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M86: Ghibli Mafia - Game over.
« on: August 31, 2016, 11:12:07 am »

Welcome to M86: Ghibli Mafia by ashersky.

This game will use asher9++, a setup for 12 players, and is classified as normal.  It was designed by ashersky as a semi-open setup.

Co-mod:

Sign ups are open.


1. Witherweaver
2. LaLight
3. silverspawn - killed night one.  Princess Kaguya, Mason
4. gkrieg13
5. faust - killed night three.  Totoro, Mason
6. Roadrunner7671 - lynched day two.  Master Yupa, 1-Shot Cop
7. Joseph2302
8. SpaceAnemone - lynched day three.  Kodama, Vanilla Townie
9. J Reggie
10. schadd
11. iguanaiguana
12. mail-mi - lynched day one.  Kodama, Vanilla Townie

Game State Tracker:
Day 1: Start || End
Day 2: Start || End
Day 3: Start || End
Day 4: Start || End



The Rules:

The Golden Rule:
This is a game. Everyone who signs up to play must be considerate of each other, never get personal, and focus on having fun. Once the game starts, having signed up is a commitment: inactivity is just as inconsiderate as rude comments.


The Standard Rules:
1. No communication between players outside of the game thread or shared QTs at any time. This includes passing references, jokes, or cases in other games or threads, whether in context or not.
2. If the game thread is locked, do not post. If you are unsure if something is locked, ask the mod by PM.
3. Direct or verbatim quoting of mod-provided information is strictly forbidden. Paraphrasing is okay.
4. Actions with instructions that do not specify a game state will be resolved in the order they are received.
5. All night actions must be submitted within 24 hours of day ending.
6. Players must post once every 24 hours.
7. Do not edit or delete posts, ever. If you need to clarify or correct something, post again.
8. Invisible text, font size less than 10, and spoiler tags are not allowed.
9. Cryptography is not allowed.
10. The time between a lynch being reached and a flip being provided is called twilight. All players may continue posting during this time, including the lynched player.
11. Dead players may not post in thread or QT, except their Role QT. A lynched player is not "dead" until a flip has been provided.
12. Personal multimedia, such as video or audio recordings, are not allowed in the game thread.

The Voting Rules:
1. Votes should be in this format: Vote: Playername. Unambigiuous nicknames are acceptable.
2. Unvotes should be in this format: unvote or Unvote: Playername.
3. Unvotes are not required if changing your vote from one player to another.
4. You may vote: no lynch.
5. Lynches occur when a simple majority (rounded up) of living players is reached. Once reached, a lynch cannot be undone.
6. Lynch rules vary by the number of players alive.  With 10 or more players alive, the player with the most votes at the end of the day will be lynched.  Ties are broken by coin flip.  With nine or less players alive, if a majority lynch is not reached by the deadline, no lynch occurs.

The Rest:
1. Bold, maroon text is reserved for the Mod. Players may not use it.
2. If you have an issue or problem with the game, please PM the Mod. Do not post complaints in the game thread.
3. Mods make mistakes - please point them out gently. If they can be corrected, they will. If irreversible, they will stand as final to be commiserated over after the game.
4. If a mod error disadvantages one faction greatly, the game may be called off.
5. Ask all questions and make all requests directly to the Mod via PM. Questions deemed as "universal" (defined as questions for which the answers should be available to all players) will be requested to be re-posted in the Game Thread and answered there.
6. One prod will be issued after 48 hours without posting in the game thread. Players are subject to replacement or modkill after one prod.
7. All rule violations will be dealt with according to their severity, as determined by the mod.

Deadlines:
1. Days will last ten IRL days.
2. Nights will last two IRL days.
« Last Edit: October 22, 2016, 05:21:53 am by ashersky »
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - sign ups open
« Reply #1 on: August 31, 2016, 11:12:19 am »

Setup Information:

This game will use asher9++, a standard normal setup on f.ds.  A link to the setup is provided in the second line of the OP.

Flavor Information:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Studio_Ghibli

All flavor, including flavor names, will come from the films of Studio Ghibli.  Knowledge of these films are not required to play the game, but may enhance your enjoyment.  Also, if you don't know Ghibli, go buy some movies now.

All vanilla townies will have the same flavor name (Kodama, from Princess Mononoke).
All power roles and non-town will have distinct flavor names.
Flavor names will be indicative of alignment.
Non-town players will be provided with safe claims.
« Last Edit: September 08, 2016, 01:20:15 am by ashersky »
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - sign ups open
« Reply #2 on: August 31, 2016, 11:14:36 am »

/in because of flavor
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - sign ups open
« Reply #3 on: August 31, 2016, 11:15:31 am »

/in

I got to love Mafia
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - sign ups open
« Reply #4 on: August 31, 2016, 11:30:13 am »



/in!

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - sign ups open
« Reply #5 on: August 31, 2016, 12:13:52 pm »

/in as always for ash games
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - sign ups open
« Reply #6 on: August 31, 2016, 12:40:30 pm »

woahkay then.

I'll sign up later when it's more dramatic.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - sign ups open
« Reply #7 on: August 31, 2016, 12:53:31 pm »

/in
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - sign ups open
« Reply #8 on: August 31, 2016, 02:47:54 pm »

/in
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - sign ups open
« Reply #9 on: August 31, 2016, 03:59:41 pm »

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - sign ups open
« Reply #10 on: September 01, 2016, 11:24:08 am »

/tag
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - sign ups open
« Reply #11 on: September 01, 2016, 11:43:07 am »

This is very tempting but I could end up playing 3 games at once while modding another.  So I'm gonna wait for a bit.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - sign ups open
« Reply #12 on: September 02, 2016, 12:39:05 pm »

/tag.  In if I die early in Rewind.
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« Reply #13 on: September 02, 2016, 12:44:38 pm »

/tag.  In if I die early in Rewind.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - sign ups open
« Reply #14 on: September 02, 2016, 03:18:30 pm »

/tag.  In if I die early in Rewind.

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« Reply #15 on: September 02, 2016, 07:46:50 pm »

/in



/out

I just dipped my toe in the water this time!
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« Reply #16 on: September 02, 2016, 08:20:53 pm »

/in :-)
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - sign ups open
« Reply #17 on: September 02, 2016, 10:02:56 pm »

/in I'm a fan of this setup, although the whole probability thing (that was brought up in other games) is a little weird and over my head.

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« Reply #18 on: September 05, 2016, 09:53:17 pm »

/in
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« Reply #19 on: September 05, 2016, 11:00:26 pm »

/in

L-1!
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« Reply #20 on: September 06, 2016, 12:30:17 am »

oh, fine, olympics is almost over.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Full! PMs soon.
« Reply #21 on: September 06, 2016, 03:49:32 am »

PMs are out, confirm by reply PM.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Full! PMs out, N0.
« Reply #22 on: September 06, 2016, 06:50:53 pm »

Game starts in the morning.  (My morning.)
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Full! PMs out, N0.
« Reply #23 on: September 07, 2016, 02:18:09 am »

A brilliant flash of light.  A loud POP.  In a clearing in the woods stand 13...people?

"You may wonder why you are here.  How you are here.  I assure you, I did not rend the fabric of magic and space for no reason.

"They have been taken.  Miyazaki and Takahata, gone.  You must find them."

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"12 of you?  But, that's impossible!  I only summoned nine!"
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« Reply #24 on: September 07, 2016, 02:18:33 am »

Day 1 begins now!
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #25 on: September 07, 2016, 02:22:24 am »

Vote Count 1.0:

Not Voting (12): Witherweaver, LaLight, gkrieg13, faust, Roadrunner7671, silverspawn, Joseph2302, SpaceAnemone, J Reggie, schadd, iguanaiguana, mail-mi

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

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« Reply #26 on: September 07, 2016, 03:00:07 am »

vote: shadd

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« Reply #27 on: September 07, 2016, 03:10:40 am »

Hi again to everyone!
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« Reply #28 on: September 07, 2016, 03:27:24 am »

Good morning all!
Vote: iguana
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« Reply #29 on: September 07, 2016, 04:47:13 am »

Vote Count 1.1:

schadd (1): silverspawn
iguanaiguana (1): SpaceAnemone

Not Voting (10): Witherweaver, LaLight, gkrieg13, faust, Roadrunner7671, Joseph2302, J Reggie, schadd, iguanaiguana, mail-mi

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« Reply #30 on: September 07, 2016, 06:12:41 am »

Vote: Schadd

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« Reply #31 on: September 07, 2016, 06:17:12 am »

Vote: iguana

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #32 on: September 07, 2016, 06:17:43 am »

Also wrting schadd with a capital letter is a criminal offense.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #33 on: September 07, 2016, 06:32:35 am »

Also wrting schadd with a capital letter is a criminal offense.

Silver wrote schadd without "c" also!
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« Reply #34 on: September 07, 2016, 06:45:08 am »

What's a c?
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« Reply #35 on: September 07, 2016, 06:49:49 am »

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #36 on: September 07, 2016, 06:50:08 am »

Vote: RR - obvious scum

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« Reply #37 on: September 07, 2016, 07:00:16 am »

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #38 on: September 07, 2016, 07:18:02 am »

Also wrting schadd with a capital letter is a criminal offense.

Silver wrote schadd without "c" also!

That's only a misdemeanor.
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« Reply #39 on: September 07, 2016, 09:00:19 am »

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #40 on: September 07, 2016, 09:03:52 am »

will the moderator take these votes? what counts for mistakes and what not?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #41 on: September 07, 2016, 09:27:47 am »

will the moderator take these votes? what counts for mistakes and what not?
Depends on the mod.
Usually minor spelling mistakes are accepted.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #42 on: September 07, 2016, 09:28:47 am »

However you must always put a space after the word vote.
So, Vote:LaLight won't count.
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« Reply #43 on: September 07, 2016, 09:29:35 am »

Also Request: Vote Count to see how much of this nonsense has been accepted.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #44 on: September 07, 2016, 09:34:44 am »

Also Request: Vote Count to see how much of this nonsense has been accepted.

Thank you!

It's 4 in the worst case
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« Reply #45 on: September 07, 2016, 09:38:00 am »

vote:ss I'm super excited for this group of players!

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #46 on: September 07, 2016, 09:38:56 am »

Oops that wasn't even on purpose (the no space thing). In that case, vote: space

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« Reply #47 on: September 07, 2016, 09:50:53 am »

i mean i saw it coming but, christ, you guys

vote:faust is what i thought we were supposed to do
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #48 on: September 07, 2016, 09:51:35 am »

vote: WW vote: JReggie. it was clearly on purpose.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #49 on: September 07, 2016, 10:03:51 am »

Vote Count 1.2:

schadd (4): silverspawn, iguanaiguana, Roadrunner7671, mail-mi
iguanaiguana (2): SpaceAnemone, faust
Roadrunner7671 (1): Joseph2302
SpaceAnemone (1): J Reggie
J Reggie (1): gkrieg13

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #50 on: September 07, 2016, 10:13:12 am »

i mean i saw it coming but, christ, you guys

vote:faust is what i thought we were supposed to do
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #51 on: September 07, 2016, 10:18:34 am »

You're all in trouble now.
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« Reply #52 on: September 07, 2016, 10:19:53 am »

Vote: Gkrieg
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« Reply #54 on: September 07, 2016, 10:22:42 am »

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #57 on: September 07, 2016, 10:30:40 am »

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« Reply #58 on: September 07, 2016, 10:32:27 am »

hmmm.

vote: J Reggie
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« Reply #59 on: September 07, 2016, 10:36:34 am »

hmmm.

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« Reply #62 on: September 07, 2016, 10:39:28 am »

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« Reply #64 on: September 07, 2016, 11:09:13 am »

So this is my chance to be a towny townie for once. I'll try not to do anything dumb, guys.

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« Reply #65 on: September 07, 2016, 11:13:07 am »

So this is my chance to be a towny townie for once. I'll try not to do anything dumb, guys.

Cool.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #66 on: September 07, 2016, 11:27:02 am »

Uh so I was kind of hoping to actually draw mason this game.  But that would probably result in an auto loss for us.
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« Reply #67 on: September 07, 2016, 11:31:12 am »

Uh so I was kind of hoping to actually draw mason this game.  But that would probably result in an auto loss for us.

Why?
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« Reply #68 on: September 07, 2016, 11:32:25 am »

Uh so I was kind of hoping to actually draw mason this game.  But that would probably result in an auto loss for us.

Surely you have a cutie with ash though...

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« Reply #69 on: September 07, 2016, 11:35:47 am »

Uh so I was kind of hoping to actually draw mason this game.  But that would probably result in an auto loss for us.

Surely you have a cutie with ash though...

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« Reply #70 on: September 07, 2016, 11:37:45 am »

Uh so I was kind of hoping to actually draw mason this game.  But that would probably result in an auto loss for us.

Surely you have a cutie with ash though...

That's true.  Ash and I have daychat :)

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #71 on: September 07, 2016, 11:43:04 am »

So this is my chance to be a towny townie for once. I'll try not to do anything dumb, guys.

Me too! But possibly with less success :-P
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #72 on: September 07, 2016, 11:44:13 am »

So this is my chance to be a towny townie for once. I'll try not to do anything dumb, guys.

Me too! But possibly with less success :-P

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #73 on: September 07, 2016, 11:51:35 am »

i mean i saw it coming but, christ, you guys

vote:faust is what i thought we were supposed to do
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« Reply #74 on: September 07, 2016, 11:52:57 am »

i mean i saw it coming but, christ, you guys

vote:faust is what i thought we were supposed to do

Vote: Faust is what we are supposed to do. You need a space in there.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #75 on: September 07, 2016, 11:57:28 am »

i mean i saw it coming but, christ, you guys

vote:faust is what i thought we were supposed to do

Vote: Faust is what we are supposed to do. You need a space in there.

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« Reply #76 on: September 07, 2016, 11:57:43 am »

i mean i saw it coming but, christ, you guys

vote:faust is what i thought we were supposed to do

Vote: Faust is what we are supposed to do. You need a space in there.

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« Reply #77 on: September 07, 2016, 12:08:25 pm »

i mean i saw it coming but, christ, you guys

vote:faust is what i thought we were supposed to do

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« Reply #78 on: September 07, 2016, 12:15:42 pm »

So this is my chance to be a towny townie for once. I'll try not to do anything dumb, guys.

Me too! But possibly with less success :-P

Oh, you haven't played with me before I guess.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #79 on: September 07, 2016, 12:22:43 pm »

F.ds mafia: the musical

At the very least, someone could filk Going Through the Motions from Once More With Feeling, no? :-) Ooh, that one for the scums, and then Brand New Day from Dr. Horrible for the rest of us threatening to lynch the scums!

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #80 on: September 07, 2016, 12:24:31 pm »

Vote: Gkrieg

Finally getting back at me for all those times I voted you huh
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #81 on: September 07, 2016, 12:26:30 pm »

F.ds mafia: the musical

At the very least, someone could filk Going Through the Motions from Once More With Feeling, no? :-) Ooh, that one for the scums, and then Brand New Day from Dr. Horrible for the rest of us threatening to lynch the scums!

Please tell me there are some of my kind of geeks in here who actually feel where I'm going with these...

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #82 on: September 07, 2016, 12:26:44 pm »

Vote: Gkrieg

Finally getting back at me for all those times I voted you huh

Actually, that was exactly it.  Kind of like cumulative OMGUS.
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« Reply #83 on: September 07, 2016, 12:29:47 pm »

Vote: Gkrieg

Finally getting back at me for all those times I voted you huh

Actually, that was exactly it.  Kind of like cumulative OMGUS.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #84 on: September 07, 2016, 02:14:51 pm »

I kinda don't like WW's play here. Too mysterious and strange. vote: WW
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« Reply #85 on: September 07, 2016, 02:16:53 pm »

I kinda don't like WW's play here. Too mysterious and strange. vote: WW

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« Reply #86 on: September 07, 2016, 03:16:51 pm »

seriously, WW, can you please explain your play? I just can't understand it
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« Reply #87 on: September 07, 2016, 03:22:06 pm »

seriously, WW, can you please explain your play? I just can't understand it

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #88 on: September 07, 2016, 03:25:31 pm »

seriously, WW, can you please explain your play? I just can't understand it

So you understand everyone else's play?

no, but yours is loudest and most not-understandable, because you vote for people all the time with at my glance no reason and say things like "we all in trouble". It's like you're insane townie or maybe SK (I'd expect from then smth like this) or the scum behaving like insane townie. Or you have a purpose, but I think I'm too inexperienced to get it
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #89 on: September 07, 2016, 03:26:27 pm »

seriously, WW, can you please explain your play? I just can't understand it

So you understand everyone else's play?

no, but yours is loudest and most not-understandable, because you vote for people all the time with at my glance no reason and say things like "we all in trouble". It's like you're insane townie or maybe SK (I'd expect from then smth like this) or the scum behaving like insane townie. Or you have a purpose, but I think I'm too inexperienced to get it

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #90 on: September 07, 2016, 03:29:34 pm »

And I've only voted twice.  The Gkrieg vote was RVS, and there was even discussion on that.  For the JReggie vote I even quoted the post that made me want to vote him.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #91 on: September 07, 2016, 03:31:44 pm »

vote: WW

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #92 on: September 07, 2016, 03:32:11 pm »

seriously, WW, can you please explain your play? I just can't understand it

So you understand everyone else's play?

no, but yours is loudest and most not-understandable, because you vote for people all the time with at my glance no reason and say things like "we all in trouble". It's like you're insane townie or maybe SK (I'd expect from then smth like this) or the scum behaving like insane townie. Or you have a purpose, but I think I'm too inexperienced to get it

Why do you think an SK would want to behave like that?

because only SK is trouble for everyone IMO and he just cries "I'm an SK and everyone is in trouble" so people wouldn't think on him (because it's poorly fabricated SK slip). btw I found out that there's no SK in setting so you are probably really insane townie. I'll unvote but continue suspecting you a little.
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« Reply #93 on: September 07, 2016, 03:37:43 pm »

vote: LaLight

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #94 on: September 07, 2016, 03:40:17 pm »

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #95 on: September 07, 2016, 03:49:55 pm »

I'll unvote but continue suspecting you a little.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #96 on: September 07, 2016, 03:52:43 pm »

That's a good idea!

Vote: LaLight
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #97 on: September 07, 2016, 03:58:56 pm »

well, I just thought he was an SK. I don't think scum would behave like this but I know about WW two things:
1) He's good in mafia afaik
2) He does things I don't understand somehow.

So he can be a scum. But my intuition tells me it's his normal behavior. that's why i unvoted.
Tell me what did i do wrong?
Don't lynch me guys.

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« Reply #98 on: September 07, 2016, 04:10:34 pm »

LaLight seems just like town LaLight from the last game.
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« Reply #99 on: September 07, 2016, 04:13:43 pm »

Yeah, what iguana said.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #100 on: September 07, 2016, 04:14:33 pm »

LaLight seems just like town LaLight from the last game.

White knighting already, huh!
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #101 on: September 07, 2016, 04:24:07 pm »

Guys LaLight is a cool guy. And he seems easy to read honestly. Like a less crazy Seprix. So let's not lynch him!
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« Reply #102 on: September 07, 2016, 04:36:29 pm »

LaLight seems just like town LaLight from the last game.

White knighting already, huh!

I'm just a town with some mildly funny flavor text actually.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #103 on: September 07, 2016, 05:45:31 pm »

everyone is giving me ok vibes but i don't like that mail-mi was the 4th person to vote for me (though that might have just been an Out Of Character Joke) and then said a bunch mercurial stuff


so, uh, vote: mail-mi


also, how bad is it to say things like i also want to not be voting faust because we are scumfriends that were roommates in mafia school and also mail-mi told me to vote for him in our mason thing? asking for a friend
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« Reply #104 on: September 07, 2016, 05:46:58 pm »

everyone is giving me ok vibes but i don't like that mail-mi was the 4th person to vote for me (though that might have just been an Out Of Character Joke) and then said a bunch mercurial stuff


so, uh, vote: mail-mi


also, how bad is it to say things like i also want to not be voting faust because we are scumfriends that were roommates in mafia school and also mail-mi told me to vote for him in our mason thing? asking for a friend

Not bad at all.
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« Reply #105 on: September 07, 2016, 05:55:33 pm »

also, i should clarify, when i said "everyone is giving me ok vibes" i meant "i don't know what i'm supposed to interpret as scum or townie and also nobody tell me"
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #106 on: September 07, 2016, 05:57:58 pm »

Wow where is all this LaLight love coming from all of the sudden?
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« Reply #107 on: September 07, 2016, 06:00:35 pm »

also, i should clarify, when i said "everyone is giving me ok vibes" i meant "i don't know what i'm supposed to interpret as scum or townie and also nobody tell me"
Yeah that's not how it works. We all go to random.org and put everyone's name is. The first four names are scum reads. Then, you find evidence to back those scum reads and share them with the class
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #108 on: September 07, 2016, 06:03:22 pm »

also, i should clarify, when i said "everyone is giving me ok vibes" i meant "i don't know what i'm supposed to interpret as scum or townie and also nobody tell me"

Just vote Faust.
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« Reply #109 on: September 07, 2016, 06:05:12 pm »

also, i should clarify, when i said "everyone is giving me ok vibes" i meant "i don't know what i'm supposed to interpret as scum or townie and also nobody tell me"

Just vote Faust.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #110 on: September 07, 2016, 06:07:49 pm »

Wow where is all this LaLight love coming from all of the sudden?

I'm pretty surprised and glad too =)
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #111 on: September 07, 2016, 06:08:02 pm »

Thank you all guys!
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« Reply #112 on: September 07, 2016, 06:08:37 pm »

also, i should clarify, when i said "everyone is giving me ok vibes" i meant "i don't know what i'm supposed to interpret as scum or townie and also nobody tell me"
Yeah that's not how it works. We all go to random.org and put everyone's name is. The first four names are scum reads. Then, you find evidence to back those scum reads and share them with the class
you kinda just solved high school. have fun
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #113 on: September 07, 2016, 06:08:57 pm »

Wow where is all this LaLight love coming from all of the sudden?

I'm pretty surprised and glad too =)
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #114 on: September 07, 2016, 06:32:53 pm »

F.ds mafia: the musical

At the very least, someone could filk Going Through the Motions from Once More With Feeling, no? :-) Ooh, that one for the scums, and then Brand New Day from Dr. Horrible for the rest of us threatening to lynch the scums!

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #115 on: September 07, 2016, 06:35:19 pm »

F.ds mafia: the musical

At the very least, someone could filk Going Through the Motions from Once More With Feeling, no? :-) Ooh, that one for the scums, and then Brand New Day from Dr. Horrible for the rest of us threatening to lynch the scums!

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #116 on: September 07, 2016, 07:07:44 pm »

F.ds mafia: the musical

At the very least, someone could filk Going Through the Motions from Once More With Feeling, no? :-) Ooh, that one for the scums, and then Brand New Day from Dr. Horrible for the rest of us threatening to lynch the scums!

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That's sad :-( Has there been a Firefly one yet?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #117 on: September 07, 2016, 09:38:41 pm »

So obviously lalight hasn't read the setup which I guess is a more town thing, but he's also SK hunting, which is a scum thing so I'd say null on the whole lalight thing. Not sure what to make of schadd.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #118 on: September 07, 2016, 09:40:26 pm »

And WW is voting me for trying to be towny as town for once, which is too bad. I'd think it'd be pro town to act like your alignment.

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« Reply #119 on: September 07, 2016, 09:41:22 pm »

Not sure what to make of schadd.
score! maybe
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« Reply #120 on: September 07, 2016, 09:43:42 pm »

Schadd is town.
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« Reply #121 on: September 07, 2016, 09:46:49 pm »

Schadd is town.
i would be inclined to agree
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« Reply #122 on: September 07, 2016, 10:34:46 pm »

Schadd is town.
Schadd is schadd. Not sure what to make of him yet.
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« Reply #123 on: September 07, 2016, 10:39:48 pm »

Hmm, this game is kind of slow to get going... I'm going to assume a mass role claim is bad for town. How about an alignment claim? No, I tried that before and it didn't really work. Flavor claim doesn't really get us anywhere. Any ideas for what we can claim guys?

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« Reply #124 on: September 07, 2016, 10:46:07 pm »

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« Reply #125 on: September 07, 2016, 10:47:26 pm »

Any ideas for what we can claim guys?
land? i claim south america. i can call you the aztecs, and the aztecs when you call me you can call me pizarro
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« Reply #126 on: September 07, 2016, 11:05:24 pm »

I'd support a flavor claim
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« Reply #127 on: September 07, 2016, 11:07:34 pm »

I'd support a flavor claim
vote: WW

All VTs have the same fake claim. It would out all our PRs.
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« Reply #128 on: September 07, 2016, 11:08:05 pm »

I'd support a flavor claim
vote: WW

All VTs have the same fake claim. It would out all our PRs.
*flavor.

Scum slip!!!
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« Reply #129 on: September 07, 2016, 11:22:31 pm »

No claiming D1! Oh muh god J Reggie you are not helping yourself!
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #130 on: September 07, 2016, 11:29:49 pm »

No claiming D1! Oh muh god J Reggie you are not helping yourself!

No, but we could claim our favorite ice cream or something.

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« Reply #131 on: September 07, 2016, 11:31:08 pm »

It just seems like the game has stopped moving forward.

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« Reply #132 on: September 07, 2016, 11:37:10 pm »

No claiming D1! Oh muh god J Reggie you are not helping yourself!

No, but we could claim our favorite ice cream or something.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #133 on: September 07, 2016, 11:45:33 pm »

i'm pretty sure my flavor is either from a movie or not from a movie
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #134 on: September 08, 2016, 01:21:53 am »

Slight update to the public information post.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #135 on: September 08, 2016, 01:42:37 am »

No claiming D1! Oh muh god J Reggie you are not helping yourself!

No, but we could claim our favorite ice cream or something.
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« Reply #136 on: September 08, 2016, 01:42:58 am »

Not sure how that helped anything...
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #137 on: September 08, 2016, 04:52:41 am »

Vote Count 1.3:

schadd (1): Roadrunner7671
iguanaiguana (1): SpaceAnemone
Roadrunner7671 (1): Joseph2302
SpaceAnemone (1): J Reggie
J Reggie (2): gkrieg13, Witherweaver
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Witherweaver (2): LaLight, mail-mi
LaLight (2): silverspawn, Faust
mail-mi (1): schadd

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With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 1 ends on September 17 at 2:20 a.m. forum time.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #138 on: September 08, 2016, 05:53:28 am »

Votw: ss as he doesn't have any votes
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #139 on: September 08, 2016, 05:53:58 am »

If personal media was allowed, I'd probably give you a 6 or 7 minute recording of me sighing.

I mis-read that as "singing" the first time through...
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #140 on: September 08, 2016, 08:41:41 am »

i decided not to attend the mafia meeting this morning so i'm not mafia
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #141 on: September 08, 2016, 09:23:40 am »

I'd support a flavor claim
vote: WW

All VTs have the same fake claim. It would out all our PRs.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #142 on: September 08, 2016, 09:26:04 am »

Vote Count 1.3:

schadd (1): Roadrunner7671
iguanaiguana (1): SpaceAnemone
Roadrunner7671 (1): Joseph2302
SpaceAnemone (1): J Reggie
J Reggie (2): gkrieg13, Witherweaver
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LaLight (2): silverspawn, Faust
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #143 on: September 08, 2016, 09:54:29 am »

Wow there are like no wagons. I mean except that we should lynch WW because his high chance of being scum
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #144 on: September 08, 2016, 10:06:31 am »

Wow there are like no wagons. I mean except that we should lynch WW because his high chance of being scum

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« Reply #145 on: September 08, 2016, 10:10:06 am »

Wow there are like no wagons. I mean except that we should lynch WW because his high chance of being scum

We should lynch whomever I'm voting for.

I disagree.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #146 on: September 08, 2016, 12:27:28 pm »

Votw: ss as he doesn't have any votes

Yeah, that's a great way to ensure we get no wagons going!

How about Vote: Joseph?
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« Reply #147 on: September 08, 2016, 12:29:44 pm »

Votw: ss as he doesn't have any votes

But Joseph didn't have any votes, so isn't this kind of hypocritical?

Yeah, that's a great way to ensure we get no wagons going!

How about Vote: Joseph?

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« Reply #148 on: September 08, 2016, 12:30:14 pm »

Votw: ss as he doesn't have any votes

But Joseph didn't have any votes, so isn't this kind of hypocritical?

Yeah, that's a great way to ensure we get no wagons going!

How about Vote: Joseph?

Quote fail, but you know what I mean.

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« Reply #149 on: September 08, 2016, 12:31:03 pm »

No it's not.
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« Reply #150 on: September 08, 2016, 12:31:08 pm »

Votw: ss as he doesn't have any votes

Yeah, that's a great way to ensure we get no wagons going!

How about Vote: Joseph?

Ya but this is classic Joseph D1 shenanigans.  If anything, it makes him town in my book
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« Reply #151 on: September 08, 2016, 12:31:43 pm »

What, we need wagons??? Never fear, Iguana is here!

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« Reply #152 on: September 08, 2016, 12:43:59 pm »

Joseph's is an easy D1 wagon for scum to start. vote: Faust

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« Reply #153 on: September 08, 2016, 12:45:20 pm »

Joseph's is an easy D1 wagon for scum to start. vote: Faust

Well yeah? If I tried starting a hard wagon, it wouldn't work and then we wouldn't have a wagon!
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« Reply #154 on: September 08, 2016, 12:52:04 pm »

Vote: Faust

Wagons!
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« Reply #155 on: September 08, 2016, 12:52:46 pm »

Joseph's is an easy D1 wagon for scum to start. vote: Faust

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« Reply #156 on: September 08, 2016, 01:02:32 pm »

Joseph's is an easy D1 wagon for scum to start. vote: Faust

Well yeah? If I tried starting a hard wagon, it wouldn't work and then we wouldn't have a wagon!

Better than the same wagon as in every game with Joseph.
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« Reply #157 on: September 08, 2016, 01:11:39 pm »

Joseph's is an easy D1 wagon for scum to start. vote: Faust

Well yeah? If I tried starting a hard wagon, it wouldn't work and then we wouldn't have a wagon!

Better than the same wagon as in every game with Joseph.
No.
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« Reply #158 on: September 08, 2016, 01:14:29 pm »

Joseph's is an easy D1 wagon for scum to start. vote: Faust

Well yeah? If I tried starting a hard wagon, it wouldn't work and then we wouldn't have a wagon!

Better than the same wagon as in every game with Joseph.
No.

So you think getting a bunch of people to vote for Joseph D1 is just a required thing? Like, you have experience. You know this happens.

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« Reply #159 on: September 08, 2016, 01:17:03 pm »

So you think getting a bunch of people to vote for Joseph D1 is just a required thing? Like, you have experience. You know this happens.

Well it's certainly better than sitting around twiddling our thumbs. And you know, Joseph can still be scum. Not voting him because he always gets votes is just as stupid as always voting for him.
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« Reply #160 on: September 08, 2016, 01:22:11 pm »

So you think getting a bunch of people to vote for Joseph D1 is just a required thing? Like, you have experience. You know this happens.

Well it's certainly better than sitting around twiddling our thumbs. And you know, Joseph can still be scum. Not voting him because he always gets votes is just as stupid as always voting for him.

I really don't understand your reasoning here. You're trying to start the easiest wagon because there's a chance it could be on scum? Why don't we just randomly lynch every day because there's a chance we could hit scum?

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« Reply #161 on: September 08, 2016, 01:22:54 pm »

So you think getting a bunch of people to vote for Joseph D1 is just a required thing? Like, you have experience. You know this happens.

Well it's certainly better than sitting around twiddling our thumbs. And you know, Joseph can still be scum. Not voting him because he always gets votes is just as stupid as always voting for him.

I really don't understand your reasoning here. You're trying to start the easiest wagon because there's a chance it could be on scum? Why don't we just randomly lynch every day because there's a chance we could hit scum?

Good plan.  My random vote came up on

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« Reply #162 on: September 08, 2016, 01:54:14 pm »

vote: J Reggie

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« Reply #163 on: September 08, 2016, 02:03:48 pm »

So you think getting a bunch of people to vote for Joseph D1 is just a required thing? Like, you have experience. You know this happens.

Well it's certainly better than sitting around twiddling our thumbs. And you know, Joseph can still be scum. Not voting him because he always gets votes is just as stupid as always voting for him.

I really don't understand your reasoning here. You're trying to start the easiest wagon because there's a chance it could be on scum? Why don't we just randomly lynch every day because there's a chance we could hit scum?
No, I'm voting for Joseph because he's scummy. Coincidentally, it is also likely that this will lead to a real wagon.
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« Reply #164 on: September 08, 2016, 02:29:26 pm »

why does there want to be wagons? what is the consensus on lynching someone right out the gates all the way
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« Reply #165 on: September 08, 2016, 03:31:39 pm »

why does there want to be wagons? what is the consensus on lynching someone right out the gates all the way

Ask iguana.

It's pretty bad usually. You want more interactions for later days.
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« Reply #166 on: September 08, 2016, 03:37:40 pm »

why does there want to be wagons? what is the consensus on lynching someone right out the gates all the way

Get someone to L-1 and I'll let you know.
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« Reply #167 on: September 08, 2016, 05:22:22 pm »

this game has been slow to start.

So time to do some stuff.
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« Reply #168 on: September 08, 2016, 05:37:10 pm »

WW, Lalight: townie.

J Reggie: slightly scummy, though he seems like the type of guy that gets scumread as town every game.

schadd seems very schadd-y. Is this his first game?

J Reggie is bad for suggesting a claim. WW is baaaaad for suggesting a flavor claim.

Joseph was RVSing too far into day 1. slightly scummy.

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I'm okay with keeping my vote on ww for now.
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« Reply #169 on: September 08, 2016, 05:39:23 pm »

WW, Lalight: townie.
[...]
I'm okay with keeping my vote on ww for now.
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« Reply #170 on: September 08, 2016, 05:41:17 pm »

WW, Lalight: townie.
[...]
I'm okay with keeping my vote on ww for now.
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« Reply #171 on: September 08, 2016, 05:42:55 pm »

WW, Lalight: townie.

I'm okay with keeping my vote on ww for now.

Can you please explain this?
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« Reply #172 on: September 08, 2016, 05:43:20 pm »

I see =)
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« Reply #173 on: September 08, 2016, 05:51:15 pm »

WW, Lalight: townie.
[...]
I'm okay with keeping my vote on ww for now.
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The first part was from impressions from the beginning of the game. it was a train of thoughts post, writing stuff as I read.

So you think that WW is scummy because he suggested a flavor claim? Why?
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« Reply #174 on: September 08, 2016, 05:52:08 pm »

WW, Lalight: townie.

J Reggie: slightly scummy, though he seems like the type of guy that gets scumread as town every game.

schadd seems very schadd-y. Is this his first game?

J Reggie is bad for suggesting a claim. WW is baaaaad for suggesting a flavor claim.

Joseph was RVSing too far into day 1. slightly scummy.

J Reggie/faust exchange seems like one of them could very well be scum. doesn't seem like town v town to me. Could even be scum v scum. Will look at more if one of them flips scum.

I'm okay with keeping my vote on ww for now.

I'm gonna do a line by line.

agree with LaLight being townie, but it scares me that he is pretty universally a town read.  Not so sure about WW.  He is pretty null to me

Yes it is his first game

I don't think suggesting claims is all that bad.  It wasn't very clear that all the VTs had the same flavor name.

Again, this is just Joseph being Joseph

What in their exchange makes you think it isn't town/town?
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« Reply #175 on: September 08, 2016, 05:52:58 pm »

WW, Lalight: townie.
[...]
I'm okay with keeping my vote on ww for now.
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The first part was from impressions from the beginning of the game. it was a train of thoughts post, writing stuff as I read.

So you think that WW is scummy because he suggested a flavor claim? Why?

Because all VTs have the same flavor name. It immediately outs all PRs.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #176 on: September 08, 2016, 05:56:46 pm »

WW, Lalight: townie.

J Reggie: slightly scummy, though he seems like the type of guy that gets scumread as town every game.

schadd seems very schadd-y. Is this his first game?

J Reggie is bad for suggesting a claim. WW is baaaaad for suggesting a flavor claim.

Joseph was RVSing too far into day 1. slightly scummy.

J Reggie/faust exchange seems like one of them could very well be scum. doesn't seem like town v town to me. Could even be scum v scum. Will look at more if one of them flips scum.

I'm okay with keeping my vote on ww for now.

I'm gonna do a line by line.

agree with LaLight being townie, but it scares me that he is pretty universally a town read.  Not so sure about WW.  He is pretty null to me

Yes it is his first game

I don't think suggesting claims is all that bad.  It wasn't very clear that all the VTs had the same flavor name.

Again, this is just Joseph being Joseph

What in their exchange makes you think it isn't town/town?

It's not all that bad, but it's still bad. Could have been town!WW or scum!WW not reading the set up, or scum!WW banking on lots of us not reading the set up. Both are about equally likely, so then it's more likely that he's scum in my mind right now.

It seems more likely that it's scum v scum than town v town. An early D1 bus that will never go anywhere except to maybe get some town credit, and faust's response seems wrong. Not sure about town v scum yet.

actually, i've just talked myself into it. JR also suggested a D1 claim. vote: J Reggie
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #177 on: September 08, 2016, 06:00:48 pm »

WW, Lalight: townie.
[...]
I'm okay with keeping my vote on ww for now.
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The first part was from impressions from the beginning of the game. it was a train of thoughts post, writing stuff as I read.

So you think that WW is scummy because he suggested a flavor claim? Why?

Because all VTs have the same flavor name. It immediately outs all PRs.
I know why it's bad, but I asked why it is scummy.
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« Reply #178 on: September 08, 2016, 06:03:56 pm »

WW, Lalight: townie.
[...]
I'm okay with keeping my vote on ww for now.
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The first part was from impressions from the beginning of the game. it was a train of thoughts post, writing stuff as I read.

So you think that WW is scummy because he suggested a flavor claim? Why?

Because all VTs have the same flavor name. It immediately outs all PRs.
I know why it's bad, but I asked why it is scummy.

explained in the post above yours.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #179 on: September 08, 2016, 06:06:47 pm »

i'm still on the boat of voting mail-mi. it seems as though his approach is to brush me off as a dope rather than address the thing that i said and i kinda fancy myself not a dope


i don't have any other stances
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #180 on: September 08, 2016, 06:09:48 pm »

In my opinion scum does not approach D1 from a "how can I make the towns out all their PRs" angle. Scum is much more focused on keeping a low profile, appearing townie and generally helpful or whatever their meta is. It's probably overdone; I do think scum generally could get away with doing more rolefishing moves. But you really have to step out of your comfort zone for that, and in my experience, that's just not happening usually.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #181 on: September 08, 2016, 06:11:46 pm »

In my opinion scum does not approach D1 from a "how can I make the towns out all their PRs" angle. Scum is much more focused on keeping a low profile, appearing townie and generally helpful or whatever their meta is. It's probably overdone; I do think scum generally could get away with doing more rolefishing moves. But you really have to step out of your comfort zone for that, and in my experience, that's just not happening usually.

Maybe this is true for most scum, but is it true of WW?
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« Reply #182 on: September 08, 2016, 06:12:35 pm »

Yes.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #183 on: September 08, 2016, 06:16:47 pm »

i'm still on the boat of voting mail-mi. it seems as though his approach is to brush me off as a dope rather than address the thing that i said and i kinda fancy myself not a dope


i don't have any other stances

uh nope not trying to brush you off as a dope.

since you'd like me to respond...

everyone is giving me ok vibes but i don't like that mail-mi was the 4th person to vote for me (though that might have just been an Out Of Character Joke) and then said a bunch mercurial stuff


so, uh, vote: mail-mi


also, how bad is it to say things like i also want to not be voting faust because we are scumfriends that were roommates in mafia school and also mail-mi told me to vote for him in our mason thing? asking for a friend

I voted for you to mess with the capitalization thing. It was RVS.

yeah because i've been busy with my other games and stuff. now i'm here tho.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #184 on: September 08, 2016, 06:28:11 pm »

schadd seems very schadd-y. Is this his first game?
Yes it is his first game

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #185 on: September 08, 2016, 06:29:14 pm »

I think town on mail-mi, he seems more reasonable than that time he was scum in Olympics. D1 claim as I remember is nonsense, I was once told this is not a good idea. I think on WW again. And I don't like that II posts little and the last was (I don't know how to quote in the middle of the sentence but I'll try):

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #186 on: September 08, 2016, 06:39:31 pm »

actually, i've just talked myself into it. JR also suggested a D1 claim. vote: J Reggie

Except I never did. I said all kinds of claims were probably bad and then suggested claiming or favorite ice cream flavors. The worst thing you can say about that is it's off topic.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #187 on: September 08, 2016, 08:39:35 pm »

I just caught up and everything went in one ear and out the other.

The fact that I have less time means I'm going to form my own opinions and probably stop voting sheeping.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #188 on: September 08, 2016, 08:40:43 pm »

WW, Lalight: townie.
[...]
I'm okay with keeping my vote on ww for now.
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The first part was from impressions from the beginning of the game. it was a train of thoughts post, writing stuff as I read.

So you think that WW is scummy because he suggested a flavor claim? Why?

Because all VTs have the same flavor name. It immediately outs all PRs.

You think that I would, as scum, realize this and think that no one else would?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #189 on: September 08, 2016, 08:42:07 pm »

Ugh. I can't believe WW is towny in my book because of that.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #190 on: September 08, 2016, 11:03:17 pm »

i'm still on the boat of voting mail-mi. it seems as though his approach is to brush me off as a dope rather than address the thing that i said and i kinda fancy myself not a dope


i don't have any other stances

uh nope not trying to brush you off as a dope.

since you'd like me to respond...

everyone is giving me ok vibes but i don't like that mail-mi was the 4th person to vote for me (though that might have just been an Out Of Character Joke) and then said a bunch mercurial stuff


so, uh, vote: mail-mi


also, how bad is it to say things like i also want to not be voting faust because we are scumfriends that were roommates in mafia school and also mail-mi told me to vote for him in our mason thing? asking for a friend

I voted for you to mess with the capitalization thing. It was RVS.

yeah because i've been busy with my other games and stuff. now i'm here tho.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #191 on: September 08, 2016, 11:34:11 pm »

WW, Lalight: townie.
[...]
I'm okay with keeping my vote on ww for now.
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The first part was from impressions from the beginning of the game. it was a train of thoughts post, writing stuff as I read.

So you think that WW is scummy because he suggested a flavor claim? Why?

Because all VTs have the same flavor name. It immediately outs all PRs.

You think that I would, as scum, realize this and think that no one else would?

I explained this in my post 176. though, now that I've had some time to think about it, you're probably right. It's a very small chance that that would happen. like 2% compared to 49% town you didn't read the set up and 49% scum you didn't read the set up. So very, very minorly scummy.

and same goes for j reggie. But he has other stuff, so I'll keep my vote on him.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #192 on: September 09, 2016, 08:21:10 pm »

WW, Lalight: townie.
[...]
I'm okay with keeping my vote on ww for now.
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The first part was from impressions from the beginning of the game. it was a train of thoughts post, writing stuff as I read.

So you think that WW is scummy because he suggested a flavor claim? Why?

Because all VTs have the same flavor name. It immediately outs all PRs.

You think that I would, as scum, realize this and think that no one else would?

I explained this in my post 176. though, now that I've had some time to think about it, you're probably right. It's a very small chance that that would happen. like 2% compared to 49% town you didn't read the set up and 49% scum you didn't read the set up. So very, very minorly scummy.

and same goes for j reggie. But he has other stuff, so I'll keep my vote on him.

What's my other stuff?

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« Reply #193 on: September 09, 2016, 08:48:56 pm »

What's my other stuff?
you know, like, your screwdriver and pet hamster and stuff
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« Reply #194 on: September 09, 2016, 09:53:42 pm »

What's my other stuff?
you know, like, your screwdriver and pet hamster and stuff

I have a screwdriver, not a pet hamster though. I don't see why that makes me scummy though.

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« Reply #195 on: September 09, 2016, 09:56:56 pm »

I'll answer that when my sister decides that the Thundermans actually is a stupid show and gets off the computer.
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« Reply #196 on: September 09, 2016, 10:07:55 pm »

I'll answer that when my sister decides that the Thundermans actually is a stupid show and gets off the computer.
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« Reply #197 on: September 09, 2016, 10:13:39 pm »

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« Reply #198 on: September 10, 2016, 12:04:20 am »

What's my other stuff?

Mostly the interaction with faust. If it's town/scum, I think you're most likely to be the scum one.

and if it's scum/scum, well then both of you are the scum ones.
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« Reply #199 on: September 10, 2016, 01:57:49 am »

Yay the forum is back.
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« Reply #200 on: September 10, 2016, 04:16:57 am »

Yay the forum is back.
Vote: fds for trying to hold up this game and inhibit discussion. Obvious scum tell.

Yeah.. I had 6 hours of being on trains yesterday, in which I could have done loads of reading and thinking, but then there was barely any data signal and no f.ds to work with :-(

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #201 on: September 10, 2016, 04:32:06 am »

What's my other stuff?

Mostly the interaction with faust. If it's town/scum, I think you're most likely to be the scum one.

and if it's scum/scum, well then both of you are the scum ones.

Man, I have been holding back, but vote: mail-mi. One does not think "oh, this is not two towns fighting" first and then uses that to deduce that someone is likely scum; it works the other wa around.
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« Reply #202 on: September 10, 2016, 05:51:10 am »

oui, j'approuve, vote: mail-mi

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« Reply #203 on: September 10, 2016, 05:56:03 am »

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« Reply #204 on: September 10, 2016, 06:27:09 am »

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #205 on: September 10, 2016, 08:51:21 am »

Vote Count 1.4:

schadd (1): Roadrunner7671
iguanaiguana (1): SpaceAnemone
SS (1): Joseph2302
J Reggie (3): gkrieg13, Witherweaver, mail-mi
faust (1): J Reggie
Witherweaver (1): LaLight
mail-mi (4): schadd, faust, silverspawn, iguanaiguana

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With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #206 on: September 10, 2016, 08:54:35 am »

Man, I really dislike the whole "one of these people has to be scum" argument. After you lynch me, you'll go for Faust, which is great if he's scum but I have a feeling he's not after seeing this from mail-mi. vote: mail-mi

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« Reply #207 on: September 10, 2016, 09:06:51 am »

I guess that's L-2

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« Reply #208 on: September 10, 2016, 09:20:46 am »

It's a wagon!
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #209 on: September 10, 2016, 09:21:59 am »

That wagon picked up awfully quickly!
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #210 on: September 10, 2016, 09:26:56 am »

That wagon picked up awfully quickly!

Care to join?

The wagon has both silver and me on it; you basically can't go wrong.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #211 on: September 10, 2016, 09:31:01 am »

That wagon picked up awfully quickly!

Care to join?

The wagon has both silver and me on it; you basically can't go wrong.
I'd rather talk to mail-mi first. Recently he has seemed scummy to me, but I realized that's because he's a good scum player but our first game together was a scum game for him, so now mail-mi always is scummy
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #212 on: September 10, 2016, 10:08:28 am »

The wagon would be more appealing if J Reggie wasn't on it.
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« Reply #213 on: September 10, 2016, 10:33:18 am »

That wagon picked up awfully quickly!

Care to join?

The wagon has both silver and me on it; you basically can't go wrong.
I'd rather talk to mail-mi first. Recently he has seemed scummy to me, but I realized that's because he's a good scum player but our first game together was a scum game for him, so now mail-mi always is scummy

@mail-mi: do you agree?

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #214 on: September 10, 2016, 10:43:40 am »

vote: mail-mi. L-1!
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« Reply #215 on: September 10, 2016, 10:44:41 am »

That wagon picked up awfully quickly!

Care to join?

The wagon has both silver and me on it; you basically can't go wrong.
I'd rather talk to mail-mi first. Recently he has seemed scummy to me, but I realized that's because he's a good scum player but our first game together was a scum game for him, so now mail-mi always is scummy

@mail-mi: do you agree?

uh no. I'm not a good player, like, at all.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #216 on: September 10, 2016, 10:45:13 am »

Or I guess will claim with intent to hammer.

guys you're wrong.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #217 on: September 10, 2016, 10:47:30 am »

That wasn't the reaction I was expected
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #218 on: September 10, 2016, 11:01:47 am »

That wasn't the reaction I was expected

What did you expect?

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #219 on: September 10, 2016, 11:14:52 am »

Well I expect d his reaction to not be as calm for one.
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« Reply #220 on: September 10, 2016, 11:52:33 am »

agreed. Intent to hammer
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #221 on: September 10, 2016, 11:54:48 am »

agreed. Intent to hammer

Why do you think he's scum?
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« Reply #222 on: September 10, 2016, 11:55:09 am »

Well I expect d his reaction to not be as calm for one.

Because?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #223 on: September 10, 2016, 11:56:55 am »

What's my other stuff?

Mostly the interaction with faust. If it's town/scum, I think you're most likely to be the scum one.

and if it's scum/scum, well then both of you are the scum ones.

Man, I have been holding back, but vote: mail-mi. One does not think "oh, this is not two towns fighting" first and then uses that to deduce that someone is likely scum; it works the other wa around.

Your "fight" seemed very faked. I am not absolutely certain that one of you is scum, but it's good enough for a day 1 vote. And I think it's the only notable thing that's happened for me? I don't really remember anything else.

Well I expect d his reaction to not be as calm for one.

It's just a game, I'm not gonna get worked up about it.
agreed. Intent to hammer

Well. I'm a VT.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #224 on: September 10, 2016, 11:59:23 am »

agreed. Intent to hammer

Hm. Tell me why you think ending the first day this early is a good idea.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #225 on: September 10, 2016, 12:01:33 pm »

Well I expect d his reaction to not be as calm for one.

Because?

Well because he is at L-1. Usually people are mad when they are put to L-1 with intent so quickly
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #226 on: September 10, 2016, 12:07:32 pm »

unvote

I actually think mail-mi is one of the easiest players to read as scum. I like wagons but honestly he is most likely scum here.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #227 on: September 10, 2016, 12:08:29 pm »

*town. He is most likely town here.

honestly I was at no point actually intending to lynch him and the way it almost went through is suspicious

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« Reply #228 on: September 10, 2016, 12:11:23 pm »

agreed. Intent to hammer

Hm. Tell me why you think ending the first day this early is a good idea.

I don't think it's a good idea, as I realised when I intent to hammer someone he speaks, so I wanted to listen to him.
IMO mail-mi tried to focus our attention on faust/jreggie interaction so we choose from these 2. I don't think their "fight" was so scummy from either of them. That's why i personally agreed with voting on him.

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« Reply #229 on: September 10, 2016, 12:35:23 pm »

agreed. Intent to hammer

Hm. Tell me why you think ending the first day this early is a good idea.

I don't think it's a good idea, as I realised when I intent to hammer someone he speaks, so I wanted to listen to him.
IMO mail-mi tried to focus our attention on faust/jreggie interaction so we choose from these 2. I don't think their "fight" was so scummy from either of them. That's why i personally agreed with voting on him.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #230 on: September 10, 2016, 02:04:55 pm »

vote: lalight

my only real thing is that i get concerned when people agree with another person's thing and don't say anything else and
agreed. Intent to hammer
strikes that chord. and he hasn't elaborated on it. i'm not sure whether it helps or hurts that he decided not to hammer someone in that situation


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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #231 on: September 10, 2016, 02:58:04 pm »

well, I see. I intended to hammer mail-mi because I wanted to listen to him and know better what alignment he is. Explanation is pretty simple. It's my second game and there's one thing I can't understand. How can we lynch someone D1. The thing is: I play many mafia IRL and we just skip lynching part on D1 because it's bad, you can't say anything for sure just from people's words you need some night actions: cop checks or doctor heals or so on. You need to know that there's someone who knows things and you try to understand who this is and try to understand who is scum pretending to be one. So when I look at D1 speculations, many and more of them are based on people waiting the scum to slip. If there isn't any they just look at someone who somehow is suspicious. For me it's strange.

Look at this case: I'm town. I have a PR. I'm scared that someone will lynch me without knowledge about me and town will lose a hint or more. I try to behave neutral because I don't want to be lynched OR killed at night by those scums. And then I just get votes for nothing.

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Thanks in advance for understanding.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #232 on: September 10, 2016, 03:02:02 pm »

...
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #233 on: September 10, 2016, 03:04:01 pm »

LaLight why would you claim PR?!?!?!?
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« Reply #234 on: September 10, 2016, 03:06:32 pm »

LaLight why would you claim PR?!?!?!?

He didn't. It was a hypothetical.
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« Reply #235 on: September 10, 2016, 03:06:55 pm »

LaLight why would you claim PR?!?!?!?

It's a case. I'm not claiming now.
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« Reply #236 on: September 10, 2016, 03:56:22 pm »

I'm not quite sure what's going on. I think I should unvote until things are clearer.

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« Reply #237 on: September 10, 2016, 04:15:34 pm »

So let me get this straight: lalight expressed intent to hammer just to see mail-mi's reaction. Mail claimed VT. A lalight wagon formed. Lalight softed PR but then backpedaled? If I understood everything right, I'm not even sure what to think. I guess scum on lalight?

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« Reply #238 on: September 10, 2016, 04:18:18 pm »

So let me get this straight: lalight expressed intent to hammer just to see mail-mi's reaction. Mail claimed VT. A lalight wagon formed. Lalight softed PR but then backpedaled? If I understood everything right, I'm not even sure what to think. I guess scum on lalight?

What does mean to soft PR? I didn't claim and so didn't backpedaled.
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« Reply #239 on: September 10, 2016, 04:19:31 pm »

So let me get this straight: lalight expressed intent to hammer just to see mail-mi's reaction. Mail claimed VT. A lalight wagon formed. Lalight softed PR but then backpedaled? If I understood everything right, I'm not even sure what to think. I guess scum on lalight?

What does mean to soft PR? I didn't claim and so didn't backpedaled.

Like, to hint that you're a PR but not say what it was.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #240 on: September 10, 2016, 04:20:21 pm »

I think LaLight looks pretty townie from that. He just looks like newb!town. Usually you leave someone at L-1 without intent to hammer though if you want to see their reaction. Mail-mis lack of reaction is scummy though
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« Reply #241 on: September 10, 2016, 04:21:03 pm »

Also, the whole playing scummy/not towny so you don't get NK'd? I learned the hard way that that doesn't work.

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« Reply #242 on: September 10, 2016, 07:02:01 pm »

Okay, so a lot happened today (typical).
Mail-mi seems kind of towny to me, but I'm not convinced LaLight is scum either.
New players do silly things (experienced players do too), but at least they didn't actually hammer the wagon.
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« Reply #243 on: September 10, 2016, 07:38:32 pm »

I think LaLight looks pretty townie from that. He just looks like newb!town. Usually you leave someone at L-1 without intent to hammer though if you want to see their reaction. Mail-mis lack of reaction is scummy though

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« Reply #244 on: September 11, 2016, 06:25:36 am »

Also, the whole playing scummy/not towny so you don't get NK'd? I learned the hard way that that doesn't work.

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« Reply #245 on: September 11, 2016, 06:53:22 am »

Okay, so a lot happened today (typical).
Mail-mi seems kind of towny to me, but I'm not convinced LaLight is scum either.
New players do silly things (experienced players do too), but at least they didn't actually hammer the wagon.

So, hey, Joseph is in this game.

When I wanted to start a wagon on Joseph, noone agreed. When I wanted to start a wagon on mail-mi, everyone jumped on. This proves that Joseph is scum.

Vote: Joseph
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« Reply #246 on: September 11, 2016, 07:45:05 am »

Okay, so a lot happened today (typical).
Mail-mi seems kind of towny to me, but I'm not convinced LaLight is scum either.
New players do silly things (experienced players do too), but at least they didn't actually hammer the wagon.

So, hey, Joseph is in this game.

When I wanted to start a wagon on Joseph, noone agreed. When I wanted to start a wagon on mail-mi, everyone jumped on. This proves that Joseph is scum.

Vote: Joseph
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Maybe all the town people jumped on the mail-mi one, and town don't want to jump on my one
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #247 on: September 11, 2016, 11:00:15 am »

Okay, so a lot happened today (typical).
Mail-mi seems kind of towny to me, but I'm not convinced LaLight is scum either.
New players do silly things (experienced players do too), but at least they didn't actually hammer the wagon.

So, hey, Joseph is in this game.

When I wanted to start a wagon on Joseph, noone agreed. When I wanted to start a wagon on mail-mi, everyone jumped on. This proves that Joseph is scum.

Vote: Joseph

Ya I don't really follow this reasoning. And coming from Faust it just seems off.
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« Reply #248 on: September 11, 2016, 11:05:32 am »

what is unclear about that reasoning?

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« Reply #249 on: September 11, 2016, 11:10:25 am »

what is unclear about that reasoning?

I guess that should say I don't agree with that reasoning. It assumes people only don't sheep Faust when he is on scum. Not like when, I don't know, he is wrong or something.
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« Reply #250 on: September 11, 2016, 11:17:42 am »

the idea is that scum won't sheep faust if he is on scum

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« Reply #251 on: September 11, 2016, 11:20:15 am »

the idea is that scum won't sheep faust if he is on scum

But that they would sheep him on literally anyone else?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #252 on: September 11, 2016, 11:27:44 am »

quite likely. I sheep faust all the time when I'm town. Probably would do it as scum.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #253 on: September 11, 2016, 11:32:03 am »

So you're saying that Joseph is scum because there was resistance to his wagon? That argument doesn't really work for me because I'm town and I resisted his wagon.

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« Reply #254 on: September 11, 2016, 11:32:32 am »

Yes and eh

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #255 on: September 11, 2016, 11:32:58 am »

I think mail mi is still my top scum read. vote: mail-mi

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #256 on: September 11, 2016, 12:20:42 pm »

Vote Count 1.5:

schadd (1): Roadrunner7671
iguanaiguana (1): SpaceAnemone
SS (1): Joseph2302
J Reggie (2): Witherweaver, mail-mi
Witherweaver (1): LaLight
mail-mi (3): iguanaiguana, gkrieg13, J Reggie
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #257 on: September 11, 2016, 01:34:17 pm »

So you're saying that Joseph is scum because there was resistance to his wagon? That argument doesn't really work for me because I'm town and I resisted his wagon.

Oh, that's good.  We might have thought you were scum had you not taken this opportunity to proclaim that you're town. 
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #258 on: September 11, 2016, 01:35:36 pm »

well, I see. I intended to hammer mail-mi because I wanted to listen to him and know better what alignment he is. Explanation is pretty simple. It's my second game and there's one thing I can't understand. How can we lynch someone D1. The thing is: I play many mafia IRL and we just skip lynching part on D1 because it's bad, you can't say anything for sure just from people's words you need some night actions: cop checks or doctor heals or so on. You need to know that there's someone who knows things and you try to understand who this is and try to understand who is scum pretending to be one. So when I look at D1 speculations, many and more of them are based on people waiting the scum to slip. If there isn't any they just look at someone who somehow is suspicious. For me it's strange.

Look at this case: I'm town. I have a PR. I'm scared that someone will lynch me without knowledge about me and town will lose a hint or more. I try to behave neutral because I don't want to be lynched OR killed at night by those scums. And then I just get votes for nothing.

Well, I don't know what you guys will think about another case: sometimes I want to lynch somebody else, because I know that with more probability he will be scum or (for the worst) VT, because PRs are limited. And then i, okay, wagon. But! I'm pretty sure I do want to know if the one who's lynched is real scum and so I intent to hammer because I just want to see his reaction, is all! I need a lot more experience than now guys to come to know who is scum D1. For now it seems impossible to me. I don't know, it's your choice, but I want to live to D2 just for understanding more of all of you. Right now I see at best slightly scummy people. WW and now mail-mi. I don't think I'll be sure on one choice for 100% D1, if there'll be no real scumslips.

Thanks in advance for understanding.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #259 on: September 11, 2016, 01:37:40 pm »

Okay, so a lot happened today (typical).
Mail-mi seems kind of towny to me, but I'm not convinced LaLight is scum either.
New players do silly things (experienced players do too), but at least they didn't actually hammer the wagon.

So, hey, Joseph is in this game.

When I wanted to start a wagon on Joseph, noone agreed. When I wanted to start a wagon on mail-mi, everyone jumped on. This proves that Joseph is scum.

Vote: Joseph

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #260 on: September 11, 2016, 03:06:05 pm »

well, I see. I intended to hammer mail-mi because I wanted to listen to him and know better what alignment he is. Explanation is pretty simple. It's my second game and there's one thing I can't understand. How can we lynch someone D1. The thing is: I play many mafia IRL and we just skip lynching part on D1 because it's bad, you can't say anything for sure just from people's words you need some night actions: cop checks or doctor heals or so on. You need to know that there's someone who knows things and you try to understand who this is and try to understand who is scum pretending to be one. So when I look at D1 speculations, many and more of them are based on people waiting the scum to slip. If there isn't any they just look at someone who somehow is suspicious. For me it's strange.

Look at this case: I'm town. I have a PR. I'm scared that someone will lynch me without knowledge about me and town will lose a hint or more. I try to behave neutral because I don't want to be lynched OR killed at night by those scums. And then I just get votes for nothing.

Well, I don't know what you guys will think about another case: sometimes I want to lynch somebody else, because I know that with more probability he will be scum or (for the worst) VT, because PRs are limited. And then i, okay, wagon. But! I'm pretty sure I do want to know if the one who's lynched is real scum and so I intent to hammer because I just want to see his reaction, is all! I need a lot more experience than now guys to come to know who is scum D1. For now it seems impossible to me. I don't know, it's your choice, but I want to live to D2 just for understanding more of all of you. Right now I see at best slightly scummy people. WW and now mail-mi. I don't think I'll be sure on one choice for 100% D1, if there'll be no real scumslips.

Thanks in advance for understanding.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #261 on: September 11, 2016, 04:50:59 pm »

Let's start a good wagon:

Vote: faust
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #262 on: September 11, 2016, 06:09:27 pm »

Let's start a good wagon:

Vote: faust
none of your stuff has sounded like good guys to me
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #263 on: September 11, 2016, 06:09:35 pm »

Let's start a good wagon:

Vote: faust
none of your stuff has sounded like good guys to me
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #264 on: September 11, 2016, 06:10:25 pm »

i tried to edit it and then i quoted it and then i posted it and then i remembered that you're not supposed to edit


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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #265 on: September 11, 2016, 07:21:27 pm »

Sorry for my slight VLA! I'm back home with a computer again now :-)

Vote: Witherweaver because my not-very-well-informed gut says so, my re-read isn't really going in any particular direction very quickly this late at night.

Also, why is RR so quiet?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #266 on: September 11, 2016, 08:47:25 pm »

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #267 on: September 11, 2016, 09:03:11 pm »

Also, why is RR so quiet?
What do you want me to say?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #268 on: September 11, 2016, 09:56:17 pm »

Also, why is RR so quiet?
What do you want me to say?

Something about your reads or what you think of the game so far out anything along those lines.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #269 on: September 11, 2016, 09:59:41 pm »

Also, why is RR so quiet?
What do you want me to say?
something that makes it clear that you are mafia so we can lynch you. and not me
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #270 on: September 11, 2016, 10:05:59 pm »

Also, why is RR so quiet?
What do you want me to say?
something that makes it clear that you are mafia so we can lynch you. and not me

This guy.  I like him.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #271 on: September 11, 2016, 10:47:25 pm »

Also, why is RR so quiet?
What do you want me to say?
something that makes it clear that you are mafia so we can lynch you. and not me

This guy.  I like him.
that's good regarding the whole lynching me concern that i expressed
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #272 on: September 11, 2016, 10:49:05 pm »

Also, why is RR so quiet?
What do you want me to say?
something that makes it clear that you are mafia so we can lynch you. and not me

This guy.  I like him.
that's good regarding the whole lynching me concern that i expressed

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #273 on: September 11, 2016, 10:57:50 pm »

This game seems like typical D1 shenanigans, except more so than usual. I've managed to distance myself from that (I think) but that comes at the cost of contributing little to no content.

When it comes to reads, I will do some sort of reads list but at this point I have null reads and towny reads. I don't read scum on anyone
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #274 on: September 12, 2016, 02:49:03 am »

Vote Count 1.6:

schadd (1): Roadrunner7671
J Reggie (2): Witherweaver, mail-mi
Witherweaver (2): LaLight, SpaceAnemone
mail-mi (3): iguanaiguana, gkrieg13, J Reggie
Joseph2302 (3): faust, schadd, silverspawn
faust (1): Joseph2302

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #275 on: September 12, 2016, 04:06:44 am »

This game seems like typical D1 shenanigans, except more so than usual. I've managed to distance myself from that (I think) but that comes at the cost of contributing little to no content.

When it comes to reads, I will do some sort of reads list but at this point I have null reads and towny reads. I don't read scum on anyone
That's still useful though.
If there's 5 people you think are town, that cuts the lynchpool down by about 50%
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #276 on: September 12, 2016, 12:45:13 pm »

Who's the scum in this one? I've been traveling so I haven't been able to keep up and looks like town is being lazy in my absence maybe.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #277 on: September 12, 2016, 12:48:43 pm »

Yeah, people really seem to have forgotten about this game. Let's get a lynch in before the deadline because I probably won't be around then.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #278 on: September 12, 2016, 12:54:54 pm »

When's the deadline?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #279 on: September 12, 2016, 12:59:40 pm »

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #280 on: September 12, 2016, 01:07:23 pm »

Who's the scum in this one? I've been traveling so I haven't been able to keep up and looks like town is being lazy in my absence maybe.

I don't know, check your QT and tell me!
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« Reply #281 on: September 12, 2016, 06:10:50 pm »

Who's the scum in this one? I've been traveling so I haven't been able to keep up and looks like town is being lazy in my absence maybe.
faust told me when we were scumfriends in mafia school that he wasn't mafia. that is the extent of my knowledge unfortunately. oh also incidentally i'm voting joseph
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« Reply #282 on: September 12, 2016, 06:16:18 pm »

Sorry this game is being put on the back burner for a couple of days.  Will do rereads in another day or so.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #283 on: September 12, 2016, 06:35:17 pm »

Who's the scum in this one? I've been traveling so I haven't been able to keep up and looks like town is being lazy in my absence maybe.
faust told me when we were scumfriends in mafia school that he wasn't mafia. that is the extent of my knowledge unfortunately. oh also incidentally i'm voting joseph
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« Reply #284 on: September 12, 2016, 06:37:56 pm »

Who's the scum in this one? I've been traveling so I haven't been able to keep up and looks like town is being lazy in my absence maybe.
faust told me when we were scumfriends in mafia school that he wasn't mafia. that is the extent of my knowledge unfortunately. oh also incidentally i'm voting joseph
Because mafia school scumfriends need to stick together!
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« Reply #285 on: September 12, 2016, 06:40:20 pm »

Who's the scum in this one? I've been traveling so I haven't been able to keep up and looks like town is being lazy in my absence maybe.
faust told me when we were scumfriends in mafia school that he wasn't mafia. that is the extent of my knowledge unfortunately. oh also incidentally i'm voting joseph
Because mafia school scumfriends need to stick together!
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« Reply #286 on: September 12, 2016, 06:41:50 pm »

I'm still voting for WW? Great. He seems too confident in this game unlike anybody else. Like he knows something we don't. I call this scummy.
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« Reply #287 on: September 12, 2016, 06:42:59 pm »

Wasn't that latter course with professor Rob Z. Ateateate? He's the best!
oh i wouldn't know i wasn't there. also, can you find a river so i can sell you down it
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« Reply #288 on: September 12, 2016, 06:43:21 pm »

I'm still voting for WW? Great. He seems too confident in this game unlike anybody else. Like he knows something we don't. I call this scummy.

hm. this may be a good point. I'll have to look at this more deeply.
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« Reply #289 on: September 12, 2016, 06:43:41 pm »

I'm still voting for WW? Great. He seems too confident in this game unlike anybody else. Like he knows something we don't. I call this scummy.
I also know something that you don't!
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« Reply #290 on: September 12, 2016, 06:43:57 pm »

I'm still voting for WW? Great. He seems too confident in this game unlike anybody else. Like he knows something we don't. I call this scummy.
that might just be a quality of his? he tends to know things, like, knowledge from books and seeing and whatever
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« Reply #291 on: September 12, 2016, 06:45:09 pm »

Wasn't that latter course with professor Rob Z. Ateateate? He's the best!
oh i wouldn't know i wasn't there. also, can you find a river so i can sell you down it

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« Reply #292 on: September 12, 2016, 06:49:31 pm »

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« Reply #293 on: September 12, 2016, 06:51:47 pm »

That quote is so funny and sad at the same time, because it really is what they've condensed Tyrion's character down to in the series.
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« Reply #294 on: September 12, 2016, 06:53:59 pm »

I should possibly talk about the game more.

LaLight, could you do me a favor and quote some of the stuff that made you think WW has additional knowledge?
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« Reply #295 on: September 12, 2016, 07:43:46 pm »

I should possibly talk about the game more.

I feel like this the sort of self-conscious segue that got me scumread elsewhere :-(

LaLight, could you do me a favor and quote some of the stuff that made you think WW has additional knowledge?

I felt like WW definitely has confidence, and a slightly sarcastic attitude at times, with things like the "So there are like six scum?" comment in #259. There's a fair bit of answering questions with questions, especially things like "So you understand everyone else's play?" (at #87)... that stuff was my reason for voting WW, at least. I don't really know what's going on in D1 anyway :-P
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« Reply #296 on: September 12, 2016, 08:35:41 pm »

If you're going to vote me because I'm sarcastic, you're gonna have a bad time.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #297 on: September 12, 2016, 10:09:53 pm »

What's going on between Faust and schadd? Is there an inside joke I don't know about or is it too scummy to be scum?

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« Reply #298 on: September 13, 2016, 01:25:50 am »

why does there want to be wagons? what is the consensus on lynching someone right out the gates all the way

Get someone to L-1 and I'll let you know.

WW can you explain this? mail-mi was on L-1 earlier
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« Reply #299 on: September 13, 2016, 01:30:49 am »

I should possibly talk about the game more.

LaLight, could you do me a favor and quote some of the stuff that made you think WW has additional knowledge?

SA pretty made the point. In this particular game I feel like WW sitting in the shadows and manipulating everyone, sometimes throwing phrases like "we're all in trouble", "do smth and I will show you smth" and all the rest are jokes and sarcasm. I don't like this feeling, it's like he's scum who is really-really sure no-one would lynch him
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #300 on: September 13, 2016, 08:51:34 am »

I should possibly talk about the game more.

LaLight, could you do me a favor and quote some of the stuff that made you think WW has additional knowledge?

SA pretty made the point. In this particular game I feel like WW sitting in the shadows and manipulating everyone, sometimes throwing phrases like "we're all in trouble", "do smth and I will show you smth" and all the rest are jokes and sarcasm. I don't like this feeling, it's like he's scum who is really-really sure no-one would lynch him

Why would I be sure no one would lynch me as scum?  It's kind of all you think about when you're scum.
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« Reply #301 on: September 13, 2016, 09:19:32 am »

I should possibly talk about the game more.

LaLight, could you do me a favor and quote some of the stuff that made you think WW has additional knowledge?

SA pretty made the point. In this particular game I feel like WW sitting in the shadows and manipulating everyone, sometimes throwing phrases like "we're all in trouble", "do smth and I will show you smth" and all the rest are jokes and sarcasm. I don't like this feeling, it's like he's scum who is really-really sure no-one would lynch him

Why would I be sure no one would lynch me as scum?  It's kind of all you think about when you're scum.

I don't know of this yet. Can you explain your "Put someone on L-1" stuff?
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« Reply #302 on: September 13, 2016, 09:40:52 am »

I should possibly talk about the game more.

LaLight, could you do me a favor and quote some of the stuff that made you think WW has additional knowledge?

SA pretty made the point. In this particular game I feel like WW sitting in the shadows and manipulating everyone, sometimes throwing phrases like "we're all in trouble", "do smth and I will show you smth" and all the rest are jokes and sarcasm. I don't like this feeling, it's like he's scum who is really-really sure no-one would lynch him

Why would I be sure no one would lynch me as scum?  It's kind of all you think about when you're scum.

I don't know of this yet. Can you explain your "Put someone on L-1" stuff?

There was a question posed on the consensus on lynching someone quickly.  I responded that I would answer that question if someone was put to L-1, the implication being that I would hammer that person, thereby quickly lynching someone and answering his question.  It would also work if I didn't hammer, because then I'd be answering the question by not choosing a quick lynch. 

I was not going to actually instahammer someone, except for those individuals who have earned such treatment from me, so it was not an honest promise. 
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« Reply #303 on: September 13, 2016, 09:56:39 am »

I should possibly talk about the game more.

LaLight, could you do me a favor and quote some of the stuff that made you think WW has additional knowledge?

SA pretty made the point. In this particular game I feel like WW sitting in the shadows and manipulating everyone, sometimes throwing phrases like "we're all in trouble", "do smth and I will show you smth" and all the rest are jokes and sarcasm. I don't like this feeling, it's like he's scum who is really-really sure no-one would lynch him

Why would I be sure no one would lynch me as scum?  It's kind of all you think about when you're scum.

I don't know of this yet. Can you explain your "Put someone on L-1" stuff?

There was a question posed on the consensus on lynching someone quickly.  I responded that I would answer that question if someone was put to L-1, the implication being that I would hammer that person, thereby quickly lynching someone and answering his question.  It would also work if I didn't hammer, because then I'd be answering the question by not choosing a quick lynch. 

I was not going to actually instahammer someone, except for those individuals who have earned such treatment from me, so it was not an honest promise.

Um.. Am I getting correctly that you just said that if someone would be on L-1 you either hammer or don't hammer them according on your reads of this person? Well, but it's obvious, why do you tell this? Oo
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« Reply #304 on: September 13, 2016, 09:59:59 am »

Wow there are like no wagons. I mean except that we should lynch WW because his high chance of being scum

We should lynch whomever I'm voting for.

And this. I don't know if it's just joke and sarcasm and your style of play, but it's strange reaction to words that you have a high chance of being scum.
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« Reply #305 on: September 13, 2016, 10:00:48 am »

I should possibly talk about the game more.

LaLight, could you do me a favor and quote some of the stuff that made you think WW has additional knowledge?

SA pretty made the point. In this particular game I feel like WW sitting in the shadows and manipulating everyone, sometimes throwing phrases like "we're all in trouble", "do smth and I will show you smth" and all the rest are jokes and sarcasm. I don't like this feeling, it's like he's scum who is really-really sure no-one would lynch him

Why would I be sure no one would lynch me as scum?  It's kind of all you think about when you're scum.

I don't know of this yet. Can you explain your "Put someone on L-1" stuff?

There was a question posed on the consensus on lynching someone quickly.  I responded that I would answer that question if someone was put to L-1, the implication being that I would hammer that person, thereby quickly lynching someone and answering his question.  It would also work if I didn't hammer, because then I'd be answering the question by not choosing a quick lynch. 

I was not going to actually instahammer someone, except for those individuals who have earned such treatment from me, so it was not an honest promise.

Um.. Am I getting correctly that you just said that if someone would be on L-1 you either hammer or don't hammer them according on your reads of this person? Well, but it's obvious, why do you tell this? Oo

Thinking about it I accidentally started to laugh. In meta-sense I really love your play =))
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« Reply #306 on: September 13, 2016, 10:27:10 am »

I should possibly talk about the game more.

LaLight, could you do me a favor and quote some of the stuff that made you think WW has additional knowledge?

SA pretty made the point. In this particular game I feel like WW sitting in the shadows and manipulating everyone, sometimes throwing phrases like "we're all in trouble", "do smth and I will show you smth" and all the rest are jokes and sarcasm. I don't like this feeling, it's like he's scum who is really-really sure no-one would lynch him

Why would I be sure no one would lynch me as scum?  It's kind of all you think about when you're scum.

I don't know of this yet. Can you explain your "Put someone on L-1" stuff?

There was a question posed on the consensus on lynching someone quickly.  I responded that I would answer that question if someone was put to L-1, the implication being that I would hammer that person, thereby quickly lynching someone and answering his question.  It would also work if I didn't hammer, because then I'd be answering the question by not choosing a quick lynch. 

I was not going to actually instahammer someone, except for those individuals who have earned such treatment from me, so it was not an honest promise.

Um.. Am I getting correctly that you just said that if someone would be on L-1 you either hammer or don't hammer them according on your reads of this person? Well, but it's obvious, why do you tell this? Oo

The above falls into the classification of 'explaining the joke'.  At the time I think I was only thinking of the 'will definitely hammer' scenario, though I realized later it worked the other way, too.

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« Reply #307 on: September 13, 2016, 10:35:51 am »

what is unclear about that reasoning?

I guess that should say I don't agree with that reasoning. It assumes people only don't sheep Faust when he is on scum. Not like when, I don't know, he is wrong or something.

Rereading what I missed now. I thought Faust's reasoning was that scum would hesitate before getting on a scum partner's wagon without much evidence but would add their numbers to the mail mi wagon if he's town.

Was that u your reasoning Faust? Maybe we should look at that wagon for scum.
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« Reply #308 on: September 13, 2016, 10:37:50 am »

Let's start a good wagon:

Vote: faust

Why?
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« Reply #309 on: September 13, 2016, 10:40:42 am »

Sorry for my slight VLA! I'm back home with a computer again now :-)

Vote: Witherweaver because my not-very-well-informed gut says so, my re-read isn't really going in any particular direction very quickly this late at night.

Also, why is RR so quiet?

Any chance we can hear from your overanalyzing version of your D1 self like we saw in your first game on this site? I like him better than this gut reading one for reasons.
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« Reply #310 on: September 13, 2016, 10:41:32 am »

Dear goodness gracious Them and I'm sorry.
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« Reply #311 on: September 13, 2016, 10:42:04 am »

what is unclear about that reasoning?

I guess that should say I don't agree with that reasoning. It assumes people only don't sheep Faust when he is on scum. Not like when, I don't know, he is wrong or something.

Rereading what I missed now. I thought Faust's reasoning was that scum would hesitate before getting on a scum partner's wagon without much evidence but would add their numbers to the mail mi wagon if he's town.

Was that u your reasoning Faust? Maybe we should look at that wagon for scum.
Yes; that was the argument. But I don't think it's a very good idea to look at that wagon before we know Joseph's alignment, because the argument pretty much falls apart if he's not scum.

Unrelated, I think WW and LL are both townie for their exchange.
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« Reply #312 on: September 13, 2016, 10:43:43 am »

Who's the scum in this one? I've been traveling so I haven't been able to keep up and looks like town is being lazy in my absence maybe.

I don't know, check your QT and tell me!

It has town and a good funny joke in it. No scums here sadly.
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« Reply #313 on: September 13, 2016, 10:45:20 am »

Btw, i'm sorry for a little offtop, but i really like the fact that our nicknames are two-similar-letter abbreviations. WW, LL, RR, II :))

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« Reply #314 on: September 13, 2016, 10:46:01 am »

Who's the scum in this one? I've been traveling so I haven't been able to keep up and looks like town is being lazy in my absence maybe.
faust told me when we were scumfriends in mafia school that he wasn't mafia. that is the extent of my knowledge unfortunately. oh also incidentally i'm voting joseph

Do you know about how Joseph gets, like, always lynched, except when he's scum of course, and has never said a towny thing in his life. This meta makes me highly suspicious of sleeping your silliness.
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« Reply #315 on: September 13, 2016, 10:52:48 am »

I should possibly talk about the game more.

I feel like this the sort of self-conscious segue that got me scumread elsewhere :-(

LaLight, could you do me a favor and quote some of the stuff that made you think WW has additional knowledge?

I felt like WW definitely has confidence, and a slightly sarcastic attitude at times, with things like the "So there are like six scum?" comment in #259. There's a fair bit of answering questions with questions, especially things like "So you understand everyone else's play?" (at #87)... that stuff was my reason for voting WW, at least. I don't really know what's going on in D1 anyway :-P

It is his way. I call it his 'playstyle' and therefore dub it a 'null tell.'

In all seriousness, WW keeps his cards close to his chest. I've never seen him caught as scum except through night actions or partner interaction analysis late in the game. He also has a really good LyLo record. Newbies have been warned: he's no one to trifle with.
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« Reply #316 on: September 13, 2016, 10:57:37 am »

Done reading now. Please interact folks, we need to get moving again or we won't have anything to go off of later on.

I slightly suspect LaLight, Faust and Space based on what appears to be a slightly higher than usual amount of fluff in their posts.

I'm going for the one for whom it feels best to vote.

Vote: Faust
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« Reply #317 on: September 13, 2016, 11:00:55 am »

Done reading now. Please interact folks, we need to get moving again or we won't have anything to go off of later on.

I slightly suspect LaLight, Faust and Space based on what appears to be a slightly higher than usual amount of fluff in their posts.

I'm going for the one for whom it feels best to vote.

Vote: Faust

I can see the fluff argument applying to lalight, not so much the other two. I'm also starting to wonder if schadd is scum. I have no idea what his meta will be like, but I feel like there's a lot of fluff in his posts as well so to speak.

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« Reply #318 on: September 13, 2016, 11:01:36 am »

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« Reply #319 on: September 13, 2016, 11:02:59 am »

Guys, for non-native please. What is fluff?
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« Reply #320 on: September 13, 2016, 11:04:45 am »

Guys, for non-native please. What is fluff?

Just, like, adding extra unnecessary stuff to make your posts longer, or have more posts.

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« Reply #321 on: September 13, 2016, 11:04:48 am »

Done reading now. Please interact folks, we need to get moving again or we won't have anything to go off of later on.

I slightly suspect LaLight, Faust and Space based on what appears to be a slightly higher than usual amount of fluff in their posts.

I'm going for the one for whom it feels best to vote.

Vote: Faust

I can see the fluff argument applying to lalight, not so much the other two. I'm also starting to wonder if schadd is scum. I have no idea what his meta will be like, but I feel like there's a lot of fluff in his posts as well so to speak.

If you want his meta, the best you can do is read Schadnd. I read it as foolhardy town for now. (I'm giving him a D1 pass, I guess.)
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« Reply #322 on: September 13, 2016, 11:05:09 am »

Who's the scum in this one? I've been traveling so I haven't been able to keep up and looks like town is being lazy in my absence maybe.

I don't know, check your QT and tell me!

It has town and a good funny joke in it. No scums here sadly.

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« Reply #323 on: September 13, 2016, 11:07:29 am »

Who's the scum in this one? I've been traveling so I haven't been able to keep up and looks like town is being lazy in my absence maybe.

I don't know, check your QT and tell me!

It has town and a good funny joke in it. No scums here sadly.

Vote: Faust
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I was saying my QT says that I'm town, obviously I know nothing about yours. Both of your responses to me are great examples of your fluff posts this game, though!
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« Reply #324 on: September 13, 2016, 11:08:42 am »

Actually, I don't think fluffy Faust is generally scummy Faust.  More the opposite.
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« Reply #325 on: September 13, 2016, 11:09:40 am »

Actually, I don't think fluffy Faust is generally scummy Faust.  More the opposite.

I was about to bring up Simply Simpler as a counter example and then I was like, oh, wait.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #326 on: September 13, 2016, 11:20:04 am »

Who's the scum in this one? I've been traveling so I haven't been able to keep up and looks like town is being lazy in my absence maybe.

I don't know, check your QT and tell me!

It has town and a good funny joke in it. No scums here sadly.

Vote: Faust
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I was saying my QT says that I'm town, obviously I know nothing about yours. Both of your responses to me are great examples of your fluff posts this game, though!
I thought you were talking about my post there!
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« Reply #327 on: September 13, 2016, 11:22:14 am »

Who's the scum in this one? I've been traveling so I haven't been able to keep up and looks like town is being lazy in my absence maybe.
faust told me when we were scumfriends in mafia school that he wasn't mafia. that is the extent of my knowledge unfortunately. oh also incidentally i'm voting joseph

Do you know about how Joseph gets, like, always lynched, except when he's scum of course, and has never said a towny thing in his life. This meta makes me highly suspicious of sleeping your silliness.
I have a memory of a game in which I strongly townread Joseph, and correctly so. I don't really think Joseph is always scummy.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #328 on: September 13, 2016, 11:27:56 am »

Vote Count 1.7:

schadd (1): Roadrunner7671
J Reggie (2): Witherweaver, mail-mi
Witherweaver (2): LaLight, SpaceAnemone
mail-mi (1): J Reggie
Joseph2302 (3): faust, schadd, silverspawn
faust (3): Joseph2302, iguanaiguana, gkrieg13

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« Reply #329 on: September 13, 2016, 11:46:43 am »

Hm. I could potentially vote Faust.
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« Reply #330 on: September 13, 2016, 11:53:41 am »

Hm. I could potentially vote Faust.
But can you actually?
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« Reply #331 on: September 13, 2016, 11:57:43 am »

Dear goodness gracious Them and I'm sorry.

Thanks for catching it at least :-)

For the couple of people in here I don't already know: SA uses singular they as a pronoun.

Just to get that stated in a nice non-ambiguous way while it's still D1.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #332 on: September 13, 2016, 12:01:05 pm »

Sorry for my slight VLA! I'm back home with a computer again now :-)

Vote: Witherweaver because my not-very-well-informed gut says so, my re-read isn't really going in any particular direction very quickly this late at night.

Also, why is RR so quiet?

Any chance we can hear from your overanalyzing version of your D1 self like we saw in your first game on this site? I like him better than this gut reading one for reasons.

The overanalyzing version of me was a super-keen newbie who was not also involved in another game, but then Haddock's one started too, and then this one started before that was over. And I really don't have time/brainpower for multiples at once, but I haven't got a good feel for how quickly the games fill and start, and how long they run for when I don't just die N1...

Also, was I not scumreading you quite heavily at the point I died? :-P
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #333 on: September 13, 2016, 12:04:00 pm »

For the couple of people in here I don't already know: SA uses singular they as a pronoun.
They also refer to themselves in the third person.
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« Reply #334 on: September 13, 2016, 12:05:09 pm »

Oh, and I don't like the abbreviation SA any more than I like SS. You will be Space-A for me.
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« Reply #335 on: September 13, 2016, 12:13:07 pm »

you don't like ss?  :'(

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« Reply #336 on: September 13, 2016, 12:13:49 pm »

so the wagon on faust is ... ?

He's a good player. he could be scum. But I see literally no reason to think so.

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« Reply #337 on: September 13, 2016, 12:14:35 pm »

also did you forget that faust always dies night 1?

Let's let him live for today, and if he's still there tomorrow we can have a conversation.

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« Reply #338 on: September 13, 2016, 12:15:39 pm »

Well there was the Joseph thing, but I'm not sure that was scummy rather than just unproductive.

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« Reply #339 on: September 13, 2016, 12:19:04 pm »

you don't like ss?  :'(
Well, both have too strong Nazi connotations to be really enjoyable.
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« Reply #340 on: September 13, 2016, 12:19:23 pm »

Oh, and I don't like the abbreviation SA any more than I like SS. You will be Space-A for me.

I think I'm going to go with Spacie.
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« Reply #341 on: September 13, 2016, 12:19:48 pm »

Well there was the Joseph thing, but I'm not sure that was scummy rather than just unproductive.
What's unproductive about it?
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« Reply #342 on: September 13, 2016, 12:20:21 pm »

Well there was the Joseph thing, but I'm not sure that was scummy rather than just unproductive.
What's unproductive about it?

I already went into this a while ago, we don't need to rehash it.

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« Reply #343 on: September 13, 2016, 12:21:56 pm »

I just don't think Joseph is scummy, and the way you tried to get the wagon going is scummy.  The idea that people not sheeping you means someone is scum is just so wrong.
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« Reply #344 on: September 13, 2016, 12:22:13 pm »

Oh, and I don't like the abbreviation SA any more than I like SS. You will be Space-A for me.

I think I'm going to go with Spacie.
I'm thinking of them like this:

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« Reply #345 on: September 13, 2016, 12:23:48 pm »

Or you could just program SpaceAnemone into your phone or set a macro for it or something.

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« Reply #346 on: September 13, 2016, 12:27:00 pm »

Sorry for my slight VLA! I'm back home with a computer again now :-)

Vote: Witherweaver because my not-very-well-informed gut says so, my re-read isn't really going in any particular direction very quickly this late at night.

Also, why is RR so quiet?

Any chance we can hear from your overanalyzing version of your D1 self like we saw in your first game on this site? I like him better than this gut reading one for reasons.

The overanalyzing version of me was a super-keen newbie who was not also involved in another game, but then Haddock's one started too, and then this one started before that was over. And I really don't have time/brainpower for multiples at once, but I haven't got a good feel for how quickly the games fill and start, and how long they run for when I don't just die N1...

Also, was I not scumreading you quite heavily at the point I died? :-P

Yeah, you were. Try being wrong about someone else next time.
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« Reply #347 on: September 13, 2016, 12:28:19 pm »

also did you forget that faust always dies night 1?

Let's let him live for today, and if he's still there tomorrow we can have a conversation.

I think his hiatus may well have put an end to that tradition. So many new players.
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« Reply #348 on: September 13, 2016, 12:29:54 pm »

Sorry for my slight VLA! I'm back home with a computer again now :-)

Vote: Witherweaver because my not-very-well-informed gut says so, my re-read isn't really going in any particular direction very quickly this late at night.

Also, why is RR so quiet?

Any chance we can hear from your overanalyzing version of your D1 self like we saw in your first game on this site? I like him better than this gut reading one for reasons.

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Also, was I not scumreading you quite heavily at the point I died? :-P

Yeah, you were. Try being wrong about someone else next time.

Like me?
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« Reply #349 on: September 13, 2016, 12:30:12 pm »

also did you forget that faust always dies night 1?

Let's let him live for today, and if he's still there tomorrow we can have a conversation.

I think his hiatus may well have put an end to that tradition. So many new players.

Also by talking about this we're giving scum more Wifom opportunities, so maybe let's not talk too much about it.

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« Reply #350 on: September 13, 2016, 12:32:07 pm »

also did you forget that faust always dies night 1?

Let's let him live for today, and if he's still there tomorrow we can have a conversation.

I think his hiatus may well have put an end to that tradition. So many new players.

Also by talking about this we're giving scum more Wifom opportunities, so maybe let's not talk too much about it.
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« Reply #351 on: September 13, 2016, 12:35:54 pm »

also did you forget that faust always dies night 1?

Let's let him live for today, and if he's still there tomorrow we can have a conversation.

I think his hiatus may well have put an end to that tradition. So many new players.

Also by talking about this we're giving scum more Wifom opportunities, so maybe let's not talk too much about it.

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« Reply #352 on: September 13, 2016, 12:40:30 pm »

also did you forget that faust always dies night 1?

Let's let him live for today, and if he's still there tomorrow we can have a conversation.

I think his hiatus may well have put an end to that tradition. So many new players.

Also by talking about this we're giving scum more Wifom opportunities, so maybe let's not talk too much about it.
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« Reply #353 on: September 13, 2016, 12:45:09 pm »

Oh, and I don't like the abbreviation SA any more than I like SS. You will be Space-A for me.

I think I'm going to go with Spacie.

Okay.. where are we going? :-)
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into space?

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« Reply #355 on: September 13, 2016, 12:46:27 pm »

I'm thinking of them like this:

Spaaaaaaaace!

You're still my favourite new person :-)
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« Reply #356 on: September 13, 2016, 12:48:30 pm »

Oh, and I don't like the abbreviation SA any more than I like SS. You will be Space-A for me.

I think I'm going to go with Spacie.

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« Reply #357 on: September 13, 2016, 12:53:08 pm »

Sorry for my slight VLA! I'm back home with a computer again now :-)

Vote: Witherweaver because my not-very-well-informed gut says so, my re-read isn't really going in any particular direction very quickly this late at night.

Also, why is RR so quiet?

Any chance we can hear from your overanalyzing version of your D1 self like we saw in your first game on this site? I like him better than this gut reading one for reasons.

The overanalyzing version of me was a super-keen newbie who was not also involved in another game, but then Haddock's one started too, and then this one started before that was over. And I really don't have time/brainpower for multiples at once, but I haven't got a good feel for how quickly the games fill and start, and how long they run for when I don't just die N1...

Also, was I not scumreading you quite heavily at the point I died? :-P

Yeah, you were. Try being wrong about someone else next time.

Like me?

Sure, I can probably do that! Or at least I can sit here voting for you till someone scummier comes along...
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« Reply #358 on: September 13, 2016, 12:54:02 pm »

Oh, and I don't like the abbreviation SA any more than I like SS. You will be Space-A for me.

I think I'm going to go with Spacie.

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« Reply #359 on: September 13, 2016, 02:37:44 pm »

I'm also starting to wonder if schadd is scum. I have no idea what his meta will be like, but I feel like there's a lot of fluff in his posts as well so to speak.
if not for fluff i probably wouldn't be saying much at all, because of the not knowing things and stuff. i assume that that it's better than not talking but who knows
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« Reply #360 on: September 13, 2016, 02:42:24 pm »

I'm also starting to wonder if schadd is scum. I have no idea what his meta will be like, but I feel like there's a lot of fluff in his posts as well so to speak.
if not for fluff i probably wouldn't be saying much at all, because of the not knowing things and stuff. i assume that that it's better than not talking but who knows

Everyone is writing mostly fluff. Some people should know better by now.

I wrote out some questions in my long series of posts. Every single one of them got ignored. Is there any way the people to whom I asked questions could correct this?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #361 on: September 13, 2016, 02:44:47 pm »

I'm also starting to wonder if schadd is scum. I have no idea what his meta will be like, but I feel like there's a lot of fluff in his posts as well so to speak.
if not for fluff i probably wouldn't be saying much at all, because of the not knowing things and stuff. i assume that that it's better than not talking but who knows

Everyone is writing mostly fluff. Some people should know better by now.

I wrote out some questions in my long series of posts. Every single one of them got ignored. Is there any way the people to whom I asked questions could correct this?

Just rechecked and none of those were for me.  Unless I missed it for the second time.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #362 on: September 13, 2016, 02:51:14 pm »

I'm also starting to wonder if schadd is scum. I have no idea what his meta will be like, but I feel like there's a lot of fluff in his posts as well so to speak.
if not for fluff i probably wouldn't be saying much at all, because of the not knowing things and stuff. i assume that that it's better than not talking but who knows

Everyone is writing mostly fluff. Some people should know better by now.

I wrote out some questions in my long series of posts. Every single one of them got ignored. Is there any way the people to whom I asked questions could correct this?

Just rechecked and none of those were for me.  Unless I missed it for the second time.

Yeah, good point.

What are you doing in this game? Why am I supposed to think you could even remotely be town?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #363 on: September 13, 2016, 03:00:07 pm »

I'm also starting to wonder if schadd is scum. I have no idea what his meta will be like, but I feel like there's a lot of fluff in his posts as well so to speak.
if not for fluff i probably wouldn't be saying much at all, because of the not knowing things and stuff. i assume that that it's better than not talking but who knows

Everyone is writing mostly fluff. Some people should know better by now.

I wrote out some questions in my long series of posts. Every single one of them got ignored. Is there any way the people to whom I asked questions could correct this?

Well I answered your question. Then you voted for me. Now, you don't get to complain that others don't want to answer!
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #364 on: September 13, 2016, 03:11:45 pm »

I'm also starting to wonder if schadd is scum. I have no idea what his meta will be like, but I feel like there's a lot of fluff in his posts as well so to speak.
if not for fluff i probably wouldn't be saying much at all, because of the not knowing things and stuff. i assume that that it's better than not talking but who knows

Everyone is writing mostly fluff. Some people should know better by now.

I wrote out some questions in my long series of posts. Every single one of them got ignored. Is there any way the people to whom I asked questions could correct this?

Just rechecked and none of those were for me.  Unless I missed it for the second time.

Yeah, good point.

What are you doing in this game? Why am I supposed to think you could even remotely be town?

Well I haven't done much this game because I was trying to secure the win in BSG mafia (waste of time!).  I haven't done anything scummy, and have done some townie things.  Admittedly not many, because I haven't been very active in this game up to this point.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #365 on: September 13, 2016, 03:20:59 pm »

Faust's posts are waaaaay to fluffy. vote: faust
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #366 on: September 13, 2016, 03:21:04 pm »

I'm also starting to wonder if schadd is scum. I have no idea what his meta will be like, but I feel like there's a lot of fluff in his posts as well so to speak.
if not for fluff i probably wouldn't be saying much at all, because of the not knowing things and stuff. i assume that that it's better than not talking but who knows

Everyone is writing mostly fluff. Some people should know better by now.

I wrote out some questions in my long series of posts. Every single one of them got ignored. Is there any way the people to whom I asked questions could correct this?

Just rechecked and none of those were for me.  Unless I missed it for the second time.

Yeah, good point.

What are you doing in this game? Why am I supposed to think you could even remotely be town?

Well I haven't done much this game because I was trying to secure the win in BSG mafia (waste of time!).  I haven't done anything scummy, and have done some townie things.  Admittedly not many, because I haven't been very active in this game up to this point.

What are your townie things you did?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #367 on: September 13, 2016, 03:34:39 pm »

I'm also starting to wonder if schadd is scum. I have no idea what his meta will be like, but I feel like there's a lot of fluff in his posts as well so to speak.
if not for fluff i probably wouldn't be saying much at all, because of the not knowing things and stuff. i assume that that it's better than not talking but who knows

Everyone is writing mostly fluff. Some people should know better by now.

I wrote out some questions in my long series of posts. Every single one of them got ignored. Is there any way the people to whom I asked questions could correct this?

Just rechecked and none of those were for me.  Unless I missed it for the second time.

Yeah, good point.

What are you doing in this game? Why am I supposed to think you could even remotely be town?

Well I haven't done much this game because I was trying to secure the win in BSG mafia (waste of time!).  I haven't done anything scummy, and have done some townie things.  Admittedly not many, because I haven't been very active in this game up to this point.

What are your townie things you did?

I think my position on Joseph and my putting mail-mi at L-1 were townie
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #368 on: September 13, 2016, 03:39:53 pm »

I'm also starting to wonder if schadd is scum. I have no idea what his meta will be like, but I feel like there's a lot of fluff in his posts as well so to speak.
if not for fluff i probably wouldn't be saying much at all, because of the not knowing things and stuff. i assume that that it's better than not talking but who knows

Everyone is writing mostly fluff. Some people should know better by now.

I wrote out some questions in my long series of posts. Every single one of them got ignored. Is there any way the people to whom I asked questions could correct this?

Just rechecked and none of those were for me.  Unless I missed it for the second time.

Yeah, good point.

What are you doing in this game? Why am I supposed to think you could even remotely be town?

Well I haven't done much this game because I was trying to secure the win in BSG mafia (waste of time!).  I haven't done anything scummy, and have done some townie things.  Admittedly not many, because I haven't been very active in this game up to this point.

What are your townie things you did?

I think my position on Joseph and my putting mail-mi at L-1 were townie

Cool, I agree. You are one of my stronger townreads. Probably why I had no questions for you.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #369 on: September 13, 2016, 03:41:01 pm »

Okay, are we seriously discussing lynching faust day 1? If I say that he always gets NK'd I'm not joking. He is one of the prime NK targets. Why not wait?

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #370 on: September 13, 2016, 03:42:06 pm »

Okay, are we seriously discussing lynching faust day 1? If I say that he always gets NK'd I'm not joking. He is one of the prime NK targets. Why not wait?

Because he is the scummiest person right now
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #371 on: September 13, 2016, 03:42:28 pm »

based on what?

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #372 on: September 13, 2016, 03:45:51 pm »

When everyone looks like town, probably Faust is scum.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #373 on: September 13, 2016, 03:46:12 pm »

And probably silverspawn is his partner  ::)
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #374 on: September 13, 2016, 04:32:38 pm »

Iguana, were any of your questions for me?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #375 on: September 13, 2016, 04:40:47 pm »

Iguana, were any of your questions for me?

You're a town.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #376 on: September 13, 2016, 04:42:45 pm »

Iguana, were any of your questions for me?

You're a town.

So uh, who are your scums in your head?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #377 on: September 13, 2016, 05:04:26 pm »

Well isn't that fun. Let's tak about my wagon, shall we?

Obviously it's bullshit to think I play scummy. Anyone who has ever seen me play scum would know better, and, incidentally, everyone who's currently voting for me has. Well of course I could still be scum. But that would mean that scum!me is taking a pretty novel approach to the game. And, let's face it, nobody on my wagon has argued in that direction.

So what do we have?

Joseph's vote is just plain OMGUS. That isn't very telling guys; Joseph is an omgusy kind of player. So while his vote is bad as in it doesn't really make sense bad, it's not bad in the sense of this guy is totes scum.

Then we have the iguana. He expressedly voted for me because I'm more fluffy than usual. Which like isn't a scum tell at all unless you can provide more reasoning for why it would be. I mean, I have to say, igu came to this game quite solvy; for a D1, that's not what I'm expecting. I'm on the fence on whether he could keep up his lurky jokey unhelpful D1 persona as scum. The change to a more focused way of playing is unfortunately scummy, since it's what I expect from someone who's uncomfortable playing scum, and I know that iguana is.

gkrieg just votes without any kind of reason, which is kinda fine really. Looks like a pressure vote to me, that's a good townie thing. I also liked that post where he gave reasons for being townie, because I know these moments where you're town and go like, "oh, I'm so incredibly townie right now!", and so it's good for him that he can provide such examples.

mail-mi's vote is easily the worst of the bunch. He too votes me for being too fluffy, which again is just nonsense and a way to jump a wagon that might help scum get rid of a troublesome player. I mean it feels kinda in character with early mail-mi from some years ago, but what I've seen from him recently points to him being a lot less sheepy and more analytical nowadays, and that just doesn't fit with this vote.

Vote: mail-mi
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #378 on: September 13, 2016, 05:32:26 pm »

@iguana: in a bit, when I'm home

@faust: it's day one and I've been paying more attention to BSG and Rewind than this one. I'm gonna do more stuff later but for now you're way more fluffy than usual, as if you feel the need to post as much as you usually do but with nothing to say cause you're scum, so it's a good place for my vote right now.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #379 on: September 13, 2016, 05:35:07 pm »

@iguana: in a bit, when I'm home

@faust: it's day one and I've been paying more attention to BSG and Rewind than this one. I'm gonna do more stuff later but for now you're way more fluffy than usual, as if you feel the need to post as much as you usually do but with nothing to say cause you're scum, so it's a good place for my vote right now.

Faust doesn't post with nothing to say as scum, though.  He creates stuff to say.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #380 on: September 13, 2016, 05:51:42 pm »

@iguana: in a bit, when I'm home

@faust: it's day one and I've been paying more attention to BSG and Rewind than this one. I'm gonna do more stuff later but for now you're way more fluffy than usual, as if you feel the need to post as much as you usually do but with nothing to say cause you're scum, so it's a good place for my vote right now.

Faust doesn't post with nothing to say as scum, though.  He creates stuff to say.

It's true. Though I guess you could argue that by posting kinda fluffy and attracting votes, I did create stuff to say. Anyway that's not the point anyone is making, which is bad.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #381 on: September 13, 2016, 06:15:44 pm »

@iguana: in a bit, when I'm home

@faust: it's day one and I've been paying more attention to BSG and Rewind than this one. I'm gonna do more stuff later but for now you're way more fluffy than usual, as if you feel the need to post as much as you usually do but with nothing to say cause you're scum, so it's a good place for my vote right now.

Faust doesn't post with nothing to say as scum, though.  He creates stuff to say.

It's true. Though I guess you could argue that by posting kinda fluffy and attracting votes, I did create stuff to say. Anyway that's not the point anyone is making, which is bad.
Are you saying people just aren't voting for you for the right reasons?

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #382 on: September 13, 2016, 06:16:03 pm »

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #383 on: September 13, 2016, 07:49:28 pm »

When everyone looks like town, probably Faust is scum.

This is actually an interesting point.  If you're having trouble getting scumreads, there's a good chance scum is among the more experienced players.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #384 on: September 13, 2016, 07:51:14 pm »

When everyone looks like town, probably Faust is scum.

This is actually an interesting point.  If you're having trouble getting scumreads, there's a good chance scum is among the more experienced players.
Huh...that is interesting
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #385 on: September 13, 2016, 07:52:21 pm »

I haven't really thought about this game enough to make effective reads. I've read everything, but I really haven't absorbed the information, you know? So I'm just waiting for D2
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #386 on: September 13, 2016, 08:16:42 pm »

When everyone looks like town, probably Faust is scum.

This is actually an interesting point.  If you're having trouble getting scumreads, there's a good chance scum is among the more experienced players.

If you take this theorem seriously day 1, you will not get useful results. Scum is not scumread day 1 all the time. Day 1 scumreads are townies plying scummy more often than not. Scum has no effect on those.

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« Reply #387 on: September 13, 2016, 08:26:36 pm »

When everyone looks like town, probably Faust is scum.

This is actually an interesting point.  If you're having trouble getting scumreads, there's a good chance scum is among the more experienced players.
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« Reply #388 on: September 13, 2016, 08:27:20 pm »

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« Reply #389 on: September 14, 2016, 12:54:18 am »

Iguana, were any of your questions for me?

You're a town.

i agree.

Iguana, were any of your questions for me?

You're a town.

So uh, who are your scums in your head?

Before reread: Faust, cause of fluff. These most recent post(s) haven't alleviated that read at all. You also make a point on him. WW a little bit, but only minorly. Uh... I don't really remember anything else. huh. I need to reread, it looks like.
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« Reply #390 on: September 14, 2016, 01:30:54 am »

After M85 and M84 that I've been reading, I look at mail-mi closely. I know that the odds of being scum 3 games in a row are little but he's so very good when he's scum!
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« Reply #391 on: September 14, 2016, 01:32:48 am »

I know that the odds of being scum 3 games in a row are little

gambler's fallacy. Also, look at WW's first games. I think he was scum, what, 7 times in a row or so?

but he's so very good when he's scum!

Why thank you.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #392 on: September 14, 2016, 01:36:18 am »

I know that the odds of being scum 3 games in a row are little

gambler's fallacy. Also, look at WW's first games. I think he was scum, what, 7 times in a row or so?

but he's so very good when he's scum!

Why thank you.

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« Reply #393 on: September 14, 2016, 01:37:46 am »

After M85 and M84 that I've been reading, I look at mail-mi closely. I know that the odds of being scum 3 games in a row are little but he's so very good when he's scum!
Actually, the odds of him being scum this game are the same as other games.
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« Reply #394 on: September 14, 2016, 01:39:31 am »

After M85 and M84 that I've been reading, I look at mail-mi closely. I know that the odds of being scum 3 games in a row are little but he's so very good when he's scum!
Actually, the odds of him being scum this game are the same as other games.

yeah, but three in a row?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #395 on: September 14, 2016, 01:50:43 am »

After M85 and M84 that I've been reading, I look at mail-mi closely. I know that the odds of being scum 3 games in a row are little but he's so very good when he's scum!
Actually, the odds of him being scum this game are the same as other games.

yeah, but three in a row?

Actually, the odds of him being scum this game are the same as other games.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #396 on: September 14, 2016, 01:56:43 am »

okay, you got me, I don't know much about probability theories, I'm in a minority of humanitarians on this site.

Nevertheless I didn't count this as "he can't be the scum three times in a row so he's town". It was just my (false) observation. I don't really trust him.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #397 on: September 14, 2016, 02:24:28 am »

I know that the odds of being scum 3 games in a row are little

gambler's fallacy. Also, look at WW's first games. I think he was scum, what, 7 times in a row or so?

but he's so very good when he's scum!

Why thank you.

You know that your words don't clear you? vote: mail-mi

Uh I was never trying to clear myself. What about this post is scummy?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #398 on: September 14, 2016, 03:12:22 am »

I know that the odds of being scum 3 games in a row are little

gambler's fallacy. Also, look at WW's first games. I think he was scum, what, 7 times in a row or so?

but he's so very good when he's scum!

Why thank you.

You know that your words don't clear you? vote: mail-mi

Uh I was never trying to clear myself. What about this post is scummy?

I was suspecting you because of the faust wagon, and I told you something to see your response.

I was waiting from town!you to sat something like you're good when you're town too. But you just told "thank you" and that is something scum!you would've said.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #399 on: September 14, 2016, 06:10:30 am »

I know that the odds of being scum 3 games in a row are little

gambler's fallacy. Also, look at WW's first games. I think he was scum, what, 7 times in a row or so?

but he's so very good when he's scum!

Why thank you.

You know that your words don't clear you? vote: mail-mi

Uh I was never trying to clear myself. What about this post is scummy?

I was suspecting you because of the faust wagon, and I told you something to see your response.

I was waiting from town!you to sat something like you're good when you're town too. But you just told "thank you" and that is something scum!you would've said.

Town frame of mind here folks.
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« Reply #400 on: September 14, 2016, 09:18:15 am »

I know that the odds of being scum 3 games in a row are little

gambler's fallacy. Also, look at WW's first games. I think he was scum, what, 7 times in a row or so?

but he's so very good when he's scum!

Why thank you.

You know that your words don't clear you? vote: mail-mi

Uh I was never trying to clear myself. What about this post is scummy?

I was suspecting you because of the faust wagon, and I told you something to see your response.

I was waiting from town!you to sat something like you're good when you're town too. But you just told "thank you" and that is something scum!you would've said.

Well, I'm not gonna lie and say I'm good as town. ;)

I believe that my reason for being on the Faust wagon is legitimate. Why do you think it's scummy?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #401 on: September 14, 2016, 09:20:40 am »

I know that the odds of being scum 3 games in a row are little

gambler's fallacy. Also, look at WW's first games. I think he was scum, what, 7 times in a row or so?

but he's so very good when he's scum!

Why thank you.

You know that your words don't clear you? vote: mail-mi

Uh I was never trying to clear myself. What about this post is scummy?

I was suspecting you because of the faust wagon, and I told you something to see your response.

I was waiting from town!you to sat something like you're good when you're town too. But you just told "thank you" and that is something scum!you would've said.

Well, I'm not gonna lie and say I'm good as town. ;)

I believe that my reason for being on the Faust wagon is legitimate. Why do you think it's scummy?

I noticed that he is fluffy in every game and everyone seems fine about it. But on the other hand it can always be a
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« Reply #402 on: September 14, 2016, 09:21:57 am »

Faust usually isn't *this* fluffy though.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #403 on: September 14, 2016, 09:54:02 am »

Faust usually isn't *this* fluffy though.
So why do you think me being more fluffy than usual means that I'm scum?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #404 on: September 14, 2016, 11:08:41 am »

Vote Count 1.8:

schadd (1): Roadrunner7671
J Reggie (1): Witherweaver
Witherweaver (1): SpaceAnemone
mail-mi (3): J Reggie, faust, LaLight
Joseph2302 (2): schadd, silverspawn
faust (4): Joseph2302, iguanaiguana, gkrieg13, mail-mi

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With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #405 on: September 14, 2016, 11:36:40 am »

Faust usually isn't *this* fluffy though.
So why do you think me being more fluffy than usual means that I'm scum?
I believe it does.
I have reasons, but since you asked mail-mi, I'll let him respond first.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #406 on: September 14, 2016, 11:37:13 am »


Day 1 ends on September 17 at 2:20 a.m. forum time.

~2.5 days, we need to do more
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #407 on: September 14, 2016, 11:38:07 am »

Faust usually isn't *this* fluffy though.
So why do you think me being more fluffy than usual means that I'm scum?
It just seems off. It isn't a trait of scum!faust or town!faust. I think right now it's more likely to come from scum Faust.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #408 on: September 14, 2016, 11:40:06 am »

I'm pretty sure flufiness is not a scum!faust trait /at all/

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #409 on: September 14, 2016, 11:50:34 am »

Ok, we've got plurality lynch here. I think that's pretty common these days. But please let's not use it.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #410 on: September 14, 2016, 11:55:24 am »

Ok, we've got plurality lynch here. I think that's pretty common these days. But please let's not use it.

What is so bad about plurality lynch?

Also both my scum reads are voting for each other.  What do I do?
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« Reply #411 on: September 14, 2016, 11:55:42 am »

I'm pretty sure flufiness is not a scum!faust trait /at all/

Is it a town Faust trait?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #412 on: September 14, 2016, 12:01:18 pm »

I'm pretty sure flufiness is not a scum!faust trait /at all/

Is it a town Faust trait?
Yes.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #413 on: September 14, 2016, 12:12:59 pm »

Ok, we've got plurality lynch here. I think that's pretty common these days. But please let's not use it.

What is so bad about plurality lynch?

Also both my scum reads are voting for each other.  What do I do?

Plurality lynch is worse because there's less of a wagon to analyze, and also something happens which a majority of people didn't want to happen. Also I won't be around for the deadline.

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« Reply #414 on: September 14, 2016, 12:13:54 pm »

I'm pretty sure flufiness is not a scum!faust trait /at all/

Is it a town Faust trait?
Yes.
Huh. Thanks for the link. unvote

I'm inerested to hear Joseph's reasons.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #415 on: September 14, 2016, 12:14:43 pm »

I'm pretty sure flufiness is not a scum!faust trait /at all/

Is it a town Faust trait?
Yes.

Hmmmmmmmmmm............................

Faust always comes up with some dumb reason to unvote him.

Anyway, my vote was the pressure vote.

Unvote
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #416 on: September 14, 2016, 12:15:38 pm »

Ok, we've got plurality lynch here. I think that's pretty common these days. But please let's not use it.

What is so bad about plurality lynch?

Also both my scum reads are voting for each other.  What do I do?

Makes wagon analysis harder to earlier in the game when you have less flips.
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« Reply #417 on: September 14, 2016, 12:20:56 pm »

Alright, here's my sorting of yall. I need to do this for myself to figure out who to vote.

Townreads:

Lalight
Gkrieg13
Mail mi

Could be scum but I'm not gunna lynch em today:
Faust
Witherweaver
silverspawn
Schadd


That leaves:

Roadrunner7671
Joseph2302
SpaceAnemone
J Reggie


There's only one big fish left in that small pond.

Vote: J Reggie

Now to go back and see if that even makes sense.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #418 on: September 14, 2016, 12:28:28 pm »



Then we have the iguana. He expressedly voted for me because I'm more fluffy than usual. Which like isn't a scum tell at all unless you can provide more reasoning for why it would be. I mean, I have to say, igu came to this game quite solvy; for a D1, that's not what I'm expecting. I'm on the fence on whether he could keep up his lurky jokey unhelpful D1 persona as scum. The change to a more focused way of playing is unfortunately scummy, since it's what I expect from someone who's uncomfortable playing scum, and I know that iguana is.

In an environment where no town player is driving the game forward, scum is presented with the temptation to let the game stall as it plays to their advantage. And they don't stand out for stalling when everyone is doing it. This game stalled hard while I was VLA for 5 days, so I decided to look at which players usually drive it forward. I landed on you.

I think your defense of yourself is good, but if you look at my recent games I think you'll find this isn't the one where I turned around from lazy to solvy again--that was a few games ago--and I haven't drawn scum since Sherlock. So I don't think your argument holds. I'm playing this game the same way I've been playing the last few.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #419 on: September 14, 2016, 12:32:17 pm »

I advise reread J Reggie. It won't take long. And consider voting for him. Most of us it would seem haven't done that yet.

I like my vote where it is.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #420 on: September 14, 2016, 12:34:18 pm »

I don't want to lynch Faust.. probably not Iguana.  Probably not Schadd.  Think I'd go for anyone else.  I don't really remember what made me think J Reggie was scummy, but I trust six-day-ago me.  He's a smart guy. 
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« Reply #421 on: September 14, 2016, 12:39:15 pm »

I advise reread J Reggie. It won't take long. And consider voting for him. Most of us it would seem haven't done that yet.

I like my vote where it is.

Any reasons, or just trying to start a wagon?

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« Reply #422 on: September 14, 2016, 01:40:47 pm »

I advise reread J Reggie. It won't take long. And consider voting for him. Most of us it would seem haven't done that yet.

I like my vote where it is.

Any reasons, or just trying to start a wagon?

Complete lack of commitment to anything the whole game through.

I know that's everyone but you especially.

Let's call it a pressure vote that I hope results in a lynch.
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« Reply #423 on: September 14, 2016, 01:46:07 pm »

that's a contradiction but the case is good. vote: J Reggie

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« Reply #424 on: September 14, 2016, 02:33:03 pm »

I advise reread J Reggie. It won't take long. And consider voting for him. Most of us it would seem haven't done that yet.

I like my vote where it is.

Any reasons, or just trying to start a wagon?

Complete lack of commitment to anything the whole game through.

I know that's everyone but you especially.

Let's call it a pressure vote that I hope results in a lynch.

If you hope it results in a lynch, how is it a pressure vote?

I haven't paid as much attention to this game as I should have because of stuff I can't talk about, but I did have the discussion with Faust about the Joseph thing and also as I've said I have a scumread on mail-mi.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #425 on: September 14, 2016, 03:14:06 pm »

Lynch list:

1. Witherweaver - null to mildly town
2. LaLight - lots of content, pro-town
3. silverspawn - not a lot there
4. gkrieg13 - put mail-mi on L-1, which isn't great. Not a lot else
5. faust - leaning towards scum
6. Roadrunner7671 - for the first time in forever, don't think he's scum
7. Joseph2302 - me. Absolutely no useful content so far
8. SpaceAnemone - mild town read on him, from very little content
9. J Reggie - trying to get the game moving early, and decently towny with most other things
10. schadd - lots of short posts, kind of null
11. iguanaiguana - mild town read
12. mail-mi - his wagon seemed a bit too easy for my liking. As he hasn't done anything super-scummy, it's likely there was scum on the wagon, and therefore more likely that he's town. Also seems different to the scum!mail-mi in a previous game
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #426 on: September 14, 2016, 03:15:50 pm »

Lynch list:

1. Witherweaver - null to mildly town
2. LaLight - lots of content, pro-town
3. silverspawn - not a lot there
4. gkrieg13 - put mail-mi on L-1, which isn't great. Not a lot else
5. faust - leaning towards scum
6. Roadrunner7671 - for the first time in forever, don't think he's scum
7. Joseph2302 - me. Absolutely no useful content so far
8. SpaceAnemone - mild town read on them, from very little content
9. J Reggie - trying to get the game moving early, and decently towny with most other things
10. schadd - lots of short posts, kind of null
11. iguanaiguana - mild town read
12. mail-mi - his wagon seemed a bit too easy for my liking. As he hasn't done anything super-scummy, it's likely there was scum on the wagon, and therefore more likely that he's town. Also seems different to the scum!mail-mi in a previous game

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #427 on: September 14, 2016, 03:21:26 pm »

I mean, I could go back to Joseph I guess. His lynchpool is like the 4 towniest people alive.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #428 on: September 14, 2016, 03:28:54 pm »

Why does very little content => mild town read?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #429 on: September 14, 2016, 04:38:05 pm »

I advise reread J Reggie. It won't take long. And consider voting for him. Most of us it would seem haven't done that yet.

I like my vote where it is.

Any reasons, or just trying to start a wagon?

Complete lack of commitment to anything the whole game through.

I know that's everyone but you especially.

Let's call it a pressure vote that I hope results in a lynch.

If you hope it results in a lynch, how is it a pressure vote?
That was what you call a tongue in cheek comment.
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I haven't paid as much attention to this game as I should have because of stuff I can't talk about, but I did have the discussion with Faust about the Joseph thing and also as I've said I have a scumread on mail-mi.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #430 on: September 14, 2016, 05:49:23 pm »

Lynch list:

1. Witherweaver - null to mildly town
2. LaLight - lots of content, pro-town
3. silverspawn - not a lot there
4. gkrieg13 - put mail-mi on L-1, which isn't great. Not a lot else
5. faust - leaning towards scum
6. Roadrunner7671 - for the first time in forever, don't think he's scum
7. Joseph2302 - me. Absolutely no useful content so far
8. SpaceAnemone - mild town read on him, from very little content
9. J Reggie - trying to get the game moving early, and decently towny with most other things
10. schadd - lots of short posts, kind of null
11. iguanaiguana - mild town read
12. mail-mi - his wagon seemed a bit too easy for my liking. As he hasn't done anything super-scummy, it's likely there was scum on the wagon, and therefore more likely that he's town. Also seems different to the scum!mail-mi in a previous game

How was putting mail-mi at L-1 bad?  Early D1 L-1s are great!
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #431 on: September 14, 2016, 05:52:06 pm »

I thought Faust was a good scum player though. Would he be this fluffy as scum? The only argument I can really think of is that he probably wouldn't be this fluffy as town, so that's something.

Huh. Actually I think I like the wagon. If there still is a wagon. Faust might be a PR though.

Anyway,
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #432 on: September 14, 2016, 05:52:20 pm »

Lynch list:

1. Witherweaver - null to mildly town
2. LaLight - lots of content, pro-town
3. silverspawn - not a lot there
4. gkrieg13 - put mail-mi on L-1, which isn't great. Not a lot else
5. faust - leaning towards scum
6. Roadrunner7671 - for the first time in forever, don't think he's scum
7. Joseph2302 - me. Absolutely no useful content so far
8. SpaceAnemone - mild town read on him, from very little content
9. J Reggie - trying to get the game moving early, and decently towny with most other things
10. schadd - lots of short posts, kind of null
11. iguanaiguana - mild town read
12. mail-mi - his wagon seemed a bit too easy for my liking. As he hasn't done anything super-scummy, it's likely there was scum on the wagon, and therefore more likely that he's town. Also seems different to the scum!mail-mi in a previous game

How was putting mail-mi at L-1 bad?  Early D1 L-1s are great!

Especially when they're on your partner!
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #433 on: September 14, 2016, 05:52:44 pm »

Vote: Faust
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #434 on: September 14, 2016, 05:55:27 pm »

I thought Faust was a good scum player though. Would he be this fluffy as scum? The only argument I can really think of is that he probably wouldn't be this fluffy as town, so that's something.

Huh. Actually I think I like the wagon.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #435 on: September 14, 2016, 05:56:12 pm »

Why would I not be this fluffy as town, and how do these reasons not apply if I'm scum?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #436 on: September 14, 2016, 05:59:47 pm »

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #437 on: September 14, 2016, 06:09:23 pm »

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #438 on: September 14, 2016, 06:14:24 pm »

I don't think faust's fluffiness is actually scumness, told that before. Looks like weak wagon and people just continue to participate on this. And Joseph's list is strange, mostly because of putting Silver in the lynchpool. He's obvious town to me.

Also he puts faust there too. It can be because he sees his bros are making the wagon and tries to prove us it's right. For now i'm ok with my vote on mail-mi, then it's Joseph's time.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #439 on: September 14, 2016, 06:38:34 pm »

Oh ye foolish townies voting Faust, come hither to vote J Reggie.

Oh ye mafias voting for whomever, come forth and bus your partner. There shall be much towncred.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #440 on: September 14, 2016, 06:47:42 pm »

My reads are problematically mostly null or very mild, but here there are anyway.

Witherweaver -- Null (still overconfident/sarky, though!)
LaLight -- Still very newbie!town.
silverspawn -- Null.. He has a lot of short posts I can't really get my teeth into.
gkrieg13 -- Mild town (and I have sympathy with him having put this on the back burner spend time trying to win BSG, even though he actually killed me!)
faust -- Null so far, leaning mild town.
Roadrunner7671 -- I don't even know.
Joseph2302 -- Mild town
SpaceAnemone -- Spaaaaaaaaaace!
J Reggie -- Null. Some bits of him seem scummy, but other bits seem quite towny.
schadd -- Mild scum maybe, if he knows people here from other forum interactions?
iguanaiguana -- Towny.
mail-mi -- Mild scum. I did just come from a game where he was scum, and he seems really similar.

There are newbies in the game, so the little bit of fluff earlier was really welcome as far as I'm concerned, because it's too hard to engage with the rest of you discussing people's meta when I haven't quite formed my own opinion of most people here. I don't think interacting with people is a bad thing to encourage to make sure stuff keeps happening in D1.

@JReggie: Howcome nobody's made you add unique text to your profile to make you easier to search for?

I'm going to vote: Mail-mi because mild scum is the best I've come up with, and my other scumread is a newbie.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #441 on: September 14, 2016, 07:33:21 pm »

schadd -- Mild scum maybe, if he knows people here from other forum interactions?
only as much as the next guy. the scumfriends thing with faust was because i voted him and then stopped voting for him and the mafia school thing seemed like a nice narrative
@JReggie: Howcome nobody's made you add unique text to your profile to make you easier to search for?
they are the only duke i think


vote: j reggie is where i stand.
Yeah, people really seem to have forgotten about this game. Let's get a lynch in before the deadline because I probably won't be around then.
real? 6 pages in 4ish days seems perfectly fine, judging from cursory glances at the other ones. this might, however, stem from an actual personal time constraint. such is online mafia.
...and since then not many of the other posts have things that are really capable of refutation (or agreement, for that matter) and are sorta non-committal, as igu argued.
  from non-mafia knowledge, i would tend to agree with igu and the version of ss that says "the case is good." also, either way, j reg seems like a fun person to put the spotlight on
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #442 on: September 14, 2016, 07:35:18 pm »

oh also tell me when i have habits that are generally agreed upon to not be helpful for the townsfolk
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #443 on: September 14, 2016, 07:51:30 pm »

oh also tell me when i have habits that are generally agreed upon to not be helpful for the townsfolk
Declined. You are not supposed to try to be appear to be helpful to town, you're supposed to be helpful to town. The only really helpful thing is to find scum. Everything else is in service of that.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #444 on: September 14, 2016, 08:03:48 pm »

oh also tell me when i have habits that are generally agreed upon to not be helpful for the townsfolk
Declined. You are not supposed to try to be appear to be helpful to town, you're supposed to be helpful to town. The only really helpful thing is to find scum. Everything else is in service of that.
which is why i said things "that [aren't] helpful for the townsfolk" and not "things that make me look scummy." i was thinking something like "no don't say that thing, {cool guy} already articulated in M69 that that strategy doesn't actually make sense and does not statistically indicate who is scum. you are so bad, young fartling."
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #445 on: September 14, 2016, 08:21:15 pm »

M69 was a crapshoot from start to end  8)

A lot of non-content posts (and jokingly soft-claiming scum) will get you lynched in the end, which is not helpful for your win-condition. Whether that is helpful for town or not, you tell me.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #446 on: September 14, 2016, 08:23:57 pm »

Actually, M69 was GOP mafia. I was thinking of M71. M69 is the very first game that I read beginning to end.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #447 on: September 14, 2016, 08:26:18 pm »

@JReggie: Howcome nobody's made you add unique text to your profile to make you easier to search for?

Just search for "YouTube" with a hyphen after it and you'll get just my posts.

I don't like the way my wagon is forming. Ii just suddenly decided everyone should vote for me because what? I haven't contributed enough and I'm the most dangerous of his null reads? Neh.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #448 on: September 14, 2016, 08:27:53 pm »

Maybe I should just do something dumb; when I don't people think I'm not contributing enough.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #449 on: September 14, 2016, 09:15:14 pm »

Maybe I should just do something dumb; when I don't people think I'm not contributing enough.

Maybe you should do something smart, like hunt for scum.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #450 on: September 14, 2016, 09:22:54 pm »

@JReggie: Howcome nobody's made you add unique text to your profile to make you easier to search for?

Just search for "YouTube" with a hyphen after it and you'll get just my posts.

I don't like the way my wagon is forming. Ii just suddenly decided everyone should vote for me because what? I haven't contributed enough and I'm the most dangerous of his null reads? Neh.

I was doing it way before it was cool.  But, I'm a hipster.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #451 on: September 15, 2016, 07:59:40 am »

Is this silence because I'm in another timezone or because noone has nothing to say? Deadline is close, we need to decide something
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #452 on: September 15, 2016, 08:00:36 am »

What is what is vote count?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #453 on: September 15, 2016, 08:08:51 am »

Is this silence because I'm in another timezone or because noone has nothing to say? Deadline is close, we need to decide something
Both.
I agree, we need to do something.
I suggested things, it's just people didn't like them.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #454 on: September 15, 2016, 08:40:37 am »

Vote Count 1.9:

J Reggie (4): Witherweaver, iguanaiguana, silverspawn, schadd
mail-mi (4): J Reggie, faust, LaLight, SpaceAnemone
faust (3): Joseph2302, gkrieg13, Roadrunner7671

Not Voting (1): mail-mi

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #455 on: September 15, 2016, 08:49:33 am »

My preference for these 3 wagons is:
(Most wanted first)

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #456 on: September 15, 2016, 08:51:05 am »

Normally faust is different to this.
In my mind, if you're scum then it's likely a mislynch will happen, so you need to commit less effort.
On the other hand, if you're town, it takes more effort to find scum.
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« Reply #457 on: September 15, 2016, 08:59:51 am »

Well, vote: J Reggie for now. Hopefully ill have time to reread today.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #458 on: September 15, 2016, 09:16:35 am »

Normally faust is different to this.
In my mind, if you're scum then it's likely a mislynch will happen, so you need to commit less effort.
On the other hand, if you're town, it takes more effort to find scum.
Again, this is not how I play as scum. Every time you think "someone is different than normal", your first reaction should be that that's a townie sign.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #459 on: September 15, 2016, 09:17:56 am »

Normally faust is different to this.
In my mind, if you're scum then it's likely a mislynch will happen, so you need to commit less effort.
On the other hand, if you're town, it takes more effort to find scum.
Again, this is not how I play as scum. Every time you think "someone is different than normal", your first reaction should be that that's a townie sign.
I play different almost every game, and no-one assumes I'm towny all the time.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #460 on: September 15, 2016, 09:21:21 am »

Normally faust is different to this.
In my mind, if you're scum then it's likely a mislynch will happen, so you need to commit less effort.
On the other hand, if you're town, it takes more effort to find scum.
Again, this is not how I play as scum. Every time you think "someone is different than normal", your first reaction should be that that's a townie sign.

Note to self: next scum game, play different than normal.
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« Reply #461 on: September 15, 2016, 09:33:30 am »

Well, vote: J Reggie for now. Hopefully ill have time to reread today.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #462 on: September 15, 2016, 09:57:06 am »

My preference for these 3 wagons is:
(Most wanted first)

faust
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #463 on: September 15, 2016, 09:58:09 am »

Normally faust is different to this.
In my mind, if you're scum then it's likely a mislynch will happen, so you need to commit less effort.
On the other hand, if you're town, it takes more effort to find scum.
Again, this is not how I play as scum. Every time you think "someone is different than normal", your first reaction should be that that's a townie sign.

What if you were to play similar to your town self. You can see how this is a bad argument
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #464 on: September 15, 2016, 10:10:27 am »

Normally faust is different to this.
In my mind, if you're scum then it's likely a mislynch will happen, so you need to commit less effort.
On the other hand, if you're town, it takes more effort to find scum.
Again, this is not how I play as scum. Every time you think "someone is different than normal", your first reaction should be that that's a townie sign.

What if you were to play similar to your town self. You can see how this is a bad argument

So tell me, how does my town self differ from my scum self?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #465 on: September 15, 2016, 10:11:40 am »

Normally faust is different to this.
In my mind, if you're scum then it's likely a mislynch will happen, so you need to commit less effort.
On the other hand, if you're town, it takes more effort to find scum.
Again, this is not how I play as scum. Every time you think "someone is different than normal", your first reaction should be that that's a townie sign.
I play different almost every game, and no-one assumes I'm towny all the time.
Is this post supposed to have some kind of point?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #466 on: September 15, 2016, 10:11:56 am »

Normally faust is different to this.
In my mind, if you're scum then it's likely a mislynch will happen, so you need to commit less effort.
On the other hand, if you're town, it takes more effort to find scum.
Again, this is not how I play as scum. Every time you think "someone is different than normal", your first reaction should be that that's a townie sign.

What if you were to play similar to your town self. You can see how this is a bad argument

So tell me, how does my town self differ from my scum self?

We could answer that question better if we lynched you!
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #467 on: September 15, 2016, 10:12:32 am »

No you really couldn't.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #468 on: September 15, 2016, 10:18:13 am »

Normally faust is different to this.
In my mind, if you're scum then it's likely a mislynch will happen, so you need to commit less effort.
On the other hand, if you're town, it takes more effort to find scum.
Again, this is not how I play as scum. Every time you think "someone is different than normal", your first reaction should be that that's a townie sign.

What if you were to play similar to your town self. You can see how this is a bad argument

So tell me, how does my town self differ from my scum self?

Well you do scummier things when you're scum. Like try to start a wagon on Joseph.

Even though I think you are scummiest right now, I'll vote: mail-mi. Deadline is soon right?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #469 on: September 15, 2016, 10:19:07 am »

Normally faust is different to this.
In my mind, if you're scum then it's likely a mislynch will happen, so you need to commit less effort.
On the other hand, if you're town, it takes more effort to find scum.
Again, this is not how I play as scum. Every time you think "someone is different than normal", your first reaction should be that that's a townie sign.
I play different almost every game, and no-one assumes I'm towny all the time.
Is this post supposed to have some kind of point?
Yes, it negates your point about how different=towny
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #470 on: September 15, 2016, 10:19:18 am »

Oh I guess not that soon. It doesn't seem like there are enough people onboard to lynch Faust, so mail-mi is better than J Reggie
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #471 on: September 15, 2016, 10:19:38 am »

Normally faust is different to this.
In my mind, if you're scum then it's likely a mislynch will happen, so you need to commit less effort.
On the other hand, if you're town, it takes more effort to find scum.
Again, this is not how I play as scum. Every time you think "someone is different than normal", your first reaction should be that that's a townie sign.

What if you were to play similar to your town self. You can see how this is a bad argument

So tell me, how does my town self differ from my scum self?

Well you do scummier things when you're scum. Like try to start a wagon on Joseph.

Even though I think you are scummiest right now, I'll vote: mail-mi. Deadline is soon right?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #472 on: September 15, 2016, 10:20:00 am »

Normally faust is different to this.
In my mind, if you're scum then it's likely a mislynch will happen, so you need to commit less effort.
On the other hand, if you're town, it takes more effort to find scum.
Again, this is not how I play as scum. Every time you think "someone is different than normal", your first reaction should be that that's a townie sign.

What if you were to play similar to your town self. You can see how this is a bad argument

So tell me, how does my town self differ from my scum self?

Well you do scummier things when you're scum. Like try to start a wagon on Joseph.

Even though I think you are scummiest right now, I'll vote: mail-mi. Deadline is soon right?

Another unannounced L-2.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #473 on: September 15, 2016, 10:20:35 am »

Normally faust is different to this.
In my mind, if you're scum then it's likely a mislynch will happen, so you need to commit less effort.
On the other hand, if you're town, it takes more effort to find scum.
Again, this is not how I play as scum. Every time you think "someone is different than normal", your first reaction should be that that's a townie sign.

What if you were to play similar to your town self. You can see how this is a bad argument

So tell me, how does my town self differ from my scum self?

Also this is a horrible question. This is asking what your scum meta is and how it differs from your town meta. I never want to answer that question for you
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #474 on: September 15, 2016, 10:21:00 am »

Normally faust is different to this.
In my mind, if you're scum then it's likely a mislynch will happen, so you need to commit less effort.
On the other hand, if you're town, it takes more effort to find scum.
Again, this is not how I play as scum. Every time you think "someone is different than normal", your first reaction should be that that's a townie sign.

What if you were to play similar to your town self. You can see how this is a bad argument

So tell me, how does my town self differ from my scum self?

Well you do scummier things when you're scum. Like try to start a wagon on Joseph.

Even though I think you are scummiest right now, I'll vote: mail-mi. Deadline is soon right?

Another unannounced L-2.

I don't think that is a thing
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #475 on: September 15, 2016, 10:21:09 am »

Also, please make any cases on me by tomorrow afternoon. I don't think I'll be able to be online after that.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #476 on: September 15, 2016, 10:21:37 am »

Normally faust is different to this.
In my mind, if you're scum then it's likely a mislynch will happen, so you need to commit less effort.
On the other hand, if you're town, it takes more effort to find scum.
Again, this is not how I play as scum. Every time you think "someone is different than normal", your first reaction should be that that's a townie sign.

What if you were to play similar to your town self. You can see how this is a bad argument

So tell me, how does my town self differ from my scum self?

Well you do scummier things when you're scum. Like try to start a wagon on Joseph.

Even though I think you are scummiest right now, I'll vote: mail-mi. Deadline is soon right?

Another unannounced L-2.

I don't think that is a thing

No?

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #477 on: September 15, 2016, 10:24:36 am »

Normally faust is different to this.
In my mind, if you're scum then it's likely a mislynch will happen, so you need to commit less effort.
On the other hand, if you're town, it takes more effort to find scum.
Again, this is not how I play as scum. Every time you think "someone is different than normal", your first reaction should be that that's a townie sign.

What if you were to play similar to your town self. You can see how this is a bad argument

So tell me, how does my town self differ from my scum self?

Also this is a horrible question. This is asking what your scum meta is and how it differs from your town meta. I never want to answer that question for you
So basically you're saying you'll never make a case on me? Okay, then I'm not very worried about your vote, other than that it's useless.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #478 on: September 15, 2016, 11:07:32 am »

Normally faust is different to this.
In my mind, if you're scum then it's likely a mislynch will happen, so you need to commit less effort.
On the other hand, if you're town, it takes more effort to find scum.
Again, this is not how I play as scum. Every time you think "someone is different than normal", your first reaction should be that that's a townie sign.

What if you were to play similar to your town self. You can see how this is a bad argument

So tell me, how does my town self differ from my scum self?

Also this is a horrible question. This is asking what your scum meta is and how it differs from your town meta. I never want to answer that question for you
So basically you're saying you'll never make a case on me? Okay, then I'm not very worried about your vote, other than that it's useless.

I'd be tempted to vote you for this if it didn't mean I would die. That's clearly not what he was saying. Telling you about how others perceive your meta is different from making a case on you in a specific game.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #479 on: September 15, 2016, 11:16:07 am »

Same, J Reggie. I really don't like that exchange, at all. vote: faust
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #480 on: September 15, 2016, 11:17:04 am »

I'm happy lynching either Mail-Mi or J Reggie.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #481 on: September 15, 2016, 11:23:18 am »

Normally faust is different to this.
In my mind, if you're scum then it's likely a mislynch will happen, so you need to commit less effort.
On the other hand, if you're town, it takes more effort to find scum.
Again, this is not how I play as scum. Every time you think "someone is different than normal", your first reaction should be that that's a townie sign.

What if you were to play similar to your town self. You can see how this is a bad argument

So tell me, how does my town self differ from my scum self?

Also this is a horrible question. This is asking what your scum meta is and how it differs from your town meta. I never want to answer that question for you
So basically you're saying you'll never make a case on me? Okay, then I'm not very worried about your vote, other than that it's useless.

I'd be tempted to vote you for this if it didn't mean I would die. That's clearly not what he was saying. Telling you about how others perceive your meta is different from making a case on you in a specific game.
To make a case, you have to point out things where a person behaved in a scummy way. To talk about what is scummy, you need to present an idea as to what the person you're making a case on would actually do as scum. I mean you can of course also post bullshit stuff like "having little content is always scummy".
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #482 on: September 15, 2016, 11:24:42 am »

Same, J Reggie. I really don't like that exchange, at all. vote: faust
And why not?
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« Reply #483 on: September 15, 2016, 11:29:02 am »

Same, J Reggie. I really don't like that exchange, at all. vote: faust
And why not?
It doesn't feel right. Can't quite put words to it, so I'll just say my gut.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #484 on: September 15, 2016, 11:31:27 am »

We are at 4-4-4 now.

Two of these wagons are stupid. Mail-mi is easy to read and wasting him now is stupid. faust is a prime NK target and hasn't been remotely scummy.

Can we lynch J Reggie? I mean I wouldn't have a problem with doing a complete switch on Joseph or something, but I do have a problem with the other two.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #485 on: September 15, 2016, 11:33:30 am »

We are at 4-4-4 now.

Two of these wagons are stupid. Mail-mi is easy to read and wasting him now is stupid. faust is a prime NK target and hasn't been remotely scummy.

Can we lynch J Reggie? I mean I wouldn't have a problem with doing a complete switch on Joseph or something, but I do have a problem with the other two.

I do not think mail-mi is easy to read. I read him all along for two days and did not understand he's scum.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #486 on: September 15, 2016, 11:36:17 am »

Can we lynch J Reggie? I mean I wouldn't have a problem with doing a complete switch on Joseph or something, but I do have a problem with the other two.
I don't know, Reggie has been somewhat... unnoticable? I guess that's already scummy for him. But why is he a good lynch?
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« Reply #487 on: September 15, 2016, 11:36:58 am »

And yeah, I don't think I agree that mail-mi is easier to read than Reggie.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #488 on: September 15, 2016, 11:42:03 am »

Can we lynch J Reggie? I mean I wouldn't have a problem with doing a complete switch on Joseph or something, but I do have a problem with the other two.
I don't know, Reggie has been somewhat... unnoticable? I guess that's already scummy for him. But why is he a good lynch?

I pretty much said this. Because the other two are bad lynches.

We are at 4-4-4 now.

Two of these wagons are stupid. Mail-mi is easy to read and wasting him now is stupid. faust is a prime NK target and hasn't been remotely scummy.

Can we lynch J Reggie? I mean I wouldn't have a problem with doing a complete switch on Joseph or something, but I do have a problem with the other two.

I do not think mail-mi is easy to read. I read him all along for two days and did not understand he's scum.

Sure, but you're pretty new, so you might just not have gotten the hang of it yet. Is there anyone you think is easier to read than mail-mi?

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #489 on: September 15, 2016, 11:43:48 am »

We are at 4-4-4 now.

Two of these wagons are stupid. Mail-mi is easy to read and wasting him now is stupid. faust is a prime NK target and hasn't been remotely scummy.

Can we lynch J Reggie? I mean I wouldn't have a problem with doing a complete switch on Joseph or something, but I do have a problem with the other two.

It seems like J Reggie is mislynched often though.

I need to reread tonight.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #490 on: September 15, 2016, 11:46:02 am »

Can we lynch J Reggie? I mean I wouldn't have a problem with doing a complete switch on Joseph or something, but I do have a problem with the other two.
I don't know, Reggie has been somewhat... unnoticable? I guess that's already scummy for him. But why is he a good lynch?

I pretty much said this. Because the other two are bad lynches.
Okay. I kinda hoped there would be more.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #491 on: September 15, 2016, 11:47:09 am »

Can we lynch J Reggie? I mean I wouldn't have a problem with doing a complete switch on Joseph or something, but I do have a problem with the other two.
I don't know, Reggie has been somewhat... unnoticable? I guess that's already scummy for him. But why is he a good lynch?

I pretty much said this. Because the other two are bad lynches.

We are at 4-4-4 now.

Two of these wagons are stupid. Mail-mi is easy to read and wasting him now is stupid. faust is a prime NK target and hasn't been remotely scummy.

Can we lynch J Reggie? I mean I wouldn't have a problem with doing a complete switch on Joseph or something, but I do have a problem with the other two.

I do not think mail-mi is easy to read. I read him all along for two days and did not understand he's scum.

Sure, but you're pretty new, so you might just not have gotten the hang of it yet. Is there anyone you think is easier to read than mail-mi?

It's hard to read everyone for me but somehow people say things I trust. When mail-mi say things I doubt pretty much every letter of it. I don't know if it falls under the term "easiness of reading" :)
Maybe it is all just my impression on his previous games.
Of course I'm not 100% sure but I am pretty confident you are town. Dunno why. It feels like this. It felt like this in Olympics too and I was right.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #492 on: September 15, 2016, 04:30:56 pm »

We are at 4-4-4 now.

Two of these wagons are stupid. Mail-mi is easy to read and wasting him now is stupid. faust is a prime NK target and hasn't been remotely scummy.

Can we lynch J Reggie? I mean I wouldn't have a problem with doing a complete switch on Joseph or something, but I do have a problem with the other two.

Uh I very much disagree with the first point, and disagree also with your second point.

mail-mi is difficult to read.  Especially now when we haven't seen him flip town since he has been back.

faust has been scummy, and him being a prime NK target isn't a reason not to lynch him. 

Why on Joseph!  He is soooooooo town!
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #493 on: September 15, 2016, 04:31:52 pm »

Can we lynch J Reggie? I mean I wouldn't have a problem with doing a complete switch on Joseph or something, but I do have a problem with the other two.
I don't know, Reggie has been somewhat... unnoticable? I guess that's already scummy for him. But why is he a good lynch?

In what ways has he been unnoticeable?  I feel like he has been very present and noticeable.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #494 on: September 15, 2016, 04:37:23 pm »

Can we lynch J Reggie? I mean I wouldn't have a problem with doing a complete switch on Joseph or something, but I do have a problem with the other two.
I don't know, Reggie has been somewhat... unnoticable? I guess that's already scummy for him. But why is he a good lynch?

In what ways has he been unnoticeable?  I feel like he has been very present and noticeable.
In that I don't remember anything from him except that there's a wagon on him.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #495 on: September 15, 2016, 04:38:13 pm »

Why on Joseph!  He is soooooooo town!

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« Reply #496 on: September 15, 2016, 04:42:52 pm »

I realized that my case on J Reggie was based on a vague memory of a previous scum game of his, so I decided to dig up the quote.

It is here: http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=15591.msg624261#msg624261

In Duel Mafia, scum!J Reggie takes a few stabs at scummy looking townies before giving up on having scumreads entirely. Before the end, he just says that he has no useful scumreads and doesn't even believe in the counter-wagon. Of course, in some ways he's being honest. He knew e was town, and had no useful scumreads. Odd though that he wouldn't put the effort in to make a case against e and try to get people off of him.

Anyway, in a non-obvious way, J Reggie's half-hearted stabs at this game and complete lack of pushing the game forward read very similarly to that scum game.

Could I be wrong and he be town? Sure, but I feel better about this case than most D1 cases that I push. I'm definitely not changing my vote.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #497 on: September 15, 2016, 04:45:05 pm »

Man, I'm so conflicted.
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« Reply #498 on: September 15, 2016, 04:47:52 pm »

We are at 4-4-4 now.

Two of these wagons are stupid. Mail-mi is easy to read and wasting him now is stupid. faust is a prime NK target and hasn't been remotely scummy.

Can we lynch J Reggie? I mean I wouldn't have a problem with doing a complete switch on Joseph or something, but I do have a problem with the other two.

Uh I very much disagree with the first point, and disagree also with your second point.

mail-mi is difficult to read.  Especially now when we haven't seen him flip town since he has been back.

faust has been scummy, and him being a prime NK target isn't a reason not to lynch him. 

Why on Joseph!  He is soooooooo town!

Mail-mi being difficult to read isn't a good reason to lynch him, certainly not D1.

And as frustrating as it is, Faust is probably still a bad D1 lynch. He's too helpful as town, and scum will want too much for town to take him off of their hands without having to waste a night kill. He is a mislynch that scum loves to get on.

Can you give more concrete reasons for what I assume is your townread on J Reggie? Your defense of him is of the utmost vagueness.
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« Reply #499 on: September 15, 2016, 04:48:18 pm »

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« Reply #500 on: September 15, 2016, 06:27:34 pm »

Man, I'm so conflicted.
hey. you're the conflict, still.


i'm still inclined to agree with igu at the moment about j reggie. but faust also seems a little odd, like you're talking past people
mail-mi doesn't give me any bad impressions. it feels weird to me that none of the three people in front of the crosshairs seem particularly anxious (faust seems a bit millitant against his voters, maybe) but maybe that's just the way it goes. inexperienced, etc.
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« Reply #501 on: September 15, 2016, 06:29:10 pm »

I realized that my case on J Reggie was based on a vague memory of a previous scum game of his, so I decided to dig up the quote.

It is here: http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=15591.msg624261#msg624261

In Duel Mafia, scum!J Reggie takes a few stabs at scummy looking townies before giving up on having scumreads entirely. Before the end, he just says that he has no useful scumreads and doesn't even believe in the counter-wagon. Of course, in some ways he's being honest. He knew e was town, and had no useful scumreads. Odd though that he wouldn't put the effort in to make a case against e and try to get people off of him.

Anyway, in a non-obvious way, J Reggie's half-hearted stabs at this game and complete lack of pushing the game forward read very similarly to that scum game.

Could I be wrong and he be town? Sure, but I feel better about this case than most D1 cases that I push. I'm definitely not changing my vote.

How have I had a lack of pushing the game forward? I started the wagon on mail-mi. I still think he's scum. And I've been trying to figure Faust out. I think there's a good chance he's scum in this game as well. I get why you think I'm scum for meta reasons. I've been trying not to be the center of attention, which I usually do as town. And look how far that's gotten me.

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« Reply #502 on: September 15, 2016, 06:33:34 pm »

I realized that my case on J Reggie was based on a vague memory of a previous scum game of his, so I decided to dig up the quote.

It is here: http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=15591.msg624261#msg624261

In Duel Mafia, scum!J Reggie takes a few stabs at scummy looking townies before giving up on having scumreads entirely. Before the end, he just says that he has no useful scumreads and doesn't even believe in the counter-wagon. Of course, in some ways he's being honest. He knew e was town, and had no useful scumreads. Odd though that he wouldn't put the effort in to make a case against e and try to get people off of him.

Anyway, in a non-obvious way, J Reggie's half-hearted stabs at this game and complete lack of pushing the game forward read very similarly to that scum game.

Could I be wrong and he be town? Sure, but I feel better about this case than most D1 cases that I push. I'm definitely not changing my vote.

I started the wagon on mail-mi. I still think he's scum.
i'm pretty sure that's a bold-faced lie about bold-faced votes. you were the fifth vote on m-m, and i dunno if you can say that you started the wagon in the context of this post
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #503 on: September 15, 2016, 06:35:30 pm »

I realized that my case on J Reggie was based on a vague memory of a previous scum game of his, so I decided to dig up the quote.

It is here: http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=15591.msg624261#msg624261

In Duel Mafia, scum!J Reggie takes a few stabs at scummy looking townies before giving up on having scumreads entirely. Before the end, he just says that he has no useful scumreads and doesn't even believe in the counter-wagon. Of course, in some ways he's being honest. He knew e was town, and had no useful scumreads. Odd though that he wouldn't put the effort in to make a case against e and try to get people off of him.

Anyway, in a non-obvious way, J Reggie's half-hearted stabs at this game and complete lack of pushing the game forward read very similarly to that scum game.

Could I be wrong and he be town? Sure, but I feel better about this case than most D1 cases that I push. I'm definitely not changing my vote.

I started the wagon on mail-mi. I still think he's scum.
i'm pretty sure that's a bold-faced lie about bold-faced votes. you were the fifth vote on m-m, and i dunno if you can say that you started the wagon in the context of this post

Ok, I was wrong. For some reason I thought I started that wagon. Maybe it was because of interactions we had? Idk, I'll go back and reread when I have time.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #504 on: September 15, 2016, 06:43:32 pm »

Man, I'm so conflicted.
hey. you're the conflict, still
I am the one who knocks.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #505 on: September 15, 2016, 06:47:13 pm »

i'm still inclined to agree with igu at the moment about j reggie. but faust also seems a little odd, like you're talking past people
mail-mi doesn't give me any bad impressions. it feels weird to me that none of the three people in front of the crosshairs seem particularly anxious (faust seems a bit millitant against his voters, maybe) but maybe that's just the way it goes. inexperienced, etc.
It is. I mean, those are some bad votes right there. There's just nothing in terms of reasoning behind them. And I think of the possible wagons right now I am scum's favorite lynch by a large margin.
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« Reply #506 on: September 15, 2016, 06:48:13 pm »

Oh, and I started the mail-mi wagon! Pretty sure that means Reggie must now think I'm townie.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #507 on: September 15, 2016, 06:49:28 pm »

Oh, and I started the mail-mi wagon! Pretty sure that means Reggie must now think I'm townie.

You could be bussing  ;)

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« Reply #508 on: September 15, 2016, 06:50:00 pm »

Oh, and I started the mail-mi wagon! Pretty sure that means Reggie must now think I'm townie.

You could be bussing  ;)
So could you!
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« Reply #509 on: September 15, 2016, 06:50:57 pm »

Oh, and I started the mail-mi wagon! Pretty sure that means Reggie must now think I'm townie.
well, to be fair. i was the first vote
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« Reply #510 on: September 15, 2016, 06:53:04 pm »

Oh, and I started the mail-mi wagon! Pretty sure that means Reggie must now think I'm townie.
well, to be fair. i was the first vote
True. But you voted, nothing happened. I voted, a wagon formed. Which isn't your fault really, people just like sheeping me a lot more than sheeping a newbie.
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« Reply #511 on: September 15, 2016, 06:55:59 pm »

Oh, and I started the mail-mi wagon! Pretty sure that means Reggie must now think I'm townie.
well, to be fair. i was the first vote
True. But you voted, nothing happened. I voted, a wagon formed. Which isn't your fault really, people just like sheeping me a lot more than sheeping a newbie.
i would assert that people only voted with you because you're scum or something except the first one was igu and well i'm sheeping him (sorta) at the moment
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #512 on: September 15, 2016, 07:01:46 pm »

Oh, and I started the mail-mi wagon! Pretty sure that means Reggie must now think I'm townie.

You could be bussing  ;)
So could you!

Or both of you. That could be really cool gambit: having you both and mail-mi scums in this game.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #513 on: September 15, 2016, 07:13:47 pm »


And as frustrating as it is, Faust is probably still a bad D1 lynch. He's too helpful as town, and scum will want too much for town to take him off of their hands without having to waste a night kill. He is a mislynch that scum loves to get on.

I am scum's favorite lynch by a large margin.

You could always credit your sources when you're paraphrasing something I just said ^^
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« Reply #514 on: September 15, 2016, 07:15:21 pm »

Oh, and I started the mail-mi wagon! Pretty sure that means Reggie must now think I'm townie.
well, to be fair. i was the first vote
True. But you voted, nothing happened. I voted, a wagon formed. Which isn't your fault really, people just like sheeping me a lot more than sheeping a newbie.
i would assert that people only voted with you because you're scum or something except the first one was igu and well i'm sheeping him (sorta) at the moment

Wagons!
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« Reply #515 on: September 15, 2016, 07:21:06 pm »

Oh, and I started the mail-mi wagon! Pretty sure that means Reggie must now think I'm townie.
well, to be fair. i was the first vote
True. But you voted, nothing happened. I voted, a wagon formed. Which isn't your fault really, people just like sheeping me a lot more than sheeping a newbie.
i would assert that people only voted with you because you're scum or something except the first one was igu and well i'm sheeping him (sorta) at the moment

Wagons!
yes. there are three of them in fact
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« Reply #516 on: September 15, 2016, 07:23:27 pm »

J Reggie is probably a good one of those.

"Beep."
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« Reply #517 on: September 15, 2016, 07:29:06 pm »

Sorry guys.  Today is really busy and I probably won't get back to this game until tomorrow.
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« Reply #518 on: September 15, 2016, 07:57:41 pm »

faust has been scummy, and him being a prime NK target isn't a reason not to lynch him.

Wrong. Of course that is a reason. Being a prime NK target means scum wants you dead more which means lynching you is worse

And it also means that you are automatically suspicious if you live longer, thus information helps with the case.

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« Reply #519 on: September 15, 2016, 07:58:14 pm »

that last sentence didn't make sense. I meant to say that time automatically helps with the case.

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« Reply #520 on: September 15, 2016, 08:13:04 pm »

Huh, I'm still not understanding the J Reggie wagon at all, even though I think a bunch of strong people are backing it. I'm unlikely to move my vote there unless someone can break the case down into newbie-speak for me.

Faust's tone in his posts from earlier today seems oddly hostile and defensive, which makes me lean a bit more scum-wards on him than my reads yesterday.

@Iguana: what are your reasons for thinking that Mail-mi is a town? I feel like he's at least a bit scummy.
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« Reply #521 on: September 15, 2016, 08:32:21 pm »

By the way, what has SpaceAnemone done in this game?  They have 19 (I think?) posts, most of which are jokes.

Is this ii's way of getting back at me for Fruit Ninja?

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« Reply #522 on: September 15, 2016, 08:36:10 pm »

Faust's tone in his posts from earlier today seems oddly hostile and defensive.

These are the words I was looking for to describe my read on faust. Thanks SA.
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« Reply #523 on: September 15, 2016, 08:57:50 pm »

By the way, what has SpaceAnemone done in this game?  They have 19 (I think?) posts, most of which are jokes.

I'd just used up all of my free time (and several hours of hours of sleep!) trying to prove my innocence to Gkrieg in Haddock's BSG game, where Mail-mi was doing an unfortunately skilled scum job of making people vote for me :-(

Anyway, at least I've posted my reads on everyone, which ate up all of yesterday's free time. I'd find it quite helpful if more people posted complete lists too.

Now I'm reading f.ds an hour after I absolutely had to be asleep today... so that's not so good. More tomorrow :-P
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« Reply #524 on: September 15, 2016, 09:33:39 pm »

I'm getting more towny on J Reggie. Actually let's unvote
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« Reply #525 on: September 15, 2016, 09:48:19 pm »

I'm getting more towny on J Reggie. Actually let's unvote

You always do this : (
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« Reply #526 on: September 15, 2016, 09:48:37 pm »

I'm getting more towny on J Reggie. Actually let's unvote

You always do this : (
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« Reply #527 on: September 15, 2016, 09:49:41 pm »

By the way, what has SpaceAnemone done in this game?  They have 19 (I think?) posts, most of which are jokes.

Is this ii's way of getting back at me for Fruit Ninja?

I hold no grudges toward you for any game. You had a great performance in Fruit Ninja. I'm just about 40% sure that you're scum and your flopping around helplessly has made me about 2% more sure.
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« Reply #528 on: September 15, 2016, 09:50:08 pm »

I'm getting more towny on J Reggie. Actually let's unvote

You always do this : (
Do what?

Unvote close to the deadline when you notice that your vote actually matters.
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« Reply #529 on: September 15, 2016, 09:50:42 pm »

I'm getting more towny on J Reggie. Actually let's unvote

You always do this : (
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Unvote close to the deadline when you notice that your vote actually matters.
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« Reply #530 on: September 15, 2016, 09:53:22 pm »

I'm getting more towny on J Reggie. Actually let's unvote

You always do this : (
Do what?

Unvote close to the deadline when you notice that your vote actually matters.
Hold on, buster! This time I didn't realize that my vote mattered or that we're close to the deadline!

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #531 on: September 15, 2016, 09:56:54 pm »

Ha we lost that game though
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« Reply #532 on: September 15, 2016, 10:44:35 pm »

Ha we lost that game though

Maybe not if you had kept your vote on him!
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #533 on: September 15, 2016, 10:54:54 pm »

By the way, what has SpaceAnemone done in this game?  They have 19 (I think?) posts, most of which are jokes.

Is this ii's way of getting back at me for Fruit Ninja?

I hold no grudges toward you for any game. You had a great performance in Fruit Ninja. I'm just about 40% sure that you're scum and your flopping around helplessly has made me about 2% more sure.

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« Reply #534 on: September 15, 2016, 10:57:18 pm »

By the way, what has SpaceAnemone done in this game?  They have 19 (I think?) posts, most of which are jokes.

Is this ii's way of getting back at me for Fruit Ninja?

I hold no grudges toward you for any game. You had a great performance in Fruit Ninja. I'm just about 40% sure that you're scum and your flopping around helplessly has made me about 2% more sure.

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« Reply #535 on: September 15, 2016, 11:25:10 pm »

By the way, what has SpaceAnemone done in this game?  They have 19 (I think?) posts, most of which are jokes.

Is this ii's way of getting back at me for Fruit Ninja?

I hold no grudges toward you for any game. You had a great performance in Fruit Ninja. I'm just about 40% sure that you're scum and your flopping around helplessly has made me about 2% more sure.

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Ok, good point. But I guess I do it as town as well, as evidenced by here. And like all of my other town games so far.

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« Reply #536 on: September 15, 2016, 11:30:56 pm »

alright, here is my stream of consciousness post for my reread.

gkreig is probably town, not gonna explain why right now.

hmm. on second glance, lalight could easily be trying too hard to emulate his town game from olympics. slight scum.

joseph comes in with a random RVS vote after real stuff has happened. Slight scum, but it seems like just a joseph thing to do.

I like J Reggie's first vote on faust. Joseph is an easy mislynch. town on J reggie, scum on faust.

J reggie is getting townier.

I'm not sure what to think of lalight, now. hrm.

agreeing with gkreig on faust in 247 and 249.

joseph hops on faust. eh, null? idk.

schadd just keeps being schadd. I have no idea if he is scum or not. 100% null.

RR is quiet. Is that normal? Don't think so, i think he'd post more one-liners and stuff. slight scum.

RR only has town reads, he says. I tend to think that's slightly scummy, because scum knows that everyone else is town, and can have a hard time coming up with reasons to think someone else is scum. so slightly scummy.

WW is WW, which is to say, comletely null. I like lalight's reads on him, tho, since lalight doesn't know meta. lalight is now townier.

iguana is townie-ish.

faust's "you're voting me for bad reasons, here's the right reason to be voting for me" is scummy. also, i agree with iguana's point in 372. I'm not really getting any scumreads on people except faust.

so I just actually read paris mafia, and he wasn't as fluffy there as he was here. And that other one was a town!faust game. not sure if it makes him more likely town or more likely scum.

where is SA? They were pretty active in BSG and Olympics (while they were alive) but here, even after BSG has ended, they're still missing. That's scummy.

oh, there they are. Huh. They still seem different than before. anyone willing to vote SA?

faust being fluffy and hostile and defensive. (thanks for the right words again, SA. even though I have a scum read on you.) seems scummy. 

okay, that's the game. let me get a reads post up.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #537 on: September 15, 2016, 11:33:13 pm »

1. Witherweaver--eh, null, maybe a bit scummy? but mostly null.
2. LaLight--nullish-townie. needs looking at later tho
3. silverspawn--is silverspawn. So kinda townie.
4. gkrieg13--town.
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6. Roadrunner7671--scummy for absence.
7. Joseph2302--is joseph. null.
8. SpaceAnemone--scummy.
9. J Reggie--is actually pretty townie, I think.
10. schadd--is schadd. null.
11. iguanaiguana--townie.
12. mail-mi--is mail-mi. town.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #538 on: September 16, 2016, 01:34:54 am »

1. Witherweaver--eh, null, maybe a bit scummy? but mostly null.
2. LaLight--nullish-townie. needs looking at later tho
3. silverspawn--is silverspawn. So kinda townie.
4. gkrieg13--town.
5. faust--scum for reasons I've posted.
6. Roadrunner7671--scummy for absence.
7. Joseph2302--is joseph. null.
8. SpaceAnemone--scummy.
9. J Reggie--is actually pretty townie, I think.
10. schadd--is schadd. null.
11. iguanaiguana--townie.
12. mail-mi--is mail-mi. town.

unvote. Good points and good town play. If you're scum again, I'm gonna put an altar to my room with Pawn photo and pray every night to the god of mafia which is you. I don't see how can you be a scum with so townish posts. Or can you?

And also, you kinda convinced me. vote: faust. Though I don't really like Joseph's play, don't think it's town and know nothing about SpaceA. 
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #539 on: September 16, 2016, 02:28:46 am »

Faust's tone in his posts from earlier today seems oddly hostile and defensive, which makes me lean a bit more scum-wards on him than my reads yesterday.

Why? I mean mabe you don't like my tone, I get that, but why would scum!me be particularly hostile?
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« Reply #540 on: September 16, 2016, 03:07:30 am »

1. Witherweaver--eh, null, maybe a bit scummy? but mostly null.
2. LaLight--nullish-townie. needs looking at later tho
3. silverspawn--is silverspawn. So kinda townie.
4. gkrieg13--town.
5. faust--scum for reasons I've posted.
6. Roadrunner7671--scummy for absence.
7. Joseph2302--is joseph. null.
8. SpaceAnemone--scummy.
9. J Reggie--is actually pretty townie, I think.
10. schadd--is schadd. null.
11. iguanaiguana--townie.
12. mail-mi--is mail-mi. town.

unvote. Good points and good town play. If you're scum again, I'm gonna put an altar to my room with Pawn photo and pray every night to the god of mafia which is you. I don't see how can you be a scum with so townish posts. Or can you?

It is a very real possibility, yes. About as big as the a-priori one I'd say.

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« Reply #541 on: September 16, 2016, 03:15:47 am »

1. Witherweaver--eh, null, maybe a bit scummy? but mostly null.
2. LaLight--nullish-townie. needs looking at later tho
3. silverspawn--is silverspawn. So kinda townie.
4. gkrieg13--town.
5. faust--scum for reasons I've posted.
6. Roadrunner7671--scummy for absence.
7. Joseph2302--is joseph. null.
8. SpaceAnemone--scummy.
9. J Reggie--is actually pretty townie, I think.
10. schadd--is schadd. null.
11. iguanaiguana--townie.
12. mail-mi--is mail-mi. town.

unvote. Good points and good town play. If you're scum again, I'm gonna put an altar to my room with Pawn photo and pray every night to the god of mafia which is you. I don't see how can you be a scum with so townish posts. Or can you?

It is a very real possibility, yes. About as big as the a-priori one I'd say.

What is? Him being a scum or town?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #542 on: September 16, 2016, 03:19:40 am »

well, I meant him being scum, but it's true for both.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #543 on: September 16, 2016, 03:20:39 am »

I don't think anything about that post is particularly townie. Stream-of-consciousness rereads aren't that hard to fabricate.

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« Reply #544 on: September 16, 2016, 03:24:45 am »

I don't think anything about that post is particularly townie. Stream-of-consciousness rereads aren't that hard to fabricate.

Ok, I'll reconsider. Thank you! What is your biggest scumread now?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #545 on: September 16, 2016, 03:32:36 am »

uh, I wish I had a good answer to that. Gun to my head it's SA or RR based on not that much.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #546 on: September 16, 2016, 03:41:06 am »

uh, I wish I had a good answer to that. Gun to my head it's SA or RR based on not that much.

What do you think about Joseph and JReggie?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #547 on: September 16, 2016, 03:59:41 am »

townie based on his no-nonsense direct responses and challenges to people suspecting him (but I'm wary because this can be faked); and null.

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« Reply #548 on: September 16, 2016, 04:01:53 am »

I don't know what to think about RR here. If someone is unnoticeable, it's him.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #549 on: September 16, 2016, 04:07:59 am »

I wouldn't at all be surprised if our three wagons are T/T/T

if you want to start a CfD on RR, I'd be in.

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« Reply #550 on: September 16, 2016, 04:08:54 am »

I don't know what to think about RR here. If someone is unnoticeable, it's him.
Which is the exact opposite of every other RR game
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« Reply #551 on: September 16, 2016, 04:14:09 am »

I wouldn't at all be surprised if our three wagons are T/T/T

if you want to start a CfD on RR, I'd be in.

I don't know what is CfD. Wagon?
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« Reply #552 on: September 16, 2016, 04:17:32 am »

I actually also don't know what the letters stand for

It means starting an out-of-nowhere wagon on someone close to the deadline and getting him lynched instead of the current wagons. Good if the current wagons aren't.

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« Reply #553 on: September 16, 2016, 04:19:06 am »

I actually also don't know what the letters stand for

It means starting an out-of-nowhere wagon on someone close to the deadline and getting him lynched instead of the current wagons. Good if the current wagons aren't.

okay, I'm in. wanna listen to him.

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« Reply #554 on: September 16, 2016, 04:20:26 am »

cool! vote: RR

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #555 on: September 16, 2016, 04:48:30 am »

Vote Count 1.10:

J Reggie (3): Witherweaver, iguanaiguana, schadd
mail-mi (4): J Reggie, faust, SpaceAnemone, gkrieg13
faust (2): Joseph2302, mail-mi
RoadRunner7671 (2): LaLight, silverspawn

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #556 on: September 16, 2016, 06:10:48 am »

By the way, what has SpaceAnemone done in this game?  They have 19 (I think?) posts, most of which are jokes.

Is this ii's way of getting back at me for Fruit Ninja?

I hold no grudges toward you for any game. You had a great performance in Fruit Ninja. I'm just about 40% sure that you're scum and your flopping around helplessly has made me about 2% more sure.

Why do you think flopping around helplessly makes me scum?

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Ok, good point. But I guess I do it as town as well, as evidenced by here. And like all of my other town games so far.

I haven't seen you do it as town in a demonstrable way to the same extent.

I really don't understand why you don't just make a case, or do a reread, or even just go after another player. You have so many resources and as town the only thing you know is that it's not you. So why not make use of your resources?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #557 on: September 16, 2016, 06:11:43 am »

I don't like going after RR D1, for similar but opposite reasons that I don't like going after Faust. At least, not today. He gets a D1 pass from me.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #558 on: September 16, 2016, 06:49:58 am »

I wouldn't at all be surprised if our three wagons are T/T/T

if you want to start a CfD on RR, I'd be in.

I don't know what is CfD. Wagon?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #559 on: September 16, 2016, 08:56:35 am »

I don't like going after RR D1, for similar but opposite reasons that I don't like going after Faust. At least, not today. He gets a D1 pass from me.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #560 on: September 16, 2016, 08:58:22 am »

Worth noting: a majority (7) isn't needed to lynch.
The person with most votes at deadline dies.
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« Reply #561 on: September 16, 2016, 09:01:35 am »

I don't like going after RR D1, for similar but opposite reasons that I don't like going after Faust. At least, not today. He gets a D1 pass from me.
I don't like D1 lynching RR again.
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« Reply #562 on: September 16, 2016, 09:05:02 am »

Just as a reminder, I'm going to be V/la this weekend (I'll post in that thread too but this is the game it matters most for).  So if you're going to form another wagon on me, please do it while I still have the chance to claim.  I'd be sad to come back and see I'd been mislynched. 

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« Reply #563 on: September 16, 2016, 09:06:57 am »

I'll do it. vote: RR
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« Reply #564 on: September 16, 2016, 09:08:30 am »

The RR wagon makes a little more sense because it has a reason, but I still feel like it's probably just trying to get an easy mislynch through.  If someone can make a better case than just "he's been absent", I'll consider it.

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« Reply #565 on: September 16, 2016, 09:11:18 am »

I really don't understand why you don't just make a case, or do a reread, or even just go after another player. You have so many resources and as town the only thing you know is that it's not you. So why not make use of your resources?

I'm not really good at the first two things when I'm town, especially D1.  Well I could do a reread if I had time but not much would come from it. 

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« Reply #566 on: September 16, 2016, 09:12:22 am »

I really don't understand why you don't just make a case, or do a reread, or even just go after another player. You have so many resources and as town the only thing you know is that it's not you. So why not make use of your resources?

I'm not really good at the first two things when I'm town, especially D1.  Well I could do a reread if I had time but not much would come from it.

Um, extreme quote fail, hopefully you know what I mean.

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« Reply #567 on: September 16, 2016, 09:12:43 am »

Aaaaa what's happening to my quotes!?

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« Reply #568 on: September 16, 2016, 09:14:30 am »

Ok now I see what I did wrong.

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« Reply #569 on: September 16, 2016, 09:17:27 am »

The RR wagon makes a little more sense because it has a reason, but I still feel like it's probably just trying to get an easy mislynch through.  If someone can make a better case than just "he's been absent", I'll consider it.

"Look how towny I am for not supporting an alternate lynch! But I will support it if you give me a reason so that I will look better!"

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« Reply #570 on: September 16, 2016, 09:18:17 am »

yknow what, back to vote: J Reggie

I reread RR and he's lurky and hedgy but neither of that is a scum tell for him. It's just a null-lynch which is fine if other choices are all towny, but now J Reggie is actually scummy.

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« Reply #571 on: September 16, 2016, 09:20:54 am »

yknow what, back to vote: J Reggie

I reread RR and he's lurky and hedgy but neither of that is a scum tell for him. It's just a null-lynch which is fine if other choices are all towny, but now J Reggie is actually scummy.

I don't want to look like your personal sheep, but I agree now. vote: JReggie
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« Reply #572 on: September 16, 2016, 09:24:50 am »

and one more, guys. Deadline is 9.20 am my time. I will go to sleep 7 or 8 hours before that and then I'll not wake up at such early time, because it's Saturday. If anyone wants to explain why he's innocent and concerns about my vote, please, do this in 10 hours from now. Thanks.
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« Reply #573 on: September 16, 2016, 09:31:45 am »

where is SA? They were pretty active in BSG and Olympics (while they were alive) but here, even after BSG has ended, they're still missing. That's scummy.

Seriously, Mail-mi? I was quiet early in the BSG game, and scum!you basically started tunnelling town!me from that point on. So now I feel even more strongly that you sound scummy here.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #574 on: September 16, 2016, 09:32:48 am »

Ok, I'm going to try one of those big reread things, since I'm on a computer for once.  I'll reread mail-mi to see why I'm scumreading him and why I thought I started his wagon.

WW, Lalight: townie.
J Reggie is bad for suggesting a claim. WW is baaaaad for suggesting a flavor claim.

Already misconstruing my posts.  I thought I made it pretty obvious that I was suggesting something useless.  I think this I why I thought I started the wagon on him, because it stemmed from interactions we had early on. 

What's my other stuff?

Mostly the interaction with faust. If it's town/scum, I think you're most likely to be the scum one.

and if it's scum/scum, well then both of you are the scum ones.

Then, there was this whole thing, which is what prompted Faust to vote for mail-mi.  Yeah, that's definitely why I thought it was I who started the wagon.  Town doesn't really use this kind of logic. 

That wagon picked up awfully quickly!

Care to join?

The wagon has both silver and me on it; you basically can't go wrong.
I'd rather talk to mail-mi first. Recently he has seemed scummy to me, but I realized that's because he's a good scum player but our first game together was a scum game for him, so now mail-mi always is scummy

@mail-mi: do you agree?

uh no. I'm not a good player, like, at all.

Will respond to votes later, I have work.

Obviously you are a very good scum player.

What's my other stuff?

Mostly the interaction with faust. If it's town/scum, I think you're most likely to be the scum one.

and if it's scum/scum, well then both of you are the scum ones.

Man, I have been holding back, but vote: mail-mi. One does not think "oh, this is not two towns fighting" first and then uses that to deduce that someone is likely scum; it works the other wa around.

Your "fight" seemed very faked. I am not absolutely certain that one of you is scum, but it's good enough for a day 1 vote. And I think it's the only notable thing that's happened for me? I don't really remember anything else.

Well I expect d his reaction to not be as calm for one.

It's just a game, I'm not gonna get worked up about it.
agreed. Intent to hammer

Well. I'm a VT.

I guess slight town for the claim, scum doesn't want to lock themselves into a fake claim D1.  But he kind of had to do it, and VT is the safest claim.  I mean, I suppose he could claim like 1-shot doc or something but whatever. 


Then, there's the whole "faust is fluffy" thing.  It's early to say this, but this really feel like he's bussing a partner.  I think faust has been pretty scummy this game, but it has nothing to do with "fluff". 


So, as far as D1 reads go, I feel pretty confident that mail-mi is scum.  I should do this "big rereads" thing more often, it was pretty fun!

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« Reply #575 on: September 16, 2016, 09:33:51 am »

yknow what, back to vote: J Reggie

I reread RR and he's lurky and hedgy but neither of that is a scum tell for him. It's just a null-lynch which is fine if other choices are all towny, but now J Reggie is actually scummy.

What? What about me is "actually scummy"?

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« Reply #576 on: September 16, 2016, 09:40:35 am »

yknow what, back to vote: J Reggie

I reread RR and he's lurky and hedgy but neither of that is a scum tell for him. It's just a null-lynch which is fine if other choices are all towny, but now J Reggie is actually scummy.

What? What about me is "actually scummy"?

This:

The RR wagon makes a little more sense because it has a reason, but I still feel like it's probably just trying to get an easy mislynch through.  If someone can make a better case than just "he's been absent", I'll consider it.

"Look how towny I am for not supporting an alternate lynch! But I will support it if you give me a reason so that I will look better!"

I was doing wagon on RR just so he would tell anything, cause I don't have much info on him. It's not "trying to lynch because he's 100% scum" wagon, it's "he's absent, so let's look isn't it the scumminess-absence" wagon. No real point to "get an easy mislynch". If I'm getting this correctly, Silver had the same point.
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« Reply #577 on: September 16, 2016, 09:53:31 am »

Vote Count 1.11:

J Reggie (5): Witherweaver, iguanaiguana, schadd, silverspawn, LaLight
mail-mi (4): J Reggie, faust, SpaceAnemone, gkrieg13
faust (1): Joseph2302
RoadRunner7671 (1): mail-mi

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #578 on: September 16, 2016, 09:53:59 am »

Then, there's the whole "faust is fluffy" thing.  It's early to say this, but this really feel like he's bussing a partner.  I think faust has been pretty scummy this game, but it has nothing to do with "fluff".
So what does it have to do with?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #579 on: September 16, 2016, 09:55:12 am »

I don't really feel strongly about mail-mi vs J Reggie, but the Reggie wagon looks a lot townier.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #580 on: September 16, 2016, 09:55:43 am »

So Vote: J Reggie L-1.

While you're still here.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #581 on: September 16, 2016, 09:58:47 am »

intent to hammer
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« Reply #582 on: September 16, 2016, 10:02:31 am »

Please don't hammer me. I'm just a VT but I think I finally have good reads and I don't want it to all go to waste. I don't know, what else do you want me to say in my defence?

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« Reply #583 on: September 16, 2016, 10:03:43 am »

I'll get a reads list together if that would help. I guess I could still do that in twilight but ash might close the thread.

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« Reply #584 on: September 16, 2016, 10:04:09 am »

Please don't hammer me. I'm just a VT but I think I finally have good reads and I don't want it to all go to waste. I don't know, what else do you want me to say in my defence?

Could you summarize those reads here?
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« Reply #585 on: September 16, 2016, 10:14:56 am »

Ok, just going through the player list:

Witherweaver - not so sure here, I have trouble reading WW in general.  Seemed scummy early on but I think that's probably just a lens I'm seeing him through.
LaLight - I've been giving him a D1 pass, but I'm still suspicious about his SK hunting and the way he handled putting mail-mi at L-1. 
silverspawn - seems his usual towny self.  I'm actually strangely confident about this one
4. gkrieg13 - is very towny, but I don't think I've played a game where he's scum.  In fact, I think the only game I read where he was scum was Fanfic Mafia and he was towny there.  So uh, let's look at him tomorrow?
5. faust - trying to start easy wagons, misconstruing people's posts to make them sound scummy.  I didn't like his interaction with gkrieg about the "tell me my scum meta" thing
6. Roadrunner7671 - hard to read, since he's in high school and that takes up a lot of time.  Achoo.  I just sneezed. 
7. Joseph2302 - is joseph!joseph.  Probably town.  by the way, did he claim scum yet this game?
8. SpaceAnemone - has been pretty absent, with a lot of jokey posts early on.  I'm suspicious but not enough to start a wagon today.  If they continue like this we should lynch them fo sho. 
9. J Reggie - towny, despite what everyone says.  This is the only one I'm 100% sure on.  Would not lynch.
10. schadd - confusing.  could actually be scum but I'm giving him a D1 pass
11. iguanaiguana - seems like town!ii.  Would not lynch
12. mail-mi - scummy.  would lynch

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« Reply #586 on: September 16, 2016, 10:15:53 am »

Oops I left some of the numbers in there.  Well, now you know I quoted mod-provided info, maybe I'll get mod-killed. 

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« Reply #587 on: September 16, 2016, 10:16:52 am »

That was informative for me as well as for you.  I probably need to do that more often as well. 

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« Reply #588 on: September 16, 2016, 10:19:03 am »

yknow what, back to vote: J Reggie

I reread RR and he's lurky and hedgy but neither of that is a scum tell for him. It's just a null-lynch which is fine if other choices are all towny, but now J Reggie is actually scummy.

What? What about me is "actually scummy"?

This:

The RR wagon makes a little more sense because it has a reason, but I still feel like it's probably just trying to get an easy mislynch through.  If someone can make a better case than just "he's been absent", I'll consider it.

"Look how towny I am for not supporting an alternate lynch! But I will support it if you give me a reason so that I will look better!"

I was doing wagon on RR just so he would tell anything, cause I don't have much info on him. It's not "trying to lynch because he's 100% scum" wagon, it's "he's absent, so let's look isn't it the scumminess-absence" wagon. No real point to "get an easy mislynch". If I'm getting this correctly, Silver had the same point.

Is this a big part of why people want to lynch me?  Because I resisted two of the easiest mislynches and people think I'm doing it for towncred?  I've read too many games where these guys were mislynched and I want to prevent that from happening. 

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« Reply #589 on: September 16, 2016, 10:20:34 am »

12. mail-mi - scummy.  would lynch

Why is Mail-Mi scummy?
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« Reply #590 on: September 16, 2016, 10:21:02 am »

Or more to the point, why was he the only one in your list without some explanation?
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« Reply #591 on: September 16, 2016, 10:23:13 am »

12. mail-mi - scummy.  would lynch

Why is Mail-Mi scummy?

Or more to the point, why was he the only one in your list without some explanation?

Is this not enough reason?

(big post about why I think mail-mi is scum)

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« Reply #592 on: September 16, 2016, 10:32:45 am »

Okay, I had been skimming the last couple of pages.
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« Reply #593 on: September 16, 2016, 10:35:31 am »

I kind of don't think scum!Mail-Mi claims VT here.
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« Reply #594 on: September 16, 2016, 10:35:59 am »

I kind of don't think scum!Mail-Mi claims VT here.

why's that

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« Reply #595 on: September 16, 2016, 10:36:47 am »

I kind of don't think scum!Mail-Mi claims VT here.

Does that mean you don't think I'm scum either?

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« Reply #596 on: September 16, 2016, 10:43:47 am »

Vote: mail-mi
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« Reply #597 on: September 16, 2016, 10:44:25 am »

Faust isn't happening, and I really think JReggie is town.
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« Reply #598 on: September 16, 2016, 10:45:46 am »

I kind of don't think scum!Mail-Mi claims VT here.

Does that mean you don't think I'm scum either?

No, I think Mail-Mi in particular is someone that's more likely to claim a PR, like Robz, Ash, others.  Though it's possible I'm misappropriating here, I don't remember his scum games.  But he's a mod/setup/theory type, so he'd think more on setup implications.  Well, I suppose with this setup there are other things to consider.
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« Reply #599 on: September 16, 2016, 10:51:04 am »

Vote Count 1.12:

J Reggie (6): Witherweaver, iguanaiguana, schadd, silverspawn, LaLight, faust
mail-mi (4): J Reggie, SpaceAnemone, gkrieg13, Joseph2302
RoadRunner7671 (1): mail-mi

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« Reply #600 on: September 16, 2016, 11:11:43 am »

Eh. mail-mi is kinda scummier. Those last couple of posts from Reggie seemed mor eon the towny side. Vote: mail-mi
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« Reply #601 on: September 16, 2016, 11:16:47 am »

Sure I guess I'm okay with either

Vote: Mail-Mi

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« Reply #602 on: September 16, 2016, 11:26:18 am »

Sure I guess I'm okay with either

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« Reply #603 on: September 16, 2016, 11:28:53 am »

well, as I said before I'm quite comfortable with mail-mi lynch. Same with JReggie. Intent to hammer
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« Reply #604 on: September 16, 2016, 11:29:00 am »

Meh.

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« Reply #605 on: September 16, 2016, 11:29:39 am »

I'm afraid mail-mi will flip town and then I'll get NKd as the least suspicious person and will be out of the game :(

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« Reply #606 on: September 16, 2016, 11:31:22 am »

I'm afraid mail-mi will flip town and then I'll get NKd as the least suspicious person and will be out of the game :(

I think Doctor now knows this too ;)
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« Reply #607 on: September 16, 2016, 11:38:06 am »

I'm afraid mail-mi will flip town and then I'll get NKd as the least suspicious person and will be out of the game :(

I think Doctor now knows this too ;)

Well we can lynch Silverspawn, then it's non issue.

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« Reply #608 on: September 16, 2016, 11:40:39 am »

I kind of don't think scum!Mail-Mi claims VT here.

Does that mean you don't think I'm scum either?

No, I think Mail-Mi in particular is someone that's more likely to claim a PR, like Robz, Ash, others.  Though it's possible I'm misappropriating here, I don't remember his scum games.  But he's a mod/setup/theory type, so he'd think more on setup implications.  Well, I suppose with this setup there are other things to consider.

He claimed a too-weak PR as scum in the BSG game that's just finished, but that was pretty late in the game. In this one, won't the people claiming VT still be able to argue quite strongly later on that they actually have PRs they just didn't want to out so early, without just getting lynched?

I did a derp!newbie VT claim quite early in the BSG game, and Mail-mi was one of the first people to jump on me for it.
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« Reply #609 on: September 16, 2016, 11:55:36 am »

where is SA? They were pretty active in BSG and Olympics (while they were alive) but here, even after BSG has ended, they're still missing. That's scummy.

Seriously, Mail-mi? I was quiet early in the BSG game, and scum!you basically started tunnelling town!me from that point on. So now I feel even more strongly that you sound scummy here.

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Haven't read anything past this.
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« Reply #610 on: September 16, 2016, 12:00:08 pm »

I'm afraid mail-mi will flip town and then I'll get NKd as the least suspicious person and will be out of the game :(

I think Doctor now knows this too ;)

Well we can lynch Silverspawn, then it's non issue.

I'd actually be for a Silverpawn lynch based on that post.

I have a better idea

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« Reply #611 on: September 16, 2016, 12:00:22 pm »

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« Reply #612 on: September 16, 2016, 12:00:46 pm »

Oh, I'm up for lynch. Well then.

Guys, I am a VT. And I really don't like that I'm the "guess he's okay" lynch. That always leads to a mislynch (in this case, I know that it does.
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« Reply #613 on: September 16, 2016, 12:01:12 pm »

well. Good thing we're back to tradition, then. :P
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« Reply #614 on: September 16, 2016, 12:01:26 pm »

Oh, I'm up for lynch. Well then.

Guys, I am a VT. And I really don't like that I'm the "guess he's okay" lynch. That always leads to a mislynch (in this case, I know that it does.

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« Reply #615 on: September 16, 2016, 12:01:32 pm »

Eh. mail-mi is kinda scummier. Those last couple of posts from Reggie seemed mor eon the towny side. Vote: mail-mi

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« Reply #616 on: September 16, 2016, 12:02:30 pm »

I'm afraid mail-mi will flip town and then I'll get NKd as the least suspicious person and will be out of the game :(

I think Doctor now knows this too ;)

Well we can lynch Silverspawn, then it's non issue.

I'd actually be for a Silverpawn lynch based on that post.

Definitely agree with this.
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« Reply #617 on: September 16, 2016, 12:02:56 pm »

Oh, I'm up for lynch. Well then.

Guys, I am a VT. And I really don't like that I'm the "guess he's okay" lynch. That always leads to a mislynch (in this case, I know that it does.

Start a wagon!

I'm dead.

Look at Faust guys. J Reggie is probably town. Don't lynch gkreig ever.
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« Reply #618 on: September 16, 2016, 12:03:57 pm »

that's too bad. Doesn't surprise me though.

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« Reply #619 on: September 16, 2016, 12:08:09 pm »

Oh, I'm up for lynch. Well then.

Guys, I am a VT. And I really don't like that I'm the "guess he's okay" lynch. That always leads to a mislynch (in this case, I know that it does.

Start a wagon!

I'm dead.

Look at Faust guys. J Reggie is probably town. Don't lynch gkreig ever.

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« Reply #620 on: September 16, 2016, 12:08:39 pm »

And by we, I mean half of the rest of you.
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« Reply #621 on: September 16, 2016, 12:08:56 pm »

don't be too sure. faust was on the mislynch

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« Reply #622 on: September 16, 2016, 12:09:18 pm »

probably the one who decided between Reggie and mail-mi

Of course, they could both be town.

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« Reply #623 on: September 16, 2016, 12:12:40 pm »

Hmmmm totally missed that hammer post.
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« Reply #624 on: September 16, 2016, 12:14:01 pm »

Hmmmm totally missed that hammer post.

Well, he didn't say he was hammering. I'm kind of waiting to see if I've missed something.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #625 on: September 16, 2016, 12:14:29 pm »

Eh. mail-mi is kinda scummier. Those last couple of posts from Reggie seemed mor eon the towny side. Vote: mail-mi

What made it more on the townie side?

Hmm... he seemed to be genuinely trying to stay off "easy" mislynches. Like, that read like it's why he played that way.
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« Reply #626 on: September 16, 2016, 12:15:41 pm »

probably the one who decided between Reggie and mail-mi

Of course, they could both be town.

Or mail-mi could be scum. He's not the kind of player to necessarily claim their alignment here, especially when a longer twilight can be expected.
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« Reply #627 on: September 16, 2016, 12:17:17 pm »

Wow I honestly thought that was a fake hammer. 

I don't know what that hammer sequence means.  Three people switching so quickly when deadline isn't that close.  No intent to hammer from silver

Of the three that switched, what made you switch?  I had intent to hammer and everything, and I don't think J Reggie's posts were townier.

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« Reply #628 on: September 16, 2016, 12:18:24 pm »

Eh. mail-mi is kinda scummier. Those last couple of posts from Reggie seemed mor eon the towny side. Vote: mail-mi

What made it more on the townie side?

Hmm... he seemed to be genuinely trying to stay off "easy" mislynches. Like, that read like it's why he played that way.

Wouldn't it be scummier if you are trying to stay off of "easy" mislynches?  Huge town grab if an easy person gets mislynched and you were advocating against their mislynch
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« Reply #629 on: September 16, 2016, 12:19:13 pm »

Eh. mail-mi is kinda scummier. Those last couple of posts from Reggie seemed mor eon the towny side. Vote: mail-mi

What made it more on the townie side?

Hmm... he seemed to be genuinely trying to stay off "easy" mislynches. Like, that read like it's why he played that way.

Wouldn't it be scummier if you are trying to stay off of "easy" mislynches?  Huge town grab if an easy person gets mislynched and you were advocating against their mislynch
Yes, but that's what silverspawn called him out on and his response seemed genuine.
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« Reply #630 on: September 16, 2016, 12:25:21 pm »

Where was the hammer?
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« Reply #631 on: September 16, 2016, 12:27:44 pm »

I'm afraid mail-mi will flip town and then I'll get NKd as the least suspicious person and will be out of the game :(

I think Doctor now knows this too ;)

Well we can lynch Silverspawn, then it's non issue.

I'd actually be for a Silverpawn lynch based on that post.

I have a better idea

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« Reply #632 on: September 16, 2016, 12:29:01 pm »

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« Reply #633 on: September 16, 2016, 12:43:32 pm »

wait, what? It isn't fake? Where was the intention? Why?
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« Reply #634 on: September 16, 2016, 12:52:03 pm »

well, as I said before I'm quite comfortable with mail-mi lynch. Same with JReggie. Intent to hammer

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« Reply #635 on: September 16, 2016, 01:15:37 pm »

well, as I said before I'm quite comfortable with mail-mi lynch. Same with JReggie. Intent to hammer

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« Reply #636 on: September 16, 2016, 01:29:14 pm »

Do you still think there's a chance mail-mi is scum? A good scum player probably wouldn't claim in thread in case the hammer was fake or there's a governor or something.

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« Reply #637 on: September 16, 2016, 01:30:40 pm »

Do you still think there's a chance mail-mi is scum? A good scum player probably wouldn't claim in thread in case the hammer was fake or there's a governor or something.

There isn't a chance.
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« Reply #638 on: September 16, 2016, 01:33:13 pm »

Do you still think there's a chance mail-mi is scum? A good scum player probably wouldn't claim in thread in case the hammer was fake or there's a governor or something.
Also to not give us an opportunity to discuss who his partners are before night actions have to be taken. It's virtually always actively bad to claim scum during twilight (unless I guess you're the last scum of something).
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« Reply #639 on: September 16, 2016, 01:36:06 pm »

If mail-mi does flip scum, I think we need to look at Faust.

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« Reply #640 on: September 16, 2016, 01:37:47 pm »

If mail-mi does flip scum, I think we need to look at Faust.

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« Reply #641 on: September 16, 2016, 01:38:53 pm »

If mail-mi does flip scum, I think we need to look at Faust.

Why?

Mail-mi's "fluff" case felt a lot like a bus.

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« Reply #642 on: September 16, 2016, 01:41:53 pm »

Great. If mail-mi flips town, we need to look at faust. If mail-mi flips scum, we also need to look at faust. I must be such a pleasure to look at.
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« Reply #643 on: September 16, 2016, 01:44:58 pm »

Great. If mail-mi flips town, we need to look at faust. If mail-mi flips scum, we also need to look at faust. I must be such a pleasure to look at.

Oh, ha I didn't see that. Well hey, if it's any consolation this probably means you won't die N1! Unless you get vig killed.

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« Reply #644 on: September 16, 2016, 02:02:12 pm »

Great. If mail-mi flips town, we need to look at faust. If mail-mi flips scum, we also need to look at faust. I must be such a pleasure to look at.

Oh, ha I didn't see that. Well hey, if it's any consolation this probably means you won't die N1! Unless you get vig killed.
I don't know man, that's what I thought last time.
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« Reply #645 on: September 16, 2016, 02:27:29 pm »

Day 1 Final Vote Count:

J Reggie (3):  iguanaiguana, schadd, LaLight
mail-mi (7): J Reggie, SpaceAnemone, gkrieg13, Joseph2302, faust, witherweaver, silverspawn
RoadRunner7671 (1): mail-mi

Not Voting (1): RR

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« Reply #646 on: September 16, 2016, 02:31:40 pm »

mail-mi has been lynched!  He was a Kodama, a Vanilla Townie (Princess Mononoke)!

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #647 on: September 18, 2016, 04:00:47 am »

The giant glowing being looked down on the remaining characters gathered.  He was no closer to rescuing the creators.  What could he do?

One if his little forest spirits crushed, and now his little bamboo girl...


silverspawn was killed during the night!  He was Princess Kaguya, the Mason (The Tale of Princess Kaguya)!
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #648 on: September 18, 2016, 04:02:24 am »

Vote Count 2.0:

Not Voting (10): Witherweaver, LaLight, gkrieg13, faust, Roadrunner7671, Joseph2302, SpaceAnemone, J Reggie, schadd, iguanaiguana

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Day 2 ends on September 28 at 4:00 a.m. forum time.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #649 on: September 18, 2016, 04:02:58 am »

Day 2 has begun!

Thread unlocked.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #650 on: September 18, 2016, 04:07:56 am »

morning, everyone!

vote: faust, I think.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #651 on: September 18, 2016, 04:45:17 am »

morning, everyone!

vote: faust, I think.
I don't.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #652 on: September 18, 2016, 04:48:45 am »

I guess there is no use delaying this, because mafia probably will figure it out and it will only cost us time today.

I am silverspawn's partner.

This should be obvious to anyone rereading D1.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #653 on: September 18, 2016, 04:49:57 am »

morning, everyone!

vote: faust, I think.
It was obvious for scum to not kill faust.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #654 on: September 18, 2016, 04:50:19 am »

I guess there is no use delaying this, because mafia probably will figure it out and it will only cost us time today.

I am silverspawn's partner.

This should be obvious to anyone rereading D1.
I'll reread, but willing to accept this
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #655 on: September 18, 2016, 04:51:20 am »

I think it's fairly likely that the wagons the last day were all on town.

The top suspects for today are iguana, Joseph, Space-A.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #656 on: September 18, 2016, 05:03:17 am »

ok. Unvote
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #657 on: September 18, 2016, 06:33:18 am »

Lynch list:

1. Witherweaver - null to mildly town
2. LaLight - lots of content, pro-town
3. silverspawn - not a lot there
4. gkrieg13 - put mail-mi on L-1, which isn't great. Not a lot else
5. faust - leaning towards scum
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Welp, my reads list doesn't look great.
Considering ss is town, and faust almost certainly is too
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #658 on: September 18, 2016, 06:36:28 am »

Also, this tells us a little about the setup.

Either:
(1). There was 1 M roll, and faust is lying (seems unlikely to me)
(2). There were (at least) 3 M rolls, which means we have at most 3 other PRs
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #659 on: September 18, 2016, 07:24:20 am »

Also, this tells us a little about the setup.

Either:
(1). There was 1 M roll, and faust is lying (seems unlikely to me)
(2). There were (at least) 3 M rolls, which means we have at most 3 other PRs

I think you don't understand the setup.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #660 on: September 18, 2016, 07:35:49 am »

Also, this tells us a little about the setup.

Either:
(1). There was 1 M roll, and faust is lying (seems unlikely to me)
(2). There were (at least) 3 M rolls, which means we have at most 3 other PRs

I think you don't understand the setup.

Why? Isn't he right?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #661 on: September 18, 2016, 07:40:17 am »

Also, this tells us a little about the setup.

Either:
(1). There was 1 M roll, and faust is lying (seems unlikely to me)
(2). There were (at least) 3 M rolls, which means we have at most 3 other PRs

I think you don't understand the setup.

Why? Isn't he right?

No. It's impossible to have only one Mason. What good is that? If one m were rolled, the ub would convert to a Mason.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #662 on: September 18, 2016, 09:09:18 am »

Also, this tells us a little about the setup.

Either:
(1). There was 1 M roll, and faust is lying (seems unlikely to me)
(2). There were (at least) 3 M rolls, which means we have at most 3 other PRs

I think you don't understand the setup.

Why? Isn't he right?

No. It's impossible to have only one Mason. What good is that? If one m were rolled, the ub would convert to a Mason.
Oh. In which case there would be 2 Masons (the one randomly chosen & the UB). Course.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #663 on: September 18, 2016, 09:10:10 am »

Also, this tells us a little about the setup.

Either:
(1). There was 1 M roll, and then ss/faust is the UB
(2). There were (at least) 3 M rolls, which means we have at most 3 other PRs
FTFM

In either case, faust is almost certainly being truthful
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #664 on: September 18, 2016, 10:24:22 am »

hm. Well. If that's not Faust, it can be JReggie or Joseph IMO.

From this

Day 1 Final Vote Count:

J Reggie (3):  iguanaiguana, schadd, LaLight
mail-mi (7): J Reggie, SpaceAnemone, gkrieg13, Joseph2302, faust, witherweaver, silverspawn
RoadRunner7671 (1): mail-mi

Not Voting (1): RR

With 12 alive, it took 7 to lynch.

We have only GKrieg and faust which I believe are town. Space-A is null, need to reread him. WW either. Also schadd is not very useful, as I recall he has a little amount of posts and what he has is not telling us anything.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #665 on: September 18, 2016, 10:26:20 am »

Don't like this one bit.aa
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #666 on: September 18, 2016, 10:27:02 am »

Don't like this one bit.aa

What does it mean, excuse me? =)
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #667 on: September 18, 2016, 10:28:21 am »

Just kill me or lynch or whatever turns out I don't have time to deal with this level of nonsense.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #668 on: September 18, 2016, 10:33:19 am »

Hmmmm well that kill sucks and is annoying.

Good thing Faust is IC now. Now I don't have to reread him.

Also I think we had the UB claim D1 last time we played this setup, but I can't remember why
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #669 on: September 18, 2016, 10:35:38 am »

Just kill me or lynch or whatever turns out I don't have time to deal with this level of nonsense.

What happened?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #670 on: September 18, 2016, 10:54:01 am »

I'm done playing this game. I'll sheep silver until LyLo including on myself. Otherwise just checking in once a day to post.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #671 on: September 18, 2016, 10:55:14 am »

Oh hey, he's dead. Dammit fine I'll sheep Faust.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #672 on: September 18, 2016, 11:01:47 am »


♪it's just another perfect night♪

I guess there is no use delaying this, because mafia probably will figure it out and it will only cost us time today.

I am silverspawn's partner.

This should be obvious to anyone rereading D1.
i don't suppose there's any reason to deny this. if it's a lie then you're just communicating to a random person that you're scum and i'm sure people have gotten that far already. i was getting a somewhat strong scum read on you and ss towards the end, so. potato potahto.


question: are you allowed to say (or quote, even) what you and ss said in the mason qt?


also, does the fact that only one person died mean that someone doctored? if i understand the setup correctly, there is supposed to be 3 scum and two people die nightly. if somebody did doctor, any speculations on who was saved? all things considered, the very likely candidate is faust; as i mentioned, they seemed maybe not scummy but definitely like they knew something, and scum may have presumed that to mean they were masons. in which case, silverspawn also assumed that they knew—this (following) post makes more sense with that in mind.
I'm afraid mail-mi will flip town and then I'll get NKd as the least suspicious person and will be out of the game :(
this is so spicy, you guys. we are gonna have to reread silverspawn a lot of times.


Also schadd is not very useful, as I recall he has a little amount of posts and what he has is not telling us anything.
:(
should i do a big readpost or something?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #673 on: September 18, 2016, 11:39:02 am »


also, does the fact that only one person died mean that someone doctored? if i understand the setup correctly, there is supposed to be 3 scum and two people die nightly. if somebody did doctor, any speculations on who was saved? all things considered, the very likely candidate is faust; as i mentioned, they seemed maybe not scummy but definitely like they knew something, and scum may have presumed that to mean they were masons. in which case, silverspawn also assumed that they knew—this (following) post makes more sense with that in mind.
I'm afraid mail-mi will flip town and then I'll get NKd as the least suspicious person and will be out of the game :(
this is so spicy, you guys. we are gonna have to reread silverspawn a lot of times.

There's only 1 kill, unless there's a serial killer.
Scum may choose someone to kill, and SK (if they exist) can do as well.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #674 on: September 18, 2016, 11:40:37 am »

Correction:

There's no SK in the setup.
There might be a vigilante though, who would be able to kill.

Apart from that, 1 death per night, which could be stopped by a doctor.
Unless mafia use strongman ability, which nulls the doctor effect.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #675 on: September 18, 2016, 11:48:36 am »

Hmmmm well that kill sucks and is annoying.

Good thing Faust is IC now. Now I don't have to reread him.

Also I think we had the UB claim D1 last time we played this setup, but I can't remember why

Okay, so he's IC because there's one Mason and they have to come in sets and nobody's counter-claiming, yes?

This works very differently to the Werewolf I'm used to, where any mention of the cult (our equivalent of masons) or oblique hint of its existence got you instantly smitten down by fate (our equivalent of the mod). So this logic is weird to me.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #676 on: September 18, 2016, 11:49:35 am »

There's only 1 kill, unless there's a serial killer.
Scum may choose someone to kill, and SK (if they exist) can do as well.
oh, ok. i should have maybe realized that since we can only lynch one a day.


well, i guess some of that sleuthing i did still maybe holds
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #677 on: September 18, 2016, 11:50:43 am »

There's only 1 kill, unless there's a serial killer.
Scum may choose someone to kill, and SK (if they exist) can do as well.
i am glad that you answered but you should've waited so that someone else could say "no, we can only kill one person a night"
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #678 on: September 18, 2016, 12:02:24 pm »

Space-A is null, need to reread them.

FTFY :-)
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #679 on: September 18, 2016, 12:02:59 pm »

There's only 1 kill, unless there's a serial killer.
Scum may choose someone to kill, and SK (if they exist) can do as well.
i am glad that you answered but you should've waited so that someone else could say "no, we can only kill one person a night"
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #680 on: September 18, 2016, 12:20:32 pm »

Space-A is null, need to reread them.

FTFY :-)

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #681 on: September 18, 2016, 01:07:30 pm »

I guess there is no use delaying this, because mafia probably will figure it out and it will only cost us time today.

I am silverspawn's partner.

This should be obvious to anyone rereading D1.

So you know whether or not there is a UB, right?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #682 on: September 18, 2016, 01:09:24 pm »

I think it's fairly likely that the wagons the last day were all on town.

The top suspects for today are iguana, Joseph, Space-A.

Gut says Space is the place.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #683 on: September 18, 2016, 01:53:58 pm »

just reread. couple things

-seems as though there's no chance faust is lying, ss defended him a bunch of times.

-i went from suspecting ww to kinda suspecting ww. he had a sort of a habit of snarking at/refuting that spaceguy summed here but that might just be an academic mindset (seriously guys, where's the ANOVA?)
  he still has an image of trying to evade suspicion and taking weak/redundant positions

i'm also incidentally pretty suspicious of me. ww and i have been professional fluffers
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #684 on: September 18, 2016, 05:23:42 pm »


i'm also incidentally pretty suspicious of me.
Really, because I'm not.
If you were scum, you would have asked your "Do 2 people die at night?" question in the mafia QT, rather than here.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #685 on: September 18, 2016, 06:02:42 pm »


i'm also incidentally pretty suspicious of me.
Really, because I'm not.
If you were scum, you would have asked your "Do 2 people die at night?" question in the mafia QT, rather than here.
whoops! townslip
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #686 on: September 18, 2016, 06:37:01 pm »

I guess there is no use delaying this, because mafia probably will figure it out and it will only cost us time today.

I am silverspawn's partner.

This should be obvious to anyone rereading D1.

So you know whether or not there is a UB, right?
As far as I understand, I will only know at the start of the next night.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #687 on: September 18, 2016, 06:38:58 pm »

This works very differently to the Werewolf I'm used to, where any mention of the cult (our equivalent of masons) or oblique hint of its existence got you instantly smitten down by fate (our equivalent of the mod). So this logic is weird to me.
Yeah, we don't do that. Things are balanced around the fact that Masons can claim. Posting (rsp. talking) restrictions are kind of stupid anyway.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #688 on: September 18, 2016, 06:40:26 pm »

I'm done playing this game. I'll sheep silver until LyLo including on myself. Otherwise just checking in once a day to post.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #689 on: September 18, 2016, 06:43:01 pm »

question: are you allowed to say (or quote, even) what you and ss said in the mason qt?
I think I can paraphrase, but not quote. Is there anthing in particular that is of interest to you?

also, does the fact that only one person died mean that someone doctored? if i understand the setup correctly, there is supposed to be 3 scum and two people die nightly.
How would you get the idea that 2 people die each night?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #690 on: September 18, 2016, 06:59:28 pm »


question: are you allowed to say (or quote, even) what you and ss said in the mason qt?
I think I can paraphrase, but not quote. Is there anthing in particular that is of interest to you?
idk, like, all of it? i dunno what sorts of things you would even say in a mason quickthread (that's right guys! i'm not a mason!) and there isn't anything in particular i would want silverspawn to have said (it's sort of like the last-answering-machine-message-before-someone-died thing, isn't it?) but surely it only benefits us the townspeople to have it all out in the open. and sooner rather than later so you have less time to quickly make everything up

also, does the fact that only one person died mean that someone doctored? if i understand the setup correctly, there is supposed to be 3 scum and two people die nightly.
How would you get the idea that 2 people die each night?

dunno, the several mafia games that i've known about (the summit ones) did that. how would you get the idea that only 1 person does?
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« Reply #691 on: September 18, 2016, 07:06:20 pm »

having read the rules, it says that dead players can't post anywhere except in their role qt. can ss still say stuff in the mason qt? that seems like it would be kinda silly


also, for the life of me i can't find where the rules might say how many people die each night.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #692 on: September 18, 2016, 07:38:23 pm »

(seriously guys, where's the ANOVA?)

Analysis of Variance?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #693 on: September 18, 2016, 07:39:03 pm »

I guess there is no use delaying this, because mafia probably will figure it out and it will only cost us time today.

I am silverspawn's partner.

This should be obvious to anyone rereading D1.

So you know whether or not there is a UB, right?
As far as I understand, I will only know at the start of the next night.

I guess that makes sense.
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« Reply #694 on: September 18, 2016, 07:46:41 pm »

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #695 on: September 18, 2016, 08:03:31 pm »

dunno, the several mafia games that i've known about (the summit ones) did that. how would you get the idea that only 1 person does?

Out of curiosity, how many other games have you played? And how many have you followed? You'd said this was your first one to play in here, I think, and you've asked some basic questions, but there's other stuff that makes me feel like you have a much better handle on things than you're saying, so I'd like to understand where you're coming from...
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #696 on: September 18, 2016, 08:09:53 pm »


there's other stuff that makes me feel like you have a much better handle on things than you're saying
thank you


Out of curiosity, how many other games have you played? And how many have you followed?
have played 0 games. maybe followed, like, 3 or 4 games? and looked at some of the ones on here out of interest but not that many
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« Reply #697 on: September 18, 2016, 08:24:27 pm »


there's other stuff that makes me feel like you have a much better handle on things than you're saying
thank you

Haha, don't thank me yet... One thing that's making me quite suspicious is that you have the only use of the word "townslip" in this entire thread, which isn't really a very newbie sort of thing to come out with unless you were coached in a scum QT or something...
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« Reply #698 on: September 18, 2016, 08:44:36 pm »


there's other stuff that makes me feel like you have a much better handle on things than you're saying
thank you
Haha, don't thank me yet... One thing that's making me quite suspicious is that you have the only use of the word "townslip" in this entire thread, which isn't really a very newbie sort of thing to come out with unless you were coached in a scum QT or something...
that is a term that i came up with while pooping. is it a real thing?
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« Reply #699 on: September 18, 2016, 08:51:38 pm »

(seriously guys, where's the ANOVA?)

Analysis of Variance?
yes

Things here should be simple enough to do actual probabilistic analysis without needing all that frequentist assume-everything-is-Gaussian nonsense :-P

Since someone was talking about the set-up above, I started thinking in a bit too much detail about whether the fact we have two masons tells us anything about the distribution of the scum team. It does, but it doesn't skew the overall histogram of setup possibilities very much, so I'll resist the temptation to post mathsy stuff just now. I have thoughts and a nifty little script, though, if anyone would like any likelihoods computed later on..
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #700 on: September 18, 2016, 08:56:33 pm »


there's other stuff that makes me feel like you have a much better handle on things than you're saying
thank you
Haha, don't thank me yet... One thing that's making me quite suspicious is that you have the only use of the word "townslip" in this entire thread, which isn't really a very newbie sort of thing to come out with unless you were coached in a scum QT or something...
that is a term that i came up with while pooping. is it a real thing?

The term is certainly something that I've seen talked about around here, and your post didn't give me the impression you were overtly attempting to coin a new term.

What do the rest of you think about it?
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« Reply #701 on: September 18, 2016, 08:59:47 pm »

Things here should be simple enough to do actual probabilistic analysis without needing all that frequentist assume-everything-is-Gaussian nonsense :-P
i mean, gauss made everything in His image, but you know. there is probably data to make some simple and weird conclusions about the people that have played >30 games here, like, s-a copy-pastes from an excel spreadsheet is weakly correlated with them being town (p=.08)
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« Reply #702 on: September 18, 2016, 09:00:30 pm »

your post didn't give me the impression you were overtly attempting to coin a new term.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #703 on: September 18, 2016, 09:19:26 pm »

I guess there is no use delaying this, because mafia probably will figure it out and it will only cost us time today.

I am silverspawn's partner.

This should be obvious to anyone rereading D1.

So you know whether or not there is a UB, right?
As far as I understand, I will only know at the start of the next night.

Is that actually how it works? With a single "M" roll in the setup, it says that the UB converts to Mason without the UB player being informed. The word "convert" implies to me that they're no longer also a backup. Is that not how it works?

It also says that the UB replaces a 1-shot PR that dies, but it doesn't say anything about it replacing a Mason if they get killed. There's actually only about a 4.3% chance that there's a UB still in the game, given the existence of at least one pair of Masons, assuming they stop existing as UB if they do the conversion thing.

(Binomial distribution with N=6 and p=0.1, taking out the x=0 and x=2 options and renormalizing to obtain a new distribution, at which point x=1 is >95%).
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #704 on: September 18, 2016, 10:08:35 pm »

(seriously guys, where's the ANOVA?)

Analysis of Variance?
yes

Things here should be simple enough to do actual probabilistic analysis without needing all that frequentist assume-everything-is-Gaussian nonsense :-P

Since someone was talking about the set-up above, I started thinking in a bit too much detail about whether the fact we have two masons tells us anything about the distribution of the scum team. It does, but it doesn't skew the overall histogram of setup possibilities very much, so I'll resist the temptation to post mathsy stuff just now. I have thoughts and a nifty little script, though, if anyone would like any likelihoods computed later on..

Don't start, please.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #705 on: September 18, 2016, 11:36:22 pm »

Okay, this isn't happening but I wanted to ask because I noticed myself doing it with mail-mi in Olympics Mafia.

Is it unethical to use information from other, non-mafia threads? Like if Adrian and tristan suddenly started agreeing in RSP and they were both in this game could someone present that as evidence for a case?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #706 on: September 19, 2016, 12:19:51 am »

I'm done playing this game. I'll sheep silver until LyLo including on myself. Otherwise just checking in once a day to post.
I don't know what happened, but if ou plan on not playing the game, you would do all of us a service by asking ashersky to be replaced.

I'm just VLA for the week and the game got uninteresting because you're a mason and you were my only scum read and I don't have time to reread or rethink now.

Also, on the replacement thing, nah.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #707 on: September 19, 2016, 02:01:24 am »


there's other stuff that makes me feel like you have a much better handle on things than you're saying
thank you
Haha, don't thank me yet... One thing that's making me quite suspicious is that you have the only use of the word "townslip" in this entire thread, which isn't really a very newbie sort of thing to come out with unless you were coached in a scum QT or something...
that is a term that i came up with while pooping. is it a real thing?
Yes it's a real term.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #708 on: September 19, 2016, 02:02:20 am »

having read the rules, it says that dead players can't post anywhere except in their role qt. can ss still say stuff in the mason qt? that seems like it would be kinda silly


also, for the life of me i can't find where the rules might say how many people die each night.
No dead masons can't post in the QT.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #709 on: September 19, 2016, 04:19:56 am »

Vote Count 2.1:

Not Voting (10): Witherweaver, LaLight, gkrieg13, faust, Roadrunner7671, Joseph2302, SpaceAnemone, J Reggie, schadd, iguanaiguana

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #710 on: September 19, 2016, 09:42:31 am »

So, the weekend is over, and it's time for ou guys to put in some work, make cases, and such things. I have thoughts, but I will not reveal them. Instead, I want everyone to take the following pledge:

"If there is no lynch 12 hours before deadline, I will vote for whoever faust decides we should lynch."
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« Reply #711 on: September 19, 2016, 09:44:31 am »

Okay, this isn't happening but I wanted to ask because I noticed myself doing it with mail-mi in Olympics Mafia.

Is it unethical to use information from other, non-mafia threads? Like if Adrian and tristan suddenly started agreeing in RSP and they were both in this game could someone present that as evidence for a case?

It's not wrong, but it's as awful use of the word 'evidence' as you see in those RSP forums.

I recommend ignoring any behavior outside of non-mafia threads.  There isn't enough information to differentiate between legitimate, circumstantial, and intentional misdirection.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #712 on: September 19, 2016, 09:45:46 am »

So, the weekend is over, and it's time for ou guys to put in some work, make cases, and such things. I have thoughts, but I will not reveal them. Instead, I want everyone to take the following pledge:

"If there is no lynch 12 hours before deadline, I will vote for whoever faust decides we should lynch."

/pledge I think. You're experienced and IC.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #713 on: September 19, 2016, 09:55:36 am »

Rereading Space.  Alsmost no content D1, until:

My reads are problematically mostly null or very mild, but here there are anyway.

Witherweaver -- Null (still overconfident/sarky, though!)
LaLight -- Still very newbie!town.
silverspawn -- Null.. He has a lot of short posts I can't really get my teeth into.
gkrieg13 -- Mild town (and I have sympathy with him having put this on the back burner spend time trying to win BSG, even though he actually killed me!)
faust -- Null so far, leaning mild town.
Roadrunner7671 -- I don't even know.
Joseph2302 -- Mild town
SpaceAnemone -- Spaaaaaaaaaace!
J Reggie -- Null. Some bits of him seem scummy, but other bits seem quite towny.
schadd -- Mild scum maybe, if he knows people here from other forum interactions?
iguanaiguana -- Towny.
mail-mi -- Mild scum. I did just come from a game where he was scum, and he seems really similar.

There are newbies in the game, so the little bit of fluff earlier was really welcome as far as I'm concerned, because it's too hard to engage with the rest of you discussing people's meta when I haven't quite formed my own opinion of most people here. I don't think interacting with people is a bad thing to encourage to make sure stuff keeps happening in D1.

@JReggie: Howcome nobody's made you add unique text to your profile to make you easier to search for?

I'm going to vote: Mail-mi because mild scum is the best I've come up with, and my other scumread is a newbie.

(Though did put a vote on me before that.)

This somewhat mitigates my scum read; I would expect (especially new) scum to force some more scum reads.  The general null read is somewhat natural at this point in the game.  Odd is the single "townie" on Iguana.  Notably, that was also Space's RSP vote:

Good morning all!
Vote: iguana

Comments on J Reggie wagon without taking stance:

Huh, I'm still not understanding the J Reggie wagon at all, even though I think a bunch of strong people are backing it. I'm unlikely to move my vote there unless someone can break the case down into newbie-speak for me.

Faust's tone in his posts from earlier today seems oddly hostile and defensive, which makes me lean a bit more scum-wards on him than my reads yesterday.

@Iguana: what are your reasons for thinking that Mail-mi is a town? I feel like he's at least a bit scummy.

Very little else.  Not sure it's the best lynch, but not a bad one.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #714 on: September 19, 2016, 10:00:08 am »

So, the weekend is over, and it's time for ou guys to put in some work, make cases, and such things. I have thoughts, but I will not reveal them. Instead, I want everyone to take the following pledge:

"If there is no lynch 12 hours before deadline, I will vote for whoever faust decides we should lynch."

Don't we still have plurality lynch?  I would definitely do this once we don't have plurality lynch. Not so sure before then
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #715 on: September 19, 2016, 10:38:35 am »

I'm just a town with some mildly funny flavor text actually.
Tell me about your flavor text.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #716 on: September 19, 2016, 10:55:50 am »

WW, are you ignoring my pledge?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #717 on: September 19, 2016, 10:56:55 am »

/tentative pledge
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #718 on: September 19, 2016, 10:59:53 am »

WW, are you ignoring my pledge?

I had read it as we should come up with stuff or pledge to sheep you.  I'm taking the former. 
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #719 on: September 19, 2016, 11:01:01 am »

WW, are you ignoring my pledge?

I had read it as we should come up with stuff or pledge to sheep you.  I'm taking the former.
You read it wrong. Which is strange, I thought I had made myself pretty clear.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #720 on: September 19, 2016, 11:09:34 am »

And I wouldn't really pledge such a thing anyway.  Though there is a decent chance I'd end up voting with you.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #721 on: September 19, 2016, 11:33:48 am »

So, the weekend is over, and it's time for ou guys to put in some work, make cases, and such things. I have thoughts, but I will not reveal them. Instead, I want everyone to take the following pledge:

"If there is no lynch 12 hours before deadline, I will vote for whoever faust decides we should lynch."

Heck no. You may be IC but I still hella disagree with you on things.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #722 on: September 19, 2016, 11:34:37 am »

So, the weekend is over, and it's time for ou guys to put in some work, make cases, and such things. I have thoughts, but I will not reveal them. Instead, I want everyone to take the following pledge:

"If there is no lynch 12 hours before deadline, I will vote for whoever faust decides we should lynch."
/pledge
Although hopefully we'll have more meaningful discussion than just sheep the IC
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #723 on: September 19, 2016, 11:41:51 am »

I trust faust as IC, and it seems like his reads are better than mine right now.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #724 on: September 19, 2016, 11:44:59 am »

I trust faust as IC, and it seems like his reads are better than mine right now.

The reads he's not sharing?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #725 on: September 19, 2016, 11:47:00 am »

I'm just a town with some mildly funny flavor text actually.
Tell me about your flavor text.

I'd have to claim.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #726 on: September 19, 2016, 11:50:59 am »

I trust faust as IC, and it seems like his reads are better than mine right now.

The reads he's not sharing?
His D1 reads were better than mine.
Mostly because I was sure he was scum.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #727 on: September 19, 2016, 11:51:50 am »

I trust faust as IC, and it seems like his reads are better than mine right now.

The reads he's not sharing?
His D1 reads were better than mine.
Mostly because I was sure he was scum.

Didn't he also think you were scum?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #728 on: September 19, 2016, 11:57:48 am »

My big problem with the pledge is that everyone should have better reads than faust because they have more information than faust.  Every person knows the alignment of 2 people (themselves and faust), so their reads have a higher probability of being correct than faust's. 

Also I'm weary of the people that agree to just blindly follow faust.  That is just way too easy of a cop out if they are on a mislynch.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #729 on: September 19, 2016, 11:59:47 am »

My big problem with the pledge is that everyone should have better reads than faust because they have more information than faust.  Every person knows the alignment of 2 people (themselves and faust), so their reads have a higher probability of being correct than faust's. 

Also I'm weary of the people that agree to just blindly follow faust.  That is just way too easy of a cop out if they are on a mislynch.

Well, I don't follow him blindly. I trust his opinion, cause he's really more experienced and also an IC. + I know the alignment of me and him. I don't have strong case on anyone now, only mild scumread. I'll see and listen to faust.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #730 on: September 19, 2016, 12:09:36 pm »

My big problem with the pledge is that everyone should have better reads than faust because they have more information than faust.  Every person knows the alignment of 2 people (themselves and faust), so their reads have a higher probability of being correct than faust's. 

Also I'm weary of the people that agree to just blindly follow faust.  That is just way too easy of a cop out if they are on a mislynch.

Well, I don't follow him blindly. I trust his opinion, cause he's really more experienced and also an IC. + I know the alignment of me and him. I don't have strong case on anyone now, only mild scumread. I'll see and listen to faust.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #731 on: September 19, 2016, 12:13:30 pm »

Well I guess the other problem I have with it is that people seem to be wanting the route that they don't need to go and reread and form their own opinions, but that they can instead just sheep faust.  Only one person doing rereads and stuff doesn't help us.  If you don't have any major scum reads, go back and reread the thread!  There is going to be something that makes you believe someone is scummy.  I mean being unsure if fine, but having no reads D2, is just not ok.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #732 on: September 19, 2016, 12:14:05 pm »

inb4 "gkrieg why haven't you reread and given reads"

I'll do it later today.  I have class in a few minutes
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #733 on: September 19, 2016, 04:54:54 pm »

Lynch list:

1. Witherweaver - null to mildly town
2. LaLight - lots of content, pro-town
3. silverspawn - not a lot there
4. gkrieg13 - put mail-mi on L-1, which isn't great. Not a lot else
5. faust - leaning towards scum
6. Roadrunner7671 - for the first time in forever, don't think he's scum
7. Joseph2302 - me. Absolutely no useful content so far
8. SpaceAnemone - mild town read on him, from very little content
9. J Reggie - trying to get the game moving early, and decently towny with most other things
10. schadd - lots of short posts, kind of null
11. iguanaiguana - mild town read
12. mail-mi - his wagon seemed a bit too easy for my liking. As he hasn't done anything super-scummy, it's likely there was scum on the wagon, and therefore more likely that he's town. Also seems different to the scum!mail-mi in a previous game
Here's my old lynch list- I'll review it properly some point.
faust is clearly town now, as were ss and mail-mi.
Man, these reads look so bad with hindsight
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #734 on: September 19, 2016, 04:59:26 pm »

You're right, we should lynch you.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #735 on: September 19, 2016, 05:00:34 pm »

vote: Joseph
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #736 on: September 19, 2016, 05:10:54 pm »

Going to bed now, but a serious, thought-provoking question before I do.

If you were scum, who would you have killed N1?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #737 on: September 19, 2016, 05:20:10 pm »

Or maybe:

Why would Silverspawn be killed?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #738 on: September 19, 2016, 05:59:02 pm »

Or maybe:

Why would Silverspawn be killed?

I think one reason is because he thought that he would be killed. Silver said that he would be the night kill IIRC
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #739 on: September 19, 2016, 06:19:39 pm »

he had a sort of a habit of snarking at/refuting that spaceguy summed here
whoops, that was supposed to be this link


/pledge, i guess? i'm not sure that this logic holds up:
My big problem with the pledge is that everyone should have better reads than faust because they have more information than faust.  Every person knows the alignment of 2 people (themselves and faust), so their reads have a higher probability of being correct than faust's. 
...since only 6 people know the alignment of 2 people, and a certain 3 people know the alignment of everybody. it's not about information, it's about, ceteris paribus and nothing particularly compelling against any certain person, we agree to sheep the person who cannot have any ulterior motives (esp. because now it is especially easy for scum to form a majority). faust, incidentally, seems to be a fortunate person for this position.


i'm not sure, though, and other people have thought this out further than i have and also experienced the endgame situation theorized here. at the very least, this shouldn't really be the focus of our attention until we are confident that there isn't more information to be gathered.


Going to bed now, but a serious, thought-provoking question before I do.

If you were scum, who would you have killed N1?
i'm so town that even if i were scum i wouldn't lynch anyone.
i mean, uh, probably ss. it's hard to say in hindsight, of course, but i and surely some other people (read: joseph's readlist, also this one) had ss and faust in the "what do you know that i don't" category, and since scum knew they were innocent, that probably meant that they indeed knew something. that, and, you know, ss is good at this game and stuff. that said, it's weird that it happened right at the peak of suspicion for him (he just hammered mail-mi!) and, well, killing a mason seems to be a not-good idea. this leads me to an inkling that it is a bit of a personal lynch rather than an empirical one. who here has the most experience?


i haven't given any formalized reads yet. names accentuated in purple, which i think is allowed


  kinda: ww(still, didn't reply to the thing that i said!), igu (seems like a clumsy persona for a committed scum, but why would he refuse to be replaced? are we seeing drunk!scum!igu or something), rr (hasn't bitten in the strategy/analysis of the board like the rest of us fish and has otherwise not really said much that i can remember, which is especially odd considering this post)


  merits investigation:lalight (has said a hell of a lot, at least), joseph (has had some unfortunate votes, don't like his first vote in the context of my current one, below, but otherwise kinda whatever)


  i'm okay with them rn: gkrieg (enduring attitude is 'get on it people!' and hasn't had really any bs. he did parrot the bad joseph vote. though, now that i think about it, it's sorta forgivable? faust did seem weird, and i really don't know how to read the mail-mi situation), space (smells like they have the same approach to the game that i do at the moment which is a plus, for me at least. i appreciate their effort to hammer out a few people [i.e., me and ww thus far] rather than comment on game state), j reggie (i was pretty fervently anti-him d1. don't really know what to think at the moment but i'm not really suspicious)


  me: schadd (5 stars, would eat again)


  faust: faust (the pledge thing would have probably maybe brought the actual mason out of the woodwork at this point. do other people care about what went on in the qt? i guess, is there any position ss took that he didn't post publicly?)


vote: roadrunner since i want him to be under the spotlight, he has maybe produced the least information combined with being kinda suspicious


at the time of this post, half of the rules post is a link to day 2.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #740 on: September 19, 2016, 06:22:04 pm »

Roadrunner is in this game?  When did that happen?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #741 on: September 19, 2016, 06:36:53 pm »

igu (seems like a clumsy persona for a committed scum, but why would he refuse to be replaced? are we seeing drunk!scum!igu or something)
i should clarify, i was referring specifically to the "i don't care anymore, lynch me" business
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #742 on: September 20, 2016, 09:51:49 am »

igu (seems like a clumsy persona for a committed scum, but why would he refuse to be replaced? are we seeing drunk!scum!igu or something)
i should clarify, i was referring specifically to the "i don't care anymore, lynch me" business
Pretty sure he's said things like this before.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #743 on: September 20, 2016, 09:54:38 am »

we back!

igu (seems like a clumsy persona for a committed scum, but why would he refuse to be replaced? are we seeing drunk!scum!igu or something)
i should clarify, i was referring specifically to the "i don't care anymore, lynch me" business
Pretty sure he's said things like this before.
i would be inclined to believe you
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #744 on: September 20, 2016, 10:11:34 am »

Yay, the forum is back!! This is what I was trying to post last night when it died...

So, the weekend is over, and it's time for ou guys to put in some work, make cases, and such things. I have thoughts, but I will not reveal them. Instead, I want everyone to take the following pledge:

"If there is no lynch 12 hours before deadline, I will vote for whoever faust decides we should lynch."

/semi-pledge :-) If you decide I should die, I'm probably not going to want to vote for myself, and since I'm under some suspicion just now, I feel it's not such an edge case. I'd also like to keep the right to using my own brain to do re-reads and form conclusions of my own.

I like the point that gkrieg/schadd have made that while you have the clearest town motives of any of us, you also have less information. I know you also have a great reputation for being good at this game, so obviously your thoughts deserve an audience, but you can't be right all the time with so little information out there, so I think there's room for a contrary newbie :-) I mean no offence.. this is coming from a place of having been mislynched by a much more experienced player who wouldn't listen to my arguments and cases in the previous game, and town having lost because I just couldn't get through to him.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #745 on: September 20, 2016, 10:15:35 am »

@faust, do you think I'm barking up the wrong tree at post#700, or is it a valid worry?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #746 on: September 20, 2016, 11:22:45 am »

My posting frequency may be severely limited for the next few days - trying to sort out a house move.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #747 on: September 20, 2016, 11:47:48 am »

So I have a question for Faust. Were you trying to intentionally play scummy D1, or did it just come across that way?

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #748 on: September 20, 2016, 11:51:01 am »

I like a Vote: Joseph by a wide margin today.

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« Reply #749 on: September 20, 2016, 11:53:40 am »

Ok, has someone presented a case for Joseph or is he just scummy as usual? Because I'd be willing to listen to an actual case on him, but this looks like just the same as yesterday. Just because Faust is IC doesn't mean he's always right.

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« Reply #750 on: September 20, 2016, 11:57:31 am »

Don't have time to case but I do see it independent of Faust. Read his iso?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #751 on: September 20, 2016, 11:58:01 am »

Ok, has someone presented a case for Joseph or is he just scummy as usual? Because I'd be willing to listen to an actual case on him, but this looks like just the same as yesterday. Just because Faust is IC doesn't mean he's always right.

I mean he has grown scummier today.  He seems a lot more calculated like he was the last time he was scum and we almost mislynched Seprix over him.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #752 on: September 20, 2016, 11:58:43 am »

@faust, do you think I'm barking up the wrong tree at post#700, or is it a valid worry?

Why do you ask me?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #753 on: September 20, 2016, 11:59:38 am »

So I have a question for Faust. Were you trying to intentionally play scummy D1, or did it just come across that way?
I tried to play differently in hopes of not being nightkilled. I don't think it was scummy.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #754 on: September 20, 2016, 12:56:19 pm »

@faust, do you think I'm barking up the wrong tree at post#700, or is it a valid worry?

Why do you ask me?
you are the person with a quality
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #755 on: September 20, 2016, 12:57:53 pm »

@faust, do you think I'm barking up the wrong tree at post#700, or is it a valid worry?

Why do you ask me?

Because it's generally being ignored as far as I can tell. I don't know if that's because my reasoning is silly, or because people are just more interested in other bits of the conversation. If it's the former and you say so, I'm more likely to believe it's not worth pursuing, because your IC status means I expect you not to have a hidden agenda. Also, if nobody's really noticing it and then I die, this way at least I know someone's read it.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #756 on: September 20, 2016, 01:10:35 pm »

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« Reply #757 on: September 20, 2016, 01:31:03 pm »

@faust, do you think I'm barking up the wrong tree at post#700, or is it a valid worry?

Why do you ask me?

Because it's generally being ignored as far as I can tell. I don't know if that's because my reasoning is silly, or because people are just more interested in other bits of the conversation. If it's the former and you say so, I'm more likely to believe it's not worth pursuing, because your IC status means I expect you not to have a hidden agenda. Also, if nobody's really noticing it and then I die, this way at least I know someone's read it.
I read it. That's all you need to know. Now, I would rather you create interactions with each other than interact with me.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #758 on: September 20, 2016, 01:33:13 pm »

I want the people voting for Joseph to explain themselves.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #759 on: September 20, 2016, 01:36:13 pm »

I want the people voting for Joseph to explain themselves.

I feel like I already did.  His behavior D1 was very town!Joseph.  Doesn't make a lot of sense, kind of airy.

D2, he is very different.  It feels a lot more like he did in his last scum game.  Very calculated and a lot less Josephy. 
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« Reply #760 on: September 20, 2016, 01:50:46 pm »

So he forgot to keep up the charade?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #761 on: September 20, 2016, 01:53:19 pm »

Anyone feel

Vote: Iguana ?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #762 on: September 20, 2016, 01:55:42 pm »

I don't know. I didn't play with Joseph much, he was kinda scummy to me D1 and became more scummy D2. His list is strange, like, he really put the towniest people into his lynchpool. Someone here told that he's just Joseph!Joseph but again, I don't know much about his play and if to judge from what I see, he's really scummy. I will try and find now some his posts that made me think so.

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« Reply #763 on: September 20, 2016, 01:56:52 pm »

Anyone feel

Vote: Iguana ?

Iguana is kinda angry-on-something town. I don't know why and what happened still, but he's probably town.
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« Reply #764 on: September 20, 2016, 01:59:18 pm »

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #765 on: September 20, 2016, 02:00:43 pm »


Here's my old lynch list- I'll review it properly some point.
faust is clearly town now, as were ss and mail-mi.
Man, these reads look so bad with hindsight
Why did you post this?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #766 on: September 20, 2016, 02:12:36 pm »

Vote Count 2.2:

Joseph2302 (3): LaLight, iguanaiguana, gkrieg13
Roadrunner7671 (1): schadd
iguanaiguana (1): Witherweaver

Not Voting (5): faust, Roadrunner7671, Joseph2302, SpaceAnemone, J Reggie

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #767 on: September 20, 2016, 02:17:49 pm »

Here comes my first reread in a lifetime!

Joseph. D1

His first post:


My favourite ice-cream is honeycomb

The second one:


Guys, you caught me.
I'm the SK again

More fluff (actually nothing but fluff from the start):

Yay the forum is back.
Vote: fds for trying to hold up this game and inhibit discussion. Obvious scum tell.
Faust wagon:

Let's start a good wagon:

Vote: faust

More faust wagon:

Faust usually isn't *this* fluffy though.
So why do you think me being more fluffy than usual means that I'm scum?
I believe it does.
I have reasons, but since you asked mail-mi, I'll let him respond first.

And 4 pages between these two messages.

Then the list:

Lynch list:

1. Witherweaver - null to mildly town
2. LaLight - lots of content, pro-town
3. silverspawn - not a lot there
4. gkrieg13 - put mail-mi on L-1, which isn't great. Not a lot else
5. faust - leaning towards scum
6. Roadrunner7671 - for the first time in forever, don't think he's scum
7. Joseph2302 - me. Absolutely no useful content so far
8. SpaceAnemone - mild town read on them, from very little content
9. J Reggie - trying to get the game moving early, and decently towny with most other things
10. schadd - lots of short posts, kind of null
11. iguanaiguana - mild town read
12. mail-mi - his wagon seemed a bit too easy for my liking. As he hasn't done anything super-scummy, it's likely there was scum on the wagon, and therefore more likely that he's town. Also seems different to the scum!mail-mi in a previous game

He defends mail-mi and it's a good thing, idk why should he do this as scum.

Is this silence because I'm in another timezone or because noone has nothing to say? Deadline is close, we need to decide something
Both.
I agree, we need to do something.
I suggested things, it's just people didn't like them.

I didn't see such things.

Again:

My preference for these 3 wagons is:
(Most wanted first)

faust
Mail-mi
JReggie

Normally faust is different to this.
In my mind, if you're scum then it's likely a mislynch will happen, so you need to commit less effort.
On the other hand, if you're town, it takes more effort to find scum.

I don't know how to react on this one:

Normally faust is different to this.
In my mind, if you're scum then it's likely a mislynch will happen, so you need to commit less effort.
On the other hand, if you're town, it takes more effort to find scum.
Again, this is not how I play as scum. Every time you think "someone is different than normal", your first reaction should be that that's a townie sign.
I play different almost every game, and no-one assumes I'm towny all the time.

I don't like going after RR D1, for similar but opposite reasons that I don't like going after Faust. At least, not today. He gets a D1 pass from me.
I don't like D1 lynching RR again.

Why?

Worth noting: a majority (7) isn't needed to lynch.
The person with most votes at deadline dies.

Vote: mail-mi

Faust isn't happening, and I really think JReggie is town.
More so than mail-mi

And that's the end of D1. Nothing really useful.

D2:
Rules clarifications at most:

Also, this tells us a little about the setup.

Either:
(1). There was 1 M roll, and faust is lying (seems unlikely to me)
(2). There were (at least) 3 M rolls, which means we have at most 3 other PRs

Also, this tells us a little about the setup.

Either:
(1). There was 1 M roll, and faust is lying (seems unlikely to me)
(2). There were (at least) 3 M rolls, which means we have at most 3 other PRs

I think you don't understand the setup.

Why? Isn't he right?

No. It's impossible to have only one Mason. What good is that? If one m were rolled, the ub would convert to a Mason.
Oh. In which case there would be 2 Masons (the one randomly chosen & the UB). Course.


also, does the fact that only one person died mean that someone doctored? if i understand the setup correctly, there is supposed to be 3 scum and two people die nightly. if somebody did doctor, any speculations on who was saved? all things considered, the very likely candidate is faust; as i mentioned, they seemed maybe not scummy but definitely like they knew something, and scum may have presumed that to mean they were masons. in which case, silverspawn also assumed that they knew—this (following) post makes more sense with that in mind.
I'm afraid mail-mi will flip town and then I'll get NKd as the least suspicious person and will be out of the game :(
this is so spicy, you guys. we are gonna have to reread silverspawn a lot of times.

There's only 1 kill, unless there's a serial killer.
Scum may choose someone to kill, and SK (if they exist) can do as well.

Correction:

There's no SK in the setup.
There might be a vigilante though, who would be able to kill.

Apart from that, 1 death per night, which could be stopped by a doctor.
Unless mafia use strongman ability, which nulls the doctor effect.

IDK what to think about mafia QT mentioning:


i'm also incidentally pretty suspicious of me.
Really, because I'm not.
If you were scum, you would have asked your "Do 2 people die at night?" question in the mafia QT, rather than here.

More rules clarifications:


there's other stuff that makes me feel like you have a much better handle on things than you're saying
thank you
Haha, don't thank me yet... One thing that's making me quite suspicious is that you have the only use of the word "townslip" in this entire thread, which isn't really a very newbie sort of thing to come out with unless you were coached in a scum QT or something...
that is a term that i came up with while pooping. is it a real thing?
Yes it's a real term.

having read the rules, it says that dead players can't post anywhere except in their role qt. can ss still say stuff in the mason qt? that seems like it would be kinda silly


also, for the life of me i can't find where the rules might say how many people die each night.
No dead masons can't post in the QT.

He pledged but somehow didn't pledge:

So, the weekend is over, and it's time for ou guys to put in some work, make cases, and such things. I have thoughts, but I will not reveal them. Instead, I want everyone to take the following pledge:

"If there is no lynch 12 hours before deadline, I will vote for whoever faust decides we should lynch."
/pledge
Although hopefully we'll have more meaningful discussion than just sheep the IC

Bringing attention to his list again. Why?

Lynch list:

1. Witherweaver - null to mildly town
2. LaLight - lots of content, pro-town
3. silverspawn - not a lot there
4. gkrieg13 - put mail-mi on L-1, which isn't great. Not a lot else
5. faust - leaning towards scum
6. Roadrunner7671 - for the first time in forever, don't think he's scum
7. Joseph2302 - me. Absolutely no useful content so far
8. SpaceAnemone - mild town read on him, from very little content
9. J Reggie - trying to get the game moving early, and decently towny with most other things
10. schadd - lots of short posts, kind of null
11. iguanaiguana - mild town read
12. mail-mi - his wagon seemed a bit too easy for my liking. As he hasn't done anything super-scummy, it's likely there was scum on the wagon, and therefore more likely that he's town. Also seems different to the scum!mail-mi in a previous game
Here's my old lynch list- I'll review it properly some point.
faust is clearly town now, as were ss and mail-mi.
Man, these reads look so bad with hindsight

I think this is just strange:

Going to bed now, but a serious, thought-provoking question before I do.

If you were scum, who would you have killed N1?

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« Reply #768 on: September 20, 2016, 02:25:39 pm »

or is he playing like this every time? somebody tell me plz
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« Reply #769 on: September 20, 2016, 02:58:18 pm »

the several things that you say are strange don't seem especially strange to me.
rules clarifications are fine, why do people care about rules clarifications? their only bad thing is that they're not a better contribution to town. and well, it would seem like he's trying to make up for that with a read list.
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« Reply #770 on: September 20, 2016, 03:01:10 pm »

the several things that you say are strange don't seem especially strange to me.
rules clarifications are fine, why do people care about rules clarifications? their only bad thing is that they're not a better contribution to town. and well, it would seem like he's trying to make up for that with a read list.

Rule clarifications are fine! But there are too many and at the beginning of D2 there was nothing but them.
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« Reply #771 on: September 20, 2016, 03:02:27 pm »

And well, I'm not trying to point you on some obvious things. These are just my thoughts and suspicions. If you tell me he's playing like this every time, fine.
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« Reply #772 on: September 20, 2016, 05:49:06 pm »

Finally an actual case on Joseph. I don't know if his D2 being different from his D1 is necessarily scummy, but it's better than just "let's vote Joseph because he's Joseph".

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #773 on: September 20, 2016, 06:19:29 pm »

I have no idea where the notion that Joseph was townie on D1 comes from. Can anyone who thinks that lay out in a bit more detail why they think that?
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« Reply #774 on: September 20, 2016, 06:36:13 pm »

rr (hasn't bitten in the strategy/analysis of the board like the rest of us fish and has otherwise not really said much that i can remember, which is especially odd considering this post)
butts, another correction, i meant to link this post


I have no idea where the notion that Joseph was townie on D1 comes from. Can anyone who thinks that lay out in a bit more detail why they think that?
yeah, actually, now that i think about it he seems kinda yucky. his posts consisted of a lot of inane comments/descriptions of what was going on that sorta gives me the sense of "i feel like i'm supposed to be saying stuff" rather than "i want to push the game in motion."
  i still would prioritize an investigation of rr (his issues are like an amplified version of the ones we're finding with joseph) but, uh, joseph has been promoted to the kinda tier. i don't want to vote for him at the moment (i'm realizing how scary it is to have this many scum in the voterbase, and it is maybe easier for 2 people to coordinate a non-suspicious hammer than 3? but, ofc, i've never witnessed this scenario so i dunno)
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« Reply #775 on: September 20, 2016, 08:43:31 pm »

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« Reply #776 on: September 20, 2016, 08:47:06 pm »

(i'm realizing how scary it is to have this many scum in the voterbase, and it is maybe easier for 2 people to coordinate a non-suspicious hammer than 3? but, ofc, i've never witnessed this scenario so i dunno)

I wouldn't worry about this until much later. I haven't really seen scum double hammer this early in the game.

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« Reply #777 on: September 20, 2016, 09:12:04 pm »

(i'm realizing how scary it is to have this many scum in the voterbase, and it is maybe easier for 2 people to coordinate a non-suspicious hammer than 3? but, ofc, i've never witnessed this scenario so i dunno)

I wouldn't worry about this until much later. I haven't really seen scum double hammer this early in the game.
i'm thinking something along the lines of:


me: vote on guy
scum1: vote on guy! yes!
scum2: ooh good yes! how about hammer, eh? discussion!?
scum1, scum3 in unison: yes, discussion! okay
scum2: alright. allow me to hammer now that we have discussioned
me (none the wiser): oh no, 'twas an innocent!


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« Reply #778 on: September 20, 2016, 10:55:59 pm »

So are you saying that happened?
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« Reply #779 on: September 20, 2016, 11:30:56 pm »

So are you saying that happened?
no. it is an abstraction of the thing that i'm worried about could happen if i voted joseph right now. that would maybe not happen if i didn't
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« Reply #780 on: September 20, 2016, 11:40:37 pm »

So are you saying that happened?
no. it is an abstraction of the thing that i'm worried about could happen if i voted joseph right now. that would maybe not happen if i didn't

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« Reply #781 on: September 21, 2016, 12:14:59 am »

So what do you think scum did during yesterday's mislynch?
probably voted for mail-mi, and ~manipulated~ other people into it. but, i mean, faust and silverspawn were on that boat, so probably not all three of the scums needed to be egging that basket, or something. and that checks out: two of the people in my kinda tier voted for him (you and joseph, though the fact that joseph is the one whom i'm worried about accidentally complicitly killing clouds things a bit).


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« Reply #782 on: September 21, 2016, 01:59:11 am »

(i'm realizing how scary it is to have this many scum in the voterbase, and it is maybe easier for 2 people to coordinate a non-suspicious hammer than 3? but, ofc, i've never witnessed this scenario so i dunno)

I wouldn't worry about this until much later. I haven't really seen scum double hammer this early in the game.
i'm thinking something along the lines of:


me: vote on guy
scum1: vote on guy! yes!
scum2: ooh good yes! how about hammer, eh? discussion!?
scum1, scum3 in unison: yes, discussion! okay
scum2: alright. allow me to hammer now that we have discussioned
me (none the wiser): oh no, 'twas an innocent!


...if that makes sense
Scum doesn't have day chat, so couldn't discuss this in-game.

Another townslip it seems.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #783 on: September 21, 2016, 02:00:06 am »

So what do you think scum did during yesterday's mislynch?
probably voted for mail-mi, and ~manipulated~ other people into it. but, i mean, faust and silverspawn were on that boat, so probably not all three of the scums needed to be egging that basket, or something. and that checks out: two of the people in my kinda tier voted for him (you and joseph, though the fact that joseph is the one whom i'm worried about accidentally complicitly killing clouds things a bit).


so, socrates, what's your scoop? corrupted any children lately, like, for example, rr, in your mafia qt? does it smell bad cop in here or is it just me? etc.
I didn't really want to vote for him, but he seemed like the least bad wagon.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #784 on: September 21, 2016, 03:11:12 am »

Schadd townslips again and again
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #785 on: September 21, 2016, 04:01:36 am »

Schadd townslips again and again
Either he's been very well coached in the scum QT, which seems unlikely, or he's obv!town
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #786 on: September 21, 2016, 04:07:45 am »

(i'm realizing how scary it is to have this many scum in the voterbase, and it is maybe easier for 2 people to coordinate a non-suspicious hammer than 3? but, ofc, i've never witnessed this scenario so i dunno)

I wouldn't worry about this until much later. I haven't really seen scum double hammer this early in the game.
i'm thinking something along the lines of:


me: vote on guy
scum1: vote on guy! yes!
scum2: ooh good yes! how about hammer, eh? discussion!?
scum1, scum3 in unison: yes, discussion! okay
scum2: alright. allow me to hammer now that we have discussioned
me (none the wiser): oh no, 'twas an innocent!


...if that makes sense
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Another townslip it seems.
This is not a townslip. The discussion that schadd imagines is clearly taking place in the game thread.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #787 on: September 21, 2016, 09:56:07 am »

Schadd townslips again and again
Either he's been very well coached in the scum QT, which seems unlikely, or he's obv!town
vous have my permission to not point these out anymore

This is not a townslip. The discussion that schadd imagines is clearly taking place in the game thread.
perhaps. at least, the thing i theorized shouldn't need a daychat to work
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #788 on: September 21, 2016, 10:05:24 am »

Schadd townslips again and again
Either he's been very well coached in the scum QT, which seems unlikely, or he's obv!town
vous have my permission to not point these out anymore

This is not a townslip. The discussion that schadd imagines is clearly taking place in the game thread.
perhaps. at least, the thing i theorized shouldn't need a daychat to work

Why wouldn't you want him to point them out anymore?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #789 on: September 21, 2016, 10:38:27 am »

My list of towns from yesterday are still towns. Joseph is scum.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #790 on: September 21, 2016, 11:53:02 am »

Schadd townslips again and again
Either he's been very well coached in the scum QT, which seems unlikely, or he's obv!town
vous have my permission to not point these out anymore

This is not a townslip. The discussion that schadd imagines is clearly taking place in the game thread.
perhaps. at least, the thing i theorized shouldn't need a daychat to work

Why wouldn't you want him to point them out anymore?
the point has been hammered into the ground. if i'm indeed being coached by my scumfriends (which seems to be the main concern?) then this is a bottomless well of town points. save it for when i'm about to be lynched at least.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #791 on: September 21, 2016, 03:25:53 pm »

My list of towns from yesterday are still towns. Joseph is scum.
You're wrong.
I understand where people are coming from, but we need to find actual scum, not an idiot with a terrible reads list.
Lynching me is bad - easy mislynch, and what information will you get from it?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #792 on: September 21, 2016, 05:10:21 pm »

I reread RR, that was a productive 17 seconds.  Said nothing D1.  Is lynchworthy. 
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #793 on: September 21, 2016, 06:35:46 pm »

My list of towns from yesterday are still towns. Joseph is scum.
You're wrong.
I understand where people are coming from, but we need to find actual scum, not an idiot with a terrible reads list.
Lynching me is bad - easy mislynch, and what information will you get from it?

I really don't like this defense.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #794 on: September 21, 2016, 06:37:40 pm »

Schadd townslips again and again
Either he's been very well coached in the scum QT, which seems unlikely, or he's obv!town
vous have my permission to not point these out anymore

This is not a townslip. The discussion that schadd imagines is clearly taking place in the game thread.
perhaps. at least, the thing i theorized shouldn't need a daychat to work

Why wouldn't you want him to point them out anymore?
the point has been hammered into the ground. if i'm indeed being coached by my scumfriends (which seems to be the main concern?) then this is a bottomless well of town points. save it for when i'm about to be lynched at least.

Eh you look townie to me anyway.  You also seem like you would be terribly difficult to coach, because you have a very distinct style, and it seems like stuff that you were coached from would clearly not be from you if that makes sense.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #795 on: September 21, 2016, 06:43:48 pm »

(i'm realizing how scary it is to have this many scum in the voterbase, and it is maybe easier for 2 people to coordinate a non-suspicious hammer than 3? but, ofc, i've never witnessed this scenario so i dunno)

I wouldn't worry about this until much later. I haven't really seen scum double hammer this early in the game.

There is no reason for scum to do this on D2.  It would look pretty suspicious.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #796 on: September 21, 2016, 06:50:48 pm »

Day 1 Final Vote Count:

J Reggie (3):  iguanaiguana, schadd, LaLight
mail-mi (7): J Reggie, SpaceAnemone, gkrieg13, Joseph2302, faust, witherweaver, silverspawn
RoadRunner7671 (1): mail-mi

Not Voting (1): RR

With 12 alive, it took 7 to lynch.

So looking at the wagon, and knowing the alignments of silverspawn and faust, it leaves a pretty small list that probably contains at least one scum on it.  Unless all scum were on J Reggie (which seems pretty highly unlikely), then at least one is in the 4 people (WW, Joseph, SA, JReggie.)

I'll probably do rereads of those four later, but this makes me feel better about my vote on Joseph.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #797 on: September 21, 2016, 06:53:52 pm »

Hm, that's not a bad point.

Except why are you assuming J Reggie is town?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #798 on: September 21, 2016, 06:54:23 pm »

Oh, or maybe you're not.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #799 on: September 21, 2016, 07:07:33 pm »

Ya I don't get where I'm assuming that.  And I'm not.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #800 on: September 21, 2016, 07:13:55 pm »

Hm, that's not a bad point.

Except why are you assuming J Reggie is town?

You should assume I'm town because I am.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #801 on: September 21, 2016, 07:25:35 pm »

Eh you look townie to me anyway.  You also seem like you would be terribly difficult to coach, because you have a very distinct style, and it seems like stuff that you were coached from would clearly not be from you if that makes sense.
yabba dabba doo.


mail-mi's dying words were pretty cool. i dunno what they necessarily offer (j reggie and gkrieg now seem 10% townier than the rest of us, i guess).


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My list of towns from yesterday are still towns. Joseph is scum.
You're wrong.
I understand where people are coming from, but we need to find actual scum, not an idiot with a terrible reads list.
Lynching me is bad - easy mislynch, and what information will you get from it?

you worded that so much like a politician that it makes me wanna vote for you. what sorts of things have other people said in the past as they were in front of the crosshairs of a lynchgun?


  since my earlier position was nebulous, how about, i will vote for joseph tomorrow if he's still at 3. until then, i would still urge people to consider roadrunner. he is just not doing anything
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #802 on: September 21, 2016, 07:28:08 pm »

Eh you look townie to me anyway.  You also seem like you would be terribly difficult to coach, because you have a very distinct style, and it seems like stuff that you were coached from would clearly not be from you if that makes sense.
yabba dabba doo.


mail-mi's dying words were pretty cool. i dunno what they necessarily offer (j reggie and gkrieg now seem 10% townier than the rest of us, i guess).


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You're wrong.
I understand where people are coming from, but we need to find actual scum, not an idiot with a terrible reads list.
Lynching me is bad - easy mislynch, and what information will you get from it?
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you worded that so much like a politician that it makes me wanna vote for you. what sorts of things have other people said in the past as they were in front of the crosshairs of a lynchgun?


  since my earlier position was nebulous, how about, i will vote for joseph tomorrow if he's still at 3. until then, i would still urge people to consider roadrunner. he is just not doing anything


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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #803 on: September 21, 2016, 07:28:27 pm »

My list of towns from yesterday are still towns. Joseph is scum.
You're wrong.
I understand where people are coming from, but we need to find actual scum, not an idiot with a terrible reads list.
Lynching me is bad - easy mislynch, and what information will you get from it?

you worded that so much like a politician that it makes me wanna vote for you. what sorts of things have other people said in the past as they were in front of the crosshairs of a lynchgun?


  since my earlier position was nebulous, how about, i will vote for joseph tomorrow if he's still at 3. until then, i would still urge people to consider roadrunner. he is just not doing anything

uff. that was supposed to be (i've had this problem before):


My list of towns from yesterday are still towns. Joseph is scum.
You're wrong.
I understand where people are coming from, but we need to find actual scum, not an idiot with a terrible reads list.
Lynching me is bad - easy mislynch, and what information will you get from it?
you worded that so much like a politician that it makes me wanna vote for you. what sorts of things have other people said in the past as they were in front of the crosshairs of a lynchgun?


  since my earlier position was nebulous, how about, i will vote for joseph tomorrow if he's still at 3. until then, i would still urge people to consider roadrunner. he is just not doing anything
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #804 on: September 21, 2016, 07:38:22 pm »

Here's my D2 list of everyone so far... I'm not the world's best skim-reader, but I tried to re-read all the relevant people enough to get a proper impression.

Witherweaver -- Maybe scummy? The snarky stuff from D1, plus being towards the end of the Mail-mi wagon.
LaLight -- Townie.
silverspawn -- Town and Dead :-(
gkrieg13 -- Null, verging on mild town. Makes some good points, but I feel like I'm not getting as much townie vibe as I'd like alongside.
faust -- IC
Roadrunner7671 -- Still barely there.
Joseph2302 -- Mild scum. Defending schadd one too many times, possibly. Why re-post his D1 reads twice? I could believe he's genuinely short on time, I guess.
SpaceAnemone -- Spaaaaaaaaaace!
J Reggie -- A bit similiar to gkrieg, really.
schadd -- Townslipping or maybe scumslipping or something. I'm suspicious, but not confident enough to vote without more experienced people weighing in.
iguanaiguana -- What happened there? At least he's still around sort of!
mail-mi -- Dead and Town. Though I thought I had good reason to be suspicious in D1.

Let's go with vote: WW for now, since I get less town vibe from him than I do from gkrieg/JReggie, and those three are the onces from Mail-mi's wagon who are most likely to be scum.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #805 on: September 22, 2016, 05:15:44 am »

Vote Count 2.3:

Joseph2302 (3): LaLight, iguanaiguana, gkrieg13
Roadrunner7671 (1): schadd
iguanaiguana (1): Witherweaver
Witherweaver (1): SpaceAnemone

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #806 on: September 22, 2016, 10:56:36 am »

Still traveling until Monday.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #807 on: September 22, 2016, 11:38:48 am »

Can everyone give their opinion an Space-A, please?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #808 on: September 22, 2016, 11:41:13 am »

Can everyone give their opinion an Space-A, please?

They're pretty null. Slightly helpful. Nothing really to say
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #809 on: September 22, 2016, 11:42:21 am »

Can everyone give their opinion an Space-A, please?

Here's my opinion: vote: SpaceAnemone

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #810 on: September 22, 2016, 11:42:21 am »

Hm, that's not a bad point.

Except why are you assuming J Reggie is town?

You should assume I'm town because I am.

This is a strange way to phrase this.  Not sure if it is alignment indicative or not.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #811 on: September 22, 2016, 11:42:41 am »

Can everyone give their opinion an Space-A, please?

This will be the first of the four rereads I will do
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #812 on: September 22, 2016, 11:44:00 am »

I expected to find Space scummy, but didn't really when I reread.  Posts feel somewhat honest, not really constructed.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #813 on: September 22, 2016, 11:48:24 am »

I found SpaceAnemone pretty null and non-present, which I think is a good reason for a wagon at this point in the game. 

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #814 on: September 22, 2016, 12:51:42 pm »

Can everyone give their opinion an Space-A, please?

Yeah, mostly just very honest since I don't have anything more subtle in my arsenal. Kinda bummed that my best scum read from D1 turned out to have been telling the truth about being VT, and confused about it having been fine for him to come out as a VT at that stage anyway. I was trying so hard not to be driven by delayed OMGUS reaction over the way the BSG game went, but maybe the scums picked a good wagon for that very reason. Or maybe I made it a good wagon by making actual cases :-/

I think this game lacks the drama of BSG, and therefore isn't driving people to be as invested in it as other games at the moment. I'm a bit guilty of feeling like that, which is probably why I leave this game till last and end up posting in it when I'm tired. Controversially, I also think a bit of fluff makes it easier for people to talk and get engaged too, and there was nice fluff here till fluff analysis became too much of a thing. Anyway, if a wagon on me makes for some interesting times, then I can offer to claim at L-1 or Intent or something? It will be fun to see who tries to say I'm being scummy, anyway.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #815 on: September 22, 2016, 12:54:31 pm »

Can everyone give their opinion an Space-A, please?

Yeah, mostly just very honest since I don't have anything more subtle in my arsenal. Kinda bummed that my best scum read from D1 turned out to have been telling the truth about being VT, and confused about it having been fine for him to come out as a VT at that stage anyway. I was trying so hard not to be driven by delayed OMGUS reaction over the way the BSG game went, but maybe the scums picked a good wagon for that very reason. Or maybe I made it a good wagon by making actual cases :-/

I think this game lacks the drama of BSG, and therefore isn't driving people to be as invested in it as other games at the moment. I'm a bit guilty of feeling like that, which is probably why I leave this game till last and end up posting in it when I'm tired. Controversially, I also think a bit of fluff makes it easier for people to talk and get engaged too, and there was nice fluff here till fluff analysis became too much of a thing. Anyway, if a wagon on me makes for some interesting times, then I can offer to claim at L-1 or Intent or something? It will be fun to see who tries to say I'm being scummy, anyway.

Man you sound so scummy when you defend yourself.  I was already wrong about you once (and was sure of it then), but this defense is very scummy, yet sounds similar to BSG.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #816 on: September 22, 2016, 12:58:39 pm »

And still noone hasn't told me about Joseph's meta.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #817 on: September 22, 2016, 01:11:10 pm »

And still noone hasn't told me about Joseph's meta.

Gets lynched a lot. Always scummy; I don't remember which games he was scum in.
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« Reply #818 on: September 22, 2016, 01:11:43 pm »

Fun fact: Gkrieg was only voted once this game, by me during RVS.
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« Reply #819 on: September 22, 2016, 01:16:37 pm »

Fun fact: Gkrieg was only voted once this game, by me during RVS.

So that means I need to vote you now, seeing as you are the only person I can OMGUS?
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« Reply #820 on: September 22, 2016, 01:17:57 pm »

Fun fact: Gkrieg was only voted once this game, by me during RVS.

So that means I need to vote you now, seeing as you are the only person I can OMGUS?

Sounds good

Vote: Gkrieg
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« Reply #821 on: September 22, 2016, 01:19:04 pm »

Gkrieg and Iguana read very similar in tone on Day 1.
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« Reply #822 on: September 22, 2016, 04:05:50 pm »

And still noone hasn't told me about Joseph's meta.

Gets lynched a lot. Always scummy; I don't remember which games he was scum in.
It's the one that shall not be named.
83, and it still annoys me.
And a couple of really old ones too (one of them was the Christmas 2014 mafia)
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #823 on: September 22, 2016, 05:04:09 pm »

Vote: WW
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #824 on: September 22, 2016, 05:06:20 pm »

Why a vote on WW?
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« Reply #825 on: September 22, 2016, 05:07:11 pm »

It's never a good idea.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #826 on: September 22, 2016, 05:21:28 pm »

Why a vote on WW?
Because I think he's scummy.
I'm reasonably sure one of WW and gkrieg is scum, and I think WW is scummier right now.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #827 on: September 22, 2016, 05:23:27 pm »

Sorry for my slight VLA! I'm back home with a computer again now :-)

Vote: Witherweaver because my not-very-well-informed gut says so, my re-read isn't really going in any particular direction very quickly this late at night.

Also, why is RR so quiet?

So this is SA's first real vote.  Scummy that they say "not-very-well-informed", because it seems like a grab for town points.

I should possibly talk about the game more.

I feel like this the sort of self-conscious segue that got me scumread elsewhere :-(

LaLight, could you do me a favor and quote some of the stuff that made you think WW has additional knowledge?

I felt like WW definitely has confidence, and a slightly sarcastic attitude at times, with things like the "So there are like six scum?" comment in #259. There's a fair bit of answering questions with questions, especially things like "So you understand everyone else's play?" (at #87)... that stuff was my reason for voting WW, at least. I don't really know what's going on in D1 anyway :-P

Once again, the "I don't know what is going on in D1" just reads as trying to appear more newbie than they really are.

My reads are problematically mostly null or very mild, but here there are anyway.

Witherweaver -- Null (still overconfident/sarky, though!)
LaLight -- Still very newbie!town.
silverspawn -- Null.. He has a lot of short posts I can't really get my teeth into.
gkrieg13 -- Mild town (and I have sympathy with him having put this on the back burner spend time trying to win BSG, even though he actually killed me!)
faust -- Null so far, leaning mild town.
Roadrunner7671 -- I don't even know.
Joseph2302 -- Mild town
SpaceAnemone -- Spaaaaaaaaaace!
J Reggie -- Null. Some bits of him seem scummy, but other bits seem quite towny.
schadd -- Mild scum maybe, if he knows people here from other forum interactions?
iguanaiguana -- Towny.
mail-mi -- Mild scum. I did just come from a game where he was scum, and he seems really similar.

There are newbies in the game, so the little bit of fluff earlier was really welcome as far as I'm concerned, because it's too hard to engage with the rest of you discussing people's meta when I haven't quite formed my own opinion of most people here. I don't think interacting with people is a bad thing to encourage to make sure stuff keeps happening in D1.

@JReggie: Howcome nobody's made you add unique text to your profile to make you easier to search for?

I'm going to vote: Mail-mi because mild scum is the best I've come up with, and my other scumread is a newbie.

Reads list.  Not too much here.  Everything looks like it's in its place.

Huh, I'm still not understanding the J Reggie wagon at all, even though I think a bunch of strong people are backing it. I'm unlikely to move my vote there unless someone can break the case down into newbie-speak for me.

Faust's tone in his posts from earlier today seems oddly hostile and defensive, which makes me lean a bit more scum-wards on him than my reads yesterday.

@Iguana: what are your reasons for thinking that Mail-mi is a town? I feel like he's at least a bit scummy.

Fights against the J Reggie wagon.

where is SA? They were pretty active in BSG and Olympics (while they were alive) but here, even after BSG has ended, they're still missing. That's scummy.

Seriously, Mail-mi? I was quiet early in the BSG game, and scum!you basically started tunnelling town!me from that point on. So now I feel even more strongly that you sound scummy here.

Sort of a delayed OMGUS between games.  I can see it clouding town!SA's judgement as well though.


there's other stuff that makes me feel like you have a much better handle on things than you're saying
thank you
Haha, don't thank me yet... One thing that's making me quite suspicious is that you have the only use of the word "townslip" in this entire thread, which isn't really a very newbie sort of thing to come out with unless you were coached in a scum QT or something...
that is a term that i came up with while pooping. is it a real thing?

The term is certainly something that I've seen talked about around here, and your post didn't give me the impression you were overtly attempting to coin a new term.

What do the rest of you think about it?

This is an interesting post.  At least SA's looking at schadd's use of townslip looks like scum hunting.  I guess town points here.

Yay, the forum is back!! This is what I was trying to post last night when it died...

So, the weekend is over, and it's time for ou guys to put in some work, make cases, and such things. I have thoughts, but I will not reveal them. Instead, I want everyone to take the following pledge:

"If there is no lynch 12 hours before deadline, I will vote for whoever faust decides we should lynch."

/semi-pledge :-) If you decide I should die, I'm probably not going to want to vote for myself, and since I'm under some suspicion just now, I feel it's not such an edge case. I'd also like to keep the right to using my own brain to do re-reads and form conclusions of my own.

I like the point that gkrieg/schadd have made that while you have the clearest town motives of any of us, you also have less information. I know you also have a great reputation for being good at this game, so obviously your thoughts deserve an audience, but you can't be right all the time with so little information out there, so I think there's room for a contrary newbie :-) I mean no offence.. this is coming from a place of having been mislynched by a much more experienced player who wouldn't listen to my arguments and cases in the previous game, and town having lost because I just couldn't get through to him.

Another post that looks like it could come from town!SA or scum!SA.  Townie because I really do think they would be very conscious of how they are seen by other people, because I mislynched them at LYLO, scum because they should be conscious of how they are seen by other people because they will be correctly lynched.

Here's my D2 list of everyone so far... I'm not the world's best skim-reader, but I tried to re-read all the relevant people enough to get a proper impression.

Witherweaver -- Maybe scummy? The snarky stuff from D1, plus being towards the end of the Mail-mi wagon.
LaLight -- Townie.
silverspawn -- Town and Dead :-(
gkrieg13 -- Null, verging on mild town. Makes some good points, but I feel like I'm not getting as much townie vibe as I'd like alongside.
faust -- IC
Roadrunner7671 -- Still barely there.
Joseph2302 -- Mild scum. Defending schadd one too many times, possibly. Why re-post his D1 reads twice? I could believe he's genuinely short on time, I guess.
SpaceAnemone -- Spaaaaaaaaaace!
J Reggie -- A bit similiar to gkrieg, really.
schadd -- Townslipping or maybe scumslipping or something. I'm suspicious, but not confident enough to vote without more experienced people weighing in.
iguanaiguana -- What happened there? At least he's still around sort of!
mail-mi -- Dead and Town. Though I thought I had good reason to be suspicious in D1.

Let's go with vote: WW for now, since I get less town vibe from him than I do from gkrieg/JReggie, and those three are the onces from Mail-mi's wagon who are most likely to be scum.

Other reads list.  Interesting that not a lot has changed.  Still wants to vote for WW, for something that he did earlier in the game.  It doesn't seem like their reads have changed all that much actually.  The only ones that are that different are on faust and Joseph.  Faust jumps from null to town (not really much choice there), and Joseph jumps from mild town to mild scum.

Overall none of their posts give me huge TOWN signs.  No flashing lights.  Definitely on my would-lynch list with Joseph.  J Reggie and WW are up next on my list, but they will probably be later today or tomorrow.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #828 on: September 22, 2016, 05:23:58 pm »

Why a vote on WW?
Because I think he's scummy.
I'm reasonably sure one of WW and gkrieg is scum, and I think WW is scummier right now.

Why just WW and me?  What has ruled SA out?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #829 on: September 22, 2016, 05:29:19 pm »

Why a vote on WW?
Because I think he's scummy.
I'm reasonably sure one of WW and gkrieg is scum, and I think WW is scummier right now.

Why would you be reasonably sure of that?  I"m not even reasonably sure, and I'm voting Gkrieg.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #830 on: September 22, 2016, 06:02:32 pm »

Vote: WW
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #831 on: September 22, 2016, 06:47:02 pm »

so. i'm still very much suspicious of joseph, and i said yesterday that i was gonna vote for him. that said, he said that he was gonna be limited access and i only just noticed that now, so i guess that's on hold.


i am also content to
vote: ww
...since he has seemed pretty unhelpful and hasn't really responded to the several things space-a and i said
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #832 on: September 22, 2016, 07:37:29 pm »

Huh, I'm still not understanding the J Reggie wagon at all, even though I think a bunch of strong people are backing it. I'm unlikely to move my vote there unless someone can break the case down into newbie-speak for me.

Fights against the J Reggie wagon.
I wasn't doing any fighting!! I asked for someone to explain it to me because I didn't see it at all. It was an invitation for someone who read him as scummy to make a case I could really follow, because still he doesn't read as especially scummy to me. I'm aware that could just be some kind of unconscious bias in favour of his tone or something (kinda like you thinking I just sound scummy?), so I'd like to hear other arguments.

where is SA? They were pretty active in BSG and Olympics (while they were alive) but here, even after BSG has ended, they're still missing. That's scummy.

Seriously, Mail-mi? I was quiet early in the BSG game, and scum!you basically started tunnelling town!me from that point on. So now I feel even more strongly that you sound scummy here.

Sort of a delayed OMGUS between games.  I can see it clouding town!SA's judgement as well though.

And also, an absolutely solid argument on my part because he did complain about exactly the same thing in BSGt... so for him to contradict that here made him look really scummy to me! He openly admitted I was right in post #609, but you conveniently forgot to quote that part.

Other reads list.  Interesting that not a lot has changed.  Still wants to vote for WW, for something that he did earlier in the game.
The Mail-mi wagon has a lot to do with it, too. The three suspicious people are WW, you, and J Reggie, if I assume that at least one scum was on the wagon. I'm not really seeing the argument on J Reggie, and I feel like you're doing the right sort of stuff, even though I'm not the right target, so that leaves WW as the most suspicious. I'll be interested to see your reads on those two once you've done them, though.
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« Reply #833 on: September 22, 2016, 07:42:26 pm »

Huh, I'm still not understanding the J Reggie wagon at all, even though I think a bunch of strong people are backing it. I'm unlikely to move my vote there unless someone can break the case down into newbie-speak for me.

Fights against the J Reggie wagon.
I wasn't doing any fighting!! I asked for someone to explain it to me because I didn't see it at all. It was an invitation for someone who read him as scummy to make a case I could really follow, because still he doesn't read as especially scummy to me. I'm aware that could just be some kind of unconscious bias in favour of his tone or something (kinda like you thinking I just sound scummy?), so I'd like to hear other arguments.

where is SA? They were pretty active in BSG and Olympics (while they were alive) but here, even after BSG has ended, they're still missing. That's scummy.

Seriously, Mail-mi? I was quiet early in the BSG game, and scum!you basically started tunnelling town!me from that point on. So now I feel even more strongly that you sound scummy here.

Sort of a delayed OMGUS between games.  I can see it clouding town!SA's judgement as well though.

And also, an absolutely solid argument on my part because he did complain about exactly the same thing in BSGt... so for him to contradict that here made him look really scummy to me! He openly admitted I was right in post #609, but you conveniently forgot to quote that part.

Other reads list.  Interesting that not a lot has changed.  Still wants to vote for WW, for something that he did earlier in the game.
The Mail-mi wagon has a lot to do with it, too. The three suspicious people are WW, you, and J Reggie, if I assume that at least one scum was on the wagon. I'm not really seeing the argument on J Reggie, and I feel like you're doing the right sort of stuff, even though I'm not the right target, so that leaves WW as the most suspicious. I'll be interested to see your reads on those two once you've done them, though.

Why are you taking Joseph out of the lynch pool of people who were on the mail-mi wagon?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #834 on: September 22, 2016, 08:06:17 pm »

Oops!! Not skipping Joseph intentionally in the PoE thing! It's really late, so I was going from memory, and there were too many names beginning with G/J. Will look again tomorrow evening but need to be sleeping right now.. sorry!
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #835 on: September 22, 2016, 08:56:50 pm »

What makes this list the most suspicious?
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« Reply #836 on: September 22, 2016, 08:58:46 pm »

And what do you mean by "the right stuff"?

And if you don't see the "argument" on J Reggie, why is the nonargument on me okay?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #837 on: September 22, 2016, 09:40:45 pm »

I meant to do this earlier but WW has been too out of sights. He's done this talking wise and voting wise

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #838 on: September 22, 2016, 10:05:14 pm »

What does out of sights mean?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #839 on: September 22, 2016, 10:05:57 pm »

Is that L-1?
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« Reply #840 on: September 22, 2016, 10:08:04 pm »

This would be a dumb lynch.
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« Reply #841 on: September 22, 2016, 10:14:14 pm »

I meant to do this earlier but WW has been too out of sights. He's done this talking wise and voting wise

Vire

Vote: WW
you're one to talk.


This would be a dumb lynch.
why is that? (how does that feel?)
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #842 on: September 22, 2016, 10:31:08 pm »

I'm not really a fan.  All of the reasons for voting WW are pretty bad.  And Joseph and SA are just much better candidates.  I guess I have time so I'll do my reread of WW now.
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« Reply #843 on: September 22, 2016, 11:06:25 pm »

everyone is giving me ok vibes but i don't like that mail-mi was the 4th person to vote for me (though that might have just been an Out Of Character Joke) and then said a bunch mercurial stuff


so, uh, vote: mail-mi


also, how bad is it to say things like i also want to not be voting faust because we are scumfriends that were roommates in mafia school and also mail-mi told me to vote for him in our mason thing? asking for a friend

Not bad at all.

His reaction to the case on mail-mi.

I'd support a flavor claim

This I don't think was scummy.  I think he just didn't know.

He pushes J Reggie pretty hard, and pretty blindly D1.  Ironically, the only two wagons at the end of the day were people that he was willing to lynch all day.

Man like half of his posts end in question marks.

Also, why is RR so quiet?
What do you want me to say?
something that makes it clear that you are mafia so we can lynch you. and not me

This guy.  I like him.
that's good regarding the whole lynching me concern that i expressed

Well I might lynch you, but I'll feel sad over it.

I guess this is his read on schadd?

If you're going to vote me because I'm sarcastic, you're gonna have a bad time.

Hey he foreshadowed what would happen today!

I should possibly talk about the game more.

LaLight, could you do me a favor and quote some of the stuff that made you think WW has additional knowledge?

SA pretty made the point. In this particular game I feel like WW sitting in the shadows and manipulating everyone, sometimes throwing phrases like "we're all in trouble", "do smth and I will show you smth" and all the rest are jokes and sarcasm. I don't like this feeling, it's like he's scum who is really-really sure no-one would lynch him

Why would I be sure no one would lynch me as scum?  It's kind of all you think about when you're scum.

I don't know of this yet. Can you explain your "Put someone on L-1" stuff?

There was a question posed on the consensus on lynching someone quickly.  I responded that I would answer that question if someone was put to L-1, the implication being that I would hammer that person, thereby quickly lynching someone and answering his question.  It would also work if I didn't hammer, because then I'd be answering the question by not choosing a quick lynch. 

I was not going to actually instahammer someone, except for those individuals who have earned such treatment from me, so it was not an honest promise.

This is also a very witherweavery thing to say.  Not alignment indicative for him I don't think.

Actually, I don't think fluffy Faust is generally scummy Faust.  More the opposite.

He has a town read on faust.

I don't want to lynch Faust.. probably not Iguana.  Probably not Schadd.  Think I'd go for anyone else.  I don't really remember what made me think J Reggie was scummy, but I trust six-day-ago me.  He's a smart guy.

So he is kind of tunnelling J Reggie at the beginning of the day and then he can't even remember why he was doing that. 

I'm happy lynching either Mail-Mi or J Reggie.

And then he goes back to wanting to lynch J Reggie.

(note that if we do lynch WW and he flips scum, I think this implies J Reggie is innocent)

12. mail-mi - scummy.  would lynch

Why is Mail-Mi scummy?

Then like three posts later he asks this.  So either he didn't think mail-mi was scummy but was willing to lynch him, or he just likes asking questions.

I kind of don't think scum!Mail-Mi claims VT here.

Keeps defending mail-mi.

Sure I guess I'm okay with either

Vote: Mail-Mi

is probably L-1

Then finally puts a vote on him.  This could be either scum being opportunistic, or it could just be general apathy towards them both.
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I think it's fairly likely that the wagons the last day were all on town.

The top suspects for today are iguana, Joseph, Space-A.

Gut says Space is the place.


Has this case on SA.  Again, I think that SA or Joseph should be the lynch today, so I like the case.

And I wouldn't really pledge such a thing anyway.  Though there is a decent chance I'd end up voting with you.

I like his choice on the pledge thing.  I don't think town!WW would just blindly sheep faust.

Anyone feel

Vote: Iguana ?

This is just an interesting vote.  It feels like scum trying to see if anyone is willing to start a wagon on a mislynch.

I reread RR, that was a productive 17 seconds.  Said nothing D1.  Is lynchworthy.

So his current list of would-lynch includes iguana, SA, RR. 

I expected to find Space scummy, but didn't really when I reread.  Posts feel somewhat honest, not really constructed.

But then he backs off of SA.

Fun fact: Gkrieg was only voted once this game, by me during RVS.

So that means I need to vote you now, seeing as you are the only person I can OMGUS?

Sounds good

Vote: Gkrieg

This is just strange and I don't understand it.  Why does no one voting for me the whole game make me scummy?  I'm not sure if this is a serious vote or not.

Why a vote on WW?
Because I think he's scummy.
I'm reasonably sure one of WW and gkrieg is scum, and I think WW is scummier right now.

Why would you be reasonably sure of that?  I"m not even reasonably sure, and I'm voting Gkrieg.

More things I don't understand.  Is he saying that he isn't even reasonably sure that WW or gkrieg is scum?

Conclusion

So that was probably one of the worst formatted cases ever.  WW had felt townie to me out of the people that were on the mail-mi mislynch.  After rereading him, I understand where everyone else is coming from.  WW has always been impossible for me to read, and I feel like he comes out of this as null, and I would much rather lynch Joseph or SA at this point.  Also he is incredibly difficult to reread. 

He is flip-floppy with relation to mail-mi in a way that is opportunistic, but in a way that it could just be unsureness (I think that is a word).  I don't like his interaction with J Reggie either.  He tunnels him for most of the day, but doesn't ever really say why.  What really kills me D2 is the lack of explanation for his votes.  His RR vote is just saying that rereading him was productive, and that RR said nothing.  I don't get his vote on me at all either.  But from what I remember, unexplained votes and wanting D1 to end are both WW!WW things.

Luckily we have lots of time left in the Day.  I'm going to have to sleep on this and give it some more thought.  I just remember WW doing a good job of fooling me in my first game, and I don't want that to cloud my judgement here.  My gut says that he is town, and my reread says he is null.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #844 on: September 22, 2016, 11:09:10 pm »

I meant to do this earlier but WW has been too out of sights. He's done this talking wise and voting wise

Vire

Vote: WW
you're one to talk.


This would be a dumb lynch.
why is that? (how does that feel?)
Yeah, I know. But it's scummy coming from WW
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« Reply #845 on: September 23, 2016, 01:22:31 am »

well. As I've told earlier couple of times WW is practically impossibe for me to read. He seems townie, but as I know his level, he can easily flip scum after all. Intent to hammer
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« Reply #846 on: September 23, 2016, 01:35:21 am »

also, I believe faust here. I /pledged. but i really want to listen to WW.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #847 on: September 23, 2016, 02:01:56 am »

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« Reply #848 on: September 23, 2016, 02:02:33 am »

He seems townie, but as I know his level, he can easily flip scum after all. Intent to hammer
This is the worst reason ever to vote for someone.
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« Reply #849 on: September 23, 2016, 02:03:23 am »

also, I believe faust here. I /pledged. but i really want to listen to WW.
The pledge is only for the last 12 hours of the day. Before that, you're not supposed to turn your brain on standby.
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« Reply #850 on: September 23, 2016, 02:04:16 am »

Out of the sheep, RR is easily the worst.
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« Reply #851 on: September 23, 2016, 03:07:51 am »

also, I believe faust here. I /pledged. but i really want to listen to WW.
The pledge is only for the last 12 hours of the day. Before that, you're not supposed to turn your brain on standby.

I am not turning it. I want to listen to WW at first and think. Now I don't see him as scum nor town. He's just.. WitherWeaver. And I won't hammer him or clear him until I listen to something that will somehow indicate his alignment in my eyes.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #852 on: September 23, 2016, 07:26:17 am »

Vote Count 2.4:

Joseph2302 (3): LaLight, iguanaiguana, gkrieg13
Witherweaver (4): SpaceAnemone, Joseph2302, schadd, Roadrunner7671
SpaceAnemone (1): J Reggie
Gkrieg13 (1): Witherweaver

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #853 on: September 23, 2016, 07:59:54 am »

well. As I've told earlier couple of times WW is practically impossibe for me to read. He seems townie, but as I know his level, he can easily flip scum after all. Intent to hammer
He's only on L-2, according to the vote count
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« Reply #854 on: September 23, 2016, 08:00:13 am »

well. As I've told earlier couple of times WW is practically impossibe for me to read. He seems townie, but as I know his level, he can easily flip scum after all. Intent to hammer
He's only on L-2, according to the vote count

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #855 on: September 23, 2016, 08:00:49 am »

And that wagon came quickly.

Doesn't necessarily mean it's a bad one.

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« Reply #856 on: September 23, 2016, 08:01:17 am »

well. As I've told earlier couple of times WW is practically impossibe for me to read. He seems townie, but as I know his level, he can easily flip scum after all. Intent to hammer
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #857 on: September 23, 2016, 09:58:46 am »

...

My reasons for not liking J Reggie on Day 1 related to the other, still ongoing game.  I still shouldn't say much about it, since that game is still ongoing.

The only thing that really abated them somewhat was his reaction to almost getting lynched.

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« Reply #858 on: September 23, 2016, 10:01:09 am »

...

My reasons for not liking J Reggie on Day 1 related to the other, still ongoing game.  I still shouldn't say much about it, since that game is still ongoing.

The only thing that really abated them somewhat was his reaction to almost getting lynched.

I don't like him being pretty silent D2 compared to D1 also.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #859 on: September 23, 2016, 10:02:10 am »

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This is just an interesting vote.  It feels like scum trying to see if anyone is willing to start a wagon on a mislynch.

Are you implying that you think Iguana is town?

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More things I don't understand.  Is he saying that he isn't even reasonably sure that WW or gkrieg is scum?

You or I scum is equivalent to You scum, of which I am not sure.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #860 on: September 23, 2016, 10:17:53 am »

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This is just an interesting vote.  It feels like scum trying to see if anyone is willing to start a wagon on a mislynch.

Are you implying that you think Iguana is town?

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More things I don't understand.  Is he saying that he isn't even reasonably sure that WW or gkrieg is scum?

You or I scum is equivalent to You scum, of which I am not sure.

I think he is on the townier side. And I also want to lynch out of the mislynch people.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #861 on: September 23, 2016, 10:20:11 am »

I voted Gkrieg after rereading, for similar reasons that I voted Iguana.  The Day 1 posts of both have a little bit of forced nonchalantness, something in particular scum tries to emulates.

Gkrieg is present Day 1 without ever doing a whole lot.  A decent amount of criticizing/pseudodefending cases and not really making his own.  Also the thing on Mail-Mi (which was his first active thing on D1)... putting at L-1, saying it wasn't the expected reaction.  It's not like that can't be townie, but it felt a little forced, as if he was planning to not find Mail-Mi lynchworthy. (A hammer would have looked bad, but doing something regarding the wagon that does not result in a mislynch looks good.)  Rest of day is similar; he comes back at the end to go for Mail-Mi, though prefers Faust.

Iguana has an overly 'I'm playing this game really cool and loose, guys' attitude.  Lots of gratuitous punctuation.  Pretty involved with the game, is pretty confident with his case on J Reggie.. reminds me of classical high-content scum, like how I played in my earlier scum games (maybe X-Men).  I'm not so sure Iguana would play that way scum, though.

In both cases, I was curious to see if anything would result from voting, though they were both pretty much ignored.  Saying more stuff may have been better, there.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #862 on: September 23, 2016, 10:23:53 am »

Interesting.

So to sum up:
I think WW or gkrieg is scum
WW is voting gkrieg
Gkrieg thinks WW is town

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« Reply #863 on: September 23, 2016, 10:24:18 am »

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This is just an interesting vote.  It feels like scum trying to see if anyone is willing to start a wagon on a mislynch.

Are you implying that you think Iguana is town?

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More things I don't understand.  Is he saying that he isn't even reasonably sure that WW or gkrieg is scum?

You or I scum is equivalent to You scum, of which I am not sure.

I think he is on the townier side. And I also want to lynch out of the mislynch people.

On the surface that makes sense, but:

J Reggie (3):  iguanaiguana, schadd, LaLight
mail-mi (7): J Reggie, SpaceAnemone, gkrieg13, Joseph2302, faust, witherweaver, silverspawn
RoadRunner7671 (1): mail-mi

Not Voting (1): RR

On-Wagon: J Reggie, Space, Gkrieg, Joseph, Witherweaver
Off-Wagon: Iguana, Schadd, LaLight, RR

Didn't list Faust as he's an IC, Silver and Mail-Mi dead.  So even for someone in the on-wagon list, there's as many possible scum off wagon as on wagon.  Actually people on the off-wagon list have a better chance (ignoring reads) than those on-wagon, removing themselves from the pool.

Oh, yeah, I also found this on-wagon thing a little questionable, in particular how people suddenly started reducing the lynch pool.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #864 on: September 23, 2016, 10:25:53 am »

Interesting.

So to sum up:
I think WW or gkrieg is scum
WW is voting gkrieg
Gkrieg thinks WW is town

Makes me think I was right, WW is scum

Are the lines before the blank line related to the one after through anything other than the implied transitional phrase?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #865 on: September 23, 2016, 10:29:03 am »

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This is just an interesting vote.  It feels like scum trying to see if anyone is willing to start a wagon on a mislynch.

Are you implying that you think Iguana is town?

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More things I don't understand.  Is he saying that he isn't even reasonably sure that WW or gkrieg is scum?

You or I scum is equivalent to You scum, of which I am not sure.

I think he is on the townier side. And I also want to lynch out of the mislynch people.

On the surface that makes sense, but:

J Reggie (3):  iguanaiguana, schadd, LaLight
mail-mi (7): J Reggie, SpaceAnemone, gkrieg13, Joseph2302, faust, witherweaver, silverspawn
RoadRunner7671 (1): mail-mi

Not Voting (1): RR

On-Wagon: J Reggie, Space, Gkrieg, Joseph, Witherweaver
Off-Wagon: Iguana, Schadd, LaLight, RR

Didn't list Faust as he's an IC, Silver and Mail-Mi dead.  So even for someone in the on-wagon list, there's as many possible scum off wagon as on wagon.  Actually people on the off-wagon list have a better chance (ignoring reads) than those on-wagon, removing themselves from the pool.

Oh, yeah, I also found this on-wagon thing a little questionable, in particular how people suddenly started reducing the lynch pool.

I think that is a natural thing to do though. I feel like it is more likely that there were two on and one off in this situation. I'll look back at why, but that was my general feeling when I looked at how the wagon formed.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #866 on: September 23, 2016, 10:29:30 am »

...

My reasons for not liking J Reggie on Day 1 related to the other, still ongoing game.  I still shouldn't say much about it, since that game is still ongoing.

The only thing that really abated them somewhat was his reaction to almost getting lynched.

My reasons for being different from said ongoing game have to do with that game, so obviously this is a case you can't make and I can't defend myself. So maybe let's use stuff that has to do with this game. In which case you should find no reasons to vote for me.

I don't like him being pretty silent D2 compared to D1 also.

I'm aware of that. I've been pretty busy, but I'll try to get back into this game.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #867 on: September 23, 2016, 10:33:33 am »

...

My reasons for not liking J Reggie on Day 1 related to the other, still ongoing game.  I still shouldn't say much about it, since that game is still ongoing.

The only thing that really abated them somewhat was his reaction to almost getting lynched.

My reasons for being different from said ongoing game have to do with that game, so obviously this is a case you can't make and I can't defend myself. So maybe let's use stuff that has to do with this game. In which case you should find no reasons to vote for me.


What?  That's dumb.  I obviously can't elaborate, and I did not, and I didn't say anything about it Day 1 specifically because of the other game.  Being able to make a case or not doesn't have anything to do with where I can vote.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #868 on: September 23, 2016, 10:34:16 am »

I also never said you were different.
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« Reply #869 on: September 23, 2016, 10:42:10 am »

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« Reply #870 on: September 23, 2016, 10:58:54 am »

Lalight is coming off scummy here.

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« Reply #871 on: September 23, 2016, 11:00:48 am »

Lalight is coming off scummy here.

so many translations of "come off" into my language. Can you please tell me what do you mean, I don't understand =(
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« Reply #872 on: September 23, 2016, 11:25:30 am »

Sorry WW. It's just happened before where I've been mislynched at least partially because of ongoing game stuff and I couldn't really defend myself. I just wanted to avoid that happening again.

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« Reply #873 on: September 23, 2016, 11:27:51 am »

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« Reply #874 on: September 23, 2016, 11:28:31 am »

Lalight is coming off scummy here.

so many translations of "come off" into my language. Can you please tell me what do you mean, I don't understand =(
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #875 on: September 23, 2016, 11:30:09 am »

Lalight is coming off scummy here.

so many translations of "come off" into my language. Can you please tell me what do you mean, I don't understand =(
Because of this conversation, it looks like you are more likely to be scum
erm.. I just can't understand the meaning of the word
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #876 on: September 23, 2016, 11:30:39 am »

Lalight is coming off scummy here.

so many translations of "come off" into my language. Can you please tell me what do you mean, I don't understand =(
Because of this conversation, it looks like you are more likely to be scum
erm.. I just can't understand the meaning of the word
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oh well, you explained. Thank you =)
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #877 on: September 23, 2016, 11:37:47 am »

"comes off" can have the connotation "give the impression as a result or byproduct". 

E.g., a guy trying really hard to pick up a girl could come off as desperate. 
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #878 on: September 23, 2016, 11:39:52 am »

"comes off" can have the connotation "give the impression as a result or byproduct". 

E.g., a guy trying really hard to pick up a girl could come off as desperate.

Thanks! I have 16 translations to my language =)
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #879 on: September 23, 2016, 12:18:08 pm »

I voted Gkrieg after rereading, for similar reasons that I voted Iguana.  The Day 1 posts of both have a little bit of forced nonchalantness, something in particular scum tries to emulates.

Gkrieg is present Day 1 without ever doing a whole lot.  A decent amount of criticizing/pseudodefending cases and not really making his own.  Also the thing on Mail-Mi (which was his first active thing on D1)... putting at L-1, saying it wasn't the expected reaction.  It's not like that can't be townie, but it felt a little forced, as if he was planning to not find Mail-Mi lynchworthy. (A hammer would have looked bad, but doing something regarding the wagon that does not result in a mislynch looks good.)  Rest of day is similar; he comes back at the end to go for Mail-Mi, though prefers Faust.

Iguana has an overly 'I'm playing this game really cool and loose, guys' attitude.  Lots of gratuitous punctuation.  Pretty involved with the game, is pretty confident with his case on J Reggie.. reminds me of classical high-content scum, like how I played in my earlier scum games (maybe X-Men).  I'm not so sure Iguana would play that way scum, though.

In both cases, I was curious to see if anything would result from voting, though they were both pretty much ignored.  Saying more stuff may have been better, there.

I don't think I ever do that much D1.  The only times that I have, I got attacked by faust and/or silverspawn.  Honestly the wagons were either mail-mi or J Reggie at the end of the day, and I thought mail-mi was more likely to be scum.  I don't usually make any cases D1.  I still think that putting mail-mi at L-1 was the most productive thing I did D1.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #880 on: September 23, 2016, 05:35:22 pm »

And what do you mean by "the right stuff"?

And if you don't see the "argument" on J Reggie, why is the nonargument on me okay?

"The right stuff" as town means looking for scums, trying to lynch them, and generally posting opinions on stuff. J Reggie seems to be doing that, and he's not really pinging any warnings for me. I mean, I'm inexperienced and probably quite misleadable still, and I'll certainly keep re-evaluating my beliefs, but right now he looks townie to me.

On the other hand, I still feel like you're more scummy. Your attitude seems to be to challenge people rather than to work with them, and your overconfidence makes me worry that you know too much.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #881 on: September 23, 2016, 05:37:37 pm »

And what do you mean by "the right stuff"?

And if you don't see the "argument" on J Reggie, why is the nonargument on me okay?

"The right stuff" as town means looking for scums, trying to lynch them, and generally posting opinions on stuff. J Reggie seems to be doing that, and he's not really pinging any warnings for me. I mean, I'm inexperienced and probably quite misleadable still, and I'll certainly keep re-evaluating my beliefs, but right now he looks townie to me.

On the other hand, I still feel like you're more scummy. Your attitude seems to be to challenge people rather than to work with them, and your overconfidence makes me worry that you know too much.

Work with does not make sense.  Challenging is what you want to do.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #882 on: September 23, 2016, 06:30:28 pm »

This is a compilation of every post RR has made so far:

D1:
What's a c?

What's a c?

It's a letter. He wrote shadd
Vote: shadd

Guys LaLight is a cool guy. And he seems easy to read honestly. Like a less crazy Seprix. So let's not lynch him!

also, i should clarify, when i said "everyone is giving me ok vibes" i meant "i don't know what i'm supposed to interpret as scum or townie and also nobody tell me"
Yeah that's not how it works. We all go to random.org and put everyone's name is. The first four names are scum reads. Then, you find evidence to back those scum reads and share them with the class

No claiming D1! Oh muh god J Reggie you are not helping yourself!

No claiming D1! Oh muh god J Reggie you are not helping yourself!

No, but we could claim our favorite ice cream or something.
If personal media was allowed, I'd probably give you a 6 or 7 minute recording of me sighing.

What's your favorite ice cream J Reggie?

I just caught up and everything went in one ear and out the other.

The fact that I have less time means I'm going to form my own opinions and probably stop voting sheeping.

Ugh. I can't believe WW is towny in my book because of that.

I'll answer that when my sister decides that the Thundermans actually is a stupid show and gets off the computer.
Get her to join Forum Mafia!

That wagon picked up awfully quickly!

That wagon picked up awfully quickly!

Care to join?

The wagon has both silver and me on it; you basically can't go wrong.
I'd rather talk to mail-mi first. Recently he has seemed scummy to me, but I realized that's because he's a good scum player but our first game together was a scum game for him, so now mail-mi always is scummy

LaLight why would you claim PR?!?!?!?

Also, why is RR so quiet?
What do you want me to say?

This game seems like typical D1 shenanigans, except more so than usual. I've managed to distance myself from that (I think) but that comes at the cost of contributing little to no content.

When it comes to reads, I will do some sort of reads list but at this point I have null reads and towny reads. I don't read scum on anyone

When everyone looks like town, probably Faust is scum.

This is actually an interesting point.  If you're having trouble getting scumreads, there's a good chance scum is among the more experienced players.
Huh...that is interesting

I haven't really thought about this game enough to make effective reads. I've read everything, but I really haven't absorbed the information, you know? So I'm just waiting for D2

I thought Faust was a good scum player though. Would he be this fluffy as scum? The only argument I can really think of is that he probably wouldn't be this fluffy as town, so that's something.

Huh. Actually I think I like the wagon. If there still is a wagon. Faust might be a PR though.

Anyway,
I misclicked twice trying to bold that so it might not count but whatever

Vote: Faust

I'm getting more towny on J Reggie. Actually let's unvote

I'm getting more towny on J Reggie. Actually let's unvote

You always do this : (
Do what?

I'm getting more towny on J Reggie. Actually let's unvote

You always do this : (
Do what?

Unvote close to the deadline when you notice that your vote actually matters.
Hold on, buster! This time I didn't realize that my vote mattered or that we're close to the deadline!

Ha we lost that game though

I wouldn't at all be surprised if our three wagons are T/T/T

if you want to start a CfD on RR, I'd be in.

I don't know what is CfD. Wagon?
It's basically quicklynching someone who can't defend thenselves

D2:
There's only 1 kill, unless there's a serial killer.
Scum may choose someone to kill, and SK (if they exist) can do as well.
i am glad that you answered but you should've waited so that someone else could say "no, we can only kill one person a night"
It's not that easy. I wish it was

Okay, this isn't happening but I wanted to ask because I noticed myself doing it with mail-mi in Olympics Mafia.

Is it unethical to use information from other, non-mafia threads? Like if Adrian and tristan suddenly started agreeing in RSP and they were both in this game could someone present that as evidence for a case?

/tentative pledge

Forum downtime is trash

I meant to do this earlier but WW has been too out of sights. He's done this talking wise and voting wise

Vire

Vote: WW

I meant to do this earlier but WW has been too out of sights. He's done this talking wise and voting wise

Vire

Vote: WW
you're one to talk.


This would be a dumb lynch.
why is that? (how does that feel?)
Yeah, I know. But it's scummy coming from WW

Lalight is coming off scummy here.

so many translations of "come off" into my language. Can you please tell me what do you mean, I don't understand =(
Because of this conversation, it looks like you are more likely to be scum

Discuss.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #883 on: September 23, 2016, 06:37:58 pm »

Joseph re-read, since I forgot him last night!

Early on seems just the usual game-opening stuff.

Claims SK at #156, but I know he claims that sort of thing every game as his meta so that's null.

Yay the forum is back.
Vote: fds for trying to hold up this game and inhibit discussion. Obvious scum tell.
I liked this, and felt like it was townie, but I guess by rights it should be a null.

Okay, so a lot happened today (typical).
Mail-mi seems kind of towny to me, but I'm not convinced LaLight is scum either.
New players do silly things (experienced players do too), but at least they didn't actually hammer the wagon.
He had town on Mail-mi at this point, so that's townie I guess.

His 4-person lynch pool at #425 contains both Silver and faust. And contains a longer defence of Mail-mi (who was still alive and kicking at that point) than any other text on anyone. I guess scum!Joseph could have thought that the wagon would go, and wanted town points for it. It seems relatively unlikely, though.

Oh, but then he finally joined the Mail-mi wagon at #596 after all.

#657: first re-post of his D1 reads, and admission that they didn't look great.

#658: Some misguided setup analysis.

Around the 70* posts, he seems interestingly helpful to Schadd while I'm busy casting suspicion for the scumslip/townslip thing. The two of them seem to be cooperating in a way that lots of other people aren't. Maybe it's nothing, but I did manage to pick up on the scum pairing in BSG from a similar sort of interaction, so I'm noting it here.

#733: second re-post of his D1 reads. Still admits they look bad.

#782: Another comment in defence of schadd, asserting a townslip.


Yeah, okay, I could vote for Joseph if it came down to it, especially if faust were to assert that he's a good target. If he flips scum, I'd also want to look more closely at schadd.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #884 on: September 23, 2016, 06:45:32 pm »

Yeah, okay, I could vote for Joseph if it came down to it, especially if faust were to assert that he's a good target. If he flips scum, I'd also want to look more closely at schadd.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #885 on: September 23, 2016, 06:47:14 pm »

RR is high on my scum list for people that were off wagon. Lots of nothing even for RR
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #886 on: September 23, 2016, 06:51:19 pm »

Yeah, okay, I could vote for Joseph if it came down to it, especially if faust were to assert that he's a good target. If he flips scum, I'd also want to look more closely at schadd.
I have faith that you can figure out a good target for your vote all by yourself.

I totally did, but then WW didn't like it :-(
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #887 on: September 23, 2016, 06:55:18 pm »

RR is high on my scum list for people that were off wagon. Lots of nothing even for RR
Do you think J Reggie is scum?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #888 on: September 23, 2016, 06:56:18 pm »

I'm going to be vla for the whole weekend, kind of. I'll have my phone, but not a computer this time, and there will be people and cookies, so I think there will be rather more socialising than typing going on...
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #889 on: September 23, 2016, 07:09:29 pm »

RR is high on my scum list for people that were off wagon. Lots of nothing even for RR
Do you think J Reggie is scum?

I think it is less likely than SA and Joseph. Partially because of how the wagons went D1. It seemed like two town wagons.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #890 on: September 23, 2016, 07:14:38 pm »

RR is high on my scum list for people that were off wagon. Lots of nothing even for RR
Do you think J Reggie is scum?

I think it is less likely than SA and Joseph. Partially because of how the wagons went D1. It seemed like two town wagons.
But if you think it was two town wagons, then why do you seem to give town points for being off wagon?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #891 on: September 23, 2016, 07:20:28 pm »

RR is high on my scum list for people that were off wagon. Lots of nothing even for RR
Do you think J Reggie is scum?

I think it is less likely than SA and Joseph. Partially because of how the wagons went D1. It seemed like two town wagons.
But if you think it was two town wagons, then why do you seem to give town points for being off wagon?

That is a good point. I had overlooked that
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #892 on: September 23, 2016, 07:35:27 pm »

If he flips scum, I'd also want to look more closely at schadd.

i got nothin to hide babeeee


This is a compilation of every post RR has made so far:
there is really not a lot there. a good bit of it is language/rules clarification and also some stuff that's fluff, but fluff about the game, such that it gives the impression that he's trying not to seem distracting.


this post is very spooky to me:
I thought Faust was a good scum player though. Would he be this fluffy as scum? The only argument I can really think of is that he probably wouldn't be this fluffy as town, so that's something.

Huh. Actually I think I like the wagon. If there still is a wagon. Faust might be a PR though.

Anyway,
I misclicked twice trying to bold that so it might not count but whatever
he was correct about faust having a pr, and i'm wondering why that is—i theorized earlier that the scums figured he and silverspawn were masons, and that to the rest of us they just seemed scummy. so how was rr able to differentiate that?


the thing that i've learned over the course of the game is that putting someone next to lynch doesn't actually really do that much. so i kinda just wanna lynch roadrunner, or at least prompt him to comment on the game state.


vote: RR again
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #893 on: September 23, 2016, 09:35:15 pm »

I have insane powers of deduction, bro. I called it with Faust. I'm pretty cool
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #894 on: September 23, 2016, 09:51:56 pm »

Lalight is coming off scummy here.
Why?

I'll say on Monday once I isn't traveling
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #895 on: September 24, 2016, 03:34:49 pm »

Vote: Roadrunner
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #896 on: September 24, 2016, 03:35:51 pm »

Is this Schadd's first ever forum Mafia game, anywhere?
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« Reply #897 on: September 24, 2016, 03:48:05 pm »

I think Joseph would be better, but it seems like that isn't going to happen.vote: RR
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« Reply #898 on: September 24, 2016, 04:03:56 pm »

I love it when I just get voted for 3 times in a row by people who don't justify their vote at all
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #899 on: September 24, 2016, 05:09:33 pm »

Is this Schadd's first ever forum Mafia game, anywhere?
anywhere

I love it when I just get voted for 3 times in a row by people who don't justify their vote at all
oops, you must have missed the part where i justified my vote at all
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #900 on: September 24, 2016, 05:40:35 pm »

Vote Count 2.5:

Joseph2302 (2): LaLight, iguanaiguana
Witherweaver (3): SpaceAnemone, Joseph2302, Roadrunner7671
SpaceAnemone (1): J Reggie
Roadrunner7671 (3): schadd, Witherweaver, gkrieg13

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With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

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« Reply #901 on: September 24, 2016, 06:06:12 pm »

Looks like WW and RR are where it's at right now. I'll reread both when I have the time. All these new dominion cards are making it so that I come to f.ds for things other than mafia.

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« Reply #902 on: September 25, 2016, 05:33:11 pm »

Looks like WW and RR are where it's at right now. I'll reread both when I have the time. All these new dominion cards are making it so that I come to f.ds for things other than mafia.

Wow, this game has only had about ~12 posts since I went away 48 hours ago! Am I going to have to pay attention to Dominion now too?

I guess I can do individual re-reads on the other on-wagon people, since I did one on Joseph. I've realised that out of the 12 people we started with, 2 are conf!town and dead, one is IC and one is me, so of the 8 of you remaining, there are 3 scums.. which is both scary and encouraging, because it means there's a lot of scums, but we should have less of a hard time getting a good lynch now. I know I'm not saying anything at all surprising, but I get flustered when people get suspicious of me, so my weekend away was good :-)
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #903 on: September 25, 2016, 05:44:25 pm »

Yeah, it's very quiet. But that's what happens when there are so many scum.

8 and 3.
We mislynch, 7 and 3,

Day 3 will be 3 vs. 6

So this is right before lylo
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #904 on: September 25, 2016, 06:25:53 pm »

Tomorrow,  scum, I will find yout and out you.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #905 on: September 25, 2016, 07:07:36 pm »

Re-read on J Reggie. I'm pulling out assorted bits that seem relevant to forming an opinion of him. Please point out anything I should have noted but didn't!

A bunch of stuff about being a "towny townie".. not really sure what to make of it.
So this is my chance to be a towny townie for once. I'll try not to do anything dumb, guys.
And WW is voting me for trying to be towny as town for once, which is too bad. I'd think it'd be pro town to act like your alignment.

Early on seems to be actually posting to get talking going in the game, which seems quite townie. (#123-#131-ish).

Weird exchange with faust about a Joseph wagon ~#160. Didn't quite get why that needed an argument there. Other people didn't seem to like it, though, since he picks up votes from Silver and WW.

#186: admits to maybe being off-topic, but not scummy. I think this comes under the umbrella of allowable fluff to keep game posts happening. There's a bit more around #194 because other people persist in asking things about hamsters and stuff.

#277: still trying to make the game pick up before the D1 deadline, which I think is townie.

When everyone looks like town, probably Faust is scum.

This is actually an interesting point.  If you're having trouble getting scumreads, there's a good chance scum is among the more experienced players.
Hmm.. this could be a deflection, if he's scum and knows that the other scums are at the less experienced end of the spectrum. After all, it's pretty hard for anyone to know anything for sure in D1. But I don't actually have enough different D1 experiences to know for sure what to expect the distribution to look like.

#447: points out how to search for his posts since he doesn't have unique profile text. That's at least helpful, if not definitely townie.

Maybe I should just do something dumb; when I don't people think I'm not contributing enough.
I could take this at face value, really. I guess it could look scummy to people who're feeling less charitable?

#501 is JR's rebuttal of Iguana's case against him. I think it reads quite convincingly as a town player, though shortly afterwards his claim about having started the Mail-mi wagon is debunked. Given that was a mislynch anyway, I don't think he'd be clamouring for credit so much now anyway.

#535: concedes Iguana's point about similarities between his behaviour here and in Duel mafia (where he was scum). I feel like acknowledging it is good.

#574: big case on Mail-mi.

#582-#587: Scramble not to get killed; offers read-list that seems low-entropy given the rest of his interactions, so that's good.

Some rules-clarification stuff that seems entirely reasonable.

#721: refuses the faust-sheeping pledge. I kinda like this, since I wasn't sure I wanted to sign my brain away 100% either.

#809/#813: Votes for me for being "null and non-present". We must be able to do better than that for scum possibilities!

I don't like him being pretty silent D2 compared to D1 also.

I'm aware of that. I've been pretty busy, but I'll try to get back into this game.
Yeah, his posting rate here has dropped right down, but being busy in itself isn't a reason for us to be suspicious of people.

So overall I still feel like there must be better scum options to find out there.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #906 on: September 25, 2016, 07:19:46 pm »

Yeah, it's very quiet. But that's what happens when there are so many scum.

8 and 3.
We mislynch, 7 and 3,

Day 3 will be 3 vs. 6

So this is right before lylo

We have 10 people left from a 12-person game, so it's currently 7 v 3, and the worst case for tomorrow is 5 v 3.
Though:
a) Let's not mislynch!
b) We could have one or more vigs to help out with killing scums.
c) We could have one or more doctors to avoid definite night deaths.
d) We could have cops to help us out with night-time info, making LYLO less of a panic.

So even though the numbers are worse than you said, I don't think it's quite as hopeless as you might've been implying.

I've just noticed that the setup would allow for two full vigs and a one-shot vig. So actually, the very worst case we could have for D3 would be if they're all in the game and they all kill different townspeople, at which point we'd have just two town left and three scums. But that's a bit of a corner case :-P
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #907 on: September 26, 2016, 01:36:44 am »

Yeah, it's very quiet. But that's what happens when there are so many scum.

8 and 3.
We mislynch, 7 and 3,

Day 3 will be 3 vs. 6

So this is right before lylo

We have 10 people left from a 12-person game, so it's currently 7 v 3, and the worst case for tomorrow is 5 v 3.
Though:
a) Let's not mislynch!
b) We could have one or more vigs to help out with killing scums.
c) We could have one or more doctors to avoid definite night deaths.
d) We could have cops to help us out with night-time info, making LYLO less of a panic.

So even though the numbers are worse than you said, I don't think it's quite as hopeless as you might've been implying.

I've just noticed that the setup would allow for two full vigs and a one-shot vig. So actually, the very worst case we could have for D3 would be if they're all in the game and they all kill different townspeople, at which point we'd have just two town left and three scums. But that's a bit of a corner case :-P

If I got the setup correctly, we can't have even this corner case, cause we have Masons. So, it's not that bad!

I don't see Joseph here again. I can't find his last post at all. I don't necessarily think this is scumness, with the game being slow, but I had my suspicions before and now this.

I'm okay with WW or Joseph lynch with a slight preference on Joseph.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #908 on: September 26, 2016, 02:01:02 am »

Yeah, it's very quiet. But that's what happens when there are so many scum.

8 and 3.
We mislynch, 7 and 3,

Day 3 will be 3 vs. 6

So this is right before lylo

Why do you talk like we will mislynch today?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #909 on: September 26, 2016, 02:11:17 am »

Could everyone state their top 3 townreads (other than me)?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #910 on: September 26, 2016, 02:12:41 am »

Could everyone state their top 3 townreads (other than me)?

Probably schadd, LaLight, and iguana
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #911 on: September 26, 2016, 02:40:27 am »

Gkrieg and Iguana for sure. I think, third is RR
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #912 on: September 26, 2016, 02:40:42 am »

Could everyone state their top 3 townreads (other than me)?
gkreig, space ace, uh. lalight, maybe? he seemed too confident at some point about ss and mail-mi being town (the latter of which he totally doubled back on once it seemed to be rolling). j-reggie? in a sort of -1-rolls-back-to-255 sort of way
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #913 on: September 26, 2016, 02:43:22 am »

oh also i would still very very much like to put rr under some duress
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #914 on: September 26, 2016, 03:59:59 am »

Will do this later.

Also, I like my vote where it is
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #915 on: September 26, 2016, 05:43:34 am »

1. Witherweaver - scummy
2. LaLight - null
4. gkrieg13 - a little scummy
5. faust - IC
6. Roadrunner7671 - null
7. Joseph2302 - 100% town
8. SpaceAnemone - null to mildly towny
9. J Reggie - doesn't seem like scum!JReggie to me, so town
10. schadd - null to mildly towny
11. iguanaiguana - town

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #916 on: September 26, 2016, 10:27:29 am »

wtf I'm being townread?

I haven't even been playing.

Note to self: Next time you roll scum, lurk.

Anyway I'm back and I'll be taking a couple of days to reread this game, find the scum, and place my murdervote on them.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #917 on: September 26, 2016, 10:50:55 am »

I'm done playing this game. I'll sheep silver until LyLo including on myself. Otherwise just checking in once a day to post.

Someone was in a poor mood!

I retract everything  8)
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #918 on: September 26, 2016, 10:56:30 am »

Oh jeez I just realized I don't have any strong townreads besides the ICs.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #919 on: September 26, 2016, 10:57:21 am »

Well ii is probably town. I think he looks different as fed up scum.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #920 on: September 26, 2016, 11:39:44 am »

Well ii is probably town. I think he looks different as fed up scum.

Why would he be fed up as scum?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #921 on: September 26, 2016, 11:40:26 am »

No townreads are strong.. I think Gkrieg is town now, probably Schaad.. maybe Iguana for the third. 
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #922 on: September 26, 2016, 11:42:09 am »

I plan on giving my reads at some point tomorrow, around noon forum time. I would ask that nobody gets lynched before this happens.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #923 on: September 26, 2016, 12:41:47 pm »

I plan on giving my reads at some point tomorrow, around noon forum time. I would ask that nobody gets lynched before this happens.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #924 on: September 26, 2016, 03:16:56 pm »

The scum!LaLight theoroy + a few other comments

So, the weekend is over, and it's time for ou guys to put in some work, make cases, and such things. I have thoughts, but I will not reveal them. Instead, I want everyone to take the following pledge:

"If there is no lynch 12 hours before deadline, I will vote for whoever faust decides we should lynch."

/pledge I think. You're experienced and IC.


I think scum!LaLight appeases Faust here because he thinks that's how not to get lynched. Town!LaLight may be more hesitant, wanting to think for himself. So scummy on being the first to agree to this (Ofcourse I a priori agreed to the plan, but I now retract everything out of stubbornness so...)

My big problem with the pledge is that everyone should have better reads than faust because they have more information than faust.  Every person knows the alignment of 2 people (themselves and faust), so their reads have a higher probability of being correct than faust's. 

Also I'm weary of the people that agree to just blindly follow faust.  That is just way too easy of a cop out if they are on a mislynch.

Well, I don't follow him blindly. I trust his opinion, cause he's really more experienced and also an IC. + I know the alignment of me and him. I don't have strong case on anyone now, only mild scumread. I'll see and listen to faust.

The elaboration I think proves the scummy reason I had supposed.

inb4 "gkrieg why haven't you reread and given reads"

I'll do it later today.  I have class in a few minutes

Gkrieg's arguments here are towny. I played 1 scum game with Gkrieg and found him to be very different from here. Much more careful, even a little mechanical, in how he crafted things. This seems a lot more like him as town.

igu (seems like a clumsy persona for a committed scum, but why would he refuse to be replaced? are we seeing drunk!scum!igu or something)
i should clarify, i was referring specifically to the "i don't care anymore, lynch me" business

It is never enjoyable to drink at night and wake up to find Faust claiming masons. This is not alignment indicative behavior for me.  ::)

Ok, has someone presented a case for Joseph or is he just scummy as usual? Because I'd be willing to listen to an actual case on him, but this looks like just the same as yesterday. Just because Faust is IC doesn't mean he's always right.

I mean he has grown scummier today.  He seems a lot more calculated like he was the last time he was scum and we almost mislynched Seprix over him.

Still agree. Hard to get a wagon going on him too, that's a major factor.

Anyone feel

Vote: Iguana ?

Iguana is kinda angry-on-something town. I don't know why and what happened still, but he's probably town.
Why do you say that?

It's easy to say things that are true without giving reasons when you know everyone's alignment. More scum on LaLight.

I have no idea where the notion that Joseph was townie on D1 comes from. Can anyone who thinks that lay out in a bit more detail why they think that?

In light of the flips particularly, Joseph objectively looks scummiest D1. The only townie thing about him is that he acknowledge how bad he looks rather than trying to explain it away. But that is WIFOM dependent, so doesn't sway my opinion much.

Gkrieg and Iguana read very similar in tone on Day 1.

Great minds think alike. Maybe we are masons  :P



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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #925 on: September 26, 2016, 03:18:23 pm »

My top towns would be Schadd > Gkrieg > SpaceA

Scums seem to be LaLight, Joseph, WW.

I think there's a decent chance both LaLight and Joseph are scum, and would be super-surprised if both were town. I don't think I like voting for anyone other than those two. But I will keep reading and see what else I find tomorrow.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #926 on: September 26, 2016, 03:25:34 pm »

The scum!LaLight theoroy + a few other comments

So, the weekend is over, and it's time for ou guys to put in some work, make cases, and such things. I have thoughts, but I will not reveal them. Instead, I want everyone to take the following pledge:

"If there is no lynch 12 hours before deadline, I will vote for whoever faust decides we should lynch."

/pledge I think. You're experienced and IC.


I think scum!LaLight appeases Faust here because he thinks that's how not to get lynched. Town!LaLight may be more hesitant, wanting to think for himself. So scummy on being the first to agree to this (Ofcourse I a priori agreed to the plan, but I now retract everything out of stubbornness so...)

My big problem with the pledge is that everyone should have better reads than faust because they have more information than faust.  Every person knows the alignment of 2 people (themselves and faust), so their reads have a higher probability of being correct than faust's. 

Also I'm weary of the people that agree to just blindly follow faust.  That is just way too easy of a cop out if they are on a mislynch.

Well, I don't follow him blindly. I trust his opinion, cause he's really more experienced and also an IC. + I know the alignment of me and him. I don't have strong case on anyone now, only mild scumread. I'll see and listen to faust.

The elaboration I think proves the scummy reason I had supposed.

inb4 "gkrieg why haven't you reread and given reads"

I'll do it later today.  I have class in a few minutes

Gkrieg's arguments here are towny. I played 1 scum game with Gkrieg and found him to be very different from here. Much more careful, even a little mechanical, in how he crafted things. This seems a lot more like him as town.

igu (seems like a clumsy persona for a committed scum, but why would he refuse to be replaced? are we seeing drunk!scum!igu or something)
i should clarify, i was referring specifically to the "i don't care anymore, lynch me" business

It is never enjoyable to drink at night and wake up to find Faust claiming masons. This is not alignment indicative behavior for me.  ::)

Ok, has someone presented a case for Joseph or is he just scummy as usual? Because I'd be willing to listen to an actual case on him, but this looks like just the same as yesterday. Just because Faust is IC doesn't mean he's always right.

I mean he has grown scummier today.  He seems a lot more calculated like he was the last time he was scum and we almost mislynched Seprix over him.

Still agree. Hard to get a wagon going on him too, that's a major factor.

Anyone feel

Vote: Iguana ?

Iguana is kinda angry-on-something town. I don't know why and what happened still, but he's probably town.
Why do you say that?

It's easy to say things that are true without giving reasons when you know everyone's alignment. More scum on LaLight.

I have no idea where the notion that Joseph was townie on D1 comes from. Can anyone who thinks that lay out in a bit more detail why they think that?

In light of the flips particularly, Joseph objectively looks scummiest D1. The only townie thing about him is that he acknowledge how bad he looks rather than trying to explain it away. But that is WIFOM dependent, so doesn't sway my opinion much.

Gkrieg and Iguana read very similar in tone on Day 1.

Great minds think alike. Maybe we are masons  :P



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How can i know everyone's alignment?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #927 on: September 26, 2016, 03:39:36 pm »

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I think scum!LaLight appeases Faust here because he thinks that's how not to get lynched. Town!LaLight may be more hesitant, wanting to think for himself. So scummy on being the first to agree to this (Ofcourse I a priori agreed to the plan, but I now retract everything out of stubbornness so...)

My big problem with the pledge is that everyone should have better reads than faust because they have more information than faust.  Every person knows the alignment of 2 people (themselves and faust), so their reads have a higher probability of being correct than faust's. 

Also I'm weary of the people that agree to just blindly follow faust.  That is just way too easy of a cop out if they are on a mislynch.

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The elaboration I think proves the scummy reason I had supposed.

Thing is: I pledged because faust is a person whom I can trust. Of course I can think myself, of course I will think myself, but I really just am afraid to make a mistake. I misread people all the way, I don't yet see patterns from people that lead to scumminess. Faust is really trustworthy in this case. Same as you, GKrieg or other big vets. Difference is: faust is an IC. This points him higher in my eyes. And I will say (as I did already) my thoughts and believe faust who looks on the board not to defend himself and prove he's townie, but to find real scum. Those were my thoughts there, I just didn't think I should say that, for me it's pretty obvious.

Anyone feel

Vote: Iguana ?

Iguana is kinda angry-on-something town. I don't know why and what happened still, but he's probably town.

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It's easy to say things that are true without giving reasons when you know everyone's alignment. More scum on LaLight.

Well, I see what you meant. Sorry, I didn't think at first. Thing is: what you've said there really disappointed me. We came here to play and enjoy, and you were angry and sad(?). That was bad for me as a liker of mafia games. So I made up in mind that you're town because I think it's so very strange turn for scum just to be set aside from the game and say this is all nonsense and you feel good with lynching anybody including yourself. That was the point.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #928 on: September 26, 2016, 05:04:02 pm »

I plan on giving my reads at some point tomorrow, around noon forum time. I would ask that nobody gets lynched before this happens.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #929 on: September 26, 2016, 05:13:03 pm »

How can i know everyone's alignment?
he is insinuating that you are scum. that's also what i was getting at earlier:
lalight, maybe? he seemed too confident at some point about ss and mail-mi being town (the latter of which he totally doubled back on once it seemed to be rolling).
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #930 on: September 26, 2016, 05:15:46 pm »

I plan on giving my reads at some point tomorrow, around noon forum time. I would ask that nobody gets lynched before this happens.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #931 on: September 26, 2016, 06:18:51 pm »

Could everyone state their top 3 townreads (other than me)?

Sorry I hadn't done this yet! I think gkrieg and J Reggie are up there. I'm still leaning very townie on LaLight, but I fear that I may have a bit of a blind spot there because often his thought processes seem to be quite similar to mine. I read him as town with a lot of caution attached. In case that's not good enough for your purposes in this exercise, I also think that Iguana has come back feeling a lot more townie than when he went away.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #932 on: September 26, 2016, 07:38:29 pm »

Could everyone state their top 3 townreads (other than me)?

Sorry I hadn't done this yet! I think gkrieg and J Reggie are up there. I'm still leaning very townie on LaLight, but I fear that I may have a bit of a blind spot there because often his thought processes seem to be quite similar to mine. I read him as town with a lot of caution attached. In case that's not good enough for your purposes in this exercise, I also think that Iguana has come back feeling a lot more townie than when he went away.
I didn't do this either.

I'd say Iguanaiguana is top, then I guess SA and Gkrieg? They're interchangeable though and my town reads on them are mild
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #933 on: September 27, 2016, 10:08:10 am »

Vote Count 2.6:

Joseph2302 (2): LaLight, iguanaiguana
Witherweaver (3): SpaceAnemone, Joseph2302, Roadrunner7671
SpaceAnemone (1): J Reggie
Roadrunner7671 (3): schadd, Witherweaver, gkrieg13

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #934 on: September 27, 2016, 11:13:57 am »

Ugh, I had a big post, and I just lost it in my tabs somewhere : /
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #935 on: September 27, 2016, 11:20:49 am »

Here's what I remember:

Gkrieg has towny rereads. Still my top town.

Gkrieg's reread of WW that he calls "null" reads as scummy to me.

But just after that WW produces some very towny content and the mid-day wagon on him made me feel town on WW overall.

Lalight's intent to hammer on WW and Roadrunner's sheep vote on WW both read as super scummy to me.

Lalight has a lot of posts where he indicates that he trusts other people's opinion's more than his own opinions, or that he is waiting for someone else to say something about another player (like WW) in order to form an opinion of that player. These seem to indicate a scum frame of mind to me because a) town trust themselves over other players for the most part (not knowing who else is town) and b) scum are trying to appease town while staying on a mislynch, so they are always waiting for a plausible but incorrect theory to add their vote onto.

In other words, LaLight is basically not scum hunting at all, seems like he already knows who the scum are.

Roadrunner has one towny post, where he asks if using posts from the RSP forum would constitute cheating. I wonder whether that question occurs to him as scum. However, his other posts are either null or scummy, and I actually happen to remember that he's asked that very same question in the past, so I'm leaning scum on him now I GUESS. (I hate to vote RR.)

so my new scum list might be: Lalight, Joseph, RR where J Reggie and WW slipped into null and my towns are Faust > II > Schadd > Space ...............................and who am I forgetting?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #936 on: September 27, 2016, 11:21:08 am »

Vote: LaLight

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« Reply #937 on: September 27, 2016, 11:22:03 am »

Oh yeah, and somewhere in there WW said that I have a "Gratuitous overuse of punctuation" or something like that, as a scum tell. And I was so charmed that I almost fell in love with the sentence itself.

I'm going to keep rereading now.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #938 on: September 27, 2016, 11:28:03 am »

I love it when I just get voted for 3 times in a row by people who don't justify their vote at all

Actually, Schadd's case on you was totally boss.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #939 on: September 27, 2016, 11:31:17 am »

Could everyone state their top 3 townreads (other than me)?

Probably schadd, LaLight, and iguana

Why town on LaLight?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #940 on: September 27, 2016, 11:31:32 am »

Gkrieg and Iguana for sure. I think, third is RR

Why Roadrunner?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #941 on: September 27, 2016, 11:35:00 am »

Gkrieg and Iguana for sure. I think, third is RR

Why Roadrunner?

He was active for a long time, but then the busy life started and he became silent. But because of something I can't talk about I see his behavior as towny. He's just super-busy right now.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #942 on: September 27, 2016, 11:38:43 am »

OKAY, I am DONE READING FOR THE FIRST TIME.


HUMANS (That's you!), I am on LITERALLY EVERYONE'S town list! (except perhaps Faust). So! If you are a TOWN, help me figure out the scums, so we can lynchify them. Let's do it. Let's go. Boom. C'mon.

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I leave it to the mod to determine who has been inactive enough to be proddable.

(PPE: I guess not LaLight)
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #943 on: September 27, 2016, 11:46:43 am »

OKAY, I am DONE READING FOR THE FIRST TIME.


HUMANS (That's you!), I am on LITERALLY EVERYONE'S town list! (except perhaps Faust). So! If you are a TOWN, help me figure out the scums, so we can lynchify them. Let's do it. Let's go. Boom. C'mon.

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I leave it to the mod to determine who has been inactive enough to be proddable.

(PPE: I guess not LaLight)

Man, I'm literally the only one pushing this game forward. If anyone can count the posts, I'd look on the final count. I think I have more posts that everyone else summed. I'm not lurker here, I'm not scum here, I'm trying to understand who is making the game go slower. I am trying to pull words out of the people saying that I will listen to their opinion on everybody. Please, don't look at me like this. I'm town and I try so hard to find these scums.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #944 on: September 27, 2016, 11:48:06 am »

Vote: LaLight

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #945 on: September 27, 2016, 11:51:58 am »

Could everyone state their top 3 townreads (other than me)?

Probably schadd, LaLight, and iguana

Why town on LaLight?

I don't know.  To me it really just seems like newbtown!LaLight.  If you look at his game where he was the tracker (Olympics), he was very concerned about what people were thinking about him, and other than the tracking case on RR, he didn't really come up with any cases.  He actually said that he had the tracker result and then waited for other people to do something with it.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #946 on: September 27, 2016, 11:52:44 am »

In that last post, I don't know is referencing your case on him, not why I townread him.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #947 on: September 27, 2016, 11:53:39 am »

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm


So we go for Roadrunner?

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #948 on: September 27, 2016, 11:54:05 am »

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm


So we go for Roadrunner?

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« Reply #949 on: September 27, 2016, 11:54:43 am »

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm


So we go for Roadrunner?

Ugh

Why not Joseph?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #950 on: September 27, 2016, 11:55:07 am »

Joseph is okay too.
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« Reply #951 on: September 27, 2016, 11:55:37 am »

It just always scares me when the lynchpool is the two most commonly mislynched players : /
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #952 on: September 27, 2016, 11:58:55 am »

It just always scares me when the lynchpool is the two most commonly mislynched players : /

Agreed.  I'm also always up to lynch Joseph's partner SA first.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #953 on: September 27, 2016, 12:18:10 pm »

It just always scares me when the lynchpool is the two most commonly mislynched players : /

Agreed.  I'm also always up to lynch Joseph's partner SA first.

Weird how high-variance people's reads on me here are. Pretty sure I said I'm okay with a Joseph lynch, and I don't mind putting my vote there if you want. It was J Reggie I just didn't see the case on, and I may have mixed them up at one point because they both start with the same letter.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #954 on: September 27, 2016, 12:18:41 pm »

I just reread Witherweaver. I'm on a phone now so I can't do one of those big compilation posts. D1 seemed scummier than D2. There's a lot of stuff there but none of it particularly points to him being town. I'd be down for a vote: WW.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #955 on: September 27, 2016, 12:23:54 pm »

Here's what I remember:

Gkrieg has towny rereads. Still my top town.

Gkrieg's reread of WW that he calls "null" reads as scummy to me.

But just after that WW produces some very towny content and the mid-day wagon on him made me feel town on WW overall.

Lalight's intent to hammer on WW and Roadrunner's sheep vote on WW both read as super scummy to me.

Lalight has a lot of posts where he indicates that he trusts other people's opinion's more than his own opinions, or that he is waiting for someone else to say something about another player (like WW) in order to form an opinion of that player. These seem to indicate a scum frame of mind to me because a) town trust themselves over other players for the most part (not knowing who else is town) and b) scum are trying to appease town while staying on a mislynch, so they are always waiting for a plausible but incorrect theory to add their vote onto.

In other words, LaLight is basically not scum hunting at all, seems like he already knows who the scum are.

Roadrunner has one towny post, where he asks if using posts from the RSP forum would constitute cheating. I wonder whether that question occurs to him as scum. However, his other posts are either null or scummy, and I actually happen to remember that he's asked that very same question in the past, so I'm leaning scum on him now I GUESS. (I hate to vote RR.)

so my new scum list might be: Lalight, Joseph, RR where J Reggie and WW slipped into null and my towns are Faust > II > Schadd > Space ...............................and who am I forgetting?

I mean if you want to look for someone who isn't scum hunting, look no further than RR.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #956 on: September 27, 2016, 12:24:26 pm »

That's his new meta tho.
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« Reply #957 on: September 27, 2016, 12:25:12 pm »

Alright then.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #958 on: September 27, 2016, 12:38:40 pm »

So here comes a reads list. Unfortunately, it is not as well-informed as I would like, but this week has been awfully busy.

Witherweaver - I thought he was quite scummy on D1. I wanted to test waters and voted for him. I really didn't like that wagon, and he had some townie posts in between.
LaLight - one of my highest townreads. I think he stated intent to hammer twice? That's awfully bold for newbie!scum. And all his posts read townie to me.
gkrieg13 - he is very much in his town persona I think. But he's more capable of faking that than LaLight probably. Still, townread.
Roadrunner7671 - there is nothing and still noone bothered to vote for him until I pointed out that he did not do anything. That dynamic also leads me to believe that he is scum.
Joseph2302 - I don't think he's particularly scummy. Some people seem to think that; could they explain their reasoning?
SpaceAnemone - gives off scummy vibes to me. Also has not a lot of substance.
J Reggie - I think from the way wagons went on D1, it's more likely that they were all on town.
schadd - the guy just seems townie.
iguanaiguana - I don't articularly think that he is scum, but neither do I get the strong townreads given out to him.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #959 on: September 27, 2016, 12:46:11 pm »

I would do LaLight, too.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #960 on: September 27, 2016, 12:57:21 pm »

Roadrunner7671 - there is nothing and still noone bothered to vote for him until I pointed out that he did not do anything. That dynamic also leads me to believe that he is scum.

Thing is, he's been absent across the board. At least, I don't read much outside the Mafia games threads on here, but I haven't observed him being more than minimally active elsewhere. He probably looks like an easy mislynch wagon for scum, and I'm betting there's at least one of them on there already.

That said, if your alternative is going to be getting your pledged sheep to pile on me as the person you seem to be scum-reading most, then I'm definitely willing to take RR to L-1, since a chance of hitting scum is better than definitely losing town.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #961 on: September 27, 2016, 01:04:54 pm »

Vote Count 2.7:

Joseph2302 (1): LaLight
Witherweaver (4): SpaceAnemone, Joseph2302, Roadrunner7671, J Reggie
Roadrunner7671 (4): schadd, Witherweaver, gkrieg13, iguana

Not Voting (1): faust

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Day 2 ends on September 28 at 4:00 a.m. forum time.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #962 on: September 27, 2016, 01:10:10 pm »

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #963 on: September 27, 2016, 01:15:01 pm »

Vote Count 2.7:

Joseph2302 (1): LaLight
Witherweaver (4): SpaceAnemone, Joseph2302, Roadrunner7671, J Reggie
Roadrunner7671 (4): schadd, Witherweaver, gkrieg13, iguana

Not Voting (1): faust

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Day 2 ends on September 28 at 4:00 a.m. forum time.

When choosing between a wagon that has Schadd, WW, me and Gkrieg or Space, RR, Joseph and J Reggie it's pretty obvious that I'm on the right wagon.

The signs are there. RR is scum I guess.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #964 on: September 27, 2016, 01:23:01 pm »

RR, it is time to claim. Do so in the next post you make.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #965 on: September 27, 2016, 01:24:39 pm »

actually, I agree. Vote: Roadrunner. L-1
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #966 on: September 27, 2016, 01:45:53 pm »

I am a 1 shot cop. I haven't used my cop
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #967 on: September 27, 2016, 01:48:36 pm »

Vote: RR
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #968 on: September 27, 2016, 01:49:43 pm »

Because noone in their right mind does not use a cop shot on N1.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #969 on: September 27, 2016, 01:50:32 pm »

Pretty sure that was a scum claim. So, well done, town, even if you all were a bit quiet.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #970 on: September 27, 2016, 01:51:42 pm »

Any modification to your last reads list?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #971 on: September 27, 2016, 01:53:22 pm »

Pretty sure that was a scum claim. So, well done, town, even if you all were a bit quiet.

I don't get what that first part means.  Are you saying that only scum would claim that?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #972 on: September 27, 2016, 01:53:32 pm »

Any modification to your last reads list?

Well uh nothing much happened in between. If RR indeed flips scum, then that mostly reinforces my reads. Probably you will be townier for it.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #973 on: September 27, 2016, 01:53:45 pm »

Pretty sure that was a scum claim. So, well done, town, even if you all were a bit quiet.

I don't get what that first part means.  Are you saying that only scum would claim that?
Yes.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #974 on: September 27, 2016, 01:54:30 pm »

Any modification to your last reads list?

Well uh nothing much happened in between. If RR indeed flips scum, then that mostly reinforces my reads. Probably you will be townier for it.

And what do you think if he flips town?  Say, who are top scummy two or three.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #975 on: September 27, 2016, 01:57:42 pm »

You guys are all acting like Faust is gunna die tonight, but I'm so universally townread that it might be me  8)

(I'm joking, still think all the townreads were random and weird).

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #976 on: September 27, 2016, 01:58:57 pm »

Day 2 Final Vote Count:

Witherweaver (4): SpaceAnemone, Joseph2302, Roadrunner7671, J Reggie
Roadrunner7671 (6): schadd, Witherweaver, gkrieg13, iguana, LaLight, faust

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #977 on: September 27, 2016, 02:00:08 pm »

Any modification to your last reads list?

Well uh nothing much happened in between. If RR indeed flips scum, then that mostly reinforces my reads. Probably you will be townier for it.

And what do you think if he flips town?  Say, who are top scummy two or three.

Probably iguana, Space-A, you.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #978 on: September 27, 2016, 02:01:00 pm »

Roadrunner7671 has been lynched!  He was a Master Yupa, a 1-Shot Cop (Nausicaa)!

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Night 2.
« Reply #979 on: September 29, 2016, 09:59:20 am »

The giant forest spirit looked relieved.  The group stood around him, waking up from their slumber.  The night was quiet.  There was some sadness from their losses, but now, hope.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #980 on: September 29, 2016, 10:01:19 am »

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #981 on: September 29, 2016, 10:01:35 am »

Vote: Space
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #982 on: September 29, 2016, 10:02:28 am »

If there was a UB, they should have gone into Faust's neighborhood last night, right?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #983 on: September 29, 2016, 10:02:40 am »

Mass claim could possibly be good.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #984 on: September 29, 2016, 10:05:43 am »

There is no way that Faust could have fakeclaimed with this setup, right?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #985 on: September 29, 2016, 10:06:35 am »

Vote Count 3.1:

SpaceAnemone (1): Witherweaver

Not Voting (8): SpaceAnemone, Joseph2302, J Reggie, schadd, gkrieg13, iguanaiguana, LaLight, faust

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #986 on: September 29, 2016, 10:16:32 am »

Mass claim could possibly be good.

Agree with you here. No way that Faust could've fake claimed with silver having flipped. There has to be another mason somewhere that would've counter claimed.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #987 on: September 29, 2016, 10:19:06 am »

There is no way that Faust could have fakeclaimed with this setup, right?

Excuse me I don't follow.

Why should faust fakeclaim? Why did you vote Space? You got to know something this night?
Rhethorical question: Why did RR not use his 1-shot?
I think we have either doctor or Roleblocker here. So we have Masons, 1-shot Cop, Doctor/RB (1-shot maybe?). That's many PRs.
I'm /in for massclaim.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #988 on: September 29, 2016, 10:20:06 am »

We don't massclaim.

Vote: WW
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #989 on: September 29, 2016, 10:21:24 am »

We don't massclaim.

Vote: WW

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #990 on: September 29, 2016, 10:21:38 am »

We don't massclaim.

Vote: WW

Why? I never massclaimed before but I think here it should help us?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #991 on: September 29, 2016, 10:22:26 am »

We don't massclaim.

Vote: WW

Why? I never massclaimed before but I think here it should help us?
Help us how?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #992 on: September 29, 2016, 10:22:31 am »

There is no way that Faust could have fakeclaimed with this setup, right?

Excuse me I don't follow.

Why should faust fakeclaim? Why did you vote Space? You got to know something this night?
Rhethorical question: Why did RR not use his 1-shot?
I think we have either doctor or Roleblocker here. So we have Masons, 1-shot Cop, Doctor/RB (1-shot maybe?). That's many PRs.
I'm /in for massclaim.

Also question to mod: When does UB become a role? For example: did he become mason the very moment SS died (as I thought) or in the next night?

It doesn't matter, since the Mason neighborhoods are not open during the day (I think).  So a UB wouldn't be added to the neighborhood until last night.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #993 on: September 29, 2016, 10:22:48 am »

We don't massclaim.

Vote: WW

Why? I never massclaimed before but I think here it should help us?
Help us how?

By indicating to me how good my vote on Space is.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #994 on: September 29, 2016, 10:22:58 am »

so, we have at least E/C;D/R;M;TTT as i look correctly

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #995 on: September 29, 2016, 10:23:54 am »

A Universal Backup inherits the first Power Role that dies, after that Power Role's death is confirmed by public flip.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #996 on: September 29, 2016, 10:24:38 am »

We don't massclaim.

Vote: WW

Why? I never massclaimed before but I think here it should help us?
Help us how?

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #997 on: September 29, 2016, 10:24:43 am »

Fine.

I am a 1-shot Vig

(Note my first post of the game.)

I shot Space last night.

Either Space is 1-shot BP (not likely but not impossible, as we apparently have at least 4 PRs), or I was Roleblocked.  Scum certainly has a Roleblocker, though I'm not too sure how likely it is that they would target me.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #998 on: September 29, 2016, 10:26:18 am »

So I'm conflicted about a mass claim. If we don't do it, Faust will probably die tonight. If we do, a better PR might be outed. I mean we have a doctor of some sort. I'd say probably still don't claim until L-1.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #999 on: September 29, 2016, 10:26:32 am »

But wait.. mafia should have killed with Strongman if they have it.

So how did Faust not die?  We must have RB or double-protection.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1000 on: September 29, 2016, 10:26:51 am »

Ok well I guess we're claiming.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1001 on: September 29, 2016, 10:27:26 am »

And Mafia should have Strongman as we have at least:

C/E, M, V, D/E
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1002 on: September 29, 2016, 10:27:41 am »

Ok well I guess we're claiming.

I am, other people may not have to.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1003 on: September 29, 2016, 10:27:53 am »

so, we have at least E/C;D/R;M;V;TT as i look correctly

PPE: 3

FTFM if Witherweaver doesn't lie

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1004 on: September 29, 2016, 10:28:34 am »

But wait.. mafia should have killed with Strongman if they have it.

So how did Faust not die?  We must have RB or double-protection.
They might have 1-shot strongman, and decided not to use it.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1005 on: September 29, 2016, 10:29:23 am »

But wait.. mafia should have killed with Strongman if they have it.

So how did Faust not die?  We must have RB or double-protection.
They might have 1-shot strongman, and decided not to use it.

No, we have four PRs, assuming at least one Doctor protected Faust.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1006 on: September 29, 2016, 10:30:55 am »

And with that logic, if we have four we have to have five, as double-protection is the only thing that could keep Faust alive (either Doctor or RB).

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #1007 on: September 29, 2016, 10:36:37 am »

This was my "I have a gun" post:

You're all in trouble now.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1008 on: September 29, 2016, 10:38:22 am »

vote: SA

I'm not a RB
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1009 on: September 29, 2016, 10:39:33 am »

Hmm, ww's pay certainly doesn't clear him. I like vote: Witherweaver

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1010 on: September 29, 2016, 10:40:06 am »

Hmm, ww's pay certainly doesn't clear him. I like vote: Witherweaver

What?  How could that possibly make sense.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1011 on: September 29, 2016, 10:40:29 am »

Pay should be post or claim or something

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1012 on: September 29, 2016, 10:41:03 am »

Hmm, ww's pay certainly doesn't clear him. I like vote: Witherweaver

What?  How could that possibly make sense.

Because I thought you were scum and this looks like a fake claim.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1013 on: September 29, 2016, 10:41:51 am »

From this I take it to mean that you've never seen a fake claim before.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1014 on: September 29, 2016, 10:42:19 am »

Like maybe you know a town RB targeted you and you want to claim vig now so they don't out you as scum.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1015 on: September 29, 2016, 10:42:29 am »

From this I take it to mean that you've never seen a fake claim before.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1016 on: September 29, 2016, 10:43:37 am »

Like maybe you know a town RB targeted you and you want to claim vig now so they don't out you as scum.

How would I know that?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1017 on: September 29, 2016, 10:43:52 am »

Ok if everyone else believes WW I'll unvote. I just hate it when my top scum read claims a PR that can't be verified.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1018 on: September 29, 2016, 10:44:27 am »

Well I was coming into today assuming I would be verified.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1019 on: September 29, 2016, 10:45:12 am »

Like maybe you know a town RB targeted you and you want to claim vig now so they don't out you as scum.

How would I know that?

Good point, there's no rolecop in this setup I guess. My theory is a little too far fetched.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1020 on: September 29, 2016, 10:50:56 am »

well.

scum!WW could make his first post thinking that when his kill will miss he will claim vig (with the opening post) and say his target is bulletproof to mislynch his target. I do think this is possible if he knew there would be bulletproof scum = many PRs (and he knew because he's scum). Is this the possible plan? Knowing WW it can be. Also, can we believe he really targeted SA? I think scum would kill faust. So all of this just doesn't make sense from my perspective. I believe WW here.

So, IMO either SA or WW is scum. There is a possibility that they both are town or scum, but 1/1 is more possible.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1021 on: September 29, 2016, 10:54:37 am »

well.

scum!WW could make his first post thinking that when his kill will miss he will claim vig (with the opening post) and say his target is bulletproof to mislynch his target. I do think this is possible if he knew there would be bulletproof scum = many PRs (and he knew because he's scum). Is this the possible plan? Knowing WW it can be. Also, can we believe he really targeted SA? I think scum would kill faust. So all of this just doesn't make sense from my perspective. I believe WW here.

So, IMO either SA or WW is scum. There is a possibility that they both are town or scum, but 1/1 is more possible.

I reread myself. Well. Why couldn't scum!ww just try to kill faust and then when nothing happened say that he was targeting SA so we could mislynch them?
Answer is maybe that if SA is townie so WW is the first to suspect so I think he wouldn't do it.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1022 on: September 29, 2016, 10:55:23 am »

well.

scum!WW could make his first post thinking that when his kill will miss he will claim vig (with the opening post) and say his target is bulletproof to mislynch his target. I do think this is possible if he knew there would be bulletproof scum = many PRs (and he knew because he's scum). Is this the possible plan? Knowing WW it can be. Also, can we believe he really targeted SA? I think scum would kill faust. So all of this just doesn't make sense from my perspective. I believe WW here.

So, IMO either SA or WW is scum. There is a possibility that they both are town or scum, but 1/1 is more possible.

I reread myself. Well. Why couldn't scum!ww just try to kill faust and then when nothing happened say that he was targeting SA so we could mislynch THEM?
Answer is maybe that if SA is townie so WW is the first to suspect so I think he wouldn't do it.
I'm confused a little.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1023 on: September 29, 2016, 10:57:33 am »

I targeted Space primarily because of Faust's last posts yesterday.

(This is also the reason I prompted Faust to give his reads before end of day.)  RR flipping town means I definitely had to shoot last night, because it would remove me from the lynch pool today.  Also hitting scum was 50/50, not terrible odds.  Shooting town means today would be LyLo, but I'd be verified and we'd have a decent chance.   I'm not certain if I would have shot if RR was scum.. it would depend on reads probably, though it may have been better to save it until tonight.

Faust listed me, Space, Iguana as his primary scum in case RR was town, and Space seemed more likely than Iguana.  I preferred to shoot on his reads, since the chance of Faust having no scum on his scum reads is pretty small.  I also didn't have any really strong read myself to choose someone different.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1024 on: September 29, 2016, 10:59:19 am »

well.

scum!WW could make his first post thinking that when his kill will miss he will claim vig (with the opening post) and say his target is bulletproof to mislynch his target. I do think this is possible if he knew there would be bulletproof scum = many PRs (and he knew because he's scum). Is this the possible plan? Knowing WW it can be. Also, can we believe he really targeted SA? I think scum would kill faust. So all of this just doesn't make sense from my perspective. I believe WW here.

So, IMO either SA or WW is scum. There is a possibility that they both are town or scum, but 1/1 is more possible.

Space doesn't have to be scum, it's just one explanation.  Scum or Town could have blocked me.  Though Town is now less likely since Faust living required double protection.  Scum could have blocked me if they sensed a PR, I guess.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1025 on: September 29, 2016, 11:04:34 am »

I'm not scum! People's reads on me seemed high-variance at the end of D2, so it's not surprising that a vig who's really suspicious of me would target me in the night. There's a chance we're both town.

The me not dying thing is more confusing, and points to the existence of a role-blocker, but I'd guess it's more likely to be a town RB, given that a bunch of us were suspicious of WW and had voted for him.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1026 on: September 29, 2016, 11:06:33 am »

So we have only schadd and iguana who didn't post since the beginning of D3.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1027 on: September 29, 2016, 11:06:42 am »

Note that it's possible that scums only have a 1-shot strongman, e.g. if the roll was M, V, C, D (with possible E instead of the C and D). They could have used that up already, or be saving it for later.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1028 on: September 29, 2016, 11:08:25 am »

Note that it's possible that scums only have a 1-shot strongman, e.g. if the roll was M, V, C, D (with possible E instead of the C and D). They could have used that up already, or be saving it for later.

No, wait.. that doesn't work! If there's a B in there too, then we have at most one T, and therefore they have a strongman.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1029 on: September 29, 2016, 11:08:48 am »

Note that it's possible that scums only have a 1-shot strongman, e.g. if the roll was M, V, C, D (with possible E instead of the C and D). They could have used that up already, or be saving it for later.
No =) If we have 4 letters other than T they definitely have a strongman.


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TTTTTT*** = Goon x2
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T = Strongman; Roleblocker

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1030 on: September 29, 2016, 11:09:48 am »

Note that it's possible that scums only have a 1-shot strongman, e.g. if the roll was M, V, C, D (with possible E instead of the C and D). They could have used that up already, or be saving it for later.

No, wait.. that doesn't work! If there's a B in there too, then we have at most one T, and therefore they have a strongman.

Though it works if the role-blocking came from scum. Apologies for having a conversation with myself here... the fact that everything is happening so quickly has me worried that I'll get quick-lynched before being able to say useful stuff!
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1031 on: September 29, 2016, 11:12:17 am »

We definitely have 4 PRs:

Mason (at least one)
1-Shot Vig (me)
1-Shot Cop (RR)
Doctor/Blocker to prevent kill last night (Faust)

Which means we are TT or less, so scum has full Strongman.  And, therefore, we need one more Doctor/Blocker to block the kill.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1032 on: September 29, 2016, 11:12:55 am »

I mean, unless scum didn't kill last night.  This actually happened in Mistborn (we didn't submit by the deadline).
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1033 on: September 29, 2016, 11:13:25 am »

Note that it's possible that scums only have a 1-shot strongman, e.g. if the roll was M, V, C, D (with possible E instead of the C and D). They could have used that up already, or be saving it for later.
No =) If we have 4 letters other than T they definitely have a strongman.


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TT = Strongman; Roleblocker
T = Strongman; Roleblocker

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1034 on: September 29, 2016, 11:14:04 am »

We definitely have 4 PRs:

Mason (at least one)
1-Shot Vig (me)
1-Shot Cop (RR)
Doctor/Blocker to prevent kill last night (Faust)

Which means we are TT or less, so scum has full Strongman.  And, therefore, we need one more Doctor/Blocker to block the kill.

And this means we have no UB we need MMM to have two masons.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1035 on: September 29, 2016, 11:17:59 am »

I mean, unless scum didn't kill last night.  This actually happened in Mistborn (we didn't submit by the deadline).

I'd assume that if there are three of them, one of the scums would remember to do something at least! Any of them can actually do the NK, can't they? Or if there's a Strongman scum, does that particular person have to give the order?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1036 on: September 29, 2016, 11:18:54 am »

We definitely have 4 PRs:

Mason (at least one)
1-Shot Vig (me)
1-Shot Cop (RR)
Doctor/Blocker to prevent kill last night (Faust)

Which means we are TT or less, so scum has full Strongman.  And, therefore, we need one more Doctor/Blocker to block the kill.

And this means we have no UB we need MMM to have two masons.

No, read the setup.  UB is converted to Mason if there is one M roll.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1037 on: September 29, 2016, 11:19:04 am »

We definitely have 4 PRs:

Mason (at least one)
1-Shot Vig (me)
1-Shot Cop (RR)
Doctor/Blocker to prevent kill last night (Faust)

Which means we are TT or less, so scum has full Strongman.  And, therefore, we need one more Doctor/Blocker to block the kill.

And this means we have no UB we need MMM to have two masons.

The chance of having a UB in the game was tiny already.. like less than 1 in 20. I think I posted the calculation sometime early in the game.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1038 on: September 29, 2016, 11:19:45 am »

We definitely have 4 PRs:

Mason (at least one)
1-Shot Vig (me)
1-Shot Cop (RR)
Doctor/Blocker to prevent kill last night (Faust)

Which means we are TT or less, so scum has full Strongman.  And, therefore, we need one more Doctor/Blocker to block the kill.

And this means we have no UB we need MMM to have two masons.

The chance of having a UB in the game was tiny already.. like less than 1 in 20. I think I posted the calculation sometime early in the game.

There is always a UB... and UB converting to Mason is more likely than there being another M roll, obviously.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1039 on: September 29, 2016, 11:20:03 am »

We definitely have 4 PRs:

Mason (at least one)
1-Shot Vig (me)
1-Shot Cop (RR)
Doctor/Blocker to prevent kill last night (Faust)

Which means we are TT or less, so scum has full Strongman.  And, therefore, we need one more Doctor/Blocker to block the kill.

And this means we have no UB we need MMM to have two masons.

No, read the setup.  UB is converted to Mason if there is one M roll.

I assume he means no UB to inherit RR's role, because the UB spot was already used up being one of faust or Silver..
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1040 on: September 29, 2016, 11:21:01 am »

I mean, unless scum didn't kill last night.  This actually happened in Mistborn (we didn't submit by the deadline).

I'd assume that if there are three of them, one of the scums would remember to do something at least! Any of them can actually do the NK, can't they? Or if there's a Strongman scum, does that particular person have to give the order?

In Mistborn there were five of us (maybe four that night, someone died), and we were mostly busy talking to each other, and then the deadline had passed.

Anyone can submit the order on behalf of another member.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1041 on: September 29, 2016, 11:22:02 am »

We definitely have 4 PRs:

Mason (at least one)
1-Shot Vig (me)
1-Shot Cop (RR)
Doctor/Blocker to prevent kill last night (Faust)

Which means we are TT or less, so scum has full Strongman.  And, therefore, we need one more Doctor/Blocker to block the kill.

And this means we have no UB we need MMM to have two masons.

The chance of having a UB in the game was tiny already.. like less than 1 in 20. I think I posted the calculation sometime early in the game.

There is always a UB... and UB converting to Mason is more likely than there being another M roll, obviously.

Yes, I think we're actually all agreeing here, just using different words.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1042 on: September 29, 2016, 11:34:02 am »

Let's assume that WW is a vig and shot me, and that scum were at least awake enough to target someone. The PR distribution in this scenario says that there will be a scum strongman in the game.

Faust was protected by 2 different doctors, so didn't die.
Or Faust wasn't targeted because the scums forgot.
Or scums were blocked, but it would need to be twice. Or one block and one doctor.

WW was role-blocked, either by town or by scum, because someone doctoring me seems really highly unlikely.
We must have M, V, C/E for cop, DDD or DDE or DEE for doctors, or DDB for a role-blocker, or DBB for doctor and two roleblockers.

People RBing WW seems reasonably likely, given that he was under suspicion from more people than just me.
A doctor and a one-shot doctor doctoring faust last night seems reasonably likely.
A town role-blocker who blocked someone other than WW last night was almost certianly targetting scum.

If any scums RBd WW, they should probably come out and say so, since that's the only thing that might break this reasoning a bit... :-)
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1043 on: September 29, 2016, 12:31:56 pm »

hey, seems good a time as any.


i am sophie, the 1-shot doctor. i saved faust last night
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1044 on: September 29, 2016, 12:34:18 pm »

We're full claiming, right?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1045 on: September 29, 2016, 12:35:28 pm »

We're full claiming, right?
I'm catching up slowly and badly on my phone.

No.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1046 on: September 29, 2016, 12:36:02 pm »

I claimed because it made sense; presumably schadd thought he should as well.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1047 on: September 29, 2016, 12:46:05 pm »

Welp, yall a bunch of crazies and I don't know what I think yet. It smells an awful lot like I'm getting mislynched today and that sucks.
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« Reply #1048 on: September 29, 2016, 12:51:58 pm »

Welp, yall a bunch of crazies and I don't know what I think yet. It smells an awful lot like I'm getting mislynched today and that sucks.

... because no one has said anything about you?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1049 on: September 29, 2016, 12:52:47 pm »

That has to be the single least genuine opening of a day I've ever read, with the exception of maybe Xerxes' "I may be the only town left".
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1050 on: September 29, 2016, 01:02:02 pm »

That's a good one!

But EoD yesterday I was on the top of Faust's shitlist.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1051 on: September 29, 2016, 01:04:29 pm »

I still think SA is the highest on my lynch list today.  WW's results only cement that in my mind, especially considering we may very well have enough letters for scum to be bulletproof.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1052 on: September 29, 2016, 01:08:15 pm »

That's a good one!

But EoD yesterday I was on the top of Faust's shitlist.

I think Space was, actually.  And possibly me given RR was a mislynch.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #1053 on: September 29, 2016, 01:10:53 pm »


Probably iguana, Space-A, you.

I read this as "Iguana is the scummiest"

and was sad

and still primarily just thinking about that when I made my first post.
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« Reply #1054 on: September 29, 2016, 01:17:31 pm »

Well, he also had a more detailed reads list earlier.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1055 on: September 29, 2016, 01:28:05 pm »

If anyone did RB WW, might this be a good point to say, if I'm going to get mislynched?

Annoyingly, even when I flip town, it doesn't even guarantee we have a guaranteed scum in WW, because he could still have been RB'd by scum if he actually is a vig.

More experienced players: is there anything that would have given away to scums that WW is a vig, assuming he is one and has been playing like it? I feel like that's a question that will be asked when I flip, anyway, so we might as well make a head start.

If WW is a vig, he pretty much has to be a one-shot from the setup letters, so killing him or me is sort of equivalent, given that he's now essentially no better than VT, and could be scum, whereas I'm VT or PR or scum as far as most of you are concerned. Not sure that will sway people like gkrieg, who seems to find me scummy no matter what I say, but maybe it's worth throwing out there for the rest of you.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1056 on: September 29, 2016, 01:31:15 pm »

Well I want  to lynch space more.. the old "if I flip town the guy that claimed against me isn't necessarily scum" thing is pretty classic scum..  See Teproc caught by Robz in Monster's U
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1057 on: September 29, 2016, 01:32:48 pm »

More experienced players: is there anything that would have given away to scums that WW is a vig, assuming he is one and has been playing like it? I feel like that's a question that will be asked when I flip, anyway, so we might as well make a head start.

I mean even the breadcrumb that he claims to have left is extremely vague, and I'm still not entirely sure it is even a breadcrumb. So no I don't think scum was some how tipped off to him being a PR or a vig.
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« Reply #1058 on: September 29, 2016, 01:33:22 pm »

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« Reply #1059 on: September 29, 2016, 01:37:56 pm »

More experienced players: is there anything that would have given away to scums that WW is a vig, assuming he is one and has been playing like it? I feel like that's a question that will be asked when I flip, anyway, so we might as well make a head start.

I mean even the breadcrumb that he claims to have left is extremely vague, and I'm still not entirely sure it is even a breadcrumb. So no I don't think scum was some how tipped off to him being a PR or a vig.

WW's behavior today is super consistent with his play in Marvel Heroes Mafia where he was Daredevil, the motion detector. He opened that game by saying something like "I don't afraid of anything!" and then later referenced that post as a breadcrumb when Faust falsely incriminated him for the night kill.

So yeah, I'm pretty convinced that WW is town because he I've never seen him play scum like this but town yes and not in any obvious way like he's trying to copy it.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1060 on: September 29, 2016, 01:38:51 pm »

If anyone did RB WW, might this be a good point to say, if I'm going to get mislynched?

Annoyingly, even when I flip town, it doesn't even guarantee we have a guaranteed scum in WW, because he could still have been RB'd by scum if he actually is a vig.

More experienced players: is there anything that would have given away to scums that WW is a vig, assuming he is one and has been playing like it? I feel like that's a question that will be asked when I flip, anyway, so we might as well make a head start.

If WW is a vig, he pretty much has to be a one-shot from the setup letters, so killing him or me is sort of equivalent, given that he's now essentially no better than VT, and could be scum, whereas I'm VT or PR or scum as far as most of you are concerned. Not sure that will sway people like gkrieg, who seems to find me scummy no matter what I say, but maybe it's worth throwing out there for the rest of you.

I also claimed one-shot, though I suppose you could say I might lie about it. 
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1061 on: September 29, 2016, 01:40:46 pm »

More experienced players: is there anything that would have given away to scums that WW is a vig, assuming he is one and has been playing like it? I feel like that's a question that will be asked when I flip, anyway, so we might as well make a head start.

I mean even the breadcrumb that he claims to have left is extremely vague, and I'm still not entirely sure it is even a breadcrumb. So no I don't think scum was some how tipped off to him being a PR or a vig.

No, but also if you're a Roleblocker you're going to choose someone, so there's a 1/5 chance just randomly picking.
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« Reply #1062 on: September 29, 2016, 01:41:13 pm »

More experienced players: is there anything that would have given away to scums that WW is a vig, assuming he is one and has been playing like it? I feel like that's a question that will be asked when I flip, anyway, so we might as well make a head start.

I mean even the breadcrumb that he claims to have left is extremely vague, and I'm still not entirely sure it is even a breadcrumb. So no I don't think scum was some how tipped off to him being a PR or a vig.

WW's behavior today is super consistent with his play in Marvel Heroes Mafia where he was Daredevil, the motion detector. He opened that game by saying something like "I don't afraid of anything!" and then later referenced that post as a breadcrumb when Faust falsely incriminated him for the night kill.

So yeah, I'm pretty convinced that WW is town because he I've never seen him play scum like this but town yes and not in any obvious way like he's trying to copy it.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1063 on: September 29, 2016, 02:08:48 pm »

If anyone did RB WW, might this be a good point to say, if I'm going to get mislynched?

Annoyingly, even when I flip town, it doesn't even guarantee we have a guaranteed scum in WW, because he could still have been RB'd by scum if he actually is a vig.

More experienced players: is there anything that would have given away to scums that WW is a vig, assuming he is one and has been playing like it? I feel like that's a question that will be asked when I flip, anyway, so we might as well make a head start.

If WW is a vig, he pretty much has to be a one-shot from the setup letters, so killing him or me is sort of equivalent, given that he's now essentially no better than VT, and could be scum, whereas I'm VT or PR or scum as far as most of you are concerned. Not sure that will sway people like gkrieg, who seems to find me scummy no matter what I say, but maybe it's worth throwing out there for the rest of you.

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« Reply #1064 on: September 29, 2016, 03:48:49 pm »

So, I'm kind of against mass claiming, as gives scum too much info.

And mafia must have a full strongman, thus faust must have been double protected last night.
We have no UB/ faust is the UB.

Claims:
WW: 1-shot vig, who shot Space last night
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« Reply #1065 on: September 29, 2016, 03:49:30 pm »

But that requires 3 doctors/roleblockers right? 2 to protect faust, and 1 to protect Space?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1066 on: September 29, 2016, 03:52:26 pm »

But that requires 3 doctors/roleblockers right? 2 to protect faust, and 1 to protect Space?

Not if Space is bulletproof scum, or if scum RB'd me
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1067 on: September 29, 2016, 03:53:29 pm »

But not scum only has BP if we have all six PRs.  That was my thinking for proposing mass claim in the first place, to determine if we were in such a scenario.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1068 on: September 29, 2016, 03:53:48 pm »

But not scum only has BP if we have all six PRs.  That was my thinking for proposing mass claim in the first place, to determine if we were in such a scenario.

As it is, I believe we must have at least five.

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« Reply #1069 on: September 29, 2016, 03:57:18 pm »

But that requires 3 doctors/roleblockers right? 2 to protect faust, and 1 to protect Space?

Not if Space is bulletproof scum, or if scum RB'd me
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1070 on: September 29, 2016, 04:24:12 pm »

The possible issue with our reasoning is a oddball scenario where scum decides to not shoot Faust and have one/two of them claim doctor/blocker.   I have trouble imagining that, and not really sure it can be done "safely", but maybe it's worth keeping in mind at some point.

Well.. I guess they could have done that to make town blow any doctor 1-shots also, but that only makes sense if they were a 1-shot Strongman, which could only happen if there are no PRs beyond me, Faust, RR. 
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1071 on: September 29, 2016, 05:10:48 pm »

One question: Do we think the claims are true?

I'm leaning towards yes, although Schadd's would be an easy scum fakeclaim.
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« Reply #1072 on: September 29, 2016, 05:11:14 pm »

I'm more inclined to believe Schadd than not believe him.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1073 on: September 29, 2016, 05:12:28 pm »

Faust: claim obviously true
WW: claim probably true
Schadd: someone is a doctor, but claim may well be true. I think okay for now, as a 1-shot doctor who had used their shot would probably counterclaim him
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1074 on: September 29, 2016, 05:24:37 pm »

Faust: claim obviously true
WW: claim probably true
Schadd: someone is a doctor, but claim may well be true. I think okay for now, as a 1-shot doctor who had used their shot would probably counterclaim him

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« Reply #1075 on: September 29, 2016, 06:09:17 pm »

Faust: claim obviously true
WW: claim probably true
Schadd: someone is a doctor, but claim may well be true. I think okay for now, as a 1-shot doctor who had used their shot would probably counterclaim him

I'm not sure I understand the schadd thing
Assume schadd is lying i.e. he's scum rather than a 1-shot doctor.
Then it's likely we have 2 doctors, so it's likely 1 of them is 1-shot (check the setup & do the maths).
The true 1-shot doctor will have used his shot up protecting faust.
Therefore, the true 1-shot doctor is basically a VT now.
So they would counterclaim schadd.
No-one has counterclaimed schadd, ergo it seems reasonably likely he's telling the truth.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1076 on: September 29, 2016, 06:21:47 pm »

Faust: claim obviously true
WW: claim probably true
Schadd: someone is a doctor, but claim may well be true. I think okay for now, as a 1-shot doctor who had used their shot would probably counterclaim him

I'm not sure I understand the schadd thing
Assume schadd is lying i.e. he's scum rather than a 1-shot doctor.
Then it's likely we have 2 doctors, so it's likely 1 of them is 1-shot (check the setup & do the maths).
The true 1-shot doctor will have used his shot up protecting faust.
Therefore, the true 1-shot doctor is basically a VT now.
So they would counterclaim schadd.
No-one has counterclaimed schadd, ergo it seems reasonably likely he's telling the truth.

But 2 1-shot doctors and one full doctor is possible right?  That would be DDMVCE
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« Reply #1077 on: September 29, 2016, 06:49:30 pm »

Faust: claim obviously true
WW: claim probably true
Schadd: someone is a doctor, but claim may well be true. I think okay for now, as a 1-shot doctor who had used their shot would probably counterclaim him

I'm not sure I understand the schadd thing
Assume schadd is lying i.e. he's scum rather than a 1-shot doctor.
Then it's likely we have 2 doctors, so it's likely 1 of them is 1-shot (check the setup & do the maths).
The true 1-shot doctor will have used his shot up protecting faust.
Therefore, the true 1-shot doctor is basically a VT now.
So they would counterclaim schadd.
No-one has counterclaimed schadd, ergo it seems reasonably likely he's telling the truth.

But 2 1-shot doctors and one full doctor is possible right?  That would be DDMVCE
Yes or DDDMVC.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1078 on: September 29, 2016, 06:49:38 pm »

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1079 on: September 30, 2016, 12:30:32 am »


WW: 1-shot vig, who shot Space last night
schadd: 1-shot doc, saved faust last night
   i think there is a small but perhaps non-trivial chance that ww is lying. in the case that the scums know that there are between 2 and 3 PRs, they might have elected to not use the strongman in order to gather information, and when faust didn't die (you're welcome, maybe) that was an all-clear that it is CEM and there are no vigilantes, and thus no-one to contest the vig thing. if anyone else knows they have they have a PR (esp. cop, since it can't explain faust's survival), then they will know this scenario to be impossible.
   in the case of 4-6 power roles, it gets more entropic (what with roleblockers and junk), and scum!ww might feel too uncertain about claiming vig (though i wouldn't be surprised if he had somewhat precise probablistic stuff that he wasn't willing to share).
   these scenarios seem somewhat maybe unlikely; from my perspective (i.e., given MEC or so), the first one i think has a 1-in-8 chance, and the current situation that we're concocting to account for ww's claim seems, well, pretty hard to compute. which of these gets shaved off by occam's razor? this is the part where probability analysis would really help town and also be super boring.


  pros, for ww's case: the breadcrumb definitely only helps his case. that said, i perhaps wouldn't put it past scum!him to do that just to see if it would become useful.


  cons, for ww's case: he really seemed to skip past the part where he provided a lot of evidence for the claim (considering that there is nothing that happened N2 that would make more sense with a vig) and went right to the implications part. perhaps the fact that we have collectively been willing to accept ww's claim suggests that we do indeed have a bunch of folks with PRs.


   maybe i as well didn't provide any evidence for my claim, but also, uh, read the parenthetical in the last paragraph. and i don't suppose people would have trouble believing me if i said that i sorta forgot about my medical degree until D2ish, which is why there aren't any breadcrumbs or anything.


   also, crapcrud hecking heckfarts. roadrunner seemed so scummy. it is not doing me any favors that i was the first person to vote for the two lynches on their respective days
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1080 on: September 30, 2016, 12:33:12 am »

WW: 1-shot vig, who shot Space last night
schadd: 1-shot doc, saved faust last night
it looks like i intentionally quoted this for context, but i meant to say "this sounds like song lyrics" and then do the rest of the post as a separate thought. i forgot to do that.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1081 on: September 30, 2016, 12:42:19 am »

here is another random thing


at the time of this post, this is the post count in this thread of the following people (including the sign-up ones, but those are negligible):


witherweaver: 151
faust: 125
j reggie: 111
lalight: 110
iguanaiguana: 98
gkrieg: 93
schaddio: 78
joseph: 74
spaceanemone: 59

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1082 on: September 30, 2016, 06:28:43 am »

here is another random thing


at the time of this post, this is the post count in this thread of the following people (including the sign-up ones, but those are negligible):


witherweaver: 151
faust: 125
j reggie: 111
lalight: 110
iguanaiguana: 98
gkrieg: 93
schaddio: 78
joseph: 74
spaceanemone: 59
So Space is the lurker then- should vote him.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1083 on: September 30, 2016, 06:29:48 am »

Vote: Gkrieg
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1084 on: September 30, 2016, 06:41:38 am »

So Space is the lurker then- should vote him.

I clam up when there are too many people in the room, so my numbers haven't recovered from a quiet D1. Mail-mi already commented on that, and eventually agreed he was wrong to call it scummy, given the same thing happened in BSG... the fact he was trying the same tactic here as when he persuaded gkrieg to mislynch me in BSG is one of the main reasons I voted for him earlier on here.

Also, I'm still not a "him"...
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1085 on: September 30, 2016, 08:52:52 am »

"him" evidently mean Gkrieg~
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1086 on: September 30, 2016, 08:58:47 am »

"him" evidently mean Gkrieg~

I guess Joseph is being confusing...

Should I understand what the little "8" graphic he posted was about?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1087 on: September 30, 2016, 09:00:20 am »

"him" evidently mean Gkrieg~

I guess Joseph is being confusing...

Should I understand what the little "8" graphic he posted was about?

I guess he's in debt? I'm not really understanding the gkrieg thing either.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1088 on: September 30, 2016, 09:48:07 am »

I targeted Space primarily because of Faust's last posts yesterday.
So you decided to sheep me because me reads so far have proven to be so amazing?
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« Reply #1089 on: September 30, 2016, 09:48:32 am »

I targeted Space primarily because of Faust's last posts yesterday.
So you decided to sheep me because me reads so far have proven to be so amazing?

Because how likely is it that you're wrong about everyone?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1090 on: September 30, 2016, 09:48:58 am »

Also, the other stuff I said during that post.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1091 on: September 30, 2016, 10:00:14 am »

Vote Count 3.2:

SpaceAnemone (3): Witherweaver, gkrieg13, LaLight
Witherweaver (1): faust
gkrieg13 (1): Joseph2302

Not Voting (4): SpaceAnemone, J Reggie, schadd, iguanaiguana

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1092 on: September 30, 2016, 10:04:12 am »

For what it's worth, I looked back over the game (specifically Space, LaLight, and the general end of day), to see if I found anything to make me want to shoot someone, and at the end Space seemed the best.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1093 on: September 30, 2016, 10:05:12 am »

Scum had choice between two mislynches around the end of yesterday, so I'm not really sure what information is in the treatment of those wagons.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1094 on: September 30, 2016, 10:05:37 am »

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1095 on: September 30, 2016, 10:07:48 am »

I had a bug post that got eaten. How do you feel about iguana now Faust?

Same with WW and SA.

Also I'm still down for a Joseph lynch
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1096 on: September 30, 2016, 10:10:20 am »

I don't think Iguana is preferable to Space.  Though his entry into today makes me want to lynch him.

Joseph I still don't have a feeling on. 
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1097 on: September 30, 2016, 12:44:10 pm »

Hi. Well, I think the chance that both WW and Space are town is quite low, given my survival. I don't really like the way WW is playing this, but uh that usually means that he's town. That 1-shot BP explanation is not great. Let's try to figure some stuff out.

We have: MFXXXX (F is C or E) for sure. If WW tells the truth, it's MFVXXX. If schadd tells the truth as well, it's one of

MEEVXX
MECVXX
MDDCVX

This all means that mafia has a full strongman. So why did I not die?

1) Mafia did not use the Strongman kill. Seems very unlikely, because there's no Tracker, so basically no reason to do so.
2) Mafia got blocked, leading to
MEEVBX
MECVBX
MDDCVB

3) I got double-doctored, so MDDCVX.

I think if we have a roleblocker, they should claim, because that will most likely give us a scum, and even the Strongman.

Also, we have at most one X unaccounted for, so 1-shot BP scum is a real possibility.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1098 on: September 30, 2016, 12:52:46 pm »

So you are assuming that WW is telling the truth and saying the chance that both WW and SA are town is very low.  So you are saying you think SA is scum then? 

Actually your whole post is a little weird.  You are saying that you don't like the 1-shot BP explanation, but then your conclusion is that it is a real possibility?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1099 on: September 30, 2016, 12:55:34 pm »

Faust is IC and schadd is close enough for me to give him a game-pass.

I believe WW. Why, on a night that no one died, would scum fakeclaim using one shot of a vigilante power? That makes no sense. It wouldn't even occur to them. The only reason to claim something like that is if it actually happened. If WW is faking that claim, I congratulate him for being very creative.

That leaves me with Gkrieg, LaLight, Joseph, Space, and J Reggie and three of those five are scum.

Based on how LaLight reacted to my suspicion yesterday, I don't think LaLight is scum anymore. Between the last four, trying to figure out which one is town is uh super hard. Yes, that's assuming I made the correct decision about everyone else. I could be wrong about LaLight or WW, I just really don't think so.

Anyway, I guess the most likely town to me out of those four is........ Gkrieg? But, Gkrieg could seriously be scum and just playing well too, so yeah.

That's where I'm at.

I'm kinda annoyed that we failed to lynch J Reggie D1, then he just lurked the next several days, and now even still no one is considering he's scum when the odds from my perspective are overwhelming that he is scum and the odds from everyone else's perspective should be pretty damn high too.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1100 on: September 30, 2016, 12:57:28 pm »

So you are assuming that WW is telling the truth and saying the chance that both WW and SA are town is very low.  So you are saying you think SA is scum then? 

Actually your whole post is a little weird.  You are saying that you don't like the 1-shot BP explanation, but then your conclusion is that it is a real possibility?
It's called "stream of consciousness".
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« Reply #1101 on: September 30, 2016, 12:59:41 pm »

Can everyone read the like 6 short posts that J Reggie has made so far in D3 and tell me with a straight face that they are not super scummy?
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« Reply #1102 on: September 30, 2016, 01:00:01 pm »

Faust is IC and schadd is close enough for me to give him a game-pass.

I believe WW. Why, on a night that no one died, would scum fakeclaim using one shot of a vigilante power? That makes no sense. It wouldn't even occur to them. The only reason to claim something like that is if it actually happened. If WW is faking that claim, I congratulate him for being very creative.

That leaves me with Gkrieg, LaLight, Joseph, Space, and J Reggie and three of those five are scum.

Based on how LaLight reacted to my suspicion yesterday, I don't think LaLight is scum anymore. Between the last four, trying to figure out which one is town is uh super hard. Yes, that's assuming I made the correct decision about everyone else. I could be wrong about LaLight or WW, I just really don't think so.

Anyway, I guess the most likely town to me out of those four is........ Gkrieg? But, Gkrieg could seriously be scum and just playing well too, so yeah.

That's where I'm at.

I'm kinda annoyed that we failed to lynch J Reggie D1, then he just lurked the next several days, and now even still no one is considering he's scum when the odds from my perspective are overwhelming that he is scum and the odds from everyone else's perspective should be pretty damn high too.

I just feel like SA is scum just from my reread of them D2.  I get what you are saying with the J Reggie thing, but I just feel like we have a better chance with SA.  I would definitely lynch J Reggie, but he isn't my first option, or even my second option.

In my eyes, iguana and faust and schadd are townie.  Then order of scumminess is SA>Joseph>J Reggie>LaLight>WW

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1103 on: September 30, 2016, 01:01:00 pm »

Faust is IC and schadd is close enough for me to give him a game-pass.

I believe WW. Why, on a night that no one died, would scum fakeclaim using one shot of a vigilante power? That makes no sense. It wouldn't even occur to them. The only reason to claim something like that is if it actually happened. If WW is faking that claim, I congratulate him for being very creative.

That leaves me with Gkrieg, LaLight, Joseph, Space, and J Reggie and three of those five are scum.

Based on how LaLight reacted to my suspicion yesterday, I don't think LaLight is scum anymore. Between the last four, trying to figure out which one is town is uh super hard. Yes, that's assuming I made the correct decision about everyone else. I could be wrong about LaLight or WW, I just really don't think so.

Anyway, I guess the most likely town to me out of those four is........ Gkrieg? But, Gkrieg could seriously be scum and just playing well too, so yeah.

That's where I'm at.

I'm kinda annoyed that we failed to lynch J Reggie D1, then he just lurked the next several days, and now even still no one is considering he's scum when the odds from my perspective are overwhelming that he is scum and the odds from everyone else's perspective should be pretty damn high too.

I just feel like SA is scum just from my reread of them D2.  I get what you are saying with the J Reggie thing, but I just feel like we have a better chance with SA.  I would definitely lynch J Reggie, but he isn't my first option, or even my second option.

In my eyes, iguana and faust and schadd are townie.  Then order of scumminess is SA>Joseph>J Reggie>LaLight>WW

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It's annoying to quibble about something like that at all when the scum team could very well just be Joseph/Space/Reggie.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1104 on: September 30, 2016, 01:01:10 pm »

I don't really like the way WW is playing this, but uh that usually means that he's town.

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« Reply #1105 on: September 30, 2016, 01:01:58 pm »

We must kill the scummiest scum today! We can't settle for second or third scummiest until tomorrow!
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1106 on: September 30, 2016, 01:03:21 pm »

Can everyone read the like 6 short posts that J Reggie has made so far in D3 and tell me with a straight face that they are not super scummy?

I would go for scummy, but not super scummy. 
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« Reply #1107 on: September 30, 2016, 01:09:44 pm »

Can everyone read the like 6 short posts that J Reggie has made so far in D3 and tell me with a straight face that they are not super scummy?

I would go for scummy, but not super scummy.
Reasonably scummy
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1108 on: September 30, 2016, 01:10:53 pm »

I believe WW. Why, on a night that no one died, would scum fakeclaim using one shot of a vigilante power? That makes no sense. It wouldn't even occur to them. The only reason to claim something like that is if it actually happened. If WW is faking that claim, I congratulate him for being very creative.


in the case that the scums know that there are between 2 and 3 PRs, they might have elected to not use the strongman in order to gather information, and when faust didn't die (you're welcome, maybe) that was an all-clear that it is CEM and there are no vigilantes, and thus no-one to contest the vig thing.
ww becomes an IC, and our sense of the PRs is thrown off if we believe him (maybe we would eventually deduce it out, but i don't see how, at least until more people die).
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1109 on: September 30, 2016, 01:11:34 pm »

Hi. Well, I think the chance that both WW and Space are town is quite low, given my survival.

From my point of view, the two questions are somewhat independent, so conditioning the likelihood on your survival is pretty much irrelevant.

If WW is a vig, he was almost certainly a lucky block by scum, because town has a rather low likelihood of having a RB, whereas scum is guaranteed one (since we know we have at least two non-T rolls in the setup).
 
If WW is not a vig, he's pretty much guaranteed to be scum. I guess him being scum makes scum slightly more likely overall to do clever things, since he's an experienced player, but that's about the only way the vig thing and the faust-not-being-dead thing should be correlated, I think.

The question of why you're not dead revolves around what the town doctor(s) or possible RB were up to, and on whether the scum made some form of mistake (like not getting their kill together on time, as WW suggested).

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1110 on: September 30, 2016, 01:17:11 pm »

actually, @igu has a point.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1111 on: September 30, 2016, 01:23:15 pm »

Hi. Well, I think the chance that both WW and Space are town is quite low, given my survival.

 
If WW is not a vig, he's pretty much guaranteed to be scum.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1112 on: September 30, 2016, 01:49:45 pm »

Hi. Well, I think the chance that both WW and Space are town is quite low, given my survival.

 
If WW is not a vig, he's pretty much guaranteed to be scum.

What, like I would fake claim Vig as town?!
Agree, seems like a barbaric claim, and would just screw up all the town information.
I think it's an unlikely scum fakeclaim as well.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1113 on: September 30, 2016, 01:50:02 pm »

And I'm busy this weekend, so will be LA
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1114 on: September 30, 2016, 02:01:18 pm »

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« Reply #1115 on: September 30, 2016, 02:06:21 pm »

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« Reply #1116 on: September 30, 2016, 02:08:38 pm »

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1117 on: September 30, 2016, 03:37:09 pm »

I'm with family all weekend so won't be able to post much. I should reread Joseph. He's starting to remind me of himself in duel mafia. I keep getting caught up on the fact that he always gets mislynched. Also ii is tunneling me again,

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1118 on: September 30, 2016, 03:44:14 pm »

I prefer Space above the other options.. the reaction sounds like someone that's caught, and what's more suspicious about it is that it isn't actually "caught".  (I mean I don't have an actual guilty result.)  I'd be okay with Joseph, hm.. I guess okay with Iguana.. J Reggie I don't really know, I guess okay there.  I suppose I've gone town on Gkrieg.  I don't see a compelling reason to doubt Schadd's claim.  Oh, and there's LaLight.  He's kind of around J Reggie.  I guess my lynch order looks like:

Space
Joseph
{Iguana, J Reggie, LaLight} // don't really know how to order these
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1119 on: September 30, 2016, 04:41:16 pm »

Vote: J Reggie

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1120 on: September 30, 2016, 04:42:20 pm »

Faust, when you on D1 said you believed both wagons were on town, did you have a reason?

I was super frustrated EoD1 trying to get what seemed like a great lynch through and Mail-mi did not strike me as scummy at-all : (
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1121 on: September 30, 2016, 04:48:22 pm »

Faust, when you on D1 said you believed both wagons were on town, did you have a reason?

I was super frustrated EoD1 trying to get what seemed like a great lynch through and Mail-mi did not strike me as scummy at-all : (

I can't explain why, but I felt that way too.  I think I even said so at some point.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1122 on: September 30, 2016, 05:46:03 pm »

Vote Count 3.2:

SpaceAnemone (2): Witherweaver, gkrieg13
Witherweaver (1): faust
gkrieg13 (1): Joseph2302
J Reggie (2): LaLight, igu

Not Voting (3): SpaceAnemone, J Reggie, schadd

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1123 on: October 01, 2016, 04:21:00 am »

Faust, when you on D1 said you believed both wagons were on town, did you have a reason?

I was super frustrated EoD1 trying to get what seemed like a great lynch through and Mail-mi did not strike me as scummy at-all : (
General feeling. I did not investigate an further. silverspawn agreed, if that's helping.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1124 on: October 01, 2016, 08:56:44 am »

Faust, when you on D1 said you believed both wagons were on town, did you have a reason?

I was super frustrated EoD1 trying to get what seemed like a great lynch through and Mail-mi did not strike me as scummy at-all : (
General feeling. I did not investigate an further. silverspawn agreed, if that's helping.

Any comment on how the PoE is by now overwhelmingly in favor of him being scum?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1125 on: October 01, 2016, 09:30:08 am »

Faust, when you on D1 said you believed both wagons were on town, did you have a reason?

I was super frustrated EoD1 trying to get what seemed like a great lynch through and Mail-mi did not strike me as scummy at-all : (
General feeling. I did not investigate an further. silverspawn agreed, if that's helping.

Any comment on how the PoE is by now overwhelmingly in favor of him being scum?

The other options are really just you and LaLight right?  And I guess WW. I mean order doesn't matter too much, but I guess going J Reggie first is fine with me. I guess really we just want to kill the strongman first.

Are you the strongman Reggie?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1126 on: October 01, 2016, 09:44:55 am »

Faust, when you on D1 said you believed both wagons were on town, did you have a reason?

I was super frustrated EoD1 trying to get what seemed like a great lynch through and Mail-mi did not strike me as scummy at-all : (
General feeling. I did not investigate an further. silverspawn agreed, if that's helping.

Any comment on how the PoE is by now overwhelmingly in favor of him being scum?
Not any more than it is in favor of you being scum.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1127 on: October 01, 2016, 09:57:23 am »

Let's talk about fakeclaiming, yes?

In which scenario does WW fakeclaim? Well, it's supposed to be acquitting him. Suppose he performed the kill as scum, because he's the Strongman. No kill makes it likely that he was roleblocked, which in turn makes him look pretty bad. Vig claim is a way out, and to stay alive. Countering this is the fact that he planned this claim early (with breadcrumbing and asking for my reads), so that would mean that he planned it without knowing he would get into this kind of situation.

In which scenario does schadd fakeclaim? Well I think only with a veteran scum partner. I mean, the options for that are really limited. And the claim would be planned ahead, so they would kind of have to know that I wouldn't die. Which seems unlikely. Or schadd is just really good and saw the potential... but then this does not explain how I am still alive.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1128 on: October 01, 2016, 10:19:03 am »

Faust, when you on D1 said you believed both wagons were on town, did you have a reason?

I was super frustrated EoD1 trying to get what seemed like a great lynch through and Mail-mi did not strike me as scummy at-all : (
General feeling. I did not investigate an further. silverspawn agreed, if that's helping.

Any comment on how the PoE is by now overwhelmingly in favor of him being scum?
Not any more than it is in favor of you being scum.

I do understand how from your perspective the PoE is less clear because I am in it but I also think I am objectively townier than any of Joseph, J Reggie or Space also. I know I've said a couple thoughtless things but I don't play this way as scum even when I try.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1129 on: October 01, 2016, 10:19:20 am »

Are you the strongman Reggie?

Unfortunately no. Town doesn't have a strongman.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1130 on: October 01, 2016, 10:21:56 am »

Let's talk about fakeclaiming, yes?

In which scenario does WW fakeclaim? Well, it's supposed to be acquitting him. Suppose he performed the kill as scum, because he's the Strongman. No kill makes it likely that he was roleblocked, which in turn makes him look pretty bad. Vig claim is a way out, and to stay alive. Countering this is the fact that he planned this claim early (with breadcrumbing and asking for my reads), so that would mean that he planned it without knowing he would get into this kind of situation.

In which scenario does schadd fakeclaim? Well I think only with a veteran scum partner. I mean, the options for that are really limited. And the claim would be planned ahead, so they would kind of have to know that I wouldn't die. Which seems unlikely. Or schadd is just really good and saw the potential... but then this does not explain how I am still alive.

So the only way that Schadd is fakeclaiming is if it is WW/Schadd, and they decided not to kill anyone in order to rake in town points for a day instead.

WW fakeclaim is more likely. Claim vig in case someone noticed that you've been killing people....

It's hard for me to wrap my head around.

Would it be a good idea for any town roleblockers/doctors out there to claim their actions so we know what's going on?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1131 on: October 01, 2016, 10:23:45 am »


Would it be a good idea for any town roleblockers/doctors out there to claim their actions so we know what's going on?

To be clear, I'm asking, not telling anyone to claim anything. Specifically I'm asking Faust because he's good at this night action stuff and I'm absolutely rotten at it.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1132 on: October 01, 2016, 10:32:33 am »

Let's look at D1 assuming that WW and schadd are both town, see where this gets us.

- Space-A is RVSing iguana. RVSing your scumpartner is a classic newbie mistake.
Other than that, let's skip RVS stuff.

- J Reggie argues against a Joseph wagon.
- There is a Reggie wagon: gkrieg, WW, silver, mail-mi. Two confirmed townzorz, one supposed, and one rather townie player.
- then we get the mail-mi L-1 thing.
schadd, faust, silver, iguana, Reggie, gkrieg. LaLight states intent to hammer.
Well the first bunch is towns. iguana and Reggie jump on at a pretty dubious point.
- we get a minor Joseph wagon started: faust, silver, schadd. No scums jump on this one. Interesting.
- Joseph, iguana, gkrieg start a wagon on me. Well that's not the scum team.
- let's look at a spacy reads list!
Witherweaver -- Null (still overconfident/sarky, though!)
LaLight -- Still very newbie!town.
silverspawn -- Null.. He has a lot of short posts I can't really get my teeth into.
gkrieg13 -- Mild town (and I have sympathy with him having put this on the back burner spend time trying to win BSG, even though he actually killed me!)
faust -- Null so far, leaning mild town.
Roadrunner7671 -- I don't even know.
Joseph2302 -- Mild town
SpaceAnemone -- Spaaaaaaaaaace!
J Reggie -- Null. Some bits of him seem scummy, but other bits seem quite towny.
schadd -- Mild scum maybe, if he knows people here from other forum interactions?
iguanaiguana -- Towny.
mail-mi -- Mild scum. I did just come from a game where he was scum, and he seems really similar.
Assuming they are scum, I don't think they would townread both their partners, which would point towards a Space-A/Reggie.
- here comes a pretty interesting point in the game:
J Reggie (4): Witherweaver, iguanaiguana, silverspawn, schadd
mail-mi (4): J Reggie, faust, LaLight, SpaceAnemone
faust (3): Joseph2302, gkrieg13, Roadrunner7671
We have 3 towns on Reggie, 1 town on mail-mi and 1 town on me. Reggie looks like a better candidate now.
Then mail-mi votes for Reggie. Wow, 4 towns.
- LaLight tries to start a new RR wagon with silver. Slight town points for that.
- Then we get Reggie to L-1:
Witherweaver, iguanaiguana, schadd, silverspawn, LaLight, faust
gkrieg with the intent to hammer. Man, that's 4 towns. This is not scum-driven for sure. And I mean, LaLight is also on the towny side.
- and then mail-mi gets hammered.

Okay so. I think Reggie is a good place for a vote.

Vote: J Reggie I think L-2.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1133 on: October 01, 2016, 10:33:30 am »


Would it be a good idea for any town roleblockers/doctors out there to claim their actions so we know what's going on?

To be clear, I'm asking, not telling anyone to claim anything. Specifically I'm asking Faust because he's good at this night action stuff and I'm absolutely rotten at it.

Doctor claim is awful. RB claim is probably very good because it outs the scum Strongman.
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« Reply #1134 on: October 01, 2016, 10:47:09 am »

Dude, that's what I've been saying this whole time! Thank you for writing it out in the convincing Faust way.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1135 on: October 01, 2016, 11:20:05 am »


Would it be a good idea for any town roleblockers/doctors out there to claim their actions so we know what's going on?

To be clear, I'm asking, not telling anyone to claim anything. Specifically I'm asking Faust because he's good at this night action stuff and I'm absolutely rotten at it.

Doctor claim is awful. RB claim is probably very good because it outs the scum Strongman.
Agreed.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1136 on: October 01, 2016, 11:54:50 am »

Posting from a train again, so not coping with editing quotes, but I want to respond to faust's big post.

I think assuming I'm scum and then using that as an extra axiom in your logic is a really questionable move. If you think I'm scum, lynch me, see me flip town, then rethink your assumptions. Don't assume I'm scum and use that to lynch other people who in isolation might not look so bad... Would JR flipping town even change your mind about me at all?

I'd like to see a version of your reasoning that assumes I'm town, too. I don't think my innocence even implies WW's guilt, which is frustrating, because it makes that a complicated exercise. And I've been worried about schadd ever since he "invented" the term townslip. This whole thing isn't good! :-(
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1137 on: October 01, 2016, 12:03:25 pm »

Plane about to take off but can we lynch SA instead?

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1138 on: October 01, 2016, 12:08:51 pm »

Plane about to take off but can we lynch SA instead?

Please and thank you

If WW is telling the truth then Space is likely to be the 1 shot Bulletproof scum. Which makes Space basically a goon now, so we lynch J Reggie and get a better shot at lynching the strongman.

Man, this post makes me sound like I'm protecting a partner. We can totally lynch Space if that is what people want. Seriously, I think Space is 90% likely to be scum. I just also think that about Reggiemon.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1139 on: October 01, 2016, 12:11:18 pm »

Plane about to take off but can we lynch SA instead?

Please and thank you

If WW is telling the truth then Space is likely to be the 1 shot Bulletproof scum. Which makes Space basically a goon now, so we lynch J Reggie and get a better shot at lynching the strongman.

Man, this post makes me sound like I'm protecting a partner. We can totally lynch Space if that is what people want. Seriously, I think Space is 90% likely to be scum. I just also think that about Reggiemon.

What if they is a bulletproof strongman? Is it possible?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1140 on: October 01, 2016, 12:11:57 pm »

Plane about to take off but can we lynch SA instead?

Please and thank you

If WW is telling the truth then Space is likely to be the 1 shot Bulletproof scum. Which makes Space basically a goon now, so we lynch J Reggie and get a better shot at lynching the strongman.

Man, this post makes me sound like I'm protecting a partner. We can totally lynch Space if that is what people want. Seriously, I think Space is 90% likely to be scum. I just also think that about Reggiemon.

What if they is a bulletproof strongman? Is it possible?

I haven't recently read the setup but I super don't think so?
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« Reply #1141 on: October 01, 2016, 12:17:18 pm »

I checked

They can. If we have zero T's one member is randomly bulletproof.
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« Reply #1142 on: October 01, 2016, 12:31:08 pm »

I checked

They can. If we have zero T's one member is randomly bulletproof.

Okay, I checked too. That's not us because Mail-mi was VT.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1143 on: October 01, 2016, 12:31:55 pm »

Nope, I'm wrong.
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« Reply #1144 on: October 01, 2016, 12:34:55 pm »

Okay, everything I said was wrong. Space or any scum could be the strongman. A random scum gets a bulletproof if we are dealing with 6 PRs. I get it now, my bad.
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« Reply #1145 on: October 01, 2016, 12:37:38 pm »

Okay, everything I said was wrong. Space or any scum could be the strongman. A random scum gets a bulletproof if we are dealing with 6 PRs. I get it now, my bad.

I think it's vote: SpaceAnemone then
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« Reply #1146 on: October 01, 2016, 01:32:26 pm »

Cool, let's do it then

Bowie's in Spaaaaace

and Space is probably scum.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1147 on: October 01, 2016, 01:59:56 pm »

Argh, seriously, I'm not scum! The whole argument for you guys suspecting me of being scum was that I didn't die when WW claims to have vigged me, hence the suspicion that I might have been BP. And now people are suddenly re-speculating on all this stuff as if they haven't even really thought this through at all :-( I really can't mount a proper defence right now because I'm out in London for the night and away from a computer till tomorrow night...
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1148 on: October 01, 2016, 02:00:32 pm »

Argh, seriously, I'm not scum! The whole argument for you guys suspecting me of being scum was that I didn't die when WW claims to have vigged me, hence the suspicion that I might have been BP. And now people are suddenly re-speculating on all this stuff as if they haven't even really thought this through at all :-( I really can't mount a proper defence right now because I'm out in London for the night and away from a computer till tomorrow night...

Not really; my reason is mostly is how you've acted today.
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« Reply #1149 on: October 01, 2016, 02:07:41 pm »

Argh, seriously, I'm not scum! The whole argument for you guys suspecting me of being scum was that I didn't die when WW claims to have vigged me, hence the suspicion that I might have been BP. And now people are suddenly re-speculating on all this stuff as if they haven't even really thought this through at all :-( I really can't mount a proper defence right now because I'm out in London for the night and away from a computer till tomorrow night...

Eh, I'm voting for your because you are trying to get townie players like schadd lynched and being completely silent about all of the unknowns who should be under a lot of suspicion. You're playing like you have an agenda, IE: like newbie scum.

If you are town then this lynch is your own fault. You should have been looking into the unknowns (Reggie, Joseph, Gkrieg, uh me) and trying to figure out which ones of them are most likely to be scum.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1150 on: October 01, 2016, 02:08:44 pm »

Also, really really good PoE. So it's not like it's all your fault but it looks super bad for you.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1151 on: October 01, 2016, 02:20:47 pm »

Vote Count 3.3:

SpaceAnemone (4): Witherweaver, gkrieg13, LaLight, iguana
gkrieg13 (1): Joseph2302
J Reggie (1): faust

Not Voting (3): SpaceAnemone, J Reggie, schadd

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1152 on: October 01, 2016, 04:43:49 pm »

Woah OK that's L-1. I really don't have the time right now, but hopefully tonight I can reread SA just to be sure if I want to hammer. I think they're probably our best shot. But a mislynch here takes us to lylo with three scum so we need to be careful.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1153 on: October 01, 2016, 04:54:36 pm »

Woah OK that's L-1. I really don't have the time right now, but hopefully tonight I can reread SA just to be sure if I want to hammer. I think they're probably our best shot. But a mislynch here takes us to lylo with three scum so we need to be careful.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1154 on: October 01, 2016, 05:05:43 pm »

Woah OK that's L-1. I really don't have the time right now, but hopefully tonight I can reread SA just to be sure if I want to hammer. I think they're probably our best shot. But a mislynch here takes us to lylo with three scum so we need to be careful.

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If you hammer tonight, I urge everyone to lynch you tomorrow.

Space-A needs at least time to claim.

Well obviously I'd go through the process of expressing intent and letting them claim and everything. I'm just saying that's my plan for tonight if I don't crash as soon as I get home.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1155 on: October 01, 2016, 05:32:38 pm »

Woah OK that's L-1. I really don't have the time right now, but hopefully tonight I can reread SA just to be sure if I want to hammer. I think they're probably our best shot. But a mislynch here takes us to lylo with three scum so we need to be careful.

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« Reply #1156 on: October 01, 2016, 06:21:58 pm »

I do!

Okay I think everyone knows that by now.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1157 on: October 01, 2016, 06:25:21 pm »

I was specifically asking Faust.  He's on Reggie, though it could be because Space is at L-1.
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« Reply #1158 on: October 01, 2016, 06:52:40 pm »

I do!

Okay I think everyone knows that by now.
I'll reread tomorrow, but either Space or JReggie seem like decent options to me.

And given JReggies's intent to intent to hammer, think he might be scum looking to minimise information.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1159 on: October 01, 2016, 06:57:51 pm »

In which scenario does WW fakeclaim? Well, it's supposed to be acquitting him. Suppose he performed the kill as scum, because he's the Strongman. No kill makes it likely that he was roleblocked, which in turn makes him look pretty bad. Vig claim is a way out, and to stay alive. Countering this is the fact that he planned this claim early (with breadcrumbing and asking for my reads), so that would mean that he planned it without knowing he would get into this kind of situation.

so you're saying that he claims vig, pre-empting when someone claims that they roleblocked him (and putting suspicion on s-a if they don't). this assumes MFBXXX (where f is what rr is) and that the roleblocker chose ww (generously 25%, factoring in the potential of >1 roleblocker), which has a total of ~8% chance, and a ~6% chance if you believe me. you are also stating that my potential fakeclaim would result in that juicy 2% difference, plus a bunch of other stuff.


we have, at the very least, 2 roles accounted for, and 1 other one evident if scum didn't decide not to kill (which has to be negligible, right?) so there are limited possibilities. what else is new?


given this, the following board states could result in ww fakeclaiming vig (wherein i give the probability of each, considering how restrictive they are): 
  the one described above: 8%. not completely disjoint with the previous case, though, so maybe, like, 7%?
  MC{D/E/R}TTT: <12.5%. this assumes exactly one town role that saved faust (not necessarily me) and that scum didn't use 1-shot strongman (it gives the info of whether there is a doctor, also they might want to use it later ofc) or roleblock correctly. ww claims vig for free townpoints, to put suspicion on sa (it's working!) and because he knows that there isn't a way to refute it. people have sort of been discounting this one, though it is refuted if there are any other power roles.

and these are the possibilities if we assume ww is not lying:
  MCVBXX (i.e., one 1-shot vig and at least one rb): 9%, but it only works if scum's roleblocker chose ww (which they may have just determined completely from the breadcrumbs) or if sa is bulletproof (25% of two more prs * 33% that it was sa) and also our rb targeted scum (somewhat unlikely; 25%?) which ultimately produces something like 2 or 3%
  MCVDDX or MCVDEX (i.e., one 1-shot vig and at least two doctors): 6%, again either scum's rb targeted ww or sa is bulletproof


so it would seem like, considering all possible board states with only our current information, ww is probably not a vigilante. however, this likelihood is diminished by the fact that, well, he says he's a vigilante, and that no one has come out as a roleblocker, and perhaps the fact that people know that they have power roles. but, people seem to be making the assumption that there is no outcome wherein scum wouldn't use strongman (but oh, there is!) and forgetting that vt is the most likely role. that said, i would caution against unilaterally accepting ww's claim, with our current information. also i would appreciate it if someone pointed out a fallacy i made somewhere.


at the moment, if anyone could claim rb, it would be tresbien. if somebody claimed doctor, that would probably help with our understanding of the board state, but it would still be bad, probably.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1160 on: October 01, 2016, 09:27:19 pm »

Sorry guys I have been trying to read along today, but don't really have time to catch up.  I'm fine with a hammer on SA, after they are given a chance to claim.  I'm also good with J Reggie, I'll try to check in tomorrow, and if something crazy hasn't happened, I will vote J Reggie.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1161 on: October 01, 2016, 09:33:08 pm »

  the one described above: 8%. not completely disjoint with the previous case, though, so maybe, like, 7%?
that should say 'not disjoint with the following case'


there are probably several other such errors but i'm not reading that post again


anyway, i don't really suspect the anemone, at least as much as the rest of you seem to. D1 and 2 i think i'm on record as saying so, and today they've been trying to work through the probabilities &c (which is the way to go! see above).
  one fun but very, very minor point against, though:
If WW is a vig, he was almost certainly a lucky block by scum, because town has a rather low likelihood of having a RB, whereas scum is guaranteed one (since we know we have at least two non-T rolls in the setup).
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i would suspect the people currently on-wagon except i can imagine the position as town that want to push a seemingly obvious lynch (majorities are hard rn) and also not really concerned with probability, etc.


anyway, i currently don't have strong reads, sadly.
  joseph has seemed yucky the whole game, but igu (and maybe others?) said early on that that's just the way he is. he called the claims into question which is a plus.
  j reggie is the opinion of faust, and i reread j reggie and he has been defensive and snarky, but not really all that scummy, to me. that said, i'll sheep faust eventually if need be.
  igu has also seemed hard for me to figure out. he is probably my biggest scumread atm, which isn't saying much, but i don't really like his attitude recently (emphasizing other people's town opinion on him, also seeming confident about the role situation without commenting on it much) but he has the same sort of opinions as me (excepting sa)
  lalight is my other marginal read that is even more inarticulate. the last day, though, he has been working concretely at the board state stuff and also doubted ww's claim. don't like that he townread rr yesterday though
  gkrieg was quite the townie to everyone d1 and d2. he has said some goofyish stuff today (or, rather, stuff that i didn't get) but the towniness still holds
  ww is super hard to read. i really wouldn't put it past him at all to think to fake vig if it's MCDTTT
  hi faust!
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1162 on: October 01, 2016, 10:31:47 pm »

So I'm just going to fall asleep tonight (it's been a long day). So I'm not going to be doing any hammering. Does anyone else think schadd's most recent posts read as kind of weirdly nervous?

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« Reply #1163 on: October 01, 2016, 10:32:36 pm »

Does anyone else think schadd's most recent posts read as kind of weirdly nervous?
i do! i'm weirdly nervous because the game is really confusing atm
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1164 on: October 01, 2016, 10:52:54 pm »

So I'm just going to fall asleep tonight (it's been a long day). So I'm not going to be doing any hammering. Does anyone else think schadd's most recent posts read as kind of weirdly nervous?

lol hi scum

Why are we not killing this guy?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1165 on: October 01, 2016, 10:57:18 pm »

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I don't think you should ascribe gamestate/probabilities analysis to people for town points. Scum does it a lot because it is something they can do that makes them look like they are pushing the game forward while speaking in an unbiased way that doesn't reveal their scum motivation.

In other words, try lying with every breath and sounding genuine as you discuss your fake gut reads when you know almost everything. Then try rattling on and on about game flavor or probabilities or breaking a setup or some other thing like that. The second category of stuff is much easier to produce as scum so scum really likes to do it.

The other thing scum will talk about a lot is town PRs because that is the one thing they don't actually know and it is occupying their minds. Space is doing a lot of that.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1166 on: October 01, 2016, 11:10:25 pm »

I don't think you should ascribe gamestate/probabilities analysis to people for town points. Scum does it a lot because it is something they can do that makes them look like they are pushing the game forward while speaking in an unbiased way that doesn't reveal their scum motivation.
sure. i think that at the moment, though, it is the super pressing thing to be sorted, and it is also the source from which a lot of the suspicion of sa seemed to be derived. that said, though:
  sa, what are your reads at the moment?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1167 on: October 02, 2016, 12:18:04 am »

Well J Reggie is scum and I'm happy to switch back to him if you think Space is a bad call.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1168 on: October 02, 2016, 03:16:20 am »

Woah OK that's L-1. I really don't have the time right now, but hopefully tonight I can reread SA just to be sure if I want to hammer. I think they're probably our best shot. But a mislynch here takes us to lylo with three scum so we need to be careful.

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You think Reggie is a better bet than Space?
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« Reply #1169 on: October 02, 2016, 03:17:45 am »

So I'm just going to fall asleep tonight (it's been a long day). So I'm not going to be doing any hammering. Does anyone else think schadd's most recent posts read as kind of weirdly nervous?

lol hi scum

Why are we not killing this guy?
Probably because you're voting for someone else.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1170 on: October 02, 2016, 03:27:39 am »

IMO we have two scums here and can't decide which one to lynch. Ridiculous
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1171 on: October 02, 2016, 03:42:03 am »

people seem to be making the assumption that there is no outcome wherein scum wouldn't use strongman (but oh, there is!)
Care to enlighten me?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1172 on: October 02, 2016, 03:53:40 am »


This analysis is wrong for a number of reasons.

a) For some reason, you're not factoring in your own role.
b) There is no town roleblocker, or else the would have claimed by now.
c) Probability arguments suck.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1173 on: October 02, 2016, 07:10:32 am »

people seem to be making the assumption that there is no outcome wherein scum wouldn't use strongman (but oh, there is!)
Care to enlighten me?
Why not?
Strongman increases kill chance, which is only a good thing for scum.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1174 on: October 02, 2016, 09:22:15 am »

So I'm just going to fall asleep tonight (it's been a long day). So I'm not going to be doing any hammering. Does anyone else think schadd's most recent posts read as kind of weirdly nervous?

lol hi scum

Why are we not killing this guy?

What? How in the world does this make you think I'm scum. This proves that I want to put energy into my reads, rather than just saying "yep, I reread and I'm good with hammering". I want to know whether I'm making the right decision, and I can't do that when I'm about to collapse after a long day.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1175 on: October 02, 2016, 09:27:08 am »

IMO we have two scums here and can't decide which one to lynch. Ridiculous
Not ridiculous.
Yes they're probably both scum, but one of them is the strongman.
So it's better to kill the strongman first.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1176 on: October 02, 2016, 10:42:32 am »

people seem to be making the assumption that there is no outcome wherein scum wouldn't use strongman (but oh, there is!)
Care to enlighten me?
the one where it's one-shot strongman because there's only three PRs. MCETTT

b) There is no town roleblocker, or else the would have claimed by now.
ok, cool. so now it's MCETTT against the double-doctor one.


a) For some reason, you're not factoring in your own role.
that will generally be my m.o., to provide arguments that work even if you don't believe the other stuff that i'm saying. if you did factor in my claim i think it weakens the ww-is-lying one, since my role forces it to be MCE and not, like, MDC or MER or whatever, whereas it already fits in to the double-doctor ones.


c) Probability arguments suck.
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do you disagree that ww might fakeclaim, then?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1177 on: October 02, 2016, 10:45:56 am »

Woah OK that's L-1. I really don't have the time right now, but hopefully tonight I can reread SA just to be sure if I want to hammer. I think they're probably our best shot. But a mislynch here takes us to lylo with three scum so we need to be careful.

At least SA has an infinitely higher chance at being scum than I do.
If you hammer tonight, I urge everyone to lynch you tomorrow.

Space-A needs at least time to claim.

You think Reggie is a better bet than Space?
Yes. Also, knowing Reggie's alignment will be a big help moving on I think.

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« Reply #1178 on: October 02, 2016, 10:52:17 am »

Well J Reggie is scum and I'm happy to switch back to him if you think Space is a bad call.
can you, like, make a case at all? your D3 reads more scummy to me than his but maybe i'm confusing scummy with trumpy
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« Reply #1179 on: October 02, 2016, 10:54:58 am »

So I'm just going to fall asleep tonight (it's been a long day). So I'm not going to be doing any hammering. Does anyone else think schadd's most recent posts read as kind of weirdly nervous?

lol hi scum

Why are we not killing this guy?

What? How in the world does this make you think I'm scum. This proves that I want to put energy into my reads, rather than just saying "yep, I reread and I'm good with hammering". I want to know whether I'm making the right decision, and I can't do that when I'm about to collapse after a long day.

Just the sentence where you call Schadd weirdly nervous. Sorry, I wasn't calling your IRL exhaustion scummy. Just your reads.
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« Reply #1180 on: October 02, 2016, 10:56:39 am »

IMO we have two scums here and can't decide which one to lynch. Ridiculous
Not ridiculous.
Yes they're probably both scum, but one of them is the strongman.
So it's better to kill the strongman first.

Absolutely impossible to figure out which one that is! It's a shot in the dark. This comment is totally irrelevant.
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« Reply #1181 on: October 02, 2016, 10:59:21 am »

IMO we have two scums here and can't decide which one to lynch. Ridiculous
Not ridiculous.
Yes they're probably both scum, but one of them is the strongman.
So it's better to kill the strongman first.

Absolutely impossible to figure out which one that is! It's a shot in the dark. This comment is totally irrelevant.

Eh, Space being Strongman is more likely if they're both scum.  But I don't think that should be a huge factor.
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« Reply #1182 on: October 02, 2016, 11:14:19 am »

Well J Reggie is scum and I'm happy to switch back to him if you think Space is a bad call.
can you, like, make a case at all? your D3 reads more scummy to me than his but maybe i'm confusing scummy with trumpy

Faust made the case. I very much agree with it. Making the exact same case again is borderline pointless, but since you apparently think I'm scum casting votes for no reason, I'll give my best shot anyway of saying what has already been said better by someone else.

CASE ON J REGGIE

When you look back now at the people who were trying to lynch J Reggie on D1 and almost succeeded, they are a mix of confirmed town players and very towny players. The unknowns of D3 (today) are noticeably absent. That means that if J Reggie were town, he would have had mostly town players on him and been at L-1 where scum could have easily hammered him. Instead, most of the unknowns on D1 were on Mail-mi's wagon at the end of day.

You also have to understand that from my perspective, this looks even more clear. I was on J Reggie's wagon and I know that I am town. So to me, the people who wanted J Reggie lynched were really ALL town whereas many of the people who wanted Mail-mi lynched were unknowns. For you, it may be slightly less clear than that, as I am able to ascribe a strong townread to you whereas you are not able to do so for me.

This is the best evidence I have ever found in mafia for one player being scum and one player being town. It's called wagon analysis. In this case, it appears that on D1 the mafia was protecting their partner J Reggie by voting for Mail-mi and trying to make his wagon look more appealing and easier to accomplish. I believe that wagon analysis and reads-based analysis is a better way to cast your vote than probability analysis in MOST cases.

At the beginning of D2 J Reggie was fortunate enough to have two strong players (Faust and WW) say "I think his wagon was probably also on a town" and therefore send us on a wild goose chase for some other player to lynch up until today. D2 J reggie kept a SUPER-SUPER low profile, and he did that also on D3 before Faust and I started throwing suspicion onto him again. I think several of his posts today have been scummy. In particular, suggesting that your behavior is scummy is super suspicious. You are obvious town. If you need even more evidence for me, I will go and start digging up his quotes and do my best to point out the scum motivation for them.

Anyway, now I'm all fired up. Let's go back to J Reggie

Vote: J Reggie
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« Reply #1183 on: October 02, 2016, 11:15:53 am »

Sorry if that is a condescending post but I found your insinuation that I am casting votes for no reason to be pretty damn insulting.
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« Reply #1184 on: October 02, 2016, 11:16:50 am »

Also, if you think I am scum, vote me for goodness sakes. You never know who you might get lynched!
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« Reply #1185 on: October 02, 2016, 11:25:24 am »

Well J Reggie is scum and I'm happy to switch back to him if you think Space is a bad call.
can you, like, make a case at all? your D3 reads more scummy to me than his but maybe i'm confusing scummy with trumpy

Faust made the case. I very much agree with it. Making the exact same case again is borderline pointless, but since you apparently think I'm scum casting votes for no reason, I'll give my best shot anyway of saying what has already been said better by someone else.

CASE ON J REGGIE

When you look back now at the people who were trying to lynch J Reggie on D1 and almost succeeded, they are a mix of confirmed town players and very towny players. The unknowns of D3 (today) are noticeably absent. That means that if J Reggie were town, he would have had mostly town players on him and been at L-1 where scum could have easily hammered him. Instead, most of the unknowns on D1 were on Mail-mi's wagon at the end of day.

You also have to understand that from my perspective, this looks even more clear. I was on J Reggie's wagon and I know that I am town. So to me, the people who wanted J Reggie lynched were really ALL town whereas many of the people who wanted Mail-mi lynched were unknowns. For you, it may be slightly less clear than that, as I am able to ascribe a strong townread to you whereas you are not able to do so for me.

This is the best evidence I have ever found in mafia for one player being scum and one player being town. It's called wagon analysis. In this case, it appears that on D1 the mafia was protecting their partner J Reggie by voting for Mail-mi and trying to make his wagon look more appealing and easier to accomplish. I believe that wagon analysis and reads-based analysis is a better way to cast your vote than probability analysis in MOST cases.

At the beginning of D2 J Reggie was fortunate enough to have two strong players (Faust and WW) say "I think his wagon was probably also on a town" and therefore send us on a wild goose chase for some other player to lynch up until today. D2 J reggie kept a SUPER-SUPER low profile, and he did that also on D3 before Faust and I started throwing suspicion onto him again. I think several of his posts today have been scummy. In particular, suggesting that your behavior is scummy is super suspicious. You are obvious town. If you need even more evidence for me, I will go and start digging up his quotes and do my best to point out the scum motivation for them.

Anyway, now I'm all fired up. Let's go back to J Reggie

Vote: J Reggie

IMO we have two scums here and can't decide which one to lynch. Ridiculous
Not ridiculous.
Yes they're probably both scum, but one of them is the strongman.
So it's better to kill the strongman first.

Absolutely impossible to figure out which one that is! It's a shot in the dark. This comment is totally irrelevant.

Guys. We are running from the one corner to another.
Let me put everything in a nutshell as I see it:
SpaceAnemone is scum.
JReggie is scum.
No way we can find a strongman.

Why do we go from one to another? We did'nt hear SA's claim yet (from times they was on L-1) and now we start to go to lynch JR. I have nothing against it but can we be more consistent? Or am I missing something?
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« Reply #1186 on: October 02, 2016, 11:35:08 am »

I will hammer either of them.
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« Reply #1187 on: October 02, 2016, 11:38:22 am »

I will hammer either of them.

me too. I just want to give word to SA because we all go to JR.
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« Reply #1188 on: October 02, 2016, 11:43:05 am »

I will hammer either of them.

me too. I just want to give word to SA because we all go to JR.

If by "we all" you mean "me" then I agree. Only one person switched. It's okay. He's still super pressured and he knows if J Reggie flips scum he's the default lynch for tomorrow. (J Reggie I'm sure knows he's the default lynch if Space flips scum too.)
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1189 on: October 02, 2016, 11:46:40 am »

Woah OK that's L-1. I really don't have the time right now, but hopefully tonight I can reread SA just to be sure if I want to hammer. I think they're probably our best shot. But a mislynch here takes us to lylo with three scum so we need to be careful.

At least SA has an infinitely higher chance at being scum than I do.
If you hammer tonight, I urge everyone to lynch you tomorrow.

Space-A needs at least time to claim.

You think Reggie is a better bet than Space?
Yes. Also, knowing Reggie's alignment will be a big help moving on I think.

I'll do Reggie if you prefer.

@igu I meant this too
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« Reply #1190 on: October 02, 2016, 11:46:58 am »

IMO we have two scums here and can't decide which one to lynch. Ridiculous
Not ridiculous.
Yes they're probably both scum, but one of them is the strongman.
So it's better to kill the strongman first.

Absolutely impossible to figure out which one that is! It's a shot in the dark. This comment is totally irrelevant.

Eh, Space being Strongman is more likely if they're both scum.  But I don't think that should be a huge factor.

Why is they?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1191 on: October 02, 2016, 11:52:03 am »

Also, @Schadd and @Joseph, if you are to pick up out of those two, who do you vote?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1192 on: October 02, 2016, 11:58:17 am »

Sorry if that is a condescending post but I found your insinuation that I am casting votes for no reason to be pretty damn insulting.
what? you are maybe in the wrong thread.
and also perhaps i might find it insulting that you think i've been ignoring the wagon analysis but you know. that's not what we do here.


the thing that i had been more concerned about is how you seem to have a sense of urgency, and, like, seeming incredibly confident about your reads. but i dunno.


anyway, vote: j reggie

i should probably be sheeping faust, since there's nothing he knows that i don't know except for whether i'm scum, and also because it's weak reads & inexperience v. experience and a pretty strong point of evidence.


the other thing is that igu is the only one that has really looked into j reggie since faust's post, especially considering how important wagon analysis supposedly is (and that s-a isn't supported by any, it would seem). i'm complicit in that but you know.


ppe: yea. i also think sa should still claim, maybe. but the only roles left seem to be doctor (which shouldn't claim) and maybe, like, cop or something
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« Reply #1193 on: October 02, 2016, 11:58:58 am »

i think that's l-2
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« Reply #1194 on: October 02, 2016, 11:59:54 am »

it is
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1195 on: October 02, 2016, 12:02:51 pm »

I'm with you, i just want to listen to Spaaaace first
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1196 on: October 02, 2016, 12:06:30 pm »


alright then. we have a few hours to kill, then

I'm out in London for the night and away from a computer till tomorrow night...
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« Reply #1197 on: October 02, 2016, 12:10:53 pm »

So what are we at now?  Looks like

SpaceAnemone (3): Witherweaver, gkrieg13, LaLight
gkrieg13 (1): Joseph2302
J Reggie (3): faust, Iguana,  schadd

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1198 on: October 02, 2016, 12:13:23 pm »

Hi all. Well, thanks for not killing me in my sleep I guess! I'm on the train home now, but it'll be close to 2pm forum time before I'm back near my computer, and I'd really like some reading time before anyone hammers... is that okay? Phone battery may not last the trip.
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« Reply #1199 on: October 02, 2016, 12:15:27 pm »

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« Reply #1200 on: October 02, 2016, 12:17:35 pm »

So what are we at now?  Looks like

SpaceAnemone (3): Witherweaver, gkrieg13, LaLight
gkrieg13 (1): Joseph2302
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« Reply #1201 on: October 02, 2016, 12:23:14 pm »

I think you should claim.

If faust says so then I will. Otherwise I'd really rather not say anything else that scum might somehow use against me to push through a hammer before I can even read things properly and post my own thoughts.

Or I'll claim now immediately if everyone else in the game can please ascribe lots of scum points to anyone joining my wagon between me claiming and being able to read and post properly? That way it doesn't look like I'm wanting thinking time about what I'm claiming. Does that work?
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« Reply #1202 on: October 02, 2016, 12:31:04 pm »

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1203 on: October 02, 2016, 12:48:53 pm »

Vote Count 3.4:

SpaceAnemone (3): Witherweaver, gkrieg13, LaLight
gkrieg13 (1): Joseph2302
J Reggie (3): faust, igu, schadd

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1204 on: October 02, 2016, 12:53:32 pm »

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« Reply #1205 on: October 02, 2016, 12:59:48 pm »

I think you should claim.

If faust says so then I will. Otherwise I'd really rather not say anything else that scum might somehow use against me to push through a hammer before I can even read things properly and post my own thoughts.

Or I'll claim now immediately if everyone else in the game can please ascribe lots of scum points to anyone joining my wagon between me claiming and being able to read and post properly? That way it doesn't look like I'm wanting thinking time about what I'm claiming. Does that work?

I think claim now.
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« Reply #1206 on: October 02, 2016, 01:20:00 pm »

Huh.. I'd put my phone away for a while after I'd seen the first response to my claiming question. Two more experienced people have now say to claim, so I guess I will. If I'm lynched before I later then be suspicious of them! Anyway, I'm VT... sorry if you'd hope for something more juicy to analyse :-(
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1207 on: October 02, 2016, 01:55:03 pm »

that's plenty  juicy.


oh also, yeah, it totally makes sense that they should claim now. if they're town, they shouldn't need time to think about it, etc.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1208 on: October 02, 2016, 02:43:06 pm »

If you are town then this lynch is your own fault. You should have been looking into the unknowns (Reggie, Joseph, Gkrieg, uh me) and trying to figure out which ones of them are most likely to be scum.

Owch! I did reads on Joseph at post #883 (where I said I'd vote for him if it came to it) and J Reggie at #905 (where I said I thought there must be better scum options out there for find), so it's not like I'm sitting here doing nothing!

Anyway, this post mainly to say I'm back at my computer and starting more new reads.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1209 on: October 02, 2016, 03:00:45 pm »

ii - why do you think if one of me or SpaceAnemone flips scum the other will be lynched?

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1210 on: October 02, 2016, 03:05:22 pm »

I mean if we lynch SpaceAnemone and they flip scum and then lynch me tomorrow it'll be lylo. If we lynch SpaceAnemone and they flip town and then lynch me tomorrow we lose. If we lynch me today I'd recommend not insta-lynching SpaceAnemone tomorrow because it'll be lylo.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1211 on: October 02, 2016, 03:33:14 pm »

WW re-read. This took a while, but I'm forming opinions about everyone else as I go.. I want to re-read all the non-IC people in the game tonight if I can fit it in!

Early D1: tangles with JR & LL.
#296: "If you're going to vote me because I'm sarcastic, you're gonna have a bad time." -- okay, so my early reads on him at #295 might just about be explained as him feeling pleased about being a town PR.
#324: "Actually, I don't think fluffy Faust is generally scummy Faust.  More the opposite." -- town points for this, given that faust has successfully come out as a Mason.
#420 Wants not to lynch faust, Iguana or schadd. He can't recall argument against JR at this point.
#428: "Why does very little content => mild town read?" -- good question in relations to Joseph's townread on me, and it was never addressed. My assumption is that his comma was logical conjunction rather than logical implication.
#480: "I'm happy lynching either Mail-Mi or J Reggie." -- well, we know at least one of those was a town!
#593: "I kind of don't think scum!Mail-Mi claims VT here." -- this is after being happy to lynch Mail-mi at #480, when in fact Mail-mi claimed VT back at #223. So that looks inconsistent/opportunistic now.
#598: "No, I think Mail-Mi in particular is someone that's more likely to claim a PR"
#601 Votes Mail-mi (L-1)
#704 Discourages me from thinking too much about the setup. I dislike this, since more evidence is good.
#761: "Anyone feel ... Vote: Iguana ?" That seemed a bit random, and doesn't go anywhere. LL already commented that it feels like scum trying to start a mislynch wagon.
#812: "I expected to find Space scummy, but didn't really when I reread.  Posts feel somewhat honest, not really constructed." -- worth remembering he then vigged me!
#1056: "Well I want  to lynch space more.. the old "if I flip town the guy that claimed against me isn't necessarily scum" thing is pretty classic scum." -- This in response to me pointing out that WW isn't even necessarily scum when I flip town. I still feel like it's valid to point it out because I can't exactly do so after I'm dead. You'll know I'm genuine by that point :-)
#1093: "Scum had choice between two mislynches around the end of yesterday, so I'm not really sure what information is in the treatment of those wagons." I'm leaning towards agreeing with this.
#1096: "I don't think Iguana is preferable to Space." I want to come back and verify this later when I've read Iguana again.

Overall I'm leaning on believing WW as a vig for now.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1212 on: October 02, 2016, 04:34:48 pm »

LaLight re-read. I think I have to apologetically retract my persistent townread on him :-(

#84: "I kinda don't like WW's play here. Too mysterious and strange. vote: WW" -- I agreed at this point.
Early game: lots of SK-hunting, even though there's not one in the set-up. Described elsewhere as a null thing.
#185: "I think town on mail-mi, he seems more reasonable than that time he was scum in Olympics." -- Disagree here, sicne Mail-mi's behaviour was one of the reasons I was so enthusiastic on his wagon. But a scum here would know that mail-mi was town...
#220 Intent to hammer. Would be bold as scum, as someone else pointed out later.
#231 Has to dig himself out of the mail-mi hammer threat by casting it as townie. Seems to be back to saying Mail-mi is a bit scummy, though.
#390 Bad stats argument for mail-mi being scum.
#398 Arguments against mail-mi are becoming a bit more tenuous. (Mail-mi thanking LL for a complement...)
#438 Townreads Silver, casting suspicion on Joseph for scumreading him.
#538 Uses mail-mi's reads to jump to faust.
#553 Jumps onto RR at Silver's suggestion.
#571 And then follows Silver onto JReggie.
#603 Intent to hammer Mail-mi.
Early D2: votes faust on the opening, and unvotes as soon as he comes out as Mason.
#660 Still looks like he's not read the set-up thoroughly.
#712 Pledges very easily on faust's thing. I feel like it's townier to want to do your own thinking.
#735 "vote: Joseph" -- this comes a few mins after Joseph re-posts his D1 reads for the second time in D2, but has no further accompanying reasoning from LaLight.
#767 Does a Joseph re-read, but there's very little commentary there, and no big conclusion.
#784: "Schadd townslips again and again" -- not really. And I'm still deeply suspicious that his first "townslip" was a set-up. I'm really suspicious of how LL and Joseph push the "schadd is townslipping argument" around here.
#845 Another intent to hammer, this time on WW. "He seems townie, but as I know his level, he can easily flip scum after all." -- faust unvotes, citing this as the "worst reason ever to vote for someone".
The wagon had been SpaceAnemone, Joseph2302, faust, schadd & Roadrunner7671 at the point LaLight signalled intent.
Also of note is that at this point, LL is voting Joseph, who may be a scumbuddy.
#907 Suddenly has been reading the setup and is out-setuping me! Also seems keen for a Joseph lynch.
#911 Townreads gkrieg, Iguana and RR in response to faust's request.
#926 Very brief response to iguana's case on him. I'm siding with Iguana now.
#927 The first half of this is over-explainng, and the second have is an emotional appeal that doesn't actually address Iguana's point that scum|LaLight would know everyone's alignment and have an easy time of faust's name-towny-people challenge.
#941 The defence of RR is good. Note this for 24 posts' time...
#943: "Man, I'm literally the only one pushing this game forward."
#965 And he puts RR at L-1 for the mislynch after all!
Start of D3 -- acting confused about lots of things, but no comment on the weird fact that nobody died in the night.
#994 Definitely engaging in the setup stuff now!
#1020 This post makes little sense. He seems to be accepting that WW is a vig, but still hypothesizeing that he could be a scum one (" Also, can we believe he really targeted SA? I think scum would kill faust."). He also points out it's likely that exactly one of us is scum, which I feel is a scum misdirection, because it's perfectly possible for WW to be vig, and I'm definitely town.
#1021 I'm still not really sure where he's trying to go with this.
#1063 Voting for me. Mistake, since usually I feel like he and I are on the same page in terms of expereince levels and understanding where the other is coming from, but clearly something's diverged now.
#1110: "vote: JReggie" Jumping around again.
#1145 And back to voting for me.
#1170 "IMO we have two scums here and can't decide which one to lynch. Ridiculous" And wrong. There's a strong possibility it's two towns, and some very smug-feeling scums off in the background somewhere.
#1191: "Also, @Schadd and @Joseph, if you are to pick up out of those two, who do you vote?" -- I'm leaning towards a LaLight, Schadd & Joseph scumteam, though if so then this is quite brave.

I need to re-read all the others, and look at interactions, but I think there might well be something here.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1213 on: October 02, 2016, 05:01:10 pm »

It's not that strong of a possibility that both you and J Reggie are both town.

The intents to hammers are more town evidence than not, I think.  Well, depending on how they sounded.. I don't really remember.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #1214 on: October 02, 2016, 05:03:00 pm »

agreed. Intent to hammer

This in particular is a little bold for scum, especially new.  You'd usually see more pretense of pondering, i.e., explanations and such.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #1215 on: October 02, 2016, 05:05:42 pm »

well, as I said before I'm quite comfortable with mail-mi lynch. Same with JReggie. Intent to hammer

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1216 on: October 02, 2016, 05:20:14 pm »


I mean if we lynch SpaceAnemone and they flip scum and then lynch me tomorrow it'll be lylo. If we lynch SpaceAnemone and they flip town and then lynch me tomorrow we lose. If we lynch me today I'd recommend not insta-lynching SpaceAnemone tomorrow because it'll be lylo.
argh, you keep doing that. you are currently trying to argue that you're town, so don't use the implications of you being town as evidence for you being town.

#784: "Schadd townslips again and again" -- not really. And I'm still deeply suspicious that his first "townslip" was a set-up. I'm really suspicious of how LL and Joseph push the "schadd is townslipping argument" around here.
i get how the first one (wherein i thought two people were supposed to die each night) might seem suspicious, given that it's kind of a weird assumption. however, this was the first mafia game that i watched, and as you can see, two people died each night (i linked it at the end of the first night.)
  and as far as making up words (such as townslip), seriously read schadnd. if you want, i can compile a list of the, like, 50 words that i made up.
  i do think that it's a bit odd that joseph pointed them out in a positive light, though, uh three times. we're not masons but uh you knew that already.


#1191: "Also, @Schadd and @Joseph, if you are to pick up out of those two, who do you vote?" -- I'm leaning towards a LaLight, Schadd & Joseph scumteam, though if so then this is quite brave.
well, we were the two people that were neither voting for one of the main wagons nor the target of them at the time.


agree that lalight townreading rr but then shortly after putting him to l-1 seems pretty sus. he has seemed hasty and indecisive the whole time, but i'm not sure if that comes from being used to irl mafia.


It's not that strong of a possibility that both you and J Reggie are both town.
how are they conditional? a few people have been seemingly making that assumption
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1217 on: October 02, 2016, 05:38:38 pm »

Here's a different theory for why faust survived the night. Obviously the people scumreading me already will think I'm clutching at straws, but here it is recorded for posterity in case anyone starts re-evaluating their positions later.

Faust is IC. But what if his scumreads are so far off that he's essentially townreading exactly the scumteam. Would that be enough for them to decide to risk waiting another day with a no-kill to confuse things and try to grab some town points as doctors or RBs? It gives them bonus points if they manage to out the town PRs at the same time, and we don't know enough about the game set-up to be sure how many PRs we even expect there to be.

WW coming straight out in D2 claiming vig would have thrown a minor spanner in the works, though, because more of them would have to claim in order to soak up the hits, throwing their plan out a bit. I'm not actually sure whether or not scum gets to know the exact town PRs in the game (i.e. did they even know there was a vig already), but if I ask that now, everyone will just assume it's a desperate grab for town points.

I think schadd coming out as a doctor who protected faust is a case of that. Nobody other than me is particularly scumreading him, and lots of people are scumreading me, so he's a safe "IC" to make. The fact that he's still claiming in his most recent post to have coined the term "townslip", rather than just to have heard it in the scum QT, makes me more uncomfortable.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1218 on: October 02, 2016, 06:11:14 pm »

The fact that he's still claiming in his most recent post to have coined the term "townslip", rather than just to have heard it in the scum QT, makes me more uncomfortable.
so, would it make you more comfortable if i told you that i heard it in the scum qt? or, rather, if i changed my answer, would it be ok?
  what can i say. it's really not a hard thing to come up with. "scumslip" had already appeared twice (here, here) and it's intuitive what it means; something slips out that indicates that you're scum. townslip is an obvious translation of that concept, and well, somebody came up with it the first time.
  again, if you don't think i'm capable of that sort of ingenuity, read schadnd. or any of my other posts on the forum, wherein you will find that it's exactly how my brain works. this one, for example, where i hear something that sounds like song lyrics. and i don't even like that song.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1219 on: October 02, 2016, 06:16:13 pm »

So what are we at now?  Looks like

SpaceAnemone (3): Witherweaver, gkrieg13, LaLight
gkrieg13 (1): Joseph2302
J Reggie (3): faust, Iguana,  schadd

Not Voting (2): SpaceAnemone, J Reggie,


Why is Joseph voting for Gkrieg?

Ftfy

I don't remember either
Residual remains of my D2 theory that one of WW or gkrieg was scum.

Will need to catch up tomorrow, lots of things have been going on.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1220 on: October 02, 2016, 06:18:45 pm »

Where did that theory come from?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1221 on: October 02, 2016, 06:30:42 pm »

Gkrieg re-read. I haven't paid enough attention to him all game, though I think he's pretty convinced against me, so let's try to avoid omgus here...


#48: "vote: WW vote: JReggie. it was clearly on purpose." (it being the lack of whitespace J Reggie used).
#66: "Uh so I was kind of hoping to actually draw mason this game.  But that would probably result in an auto loss for us."
#181 On scum trying to out town PRs in D1: "Maybe this is true for most scum, but is it true of WW?"
#214: "vote: mail-mi. L-1!"
#217&#219: "That wasn't the reaction I was expected", "Well I expect d his reaction to not be as calm for one."
#225: "Well because he is at L-1. Usually people are mad when they are put to L-1 with intent so quickly"
#240: "I think LaLight looks pretty townie from that. He just looks like newb!town."
#247: "Ya I don't really follow this reasoning. And coming from Faust it just seems off." Shade on faust, who's now a known IC. Clarifies a bit for Silver that he doesn't like the reasoning that people only don't sheep faust when he's on scum. Kind of null on gkrieg for this exchange, I guess.
#282: "Sorry this game is being put on the back burner for a couple of days.  Will do rereads in another day or so." This was when all the stress was happening at the end of BSG, I think, and I had sympathy with it.
#318: "vote: faust"
#343: "I just don't think Joseph is scummy, and the way you tried to get the wagon going is scummy.  The idea that people not sheeping you means someone is scum is just so wrong." I think this is in response to faust asking about the Joseph wagon thing.
#364 Admits to impatient!iguana that he hasn't been very active so far in this game.
#367: "I think my position on Joseph and my putting mail-mi at L-1 were townie" -- is this just because everyone thinks Joseph is an easy mislynch?
#468 Still thinks faust is the scummiest person, but moves relictantly to the mail-mi mislynch. Hmm...
#470 "It doesn't seem like there are enough people onboard to lynch Faust, so mail-mi is better than J Reggie"
#492 Still disagreeing with Silver, who's clearly backing faust up. Interestingly insists that Joseph is "soooooooo town!"
#493 Insists J Reggie has been present and noticeable.
#581 Intent to hammer J Reggie.
#668: "Good thing Faust is IC now. Now I don't have to reread him."
#714: "Don't we still have plurality lynch?  I would definitely do this once we don't have plurality lynch. Not so sure before then" -- I think this is townie, though I don't really see how much of a difference the plurality lynch aspect makes to the overall result.
#728 Good logic, and major townpoints from me here.
#731 And again, yes, we should be re-reading and stuff.
#751 Says Joseph seems more scummy in D2 and backs it up with an example.
#756 Votes Joseph.
#759 More defence of his Joseph vote. I feel like he believes in it.
#793 Picking at Joseph more. I agree it's not a good defence, particularly as Joseph felt the need to point out his terrible reads list twice...
#794 Townreads schadd with quite a bit of consideration. This sort of thing is why my feeling that schadd is scum probably won't convince many people, but I also think gkreig's logic is reasonable too.
#796 Wagon analysis to say that at least on of WW, Joseph, me and J Reggie is almost certianly scum. Seems legit.
#815 Says I sound similar to desperate town!me in BSG. Gee, I wonder why! :-P
#827 Read on me. "Overall none of their posts give me huge TOWN signs.  No flashing lights.  Definitely on my would-lynch list with Joseph." Could have been worse, I guess.
#843 Good read on WW putting him at null from read and town from gut.
#885: "RR is high on my scum list for people that were off wagon. Lots of nothing even for RR"
#897 Votes RR, even though he says Joseph would be better.
#910 Top town reads are schadd, LaLight, & iguana, in response to faust's request.
#945 Explains his townread on LaLight. I fear he may be underestimating the intervening experience LL's been getting by playing in a lot of games.
#952: "Agreed.  I'm also always up to lynch Joseph's partner SA first." I don't like this because the only time I've been lynched so far was a mislynch by gkrieg, so I think I'm easily mislynched too.. like 100% of the time!
#1008 Votes me, and also says he's not a RB. Not quite sure where the second part of that was meant to be heading.
#1051: "I still think SA is the highest on my lynch list today.  WW's results only cement that in my mind, especially considering we may very well have enough letters for scum to be bulletproof."
#1076 Undoing Joseph's bad setup logic. This is good.
#1102 "In my eyes, iguana and faust and schadd are townie.  Then order of scumminess is SA>Joseph>J Reggie>LaLight>WW" Okat, so I like that Joseph and LaLight are relatively high on this list. If they end up getting lynched and flipping town, then please someone check out schadd as the third one? I expect someone to have killed me off by then :-P

Yeah, in summary, I'm thinking Gkreig is solidly town, though obviously kind of misguided by the fact he gets a scummy vibe off town!me. I don't expect to change his mind on that, but at least if I go before the end of the game, I don't get into the stressful position of trying to persuade him I'm town when there are so few people left, like in BSG. That wasn't fun :-(


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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1222 on: October 02, 2016, 06:32:50 pm »

PPE: 8 or more things... will catch up in a moment!

Huh.. or not. Seems like I'm reading the game in too many tabs at once.

Not sure I have time to read more than one more person tonight, though :-(
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1223 on: October 02, 2016, 06:59:51 pm »

Okay, this needs to be my last post before bed, because it's almost midnight.

Vote: LaLight

I know a vote for JR would be more likely to save me in the short term, but I'm still townreading him (though I did the re-read quickly and without making lists of comments, so I can't post it), so I don't want to do that on principle.

I'd also be happy going for a Joseph vote, though I'd better do another re-read on him first before fully committing to that. The two people I really haven't done a proper job on are Iguana and Schadd, so I'll have to get to them tomorrow night, assuming there hasn't been a lynch by that point.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1224 on: October 03, 2016, 03:52:59 am »

k
do you disagree that ww might fakeclaim, then?
I don't really believe it, because:
- the breadcrumb
- scum!WW would not say "I just shot whoever faust thought is scum"
- in your scenario (MCETTT), 1-shot Vig is counterclaimable. That's a dangerous road for scum.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1225 on: October 03, 2016, 03:59:24 am »

Faust is IC. But what if his scumreads are so far off that he's essentially townreading exactly the scumteam. Would that be enough for them to decide to risk waiting another day with a no-kill to confuse things and try to grab some town points as doctors or RBs? It gives them bonus points if they manage to out the town PRs at the same time, and we don't know enough about the game set-up to be sure how many PRs we even expect there to be.
Giving town another lynch isn't worth any of that. No kill is never an option that scum actually chooses.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1226 on: October 03, 2016, 04:58:21 am »

Where did that theory come from?
Can't exactly remember.
Also, WW is town now
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1227 on: October 03, 2016, 05:26:17 am »

Faust is IC. But what if his scumreads are so far off that he's essentially townreading exactly the scumteam. Would that be enough for them to decide to risk waiting another day with a no-kill to confuse things and try to grab some town points as doctors or RBs? It gives them bonus points if they manage to out the town PRs at the same time, and we don't know enough about the game set-up to be sure how many PRs we even expect there to be.
Giving town another lynch isn't worth any of that. No kill is never an option that scum actually chooses.
Agreed.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1228 on: October 03, 2016, 05:29:09 am »

well.

Based on rereads of SA I can see myself that my original problem that makes me scummy in SA's eyes is that I'm revoting often. Also I can say that one is townie and in the next post can say he's scummy. There is an explanation, believe it or not. I dunno how it works with you guys, but looking at one post of someone imagining they're scum, I see them scummy. Looking at the same post imagining they're town, I see them townie.

So how it works for me, let me be clear. I read posts of someone without bias. Then, I listen to my guts and try to put all the posts I just read in the one basket and look is it more black or white. Then I decide that it is more black-ish and reread posts from that side. I get more proof of scumminess and I vote.

In a nutshell: I have a problem with analysing posts. I go from my feelings of a person. I say someone is town means I fell like this. This is all. All the SA's reread is made from the point I'm scum. But reread it thinking I'm town and you'll see it makes more sense.

Also there are players who generally look like scum in every game they play. Joseph, mail-mi I suppose. When I write a post I have two major points:

1) I want to find a scum really hard.
a) By putting someone into conversation with me
b) By making someone write more, so my "basket" would be more full and precise

2) I want not to get mislynched
a) By answering accusations
b) By trying to prevent other players to look at me so they can look to people who are not definitely town as I know I am.

This is some general about my play.

Also there is a problem about forum mafia. I am used to quick real-life mafia which is fast and you need to think fast and listen and remember everything someone said or did (looked to someone, agree with someone, etc.) to see the links from one person to another.
Here it is completely different. Some time I won't be a newbie any more and I will make everything easier in my mind.

General meta-post. I'm town. SA, believe me please and let's find real scum.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1229 on: October 03, 2016, 05:33:26 am »

I read posts of someone without bias.
Lynch all liars!
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1230 on: October 03, 2016, 05:39:06 am »

I read posts of someone without bias.
Lynch all liars!

I meant my very first read of someone. I can't have any bias at that point.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1231 on: October 03, 2016, 10:19:56 am »

I've done some light reading (still V/LA) and my reads haven't changed. I'll hammer the first of them to get to L-1
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1232 on: October 03, 2016, 10:33:10 am »

I've done some light reading (still V/LA) and my reads haven't changed. I'll hammer the first of them to get to L-1
Usually I'd say this is scummy, but since I'm sure they're both scum, it's probably fine
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1233 on: October 03, 2016, 10:36:06 am »

I've done some light reading (still V/LA) and my reads haven't changed. I'll hammer the first of them to get to L-1
Usually I'd say this is scummy, but since I'm sure they're both scum, it's probably fine

Why aren't you voting for them then? I think _this_ is scummy
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1234 on: October 03, 2016, 10:38:58 am »

I've done some light reading (still V/LA) and my reads haven't changed. I'll hammer the first of them to get to L-1
Usually I'd say this is scummy, but since I'm sure they're both scum, it's probably fine

Why aren't you voting for them then? I think _this_ is scummy
Because I'm at work.
And I'm rereading properly later, and will choose then.

Also, no need to rush, we've got like 5 days
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1235 on: October 03, 2016, 10:39:51 am »

In the meantime, Vote: LaLight for thinking I'm scummy.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1236 on: October 03, 2016, 10:56:42 am »

In the meantime, Vote: LaLight for thinking I'm scummy.

So who's more likely to be scum between Reggie and Space?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1237 on: October 03, 2016, 03:59:35 pm »

Wow, you lot are quiet tonight.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1238 on: October 03, 2016, 04:07:53 pm »

I've done some light reading (still V/LA) and my reads haven't changed. I'll hammer the first of them to get to L-1
Usually I'd say this is scummy, but since I'm sure they're both scum, it's probably fine

The only way you can be sure they are scum is if they are your two scum partners.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1239 on: October 03, 2016, 04:08:13 pm »

And that is my full contribution to the day. I've already made my cases.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1240 on: October 03, 2016, 04:39:35 pm »

Some observations:

Here's a different theory for why faust survived the night. Obviously the people scumreading me already will think I'm clutching at straws, but here it is recorded for posterity in case anyone starts re-evaluating their positions later.

Faust is IC. But what if his scumreads are so far off that he's essentially townreading exactly the scumteam. Would that be enough for them to decide to risk waiting another day with a no-kill to confuse things and try to grab some town points as doctors or RBs? It gives them bonus points if they manage to out the town PRs at the same time, and we don't know enough about the game set-up to be sure how many PRs we even expect there to be.

WW coming straight out in D2 claiming vig would have thrown a minor spanner in the works, though, because more of them would have to claim in order to soak up the hits, throwing their plan out a bit. I'm not actually sure whether or not scum gets to know the exact town PRs in the game (i.e. did they even know there was a vig already), but if I ask that now, everyone will just assume it's a desperate grab for town points.

I think schadd coming out as a doctor who protected faust is a case of that. Nobody other than me is particularly scumreading him, and lots of people are scumreading me, so he's a safe "IC" to make. The fact that he's still claiming in his most recent post to have coined the term "townslip", rather than just to have heard it in the scum QT, makes me more uncomfortable.

So you think scum no killed and schadd is scum?
That seems like utter nonsense to me.

#784: "Schadd townslips again and again" -- not really. And I'm still deeply suspicious that his first "townslip" was a set-up. I'm really suspicious of how LL and Joseph push the "schadd is townslipping argument" around here.
No just no.
It makes a lot of sense that he's new and asking questions in a bumbling way.
Much more sense than he's scum, who's been coached to do this.
Also, disagree with your assertion that LaLight isn't towny.

I mean if we lynch SpaceAnemone and they flip scum and then lynch me tomorrow it'll be lylo. If we lynch SpaceAnemone and they flip town and then lynch me tomorrow we lose. If we lynch me today I'd recommend not insta-lynching SpaceAnemone tomorrow because it'll be lylo.
Buddying much? "Don't lynch me, but if you do, then definitely don't link SA"

I think you should claim.

If faust says so then I will. Otherwise I'd really rather not say anything else that scum might somehow use against me to push through a hammer before I can even read things properly and post my own thoughts.

Or I'll claim now immediately if everyone else in the game can please ascribe lots of scum points to anyone joining my wagon between me claiming and being able to read and post properly? That way it doesn't look like I'm wanting thinking time about what I'm claiming. Does that work?
This claim still hasn't happened.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1241 on: October 03, 2016, 04:42:06 pm »


Also, disagree with your assertion that LaLight isn't towny.


What? You are voting LaLight.

Quote
This claim still hasn't happened.

He claimed VT.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1242 on: October 03, 2016, 04:42:58 pm »


Also, disagree with your assertion that LaLight isn't towny.


What? You are voting LaLight.

Quote
This claim still hasn't happened.

He claimed VT.

You just wrote everything I wanted to write.

Except, I'd add some "?"'s
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1243 on: October 03, 2016, 04:43:56 pm »

In conclusion, I think that both JReggie and Space are scum, the JReggie post seems like obvious buddying to me.

I think Space looks worst, and he hasn't bothered to claim, so I'm going to vote for him. This will be L-1, but gkrieg has already said he's hammer either on L-1.

So, Vote: Space

L-1
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1244 on: October 03, 2016, 04:45:29 pm »

In conclusion, I think that both JReggie and Space are scum, the JReggie post seems like obvious buddying to me.

I think Space looks worst, and he hasn't bothered to claim, so I'm going to vote for him. This will be L-1, but gkrieg has already said he's hammer either on L-1.

So, Vote: Space

L-1

Are you ignoring their claim on purpose?! THEY CLAIMED VT
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1245 on: October 03, 2016, 04:45:48 pm »

Huh.. I'd put my phone away for a while after I'd seen the first response to my claiming question. Two more experienced people have now say to claim, so I guess I will. If I'm lynched before I later then be suspicious of them! Anyway, I'm VT... sorry if you'd hope for something more juicy to analyse :-(
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1246 on: October 03, 2016, 04:46:11 pm »

PPE: 2 on my last post.


Also, disagree with your assertion that LaLight isn't towny.


What? You are voting LaLight.

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This claim still hasn't happened.

He claimed VT.
Okay, so he claimed VT, the safest claim for scum right now?
And as for still voting LaLight, I wanted the evidence and the vote itself in 2 different posts, just got PPE'd by ii and LaLight's posts.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1247 on: October 03, 2016, 04:50:49 pm »

Everyone happy now?

The L-1 makes sense, and I acknowledge his claim.
Man these edit conflicts caused a hell of a lot of confusion.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1248 on: October 03, 2016, 04:53:19 pm »

Joseph: SA is not a he. Use they or she instead.

Also I think I'm already on SA so no hammer from me.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1249 on: October 03, 2016, 04:54:48 pm »

Alright, let's end this derptastic day.

Vote: SpaceAnemone
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1250 on: October 03, 2016, 04:57:56 pm »

That's hammer?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1251 on: October 03, 2016, 04:58:44 pm »



at your service.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1252 on: October 03, 2016, 04:58:55 pm »

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1253 on: October 03, 2016, 05:09:01 pm »

Oh Crap! Guys, you idiots!
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1254 on: October 03, 2016, 05:09:55 pm »

Here's all the rest of the re-reads I've been working on this evening... wasn't keeping up in real time because I was too busy reading and copy-pasting :-(

Schadd re-read
Only 96 posts overall, which fewer than the people I've done re-reads on lately, though probably more than me still.

Opens by voting faust, and then has a weird mafia-school thing going on with him. Null?
#103 Votes Mail-mi.
#113 Tells LL to go die in a fire. Rather less friendly than other people's treatment of him!!
Jokes with Iguana and J Reggie about flavour and claiming.
#164: "why does there want to be wagons? what is the consensus on lynching someone right out the gates all the way" -- newbie points?
#179: "i'm still on the boat of voting mail-mi. ... i kinda fancy myself not a dope"
#193 more joking with JR
#230 Votes LL. Also could be experimenting with WIFOM with his whole "scummy self" description.
#232 Unvotes after LL's very defencive explanation.
#262 Votes Joseph, in response to his vote on faust.
More joking about mafia school and RR saying things.
#359: "if not for fluff i probably wouldn't be saying much at all, because of the not knowing things and stuff." -- yup, he's quite fluffy.
#441 Votes JR.
#442: "oh also tell me when i have habits that are generally agreed upon to not be helpful for the townsfolk" -- this didn't go down well with Silver!
#500 Agrees with Iguana on JR; town-reads Mail-mi, sort of.
#502 Catches JR out on saying he'd been first on the Mail-mi lynch. Hmm, maybe townpoints for that?
#511 Admits to sheeping Iguana a bit.
#672 Fishing for Mason QT info and also thinking that two people should have died in the night. Odd post.
#677: "i am glad that you answered but you should've waited so that someone else could say "no, we can only kill one person a night"" -- This looks like a set-up maybe, though I guess it depends how hard you're already squinting at Joseph and schadd.
#683: "i'm also incidentally pretty suspicious of me." -- fishing for responses?
#685: "whoops! townslip" -- I don't like this! Also, it's in response to a comment from Joseph, and I think the two of them could have a coaching/set-up thing going on behind the scenes.
#698 "that is a term that i came up with while pooping. is it a real thing?" -- His response to me calling out the "townslip" thing. Dislike, and not just for fecal matter.
#739 Giant post for schadd. His scum-to-town list seems to be {WW, Iguana, RR}, {LL, Joseph}, {Gkrieg, me, JR}, himself and Faust. Silver & Mail-mi were dead by then. Votes RR.
#777 Extensive thinking about how a team of thre scums should operate. Might be handy to think about for newbie scums!
#781 Tries to explain to WW what he thinks the scum players were doing during Mail-mi's mislynch. Uses "~manipulated~" with flaily little arms...
#787 This is the part where Joseph and LaLight seem to be building up the "schadd townslipped" idea in everyone's mind, and he's joking about downplaying it while secretly playing along by drawing in more attention.
#790 .. and some more townpoint grabs.
#801 Cheers about gkrieg townreading him. Accidental tiny-text thing.
#892 Over-long explanation of an RR vote?
#912 Gives Gkrieg, me and LaLight as his top town reads, and also says that J Reggie is up there.
#1043 Comes out as "sophie the 1-shot doctor" who targeted faust last night. I wonder whether scums were given fake claims.
#1079 Another long post, trying to make a start at breaking down probabilities for various game states.
#1081 Counts of posts for each player. I look bad here, but he's not that much better, and I suspect more of his have been short pieces of fluff.
#1159 Longer setup analysis post. I should check through his maths, but I also don't think any issues in his reasoning there would be likely to be scumtells.
#1169 Hey, he's still townreading me, kind of. I definitely understand the temptation to look at the numbers rather than the social interactions :-) He bolds my word "lucky", though -- actually it's luckyfor town not to have a town player killed by a vig, so I think that should be a point in favour of me, not against!
#1163 Admits to being nervous and confused.
#1166 I agree that the gamestate analysis is actually useful at the moment, since a lot of people's scumreads are being informed by gut feelings about the probabilities of having certain roles in the game anyway. I think town points for schadd here actually.
#1192 Hey, is he actually defending me here a little? Hmm. Also good for suggesting care needs to be taken over what PRs claim.

Dammit.. not as much scum material to point at there as I'd expected really. But he's also hiding behind a lot of jokes and selfconsiousness.



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#30 RVS on schadd.
#74 Onto Faust, still RVSing.
#98: "LaLight seems just like town LaLight from the last game."
#102: "I'm just a town with some mildly funny flavor text actually."
#120: "Schadd is town."
#151 votes Joseph.
#154 votes faust (after J Reggie complains that a joseph wagon is too easy)
#204 votes Mail-mi once that wagon picks up (shortly after Silver).
#276: "Who's the scum in this one? I've been traveling so I haven't been able to keep up and looks like town is being lazy in my absence maybe." -- trying to push the game on, or just to look that way?
#307 Backs up faust's reasoning and seems sensible.
#309 Wants overanalyzing newbie me back :-P
#312 Says his QT has a funny joke in it.
#315 Warns newbies not to trifle with WW, dismissing my arguments on him.
#316 More game-pushing, scumreads LL, faust and me more than others. Votes faust. His reads aren't looking good here!
#323 Talking about his QT again.
#360 Getting quite forceful about some questions that weren't terribly obvious. Kind of attention-grabby and trying to look like he's pushing things along? Or maybe just actually pushing things along. It's hard to be sure!
#362 Asks gkrieg what he's up to and why he should be town.
#368 Says gkrieg is one of his stronger townreads.
#372/#373: "When everyone looks like town, probably Faust is scum."/"And probably silverspawn is his partner"
#375 townreads mail-mi.
#399 points out towny frame of mine from an LL quote.
#415 unvotes faust.
#417 Reads post: town on LL, Gkrieg & M-m, maybes on Faust, WW, SS & Schadd, leaving RR, Joseph, me and JR, so votes JR.
#418/#419/#422/496 Pushing JR for being extra-stally and having similar MO to Duel Mafia.
#525/528 Calls RR out for unvoting close to a deadline.
#557 D1 pass for RR.
#667: "Just kill me or lynch or whatever turns out I don't have time to deal with this level of nonsense." -- something odd happened.
#670#/671 Says he'll just sheep Faust (having noticed Silver's dead).
#706 Says he's VLA for the week.
#725 Says he can't tell us about his flavour text without claiming, in response to faust's probe.
#748 Votes joseph, seems happier.
#789 Towns from yesterday are still towns (LL & Gkrieg, presumably?), and Joseph is scummy.
#870: "LaLight is coming off scummy here" after intent to hammer on WW.
#916: "wtf I'm being townread?"
#924 Iguana has a scum!LL theory, which I agree with now, though probably didn't at the time it was posted.
#925: "My top towns would be Schadd > Gkrieg > SpaceA" -- hey, howcome I didn't notice he didn't hate me at this point? He also has "Scums seem to be LaLight, Joseph, WW.".
#935 stuff from abig post he lost somewhere. Gkrieg is his top town, but he missed him off the end town ranking, which is Faust > II > Schadd > Space, with null for JR & WW, and top scums are LL, Joseph and RR.
#936 votes LL.
#938-#940 Lots of questions on others' reads.
#942 Slightly ragey post asking where everyone is. Feels a little bit like it's too attention-seeking to be real (which is possibly how I read it at first), but I guess it's possible he's just genuine.
#951: "It just always scares me when the lynchpool is the two most commonly mislynched players : /" -- in response to a suggestion that Joseph might be a better choice, given how unimpressed he was with the idea of an RR wagon.
#957 Votes RR anyway, though!
#936 Some unfortunate wagon analysis making him believe in RR's wagon. I guess there's a good chance both wagons were town, though.
#1053 Pointing out he was faust's stop scumread at the ehnd of the preivous day.
#1059 Convinced WW is town.
#1099 Giving Schadd a game pass -- dislike! Townreading LL, too. I can see the logic through which he boils his scum choices down, but there's got to be a flaw in it somewhere if he's landing on me as scum. I still think Joseph, LL and Schadd is at least a possibility. Maybe sub JR in for Schadd or LL at a pinch.
#1101: "Can everyone read the like 6 short posts that J Reggie has made so far in D3 and tell me with a straight face that they are not super scummy?" -- it hadn't occurred to me previously that they sound anything other than confused, TBH.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1255 on: October 03, 2016, 05:11:15 pm »

I agree that Joseph's almost certainly scum.
I think LL probably is.
I don't know why Iguana makes so much of his QT text... he seems really towny to me, but that's bothering me.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1256 on: October 03, 2016, 05:17:12 pm »

I agree that Joseph's almost certainly scum.
I think LL probably is.
I don't know why Iguana makes so much of his QT text... he seems really towny to me, but that's bothering me.
So you're good?
Well that's confusing....
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1257 on: October 03, 2016, 05:17:57 pm »

Joseph: SA is not a he. Use they or she instead.
Noted.
I'm actually surprised I used he, as I usually use they.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1258 on: October 03, 2016, 05:19:09 pm »

Iguana re-read was meant to conclude that he seems like pretty strong town, and that I agree with a lot of what he was saying.

This is something approximating my last read order, from scum to town: Joseph, LaLight, Schadd, J Reggie, WW, Iguana, Gkgrieg, Faust.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1259 on: October 03, 2016, 05:20:19 pm »

This is kind of annoying.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1260 on: October 03, 2016, 05:20:58 pm »

I think one of Iguana or Gkrieg has to be.. probably Iguana.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1261 on: October 03, 2016, 05:22:01 pm »

This is kind of annoying.

Yes, for all towns, but for me especially! I finally cleared a couple of evenings to read things and spent ages trying to get my head around it all, and this happens :-(

Though you trying to vig me last night wasn't very town-friendly either...
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1262 on: October 03, 2016, 05:22:59 pm »

This is kind of annoying.

Yes, for all towns, but for me especially! I finally cleared a couple of evenings to read things and spent ages trying to get my head around it all, and this happens :-(

Though you trying to vig me last night wasn't very town-friendly either...

Hm, I think it was, actually.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1263 on: October 03, 2016, 05:26:36 pm »

Joseph: SA is not a he. Use they or she instead.
Noted.
I'm actually surprised I used he, as I usually use they.

You've actually said "he" more than any other player here, I think. But that has nothing to do with why I'm scum-reading you, honest!
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1264 on: October 03, 2016, 05:26:59 pm »

This is kind of annoying.

Yes, for all towns, but for me especially! I finally cleared a couple of evenings to read things and spent ages trying to get my head around it all, and this happens :-(

Though you trying to vig me last night wasn't very town-friendly either...

Hm, I think it was, actually.

Huh? How?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1265 on: October 03, 2016, 05:29:52 pm »

not a fan of that hammer. i mean, as the person sitting behind a computer, i am anxiously awaiting the end of this day, but as a (perfectly innocent, etc.) townie, that just doesn't seem wise. i guess at this point, sa gives us a lot of information by being dead. thanks for the big reread posts!
  things are not looking good for j reggie tomorrow, regardless.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1266 on: October 03, 2016, 05:31:04 pm »

This is kind of annoying.

Yes, for all towns, but for me especially! I finally cleared a couple of evenings to read things and spent ages trying to get my head around it all, and this happens :-(

Though you trying to vig me last night wasn't very town-friendly either...

Hm, I think it was, actually.

Huh? How?

I think I had to shoot last night regardless.  Even hitting town is more info.  If I hadn't of gotten blocked, we'd have your flip today to decide who to lynch.  Obviously hitting scum would be better.  Arguably J Reggie could have been  a better target (not knowing your alignment).
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1267 on: October 03, 2016, 05:31:16 pm »

er.. hadn't have.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1268 on: October 03, 2016, 05:33:36 pm »

  things are not looking good for j reggie tomorrow, regardless.

I think Joseph is so much scummier than J Reggie, but then I seem to have been blind to the JR argument all along and I suspect that lack of understanding has sort of contributed to my current death :-(
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1269 on: October 03, 2016, 05:34:37 pm »

k
do you disagree that ww might fakeclaim, then?
I don't really believe it, because:
- the breadcrumb
- scum!WW would not say "I just shot whoever faust thought is scum"
- in your scenario (MCETTT), 1-shot Vig is counterclaimable. That's a dangerous road for scum.
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-sure
-well, it was one of the three people you thought was scum. and it so happened that it was somebody that ww had a gripe with in the past. but, sure. i believe you.
-how is it counterclaimable? scum knows that there aren't any other PRs than mason, 1-shot cop, and whoever saved faust.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1270 on: October 03, 2016, 05:35:08 pm »

  things are not looking good for j reggie tomorrow, regardless.

I think Joseph is so much scummier than J Reggie, but then I seem to have been blind to the JR argument all along and I suspect that lack of understanding has sort of contributed to my current death :-(
most of it was in a wagon analysis faust did a couple days ago.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1271 on: October 03, 2016, 05:36:35 pm »

most of it was in a wagon analysis faust did a couple days ago.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1272 on: October 03, 2016, 05:38:16 pm »

Hey, also, using RR's "who" trick shows that iguana has been watching but not posting for a while...
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1273 on: October 03, 2016, 05:38:51 pm »

-well, it was one of the three people you thought was scum. and it so happened that it was somebody that ww had a gripe with in the past. but, sure. i believe you.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1274 on: October 03, 2016, 05:39:26 pm »

hi iguana! (sticks out tongue)
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1275 on: October 03, 2016, 05:40:26 pm »

Iguana, Reggie, Joseph?
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« Reply #1276 on: October 03, 2016, 05:40:40 pm »

Feels like the most likely.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1277 on: October 03, 2016, 05:41:45 pm »

Also, the RR lynch was ridiculous and terrible, and LL should definitely have known better. J Reggie did. Yes, that's reasons I can't say, but maybe JR will be able to bring it up soon.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1278 on: October 03, 2016, 05:42:01 pm »

Iguana, Reggie, Joseph?
sure. you are just a one-shot vig, right?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1279 on: October 03, 2016, 05:42:25 pm »

most of it was in a wagon analysis faust did a couple days ago.
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That post has holes. I always RVS Iguana.. he seemed like a safe and friendly reptile for a newbie player to RVS first time, and then there seemed no sense in breaking with tradition.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1280 on: October 03, 2016, 05:43:24 pm »

Also, the RR lynch was ridiculous and terrible, and LL should definitely have known better. J Reggie did. Yes, that's reasons I can't say, but maybe JR will be able to bring it up soon.

I knew the reasons. I followed them. Just then I thought that it can not cancel that he might be the scum, so I voted for him.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1281 on: October 03, 2016, 05:43:36 pm »

most of it was in a wagon analysis faust did a couple days ago.
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That post has holes. I always RVS Iguana.. he seemed like a safe and friendly reptile for a newbie player to RVS first time, and then there seemed no sense in breaking with tradition.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1282 on: October 03, 2016, 05:45:45 pm »

most of it was in a wagon analysis faust did a couple days ago.
here

That post has holes. I always RVS Iguana.. he seemed like a safe and friendly reptile for a newbie player to RVS first time, and then there seemed no sense in breaking with tradition.

Also, it's only three towns on JR if he's counting two of WW, Iguana and schadd as towns, and none of them is confirmed. It's bad logic!
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1283 on: October 03, 2016, 05:47:02 pm »

Waiting fir the flip on my phone while watching a movie with my wife?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1284 on: October 03, 2016, 05:51:29 pm »

Waiting fir the flip on my phone while watching a movie with my wife?

Totally scummy! :-P
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1285 on: October 03, 2016, 05:51:34 pm »


lol hi scum

Why are we not killing this guy?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1286 on: October 03, 2016, 05:52:25 pm »

Also, the RR lynch was ridiculous and terrible, and LL should definitely have known better. J Reggie did. Yes, that's reasons I can't say, but maybe JR will be able to bring it up soon.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1287 on: October 03, 2016, 05:54:48 pm »

Also, the RR lynch was ridiculous and terrible, and LL should definitely have known better. J Reggie did. Yes, that's reasons I can't say, but maybe JR will be able to bring it up soon.

That's a surprising attitude.  I actually thought RR would be scum.

Read other games more? That's about as much as I dare say, really :-(
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1288 on: October 03, 2016, 05:55:43 pm »

Waiting fir the flip on my phone while watching a movie with my wife?

Totally scummy! :-P

I don't know why. Scum doesn't need to see the flip, they already know the alignment.

Anyway, if you are telling the truth about being town, that sucks, and I'd love to talk to you about some things you do that get you lynched consistently after the game, because it is annoying to scum read you and then you flip town, especially when you keep trying so hard.

At this point, if we lose this game, I think that's okay. I'm getting a little weary of it.

The scum team is Gkrieg/Reggie/Joseph I guess. They're probably going to try to get me mislynched.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1289 on: October 03, 2016, 05:59:31 pm »

I'd love to talk to you about some things you do that get you lynched consistently after the game, because it is annoying to scum read you and then you flip town, especially when you keep trying so hard.

That'd be great! :-) Haddock went through the BSG with me in person, and I tried to take things he'd said on board, but I'm still learning...
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1290 on: October 03, 2016, 06:28:26 pm »

  things are not looking good for j reggie tomorrow, regardless.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1291 on: October 03, 2016, 06:31:31 pm »

No way SpaceAnemone posts these reads lists as scum. That means tomorrow is lylo. If there's any vig they should not shoot because that could lose us the game. I'll do my best to not lose us the game by getting lynched tomorrow, that's my part. Hopefully I can point you in the right direction in the process.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1292 on: October 03, 2016, 06:38:08 pm »

Day 3 Final Vote Count:

SpaceAnemone (5): Witherweaver, gkrieg13, LaLight, Joseph, iguanaiguana
J Reggie (2): faust, schadd
LaLight (1): SpaceAnemone

Not Voting (2): J Reggie

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1293 on: October 03, 2016, 06:39:42 pm »

SpaceAnemone has been lynched.  They was a Kodama, a Vanilla Townie!

Night 3 starts now and lasts 48 hours.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Night 3.
« Reply #1294 on: October 06, 2016, 04:19:41 am »

He just hung his large head in despair...

faust was killed during the night!  He was Totoro, a Mason!
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4
« Reply #1295 on: October 06, 2016, 04:20:54 am »

Vote Count 4.0:

Not Voting (7): WW, LaLight, gkrieg13, Joseph, J Reggie, schadd, iguanaiguana

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Day 4 ends on October 16 at 4:20 a.m.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1296 on: October 06, 2016, 04:30:17 am »

There's a surprise - IC is gone :(
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1297 on: October 06, 2016, 04:31:11 am »

I will not vote now not to summon quickhammer, but Joseph and JR are my top suspects. I will reread SA's reads on people.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1298 on: October 06, 2016, 06:15:36 am »

I will not vote now not to summon quickhammer, but Joseph and JR are my top suspects. I will reread SA's reads on people.
I think JReggie and Gkrieg.
There's 3 scum left, and one of them has to be a really experienced player
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1299 on: October 06, 2016, 06:16:50 am »

I will not vote now not to summon quickhammer, but Joseph and JR are my top suspects. I will reread SA's reads on people.
I think JReggie and Gkrieg.
There's 3 scum left, and one of them has to be a really experienced player

What about WW and II then?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1300 on: October 06, 2016, 06:58:08 am »

I will not vote now not to summon quickhammer, but Joseph and JR are my top suspects. I will reread SA's reads on people.
I think JReggie and Gkrieg.
There's 3 scum left, and one of them has to be a really experienced player

What about WW and II then?
Leaning towards town.
WW almost certainly town, as his claim makes no sense as scum.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1301 on: October 06, 2016, 08:08:15 am »

Any modification to your last reads list?

Well uh nothing much happened in between. If RR indeed flips scum, then that mostly reinforces my reads. Probably you will be townier for it.

And what do you think if he flips town?  Say, who are top scummy two or three.

Probably iguana, Space-A, you.
so, at the moment, we're assuming that ww shot sa and that scum roleblocked him—the 1-shot bulletproof explanation is out the window. and so i buy the fact that scum were able to figure out that he was a vig, from the thing at the beginning, asking faust for reads, and maybe getting a pr vibe from him otherwise, i dunno. but why would they bother blocking him if they didn't see a scum in faust's list?


and iguana was very much aware of where he was at the beginning of D3—it was the first thing that he mentioned in spite of the vig drama going on. isn't that odd? well, not really but still
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1302 on: October 06, 2016, 09:07:14 am »

oh also, rip faust. [toccata and fugue]
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1303 on: October 06, 2016, 09:07:46 am »



and iguana was very much aware of where he was at the beginning of D3—it was the first thing that he mentioned in spite of the vig drama going on. isn't that odd? well, not really but still

I thought WW's vig claim made things look worse for me, because it was eliminating him from the PoE.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1304 on: October 06, 2016, 09:08:38 am »

Welp, yall a bunch of crazies and I don't know what I think yet. It smells an awful lot like I'm getting mislynched today and that sucks.


These are my thoughts today too except I guess I am 90% sure J Reggie is scum and have reasonable hopes we'll make the correct choice and lynch him.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1305 on: October 06, 2016, 09:09:24 am »

I won't have time to do a proper reread or any cases until tomorrow.

It's LyLo. We need to mass claim.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1306 on: October 06, 2016, 09:10:42 am »

@igu you were 90% sure SA was scum. It can just be your plan and scum is you.

I'm /in for massclaim though.
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« Reply #1307 on: October 06, 2016, 09:16:35 am »

@igu you were 90% sure SA was scum. It can just be your plan and scum is you.

I'm /in for massclaim though.

I'm totally aware of that. I think today is most likely to be J Reggie vs. me. But obviously we need to do a mass claim first.

The order should be J Reggie > Iguana > Joseph > Gkrieg > LaLight.

Schadd and WW should not have anything more to claim I think.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1308 on: October 06, 2016, 09:26:54 am »

Schadd and WW should not have anything more to claim I think.
i chose not to save anyone last night
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1309 on: October 06, 2016, 09:41:00 am »

I've already claimed too. I'm going to try my best to defend myself today.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1310 on: October 06, 2016, 09:41:53 am »

anyone other than a doctor should definitely claim, but one might have said that yesterday. doctor is still under question; saying that you're a doctor and not lying pretty much exonerates ww, however, doctor is pretty good to have around in case we knock off the strongman. dunno if there is any other benefit to claiming it.


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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1311 on: October 06, 2016, 09:43:26 am »

I am Haku, from Spirited Away, for what it's worth.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1312 on: October 06, 2016, 09:44:42 am »

I've already claimed too. I'm going to try my best to defend myself today.
where is that?


I am Haku, from Spirited Away, for what it's worth.
yeah i was wondering actually
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« Reply #1313 on: October 06, 2016, 09:45:46 am »

I've already claimed too. I'm going to try my best to defend myself today.
where is that?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1314 on: October 06, 2016, 10:10:43 am »

I will not vote now not to summon quickhammer, but Joseph and JR are my top suspects. I will reread SA's reads on people.
I think JReggie and Gkrieg.
There's 3 scum left, and one of them has to be a really experienced player

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« Reply #1315 on: October 06, 2016, 10:13:24 am »

I will not vote now not to summon quickhammer, but Joseph and JR are my top suspects. I will reread SA's reads on people.
I think JReggie and Gkrieg.
There's 3 scum left, and one of them has to be a really experienced player

Why do you think that?

Also scum definitely has multiple shots of strongman.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1316 on: October 06, 2016, 10:13:40 am »

I will not vote now not to summon quickhammer, but Joseph and JR are my top suspects. I will reread SA's reads on people.
I think JReggie and Gkrieg.
There's 3 scum left, and one of them has to be a really experienced player

Why do you think that?

Also scum definitely has multiple shots of strongman.

Why?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1317 on: October 06, 2016, 10:15:09 am »

So we're massclaiming right?

I'm happy to claim now if people want.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1318 on: October 06, 2016, 10:20:44 am »

oif we stick to iguana's order list, that's iguana's turn.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1319 on: October 06, 2016, 10:30:21 am »

oif we stick to iguana's order list, that's iguana's turn.
Cool.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1320 on: October 06, 2016, 11:48:10 am »

I'm good for the massclaim, although it is very strange that iguana put himself second on the claiming list in order.  And why are we going by his list again?

Either way I don't think it will really make a difference anyway.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1321 on: October 06, 2016, 02:27:56 pm »

Sure, I'm a VT.

When I was talking about my flavor text earlier, it was just because it says something about how my special power is being able to think about what happened during the previous day each night.

I thought it was a funny joke, and I wanted to bring it up because I figured all the VTs have that flavor text, but maybe scum doesn't know that.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1322 on: October 06, 2016, 02:32:30 pm »

Also scum definitely has multiple shots of strongman.
uh or we don't have a doctor
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1323 on: October 06, 2016, 02:45:27 pm »

I'm going to fully reread before any voting.

Also this game sucks.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1324 on: October 06, 2016, 02:48:16 pm »

I'm going to fully reread before any voting.

Also this game sucks.

Why?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1325 on: October 06, 2016, 02:49:29 pm »

... because we haven't hit any scum.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1326 on: October 06, 2016, 02:50:50 pm »

... because we haven't hit any scum.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1327 on: October 06, 2016, 02:52:05 pm »

It's happened before. 

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1328 on: October 06, 2016, 04:50:02 pm »

I'm the doctor
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1329 on: October 06, 2016, 04:50:32 pm »

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1330 on: October 06, 2016, 04:50:57 pm »

I protected ss N1, faust N2 & 3.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1331 on: October 06, 2016, 04:51:28 pm »

Damn strongman/roleblocker
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1332 on: October 06, 2016, 04:51:43 pm »

Yes full doctor
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1333 on: October 06, 2016, 04:58:15 pm »

I protected ss N1, faust N2 & 3.

Why did you protect SS Night 1?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1334 on: October 06, 2016, 05:10:50 pm »

Hmmmm that's interesting.

I'm also a full doctor, and I protected ss N1, and faust on N2 and N3.

I'm trying to think of a situation where you aren't lying.  I guess if scum blocked me (or you) N1, WW N2, then me (or you) N3 and had strongman, it is possible that the kills ended up as they did.  Or I guess WW could also be lying.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1335 on: October 06, 2016, 05:11:40 pm »

And I'm VT.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1336 on: October 06, 2016, 05:12:51 pm »

Ok actually setup-wise, we are either DDDDMC(E) and WW is lying or Joseph is lying.  This definitely ICs schadd though
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1337 on: October 06, 2016, 05:17:24 pm »

so DDDDMC(E) or MDVC(E)D(E)?

Wait, I must be missing something.

M for faust and silver
C(E) for RR

V? for WW
D for gkrieg
D(E) for schadd

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1338 on: October 06, 2016, 05:23:35 pm »

so DDDDMC(E) or MDVC(E)D(E)?

Wait, I must be missing something.

M for faust and silver
C(E) for RR

V? for WW
D for gkrieg
D(E) for schadd

Is that all the claims that aren't VT?

You forgot Joseph actually
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1339 on: October 06, 2016, 05:24:44 pm »

Hmmmm that's interesting.

I'm also a full doctor, and I protected ss N1, and faust on N2 and N3.

I'm trying to think of a situation where you aren't lying.  I guess if scum blocked me (or you) N1, WW N2, then me (or you) N3 and had strongman, it is possible that the kills ended up as they did.  Or I guess WW could also be lying.

Why did you protect SS night 1?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1340 on: October 06, 2016, 05:26:14 pm »

Hmmmm that's interesting.

I'm also a full doctor, and I protected ss N1, and faust on N2 and N3.

I'm trying to think of a situation where you aren't lying.  I guess if scum blocked me (or you) N1, WW N2, then me (or you) N3 and had strongman, it is possible that the kills ended up as they did.  Or I guess WW could also be lying.

Why did you protect SS night 1?

Mainly because he said that he would be killed, which I thought he was a good chance of being the NK because of WIFOM. 
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1341 on: October 06, 2016, 05:27:20 pm »

Pretty sure one of Gkrieg or Joseph is lying. (Possibly Schaad but I doubt it)

We have

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1342 on: October 06, 2016, 05:29:40 pm »

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1343 on: October 06, 2016, 05:33:52 pm »

Pretty sure one of Gkrieg or Joseph is lying. (Possibly Schaad but I doubt it)

We have

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with four letters.

Exactly, so I know that either you or Joseph is lying.  If you are lying, then schadd could also be lying, because then we would still have enough doctors to protect from the strongman.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1344 on: October 06, 2016, 05:34:31 pm »

Pretty sure one of Gkrieg or Joseph is lying. (Possibly Schaad but I doubt it)

We have

M
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with four letters.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1345 on: October 06, 2016, 05:36:39 pm »

Pretty sure one of Gkrieg or Joseph is lying. (Possibly Schaad but I doubt it)

We have

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1-Shot Doctor
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1346 on: October 06, 2016, 05:36:57 pm »

I protected ss N1, faust N2 & 3.

Why did you protect SS Night 1?

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Because obvious scum kills are the experienced players.
And faust at the time had suspicion on him, so didn't think scum would kill him.
Ss seemed towny, so scum might well kill him.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1347 on: October 06, 2016, 05:39:36 pm »

Can someone correct me if I'm wrong?  No combination of E, C, D's with four letters can give two Doctors, one 1-shot doctor, and one 1-shot Cop, right?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1348 on: October 06, 2016, 05:40:22 pm »

Did anyone not claim?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1349 on: October 06, 2016, 05:42:57 pm »

Can someone correct me if I'm wrong?  No combination of E, C, D's with four letters can give two Doctors, one 1-shot doctor, and one 1-shot Cop, right?
Needs 5 letters.
EDDDD or CDDDD
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1350 on: October 06, 2016, 05:43:25 pm »

So, gkrieg is bad then (from my perspective)
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1351 on: October 06, 2016, 05:44:07 pm »

So, gkrieg is bad then (from my perspective)

Or WW
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1352 on: October 06, 2016, 05:44:35 pm »

Can someone correct me if I'm wrong?  No combination of E, C, D's with four letters can give two Doctors, one 1-shot doctor, and one 1-shot Cop, right?
Needs 5 letters.
EDDDD or CDDDD

Well, or EEEEE = Doctor OR Cop x2; 1 -Shot Doctor OR 1-Shot Cop.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1353 on: October 06, 2016, 05:45:14 pm »

Man why wouldn't RR use his shot Night 1 :(
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1354 on: October 06, 2016, 05:45:32 pm »

Pretty sure one of Gkrieg or Joseph is lying. (Possibly Schaad but I doubt it)

We have

M
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and have to fill

1-Shot Cop
1-Shot Doctor
Doctor
Doctor

with four letters.

But from your point of view, schadd can't be lying, unless scum decided not to use strongman, or didn't kill N2

Are you sure? M V D E E E gives 2 Doctors, 1 1-shot Cop

Oh I hadn't looked at the E's.  Didn't realize they scale differently from doctor
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1355 on: October 06, 2016, 05:46:13 pm »

I would say the liar is the one that claimed to protect SS, but you're both claiming that.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1356 on: October 06, 2016, 05:48:18 pm »

So one of Joseph, schadd, WW must be lying

I'll reread them all before I vote. 

I guess it would also be good to look at how many of the three must be lying/could be lying, because if it is just one, then we have a good chance of hitting in the VTs instead of going for the PRs.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1357 on: October 06, 2016, 05:49:33 pm »

I mean we can write out all the possibilities with four letters, but uh I don't want to.

EEEE doesn't work.
EEE (D/C) doesn't work
EE(...) doesn't give enough Doctors
E(...) doesn't give enough Doctors either

and D's and C's don't give enough.   


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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1358 on: October 06, 2016, 05:51:03 pm »

wait, one of gkrieg or Joseph has to be lying, right? because they both claimed to protect SS N1.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1359 on: October 06, 2016, 05:52:23 pm »

wait, one of gkrieg or Joseph has to be lying, right? because they both claimed to protect SS N1.
Roleblocker, could have been roleblocked. Although seems likely that one (gkrieg) is lying
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1360 on: October 06, 2016, 05:54:36 pm »

So I guess we don't even have to have 2 doctors, because scum could've just forgotten to kill.  So any number of PRs could be lying.  Really it could be a Joseph, WW, schadd team
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1361 on: October 06, 2016, 05:55:56 pm »

wait, one of gkrieg or Joseph has to be lying, right? because they both claimed to protect SS N1.

This is true if they didn't have a RB and strongman.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1362 on: October 06, 2016, 05:57:00 pm »

Oh, I forgot about RB.  Nevermind.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1363 on: October 06, 2016, 05:58:15 pm »

wait, one of gkrieg or Joseph has to be lying, right? because they both claimed to protect SS N1.
Roleblocker, could have been roleblocked. Although seems likely that one (gkrieg) is lying

Why is me lying more probable than WW lying in your eyes?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1364 on: October 06, 2016, 06:13:18 pm »

wait, one of gkrieg or Joseph has to be lying, right? because they both claimed to protect SS N1.
Roleblocker, could have been roleblocked. Although seems likely that one (gkrieg) is lying

Why is me lying more probable than WW lying in your eyes?
Your claim seems weird, since it's the same as mine.

I'll consider it properly tomorrow, or maybe Saturday.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1365 on: October 06, 2016, 06:34:34 pm »

LaLight claimed IC?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1366 on: October 06, 2016, 06:35:37 pm »

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1367 on: October 06, 2016, 06:59:29 pm »

i think ww lying would require at least two of {me, joseph, gkrieg} to also be lying. all we have been able to come up with (i think) as a rationale for claiming vig is that he did the scum kill and suspected that he was roleblocked (which is unlikely to happen, sorta doesn't make sense, and uh there isn't a town roleblocker but whatever) or that he knew that there were only 2/3 PRs, which had proven to be not vigilantes, and thus no-one would counter-claim. this requires that there are indeed 2/3 PRs. to me, this makes this claim to be the most likely out of anyone that isn't, in fact, me. my claim seems especially likely because of the pm that i got, blah blah et cetera.


i guess that, if i lied, then nothing became of it. it seems as though i didn't gain any credibility, place any outside suspicion, or back up anyone else's claim.


gkrieg and joseph made the exact same claim. lmao. pending further review, i would hypothesize that exactly one of them is lying, and also it seems a tad more likely to be joseph.


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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1368 on: October 06, 2016, 07:50:15 pm »

My guess is that a probability thing of who is lying would probably not help very much
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1369 on: October 06, 2016, 07:53:39 pm »

My guess is that a probability thing of who is lying would probably not help very much
yes there are too many arrangements here, and too much other stuff
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1370 on: October 06, 2016, 07:56:59 pm »

or rather, nothing to be really clarified by arrangements
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1371 on: October 06, 2016, 08:00:33 pm »

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1372 on: October 07, 2016, 01:38:57 am »

well, yesterday i came to claim and didn't read any of this, then I read it before sleep but had no time to answer.

This is all confusing. My gut also tells me that here's exactly one person lying about PR. And if this is true, then scum team is {JReggie, Iguana, [lying PR]}.
I'd just propose lynching those two first. And in the process we can actually look at the PRs and their behavior.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1373 on: October 07, 2016, 01:57:38 am »

well, yesterday i came to claim and didn't read any of this, then I read it before sleep but had no time to answer.

This is all confusing. My gut also tells me that here's exactly one person lying about PR. And if this is true, then scum team is {JReggie, Iguana, [lying PR]}.
I'd just propose lynching those two first. And in the process we can actually look at the PRs and their behavior.

vote: JReggie

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1374 on: October 07, 2016, 02:01:54 am »

well, yesterday i came to claim and didn't read any of this, then I read it before sleep but had no time to answer.

This is all confusing. My gut also tells me that here's exactly one person lying about PR. And if this is true, then scum team is {JReggie, Iguana, [lying PR]}.
I'd just propose lynching those two first. And in the process we can actually look at the PRs and their behavior.

vote: JReggie

Woah woah please unvote before scum have a chance to hammer me. Unless of course you're scum and that's not possible, but I think you're pretty towny so DON'T LOSE THE GAME FOR US

I'll have the time. I'm pretty every 15-20 minutes come here to look what's happening during the day.
Well, LyLo thing, I've never been here before. Ok, unvote, though I'm sure you're and II are scums. I'll make the case in an hour/two
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1375 on: October 07, 2016, 03:24:41 am »

well, let's look at each night from the perspective of every player.

N1.
WW doesn't use vig
schadd doesn't use doc
RR doesn't use cop
then
1st scenario:
Doctor (Joseph/Gkrieg) chooses SS
Scum roleblocks him
Scum doesn't strongman
scum has 1-shot strongman
2nd scenario:
Doctor chooses SS
Scum strongmans
scum!rb roleblocks someone else
3rd scenario:
Both docs choose ss
Scum strongmans
Scum!rb roleblocks doc
N2:
1st scenario:
WW kills SA
Schadd protects Faust
Doctor protects faust
Scum uses strongman (1-shot?)
Scum RBs WW
2nd scenario:
WW is scum
Two of the docs protect faust (Joseph/Gkrieg/Schadd)
Scum uses strongman
Scum RBs no-one important
3rd scenario:
Same as second but scum doesn't use Strongman

Therefore: faust is safe and we don't know if scum has strongman.

N3:
1st scenario:
Doc heals faust
Scum uses strongman
2nd scenario:
Both docs choose faust, scum RB's one and strongmans another.
2nd scenario:
One doc heals faust
Scum roleblocks Doc and don't use strongman.


So:
We can see that scum can not have the strongman.
WW is not necessarily town
Schadd is not necessarily town
There is some probability that both Joseph and GKrieg are doctors, but the one was always roleblocked and the second was strongmaned (Except N2). This makes WW and Schadd a team of scums. The third member definitely would claim VT so II or JR.

I didn't consult the setup, doing this post so I may be wrong slightly in some of the scenarios.
The most likely scum-team for me personally is Joseph-Schadd-JReggie/Iguana and mafia doesn't have strongman so we have 1-shot vig, Doctor and 1-shot cop which is CVDTTT as I remember.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1376 on: October 07, 2016, 04:28:26 am »

Check the setup - with 2 or fewer T rolls, the scum team has a multi-shot strongman.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1377 on: October 07, 2016, 09:16:48 am »

And if this is true, then scum team is {JReggie, Iguana, [lying PR]}.
I'd just propose lynching those two first. And in the process we can actually look at the PRs and their behavior.

vote: JReggie

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1378 on: October 07, 2016, 09:19:34 am »

And if this is true, then scum team is {JReggie, Iguana, [lying PR]}.
I'd just propose lynching those two first. And in the process we can actually look at the PRs and their behavior.

vote: JReggie

Lol

I've already proven I may be wrong :)
I don't know, you're so null to me.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1379 on: October 07, 2016, 09:19:45 am »



I didn't consult the setup, doing this post so I may be wrong slightly in some of the scenarios.
The most likely scum-team for me personally is Joseph-Schadd-JReggie/Iguana and mafia doesn't have strongman so we have 1-shot vig, Doctor and 1-shot cop which is CVDTTT as I remember.

Masons. We have M. As far as I can tell, the only way we don't have a strongman is if the entire scum team is in the claimed PRs.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1380 on: October 07, 2016, 09:20:29 am »

And if this is true, then scum team is {JReggie, Iguana, [lying PR]}.
I'd just propose lynching those two first. And in the process we can actually look at the PRs and their behavior.

vote: JReggie

Lol

I've already proven I may be wrong :)
I don't know, you're so null to me.

Then after the game, you will be able to see my signs of being town better! That's something to be glad about since we are almost certainly losing this game.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1381 on: October 07, 2016, 09:21:12 am »



I didn't consult the setup, doing this post so I may be wrong slightly in some of the scenarios.
The most likely scum-team for me personally is Joseph-Schadd-JReggie/Iguana and mafia doesn't have strongman so we have 1-shot vig, Doctor and 1-shot cop which is CVDTTT as I remember.

Masons. We have M. As far as I can tell, the only way we don't have a strongman is if the entire scum team is in the claimed PRs.

omg I completely forgot about masons. Yeah, Strongman is here.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1382 on: October 07, 2016, 10:29:20 am »



I didn't consult the setup, doing this post so I may be wrong slightly in some of the scenarios.
The most likely scum-team for me personally is Joseph-Schadd-JReggie/Iguana and mafia doesn't have strongman so we have 1-shot vig, Doctor and 1-shot cop which is CVDTTT as I remember.

Masons. We have M. As far as I can tell, the only way we don't have a strongman is if the entire scum team is in the claimed PRs.

This is also possible though. WW schadd and Joseph could've just forgotten to submit a kill N2.  Plus they could be hoping that people do what LaLight is doing and just lynching among the VTs so that they just win flawlessly. I mean the chance of us lynching three times in the PRs in a row is quite unlikely so it isn't even a bad strategy
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1383 on: October 07, 2016, 12:37:13 pm »



I didn't consult the setup, doing this post so I may be wrong slightly in some of the scenarios.
The most likely scum-team for me personally is Joseph-Schadd-JReggie/Iguana and mafia doesn't have strongman so we have 1-shot vig, Doctor and 1-shot cop which is CVDTTT as I remember.

Masons. We have M. As far as I can tell, the only way we don't have a strongman is if the entire scum team is in the claimed PRs.

This is also possible though. WW schadd and Joseph could've just forgotten to submit a kill N2.  Plus they could be hoping that people do what LaLight is doing and just lynching among the VTs so that they just win flawlessly. I mean the chance of us lynching three times in the PRs in a row is quite unlikely so it isn't even a bad strategy
Really? You think 3 scum would just forget?
That's just an awful argument to be pursuing.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1384 on: October 08, 2016, 03:21:18 am »

prod: schadd
prod: JReggie
prod: WitherWeaver
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1385 on: October 08, 2016, 04:09:20 am »

Pretty sure Gkrieg is scum right now.

SS was the obvious N1 target to experienced player, as he's one of the best town players. This is why I thought one of WW/gkrieg must be scum, as someone experienced must have decided on that NK.

N2 & 3, faust was the obvious kill, as he's the IC, so towniest player.
Thus, all these kills have been to the mafia textbook, suggesting an experienced player was running them.

WW's claim must be true, since it was so barbaric.

Also, someone is definitely lying about being a doctor, and it's convenient that gkrieg just copied my claim. He then tried to claim that all 3 scum could be claiming PRs, which seems ridiculously unlikely.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1386 on: October 08, 2016, 08:11:30 am »

I'm not going to be sound much this weekend, so don't lynch me as a result of that please.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1387 on: October 08, 2016, 08:28:29 am »

I'm not going to be sound much this weekend, so don't lynch me as a result of that please.
We'll probably lynch you D5.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1388 on: October 08, 2016, 09:37:26 am »

I favor a Joseph lynch today I think.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1389 on: October 08, 2016, 09:44:00 am »

I favor a Joseph lynch today I think.

Either do I probably.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1390 on: October 08, 2016, 11:03:28 am »

Won't be able to do anything until tomorrow.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1391 on: October 08, 2016, 11:18:46 am »

Pretty sure Gkrieg is scum right now.

SS was the obvious N1 target to experienced player, as he's one of the best town players. This is why I thought one of WW/gkrieg must be scum, as someone experienced must have decided on that NK.

N2 & 3, faust was the obvious kill, as he's the IC, so towniest player.
Thus, all these kills have been to the mafia textbook, suggesting an experienced player was running them.

WW's claim must be true, since it was so barbaric.

Also, someone is definitely lying about being a doctor, and it's convenient that gkrieg just copied my claim. He then tried to claim that all 3 scum could be claiming PRs, which seems ridiculously unlikely.

That's funny. I thought all of the kills have been very newb like. Do you really think that I would copy your claim as scum? 

I'm not trying to claim that all three scum are PRs just that it isn't out of the picture. I was trying to see if we knew that exactly one PR is scum, but it is possible that there are 1, 2, 3 scum in the PRs, which means that we shouldn't just lynch out of the VTs today because of higher probability , which is what LaLight was suggesting we do
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1392 on: October 08, 2016, 11:19:27 am »



I didn't consult the setup, doing this post so I may be wrong slightly in some of the scenarios.
The most likely scum-team for me personally is Joseph-Schadd-JReggie/Iguana and mafia doesn't have strongman so we have 1-shot vig, Doctor and 1-shot cop which is CVDTTT as I remember.

Masons. We have M. As far as I can tell, the only way we don't have a strongman is if the entire scum team is in the claimed PRs.

This is also possible though. WW schadd and Joseph could've just forgotten to submit a kill N2.  Plus they could be hoping that people do what LaLight is doing and just lynching among the VTs so that they just win flawlessly. I mean the chance of us lynching three times in the PRs in a row is quite unlikely so it isn't even a bad strategy
Really? You think 3 scum would just forget?
That's just an awful argument to be pursuing.

Look at mistborn mafia. There I think 5 people forgot.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1393 on: October 08, 2016, 11:37:41 am »



I didn't consult the setup, doing this post so I may be wrong slightly in some of the scenarios.
The most likely scum-team for me personally is Joseph-Schadd-JReggie/Iguana and mafia doesn't have strongman so we have 1-shot vig, Doctor and 1-shot cop which is CVDTTT as I remember.

Masons. We have M. As far as I can tell, the only way we don't have a strongman is if the entire scum team is in the claimed PRs.

This is also possible though. WW schadd and Joseph could've just forgotten to submit a kill N2.  Plus they could be hoping that people do what LaLight is doing and just lynching among the VTs so that they just win flawlessly. I mean the chance of us lynching three times in the PRs in a row is quite unlikely so it isn't even a bad strategy
Really? You think 3 scum would just forget?
That's just an awful argument to be pursuing.

Look at mistborn mafia. There I think 5 people forgot.

More people is greater chance, actually.  Since you're discussing a lot and waiting for responses, you don't realize the deadlines come up.

Here, though, we shouldn't consider such a situation too seriously.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1394 on: October 08, 2016, 11:44:23 am »



I didn't consult the setup, doing this post so I may be wrong slightly in some of the scenarios.
The most likely scum-team for me personally is Joseph-Schadd-JReggie/Iguana and mafia doesn't have strongman so we have 1-shot vig, Doctor and 1-shot cop which is CVDTTT as I remember.

Masons. We have M. As far as I can tell, the only way we don't have a strongman is if the entire scum team is in the claimed PRs.

This is also possible though. WW schadd and Joseph could've just forgotten to submit a kill N2.  Plus they could be hoping that people do what LaLight is doing and just lynching among the VTs so that they just win flawlessly. I mean the chance of us lynching three times in the PRs in a row is quite unlikely so it isn't even a bad strategy
Really? You think 3 scum would just forget?
That's just an awful argument to be pursuing.

Look at mistborn mafia. There I think 5 people forgot.

More people is greater chance, actually.  Since you're discussing a lot and waiting for responses, you don't realize the deadlines come up.

Here, though, we shouldn't consider such a situation too seriously.

I agree. I was just saying that it was actually possible even if the likelihood is very small. But it is enough that I think I would rather lynch among the PRs, because we know at least one is lying.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1395 on: October 08, 2016, 12:47:44 pm »

rereading everyone rn. until that's finished, here's a nugget

shortest character combination that uniquely returns each person in ctrl-f:
gkrieg: "adf"
iguana iguana: "sku"
j reggie: "dcl"
joseph: ", 5"
lalight: "eyl" [as long as he is a moneylender, after which it becomes "me: l"]
schadd: "kj"
witherweaver: "h3" [as long as no one quotes jsh]
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1396 on: October 08, 2016, 06:19:49 pm »

rereading everyone rn. until that's finished, here's a nugget

shortest character combination that uniquely returns each person in ctrl-f:
gkrieg: "adf"
iguana iguana: "sku"
j reggie: "dcl"
joseph: ", 5"
lalight: "eyl" [as long as he is a moneylender, after which it becomes "me: l"]
schadd: "kj"
witherweaver: "h3" [as long as no one quotes jsh]

Now it'll find this post. Thanks, anyway!

Still waiting for your rereads.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1397 on: October 08, 2016, 06:32:59 pm »


  gkrieg
 pros: 377. 627 seems like a proper reaction. 728, 732 are good positions, seems concerned for town; he is misconstruing a bit what the pledge was, though. 827 seems suspicious that the j reggie wagon dropped, also rightfully uncertain about sa. same in 843
 cons: didn't respond to 370, 474
bonus:
  iguana iguana
 pros: 368 + quoted were fun. gkrieg was self-critical-ish as well. 375 was against the grain. 445 seemed a tad more interested in helping me than seeming to help me; whether this is a pro ofc depends on whether i'm scum. 498 double went against the grain, especially considering both of those were on the verge of going through.
 cons: 323 uses an unnecessarily broad definition of fluff. 377 (though he responded perhaps adequately in 418). 417 is a bit vague. 513 town shouldn't really be concerned what the source is for things that are true. still don't like the D2 drama, but alcohol et al. seem to explain it reasonably.
 bonus: {360} he does that thing that a scared cat does where it makes itself look bigger. this is the sort of thing that i would expect an ic to do; is this a town!ii thing? 516 for those of you at home, beep is what iguanas say in schadnd
  j reggie
 pros: 413 (but impersonal), 588 i guess, dunno that they were easy mislynches though. 600 means we can't blame scum for pushing the wagon away.
 cons: 447,8 he seems to interested in defending himself, inflates the sense of danger for himself as well; compound that with his defense in 501. {564, 569} he didn't respond to, {535, 800} "i'm town because i'm town." 574 seems pretty trash.
 bonus: {152, 342} perhaps unnecessarily defensive of joseph. both igu and gkrieg were as well, at around the same time as 342, interestingly. 585 was the strong reads that he claimed to have (aside, do you remember the intention behind "achoo"?), 424 sorta discounts an igu-j r team
  joseph
 pros: 559. 674 thanx.
 cons: 455+6; i generally read "kill (conf!town)" + reason and "don't kill (conf!town)" without reason as scummy. 653 ..but not ss, somehow? 736 tries to emphasize the towniness of the thing that he says. 826 is sort of refusing to make a case
 bonus: 377
  lalight
 pros: 298 (not the misunderstanding, but the investigating someone with a sort of neutral tone), 398 is also quaintly investigative, 438 since ss and faust are probably good enough town that you wouldn't want to defend them at all as scum. 553 seems innocent, perhaps 571 does as well since deadline was coming up
 cons: 606 seems like a doctor breadcrumb; he has since claimed vt. especially weird that this didn't get him nightkilled, when ss did a really suspicious hammer. ss pointed out why 633 is odd.
 bonus: 491 is a funny attitude that i can't say goes either way
  witherweaver
 pros: 104 quietly promoted interaction, 324 was against the grain, 592 questioning someone without looking that hard into it seems town. 682 is consistent at least.
 cons: 420 is silly. 607 is odd that close to the deadline, but maybe he meant days later. 692 was a bit of a sidestep.
 bonus: 466 is the sort of post that he makes for most of D1. given that he doesn't do it as much later, i don't think it's that bad. 713, he freudian slip'd rsp for rvs. unfortunately that doesn't mean anything at all.
  digging up graves: 545 funny that both of them ended up getting lynched; 547 funny they're still alive and sorta top suspects


part 2, uh, later. this is boring.
conclusions from up to ~900: lalight, gkrieg, iguana seem pretty textbook town. j reggie and joseph had a sort of medium cloud of suspicion hanging over them the whole time, which i would think is hard to keep constant without dying; people were sort of at the same suspicion level for s-a and it did not take much prompting for that to turn into a death.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1398 on: October 08, 2016, 06:44:01 pm »

Ok gonna try to get some rereads done.

schadd:

everyone is giving me ok vibes but i don't like that mail-mi was the 4th person to vote for me (though that might have just been an Out Of Character Joke) and then said a bunch mercurial stuff


so, uh, vote: mail-mi


also, how bad is it to say things like i also want to not be voting faust because we are scumfriends that were roommates in mafia school and also mail-mi told me to vote for him in our mason thing? asking for a friend

This is his vote on mail-mi.

also, i should clarify, when i said "everyone is giving me ok vibes" i meant "i don't know what i'm supposed to interpret as scum or townie and also nobody tell me"

I think this is townie from schadd.  He seems to have a much better feel on the game now though.  What has changed since this post?

why does there want to be wagons? what is the consensus on lynching someone right out the gates all the way

Just another example.  A lot of D1 is like this for schadd.

i'm still on the boat of voting mail-mi. it seems as though his approach is to brush me off as a dope rather than address the thing that i said and i kinda fancy myself not a dope


i don't have any other stances

His stance on mail-mi.

vote: lalight

my only real thing is that i get concerned when people agree with another person's thing and don't say anything else and
agreed. Intent to hammer
strikes that chord. and he hasn't elaborated on it. i'm not sure whether it helps or hurts that he decided not to hammer someone in that situation


also, incidentally, i'm finding it difficult to say things that are towny. in theory i should be completely transparent because i'm not hiding anything (lmao!) but if i were some other guy reading my posts i would be like "wow what a loser that doesn't know what to do with his scummy self and is just trying to be present but unhelpful in conversation." so, this is me levelling with you guys or something. imagine that you're playing lego and i squat next to you and say "i care. i really do."

This is a very townie post from schadd.  He seems newb!selfaware and not scum!selfaware.

i tried to edit it and then i quoted it and then i posted it and then i remembered that you're not supposed to edit


vote: joseph

Votes for Joseph

I'm also starting to wonder if schadd is scum. I have no idea what his meta will be like, but I feel like there's a lot of fluff in his posts as well so to speak.
if not for fluff i probably wouldn't be saying much at all, because of the not knowing things and stuff. i assume that that it's better than not talking but who knows

This is also an important quote from him.  I just don't think you do something like this as scum.

schadd -- Mild scum maybe, if he knows people here from other forum interactions?
only as much as the next guy. the scumfriends thing with faust was because i voted him and then stopped voting for him and the mafia school thing seemed like a nice narrative
@JReggie: Howcome nobody's made you add unique text to your profile to make you easier to search for?
they are the only duke i think


vote: j reggie is where i stand.
Yeah, people really seem to have forgotten about this game. Let's get a lynch in before the deadline because I probably won't be around then.
real? 6 pages in 4ish days seems perfectly fine, judging from cursory glances at the other ones. this might, however, stem from an actual personal time constraint. such is online mafia.
...and since then not many of the other posts have things that are really capable of refutation (or agreement, for that matter) and are sorta non-committal, as igu argued.
  from non-mafia knowledge, i would tend to agree with igu and the version of ss that says "the case is good." also, either way, j reg seems like a fun person to put the spotlight on

This is really his first big post.  I think this is also townie.  I feel like I have confirmation bias at this point.  schadd really just seems town.

I realized that my case on J Reggie was based on a vague memory of a previous scum game of his, so I decided to dig up the quote.

It is here: http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=15591.msg624261#msg624261

In Duel Mafia, scum!J Reggie takes a few stabs at scummy looking townies before giving up on having scumreads entirely. Before the end, he just says that he has no useful scumreads and doesn't even believe in the counter-wagon. Of course, in some ways he's being honest. He knew e was town, and had no useful scumreads. Odd though that he wouldn't put the effort in to make a case against e and try to get people off of him.

Anyway, in a non-obvious way, J Reggie's half-hearted stabs at this game and complete lack of pushing the game forward read very similarly to that scum game.

Could I be wrong and he be town? Sure, but I feel better about this case than most D1 cases that I push. I'm definitely not changing my vote.

I started the wagon on mail-mi. I still think he's scum.
i'm pretty sure that's a bold-faced lie about bold-faced votes. you were the fifth vote on m-m, and i dunno if you can say that you started the wagon in the context of this post

This is also a good post.  Looks like he is honestly scum hunting. 


♪it's just another perfect night♪

I guess there is no use delaying this, because mafia probably will figure it out and it will only cost us time today.

I am silverspawn's partner.

This should be obvious to anyone rereading D1.
i don't suppose there's any reason to deny this. if it's a lie then you're just communicating to a random person that you're scum and i'm sure people have gotten that far already. i was getting a somewhat strong scum read on you and ss towards the end, so. potato potahto.


question: are you allowed to say (or quote, even) what you and ss said in the mason qt?


also, does the fact that only one person died mean that someone doctored? if i understand the setup correctly, there is supposed to be 3 scum and two people die nightly. if somebody did doctor, any speculations on who was saved? all things considered, the very likely candidate is faust; as i mentioned, they seemed maybe not scummy but definitely like they knew something, and scum may have presumed that to mean they were masons. in which case, silverspawn also assumed that they knew—this (following) post makes more sense with that in mind.
I'm afraid mail-mi will flip town and then I'll get NKd as the least suspicious person and will be out of the game :(
this is so spicy, you guys. we are gonna have to reread silverspawn a lot of times.


Also schadd is not very useful, as I recall he has a little amount of posts and what he has is not telling us anything.
:(
should i do a big readpost or something?

Oh ya then D2 he had this thing.  I mean he really would've had to been coached pretty heavily, which just doesn't really seem his style.


i'm also incidentally pretty suspicious of me.
Really, because I'm not.
If you were scum, you would have asked your "Do 2 people die at night?" question in the mafia QT, rather than here.
whoops! townslip

This kind of neutralizes the last thing.  Pointing out your own townslip is kinda scummy.

he had a sort of a habit of snarking at/refuting that spaceguy summed here
whoops, that was supposed to be this link


/pledge, i guess? i'm not sure that this logic holds up:
My big problem with the pledge is that everyone should have better reads than faust because they have more information than faust.  Every person knows the alignment of 2 people (themselves and faust), so their reads have a higher probability of being correct than faust's. 
...since only 6 people know the alignment of 2 people, and a certain 3 people know the alignment of everybody. it's not about information, it's about, ceteris paribus and nothing particularly compelling against any certain person, we agree to sheep the person who cannot have any ulterior motives (esp. because now it is especially easy for scum to form a majority). faust, incidentally, seems to be a fortunate person for this position.


i'm not sure, though, and other people have thought this out further than i have and also experienced the endgame situation theorized here. at the very least, this shouldn't really be the focus of our attention until we are confident that there isn't more information to be gathered.


Going to bed now, but a serious, thought-provoking question before I do.

If you were scum, who would you have killed N1?
i'm so town that even if i were scum i wouldn't lynch anyone.
i mean, uh, probably ss. it's hard to say in hindsight, of course, but i and surely some other people (read: joseph's readlist, also this one) had ss and faust in the "what do you know that i don't" category, and since scum knew they were innocent, that probably meant that they indeed knew something. that, and, you know, ss is good at this game and stuff. that said, it's weird that it happened right at the peak of suspicion for him (he just hammered mail-mi!) and, well, killing a mason seems to be a not-good idea. this leads me to an inkling that it is a bit of a personal lynch rather than an empirical one. who here has the most experience?


i haven't given any formalized reads yet. names accentuated in purple, which i think is allowed


  kinda: ww(still, didn't reply to the thing that i said!), igu (seems like a clumsy persona for a committed scum, but why would he refuse to be replaced? are we seeing drunk!scum!igu or something), rr (hasn't bitten in the strategy/analysis of the board like the rest of us fish and has otherwise not really said much that i can remember, which is especially odd considering this post)


  merits investigation:lalight (has said a hell of a lot, at least), joseph (has had some unfortunate votes, don't like his first vote in the context of my current one, below, but otherwise kinda whatever)


  i'm okay with them rn: gkrieg (enduring attitude is 'get on it people!' and hasn't had really any bs. he did parrot the bad joseph vote. though, now that i think about it, it's sorta forgivable? faust did seem weird, and i really don't know how to read the mail-mi situation), space (smells like they have the same approach to the game that i do at the moment which is a plus, for me at least. i appreciate their effort to hammer out a few people [i.e., me and ww thus far] rather than comment on game state), j reggie (i was pretty fervently anti-him d1. don't really know what to think at the moment but i'm not really suspicious)


  me: schadd (5 stars, would eat again)


  faust: faust (the pledge thing would have probably maybe brought the actual mason out of the woodwork at this point. do other people care about what went on in the qt? i guess, is there any position ss took that he didn't post publicly?)


vote: roadrunner since i want him to be under the spotlight, he has maybe produced the least information combined with being kinda suspicious


at the time of this post, half of the rules post is a link to day 2.

Reads list.  So he kinda starts the wagon on RR as well.  Interesting.  He starts it as just trying to put him under the spotlight.

so. i'm still very much suspicious of joseph, and i said yesterday that i was gonna vote for him. that said, he said that he was gonna be limited access and i only just noticed that now, so i guess that's on hold.


i am also content to
vote: ww
...since he has seemed pretty unhelpful and hasn't really responded to the several things space-a and i said

Votes for WW.  I'm kinda losing steam at this point. 

oh also i would still very very much like to put rr under some duress

keeps pushing RR without the vote on him.

hey, seems good a time as any.


i am sophie, the 1-shot doctor. i saved faust last night

good claim, good timing.  The claim seems good and not scummy.


WW: 1-shot vig, who shot Space last night
schadd: 1-shot doc, saved faust last night
   i think there is a small but perhaps non-trivial chance that ww is lying. in the case that the scums know that there are between 2 and 3 PRs, they might have elected to not use the strongman in order to gather information, and when faust didn't die (you're welcome, maybe) that was an all-clear that it is CEM and there are no vigilantes, and thus no-one to contest the vig thing. if anyone else knows they have they have a PR (esp. cop, since it can't explain faust's survival), then they will know this scenario to be impossible.
   in the case of 4-6 power roles, it gets more entropic (what with roleblockers and junk), and scum!ww might feel too uncertain about claiming vig (though i wouldn't be surprised if he had somewhat precise probablistic stuff that he wasn't willing to share).
   these scenarios seem somewhat maybe unlikely; from my perspective (i.e., given MEC or so), the first one i think has a 1-in-8 chance, and the current situation that we're concocting to account for ww's claim seems, well, pretty hard to compute. which of these gets shaved off by occam's razor? this is the part where probability analysis would really help town and also be super boring.


  pros, for ww's case: the breadcrumb definitely only helps his case. that said, i perhaps wouldn't put it past scum!him to do that just to see if it would become useful.


  cons, for ww's case: he really seemed to skip past the part where he provided a lot of evidence for the claim (considering that there is nothing that happened N2 that would make more sense with a vig) and went right to the implications part. perhaps the fact that we have collectively been willing to accept ww's claim suggests that we do indeed have a bunch of folks with PRs.


   maybe i as well didn't provide any evidence for my claim, but also, uh, read the parenthetical in the last paragraph. and i don't suppose people would have trouble believing me if i said that i sorta forgot about my medical degree until D2ish, which is why there aren't any breadcrumbs or anything.


   also, crapcrud hecking heckfarts. roadrunner seemed so scummy. it is not doing me any favors that i was the first person to vote for the two lynches on their respective days

This post is also good.  I like his reaction to RR flipping town.

I'm gonna post this so I don't lose it because the posts I'm quoting are being slow to load.  More to follow probably

PPEs
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« Reply #1399 on: October 08, 2016, 07:04:07 pm »

He also has a lot of statistics posts.  Do you have a math background?  Just curious.

  the one described above: 8%. not completely disjoint with the previous case, though, so maybe, like, 7%?
that should say 'not disjoint with the following case'


there are probably several other such errors but i'm not reading that post again


anyway, i don't really suspect the anemone, at least as much as the rest of you seem to. D1 and 2 i think i'm on record as saying so, and today they've been trying to work through the probabilities &c (which is the way to go! see above).
  one fun but very, very minor point against, though:
If WW is a vig, he was almost certainly a lucky block by scum, because town has a rather low likelihood of having a RB, whereas scum is guaranteed one (since we know we have at least two non-T rolls in the setup).
(emphasis added)


i would suspect the people currently on-wagon except i can imagine the position as town that want to push a seemingly obvious lynch (majorities are hard rn) and also not really concerned with probability, etc.


anyway, i currently don't have strong reads, sadly.
  joseph has seemed yucky the whole game, but igu (and maybe others?) said early on that that's just the way he is. he called the claims into question which is a plus.
  j reggie is the opinion of faust, and i reread j reggie and he has been defensive and snarky, but not really all that scummy, to me. that said, i'll sheep faust eventually if need be.
  igu has also seemed hard for me to figure out. he is probably my biggest scumread atm, which isn't saying much, but i don't really like his attitude recently (emphasizing other people's town opinion on him, also seeming confident about the role situation without commenting on it much) but he has the same sort of opinions as me (excepting sa)
  lalight is my other marginal read that is even more inarticulate. the last day, though, he has been working concretely at the board state stuff and also doubted ww's claim. don't like that he townread rr yesterday though
  gkrieg was quite the townie to everyone d1 and d2. he has said some goofyish stuff today (or, rather, stuff that i didn't get) but the towniness still holds
  ww is super hard to read. i really wouldn't put it past him at all to think to fake vig if it's MCDTTT
  hi faust!

Another reads post.

Well J Reggie is scum and I'm happy to switch back to him if you think Space is a bad call.
can you, like, make a case at all? your D3 reads more scummy to me than his but maybe i'm confusing scummy with trumpy

More scum hunting

Sorry if that is a condescending post but I found your insinuation that I am casting votes for no reason to be pretty damn insulting.
what? you are maybe in the wrong thread.
and also perhaps i might find it insulting that you think i've been ignoring the wagon analysis but you know. that's not what we do here.


the thing that i had been more concerned about is how you seem to have a sense of urgency, and, like, seeming incredibly confident about your reads. but i dunno.


anyway, vote: j reggie

i should probably be sheeping faust, since there's nothing he knows that i don't know except for whether i'm scum, and also because it's weak reads & inexperience v. experience and a pretty strong point of evidence.


the other thing is that igu is the only one that has really looked into j reggie since faust's post, especially considering how important wagon analysis supposedly is (and that s-a isn't supported by any, it would seem). i'm complicit in that but you know.


ppe: yea. i also think sa should still claim, maybe. but the only roles left seem to be doctor (which shouldn't claim) and maybe, like, cop or something

votes for J Reggie.


I mean if we lynch SpaceAnemone and they flip scum and then lynch me tomorrow it'll be lylo. If we lynch SpaceAnemone and they flip town and then lynch me tomorrow we lose. If we lynch me today I'd recommend not insta-lynching SpaceAnemone tomorrow because it'll be lylo.
argh, you keep doing that. you are currently trying to argue that you're town, so don't use the implications of you being town as evidence for you being town.

#784: "Schadd townslips again and again" -- not really. And I'm still deeply suspicious that his first "townslip" was a set-up. I'm really suspicious of how LL and Joseph push the "schadd is townslipping argument" around here.
i get how the first one (wherein i thought two people were supposed to die each night) might seem suspicious, given that it's kind of a weird assumption. however, this was the first mafia game that i watched, and as you can see, two people died each night (i linked it at the end of the first night.)
  and as far as making up words (such as townslip), seriously read schadnd. if you want, i can compile a list of the, like, 50 words that i made up.
  i do think that it's a bit odd that joseph pointed them out in a positive light, though, uh three times. we're not masons but uh you knew that already.


#1191: "Also, @Schadd and @Joseph, if you are to pick up out of those two, who do you vote?" -- I'm leaning towards a LaLight, Schadd & Joseph scumteam, though if so then this is quite brave.
well, we were the two people that were neither voting for one of the main wagons nor the target of them at the time.


agree that lalight townreading rr but then shortly after putting him to l-1 seems pretty sus. he has seemed hasty and indecisive the whole time, but i'm not sure if that comes from being used to irl mafia.


It's not that strong of a possibility that both you and J Reggie are both town.
how are they conditional? a few people have been seemingly making that assumption

This guy is town.  I'm probably just going to read the rest without quoting, because it has been very slow for me right now.

So ya.  Definitely don't want to lynch schadd today. He has some interesting interactions with J Reggie, so definitely need to look at that again if J Reggie flips scum. 
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1400 on: October 08, 2016, 07:09:57 pm »

Oh also schadd, you can use whatever color of text you want as long as it isn't invisible, and it isn't the color that the mod is currently using.  I actually can't see the purple, so I would personally choose another color if you go to all that trouble.  So just don't use maroon this game and you will be fine.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1401 on: October 08, 2016, 07:13:35 pm »

What has changed since this post?
i have played about 50x more mafia since.


Do you have a math background?
uh i haven't done enough education to say yes but, i mean, i do like math a good bit


Oh also schadd, you can use whatever color of text you want as long as it isn't invisible, and it isn't the color that the mod is currently using.  I actually can't see the purple, so I would personally choose another color if you go to all that trouble.  So just don't use maroon this game and you will be fine.
hm. i'll use... navy, then
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« Reply #1402 on: October 08, 2016, 07:17:54 pm »

What has changed since this post?
i have played about 50x more mafia since.


Do you have a math background?
uh i haven't done enough education to say yes but, i mean, i do like math a good bit


Oh also schadd, you can use whatever color of text you want as long as it isn't invisible, and it isn't the color that the mod is currently using.  I actually can't see the purple, so I would personally choose another color if you go to all that trouble.  So just don't use maroon this game and you will be fine.
hm. i'll use... navy, then

ok. I would use like green, or maybe lime green.  Or just bold them.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1403 on: October 08, 2016, 07:18:46 pm »

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« Reply #1404 on: October 08, 2016, 07:19:03 pm »

Definitely go with blue, if you want my opinion on that.
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« Reply #1405 on: October 08, 2016, 07:22:10 pm »

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« Reply #1406 on: October 08, 2016, 07:42:57 pm »

I'll reread Joseph next, but it will probably be after dinner.
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« Reply #1407 on: October 08, 2016, 07:50:28 pm »

yeah i usually have flux on which makes navy almost indistinguishable from black, and orange hard to read on white. blue is cool tho
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« Reply #1408 on: October 08, 2016, 08:17:41 pm »

oh, anyway, if you happen to be me, that post makes you a lot less suspicious of gkrieg; i don't think that people were unsuspicious enough of me for gkrieg to get townpoints for that (or, i suppose, unsuspicious of me at all). if you're me you're also very confident that joseph is scum. i'll try not to let that slip into rereads part 2.
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« Reply #1409 on: October 08, 2016, 09:58:16 pm »

yeah i usually have flux on which makes navy almost indistinguishable from black, and orange hard to read on white. blue is cool tho

That must be it.  I was wondering why it was so much more visible during the day than at night, but I had forgotten I have flux on!

oh, anyway, if you happen to be me, that post makes you a lot less suspicious of gkrieg; i don't think that people were unsuspicious enough of me for gkrieg to get townpoints for that (or, i suppose, unsuspicious of me at all). if you're me you're also very confident that joseph is scum. i'll try not to let that slip into rereads part 2.

I'm confused about the first part of this statement, and I'm also trying to not let confirmation bias slip in to my reread of Joseph. 
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1410 on: October 08, 2016, 10:00:30 pm »

Also ", 5" gets Haddock's sig as well...
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1411 on: October 08, 2016, 10:45:07 pm »

Joseph:

He is very RVSy.  He votes silverspawn for not having any votes.  Joseph tends to love RVS a little too much, so this seems normal for him.

Okay, so a lot happened today (typical).
Mail-mi seems kind of towny to me, but I'm not convinced LaLight is scum either.
New players do silly things (experienced players do too), but at least they didn't actually hammer the wagon.

Gives a kind of town read on mail-mi.

Let's start a good wagon:

Vote: faust

Starts the wagon on faust.


Day 1 ends on September 17 at 2:20 a.m. forum time.

~2.5 days, we need to do more

Pushing deadlines is pretty null, but borderline scummy.  It is something people do as scum to appear townie, but I also do it as town, to make sure people are aware.

Lynch list:

1. Witherweaver - null to mildly town
2. LaLight - lots of content, pro-town
3. silverspawn - not a lot there
4. gkrieg13 - put mail-mi on L-1, which isn't great. Not a lot else
5. faust - leaning towards scum
6. Roadrunner7671 - for the first time in forever, don't think he's scum
7. Joseph2302 - me. Absolutely no useful content so far
8. SpaceAnemone - mild town read on him, from very little content
9. J Reggie - trying to get the game moving early, and decently towny with most other things
10. schadd - lots of short posts, kind of null
11. iguanaiguana - mild town read
12. mail-mi - his wagon seemed a bit too easy for my liking. As he hasn't done anything super-scummy, it's likely there was scum on the wagon, and therefore more likely that he's town. Also seems different to the scum!mail-mi in a previous game

This reads list is actually really interesting.  All of the people that he has as his lynch pool have either flipped town, or they are schadd.  This means that if Joseph is scum, he chose to townread all of his partners.  But he also has mail-mi and RR as big town reads.

My preference for these 3 wagons is:
(Most wanted first)

faust
Mail-mi
JReggie

More reads.  So mail-mi isn't as townie as J Reggie in his eyes. 

Faust isn't happening, and I really think JReggie is town.
More so than mail-mi

votes for mail-mi and gives this as his reason.

morning, everyone!

vote: faust, I think.
It was obvious for scum to not kill faust.

This just seems like a strange statement. 

Lynch list:

1. Witherweaver - null to mildly town
2. LaLight - lots of content, pro-town
3. silverspawn - not a lot there
4. gkrieg13 - put mail-mi on L-1, which isn't great. Not a lot else
5. faust - leaning towards scum
6. Roadrunner7671 - for the first time in forever, don't think he's scum
7. Joseph2302 - me. Absolutely no useful content so far
8. SpaceAnemone - mild town read on him, from very little content
9. J Reggie - trying to get the game moving early, and decently towny with most other things
10. schadd - lots of short posts, kind of null
11. iguanaiguana - mild town read
12. mail-mi - his wagon seemed a bit too easy for my liking. As he hasn't done anything super-scummy, it's likely there was scum on the wagon, and therefore more likely that he's town. Also seems different to the scum!mail-mi in a previous game

Welp, my reads list doesn't look great.
Considering ss is town, and faust almost certainly is too

He also addresses how bad his earlier reads list is.  I say slightly scummy on this, in addition to his tone changing a lot D2 compared to D1.  He gets a lot more analytical, where most of his posts D1 are fluffy.

So, the weekend is over, and it's time for ou guys to put in some work, make cases, and such things. I have thoughts, but I will not reveal them. Instead, I want everyone to take the following pledge:

"If there is no lynch 12 hours before deadline, I will vote for whoever faust decides we should lynch."
/pledge
Although hopefully we'll have more meaningful discussion than just sheep the IC

I just see this as scummy.  I think just deciding to sheep anyone, especially the IC is very scummy.  It just gives lack of accountability.  You can always say that the IC wanted the lynch and you just went along with it.

My big problem with the pledge is that everyone should have better reads than faust because they have more information than faust.  Every person knows the alignment of 2 people (themselves and faust), so their reads have a higher probability of being correct than faust's. 

Also I'm weary of the people that agree to just blindly follow faust.  That is just way too easy of a cop out if they are on a mislynch.

Well, I don't follow him blindly. I trust his opinion, cause he's really more experienced and also an IC. + I know the alignment of me and him. I don't have strong case on anyone now, only mild scumread. I'll see and listen to faust.

Lynch list:

1. Witherweaver - null to mildly town
2. LaLight - lots of content, pro-town
3. silverspawn - not a lot there
4. gkrieg13 - put mail-mi on L-1, which isn't great. Not a lot else
5. faust - leaning towards scum
6. Roadrunner7671 - for the first time in forever, don't think he's scum
7. Joseph2302 - me. Absolutely no useful content so far
8. SpaceAnemone - mild town read on him, from very little content
9. J Reggie - trying to get the game moving early, and decently towny with most other things
10. schadd - lots of short posts, kind of null
11. iguanaiguana - mild town read
12. mail-mi - his wagon seemed a bit too easy for my liking. As he hasn't done anything super-scummy, it's likely there was scum on the wagon, and therefore more likely that he's town. Also seems different to the scum!mail-mi in a previous game
Here's my old lynch list- I'll review it properly some point.
faust is clearly town now, as were ss and mail-mi.
Man, these reads look so bad with hindsight

More mentions of how his reads are so bad and that he should just follow faust.  It seems to me that he is trying to oversell how bad his reads are so he can just sheep faust safely.

Going to bed now, but a serious, thought-provoking question before I do.

If you were scum, who would you have killed N1?

I don't get this question.

So what do you think scum did during yesterday's mislynch?
probably voted for mail-mi, and ~manipulated~ other people into it. but, i mean, faust and silverspawn were on that boat, so probably not all three of the scums needed to be egging that basket, or something. and that checks out: two of the people in my kinda tier voted for him (you and joseph, though the fact that joseph is the one whom i'm worried about accidentally complicitly killing clouds things a bit).


so, socrates, what's your scoop? corrupted any children lately, like, for example, rr, in your mafia qt? does it smell bad cop in here or is it just me? etc.
I didn't really want to vote for him, but he seemed like the least bad wagon.

Trying to get the focus off himself, trying to say that he shouldn't really be counted on the mislynch, but that he just had to vote for him.  Very scummy.

My list of towns from yesterday are still towns. Joseph is scum.
You're wrong.
I understand where people are coming from, but we need to find actual scum, not an idiot with a terrible reads list.
Lynching me is bad - easy mislynch, and what information will you get from it?

scummy defense as well.  I don't think that people thought he was scum because of his reads list at this point.  I'm not sure if anyone really mentioned it other than him. (I'm only reading his posts, so I don't know for sure)

Why a vote on WW?
Because I think he's scummy.
I'm reasonably sure one of WW and gkrieg is scum, and I think WW is scummier right now.

Votes for WW and gives this reasoning.

And that wagon came quickly.

Doesn't necessarily mean it's a bad one.

PPE:1

This reaction also is scummy.  Very hedgy, almost saying that he would get on the wagon if townies don't bring it to lynch.

Interesting.

So to sum up:
I think WW or gkrieg is scum
WW is voting gkrieg
Gkrieg thinks WW is town

Makes me think I was right, WW is scum

I'm not sure why he thinks one of WW and me is scum at this point.  I didn't get to that part of the reread yet apparently.

1. Witherweaver - scummy
2. LaLight - null
4. gkrieg13 - a little scummy
5. faust - IC
6. Roadrunner7671 - null
7. Joseph2302 - 100% town
8. SpaceAnemone - null to mildly towny
9. J Reggie - doesn't seem like scum!JReggie to me, so town
10. schadd - null to mildly towny
11. iguanaiguana - town

So my top 3 town reads would be ii, JReggie, Space

Gives another reads list.

So, I'm kind of against mass claiming, as gives scum too much info.

And mafia must have a full strongman, thus faust must have been double protected last night.
We have no UB/ faust is the UB.

Claims:
WW: 1-shot vig, who shot Space last night
schadd: 1-shot doc, saved faust last night

This is the stance he would've taken as an actual doctor. Up to this point, I've been looking for soft claims that he left that he was a doctor, and I wasn't able to find any.  To me it seems that he had decided at this point that he was going to fakeclaim doctor. 

One question: Do we think the claims are true?

I'm leaning towards yes, although Schadd's would be an easy scum fakeclaim.

I mean at this point, he should know that schadd is probably telling the truth because just his doctoring wouldn't have done the trick.

here is another random thing


at the time of this post, this is the post count in this thread of the following people (including the sign-up ones, but those are negligible):


witherweaver: 151
faust: 125
j reggie: 111
lalight: 110
iguanaiguana: 98
gkrieg: 93
schaddio: 78
joseph: 74
spaceanemone: 59
So Space is the lurker then- should vote him.

Vote: Gkrieg

Votes for me

Can everyone read the like 6 short posts that J Reggie has made so far in D3 and tell me with a straight face that they are not super scummy?

I would go for scummy, but not super scummy.
Reasonably scummy

So the SA comment and the J Reggie comment go against his earlier reads lists.  I would say this is one of the townier things he did the whole game.

I do!

Okay I think everyone knows that by now.
I'll reread tomorrow, but either Space or JReggie seem like decent options to me.

And given JReggies's intent to intent to hammer, think he might be scum looking to minimise information.

I mean he does a complete 180 on both of them.

So what are we at now?  Looks like

SpaceAnemone (3): Witherweaver, gkrieg13, LaLight
gkrieg13 (1): Joseph2302
J Reggie (3): faust, Iguana,  schadd

Not Voting (2): SpaceAnemone, J Reggie,


Why is Joseph voting for Gkrieg?

Ftfy

I don't remember either
Residual remains of my D2 theory that one of WW or gkrieg was scum.

Will need to catch up tomorrow, lots of things have been going on.
Will change vote after a proper reread.

His sticking to this WW/me scum theory is scummy.  Tunneling through multiple days while disregarding other things that are going on.

In the meantime, Vote: LaLight for thinking I'm scummy.

This vote is on D3.  D3.

In conclusion, I think that both JReggie and Space are scum, the JReggie post seems like obvious buddying to me.

I think Space looks worst, and he hasn't bothered to claim, so I'm going to vote for him. This will be L-1, but gkrieg has already said he's hammer either on L-1.

So, Vote: Space

L-1

Puts SA at L-1

Conclusion

As I was rereading, I realized how crazy unlikely it is that both of us are town.  Like what was I thinking yesterday.  It would mean that scum had to RB one of us N1, then RB one of the three doctors , then RB one of us N3.  I mean I guess that isn't that crazy ridiculous, but I have a hard time believing that he is a doctor from his D1 and D2 play. 

He spends a lot of time distancing himself from mislynch wagons.  He is on the mail-mi wagon D1, but tries to say that he didn't really like the wagon D2.  He stays off the RR wagon, and then has a complete 180 on SA and J Reggie right when they are the only two options for the day. 

So I'll still reread WW tomorrow, but I really think that Joseph is scum.  I think the likelihood that there are two full doctors, and that WW is lying, is pretty low.  From my perspective, one of them HAS to be lying, and right now it is looking more like Joseph.  I won't vote until I've read WW though.


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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1412 on: October 09, 2016, 12:29:58 am »

Gkrieg's case on Joseph seems pretty good. I've been defending him like all game for basically no reason, I realized. I'll give him a reread myself.

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« Reply #1413 on: October 09, 2016, 12:31:16 am »

But hmm, gkrieg is acting kind of weird too so IDK.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1414 on: October 09, 2016, 12:56:52 am »

But hmm, gkrieg is acting kind of weird too so IDK.

How am I acting weird?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1415 on: October 09, 2016, 09:07:51 am »

guys, let's do the artificial voting. Like I vote: Playername to see the opinions. What do you think?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1416 on: October 09, 2016, 09:35:57 am »

Vote: Joseph
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« Reply #1417 on: October 09, 2016, 09:51:15 am »

vote: Joseph
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« Reply #1418 on: October 09, 2016, 09:56:11 am »

vote: joseph
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« Reply #1419 on: October 09, 2016, 10:52:48 am »

Guys I'm good.
And Gkrieg is bad.

There aren't 2 full doctors, but you're choosing the wrong person.
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« Reply #1420 on: October 09, 2016, 11:17:36 am »

Guys I'm good.
And Gkrieg is bad.

There aren't 2 full doctors, but you're choosing the wrong person.
porquois?
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« Reply #1421 on: October 09, 2016, 11:19:26 am »

Guys I'm good.
And Gkrieg is bad.

There aren't 2 full doctors, but you're choosing the wrong person.
porquois?

Is this a word?
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« Reply #1422 on: October 09, 2016, 11:27:52 am »

Guys I'm good.
And Gkrieg is bad.

There aren't 2 full doctors, but you're choosing the wrong person.

Guys. Wtf are we waiting for. vote: Joseph
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« Reply #1423 on: October 09, 2016, 11:44:42 am »

Guys I'm good.
And Gkrieg is bad.

There aren't 2 full doctors, but you're choosing the wrong person.

Guys. Wtf are we waiting for. vote: Joseph

I still want to read WW, but I also fake vote Joseph
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« Reply #1424 on: October 09, 2016, 12:03:24 pm »

Guys I'm good.
And Gkrieg is bad.

There aren't 2 full doctors, but you're choosing the wrong person.
porquois?

Is this a word?
it's french
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« Reply #1425 on: October 09, 2016, 01:37:19 pm »

Guys I'm good.
And Gkrieg is bad.

There aren't 2 full doctors, but you're choosing the wrong person.

Guys. Wtf are we waiting for. vote: Joseph
I'm a doctor.
I know I've played crap, but Gkrieg is scum.
And I'm the true doctor.
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« Reply #1426 on: October 09, 2016, 03:39:17 pm »

Witherweaver:

You're all in trouble now.

I mean this breadcrumb is weak.  I just don't think it is very strong, because it could also mean that he is holding a needle (doctor), or that he makes bad decisions as a RB, or could really just mean he is VT.  I don't think it is really indicative of him being a vig.

So this is my chance to be a towny townie for once. I'll try not to do anything dumb, guys.

Cool.

Vote: J Reggie

Votes for J Reggie in what seems to be a real vote.

Lots of fluff, but likes schadd's case on mail-mi.

I'd support a flavor claim

Has this whole thing.  I think this at least supports that he isn't a VT, although I don't think it was super clear even to them that they all have the same flavor name.

So he kind of tunnels J Reggie all day, which is a townie thing to do.  Town tends to tunnel because there isn't that much information.

has an early town read on faust.

I don't want to lynch Faust.. probably not Iguana.  Probably not Schadd.  Think I'd go for anyone else.  I don't really remember what made me think J Reggie was scummy, but I trust six-day-ago me.  He's a smart guy.

This is interesting.  Definitely would want to look more in to iguana if WW ever flips scum. 

He questions J Reggie's reads list because there is no explanation for why mail-mi is scummy.  Looks like scum hunting to me.

Sure I guess I'm okay with either

Vote: Mail-Mi

is probably L-1

Puts mail-mi at L-1 after defending him mildly.  This is scummy.

Early D2 wants a SA lynch.  Makes a pretty good case on them.

I really like how he handled the pledge.  It seemed like a townie reaction, especially from WW, who is a do your own thing kind of person.

His D2 is really good actually.  He seems to be asking the right questions, doing honest scum hunting.  His case on SA seems very honest.  The scummier part of the day from him is trying to start wagons on people that aren't RR.  Part of it seems like trying to start a wagon on a partner (I still think that iguana is scum if WW is scum) that he doesn't think will get much traction to do some distancing. 

I reread RR, that was a productive 17 seconds.  Said nothing D1.  Is lynchworthy.

This is his case on RR.

I expected to find Space scummy, but didn't really when I reread.  Posts feel somewhat honest, not really constructed.

This is the result of a reread on SA.  I think this looks fairly townie as well.  I wish he would put reasons why he didn't find SA as scummy as he thought he would though.

Tries to get a wagon going on me, because only he had voted for me the whole game. 

This would be a dumb lynch.

This is his reaction to being put to L-1.  This is a pretty null reaction.  I would expect WW to react the exact same way as town or as scum.

I voted Gkrieg after rereading, for similar reasons that I voted Iguana.  The Day 1 posts of both have a little bit of forced nonchalantness, something in particular scum tries to emulates.

Gkrieg is present Day 1 without ever doing a whole lot.  A decent amount of criticizing/pseudodefending cases and not really making his own.  Also the thing on Mail-Mi (which was his first active thing on D1)... putting at L-1, saying it wasn't the expected reaction.  It's not like that can't be townie, but it felt a little forced, as if he was planning to not find Mail-Mi lynchworthy. (A hammer would have looked bad, but doing something regarding the wagon that does not result in a mislynch looks good.)  Rest of day is similar; he comes back at the end to go for Mail-Mi, though prefers Faust.

Iguana has an overly 'I'm playing this game really cool and loose, guys' attitude.  Lots of gratuitous punctuation.  Pretty involved with the game, is pretty confident with his case on J Reggie.. reminds me of classical high-content scum, like how I played in my earlier scum games (maybe X-Men).  I'm not so sure Iguana would play that way scum, though.

In both cases, I was curious to see if anything would result from voting, though they were both pretty much ignored.  Saying more stuff may have been better, there.

His cases on me and iguana seem very genuine.  This is definitely a WW that has been doing work, where I remember scum!WW not going to this much effort honestly.

Unvote

Don't really like Gkrieg any more.

He unvotes and hurts my feelings...
But I think this change is also townie.  Although I guess he would probably do the same thing as scum when he realizes that no one wants to jump on my wagon.

he votes for RR.   

No townreads are strong.. I think Gkrieg is town now, probably Schaad.. maybe Iguana for the third.

Gives these townreads, and you'll notice that schadd and iguana are still his townreads.  This looks a little fishy.

D3 comes out of the gate voting for SA.  I don't think this looks very desperate scum.  They still need to get another mislynch through after this, so I don't think scum would want to stick out like WW does here.

Fine.

I am a 1-shot Vig

(Note my first post of the game.)

I shot Space last night.

Either Space is 1-shot BP (not likely but not impossible, as we apparently have at least 4 PRs), or I was Roleblocked.  Scum certainly has a Roleblocker, though I'm not too sure how likely it is that they would target me.

I forgot that town had Roleblockers, too.  Town RB me would be more likely, given that I've been under suspicion.

Here's the claim. I think the most important part of this claim is where he realizes that a town RB could've targeted him.  I think being open to that option is more likely to come from town that didn't have the opportunity to think about their claim for the whole night while they were planning it in their QT.

He also points out his breadcrumb, which as I've already said earlier is just really weak.

I targeted Space primarily because of Faust's last posts yesterday.

(This is also the reason I prompted Faust to give his reads before end of day.)  RR flipping town means I definitely had to shoot last night, because it would remove me from the lynch pool today.  Also hitting scum was 50/50, not terrible odds.  Shooting town means today would be LyLo, but I'd be verified and we'd have a decent chance.   I'm not certain if I would have shot if RR was scum.. it would depend on reads probably, though it may have been better to save it until tonight.

Faust listed me, Space, Iguana as his primary scum in case RR was town, and Space seemed more likely than Iguana.  I preferred to shoot on his reads, since the chance of Faust having no scum on his scum reads is pretty small.  I also didn't have any really strong read myself to choose someone different.

This is slightly scummy.  I just think anyone that blindly follows IC!faust (ok it wasn't blindly following) just must be scum, especially WW.  Also this does mean that faust really didn't have scum on his reads list unless WW or iguana is scum.

Kind of starts the whole thing against SA on D3.

Ok I've got to go now.  Will finish this up later.





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« Reply #1427 on: October 09, 2016, 03:49:48 pm »

part 2:

 gkrieg
 pros: 897 consistent re: joseph. as in 1102. 1125 it's nice when the ic repeats what you say. 1204 is good.
 cons: 891 smells like trying to be misleading.
 bonus: 1137 dopey, but transparent.
  iguana iguana
 pros: 937 i generally think scum wouldn't bother with this sort of thing. 1099, 1101 tunneling j reggie again. it's funny that it doesn't go anywhere, even after faust agreed. 1149 is fair, has been demonstrated not to be helping a scumpartner. as they said, though, they did the thing he asked. 1156 is transparent. 1165 thanx. 1186 is consistent with what he did i guess. 1321 i guess if he's scum, he has to have access to the vt claim, but that would be pretty likely.
 cons: 916 emphasizes his towniness, seems too excited about it. 924 is some nice scumhunting, but doesn't stick to lalight i think. 942 making himself seem larger again, and making a big deal out of the townreads he said he was surprised by. 1047 waah look at me i'm town. 1053 why would that be more interesting than no one dying and a vig claim? not a fan of 1182, as i said already. kinda strawman-y. 1184 also seems like a "do it. you won't." that uh is a tad too confident. the hammer is, of course, ultimately bad. i'm less harsh on it than i had been—he said he was gonna, gkrieg would have as well, etc—but it is still empirically bad that he did that. D3 sucked but we should have taken more time with it. faust never got to weigh in again. 1303 that doesn't explain why you were uniquely concerned about yourself, and not interested in sorting out ww's claim.
 bonus: 1105 decisively untrue.
  j reggie
 pros: 954 was against the grain of a mislynch. depends on ww, ofc.
 cons: 1117 i'm trying my damnedest not to read into that trailing comma. he ignores lalight. 1129 shows that he's reading the accusatory posts, but he only responds to the one that has an easy response. 1132 the ic votes him, and like nothing becomes of it. 1152 "i'm town because i'm town," does not respond to faust. 1373 i'm town because i'm town. urgient call to arms is i guess justified, though.
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  joseph
 pros: 1064 consistent with being doctor. as is 1135. 1240 waxes as a scumhunter. i uh don't appreciate his defense of me tho.
 cons: 915 seems like more than is necessary, but depends how you look at it i guess. 1082 got baited, except then he voted gkrieg. wut. 1175 is irrelevant, could be looking for reasons to not lynch j reggie. 1232 agree with what lalight said after. 1243 barf. he gave a reason for j reggie, then voted sa, and didn't change it after learning that one of the points against sa was moot. not a fan. i don't think he had articulated much of a position against sa. 1256 apparently agrees with: joseph is bad, ll is bad, igu is weird. 1331 generic doctory thing to say.
 bonus: 923, i dunno. i don't see why one would feel the need to do something goofy like that. same for 1078, seems like a setup to try to claim something later that didn't happen. to me it all feels like he got too excited when people said that he just always reads scummy; as if to say, "the reason all of you are getting a bad impression from me is that i'm ~weird~ and it's my ~meta~." somehow none of these culminated into a quick mislynch.
  lalight
 pros: 907 consistent re: joseph. 1029 thanks for quoting the thing. 1233 nice callout.
 cons: 943 "i'm so town." 1026 c'mon. it had only been an hour. 1170 we actually had <2 scums, and he was voting for the innocent, against the ic. and also angrily trying to speed this mislynch up.
 bonus: 1063 i didn't really like that post either, but i guess there isn't much else to say if you're suddenly the center of attention. 1228 is his attitude about the game. unfortunately would cause him to be read a little negatively.
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 pros: 997 the claim. supported by 51 (which is at least super-risky for fakeclaiming anything except vig, but might perhaps go un-noticed) and 974, as well as a mild amount of activity D1 and D2. i think that it's a super-risky thing to fake, and there has not messed up since the claim—and he's posted a lot. also, the fact that i believe gkrieg supports him as well (as i've said, the only scenario where i'd believe that ww fake claimed was if he knew for a fact that there were at least three VT rolls. the mvp is clear if it's not the case. the several posts at D3 start are also putting himself out there a tad. in 1024 he isn't even that devoted to lynching sa which would be a large part of the point if he fakeclaimed. 1061 again supporting non-"sa is bulletproof" explanations. 1205 is good.
 cons: 1260 i guess i understand that the two people that wanted to hammer were suspicious, but i mean, he was voting for sa as well.
 bonus: 1177 that's what she said.
  digging up graves: 958, for this reason i'm not reading into the rr lynch that much. i think it seemed like a good idea to pretty much all of the town as well as the scum. that said, the wagons are weird, and pull counter to my current scum reads. which is uh kinda annoying. 1211 sa believed ww, 1212 suspected lalight, 1221 believed gkrieg.

this look back has made me more believing of ww, slightly better on igu, slightly worse on lalight, about the same on gkrieg, the smallest tad more accepting of j reggie, and unchanged on joseph.

my cards are on the table. joseph has seemed scummy and distant for a while, which is not easy to survive with—it got rr killed so fast.

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« Reply #1428 on: October 09, 2016, 04:11:03 pm »

l-2. lmao
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« Reply #1429 on: October 09, 2016, 04:28:24 pm »

Guys I'm good.
And Gkrieg is bad.

There aren't 2 full doctors, but you're choosing the wrong person.

Guys. Wtf are we waiting for. vote: Joseph
I'm a doctor.
I know I've played crap, but Gkrieg is scum.
And I'm the true doctor.

You haven't played crap though. And that's your strongest scum tell.
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« Reply #1430 on: October 09, 2016, 04:32:02 pm »

Vote: Joseph
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« Reply #1431 on: October 09, 2016, 04:33:41 pm »

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« Reply #1432 on: October 09, 2016, 04:36:30 pm »

hm

Game over?
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« Reply #1433 on: October 09, 2016, 04:36:56 pm »

(That seemed an awful lot like a scum hammer.)
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« Reply #1434 on: October 09, 2016, 04:38:23 pm »

hm

Game over?

I guess we will see. I'm pretty sure Joseph has to be scum.
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« Reply #1435 on: October 09, 2016, 04:39:31 pm »

hm

Game over?

I guess we will see. I'm pretty sure Joseph has to be scum.

I mean, if you are town, no way he is not scum. I just wanted to make sure we didn't just lose to a team of like you/LaLight/x or something super weird like that.
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« Reply #1436 on: October 09, 2016, 04:40:52 pm »

hm

Game over?
I'm good.
That means game over I guess.
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« Reply #1437 on: October 09, 2016, 04:43:30 pm »

woof.
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« Reply #1438 on: October 09, 2016, 04:47:19 pm »

hm

Game over?
I'm good.
That means game over I guess.

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« Reply #1439 on: October 09, 2016, 04:48:21 pm »

Who are your scumpartners Gkrieg!?!

(I was a town)
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« Reply #1440 on: October 09, 2016, 04:49:15 pm »

well. i don't think a scum would admit to it rn. but yeah, uh, gkrieg, who are your scumpartners
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« Reply #1441 on: October 09, 2016, 04:50:09 pm »

well. i don't think a scum would admit to it rn. but yeah, uh, gkrieg, who are your scumpartners

Clearly schadd and iguana.
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« Reply #1442 on: October 09, 2016, 04:52:33 pm »

well. i don't think a scum would admit to it rn. but yeah, uh, gkrieg, who are your scumpartners

Clearly schadd and iguana.


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« Reply #1443 on: October 09, 2016, 04:55:25 pm »

hm

Game over?

This and then the backpedaling seems like ii is scum. Although I guess if that's the case then we just lost. vote: ii just in case.

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« Reply #1444 on: October 09, 2016, 04:56:10 pm »

I'm calling Gkrieg, Lalight, J Reggie. If I'm right, I want a star.
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« Reply #1445 on: October 09, 2016, 04:56:29 pm »

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« Reply #1446 on: October 09, 2016, 04:57:13 pm »

hm

Game over?

This and then the backpedaling seems like ii is scum. Although I guess if that's the case then we just lost. vote: ii just in case.

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« Reply #1447 on: October 09, 2016, 04:58:17 pm »

Actually I was thinking earlier that gkrieg and Joseph could both be scum, in which case we still have a chance. Like, after this move gkrieg could practically be an IC. If Joseph flips scum, I think we need to lynch gkrieg.

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« Reply #1448 on: October 09, 2016, 04:59:45 pm »

Actually I was thinking earlier that gkrieg and Joseph could both be scum, in which case we still have a chance. Like, after this move gkrieg could practically be an IC. If Joseph flips scum, I think we need to lynch gkrieg.
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« Reply #1449 on: October 09, 2016, 05:00:49 pm »

Actually I was thinking earlier that gkrieg and Joseph could both be scum, in which case we still have a chance. Like, after this move gkrieg could practically be an IC. If Joseph flips scum, I think we need to lynch gkrieg.
I'm town. Game over.

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« Reply #1450 on: October 09, 2016, 05:01:40 pm »

Actually I was thinking earlier that gkrieg and Joseph could both be scum, in which case we still have a chance. Like, after this move gkrieg could practically be an IC. If Joseph flips scum, I think we need to lynch gkrieg.
uh no. that's too much of a swing in the other direction.
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« Reply #1451 on: October 09, 2016, 05:03:42 pm »

Joseph knows better than to claim scum in twilight now  ;)

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« Reply #1452 on: October 09, 2016, 05:10:34 pm »

wow. Let's see what we will get here. I think vote: JReggie for the next day.
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« Reply #1453 on: October 09, 2016, 05:55:45 pm »

Why did anyone vote?

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« Reply #1454 on: October 09, 2016, 06:01:41 pm »

i was confident that joseph was bad guys, and i didn't think that there could be anything that would change my mind from that, especially considering i had reread already. my posts so far would have been consistent with a vote and there you go.
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« Reply #1455 on: October 09, 2016, 07:04:06 pm »

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« Reply #1456 on: October 09, 2016, 07:07:16 pm »

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« Reply #1457 on: October 09, 2016, 07:07:19 pm »

Day 4 Final Vote Count:

Joseph (4): LaLight, schadd, iguana, gkrieg13

Not Voting (3): WW, Joseph, J Reggie

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« Reply #1458 on: October 09, 2016, 07:09:41 pm »

Joseph has been lynched!  He was Princess Mononoke, the Serial Killer!  Night 4 begins now!
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« Reply #1459 on: October 09, 2016, 07:13:09 pm »

Not really.  The world as we loved it has ended...

Joseph was Granmamare, a Doctor.

J Reggie (Yubaba, The Godfather), LaLight (Eboshi, the 1-Shot Bulletproof Roleblocker), and gkrieg13 (Kushana, the Strongman Goon) win flawlessly!
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« Reply #1461 on: October 09, 2016, 07:15:56 pm »

Mafia: https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/q2DK6iaEtpwfM

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« Reply #1462 on: October 09, 2016, 07:17:52 pm »

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« Reply #1463 on: October 09, 2016, 07:18:55 pm »

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« Reply #1464 on: October 09, 2016, 07:19:04 pm »

EEECVM for those who are curious.
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« Reply #1465 on: October 09, 2016, 07:20:21 pm »

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« Reply #1466 on: October 09, 2016, 07:23:01 pm »

okay, you got me, I don't know much about probability theories, I'm in a minority of humanitarians on this site.

Nevertheless I didn't count this as "he can't be the scum three times in a row so he's town". It was just my (false) observation. I don't really trust him.


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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Game over.
« Reply #1467 on: October 09, 2016, 07:41:55 pm »

yeah i think my reads at the end of that game were


1. joseph (i guess gkrieg strongly townreading me seemed too risky as scum, but i guess the other big source of suspicion on me was lalight)
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3. lalight
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« Reply #1468 on: October 09, 2016, 07:43:41 pm »

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I like schadd. I hope he sticks around.
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« Reply #1469 on: October 09, 2016, 07:45:36 pm »

see, this is what happens when you mislynch me day 1.

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« Reply #1470 on: October 09, 2016, 07:50:14 pm »

see, this is what happens when you mislynch me day 1.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Game over.
« Reply #1471 on: October 09, 2016, 07:58:55 pm »

I got so much suspicion for pushing J Reggie and LaLight! Oh my goodness. And it wasn't even from the scum team, it was from the other townies! YOU GUYS

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« Reply #1472 on: October 09, 2016, 07:59:18 pm »

At least I called the scum team with 100% accuracy exactly when it didn't matter anymore  8)
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Game over.
« Reply #1473 on: October 09, 2016, 08:09:21 pm »

I'm really glad I didn't have to finish my reread of WW.  That guy is hard to read even when you know his alignment.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Game over.
« Reply #1474 on: October 09, 2016, 08:10:41 pm »

Mafia: https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/q2DK6iaEtpwfM

gkrieg13 gets MVP for never drawing suspicion most of the game and a ridiculous fake claim.

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« Reply #1475 on: October 09, 2016, 08:11:57 pm »

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« Reply #1476 on: October 09, 2016, 08:17:11 pm »

so, gkrieg, i'm pretty sure i knew that 1398 was exaggerated and more of a public declaration that you were, like, trying to ally with me than a proper readpost (for example "good claim, good timing." what does that even mean), but i didn't think it was suspicious thusly (for some reason). what was your thought process there?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Game over.
« Reply #1477 on: October 09, 2016, 08:19:54 pm »

so, gkrieg, i'm pretty sure i knew that 1398 was exaggerated and more of a public declaration that you were, like, trying to ally with me than a proper readpost (for example "good claim, good timing." what does that even mean), but i didn't think it was suspicious thusly (for some reason). what was your thought process there?

I honestly just thought that I had to look like I was doing something.  I knew Joseph wasn't going to do a big reread post, so I thought that if I did, someone would think that I was townier than him.
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« Reply #1478 on: October 09, 2016, 08:33:47 pm »

hm. well, i got seduced
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Game over.
« Reply #1479 on: October 09, 2016, 09:28:53 pm »

gg! Lalight played a great game as well. Also it was really fun playing with schadd, sorry we couldn't be on the same team!

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« Reply #1480 on: October 09, 2016, 10:11:02 pm »

Mafia: https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/q2DK6iaEtpwfM

gkrieg13 gets MVP for never drawing suspicion most of the game and a ridiculous fake claim.

Hey sometimes the more ridiculous the fakeclaim, the better.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 4.
« Reply #1481 on: October 09, 2016, 10:11:38 pm »

Not really.  The world as we loved it has ended...

Joseph was Granmamare, a Doctor.

J Reggie (Yubaba, The Godfather), LaLight (Eboshi, the 1-Shot Bulletproof Roleblocker), and gkrieg13 (Kushana, the Strongman Goon) win flawlessly!


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« Reply #1482 on: October 09, 2016, 10:12:28 pm »

Not really.  The world as we loved it has ended...

Joseph was Granmamare, a Doctor.

J Reggie (Yubaba, The Godfather), LaLight (Eboshi, the 1-Shot Bulletproof Roleblocker), and gkrieg13 (Kushana, the Strongman Goon) win flawlessly!


Wait a second.. wasn't I adamant about lynching J Reggie and LaLight on Day 1? :(

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« Reply #1483 on: October 09, 2016, 10:14:43 pm »

Not really.  The world as we loved it has ended...

Joseph was Granmamare, a Doctor.

J Reggie (Yubaba, The Godfather), LaLight (Eboshi, the 1-Shot Bulletproof Roleblocker), and gkrieg13 (Kushana, the Strongman Goon) win flawlessly!


Wait a second.. wasn't I adamant about lynching J Reggie and LaLight on Day 1? :(

Me too bro, me too.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Game over.
« Reply #1484 on: October 09, 2016, 10:15:54 pm »

Ya I didn't think we were going to be able to keep the whole team together, but I think we would have lost if we hadn't gotten the Joseph lynch through this last day
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Game over.
« Reply #1485 on: October 09, 2016, 10:59:52 pm »

Can't believe I got lynched
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Game over.
« Reply #1486 on: October 09, 2016, 11:01:33 pm »

I even scumslipped D1 and no one noticed!

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« Reply #1487 on: October 09, 2016, 11:01:49 pm »

Can't believe I got lynched

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Game over.
« Reply #1488 on: October 09, 2016, 11:14:06 pm »

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I was worried about this and was surprised no one noticed it. I wonder if I would have noticed it as town?

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #1489 on: October 09, 2016, 11:28:31 pm »

Could everyone state their top 3 townreads (other than me)?

Sorry I hadn't done this yet! I think gkrieg and J Reggie are up there. I'm still leaning very townie on LaLight...

I was very happy when I read this post.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Game over.
« Reply #1490 on: October 09, 2016, 11:58:39 pm »

Also very sorry SA. You were just the perfect mislynch target
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« Reply #1491 on: October 10, 2016, 01:17:09 am »

This setup has been very good to me.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Game over.
« Reply #1492 on: October 10, 2016, 01:45:17 am »

Oh man, this was so hard but so interesting! Thank youo for game, everyone. Now I think, I won't be able to hide under my newbieness anymore. I was so glad being townread by most of the people. Thanks again! And thanks to my teammates too. My first scum game went well.
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« Reply #1493 on: October 10, 2016, 08:49:16 am »

Also very sorry SA. You were just the perfect mislynch target

I have so much pent-up OMGUS!! :-P
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« Reply #1494 on: October 10, 2016, 08:50:12 am »

Oh man, this was so hard but so interesting! Thank youo for game, everyone. Now I think, I won't be able to hide under my newbieness anymore. I was so glad being townread by most of the people. Thanks again! And thanks to my teammates too. My first scum game went well.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #1495 on: October 10, 2016, 08:54:56 am »

okay, you got me, I don't know much about probability theories, I'm in a minority of humanitarians on this site.

Nevertheless I didn't count this as "he can't be the scum three times in a row so he's town". It was just my (false) observation. I don't really trust him.


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39% for a letter to appear once

24,5% to appear 2 times
8% to appear 3 times
1,5% to appear 4 times
0,15% to appear 5 times

0,0064% to appear 6 times

Also, where on earth did these numbers come from?? :-P
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #1496 on: October 10, 2016, 09:00:32 am »

okay, you got me, I don't know much about probability theories, I'm in a minority of humanitarians on this site.

Nevertheless I didn't count this as "he can't be the scum three times in a row so he's town". It was just my (false) observation. I don't really trust him.


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39% for a letter to appear once

24,5% to appear 2 times
8% to appear 3 times
1,5% to appear 4 times
0,15% to appear 5 times

0,0064% to appear 6 times

Also, where on earth did these numbers come from?? :-P

What is wrong with the numbers? I spent the entire morning to count those!
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« Reply #1497 on: October 10, 2016, 09:32:58 am »

okay, you got me, I don't know much about probability theories, I'm in a minority of humanitarians on this site.

Nevertheless I didn't count this as "he can't be the scum three times in a row so he's town". It was just my (false) observation. I don't really trust him.


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39% for a letter to appear once

24,5% to appear 2 times
8% to appear 3 times
1,5% to appear 4 times
0,15% to appear 5 times

0,0064% to appear 6 times

Also, where on earth did these numbers come from?? :-P

What is wrong with the numbers? I spent the entire morning to count those!

Different letters had different probabilities, for one thing! What you want to do to work numbers like these out is to use the Binomial distribution with n=6 rolls and set k to be the number of times you want that letter to appear. Then set p to be the probability of that letter appearing, which is 0.5 for T, 0.05 for C and D, and 0.1 for M, V, B and E.

Because of the weirdness with the "E" letters, there are a few game states that you can arrive at from multiple different letter roles, so what you probably care about more is the probability of having a doctor (or whichever role you're worried about) in the game.. there are just over 1900 different game states (I fudged my count a bit so that masons with and without using up the UB are counted separately), so that's a more complicated distribution to calculate, and you probably don't want to be doing it by hand :-)
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #1498 on: October 10, 2016, 09:34:12 am »

okay, you got me, I don't know much about probability theories, I'm in a minority of humanitarians on this site.

Nevertheless I didn't count this as "he can't be the scum three times in a row so he's town". It was just my (false) observation. I don't really trust him.

I did not count T's, I knew there wasn't one.

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39% for a letter to appear once

24,5% to appear 2 times
8% to appear 3 times
1,5% to appear 4 times
0,15% to appear 5 times

0,0064% to appear 6 times

Also, where on earth did these numbers come from?? :-P

What is wrong with the numbers? I spent the entire morning to count those!

Different letters had different probabilities, for one thing! What you want to do to work numbers like these out is to use the Binomial distribution with n=6 rolls and set k to be the number of times you want that letter to appear. Then set p to be the probability of that letter appearing, which is 0.5 for T, 0.05 for C and D, and 0.1 for M, V, B and E.

Because of the weirdness with the "E" letters, there are a few game states that you can arrive at from multiple different letter roles, so what you probably care about more is the probability of having a doctor (or whichever role you're worried about) in the game.. there are just over 1900 different game states (I fudged my count a bit so that masons with and without using up the UB are counted separately), so that's a more complicated distribution to calculate, and you probably don't want to be doing it by hand :-)
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Game over.
« Reply #1499 on: October 10, 2016, 10:29:25 am »

Well played, scum!
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Game over.
« Reply #1500 on: October 10, 2016, 11:10:50 am »

Can't believe I got lynched
Can't believe you didn't use 1-shot cop N1 and target ss. That literally would have been so good.
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« Reply #1501 on: October 10, 2016, 11:34:27 am »

why me?

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« Reply #1502 on: October 10, 2016, 11:44:09 am »

why me?
You were obvious N1 target. And I tried to save you.
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« Reply #1503 on: October 10, 2016, 02:13:08 pm »

And ffs, gkrieg was the strongman.
Should have stuck to my gut D2- I knew WW or Gkrieg had killed ss N1.
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« Reply #1504 on: October 10, 2016, 02:26:19 pm »

And ffs, gkrieg was the strongman.
Should have stuck to my gut D2- I knew WW or Gkrieg had killed ss N1.

I am still perplexed by this theory of yours.  Why was it WW or me being scum?
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« Reply #1505 on: October 10, 2016, 03:23:19 pm »

And ffs, gkrieg was the strongman.
Should have stuck to my gut D2- I knew WW or Gkrieg had killed ss N1.

I am still perplexed by this theory of yours.  Why was it WW or me being scum?
Most experienced players in the game.
To a player who's played a lot, faust & ss are usually the best lynches N1.
But faust had some suspicious on him, ss didn't, ergo experienced players would lynch ss.

As ss was lynched, I went backwards through the logic above, and deduced that an experienced player was scum.
WW & you are the 2 most experienced players I believe (excluding faust, who was obv!town by D2, and possibly me), ergo 1 of you is scum.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Game over.
« Reply #1506 on: October 10, 2016, 03:31:51 pm »

you mean killed? I wasn't lynched.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Game over.
« Reply #1507 on: October 10, 2016, 03:54:40 pm »

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Game over.
« Reply #1508 on: October 10, 2016, 05:26:18 pm »

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Game over.
« Reply #1509 on: October 10, 2016, 09:48:05 pm »

In case anyone didn't read the scum cutie yet - can you find my scumslip?

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Game over.
« Reply #1510 on: October 10, 2016, 09:56:50 pm »

In case anyone didn't read the scum cutie yet - can you find my scumslip?
i think i noticed it at the time and didn't care
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Game over.
« Reply #1511 on: October 10, 2016, 09:57:15 pm »

it's like raaaeeaaaaaaaaiiin on your wedding day
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #1512 on: August 12, 2018, 01:03:27 pm »

I wouldn't at all be surprised if our three wagons are T/T/T

if you want to start a CfD on RR, I'd be in.

I don't know what is CfD. Wagon?
I actually also don't know what the letters stand for

It means starting an out-of-nowhere wagon on someone close to the deadline and getting him lynched instead of the current wagons. Good if the current wagons aren't.
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