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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1250 on: October 03, 2016, 04:57:56 pm »

That's hammer?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1251 on: October 03, 2016, 04:58:44 pm »



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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1252 on: October 03, 2016, 04:58:55 pm »

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1253 on: October 03, 2016, 05:09:01 pm »

Oh Crap! Guys, you idiots!
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1254 on: October 03, 2016, 05:09:55 pm »

Here's all the rest of the re-reads I've been working on this evening... wasn't keeping up in real time because I was too busy reading and copy-pasting :-(

Schadd re-read
Only 96 posts overall, which fewer than the people I've done re-reads on lately, though probably more than me still.

Opens by voting faust, and then has a weird mafia-school thing going on with him. Null?
#103 Votes Mail-mi.
#113 Tells LL to go die in a fire. Rather less friendly than other people's treatment of him!!
Jokes with Iguana and J Reggie about flavour and claiming.
#164: "why does there want to be wagons? what is the consensus on lynching someone right out the gates all the way" -- newbie points?
#179: "i'm still on the boat of voting mail-mi. ... i kinda fancy myself not a dope"
#193 more joking with JR
#230 Votes LL. Also could be experimenting with WIFOM with his whole "scummy self" description.
#232 Unvotes after LL's very defencive explanation.
#262 Votes Joseph, in response to his vote on faust.
More joking about mafia school and RR saying things.
#359: "if not for fluff i probably wouldn't be saying much at all, because of the not knowing things and stuff." -- yup, he's quite fluffy.
#441 Votes JR.
#442: "oh also tell me when i have habits that are generally agreed upon to not be helpful for the townsfolk" -- this didn't go down well with Silver!
#500 Agrees with Iguana on JR; town-reads Mail-mi, sort of.
#502 Catches JR out on saying he'd been first on the Mail-mi lynch. Hmm, maybe townpoints for that?
#511 Admits to sheeping Iguana a bit.
#672 Fishing for Mason QT info and also thinking that two people should have died in the night. Odd post.
#677: "i am glad that you answered but you should've waited so that someone else could say "no, we can only kill one person a night"" -- This looks like a set-up maybe, though I guess it depends how hard you're already squinting at Joseph and schadd.
#683: "i'm also incidentally pretty suspicious of me." -- fishing for responses?
#685: "whoops! townslip" -- I don't like this! Also, it's in response to a comment from Joseph, and I think the two of them could have a coaching/set-up thing going on behind the scenes.
#698 "that is a term that i came up with while pooping. is it a real thing?" -- His response to me calling out the "townslip" thing. Dislike, and not just for fecal matter.
#739 Giant post for schadd. His scum-to-town list seems to be {WW, Iguana, RR}, {LL, Joseph}, {Gkrieg, me, JR}, himself and Faust. Silver & Mail-mi were dead by then. Votes RR.
#777 Extensive thinking about how a team of thre scums should operate. Might be handy to think about for newbie scums!
#781 Tries to explain to WW what he thinks the scum players were doing during Mail-mi's mislynch. Uses "~manipulated~" with flaily little arms...
#787 This is the part where Joseph and LaLight seem to be building up the "schadd townslipped" idea in everyone's mind, and he's joking about downplaying it while secretly playing along by drawing in more attention.
#790 .. and some more townpoint grabs.
#801 Cheers about gkrieg townreading him. Accidental tiny-text thing.
#892 Over-long explanation of an RR vote?
#912 Gives Gkrieg, me and LaLight as his top town reads, and also says that J Reggie is up there.
#1043 Comes out as "sophie the 1-shot doctor" who targeted faust last night. I wonder whether scums were given fake claims.
#1079 Another long post, trying to make a start at breaking down probabilities for various game states.
#1081 Counts of posts for each player. I look bad here, but he's not that much better, and I suspect more of his have been short pieces of fluff.
#1159 Longer setup analysis post. I should check through his maths, but I also don't think any issues in his reasoning there would be likely to be scumtells.
#1169 Hey, he's still townreading me, kind of. I definitely understand the temptation to look at the numbers rather than the social interactions :-) He bolds my word "lucky", though -- actually it's luckyfor town not to have a town player killed by a vig, so I think that should be a point in favour of me, not against!
#1163 Admits to being nervous and confused.
#1166 I agree that the gamestate analysis is actually useful at the moment, since a lot of people's scumreads are being informed by gut feelings about the probabilities of having certain roles in the game anyway. I think town points for schadd here actually.
#1192 Hey, is he actually defending me here a little? Hmm. Also good for suggesting care needs to be taken over what PRs claim.

Dammit.. not as much scum material to point at there as I'd expected really. But he's also hiding behind a lot of jokes and selfconsiousness.



Iguana Re-read
#30 RVS on schadd.
#74 Onto Faust, still RVSing.
#98: "LaLight seems just like town LaLight from the last game."
#102: "I'm just a town with some mildly funny flavor text actually."
#120: "Schadd is town."
#151 votes Joseph.
#154 votes faust (after J Reggie complains that a joseph wagon is too easy)
#204 votes Mail-mi once that wagon picks up (shortly after Silver).
#276: "Who's the scum in this one? I've been traveling so I haven't been able to keep up and looks like town is being lazy in my absence maybe." -- trying to push the game on, or just to look that way?
#307 Backs up faust's reasoning and seems sensible.
#309 Wants overanalyzing newbie me back :-P
#312 Says his QT has a funny joke in it.
#315 Warns newbies not to trifle with WW, dismissing my arguments on him.
#316 More game-pushing, scumreads LL, faust and me more than others. Votes faust. His reads aren't looking good here!
#323 Talking about his QT again.
#360 Getting quite forceful about some questions that weren't terribly obvious. Kind of attention-grabby and trying to look like he's pushing things along? Or maybe just actually pushing things along. It's hard to be sure!
#362 Asks gkrieg what he's up to and why he should be town.
#368 Says gkrieg is one of his stronger townreads.
#372/#373: "When everyone looks like town, probably Faust is scum."/"And probably silverspawn is his partner"
#375 townreads mail-mi.
#399 points out towny frame of mine from an LL quote.
#415 unvotes faust.
#417 Reads post: town on LL, Gkrieg & M-m, maybes on Faust, WW, SS & Schadd, leaving RR, Joseph, me and JR, so votes JR.
#418/#419/#422/496 Pushing JR for being extra-stally and having similar MO to Duel Mafia.
#525/528 Calls RR out for unvoting close to a deadline.
#557 D1 pass for RR.
#667: "Just kill me or lynch or whatever turns out I don't have time to deal with this level of nonsense." -- something odd happened.
#670#/671 Says he'll just sheep Faust (having noticed Silver's dead).
#706 Says he's VLA for the week.
#725 Says he can't tell us about his flavour text without claiming, in response to faust's probe.
#748 Votes joseph, seems happier.
#789 Towns from yesterday are still towns (LL & Gkrieg, presumably?), and Joseph is scummy.
#870: "LaLight is coming off scummy here" after intent to hammer on WW.
#916: "wtf I'm being townread?"
#924 Iguana has a scum!LL theory, which I agree with now, though probably didn't at the time it was posted.
#925: "My top towns would be Schadd > Gkrieg > SpaceA" -- hey, howcome I didn't notice he didn't hate me at this point? He also has "Scums seem to be LaLight, Joseph, WW.".
#935 stuff from abig post he lost somewhere. Gkrieg is his top town, but he missed him off the end town ranking, which is Faust > II > Schadd > Space, with null for JR & WW, and top scums are LL, Joseph and RR.
#936 votes LL.
#938-#940 Lots of questions on others' reads.
#942 Slightly ragey post asking where everyone is. Feels a little bit like it's too attention-seeking to be real (which is possibly how I read it at first), but I guess it's possible he's just genuine.
#951: "It just always scares me when the lynchpool is the two most commonly mislynched players : /" -- in response to a suggestion that Joseph might be a better choice, given how unimpressed he was with the idea of an RR wagon.
#957 Votes RR anyway, though!
#936 Some unfortunate wagon analysis making him believe in RR's wagon. I guess there's a good chance both wagons were town, though.
#1053 Pointing out he was faust's stop scumread at the ehnd of the preivous day.
#1059 Convinced WW is town.
#1099 Giving Schadd a game pass -- dislike! Townreading LL, too. I can see the logic through which he boils his scum choices down, but there's got to be a flaw in it somewhere if he's landing on me as scum. I still think Joseph, LL and Schadd is at least a possibility. Maybe sub JR in for Schadd or LL at a pinch.
#1101: "Can everyone read the like 6 short posts that J Reggie has made so far in D3 and tell me with a straight face that they are not super scummy?" -- it hadn't occurred to me previously that they sound anything other than confused, TBH.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1255 on: October 03, 2016, 05:11:15 pm »

I agree that Joseph's almost certainly scum.
I think LL probably is.
I don't know why Iguana makes so much of his QT text... he seems really towny to me, but that's bothering me.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1256 on: October 03, 2016, 05:17:12 pm »

I agree that Joseph's almost certainly scum.
I think LL probably is.
I don't know why Iguana makes so much of his QT text... he seems really towny to me, but that's bothering me.
So you're good?
Well that's confusing....
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1257 on: October 03, 2016, 05:17:57 pm »

Joseph: SA is not a he. Use they or she instead.
Noted.
I'm actually surprised I used he, as I usually use they.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1258 on: October 03, 2016, 05:19:09 pm »

Iguana re-read was meant to conclude that he seems like pretty strong town, and that I agree with a lot of what he was saying.

This is something approximating my last read order, from scum to town: Joseph, LaLight, Schadd, J Reggie, WW, Iguana, Gkgrieg, Faust.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1259 on: October 03, 2016, 05:20:19 pm »

This is kind of annoying.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1260 on: October 03, 2016, 05:20:58 pm »

I think one of Iguana or Gkrieg has to be.. probably Iguana.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1261 on: October 03, 2016, 05:22:01 pm »

This is kind of annoying.

Yes, for all towns, but for me especially! I finally cleared a couple of evenings to read things and spent ages trying to get my head around it all, and this happens :-(

Though you trying to vig me last night wasn't very town-friendly either...
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1262 on: October 03, 2016, 05:22:59 pm »

This is kind of annoying.

Yes, for all towns, but for me especially! I finally cleared a couple of evenings to read things and spent ages trying to get my head around it all, and this happens :-(

Though you trying to vig me last night wasn't very town-friendly either...

Hm, I think it was, actually.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1263 on: October 03, 2016, 05:26:36 pm »

Joseph: SA is not a he. Use they or she instead.
Noted.
I'm actually surprised I used he, as I usually use they.

You've actually said "he" more than any other player here, I think. But that has nothing to do with why I'm scum-reading you, honest!
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1264 on: October 03, 2016, 05:26:59 pm »

This is kind of annoying.

Yes, for all towns, but for me especially! I finally cleared a couple of evenings to read things and spent ages trying to get my head around it all, and this happens :-(

Though you trying to vig me last night wasn't very town-friendly either...

Hm, I think it was, actually.

Huh? How?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1265 on: October 03, 2016, 05:29:52 pm »

not a fan of that hammer. i mean, as the person sitting behind a computer, i am anxiously awaiting the end of this day, but as a (perfectly innocent, etc.) townie, that just doesn't seem wise. i guess at this point, sa gives us a lot of information by being dead. thanks for the big reread posts!
  things are not looking good for j reggie tomorrow, regardless.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1266 on: October 03, 2016, 05:31:04 pm »

This is kind of annoying.

Yes, for all towns, but for me especially! I finally cleared a couple of evenings to read things and spent ages trying to get my head around it all, and this happens :-(

Though you trying to vig me last night wasn't very town-friendly either...

Hm, I think it was, actually.

Huh? How?

I think I had to shoot last night regardless.  Even hitting town is more info.  If I hadn't of gotten blocked, we'd have your flip today to decide who to lynch.  Obviously hitting scum would be better.  Arguably J Reggie could have been  a better target (not knowing your alignment).
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1267 on: October 03, 2016, 05:31:16 pm »

er.. hadn't have.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1268 on: October 03, 2016, 05:33:36 pm »

  things are not looking good for j reggie tomorrow, regardless.

I think Joseph is so much scummier than J Reggie, but then I seem to have been blind to the JR argument all along and I suspect that lack of understanding has sort of contributed to my current death :-(
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1269 on: October 03, 2016, 05:34:37 pm »

k
do you disagree that ww might fakeclaim, then?
I don't really believe it, because:
- the breadcrumb
- scum!WW would not say "I just shot whoever faust thought is scum"
- in your scenario (MCETTT), 1-shot Vig is counterclaimable. That's a dangerous road for scum.
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-sure
-well, it was one of the three people you thought was scum. and it so happened that it was somebody that ww had a gripe with in the past. but, sure. i believe you.
-how is it counterclaimable? scum knows that there aren't any other PRs than mason, 1-shot cop, and whoever saved faust.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1270 on: October 03, 2016, 05:35:08 pm »

  things are not looking good for j reggie tomorrow, regardless.

I think Joseph is so much scummier than J Reggie, but then I seem to have been blind to the JR argument all along and I suspect that lack of understanding has sort of contributed to my current death :-(
most of it was in a wagon analysis faust did a couple days ago.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1271 on: October 03, 2016, 05:36:35 pm »

most of it was in a wagon analysis faust did a couple days ago.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1272 on: October 03, 2016, 05:38:16 pm »

Hey, also, using RR's "who" trick shows that iguana has been watching but not posting for a while...
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1273 on: October 03, 2016, 05:38:51 pm »

-well, it was one of the three people you thought was scum. and it so happened that it was somebody that ww had a gripe with in the past. but, sure. i believe you.
i guess one of two people, since one of them was ww himself
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 3.
« Reply #1274 on: October 03, 2016, 05:39:26 pm »

hi iguana! (sticks out tongue)
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