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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #900 on: September 24, 2016, 05:40:35 pm »

Vote Count 2.5:

Joseph2302 (2): LaLight, iguanaiguana
Witherweaver (3): SpaceAnemone, Joseph2302, Roadrunner7671
SpaceAnemone (1): J Reggie
Roadrunner7671 (3): schadd, Witherweaver, gkrieg13

Not Voting (1): faust

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Day 2 ends on September 28 at 4:00 a.m. forum time.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #901 on: September 24, 2016, 06:06:12 pm »

Looks like WW and RR are where it's at right now. I'll reread both when I have the time. All these new dominion cards are making it so that I come to f.ds for things other than mafia.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #902 on: September 25, 2016, 05:33:11 pm »

Looks like WW and RR are where it's at right now. I'll reread both when I have the time. All these new dominion cards are making it so that I come to f.ds for things other than mafia.

Wow, this game has only had about ~12 posts since I went away 48 hours ago! Am I going to have to pay attention to Dominion now too?

I guess I can do individual re-reads on the other on-wagon people, since I did one on Joseph. I've realised that out of the 12 people we started with, 2 are conf!town and dead, one is IC and one is me, so of the 8 of you remaining, there are 3 scums.. which is both scary and encouraging, because it means there's a lot of scums, but we should have less of a hard time getting a good lynch now. I know I'm not saying anything at all surprising, but I get flustered when people get suspicious of me, so my weekend away was good :-)
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #903 on: September 25, 2016, 05:44:25 pm »

Yeah, it's very quiet. But that's what happens when there are so many scum.

8 and 3.
We mislynch, 7 and 3,

Day 3 will be 3 vs. 6

So this is right before lylo
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #904 on: September 25, 2016, 06:25:53 pm »

Tomorrow,  scum, I will find yout and out you.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #905 on: September 25, 2016, 07:07:36 pm »

Re-read on J Reggie. I'm pulling out assorted bits that seem relevant to forming an opinion of him. Please point out anything I should have noted but didn't!

A bunch of stuff about being a "towny townie".. not really sure what to make of it.
So this is my chance to be a towny townie for once. I'll try not to do anything dumb, guys.
And WW is voting me for trying to be towny as town for once, which is too bad. I'd think it'd be pro town to act like your alignment.

Early on seems to be actually posting to get talking going in the game, which seems quite townie. (#123-#131-ish).

Weird exchange with faust about a Joseph wagon ~#160. Didn't quite get why that needed an argument there. Other people didn't seem to like it, though, since he picks up votes from Silver and WW.

#186: admits to maybe being off-topic, but not scummy. I think this comes under the umbrella of allowable fluff to keep game posts happening. There's a bit more around #194 because other people persist in asking things about hamsters and stuff.

#277: still trying to make the game pick up before the D1 deadline, which I think is townie.

When everyone looks like town, probably Faust is scum.

This is actually an interesting point.  If you're having trouble getting scumreads, there's a good chance scum is among the more experienced players.
Hmm.. this could be a deflection, if he's scum and knows that the other scums are at the less experienced end of the spectrum. After all, it's pretty hard for anyone to know anything for sure in D1. But I don't actually have enough different D1 experiences to know for sure what to expect the distribution to look like.

#447: points out how to search for his posts since he doesn't have unique profile text. That's at least helpful, if not definitely townie.

Maybe I should just do something dumb; when I don't people think I'm not contributing enough.
I could take this at face value, really. I guess it could look scummy to people who're feeling less charitable?

#501 is JR's rebuttal of Iguana's case against him. I think it reads quite convincingly as a town player, though shortly afterwards his claim about having started the Mail-mi wagon is debunked. Given that was a mislynch anyway, I don't think he'd be clamouring for credit so much now anyway.

#535: concedes Iguana's point about similarities between his behaviour here and in Duel mafia (where he was scum). I feel like acknowledging it is good.

#574: big case on Mail-mi.

#582-#587: Scramble not to get killed; offers read-list that seems low-entropy given the rest of his interactions, so that's good.

Some rules-clarification stuff that seems entirely reasonable.

#721: refuses the faust-sheeping pledge. I kinda like this, since I wasn't sure I wanted to sign my brain away 100% either.

#809/#813: Votes for me for being "null and non-present". We must be able to do better than that for scum possibilities!

I don't like him being pretty silent D2 compared to D1 also.

I'm aware of that. I've been pretty busy, but I'll try to get back into this game.
Yeah, his posting rate here has dropped right down, but being busy in itself isn't a reason for us to be suspicious of people.

So overall I still feel like there must be better scum options to find out there.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #906 on: September 25, 2016, 07:19:46 pm »

Yeah, it's very quiet. But that's what happens when there are so many scum.

8 and 3.
We mislynch, 7 and 3,

Day 3 will be 3 vs. 6

So this is right before lylo

We have 10 people left from a 12-person game, so it's currently 7 v 3, and the worst case for tomorrow is 5 v 3.
Though:
a) Let's not mislynch!
b) We could have one or more vigs to help out with killing scums.
c) We could have one or more doctors to avoid definite night deaths.
d) We could have cops to help us out with night-time info, making LYLO less of a panic.

So even though the numbers are worse than you said, I don't think it's quite as hopeless as you might've been implying.

I've just noticed that the setup would allow for two full vigs and a one-shot vig. So actually, the very worst case we could have for D3 would be if they're all in the game and they all kill different townspeople, at which point we'd have just two town left and three scums. But that's a bit of a corner case :-P
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #907 on: September 26, 2016, 01:36:44 am »

Yeah, it's very quiet. But that's what happens when there are so many scum.

8 and 3.
We mislynch, 7 and 3,

Day 3 will be 3 vs. 6

So this is right before lylo

We have 10 people left from a 12-person game, so it's currently 7 v 3, and the worst case for tomorrow is 5 v 3.
Though:
a) Let's not mislynch!
b) We could have one or more vigs to help out with killing scums.
c) We could have one or more doctors to avoid definite night deaths.
d) We could have cops to help us out with night-time info, making LYLO less of a panic.

So even though the numbers are worse than you said, I don't think it's quite as hopeless as you might've been implying.

I've just noticed that the setup would allow for two full vigs and a one-shot vig. So actually, the very worst case we could have for D3 would be if they're all in the game and they all kill different townspeople, at which point we'd have just two town left and three scums. But that's a bit of a corner case :-P

If I got the setup correctly, we can't have even this corner case, cause we have Masons. So, it's not that bad!

I don't see Joseph here again. I can't find his last post at all. I don't necessarily think this is scumness, with the game being slow, but I had my suspicions before and now this.

I'm okay with WW or Joseph lynch with a slight preference on Joseph.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #908 on: September 26, 2016, 02:01:02 am »

Yeah, it's very quiet. But that's what happens when there are so many scum.

8 and 3.
We mislynch, 7 and 3,

Day 3 will be 3 vs. 6

So this is right before lylo

Why do you talk like we will mislynch today?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #909 on: September 26, 2016, 02:11:17 am »

Could everyone state their top 3 townreads (other than me)?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #910 on: September 26, 2016, 02:12:41 am »

Could everyone state their top 3 townreads (other than me)?

Probably schadd, LaLight, and iguana
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #911 on: September 26, 2016, 02:40:27 am »

Gkrieg and Iguana for sure. I think, third is RR
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #912 on: September 26, 2016, 02:40:42 am »

Could everyone state their top 3 townreads (other than me)?
gkreig, space ace, uh. lalight, maybe? he seemed too confident at some point about ss and mail-mi being town (the latter of which he totally doubled back on once it seemed to be rolling). j-reggie? in a sort of -1-rolls-back-to-255 sort of way
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #913 on: September 26, 2016, 02:43:22 am »

oh also i would still very very much like to put rr under some duress
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #914 on: September 26, 2016, 03:59:59 am »

Will do this later.

Also, I like my vote where it is
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #915 on: September 26, 2016, 05:43:34 am »

1. Witherweaver - scummy
2. LaLight - null
4. gkrieg13 - a little scummy
5. faust - IC
6. Roadrunner7671 - null
7. Joseph2302 - 100% town
8. SpaceAnemone - null to mildly towny
9. J Reggie - doesn't seem like scum!JReggie to me, so town
10. schadd - null to mildly towny
11. iguanaiguana - town

So my top 3 town reads would be ii, JReggie, Space
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #916 on: September 26, 2016, 10:27:29 am »

wtf I'm being townread?

I haven't even been playing.

Note to self: Next time you roll scum, lurk.

Anyway I'm back and I'll be taking a couple of days to reread this game, find the scum, and place my murdervote on them.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #917 on: September 26, 2016, 10:50:55 am »

I'm done playing this game. I'll sheep silver until LyLo including on myself. Otherwise just checking in once a day to post.

Someone was in a poor mood!

I retract everything  8)
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #918 on: September 26, 2016, 10:56:30 am »

Oh jeez I just realized I don't have any strong townreads besides the ICs.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #919 on: September 26, 2016, 10:57:21 am »

Well ii is probably town. I think he looks different as fed up scum.

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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #920 on: September 26, 2016, 11:39:44 am »

Well ii is probably town. I think he looks different as fed up scum.

Why would he be fed up as scum?
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #921 on: September 26, 2016, 11:40:26 am »

No townreads are strong.. I think Gkrieg is town now, probably Schaad.. maybe Iguana for the third. 
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #922 on: September 26, 2016, 11:42:09 am »

I plan on giving my reads at some point tomorrow, around noon forum time. I would ask that nobody gets lynched before this happens.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #923 on: September 26, 2016, 12:41:47 pm »

I plan on giving my reads at some point tomorrow, around noon forum time. I would ask that nobody gets lynched before this happens.
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Re: M86: Ghibli Mafia - Day 2.
« Reply #924 on: September 26, 2016, 03:16:56 pm »

The scum!LaLight theoroy + a few other comments

So, the weekend is over, and it's time for ou guys to put in some work, make cases, and such things. I have thoughts, but I will not reveal them. Instead, I want everyone to take the following pledge:

"If there is no lynch 12 hours before deadline, I will vote for whoever faust decides we should lynch."

/pledge I think. You're experienced and IC.


I think scum!LaLight appeases Faust here because he thinks that's how not to get lynched. Town!LaLight may be more hesitant, wanting to think for himself. So scummy on being the first to agree to this (Ofcourse I a priori agreed to the plan, but I now retract everything out of stubbornness so...)

My big problem with the pledge is that everyone should have better reads than faust because they have more information than faust.  Every person knows the alignment of 2 people (themselves and faust), so their reads have a higher probability of being correct than faust's. 

Also I'm weary of the people that agree to just blindly follow faust.  That is just way too easy of a cop out if they are on a mislynch.

Well, I don't follow him blindly. I trust his opinion, cause he's really more experienced and also an IC. + I know the alignment of me and him. I don't have strong case on anyone now, only mild scumread. I'll see and listen to faust.

The elaboration I think proves the scummy reason I had supposed.

inb4 "gkrieg why haven't you reread and given reads"

I'll do it later today.  I have class in a few minutes

Gkrieg's arguments here are towny. I played 1 scum game with Gkrieg and found him to be very different from here. Much more careful, even a little mechanical, in how he crafted things. This seems a lot more like him as town.

igu (seems like a clumsy persona for a committed scum, but why would he refuse to be replaced? are we seeing drunk!scum!igu or something)
i should clarify, i was referring specifically to the "i don't care anymore, lynch me" business

It is never enjoyable to drink at night and wake up to find Faust claiming masons. This is not alignment indicative behavior for me.  ::)

Ok, has someone presented a case for Joseph or is he just scummy as usual? Because I'd be willing to listen to an actual case on him, but this looks like just the same as yesterday. Just because Faust is IC doesn't mean he's always right.

I mean he has grown scummier today.  He seems a lot more calculated like he was the last time he was scum and we almost mislynched Seprix over him.

Still agree. Hard to get a wagon going on him too, that's a major factor.

Anyone feel

Vote: Iguana ?

Iguana is kinda angry-on-something town. I don't know why and what happened still, but he's probably town.
Why do you say that?

It's easy to say things that are true without giving reasons when you know everyone's alignment. More scum on LaLight.

I have no idea where the notion that Joseph was townie on D1 comes from. Can anyone who thinks that lay out in a bit more detail why they think that?

In light of the flips particularly, Joseph objectively looks scummiest D1. The only townie thing about him is that he acknowledge how bad he looks rather than trying to explain it away. But that is WIFOM dependent, so doesn't sway my opinion much.

Gkrieg and Iguana read very similar in tone on Day 1.

Great minds think alike. Maybe we are masons  :P



.........aaaaaaaaaand I have to go to work. Reread stops here for today.
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