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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #750 on: September 20, 2016, 11:57:31 am »

Don't have time to case but I do see it independent of Faust. Read his iso?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #751 on: September 20, 2016, 11:58:01 am »

Ok, has someone presented a case for Joseph or is he just scummy as usual? Because I'd be willing to listen to an actual case on him, but this looks like just the same as yesterday. Just because Faust is IC doesn't mean he's always right.

I mean he has grown scummier today.  He seems a lot more calculated like he was the last time he was scum and we almost mislynched Seprix over him.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #752 on: September 20, 2016, 11:58:43 am »

@faust, do you think I'm barking up the wrong tree at post#700, or is it a valid worry?

Why do you ask me?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #753 on: September 20, 2016, 11:59:38 am »

So I have a question for Faust. Were you trying to intentionally play scummy D1, or did it just come across that way?
I tried to play differently in hopes of not being nightkilled. I don't think it was scummy.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #754 on: September 20, 2016, 12:56:19 pm »

@faust, do you think I'm barking up the wrong tree at post#700, or is it a valid worry?

Why do you ask me?
you are the person with a quality
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #755 on: September 20, 2016, 12:57:53 pm »

@faust, do you think I'm barking up the wrong tree at post#700, or is it a valid worry?

Why do you ask me?

Because it's generally being ignored as far as I can tell. I don't know if that's because my reasoning is silly, or because people are just more interested in other bits of the conversation. If it's the former and you say so, I'm more likely to believe it's not worth pursuing, because your IC status means I expect you not to have a hidden agenda. Also, if nobody's really noticing it and then I die, this way at least I know someone's read it.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #756 on: September 20, 2016, 01:10:35 pm »

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #757 on: September 20, 2016, 01:31:03 pm »

@faust, do you think I'm barking up the wrong tree at post#700, or is it a valid worry?

Why do you ask me?

Because it's generally being ignored as far as I can tell. I don't know if that's because my reasoning is silly, or because people are just more interested in other bits of the conversation. If it's the former and you say so, I'm more likely to believe it's not worth pursuing, because your IC status means I expect you not to have a hidden agenda. Also, if nobody's really noticing it and then I die, this way at least I know someone's read it.
I read it. That's all you need to know. Now, I would rather you create interactions with each other than interact with me.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #758 on: September 20, 2016, 01:33:13 pm »

I want the people voting for Joseph to explain themselves.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #759 on: September 20, 2016, 01:36:13 pm »

I want the people voting for Joseph to explain themselves.

I feel like I already did.  His behavior D1 was very town!Joseph.  Doesn't make a lot of sense, kind of airy.

D2, he is very different.  It feels a lot more like he did in his last scum game.  Very calculated and a lot less Josephy. 
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #760 on: September 20, 2016, 01:50:46 pm »

So he forgot to keep up the charade?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #761 on: September 20, 2016, 01:53:19 pm »

Anyone feel

Vote: Iguana ?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #762 on: September 20, 2016, 01:55:42 pm »

I don't know. I didn't play with Joseph much, he was kinda scummy to me D1 and became more scummy D2. His list is strange, like, he really put the towniest people into his lynchpool. Someone here told that he's just Joseph!Joseph but again, I don't know much about his play and if to judge from what I see, he's really scummy. I will try and find now some his posts that made me think so.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #763 on: September 20, 2016, 01:56:52 pm »

Anyone feel

Vote: Iguana ?

Iguana is kinda angry-on-something town. I don't know why and what happened still, but he's probably town.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #764 on: September 20, 2016, 01:59:18 pm »

Why do you say that?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 1.
« Reply #765 on: September 20, 2016, 02:00:43 pm »


Here's my old lynch list- I'll review it properly some point.
faust is clearly town now, as were ss and mail-mi.
Man, these reads look so bad with hindsight
Why did you post this?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #766 on: September 20, 2016, 02:12:36 pm »

Vote Count 2.2:

Joseph2302 (3): LaLight, iguanaiguana, gkrieg13
Roadrunner7671 (1): schadd
iguanaiguana (1): Witherweaver

Not Voting (5): faust, Roadrunner7671, Joseph2302, SpaceAnemone, J Reggie

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Day 2 ends on September 28 at 4:00 a.m. forum time.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #767 on: September 20, 2016, 02:17:49 pm »

Here comes my first reread in a lifetime!

Joseph. D1

His first post:


My favourite ice-cream is honeycomb

The second one:


Guys, you caught me.
I'm the SK again

More fluff (actually nothing but fluff from the start):

Yay the forum is back.
Vote: fds for trying to hold up this game and inhibit discussion. Obvious scum tell.
Faust wagon:

Let's start a good wagon:

Vote: faust

More faust wagon:

Faust usually isn't *this* fluffy though.
So why do you think me being more fluffy than usual means that I'm scum?
I believe it does.
I have reasons, but since you asked mail-mi, I'll let him respond first.

And 4 pages between these two messages.

Then the list:

Lynch list:

1. Witherweaver - null to mildly town
2. LaLight - lots of content, pro-town
3. silverspawn - not a lot there
4. gkrieg13 - put mail-mi on L-1, which isn't great. Not a lot else
5. faust - leaning towards scum
6. Roadrunner7671 - for the first time in forever, don't think he's scum
7. Joseph2302 - me. Absolutely no useful content so far
8. SpaceAnemone - mild town read on them, from very little content
9. J Reggie - trying to get the game moving early, and decently towny with most other things
10. schadd - lots of short posts, kind of null
11. iguanaiguana - mild town read
12. mail-mi - his wagon seemed a bit too easy for my liking. As he hasn't done anything super-scummy, it's likely there was scum on the wagon, and therefore more likely that he's town. Also seems different to the scum!mail-mi in a previous game

He defends mail-mi and it's a good thing, idk why should he do this as scum.

Is this silence because I'm in another timezone or because noone has nothing to say? Deadline is close, we need to decide something
Both.
I agree, we need to do something.
I suggested things, it's just people didn't like them.

I didn't see such things.

Again:

My preference for these 3 wagons is:
(Most wanted first)

faust
Mail-mi
JReggie

Normally faust is different to this.
In my mind, if you're scum then it's likely a mislynch will happen, so you need to commit less effort.
On the other hand, if you're town, it takes more effort to find scum.

I don't know how to react on this one:

Normally faust is different to this.
In my mind, if you're scum then it's likely a mislynch will happen, so you need to commit less effort.
On the other hand, if you're town, it takes more effort to find scum.
Again, this is not how I play as scum. Every time you think "someone is different than normal", your first reaction should be that that's a townie sign.
I play different almost every game, and no-one assumes I'm towny all the time.

I don't like going after RR D1, for similar but opposite reasons that I don't like going after Faust. At least, not today. He gets a D1 pass from me.
I don't like D1 lynching RR again.

Why?

Worth noting: a majority (7) isn't needed to lynch.
The person with most votes at deadline dies.

Vote: mail-mi

Faust isn't happening, and I really think JReggie is town.
More so than mail-mi

And that's the end of D1. Nothing really useful.

D2:
Rules clarifications at most:

Also, this tells us a little about the setup.

Either:
(1). There was 1 M roll, and faust is lying (seems unlikely to me)
(2). There were (at least) 3 M rolls, which means we have at most 3 other PRs

Also, this tells us a little about the setup.

Either:
(1). There was 1 M roll, and faust is lying (seems unlikely to me)
(2). There were (at least) 3 M rolls, which means we have at most 3 other PRs

I think you don't understand the setup.

Why? Isn't he right?

No. It's impossible to have only one Mason. What good is that? If one m were rolled, the ub would convert to a Mason.
Oh. In which case there would be 2 Masons (the one randomly chosen & the UB). Course.


also, does the fact that only one person died mean that someone doctored? if i understand the setup correctly, there is supposed to be 3 scum and two people die nightly. if somebody did doctor, any speculations on who was saved? all things considered, the very likely candidate is faust; as i mentioned, they seemed maybe not scummy but definitely like they knew something, and scum may have presumed that to mean they were masons. in which case, silverspawn also assumed that they knew—this (following) post makes more sense with that in mind.
I'm afraid mail-mi will flip town and then I'll get NKd as the least suspicious person and will be out of the game :(
this is so spicy, you guys. we are gonna have to reread silverspawn a lot of times.

There's only 1 kill, unless there's a serial killer.
Scum may choose someone to kill, and SK (if they exist) can do as well.

Correction:

There's no SK in the setup.
There might be a vigilante though, who would be able to kill.

Apart from that, 1 death per night, which could be stopped by a doctor.
Unless mafia use strongman ability, which nulls the doctor effect.

IDK what to think about mafia QT mentioning:


i'm also incidentally pretty suspicious of me.
Really, because I'm not.
If you were scum, you would have asked your "Do 2 people die at night?" question in the mafia QT, rather than here.

More rules clarifications:


there's other stuff that makes me feel like you have a much better handle on things than you're saying
thank you
Haha, don't thank me yet... One thing that's making me quite suspicious is that you have the only use of the word "townslip" in this entire thread, which isn't really a very newbie sort of thing to come out with unless you were coached in a scum QT or something...
that is a term that i came up with while pooping. is it a real thing?
Yes it's a real term.

having read the rules, it says that dead players can't post anywhere except in their role qt. can ss still say stuff in the mason qt? that seems like it would be kinda silly


also, for the life of me i can't find where the rules might say how many people die each night.
No dead masons can't post in the QT.

He pledged but somehow didn't pledge:

So, the weekend is over, and it's time for ou guys to put in some work, make cases, and such things. I have thoughts, but I will not reveal them. Instead, I want everyone to take the following pledge:

"If there is no lynch 12 hours before deadline, I will vote for whoever faust decides we should lynch."
/pledge
Although hopefully we'll have more meaningful discussion than just sheep the IC

Bringing attention to his list again. Why?

Lynch list:

1. Witherweaver - null to mildly town
2. LaLight - lots of content, pro-town
3. silverspawn - not a lot there
4. gkrieg13 - put mail-mi on L-1, which isn't great. Not a lot else
5. faust - leaning towards scum
6. Roadrunner7671 - for the first time in forever, don't think he's scum
7. Joseph2302 - me. Absolutely no useful content so far
8. SpaceAnemone - mild town read on him, from very little content
9. J Reggie - trying to get the game moving early, and decently towny with most other things
10. schadd - lots of short posts, kind of null
11. iguanaiguana - mild town read
12. mail-mi - his wagon seemed a bit too easy for my liking. As he hasn't done anything super-scummy, it's likely there was scum on the wagon, and therefore more likely that he's town. Also seems different to the scum!mail-mi in a previous game
Here's my old lynch list- I'll review it properly some point.
faust is clearly town now, as were ss and mail-mi.
Man, these reads look so bad with hindsight

I think this is just strange:

Going to bed now, but a serious, thought-provoking question before I do.

If you were scum, who would you have killed N1?

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #768 on: September 20, 2016, 02:25:39 pm »

or is he playing like this every time? somebody tell me plz
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #769 on: September 20, 2016, 02:58:18 pm »

the several things that you say are strange don't seem especially strange to me.
rules clarifications are fine, why do people care about rules clarifications? their only bad thing is that they're not a better contribution to town. and well, it would seem like he's trying to make up for that with a read list.
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« Reply #770 on: September 20, 2016, 03:01:10 pm »

the several things that you say are strange don't seem especially strange to me.
rules clarifications are fine, why do people care about rules clarifications? their only bad thing is that they're not a better contribution to town. and well, it would seem like he's trying to make up for that with a read list.

Rule clarifications are fine! But there are too many and at the beginning of D2 there was nothing but them.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #771 on: September 20, 2016, 03:02:27 pm »

And well, I'm not trying to point you on some obvious things. These are just my thoughts and suspicions. If you tell me he's playing like this every time, fine.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #772 on: September 20, 2016, 05:49:06 pm »

Finally an actual case on Joseph. I don't know if his D2 being different from his D1 is necessarily scummy, but it's better than just "let's vote Joseph because he's Joseph".

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #773 on: September 20, 2016, 06:19:29 pm »

I have no idea where the notion that Joseph was townie on D1 comes from. Can anyone who thinks that lay out in a bit more detail why they think that?
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« Reply #774 on: September 20, 2016, 06:36:13 pm »

rr (hasn't bitten in the strategy/analysis of the board like the rest of us fish and has otherwise not really said much that i can remember, which is especially odd considering this post)
butts, another correction, i meant to link this post


I have no idea where the notion that Joseph was townie on D1 comes from. Can anyone who thinks that lay out in a bit more detail why they think that?
yeah, actually, now that i think about it he seems kinda yucky. his posts consisted of a lot of inane comments/descriptions of what was going on that sorta gives me the sense of "i feel like i'm supposed to be saying stuff" rather than "i want to push the game in motion."
  i still would prioritize an investigation of rr (his issues are like an amplified version of the ones we're finding with joseph) but, uh, joseph has been promoted to the kinda tier. i don't want to vote for him at the moment (i'm realizing how scary it is to have this many scum in the voterbase, and it is maybe easier for 2 people to coordinate a non-suspicious hammer than 3? but, ofc, i've never witnessed this scenario so i dunno)
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