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[gkrieg13]

Well I expect d his reaction to not be as calm for one.

Because?

Well because he is at L-1. Usually people are mad when they are put to L-1 with intent so quickly

[silverspawn]

unvote

I actually think mail-mi is one of the easiest players to read as scum. I like wagons but honestly he is most likely scum here.

[silverspawn]

*town. He is most likely town here.

honestly I was at no point actually intending to lynch him and the way it almost went through is suspicious

vote: LaLight

[LaLight]

agreed. Intent to hammer

Hm. Tell me why you think ending the first day this early is a good idea.

I don't think it's a good idea, as I realised when I intent to hammer someone he speaks, so I wanted to listen to him.
IMO mail-mi tried to focus our attention on faust/jreggie interaction so we choose from these 2. I don't think their "fight" was so scummy from either of them. That's why i personally agreed with voting on him.

PPE

[faust]

agreed. Intent to hammer

Hm. Tell me why you think ending the first day this early is a good idea.

I don't think it's a good idea, as I realised when I intent to hammer someone he speaks, so I wanted to listen to him.
IMO mail-mi tried to focus our attention on faust/jreggie interaction so we choose from these 2. I don't think their "fight" was so scummy from either of them. That's why i personally agreed with voting on him.

PPE

Vote: LaLight

[schadd]

vote: lalight

my only real thing is that i get concerned when people agree with another person's thing and don't say anything else and

agreed. Intent to hammer

strikes that chord. and he hasn't elaborated on it. i'm not sure whether it helps or hurts that he decided not to hammer someone in that situation


also, incidentally, i'm finding it difficult to say things that are towny. in theory i should be completely transparent because i'm not hiding anything (lmao!) but if i were some other guy reading my posts i would be like "wow what a loser that doesn't know what to do with his scummy self and is just trying to be present but unhelpful in conversation." so, this is me levelling with you guys or something. imagine that you're playing lego and i squat next to you and say "i care. i really do."

[LaLight]

well, I see. I intended to hammer mail-mi because I wanted to listen to him and know better what alignment he is. Explanation is pretty simple. It's my second game and there's one thing I can't understand. How can we lynch someone D1. The thing is: I play many mafia IRL and we just skip lynching part on D1 because it's bad, you can't say anything for sure just from people's words you need some night actions: cop checks or doctor heals or so on. You need to know that there's someone who knows things and you try to understand who this is and try to understand who is scum pretending to be one. So when I look at D1 speculations, many and more of them are based on people waiting the scum to slip. If there isn't any they just look at someone who somehow is suspicious. For me it's strange.

Look at this case: I'm town. I have a PR. I'm scared that someone will lynch me without knowledge about me and town will lose a hint or more. I try to behave neutral because I don't want to be lynched OR killed at night by those scums. And then I just get votes for nothing.

Well, I don't know what you guys will think about another case: sometimes I want to lynch somebody else, because I know that with more probability he will be scum or (for the worst) VT, because PRs are limited. And then i, okay, wagon. But! I'm pretty sure I do want to know if the one who's lynched is real scum and so I intent to hammer because I just want to see his reaction, is all! I need a lot more experience than now guys to come to know who is scum D1. For now it seems impossible to me. I don't know, it's your choice, but I want to live to D2 just for understanding more of all of you. Right now I see at best slightly scummy people. WW and now mail-mi. I don't think I'll be sure on one choice for 100% D1, if there'll be no real scumslips.

Thanks in advance for understanding.

[schadd]

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unvote
that is maybe a little better than the lego dad image

[Roadrunner7671]

LaLight why would you claim PR?!?!?!?

[mail-mi]

LaLight why would you claim PR?!?!?!?

He didn't. It was a hypothetical.

[LaLight]

LaLight why would you claim PR?!?!?!?

It's a case. I'm not claiming now.

[J Reggie]

I'm not quite sure what's going on. I think I should unvote until things are clearer.

[J Reggie]

So let me get this straight: lalight expressed intent to hammer just to see mail-mi's reaction. Mail claimed VT. A lalight wagon formed. Lalight softed PR but then backpedaled? If I understood everything right, I'm not even sure what to think. I guess scum on lalight?

[LaLight]

So let me get this straight: lalight expressed intent to hammer just to see mail-mi's reaction. Mail claimed VT. A lalight wagon formed. Lalight softed PR but then backpedaled? If I understood everything right, I'm not even sure what to think. I guess scum on lalight?

What does mean to soft PR? I didn't claim and so didn't backpedaled.

[J Reggie]

So let me get this straight: lalight expressed intent to hammer just to see mail-mi's reaction. Mail claimed VT. A lalight wagon formed. Lalight softed PR but then backpedaled? If I understood everything right, I'm not even sure what to think. I guess scum on lalight?

What does mean to soft PR? I didn't claim and so didn't backpedaled.

Like, to hint that you're a PR but not say what it was.

[gkrieg13]

I think LaLight looks pretty townie from that. He just looks like newb!town. Usually you leave someone at L-1 without intent to hammer though if you want to see their reaction. Mail-mis lack of reaction is scummy though

[J Reggie]

Also, the whole playing scummy/not towny so you don't get NK'd? I learned the hard way that that doesn't work.

[Joseph2302]

Okay, so a lot happened today (typical).
Mail-mi seems kind of towny to me, but I'm not convinced LaLight is scum either.
New players do silly things (experienced players do too), but at least they didn't actually hammer the wagon.

[silverspawn]

I think LaLight looks pretty townie from that. He just looks like newb!town. Usually you leave someone at L-1 without intent to hammer though if you want to see their reaction. Mail-mis lack of reaction is scummy though

[iguanaiguana]

Also, the whole playing scummy/not towny so you don't get NK'd? I learned the hard way that that doesn't work.

Pah

[faust]

Okay, so a lot happened today (typical).
Mail-mi seems kind of towny to me, but I'm not convinced LaLight is scum either.
New players do silly things (experienced players do too), but at least they didn't actually hammer the wagon.

So, hey, Joseph is in this game.

When I wanted to start a wagon on Joseph, noone agreed. When I wanted to start a wagon on mail-mi, everyone jumped on. This proves that Joseph is scum.

Vote: Joseph

[Joseph2302]

Okay, so a lot happened today (typical).
Mail-mi seems kind of towny to me, but I'm not convinced LaLight is scum either.
New players do silly things (experienced players do too), but at least they didn't actually hammer the wagon.

So, hey, Joseph is in this game.

When I wanted to start a wagon on Joseph, noone agreed. When I wanted to start a wagon on mail-mi, everyone jumped on. This proves that Joseph is scum.

Vote: Joseph

Or not.
Maybe all the town people jumped on the mail-mi one, and town don't want to jump on my one

[gkrieg13]

Okay, so a lot happened today (typical).
Mail-mi seems kind of towny to me, but I'm not convinced LaLight is scum either.
New players do silly things (experienced players do too), but at least they didn't actually hammer the wagon.

So, hey, Joseph is in this game.

When I wanted to start a wagon on Joseph, noone agreed. When I wanted to start a wagon on mail-mi, everyone jumped on. This proves that Joseph is scum.

Vote: Joseph

Ya I don't really follow this reasoning. And coming from Faust it just seems off.

[silverspawn]

what is unclear about that reasoning?

[gkrieg13]

what is unclear about that reasoning?

I guess that should say I don't agree with that reasoning. It assumes people only don't sheep Faust when he is on scum. Not like when, I don't know, he is wrong or something.