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[ashersky]

Rick?

Rick, it's me.  Can you hear me?

I know it's been awhile.  I'm sorry.  It's just...since Duane...

Rick, you said you'd turn it on every day at dawn.  I've been in a bad place for awhile now.  I was hoping you might still be checking for me, that you might have some battery left in that radio.

Rick...Rick?

Look, I'm headed your way.  At least, I think so.  I found your camp, outside Atlanta.  I could tell something went wrong.  Found your note, so I started down the highway, but you couldn't have made it too far.  It was blocked.  Saw some blood, dead walkers.  Tracks into the woods.

I'll keep turning this on until the power runs out on me.  Maybe I can find you, or your family.

Morgan out.

[ashersky]

Hello?...

Hello?  Can you hear me, Rick?  Can anyone hear me?...

If anyone can hear me...maybe you don't know me.  Maybe you don't trust me.  So you won't answer me.  I understand.  Those are the new rules of the world.  There are rules out here, rules you have to follow if you want to survive...

Duane broke a rule and it cost him.  I tried to stop it.  I tried to help him.  It's...it's my fault.  It was my job to keep him safe.

Rick?  I hope you found your boy.  I hope you are keeping him safe.  Remember the rules of this world.  Follow the rules.

I will keep checking for you.  I will keep looking.

Morgan out.

[ashersky]

The Rules:

The Golden Rule:
This is a game. Everyone who signs up to play must be considerate of each other, never get personal, and focus on having fun. Once the game starts, having signed up is a commitment: inactivity is just as inconsiderate as rude comments.

The Standard Rules:
1. No communication between players outside of the game thread or shared QTs at any time. This includes passing references, jokes, or cases in other games or threads, whether in context or not.
2. If the game thread is locked, do not post. If you are unsure if something is locked, ask the mod by PM or in your Role QT.
3. Direct or verbatim quoting of mod-provided information is strictly forbidden. Paraphrasing is okay.
4. Actions with instructions that do not specify a game state will be resolved in the order they are received.
5. All actions must be submitted within their respective submission windows, as noted in the setup post.
6. Players must post once every 24 hours.
7. Do not edit or delete posts, ever. If you need to clarify or correct something, post again.
8. Invisible text, font size less than 10, and spoiler tags are not allowed.
9. Cryptography is not allowed.
10. Lynched players may continue to post until a flip has been provided.
11. Personal multimedia, such as video or audio recordings, are not allowed in the game thread.
12. The Teproc Rule is in effect: direct or verbatim quoting of yourself is allowed.

The Voting Rules:
1. Votes should be in this format: Vote: Playername. Unambigiuous nicknames are acceptable.
2. Unvotes should be in this format: unvote or Unvote: Playername.
3. Unvotes are not required if changing your vote from one player to another.
4. You may vote: no lynch.
5. Lynches occur when a simple majority (rounded up) of living players is reached. Once reached, a lynch cannot be undone by unvoting.
6. Lynch rules vary by the number of players alive. With 10 or more players alive, the player with the most votes at the end of the day will be lynched. Ties are broken by coin flip. With nine or less players alive, if a majority lynch is not reached by the deadline, no lynch occurs.

The Rest:
1. Bold, maroon text is reserved for the Mod. Players may not use it.
2. If you have an issue or problem with the game, please PM the Mod. Do not post complaints in the game thread.
3. Mods make mistakes - please point them out gently. If they can be corrected, they will. If irreversible, they will stand as final to be commiserated over after the game.
4. If a mod error disadvantages one faction too greatly, the game may be called off.
5. Ask all questions and make all requests directly to the Mod via PM or in your Role QT. Questions deemed as "universal" (defined as questions for which the answers should be available to all players) will be requested to be re-posted in the Game Thread and answered there.
6. One prod will be issued after 48 hours without posting in the game thread. Players are subject to replacement or modkill after one prod.
7. All rule violations will be dealt with according to their severity, as determined by the mod.

Deadlines:
1. Dawns will last a minimum of 4 hours and no more than 24 hours.
2. Days will last 240 IRL hours.
3. Twilights will last a minimum of 4 hours and no more than 24 hours.
4. Nights will last 48 IRL hours.

[ashersky]

Rick, it's Morgan...

Rick...

Must be your radio, out of battery.  I think I'm catching up with you and your group...or at least, some group.  I see the signs everywhere.  There's always signs, information available if you just look around and pay attention.  I'm reading the signs in the grass, the trees, the dead...

Everything is important.  Everything matters.  Everything means something.  You've got to read the signs, Rick.  They are universal.  It's the most important information around, and it will keep you alive.

Rick...if you can hear me.  Leave me some signs.  Point the way.

Morgan out.

[ashersky]

Universal Information

This game is for 15 players and is classified as Role Madness. It was designed by ashersky as a closed setup.

Player List:

1. Witherweaver
2. yuma
3. 2.7
4. gkrieg13
5. faust
6. EFHW
7. Roadrunner7671
8. A Drowned Kernel
9. Haddock
10. silverspawn
11. Hydrad
12. Limetime
13. Ampharos
14. chairs
15. SirMartin

Game State Tracker:
Game Cycle 1: Dawn || Day || Twilight || Night
Game Cycle 2: Dawn || Day || Twilight || Night
Game Cycle 3: Dawn || Day || Twilight || Night
Game Cycle 4: Dawn || Day || Twilight || Night


Flavor:

Flavor -- written by the mod -- matters. Treat it as a part of the game and read every word. Knowledge of The Walking Dead (either the comics or the television show) is not required, but will enhance enjoyment of the game. At the very least, read a summary somewhere. Again, any flavor written by me is part of the game.

In case you couldn't tell, I'm Morgan talking into the radio.

Town is known as The Group in this game. Here is the win condition for The Group:

You win when all threats to The Group have been eliminated and there is at least one Group member still alive.

All players will receive flavor names.  They are not indicative of alignment.



QTs:

Every player has a Role QT. The first post in every role QT contains all information available regarding the assigned role. The second post in every QT is a welcome post that discusses QTs and is exactly the same in all QTs.




Action submission:

While each game phase has an action submission window, all actions may be submitted in advance of their respective deadlines within one full game cycle (i.e., a night action may be submitted the dawn, day, or twilight before).

Dawn Action Submission Window: Starts immediately after night ends and lasts 4 hours.
Day Action Submission Window: Starts 24 hours after dawn ends and lasts 24 hours.
Twilight Action Submission Window: Starts immediately after day ends and lasts 4 hours.
Night Action Submission Window: Starts immediately after twilight ends and lasts 24 hours.



Miscellaneous:

--Unless otherwise specified, no actions can be taken before Dawn 1.



Group Factional Abilities:

Each day, the following abilities may be used.  Each ability may be used once a day and there is no limit to how many abilities can be used.  Note: To trigger an ability, at least half (rounded down) of all living players must select it by posting it in bold in the game thread during the Day Action Submission Window.

Check the Perimeter: One-third of living players (rounded down), randomly selected, will be unable to post for 48 hours or vote for the rest of the day. If random zombies would have wandered into the farm during the day or following night, they will be stopped.

Split up: Tonight, half the group (rounded down) will sleep in the house while the other half sleep in the camp. Those in the house will be safe from random zombies.

Lock and load: Load one bullet into a gun that sits in the middle of everyone OR shoot a zombie and use up one bullet. If you load, two players, selected a random, will be secretly hated for the rest of the day.  Choose either "Lock" (shoot a zombie) or "Load" (load a bullet in the gun) by posting one word or the other.  If there are no bullets loaded, your selection defaults to "Load."



A Final Thought from your Mod:

I want to thank everyone for signing up and their enthusiasm for wanting to play a game I've invented.  As most of you know, this is my last game for the forseeable future, and I've put everything I've learned over the last four years or so into experimenting and expanding our mafia universe.  But no matter how much time or creativity I put into it, I truly believe it is your activity, dedication, and goodwill that will guarantee this game will be an amazing experience.

And now some friendly advice: Don't get hung up on your assumptions.  Every one one of us makes them, and sure, sometimes we're right.  But it's important to remember that in a game of creativity, deception, and imagination, there is no right and wrong, no past or future.  There's just the game we're all playing, right now.

Good luck!

[ashersky]

This topic is now unlocked for tags and pre-game chatter.

[2.71828.....]

"Days will last 240 IRL hours"

Very precise

[Archetype]

Ok, I'll /in

[faust]

Ok, I'll /in

[yuma]

/tag...

ww is it

[A Drowned Kernel]

Oh boy...

[Ampharos]

/in

I think I've learned enough about TWD from listening to my coworkers talk about it to make the flavor mean something

[faust]

Only one more!

[chairs]

/in or /tag

[Haddock]

That's a BIG game.  I'm excited by this.  What's a Dawn?

[yuma]

That's a BIG game.  I'm excited by this.  What's a Dawn?

[Haddock]

Right, I see.  It's just an early-day-action submission window.  Gotcha.

PPE.  Thanks, yuma.  Helpful.

[yuma]

Right, I see.  It's just an early-day-action submission window.  Gotcha.

Right, like the meme said:

[ashersky]

That was fast.

I'm ensuring the timing of this game doesn't mess with RMM31, so PMs will not be coming out right away.

[ashersky]

And I will just say this one more time:

I am not kidding when I say you need to read all flavor text written by me.
I am not kidding when I say you need to have read all the rules and universal information provided.

You have been warned.

[2.71828.....]

*Cough* if you don't understand something ask questions *cough*

[iguanaiguana]

/out. Sorry I never signed up for this. What I did say is that I will sign up if its still open after March 19

[ashersky]

/out. Sorry I never signed up for this. What I did say is that I will sign up if its still open after March 19

No problem.  Might still be open on March 19, at which point we'll add you back in.

[Roadrunner7671]

Hi everyone!

[Limetime]

Hey

[Ampharos]

Hi everyone!

What's up, RR! 

I hope you tunnel me this game; it's beginning to be a security blanket of normalcy in the maelstrom that is mafia.

 

[Witherweaver]

I expect enough flavor to create a standalone fan novel.

[Roadrunner7671]

Theory talk: I don't know if we'll lynch people. I think it'll be every single player versus Ashersky controlled zombies, similiar to that game where it was town vs. catapults or something where the mod lied about there being scum and stuff.

But there's almost no chance of no zombies. Vigs with an 's' for sure. Maybe a thematic Survivor? Death by natural causes?

[faust]

Theory talk: I don't know if we'll lynch people. I think it'll be every single player versus Ashersky controlled zombies, similiar to that game where it was town vs. catapults or something where the mod lied about there being scum and stuff.

But there's almost no chance of no zombies. Vigs with an 's' for sure. Maybe a thematic Survivor? Death by natural causes?

It's not a bastard game.

[faust]

Also TWD is much more about conflicts between people than it is about fighting zombies. An idea like that would not even be true to the show/comics. I fully expect some Dune-like survival subtheme though.

[Haddock]

I could maybe see some variant on "death by natural causes".  Done right, that wouldn't be outright bastard, necessarily.

[EFHW]

ash - you forgot me.

[ashersky]

ash - you forgot me.

Wow...I'm sorry!  With you, we are full!

[ashersky]

Okay, the game will start when RMM31 goes into D2.

Until then...expect some updates to the Universal Information post within the next 24 hours.

[Witherweaver]

Would there be any agreement for holding off a little bit longer? 

I'm in a lot of games right now, and would prefer to not be in so many while I'm in this one, since it's a little more involved.

[faust]

Would there be any agreement for holding off a little bit longer? 

I'm in a lot of games right now, and would prefer to not be in so many while I'm in this one, since it's a little more involved.

But... I want to start my game now 

I guess I'll just have to kill you off in those other games.

[Archetype]

I think I'm going to have to /out. I'll have no access in a few weeks for about a week, so won't be able to be super active at the beginning. You can put me down as a sub, though. If this is still open when I get back, I'll definitely /in!

[ashersky]

Okay, back to needing one more.  Timing still unchanged, theoretically.  We have iguana who re-joins on 3/20 at the latest, I guess.

[ashersky]

All pre-game prep is complete.  Game starts when full.

[gkrieg13]

SOMEBODY JOIN!!!!!!!!!!!

[SirMartin]

If it's ashersky's last game (even I know he's a big deal) I'll /in

Looks fun!

[gkrieg13]

YESSSSS!!!!!

I want my PM now please.

[Roadrunner7671]

YESSSSS!!!!!

I want my PM now please.

[ashersky]

Thread is locked to everything but /tags.

[ashersky]

Also, a reminder to read the Universal Information post.

[ashersky]

Note:

A miscellaneous section has been added to the Universal Information Post.

A post in your QT is required as confirmation. It is also an explicit guarantee that you have read every word in your QT and posted by me in this thread.

[ashersky]

Rick...I think...I think I've found you.

Remember, before?  I still do, but only when I sleep, in snippets.  Usually, it's a game of tag I played with Duane in the front yard of our old house.  He used to laugh so loud.

Tag.  Now, we're runnin' from walkers, and if you are tagged, you die.

I see you've found a group.  I hope...I hope it is safe.  But I'm not sure.  Rick, answer me if you can.  Until I hear from you, I won't come.

Can't trust anyone.  Won't.

Tag.  You're it.

Morgan out.

[ashersky]

Posted an update to the Group Faction Abilities section.

[ashersky]

Dawn 1 will begin at 12:00 p.m. on March 16, 2016.

[ashersky]

Everyone: I've made the final update to the Universal Information post here: http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14863.msg574714#msg574714.

Please, please, please read it all.  Please re-read your QTs.  Ask any questions you may have.  Always ask in your QT first. 

Dawn is coming...

[ashersky]

Rick...the sun's up again.  I can see you and your group, all together at the farm.  Looks safe.  Is it?

I...I'm not coming down yet.  I need to be sure it's safe.  I need to know I can trust everyone.  You understand that.  There is always something that holds us back, something that tells us we need to be careful...I'm listening to that right now.

I need to know for sure...so I'm going to wait here.  I'll keep checking in, every day at dawn.  Maybe you'll turn on the radio.  Maybe you'll hear me.  Until then, I'm waiting.

Morgan out.


Dawn 1 has begun.  The thread is locked.

[ashersky]

Dawn 1 has ended.

Day 1 begins now.

Thread Unlocked.

[ashersky]

Vote Count 1.0:

Not Voting (14): Witherweaver, yuma, 2.7, gkrieg13, faust, EFHW, Roadrunner7671, A Drowned Kernel, Haddock, silverspawn, Hydrad, Limetime, Ampharos, chairs, SirMartin

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

Day 1 ends on March 26 at 4:20 p.m. forum time.

[ashersky]

Sorry, really unlocked now.

[Hydrad]

Yay. I couldn't post and was sad

[Hydrad]

man everyone's lurking

[Witherweaver]

Vote: Hydrad for acti-lurking.

[silverspawn]

Welcome everyone!

Alright. Here are some of my thoughts about the setup

- There is obviously something going on with Zombies, but we seem to be left in the shadows about what exactly it is.
- Everyone should think really hard about whether or not he wants to claim, and if yes, what.
- Zombies and Scum seem to be two different things. It's possible that there's a SK or that Zombies can win and all players lose.
- There is a 24 hour deadline coming up. We should choose powers soon.

[silverspawn]

Quoting from the OP:

Check the Perimeter: One-third of living players (rounded down), randomly selected, will be unable to post for 48 hours or vote for the rest of the day. If random zombies would have wandered into the farm during the day or following night, they will be stopped.

Split up: Tonight, half the group (rounded down) will sleep in the house while the other half sleep in the camp. Those in the house will be safe from random zombies.

Lock and load: Load one bullet into a gun that sits in the middle of everyone OR shoot a zombie and use up one bullet. If you load, two players, selected a random, will be secretly hated for the rest of the day.

We can do any number of those without cost- but we also don't really know what they do, exactly.

I'd say we use Load and either Split Up or CTP

[Haddock]

Just wanna say this setup looks awesome and ashersky rocks.

In other news. Yeah load and split up sounds good to me.

vote: efhw Cos yolo.  Have I even played a game with you efhw?

[Roadrunner7671]

I don't think loading D1 is a good idea.

[silverspawn]

I would actually lean towards CtP.

I'm not sure if having players be unable to vote is a smaller or a bigger drawback early on, but I'd say smaller. We can still consider their votes-- also, 14 is a good number if you divide by 3, because it'll round down. So only 4 players will be affected.

I don't think loading D1 is a good idea.

Is that based on information that you don't want to share?

[Hydrad]

I think loading day 1 is the best time

[Witherweaver]

Control the Perimeter seems better early, I think.

I think loading day 1 is the best time

Why?

[Hydrad]

Wait if 10 can only vote do we still need 8 to lynch?

[silverspawn]

Wait if 10 can only vote do we still need 8 to lynch?

Almost certainly, yeah.

[Hydrad]

Control the Perimeter seems better early, I think.

I think loading day 1 is the best time

Why?

Day 1 I feel like is a decent shot in the dark anyways so if we accidentally lose someone early it's not as bad I feel like. Also chance to hammer to fast is lower since we need to many votes.

Also with 14 people there's a high chance that the hated won't even come into play.

[Limetime]

Wait if 10 can only vote do we still need 8 to lynch?

That is a good question.

[Hydrad]

Wait if 10 can only vote do we still need 8 to lynch?

Almost certainly, yeah.

That makes it much harder. I don't know how easy it will be to get everyone to agree. And if people aren't on when the day ends we might not get a lynch.

[silverspawn]

Wait if 10 can only vote do we still need 8 to lynch?

Almost certainly, yeah.

That makes it much harder. I don't know how easy it will be to get everyone to agree. And if people aren't on when the day ends we might not get a lynch.

The people who can't really vote can still vote-vote. They just write vote, and we'll see who they want to lynch. If we reach a majority with them, all we need is for a few of the others to switch.

[silverspawn]

RR, you should answer whether or not you have information telling you that loading is a bad idea, because we have pretty limited time, and otherwise I think we should go for it.

[Witherweaver]

What happens if we don't split up?  Do we all sleep in the camp?

[chairs]

To me, Lock & Load is practically a no-brainer here since we minimize the downside of hated and prep the gun for zombie shooting. The only downside I could see is if that somehow enables a scum power (since now you have a loaded gun around).

CtP seems very useful, but the fact that the perimeter checkers can't vote really hurts, even if all the scum are on perimeter duty, because it minimizes interaction, even not taking into account the TWO DAYS real time of them not talking, not reacting to the game.

Split up doesn't seem to have a downside listed, which is what initially drew me to the "I bet scum powers are enabled/modified based on day actions of the group".

[Roadrunner7671]

RR, you should answer whether or not you have information telling you that loading is a bad idea, because we have pretty limited time, and otherwise I think we should go for it.

We can go for it, it's unlikely that bad things will happen because of it.

[chairs]

tl;dr I suspect there's hidden downsides to all the abilities, but in particular I suspect "split up" is a surprisingly high-downside choice and barring a lack of alternatives due to zombie infestation issues, I would suggest we avoid it.

One thing that hasn't been discussed is that we are currently at 14p - we need to keep in mind that eventually we probably want to move (if it doesn't happen naturally)  to transition to an odd number of players via no lynch. Today's not the day for that, since we have no idea what night will bring, but it's something to keep in mind before we get to mylo, probably.

[chairs]

Lock and Load

I'm definitely in favor of this over doing nothing, and this is the safest imho of the abilities to utilize.

[faust]

Hi. I have something to say.

Noone should vote for me in this game, ever.

Suffices to say that bad things may happen if you do.

If you wish to vote for me, please do so by posting Vote: faust. I will personally keep track of those votes. In order to maintain accountability, you should also unvote if you place such a vote.

If a majority votes for me this way, I will accept it.

[silverspawn]

Select: Load
Select: Check the Perimeter

we need to keep in mind that eventually we probably want to move (if it doesn't happen naturally) to transition to an odd number of players via no lynch.

I would not worry about that. It's an RMM, the chance that we have exactly 1 lynch/1 kill every day and night cycle is probably pretty low.

[silverspawn]

Lock and Load

I'm definitely in favor of this over doing nothing, and this is the safest imho of the abilities to utilize.

I specifically asked how the 'and' clause in this power works in my QT; ash explained that it's two different powers. So you have to choose one of them.

[Roadrunner7671]

Hi. I have something to say.

Noone should vote for me in this game, ever.

Suffices to say that bad things may happen if you do.

If you wish to vote for me, please do so by posting Vote: faust. I will personally keep track of those votes. In order to maintain accountability, you should also unvote if you place such a vote.

If a majority votes for me this way, I will accept it.

This really makes me want to vote for you.

Why is this?

[faust]

The Day action submission window isn't open yet; I don't know whether your submissions will be counted.

[silverspawn]

I prefer vote: Haddock for RVS-ing in an RMM.

[faust]

Hi. I have something to say.

Noone should vote for me in this game, ever.

Suffices to say that bad things may happen if you do.

If you wish to vote for me, please do so by posting Vote: faust. I will personally keep track of those votes. In order to maintain accountability, you should also unvote if you place such a vote.

If a majority votes for me this way, I will accept it.

This really makes me want to vote for you.

Why is this?

You don't need to know.

[silverspawn]

The Day action submission window isn't open yet; I don't know whether your submissions will be counted.

Ohh, I thought it was the first 24 hours. But you're right, it's the second 24.

Starts 24 hours after dawn ends and lasts 24 hours.

Then we have more time. Although I believe they still count:

all actions may be submitted in advance of their respective deadlines within one full game cycle

[faust]

Also, I know the role name of a player that is likely town-aligned. Just sayin'.

[Witherweaver]

Also, I know the role name of a player that is likely town-aligned. Just sayin'.

You know who the player is, or just the name of the role?

[faust]

Also, I know the role name of a player that is likely town-aligned. Just sayin'.

You know who the player is, or just the name of the role?

Just the role.

[faust]

I think I have a solid guess at the flavor name.

[SirMartin]

Also, I know the role name of a player that is likely town-aligned. Just sayin'.

As do I.

[Witherweaver]

By the way, I checked and the gun doesn't have any bullets in it currently.  So we may want to do Lock and Load.

[silverspawn]

By the way, I checked and the gun doesn't have any bullets in it currently.  So we may want to do Lock and Load.

Just load.

[Witherweaver]

Does anyone have a way to kill walkers, besides the gun?

[Roadrunner7671]

Is anyone here Morgan?

[faust]

Can I rolefish too?

[Witherweaver]

Can I rolefish too?

Sure.

[chairs]

So do we have to "Select: Load" then? I thought we just put the bold thing in. I didn't realize "Lock" and "Load" were separate options.

Load

[faust]

I don't really understand what splitting up is good for. I mean... half of us would still be unprotected, right? And are we not generally weaker if we split up? Maybe it has effects on night actions too. Anyway it's something that I'd rather not do for now.

[chairs]

Also, I know the role name of a player that is likely town-aligned. Just sayin'.

Kind of curious about this.

[faust]

Also, I know the role name of a player that is likely town-aligned. Just sayin'.

Kind of curious about this.

It will all become clear in time.

[silverspawn]

vote: WW
vote: Haddock

So do we have to "Select: Load" then?

I haven't read anything (or at least don't remember anything) about a syntax, I just happened to choose Select. Just bolding is prob fine. Load and lock I also didn't realize, which is why I asked.

I don't really understand what splitting up is good for. I mean... half of us would still be unprotected, right? And are we not generally weaker if we split up? Maybe it has effects on night actions too. Anyway it's something that I'd rather not do for now.

If random events are generated as 'Walkers visit this and that person' then it'd have a 50% chance of protecting those.

[faust]

I don't really understand what splitting up is good for. I mean... half of us would still be unprotected, right? And are we not generally weaker if we split up? Maybe it has effects on night actions too. Anyway it's something that I'd rather not do for now.

If random events are generated as 'Walkers visit this and that person' then it'd have a 50% chance of protecting those.

I guess. But if random events are generated as 'Walkers intrude and attack an eligible person', then it doesn't. And it kind of seems to make more sense this way... the walkers wouldn't go for the house first in real life.

[silverspawn]

I don't really understand what splitting up is good for. I mean... half of us would still be unprotected, right? And are we not generally weaker if we split up? Maybe it has effects on night actions too. Anyway it's something that I'd rather not do for now.

If random events are generated as 'Walkers visit this and that person' then it'd have a 50% chance of protecting those.

I guess. But if random events are generated as 'Walkers intrude and attack an eligible person', then it doesn't. And it kind of seems to make more sense this way... the walkers wouldn't go for the house first in real life.

True; but in an ash-designed setup, I would assume that there has to be a point to the power.

Still, if we choose the CtP thing now, then we don't need the split, at least for today.

[faust]

On the other hand, if all powers were always good for us, then what's the point of making us choose?

[silverspawn]

Maybe it works like this:

- Zombies can happen to visit specific people.
- If they do, we can fight them back

By splitting up, you are weaker, but may be protected entirely. Or, it could be that scum has some powers that depend on how many of us sleep in the same room.

[A Drowned Kernel]

Not caught up but setup thoughts:

Split up doesn't seem to have a downside, assuming that protecting people from zombies is good. We probably want to do that.

Check the perimeter oth has a huge drawback, I'm not sure I like that at all.

I would consider lock and load, we can just ask people to claim at l-2.

More later when I'm not on phone.

[A Drowned Kernel]

How do Walking Dead zombies work? Do you  turn into one of your bitten?

[silverspawn]

How do Walking Dead zombies work? Do you  turn into one of your bitten?

+ yes

[Witherweaver]

How do Walking Dead zombies work? Do you  turn into one of your bitten?

If you die by any means (aside from brain getting destroyed), you are reanimated as a 'zombie'.  In addition, zombie bites are lead to a quick and deadly infection, which is essentially incurable.  If the bitten area can be removed (e.g., chop off arm or leg or something), you can prevent the infection from spreading. 

[faust]

How do Walking Dead zombies work? Do you  turn into one of your bitten?

Mostly everyone who dies turns. If you get bitten, you die from infection, and once you're dead you will become a zombie. Only way to kill zombies is fatal brain damage. Dead usually take a couple of hours before they rise again.

PPE: Ninja'd. But maybe some useful extra information is still here.

[faust]

On another note, vote: chairs. His posts so far have a certain forced feeling.

[A Drowned Kernel]

I don't think loading D1 is a good idea.

is better than doing it later

[A Drowned Kernel]

Oh I also asked ash in my QT how the players for split up were chosen and he said randomly. It doesn't look like the setup says this

[Roadrunner7671]

I don't think loading D1 is a good idea.

is better than doing it later

My train of thought was that we were less likely to need the bullets now.
Ppe

[A Drowned Kernel]

Hi. I have something to say.

Noone should vote for me in this game, ever.

Suffices to say that bad things may happen if you do.

If you wish to vote for me, please do so by posting Vote: faust. I will personally keep track of those votes. In order to maintain accountability, you should also unvote if you place such a vote.

If a majority votes for me this way, I will accept it.

...

[A Drowned Kernel]

I don't really understand what splitting up is good for. I mean... half of us would still be unprotected, right? And are we not generally weaker if we split up? Maybe it has effects on night actions too. Anyway it's something that I'd rather not do for now.

Given the info we have it seems like a good idea to me, protecting people from getting bitten and there's no apparent downside.

[A Drowned Kernel]

Anyway for one I agree with silver there to much to talk about for RVs to be a thing vote: haddock

[faust]

I don't really understand what splitting up is good for. I mean... half of us would still be unprotected, right? And are we not generally weaker if we split up? Maybe it has effects on night actions too. Anyway it's something that I'd rather not do for now.

Given the info we have it seems like a good idea to me, protecting people from getting bitten and there's no apparent downside.

I think things with "no apparent downside" are way more dangerous than things where we at least know that there will be a downside.

[yuma]

Hi all:

So was I the only player who mistakenly thought he had received a scum role because of the explanatory red text in the second QT post only to notice the green town role after the first post...

Super confusing. Anyways did everyone read the setup for once? If not FOS

[yuma]

Wait if 10 can only vote do we still need 8 to lynch?

Almost certainly, yeah.

That makes it much harder. I don't know how easy it will be to get everyone to agree. And if people aren't on when the day ends we might not get a lynch.

This doesn't matter for the first few days, as we dont' actually need a majority to lynch. Per the rules:

6. Lynch rules vary by the number of players alive. With 10 or more players alive, the player with the most votes at the end of the day will be lynched. Ties are broken by coin flip. With nine or less players alive, if a majority lynch is not reached by the deadline, no lynch occurs.

[yuma]

6. Lynch rules vary by the number of players alive. With 10 or more players alive, the player with the most votes at the end of the day will be lynched. Ties are broken by coin flip. With nine or less players alive, if a majority lynch is not reached by the deadline, no lynch occurs.

PS I love this rule.

[yuma]

The only downside I could see is if that somehow enables a scum power (since now you have a loaded gun around).

I asked if I could access the gun. Ash told me that I couldn't access it. Maybe other players or scum would be able to do so, but the wording that he stated implied that I--and the implication of others--couldn't use it except for the lock and load function

[yuma]

tl;dr I suspect there's hidden downsides to all the abilities, but in particular I suspect "split up" is a surprisingly high-downside choice and barring a lack of alternatives due to zombie infestation issues, I would suggest we avoid it.

Was anyone beside me in the Ozle two BMM game. I am almost positive that ash was in it. I think he was the only one around from back then beside me in this game... It was a crazy super funny game and I think ash has taken elements of it before... in that game there was the option to have players split up. If I remember right that ended poorly.... I might go reread it to see if we can draw any mod based conclusions from it, but that just ends up being WIFOM the mod... but still probably worth considering.

[yuma]

Hi. I have something to say.

Noone should vote for me in this game, ever.

Suffices to say that bad things may happen if you do.

If you wish to vote for me, please do so by posting Vote: faust. I will personally keep track of those votes. In order to maintain accountability, you should also unvote if you place such a vote.

If a majority votes for me this way, I will accept it.

Just by default this has become my default lynch choice. If there is a better option I would go for that, but this sort of post, while potentially true also has a dangerous potential of being manipulative--even if forced by the role--as such faust would be my default lynch if we can't get anywhere else.... as such vote: faust

[faust]

Well, I certainly hope that we can get somewhere else.

faust Vote Count (1): yuma

[faust]

tl;dr I suspect there's hidden downsides to all the abilities, but in particular I suspect "split up" is a surprisingly high-downside choice and barring a lack of alternatives due to zombie infestation issues, I would suggest we avoid it.

Was anyone beside me in the Ozle two BMM game. I am almost positive that ash was in it. I think he was the only one around from back then beside me in this game... It was a crazy super funny game and I think ash has taken elements of it before... in that game there was the option to have players split up. If I remember right that ended poorly.... I might go reread it to see if we can draw any mod based conclusions from it, but that just ends up being WIFOM the mod... but still probably worth considering.

Splitting up is generally a bad idea in a horror setting.

[silverspawn]

So was I the only player who mistakenly thought he had received a scum role because of the explanatory red text in the second QT post only to notice the green town role after the first post...

Do you guys buy this? I don't know about you, but I find the green very visible among the maroon - not red - that made up the first two posts of my QT. Even if I had not seen the green, I think I'd have been more busy being surprised that you can use colors in QT's - I think ash has a premium account - to think that I got scum.

[silverspawn]

It just looks like the typical ash setup post to me.

[Limetime]

Who is Glenn?

[Roadrunner7671]

Who is Glenn?

...

[faust]

Who is Glenn?

1. http://lmgtfy.com/?q=glenn
2. What kind of a question is that supposed to be?

[faust]

being surprised that you can use colors in QT's

http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/FWqE586Eqf3q

Lynch all liars.

[A Drowned Kernel]

faust you do realize you are asking a lot from us on this. I doubt you're going to be today's lynch but having a power that makes it so people can't vote for you, and refusing to explain why, is bizarre as hell.

[A Drowned Kernel]

I mean I don't exactly see the scum narrative for it but man.

For a minute there I wanted to vote yuma for suspecting faust automatically but eh. That's really a null tell.

[faust]

faust you do realize you are asking a lot from us on this. I doubt you're going to be today's lynch but having a power that makes it so people can't vote for you, and refusing to explain why, is bizarre as hell.

You'll have to complain to ashersky. I believe this is the best way to play this role. I don't want to explain more because I don't want to give scum the information they need to decide when it's a good idea to vote for me.

[yuma]

It isn't really that I suspect Faust. I think the elements of his could fit within a design. But I am treating him kinda like a survivor. Where if someone needs to go and we are at a deadlock and not progressing either he needs to full elaine or be lynched. Hopefully we won't get to that point and if he is lynched it will be because of actual scummy reasons, in the same way that you would treat a claimed survivor...

[silverspawn]

being surprised that you can use colors in QT's

http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/FWqE586Eqf3q

Lynch all liars.

That's too long ago, I didn't try to use colors in QTs by that point, so I didn't realize you did it.

Err how do you do it?

[faust]

Err how do you do it?

<font color=#[some number]> </font>

I think you can get the numbers from googling html color tags. Looking back, it might be RGB in hexadecimal notation.

[silverspawn]

thanks

faust you do realize you are asking a lot from us on this. I doubt you're going to be today's lynch but having a power that makes it so people can't vote for you, and refusing to explain why, is bizarre as hell.

Honestly, I don't think it's that big of a stretch. I could see a power being X-Shot for something, but decreasing every time you are being voted, or anything to that effect.

At the same time, I could see this both as a town and as a scum power. Not voting for him could benefit the wrong faction. But I do believe that stuff happens.

[silverspawn]

And it's not like it helps him in any way if we decide that we want to lynch him.

[A Drowned Kernel]

I mean it's not that I don't believe he actually has that power. Just, RMM throws me for a loop sometimes. I don't know how I'm supposed to process information like this.

[silverspawn]

What do you think about yuma's QT comment?

[A Drowned Kernel]

Eh. I mean that would be the easiest thing to fake as scum. I didn't even register that it was an unusual color at first on my screen. None of the people who are actually here and talking are people I want to vote for atm.

[A Drowned Kernel]

Also irrelevant but yuma, I like your new avatar.

[yuma]

What do you think about yuma's QT comment?

I don't understand what your problem is with it...

[yuma]

Also irrelevant but yuma, I like your new avatar.

Thanks! I had this as my background at work for quite a long time around the release of Dark Ages.

[silverspawn]

What do you think about yuma's QT comment?

I don't understand what your problem is with it...

Just trying to find scum.

I like your avatar too BTW

[Roadrunner7671]

Until proven wrong, I refuse to believe that there is a scum faction. There may be a Survivor or SK, and there are zombies which are presumably deadly, but I think there's too much design space for scum to fit in. 

[Roadrunner7671]

15 players, right? Let's see if we can think of 15 flavor names
Rick Grimes
Carl Grimes
Lori Grimes
Judith Grimes
Andrea
Tyreese
T-Dog
Hershel
Beth
Maggie
Sasha
Michonne
Abraham
Eugene
Glenn
Daryl
Merle
I think it's possible.

[yuma]

Until proven wrong, I refuse to believe that there is a scum faction. There may be a Survivor or SK, and there are zombies which are presumably deadly, but I think there's too much design space for scum to fit in.

How is the weather in Egypt? Make sure you watch out for crocs!

[gkrieg13]

Sorry guys.  I'm finally here. 

I think we should definitely load the gun, I trust faust here and don't plan on voting for him today, I think we should all stick together, so I would think we should do the patrol the perimeter one.

I also don't think we are all town, because that would make it so we shouldn't lynch anyone, and it wouldn't be mafia.

I can't think of any other thoughts I had

[Roadrunner7671]

Until proven wrong, I refuse to believe that there is a scum faction. There may be a Survivor or SK, and there are zombies which are presumably deadly, but I think there's too much design space for scum to fit in.

How is the weather in Egypt? Make sure you watch out for crocs!

Is this another one of those things that won't be explained to me until I'm older?

[gkrieg13]

I think he is trying to tell you that your post is ridiculous?

[Roadrunner7671]

I think he is trying to tell you that your post is ridiculous?

Maybe. But he'll have to prove it!

[yuma]

Until proven wrong, I refuse to believe that there is a scum faction. There may be a Survivor or SK, and there are zombies which are presumably deadly, but I think there's too much design space for scum to fit in.

How is the weather in Egypt? Make sure you watch out for crocs!

Is this another one of those things that won't be explained to me until I'm older?

I am saying you are in Da' Nile. You should probably understand the joke but won't find it funny until you become a dad...

[Roadrunner7671]

Until proven wrong, I refuse to believe that there is a scum faction. There may be a Survivor or SK, and there are zombies which are presumably deadly, but I think there's too much design space for scum to fit in.

How is the weather in Egypt? Make sure you watch out for crocs!

Is this another one of those things that won't be explained to me until I'm older?

I am saying you are in Da' Nile. You should probably understand the joke but won't find it funny until you become a dad...

Vote: Yuma

[yuma]

Until proven wrong, I refuse to believe that there is a scum faction. There may be a Survivor or SK, and there are zombies which are presumably deadly, but I think there's too much design space for scum to fit in.

How is the weather in Egypt? Make sure you watch out for crocs!

Is this another one of those things that won't be explained to me until I'm older?

I am saying you are in Da' Nile. You should probably understand the joke but won't find it funny until you become a dad...

Vote: Yuma

I thought you thought there weren't any scum? So then why are you voting for me?

[Roadrunner7671]

Until proven wrong, I refuse to believe that there is a scum faction. There may be a Survivor or SK, and there are zombies which are presumably deadly, but I think there's too much design space for scum to fit in.

How is the weather in Egypt? Make sure you watch out for crocs!

Is this another one of those things that won't be explained to me until I'm older?

I am saying you are in Da' Nile. You should probably understand the joke but won't find it funny until you become a dad...

Vote: Yuma

I thought you thought there weren't any scum? So then why are you voting for me?

You're a prime lynch candidate.

[chairs]

Scum could be Governor-aligned, maybe? I can see the justification for it in the flavor.

[A Drowned Kernel]

Until proven wrong, I refuse to believe that there is a scum faction. There may be a Survivor or SK, and there are zombies which are presumably deadly, but I think there's too much design space for scum to fit in.

I... what?

There's a scum faction. Zombies are most likely just an external threat, like the water in the Dune games.

[A Drowned Kernel]

Sorry guys.  I'm finally here. 

I think we should definitely load the gun, I trust faust here and don't plan on voting for him today, I think we should all stick together, so I would think we should do the patrol the perimeter one.

I also don't think we are all town, because that would make it so we shouldn't lynch anyone, and it wouldn't be mafia.

I can't think of any other thoughts I had

Based on the info we have, there doesn't seem to be a disadvantage to the splitting up. All it says is that people in the house will be safe.

[2.71828.....]

Hi. 

I like loading the gun.  We can just be careful about L-2 like we would L-1.

I really like checking the perimeter.  Especially since plurality lynch is a thing right now.  It will suck not having those individuals selected around for 48 hours, but the benefit outweighs that in my opinion.  Later days checking the perimeter might not be so great when plurality lynch is not a thing.

I am ambivalent toward splitting up.  I mean, protecting half of us sounds great.  Almost like free anti-zombie doctor for half the group.  But at what cost to the other half?  I mean, I honestly don't know.  Would we be safer all staying together even if we are all outside in the camp?  I am willing to go either way on this one.

But I am definitely pro-gun and pro-border patrol.  I mean, we really should just build a wall.  And make the zombies pay for it.  While we shoot them with our guns that you can't take away from us because it is our right to have them.  Wait a second....

[Limetime]

But I am definitely pro-gun and pro-border patrol.  I mean, we really should just build a wall.  And make the zombies pay for it.  While we shoot them with our guns that you can't take away from us because it is our right to have them.  Wait a second....

+1

[silverspawn]

I think if we do the check the thing thing then we don't need to split because we're safe anyway?

[Haddock]

You're right, my RVS thing was probably silly.  I've never played a game where RVS didn't happen, though.  Anyway, unvote.

I'm happy to leave faust alone at least for the day, I think.

We should definitely Load.
And I'm coming round to the idea of checking the perimeter rather than splitting up...

[ashersky]

Specificity added to the "Lock and Load" ability regarding how to select between the options.

[ashersky]

Vote Count 1.1:

Hydrad (1): Witherweaver
Haddock (2): silverspawn, A Drowned Kernel
chairs (1): faust
yuma (1): Roadrunner7671

Not Voting (9): yuma, 2.7, gkrieg13, EFHW, Hydrad, Limetime, Ampharos, chairs, SirMartin, Haddock

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

Day 1 ends on March 26 at 4:20 p.m. forum time.

[Hydrad]

Load

[Ampharos]

I'm here! 

A few things: 

1) For once, I'm thinking along the same lines as RR: Is there actually a scum faction in this game or is it survival and us just thinking there might be scum? 

2) Faust's play seems so out there that I see it very unlikely to be scum.  I'm giving big town points, for now.  If evidence surfaces later that he may be pulling a quick one, I'll reconsider. 

3) Select: Lock  --- Easily the best choice for now until proven otherwise... if negative shenanigans occur (which I'm guessing we'll be able to see in the flavor), we can reconsider using that power in the future.  I would also be okay with CtP but think doing both lock and CtP is kind of redundant.

[Ampharos]

Meant to say Load there, sorry.  Looks like it will default to load anyways.

[yuma]

I'm here! 

A few things: 

1) For once, I'm thinking along the same lines as RR: Is there actually a scum faction in this game or is it survival and us just thinking there might be scum? 

I for one would state that a lack of a scum faction would mean that this game is no longer mafia and that these means this is a bastard game. But because this isn't a bastard game I think it is safe to assume it is a game of mafia and thereby have the minimum requirements of a mafia game--a minority group having more information than the rest of the majority. Otherwise I don't know what I signed up for and for ash!s legacy game... That would be a major let down. So let's not assume there is no mafia, huh?

[Ampharos]

Well yes, these are lines I'm thinking along as well.

[2.71828.....]

You guys do know that all your "locks" and "loads" and "perimeter checks" and everything won't count until the day action submission window is actually open.

Anyway, I think we at least will hae a majority for loading the gun.  What do people think about the other actions that we can take?  Checking the perimeter and splitting up?  We need to decide on those now so that we can vote for them if necessary.

[Roadrunner7671]

I'm here! 
 For once, I'm thinking along the same lines as RR

What happened to you?

The apocalypse is taking a toll on all of our sanities...

[faust]

Judith Grimes

Playing an unborn baby has to be the suckiest role ever.

[chairs]

You guys do know that all your "locks" and "loads" and "perimeter checks" and everything won't count until the day action submission window is actually open.

Anyway, I think we at least will hae a majority for loading the gun.  What do people think about the other actions that we can take?  Checking the perimeter and splitting up?  We need to decide on those now so that we can vote for them if necessary.

Actually per ashersky's post stating actions can be submitted in advance,  I think they do count.

Ctp  yes,  split up no.

[gkrieg13]

load
Check the perimeter

[Roadrunner7671]

Judith Grimes

Playing an unborn baby has to be the suckiest role ever.

You must be not caught up.

[faust]

Judith Grimes

Playing an unborn baby has to be the suckiest role ever.

You must be not caught up.

I thought this is taking place during season 2.

[Witherweaver]

Vote: Silverspawn

[EFHW]

Just letting you know I am almost caught up, will be posting more later today.

[2.71828.....]

You guys do know that all your "locks" and "loads" and "perimeter checks" and everything won't count until the day action submission window is actually open.

Anyway, I think we at least will hae a majority for loading the gun.  What do people think about the other actions that we can take?  Checking the perimeter and splitting up?  We need to decide on those now so that we can vote for them if necessary.

Actually per ashersky's post stating actions can be submitted in advance,  I think they do count.

Ctp  yes,  split up no.

Promise, I read the setup, I just missed this one little thing.

[Haddock]

I actually think it's not entirely clear. The comment about being able to set up actions in advance is in direct conflict with the bonded phrase about the timing of group action votes. I suggest we all redo it when the day window actually opens,  just in case.

[Haddock]

*bolded.

Phone post.

[silverspawn]

We can just ask. If someone voted for a power in the first 24 hours of the day, does that vote count for the selection phase that takes place in the following 24 hours?

[faust]

We can just ask. If someone voted for a power in the first 24 hours of the day, does that vote count for the selection phase that takes place in the following 24 hours?

Questions have to be asked in your QT.

[silverspawn]

oh, i guess. this is a question that has nothing to do with my power, though.

[ashersky]

The Day 1 Action Submission Window is now open, and will remain so for the next 24 hours.

As a reminder, Group Factional Abilities may now be triggered.  Any Group Factional Ability that received the required number of bolded selections will be locked in.  You may not "unselect" a Group Factional Ability once you've chosen it.  Here are the abilities:

Check the Perimeter: One-third of living players (rounded down), randomly selected, will be unable to post for 48 hours or vote for the rest of the day. If random zombies would have wandered into the farm during the day or following night, they will be stopped.

Split up: Tonight, half the group (rounded down) will sleep in the house while the other half sleep in the camp. Those in the house will be safe from random zombies.

Lock and load: Load one bullet into a gun that sits in the middle of everyone OR shoot a zombie and use up one bullet. If you load, two players, selected a random, will be secretly hated for the rest of the day.  Choose either "Lock" (shoot a zombie) or "Load" (load a bullet in the gun) by posting one word or the other.  If there are no bullets loaded, your selection defaults to "Load."

[EFHW]

Load

Group ability vote count, please

[Limetime]

load
check the parameter

[Limetime]

load
check the parameter

By parameter I mean perimeter of course

[Roadrunner7671]

I'm not sold on doing a perimeter check. If we have a bullet in the gun and half of us are safe, who cares if there are zombies? We can just blow their faces off.
 

[Roadrunner7671]

I'm not sold on doing a perimeter check. If we have a bullet in the gun and half of us are safe, who cares if there are zombies? We can just blow their faces off.

On this note, I want to Split up.

[EFHW]

What do you think about yuma's QT comment?

I was also surprised to see the color.  But it wasn't confusing, given that the maroon is ash's mod color.  I don't give yuma any towncred for it.  I don't know if that's what he was aiming for, but if anything it would make me lean every so slightly in the opposite direction.

[EFHW]

I'm not sold on doing a perimeter check. If we have a bullet in the gun and half of us are safe, who cares if there are zombies? We can just blow their faces off.

It looks like we can only fire the gun during the day, so it won't protect anyone at night.

[Witherweaver]

Load

[EFHW]

It actually looks like we can only shoot a zombie with the gun during the 24 hour submission window.

[gkrieg13]

Load
Check the Perimeter

Just in case

[gkrieg13]

Hey EFHW is here yay!

But she is always on the opposite team from me so Booooooo!

[chairs]

Load
Check the Perimeter.

vote: RR. I assert that splitting up is the one with no obvious downside and therefore likely the most scum-enabling option.

[Witherweaver]

Vote: Chairs

[Roadrunner7671]

Load
Check the Perimeter.

vote: RR. I assert that splitting up is the one with no obvious downside and therefore likely the most scum-enabling option.

This is why I don't think for myself.
Then people get mad for me sheeping decisions.
Pick one, you can't have both.

[silverspawn]

That's actually a really lazy vote on RR. vote: chairs

[A Drowned Kernel]

Also  why is chairs going after RR for considering split up but not me? vote: chairs

[Hydrad]

load
check the perimeter
split up

Vote: chairs

so much bold!

[Roadrunner7671]

Oh we can check perimeter and split up?
Hmmm...

[A Drowned Kernel]

There's no reason to do both as far as I can see

[Hydrad]

There's no reason to do both as far as I can see

oh right... whoops.

[faust]

I'm so cool because I voted for chairs first!

Load
Check the Perimeter

Note that chairs is at 5 votes right now I think, which is L-2 by our standards.

faust Vote Count (1): yuma

[2.71828.....]

Load

Check the perimeter

[Hydrad]

I'm so cool because I voted for chairs first!

Load
Check the Perimeter

Note that chairs is at 5 votes right now I think, which is L-2 by our standards.

faust Vote Count (1): yuma

its only L-2 once we actually load though!

[A Drowned Kernel]

Load

[faust]

I'm so cool because I voted for chairs first!

Load
Check the Perimeter

Note that chairs is at 5 votes right now I think, which is L-2 by our standards.

faust Vote Count (1): yuma

its only L-2 once we actually load though!

It's going to be pretty hard to determine when we have a majority loading (and we might already have it) so it's best to treat everyone as hated from now on.

[Hydrad]

I'm so cool because I voted for chairs first!

Load
Check the Perimeter

Note that chairs is at 5 votes right now I think, which is L-2 by our standards.

faust Vote Count (1): yuma

its only L-2 once we actually load though!

It's going to be pretty hard to determine when we have a majority loading (and we might already have it) so it's best to treat everyone as hated from now on.

fair enough

[chairs]

That escalated quickly. I didn't actually realize ADK had opted to split up before RR.

vote: ADK.

[silverspawn]

okay, voting does not count when you do it before the window, if I understood ash's answer correctly.

so

Load
Check the Perimeter

[Roadrunner7671]

That escalated quickly. I didn't actually realize ADK had opted to split up before RR.

vote: ADK.

Scum wouldn't do this.

[Hydrad]

That escalated quickly. I didn't actually realize ADK had opted to split up before RR.

vote: ADK.

Scum wouldn't do this.

but maybe thats just what scum!chairs wants you to think!!!

[A Drowned Kernel]

That escalated quickly. I didn't actually realize ADK had opted to split up before RR.

vote: ADK.

Scum wouldn't do this.

Why not?

[2.71828.....]

So this is what I have right now:

Load (10): EFHW, Limetime, WW, gkrieg, chairs, Hydrad, faust, 2.7, ADK, silverspawn
Check the Perimeter (7): Limetime, gkrieg, chairs, Hydrad, faust, 2.7, silverspawn
Split Up (2): RR, Hydrad

[A Drowned Kernel]

So SirMartin has exactly one post so far, what's up SirMartin? Any opinions?

[faust]

So SirMartin has exactly one post so far, what's up SirMartin? Any opinions?

That post is also more than 24 hours old, so SirMartin has violated a game rule.

[Limetime]

So SirMartin has exactly one post so far, what's up SirMartin? Any opinions?

That post is also more than 24 hours old, so SirMartin has violated a game rule.

Oh no

[Roadrunner7671]

So SirMartin has exactly one post so far, what's up SirMartin? Any opinions?

That post is also more than 24 hours old, so SirMartin has violated a game rule.

Oh no

[2.71828.....]

why so doom and gloom?  yeah.  It is bad, yes.  But not the end of the world.

[Roadrunner7671]

why so doom and gloom?  yeah.  It is bad, yes.  But not the end of the world.

Maybe he'll get modkilled, which will cause the end of the world (he coulf be the universal enabler).

[SirMartin]

Well, I forgot how time consuming Forum Mafia is. I'm on a phone but I have a good block of time to contribute.

[faust]

why so doom and gloom?  yeah.  It is bad, yes.  But not the end of the world.

Maybe he'll get modkilled, which will cause the end of the world (he coulf be the universal enabler).

This is TWD mafia... so the end of the world pretty much happened already.

[SirMartin]

So I think the phrase 'vigs gonna vig' is an excellent phrase to apply here.

If we have the options, to load, split up and check out the perimeter, why not do so? It's fun!

It seems like scum hunting isn't a priority, that needs to change. Come on, it's mafia! We gotta take the mafia down!
While I was reading a new reply had been posted, but I do not wish to review my current post.

[SirMartin]

And you can call me scummy, but all this talk about our group actions is really scummy. They probably have a marginal impact on the game, this isn't what mafia is about. We need to ignore all the shiny distractions and lynch the scums.

[gkrieg13]

It is an ash invented RMM game. The actions we make as a group will have a big effect

[Roadrunner7671]

It is an ash invented RMM game. The actions we make as a group will have a big effect

Even though SirMartin is scummy, I'm with him on this one. We need to catch scum.

[faust]

It seems like scum hunting isn't a priority, that needs to change. Come on, it's mafia! We gotta take the mafia down!

Well you know, it would be kinda nice if you would actually DO some scumhunting yourself instead of being our cheerleader.

[silverspawn]

And you can call me scummy

That's good, because you are scummy.

[gkrieg13]

And you can call me scummy

That's good, because you are scummy.

Why is he scummy?

[silverspawn]

discouraging us from discussing the setup makes no sense

[faust]

discouraging us from discussing the setup makes no sense

Nonsensical things are usually not scummy though.

[EFHW]

Hey EFHW is here yay!

But she is always on the opposite team from me so Booooooo!

are you claiming scum?

[gkrieg13]

Hey EFHW is here yay!

But she is always on the opposite team from me so Booooooo!

are you claiming scum?

I'm pretty sure it's your turn...

[ashersky]

Vote Count 1.2:

chairs (5): faust, Witherweaver, silverspawn, A Drowned Kernel, Hydrad
yuma (1): Roadrunner7671

Not Voting (8): yuma, 2.7, gkrieg13, EFHW, Limetime, Ampharos, chairs, SirMartin, Haddock

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

Day 1 ends on March 26 at 4:20 p.m. forum time.

Load has been triggered.
Check the Perimeter has been triggered.

Group Factional Abilities that have been triggered go into effect at the end of the Action Submission Window.

[yuma]

So chairs has a wagon and I don't know why. I blame myself. I haven't really been paying attention...

[Roadrunner7671]

So chairs has a wagon and I don't know why. I blame myself. I haven't really been paying attention...

He voted for me for being different then the entire group hightailed him.

[Ampharos]

I've been so interested in the setup that I haven't been scum hunting yet.  I'll do some reading on that today

[SirMartin]

discouraging us from discussing the setup makes no sense

I'm not doing that, I'm just encouraging scum hunting as a priority.

[SirMartin]

Well you know, it would be kinda nice if you would actually DO some scumhunting yourself instead of being our cheerleader.

Fine. Reread time.

[chairs]

If I could just interject here, I don't know why I have a wagon on me either.

[Roadrunner7671]

If I could just interject here, I don't know why I have a wagon on me either.

Voting for Roadrunner is generally a bad thing.

[EFHW]

If I could just interject here, I don't know why I have a wagon on me either.

Your ADK vote made me consider voting you.

[EFHW]

If I could just interject here, I don't know why I have a wagon on me either.

Your ADK vote made me consider voting you.

looks like it's missing from the vote count

[ashersky]

Added one line regarding flavor to the Universal Information post.

[SirMartin]

Split Up
It seems worth the risk. If these actions are such a big deal, we should harness their powers, yes?

[Ampharos]

Well, just because it is there doesn't mean we should necessarily use it.  We're already searching the perimeter, so I'm not sure why we'd need to also Split Up, if preventing zombies is the primary concern. 

[Ampharos]

Additionally, one of the primary concerns is that Splitting Up may enable a scum power of some sort. 

[Roadrunner7671]

Additionally, one of the primary concerns is that Splitting Up may enable a scum power of some sort.

We're gonna have to Split Up at some point. It's better to do so now then at LyLo later.

[Ampharos]

Additionally, one of the primary concerns is that Splitting Up may enable a scum power of some sort.

We're gonna have to Split Up at some point. It's better to do so now then at LyLo later.

Did I miss something? Why do we ever have to split up?

[Roadrunner7671]

Additionally, one of the primary concerns is that Splitting Up may enable a scum power of some sort.

We're gonna have to Split Up at some point. It's better to do so now then at LyLo later.

Did I miss something? Why do we ever have to split up?

If we could do good things without splitting up, it wouldn't be an option.

[Ampharos]

Additionally, one of the primary concerns is that Splitting Up may enable a scum power of some sort.

We're gonna have to Split Up at some point. It's better to do so now then at LyLo later.

Did I miss something? Why do we ever have to split up?

If we could do good things without splitting up, it wouldn't be an option.

I'm not following. Help

[Roadrunner7671]

Additionally, one of the primary concerns is that Splitting Up may enable a scum power of some sort.

We're gonna have to Split Up at some point. It's better to do so now then at LyLo later.

Did I miss something? Why do we ever have to split up?

If we could do good things without splitting up, it wouldn't be an option.

I'm not following. Help

I is the help.

We have to Split Up.

[Ampharos]

 

i cri evrytiem

[Roadrunner7671]

i cri evrytiem

Sssshhhhh
Just repeat after me: Split Up

[Hydrad]

I do kinda agree with rr here about split up. Well about the part of finding out what it does. Not the part that it's nessecarily needed

[Haddock]

Hmm. Not sure about RR here. He does do this sort of thing  though.  Splitting up does not seem fabulous.

[Roadrunner7671]

Hmm. Not sure about RR here. He does do this sort of thing  though.  Splitting up does not seem fabulous.

How do you know?

Mod WIFOM is not a thing. Keeping people safe from zombies is a thing.

[Ampharos]

"Mod WIFOM" is definitely a thing, especially in RMM.

[yuma]

"Mod WIFOM" is definitely a thing, especially in RMM.

It is a thing. But it is a thing that more often than not gets players into trouble...

[A Drowned Kernel]

I like check the perimeter more. Mostly because RR doesn't.

[Roadrunner7671]

I like check the perimeter more. Mostly because RR doesn't.

Way to be a contrarian

[ashersky]

I noted a counting error in my previous vote count regarding Check the Perimeter.  It was not triggered at that point.

It has since been triggered.  I apologize for the mod error.

[silverspawn]

DO NOT SPLIT UP

It has very likely zero benefit according to the description, since we are already checking the peremiter. I am pretty sure we should do one of the two, not both. We don't know what disadvantages it can have. Don't cast any more votes on it.

[yuma]

Ps for those of you curious here is what happened in that Ozle game. It was an event where each person was allowed to decide if they wanted to go and explore. About half the town went and as they went they were able to post in this QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/mtKRFNuCGpGmJ

Players that left were only able to vote in the main thread. The explore involved them trying to get on an idol... I don't remember what the idol did. But it resulted in the town getting an item... a compass in the hands of scum and one of our players trapped in a pit and was basically in jail the rest of the game.

I honestly can't remember what the compass did.

Anyways. I Don't know if I would expect the zaniness or craziness of Ozle here in an ash game, but I think his RMM games have had slight homages to those crazy days of Ozle. But I highly doubt that these group triggers are as simple as they seem and are likely both potentially bad and potentially good. I tend to be of the opinion that it is best to find out what they are so we can make a decision going forward.

So I think I would argue to split up. I won't vote cause ss just posted in ALL CAPS not to. But I think the discussion is worth having and shouldn't just be stomped upon by someone who can use a caps lock.

[yuma]

Oh yeah... I was the one who saved Galz from the pit. That was like my one shining moment that game.

[silverspawn]

So I think I would argue to split up. I won't vote cause ss just posted in ALL CAPS not to. But I think the discussion is worth having and shouldn't just be stomped upon by someone who can use a caps lock.

I could be convinced to splitting up. But a lot of players seem to just do it without giving it much thought, which I don't like. And hey, I only used caps because I couldn't bold it!

[silverspawn]

I'm not convinced yet though, because i honestly expect nothing good to happen. I think the upside is protection which we already have. If nothing good happens, we also don't learn anything.

[Ampharos]

I'm thinking along the lines of a scientific experiment.  Through multiple variables into the equation, and something might happen, or something might not, but now you know nothing about either since you're not sure which variable did/didn't do something.

[silverspawn]

I'm thinking along the lines of a scientific experiment.  Through multiple variables into the equation, and something might happen, or something might not, but now you know nothing about either since you're not sure which variable did/didn't do something.

Looking at that why is starting with 3 better than with 2?

[Ampharos]

What?

[silverspawn]

well why does also splitting up tell us more if it's a scientific experiment?

[gkrieg13]

I think we should save the splitting up to another day

[Ampharos]

well why does also splitting up tell us more if it's a scientific experiment?

I think you must be confusing me with someone else

[yuma]

I'm thinking along the lines of a scientific experiment.  Through multiple variables into the equation, and something might happen, or something might not, but now you know nothing about either since you're not sure which variable did/didn't do something.

This is a fair point. if the events were in isolation I think it would be better to go for them just to learn. But yes determine what caused what may be more difficult, or not... we really don't know. So I guess I am against now. Good job!

[ashersky]

The Day Action Submission Window has closed. 

silverspawn, chairs, ampharos, and SirMartin have left on patrol to check the perimeter.  They will be unavailable to post for the next 48 hours or vote the rest of the day.

One bullet is loaded in the gun.  Two players now take one less vote to lynch today.

[Roadrunner7671]

Yay! I still get to post!

[ashersky]

Vote Count 1.3:

chairs (4): faust, Witherweaver, A Drowned Kernel, Hydrad
yuma (1): Roadrunner7671

Not Voting (9): silverspawn, yuma, 2.7, gkrieg13, EFHW, Limetime, Ampharos, chairs, SirMartin, Haddock

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

Day 1 ends on March 26 at 4:20 p.m. forum time.

[gkrieg13]

So L-2 is dangerous now

Luckily we have plurality lynch today

[faust]

Well, we didn't lose our more talkative members (except silver), so that's good for keeping us going while they're gone.

[2.71828.....]

So L-2 is dangerous now

Luckily we have plurality lynch today

Which is exactly why checking the perimeter is so good right now. Once we get fewer than 10 I think we might want to think about splitting up rather than checking the perimeter, but while we have the plurality rule in effect I like checking the perimeter

[A Drowned Kernel]

So let's Lynch chairs now

[Limetime]

So let's Lynch chairs now

Why?

[A Drowned Kernel]

So let's Lynch chairs now

Why?

Why not?

[faust]

Day action talk is over. Let the scumhunting begin.

So chairs. People ask "why is he scummy?" Let's see.

To me, Lock & Load is practically a no-brainer here since we minimize the downside of hated and prep the gun for zombie shooting. The only downside I could see is if that somehow enables a scum power (since now you have a loaded gun around).

CtP seems very useful, but the fact that the perimeter checkers can't vote really hurts, even if all the scum are on perimeter duty, because it minimizes interaction, even not taking into account the TWO DAYS real time of them not talking, not reacting to the game.

Split up doesn't seem to have a downside listed, which is what initially drew me to the "I bet scum powers are enabled/modified based on day actions of the group".

This is his first post, and uh it's trying to be helpful while not providing any particular insights. Much "On one hand, on the other hand", no clear stances.

tl;dr I suspect there's hidden downsides to all the abilities, but in particular I suspect "split up" is a surprisingly high-downside choice and barring a lack of alternatives due to zombie infestation issues, I would suggest we avoid it.

One thing that hasn't been discussed is that we are currently at 14p - we need to keep in mind that eventually we probably want to move (if it doesn't happen naturally)  to transition to an odd number of players via no lynch. Today's not the day for that, since we have no idea what night will bring, but it's something to keep in mind before we get to mylo, probably.

More artificial helpfulness. Worrying about the number of players in a 14 player RMM just seems fake, and tring to find something to talk about.

Also, I know the role name of a player that is likely town-aligned. Just sayin'.

Kind of curious about this.

What's this supposed to be? Obviously I shared as much as I wanted to. So rolefishing.

Scum could be Governor-aligned, maybe? I can see the justification for it in the flavor.

More posts that feel like "I need to talk about something".

Then the scummy RR vote for doing the thing ADK did. Also the reasoning is weak... scum would be very careful to push an option that benefits them. An easy switch to ADK follows, based on the same flawed reasoning.

Mostly his posts just have an artificial feel to them. Town!chairs simply lurks when there is nothing to say. Also town!chairs is less likely to explain his votes.

[Limetime]

Vote: chairs

[A Drowned Kernel]

I'm not in favor of lynching chairs before he gets back, though. So what do we talk about for the next two days?

[faust]

Good, so, what can we learn from the flavor? Kinda seems important to watch out for. Remember, ash made it very clear that flavor is important, so I'll search it for clues, because clues seem very relevant.

Rick, you said you'd turn it on every day at dawn.

I think this means we get a Morgan update every Dawn. Eh, that likely means that lynch flavor (which happens at Twilight) will be different. Gotta wonder how.

There's always signs, information available if you just look around and pay attention.  I'm reading the signs in the grass, the trees, the dead...

Everything is important.  Everything matters.  Everything means something.  You've got to read the signs, Rick.  They are universal.  It's the most important information around, and it will keep you alive.

I think that is clear as day, and confirms that we really should look at the flavor intensely.

Now, we're runnin' from walkers, and if you are tagged, you die.

So, can this give us some indication about how zombie attacks work? It is not out of the question that some of us are inherently slower than others, and will always get eaten first. Could also be random though.

[Roadrunner7671]

There are breadcrumbs in the flavor, yes.

[faust]

I'm not in favor of lynching chairs before he gets back, though. So what do we talk about for the next two days?

Well, there's gotta be more than one scum. We should look who's scummiest among the people that can still post.

faust, WW, ADK, Hydrad, RR, yuma, e, gkrieg, EFHW, Limetime, Haddock

Why is that 11? It should be 10. Because it says 14 alive, but there are 15 players. Going to ask whether this is intentional.

[2.71828.....]

Why is that 11? It should be 10. Because it says 14 alive, but there are 15 players. Going to ask whether this is intentional.

It is right. I can't vote today. My name shows up but it doesn't count.

[2.71828.....]

I would prefer not to claim any more than that at this point. I didn't claim earlier because 1) I have been busy and 2) getting day action discussion was more important in my mind

[gkrieg13]

So that means Even fewer people can vote

[gkrieg13]

So it probably won't be a majority lynch today.

[2.71828.....]

I severely need to reread, and will do that. I don't know why chairs is all that scummy right now, but the wagon is interesting

[faust]

Why is that 11? It should be 10. Because it says 14 alive, but there are 15 players. Going to ask whether this is intentional.

It is right. I can't vote today. My name shows up but it doesn't count.

But we can still vote for you I assume?

[2.71828.....]

Why is that 11? It should be 10. Because it says 14 alive, but there are 15 players. Going to ask whether this is intentional.

It is right. I can't vote today. My name shows up but it doesn't count.

But we can still vote for you I assume?

Yes

[faust]

So that means Even fewer people can vote

Well, there are 9 people who can vote and it takes 8 to lynch, so it would have to be a consensus, assuming no selfvotes. Or I guess 1 person can disagree if we lynch among the players who cannot vote.

[faust]

By the way, I asked, and for end-of-day tallying hated counts the same as having a vote. So if one players has 6 votes and the other 5 and is hated, then that would mean that both could die. That's something we should keep in mind.

[Hydrad]

By the way, I asked, and for end-of-day tallying hated counts the same as having a vote. So if one players has 6 votes and the other 5 and is hated, then that would mean that both could die. That's something we should keep in mind.

oh i didn't even think of that. good call.

[gkrieg13]

Just some notes from rereading.

Haddock seems pretty scummy with his first post. 

I don't plan on voting for faust today.

I think we are safe to assume that one of us is Morgan? (not rolefishing here, just brainstorming/getting thoughts down)

Just a thought: Splitting up would also maybe not let scum all talk in the same QT?

I definitely agree with ADK's vote on Haddock.

I don't get why yuma is gunning so hard for faust at this point.  So he asked people not to vote for him, I think you give him the benefit of the doubt for at least one day.

I also didn't like yuma's red QT thing.  But I think it is just him trying to start conversation.

RR seems like himself, and not very scummy to me.  He has to understand that voting for him is not a bad thing.

e's first post seems a little weird to me. 

EFHW points out that we can only shoot during the day, this is something to keep in mind.

For those who don't know why chairs had a wagon spring up on him, I think it is mainly for his vote on RR.  It seems very forced.

http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=14863.msg579526#msg579526

Hydrad's posts don't seem to have much in them.

chairs then changes his vote to ADK when he realizes that he was actually the first one to consider splitting up, which in my opinion looks even more scummy.

SirMartin really should post more.  He also seems to have not read the setup, and forgotten the Day action submission window is important, which is why everyone was talking about it. I can't tell if he is trying to move people out of that artificially, or if that is really what he was thinking would help people.

Ironically he just goes and talks about group actions right after making the big post on scum hunting...

Oh just read that most of the people I commented on won't be able to recomment on my comments for 48 hours.  Oh well

I want EFHW talking more though.  She is usually a cause for good.

Faust has a good post about chairs.

Also it doesn't say that e is alive?   That seems super super super super bad considering the flavor of the mafia we are playing.  Like really bad

vote: e

[Roadrunner7671]

Read the setup.

Ashersky is Morgan!

[Limetime]

If e is dead then that means we should deal with him.
vote: E

[2.71828.....]

Except...e is not dead.

QED

[Roadrunner7671]

If e is dead then that means we should deal with him.
vote: E

He's not dead, he's just voteless for the day (or so he says).

[gkrieg13]

But it says only 14 players are alive

[Roadrunner7671]

But it says only 14 players are alive

Except...e is not dead.

QED

[Limetime]

unvote for now
Don't see many better alternatives though.

[faust]

I for one would be rather surprised if the mafia was zombies. That just doesn't work; zombies are in no way like mafia. They win through sheer numbers, not cunning plans. I think zombies are much more of a force of nature while the real threat is humans. Which is incidentally what the show is all about. So I don't really buy that e is scummy for not being 'alive'.

[gkrieg13]

fine  unvote.  I got pretty excited when I found that out

[yuma]

Vote: chairs

Coming right after fausts post...

Vote: limetime

[Limetime]

Vote: chairs

Coming right after fausts post...

Vote: limetime

How else do you sheep?

[yuma]

Vote: chairs

Coming right after fausts post...

Vote: limetime

How else do you sheep?

I'll occasionally change my avatar to this:

[yuma]

So............

I got bit....

???

[Hydrad]

So............

I got bit....

???

wait what?

like this just happened kinda thing?

we are CTP right? I thought we were safe.

[Limetime]

So............

I got bit....

???

wait what?

like this just happened kinda thing?

we are CTP right? I thought we were safe.

He got bit by a rabid sheep

[yuma]

So............

I got bit....

???

wait what?

like this just happened kinda thing?

we are CTP right? I thought we were safe.

Time stamp in my QT informing me was pretty similar to when ash posted about the Day Action Submission closed... Hadn't checked it until now. Others probably should as well...

[yuma]

and I don't know about the CTP. Maybe the bite occurred previously to that. And it doesn't specifically say it is from a zombie... just a bite. So maybe it was a bug bite or something? Or maybe there is a zombie among us?

[Roadrunner7671]

and I don't know about the CTP. Maybe the bite occurred previously to that. And it doesn't specifically say it is from a zombie... just a bite. So maybe it was a bug bite or something? Or maybe there is a zombie among us?

We're gonna have to put you down. I hope you know this.

[yuma]

and I don't know about the CTP. Maybe the bite occurred previously to that. And it doesn't specifically say it is from a zombie... just a bite. So maybe it was a bug bite or something? Or maybe there is a zombie among us?

We're gonna have to put you down. I hope you know this.

I certainly don't know this and find this response extremely scummy from you

1. you don't know it is a zombie bite
2. you don't know if there is some way to stop the bite
3. you don't know if there are other mechanics in the game

[Roadrunner7671]

and I don't know about the CTP. Maybe the bite occurred previously to that. And it doesn't specifically say it is from a zombie... just a bite. So maybe it was a bug bite or something? Or maybe there is a zombie among us?

We're gonna have to put you down. I hope you know this.

I certainly don't know this and find this response extremely scummy from you

1. you don't know it is a zombie bite
2. you don't know if there is some way to stop the bite
3. you don't know if there are other mechanics in the game

1. Why would Ashersky tell you that you just got randomly bit by something? I'd suggest asking him what you got bit by.
2. There is no cure.
3. Other mechanics or not, you've been (presumably) butten by a zombe. What other mechanics can help you?

Remember Jim? Amy? Remember what happened to them?

[Hydrad]

I don't know much about TWD. But if its like dune or something it could be like where people were low on water or had their stillsuits broken. town usually had a way to help people out who had detrimental effects onto them so I'm guessing its the same here.

also would it make any sense for mafia to control zombies at all? or is that absurd in TWD.

[Roadrunner7671]

I don't know much about TWD. But if its like dune or something it could be like where people were low on water or had their stillsuits broken. town usually had a way to help people out who had detrimental effects onto them so I'm guessing its the same here.

also would it make any sense for mafia to control zombies at all? or is that absurd in TWD.

We'll have to cut Yuma's arm off.


Mafia could control the zombies, but only if they cut the zombie's arms and jaw off. The character Michonne did this and the zombies stopped being aggressive, but they wouldn't be able to bite Yuma, either.

[A Drowned Kernel]

If people come back whether or not they get bit we presumably want to keep Yuma alive as long as possible. And if someone has a way to handle people getting bit that would be super.

[Roadrunner7671]

If people come back whether or not they get bit we presumably want to keep Yuma alive as long as possible. And if someone has a way to handle people getting bit that would be super.

Lock

[gkrieg13]

So............

I got bit....

???

We don't have any way to do anything right?

[yuma]

and I don't know about the CTP. Maybe the bite occurred previously to that. And it doesn't specifically say it is from a zombie... just a bite. So maybe it was a bug bite or something? Or maybe there is a zombie among us?

We're gonna have to put you down. I hope you know this.

I certainly don't know this and find this response extremely scummy from you

1. you don't know it is a zombie bite
2. you don't know if there is some way to stop the bite
3. you don't know if there are other mechanics in the game

1. Why would Ashersky tell you that you just got randomly bit by something? I'd suggest asking him what you got bit by.
2. There is no cure.
3. Other mechanics or not, you've been (presumably) butten by a zombe. What other mechanics can help you?

Remember Jim? Amy? Remember what happened to them?

Haven't seen the show. But this isn't the show. It is a game based off the show.

And I am not saying I should absolutely live. But let's look at what resources are out there before throwing me off a cliff...

[yuma]

I don't know much about TWD. But if its like dune or something it could be like where people were low on water or had their stillsuits broken. town usually had a way to help people out who had detrimental effects onto them so I'm guessing its the same here.

also would it make any sense for mafia to control zombies at all? or is that absurd in TWD.

We'll have to cut Yuma's arm off.


Mafia could control the zombies, but only if they cut the zombie's arms and jaw off. The character Michonne did this and the zombies stopped being aggressive, but they wouldn't be able to bite Yuma, either.

And it's my leg...

[yuma]

So............

I got bit....

???

We don't have any way to do anything right?

No idea. I don't think I do. Maybe others do?

[Roadrunner7671]

But this isn't the show. It is a game based off the show..

I'm trying not to break the fourth wall!

Ppe 2

[Roadrunner7671]

I don't know much about TWD. But if its like dune or something it could be like where people were low on water or had their stillsuits broken. town usually had a way to help people out who had detrimental effects onto them so I'm guessing its the same here.

also would it make any sense for mafia to control zombies at all? or is that absurd in TWD.

We'll have to cut Yuma's arm off.


Mafia could control the zombies, but only if they cut the zombie's arms and jaw off. The character Michonne did this and the zombies stopped being aggressive, but they wouldn't be able to bite Yuma, either.

And it's my leg...

Is this mod confirmed?

[Roadrunner7671]

So............

I got bit....

???

We don't have any way to do anything right?

No idea. I don't think I do. Maybe others do?

If it was really your leg, we can cut it off!

[yuma]

I don't know much about TWD. But if its like dune or something it could be like where people were low on water or had their stillsuits broken. town usually had a way to help people out who had detrimental effects onto them so I'm guessing its the same here.

also would it make any sense for mafia to control zombies at all? or is that absurd in TWD.

We'll have to cut Yuma's arm off.


Mafia could control the zombies, but only if they cut the zombie's arms and jaw off. The character Michonne did this and the zombies stopped being aggressive, but they wouldn't be able to bite Yuma, either.

And it's my leg...

Is this mod confirmed?

Yes. The leg part. Not that it was certainly bitten by a zombie. I have asked that question though.

[Roadrunner7671]

Good. Where did I leave my ax?

In all seriousness, if amputation is possible, it's definitely the best/only course of action if you were chomped on by a zombie.

But it has to happen before the infection spreads. So hopefully ashersky will come online!

[gkrieg13]

I don't know much about TWD. But if its like dune or something it could be like where people were low on water or had their stillsuits broken. town usually had a way to help people out who had detrimental effects onto them so I'm guessing its the same here.

also would it make any sense for mafia to control zombies at all? or is that absurd in TWD.

We'll have to cut Yuma's arm off.


Mafia could control the zombies, but only if they cut the zombie's arms and jaw off. The character Michonne did this and the zombies stopped being aggressive, but they wouldn't be able to bite Yuma, either.

And it's my leg...

Is this mod confirmed?

Yes. The leg part. Not that it was certainly bitten by a zombie. I have asked that question though.

Definitely ask ash if you can cut it off. I don't have any way to cut off your leg

[Roadrunner7671]

I don't know much about TWD. But if its like dune or something it could be like where people were low on water or had their stillsuits broken. town usually had a way to help people out who had detrimental effects onto them so I'm guessing its the same here.

also would it make any sense for mafia to control zombies at all? or is that absurd in TWD.

We'll have to cut Yuma's arm off.


Mafia could control the zombies, but only if they cut the zombie's arms and jaw off. The character Michonne did this and the zombies stopped being aggressive, but they wouldn't be able to bite Yuma, either.

And it's my leg...

Is this mod confirmed?

Yes. The leg part. Not that it was certainly bitten by a zombie. I have asked that question though.

Definitely ask ash if you can cut it off. I don't have any way to cut off your leg

It's...it's coming off.

[Roadrunner7671]

I could've come off as sassy or bossy. I don't want that.

But I also don't want Yuma to die. So he should say his goodbyes before he parts with his leg (unless he'd rathet die a slow, painful death then kill us all).

[A Drowned Kernel]

Good. Where did I leave my ax?

In all seriousness, if amputation is possible, it's definitely the best/only course of action if you were chomped on by a zombie.

But it has to happen before the infection spreads. So hopefully ashersky will come online!

I'm pretty that time passing is measured in game states, not IRL time.

[Roadrunner7671]

Guys, if Ashersky wanted someone to die, they would've been bitten in the stomach or face or something, not a limb. This is not a death sentence, this is just us puttng Yums on the chopping block.

[A Drowned Kernel]

Who's treating it as a death sentence?

[yuma]

O would request that if some one does have a way to stop my infection, if I have one, to request my permission before taking any action. I should b online pretty regularly to respond to any ideas. But dont go rogue on me...

[yuma]

Who's treating it as a death sentence?

RR was the only one I can think of

[2.71828.....]

Noooooooo. Yuma bit m

[2.71828.....]

Who's treating it as a death sentence?

RR was the only one I can think of

Bad rr. Wait he wanted amputate right m

[2.71828.....]

O would request that if some one does have a way to stop my infection, if I have one, to request my permission before taking any action. I should b online pretty regularly to respond to any ideas. But dont go rogue on me...

Going foetus of bag. Don't go foodie

[2.71828.....]

Fick. Let me get computer. Easier to post than form phone

[Haddock]

Drunk e is hilarious.

I don't want to vote for him.  His inability to vote presumably comes about as a drawback of some power he used; which could happen as either alignment.
RR, meanwhile, looks pretty bad at this point - he's being weird in a different way than usual.

Oh and I've just seen that there's a wagon and a case on chairs (I'm a bit behind, sorry - in Italy).  I'll have a look at that when I get a chance - day 1 cases on chairs are pretty few and far between!

[Haddock]

I meant to put a vote: RR in there somewhere.

[faust]

I think RR's reaction is pretty normal from someone who's seen the show. Bitemarks are usually a death sentence. But in the leg... someone should be able to cut it off. I'll ask if I maybe can? But it's entirely possible that that power is with someone we sent away...

[faust]

There is precedent for a character losing a leg on the show, would be interesting to know if yuma is that character. The character later loses other pody parts too, but you know... let's not get a head of ourselves.

[faust]

So, RR, do you have a way of cutting yuma's leg off? Because your posts are a bit ambiguous. If so, we should totally do it. I think that RR comes off pretty townie from this (definitely the most pro-town I've seen him in a while).

[faust]

It does seem as though we need a special role to cut limbs off. I cannot do it.

It's worth noting that infection from bites takes around 2 days to kill you. It's entirely possible that yuma will stick around for a bit even if we cannot treat it. Though there is always the threat of him turning at some random point and then zombie!yuma will come to eat us all.

[ashersky]

Vote Count 1.4:

chairs (4): faust, Witherweaver, A Drowned Kernel, Hydrad
yuma (1): Roadrunner7671
Limetime (1): yuma
Roadrunner7671 (1): Haddock

Not Voting (7): silverspawn, 2.7, EFHW, Ampharos, chairs, SirMartin, Limetime, gkrieg13

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

Day 1 ends on March 26 at 4:20 p.m. forum time.

[A Drowned Kernel]

It does seem as though we need a special role to cut limbs off. I cannot do it.

It's worth noting that infection from bites takes around 2 days to kill you. It's entirely possible that yuma will stick around for a bit even if we cannot treat it. Though there is always the threat of him turning at some random point and then zombie!yuma will come to eat us all.

I think it's possible that everyone who dies will come back as a zombie if I understand the flavor correctly. None of this makes me want to lynch yuma.

Where's EFHW? I feel like she's lurking pretty hard. vote: EFHW

[yuma]

For those who have watched the show... Is the infection only shared through bites? Or are there other means of sharing? Food, needles, sexual relations, mother to child, etc?

[Haddock]

If people dying come back as zombies then how has yuma already been bitten by one? I don't see there being player zombies and random ones too.

I have no way to treat yuma.
 Meant to say that earlier.

Also faust that's kinda my problem. He's doing his utmost to be protown.  That is not RRs town meta at all. He's not horribly antitown like some but he isn't usually heftily protown either.

[Haddock]

Just reread the last paragraph of that post. It's not very clear. I'm talking to faust about why I think know RR looks dodgy.

[Haddock]

Jeez. Phone. Ignore the word "know" in that previous post.

[faust]

Activity log:

Witherweaver: total posts: 11 - last post: 42 hours ago
yuma: total posts: 31 - last post: just now
e: total posts: 16 - last post: 9 hours ago
gkrieg: total posts: 17 - last post: 10 hours ago
faust: total posts: 42 - last post: 
EFHW: total posts: 8 - last post: 24 hours ago
Roadrunner: total posts: 46 - last post: 11 hours ago
ADK: total posts: 27 - last post: 2 hours ago
Haddock: total posts: 10 - last post: just now
Hydrad: total posts: 16 - last post: 11 hours ago
Limetime: total posts: 12 - last post: 12 hours ago

Leaving out those who are checking the perimeter. (I expect them to follow the game and share their thoughts once they're back though.) WW is risking his first and only prod already. EFHW steps over the 24 hours line. Come on guys, it was clear that this game would be a commitment, so post!

[gkrieg13]

Hey 18 isn't too bad

[faust]

For those who have watched the show... Is the infection only shared through bites? Or are there other means of sharing? Food, needles, sexual relations, mother to child, etc?

I don't know... there have been no sexual relations with a zombie (yuck). I think the "infection" from a zombie bite is more like blood poisoning that leads to your death eventually. They have shared food with a bitten one and didn't get infected. It seems you do get infected however if you eat the flesh of someone who's infected (don't ask).

[Roadrunner7671]

I'll see if I can get Yuma's leg off in any way.

[Roadrunner7671]

Maybe we can bite it off.

[Haddock]

My country looks pretty bad there.  I am in Italy, in fairness. And I think I often have more contenty posts than some.
But still. I will be better.  Some reads definitely needed, will be on it when I get a chance.

[faust]

So yuma, do you have confirmation that the bite is from a zombie?

[Haddock]

*count. As in post count. Jeez. Phone!

[faust]

If people dying come back as zombies then how has yuma already been bitten by one? I don't see there being player zombies and random ones too.

I have no way to treat yuma.
 Meant to say that earlier.

Also faust that's kinda my problem. He's doing his utmost to be protown.  That is not RRs town meta at all. He's not horribly antitown like some but he isn't usually heftily protown either.

This is taking place in a zombie apocalypse, so zombies are basically everywhere. I don't think that there are player zombies, but I wouldn't be surprised if scum can use zombies as a weapon.

I think RR is just excited because he likes the flavor. Though he really shouldn't know the flavor given his age...

[Roadrunner7671]

If people dying come back as zombies then how has yuma already been bitten by one? I don't see there being player zombies and random ones too.

I have no way to treat yuma.
 Meant to say that earlier.

Also faust that's kinda my problem. He's doing his utmost to be protown.  That is not RRs town meta at all. He's not horribly antitown like some but he isn't usually heftily protown either.

This is taking place in a zombie apocalypse, so zombies are basically everywhere. I don't think that there are player zombies, but I wouldn't be surprised if scum can use zombies as a weapon.

I think RR is just excited because he likes the flavor. Though he really shouldn't know the flavor given his age...

You've gotta be kidding me.

[faust]

You've gotta be kidding me.

I am

[faust]

I'll see if I can get Yuma's leg off in any way.

If there's nothing in your role description then I'm afraid that there's nothing you can do.

[Roadrunner7671]

I'll see if I can get Yuma's leg off in any way.

If there's nothing in your role description then I'm afraid that there's nothing you can do.

I already mentioned: we can bite it off if it comes to that (maybe).

[faust]

ashersky told me that the only way I can get yuma's leg off is in real life.

[yuma]

So yuma, do you have confirmation that the bite is from a zombie?

 No. It is painful with bite marks and blood. That is all I know.

[faust]

Any indication of when it happened? At night, during dawn, just now? I mean I could imagine you not immediately seeing the bite. Not knowing where it came from is... strange if you got it during the day. Ninja zombies?

[faust]

If you got it at dawn, that would make me suspect e. Because I think it's likely that e took a Dawn action that caused his votelessness.

[A Drowned Kernel]

Why would people getting bit be s thing if they didn't become zombies? Also the fact that the group actions make a distinction of "random zombies" indicates that there are other kinds.

[yuma]

Any indication of when it happened? At night, during dawn, just now? I mean I could imagine you not immediately seeing the bite. Not knowing where it came from is... strange if you got it during the day. Ninja zombies?

I can check the time stamp but I believe it was posted in my QT right before the check the perimeter happened but the way it was worded made it seem like I had the bite for a while. But my initial pm nor anything in between indicated that I had been bit previously.

[faust]

Why would people getting bit be s thing if they didn't become zombies? Also the fact that the group actions make a distinction of "random zombies" indicates that there are other kinds.

I am not sure I understand your question. People die if they got bit. If people are dead, they turn into zombies.

[Limetime]

Why would people getting bit be s thing if they didn't become zombies? Also the fact that the group actions make a distinction of "random zombies" indicates that there are other kinds.

I am not sure I understand your question. People die if they got bit. If people are dead, they turn into zombies.

Then how do we win?

[Roadrunner7671]

Why would people getting bit be s thing if they didn't become zombies? Also the fact that the group actions make a distinction of "random zombies" indicates that there are other kinds.

I am not sure I understand your question. People die if they got bit. If people are dead, they turn into zombies.

Then how do we win?

Instead of lynching them, we destroy their brain somehow.

[faust]

Why would people getting bit be s thing if they didn't become zombies? Also the fact that the group actions make a distinction of "random zombies" indicates that there are other kinds.

I am not sure I understand your question. People die if they got bit. If people are dead, they turn into zombies.

Then how do we win?

We don't. We do what we need to do, and then we get to live. But no matter what we find in D.C., I know we’ll be okay, because this is how we survive. We tell ourselves that we are the walking dead.

[A Drowned Kernel]

Why would people getting bit be s thing if they didn't become zombies? Also the fact that the group actions make a distinction of "random zombies" indicates that there are other kinds.

I am not sure I understand your question. People die if they got bit. If people are dead, they turn into zombies.

Someone was saying they didn't think dead people will become zombies. To me it makes more sense that they do.

[A Drowned Kernel]

And on a reread that's not what anyone was actually saying. Don't mind me.

[Hydrad]

I don't think I have the ablities to kill his leg. But really do we really need a power for that. I think anyone can just walk up with a sharp object and do it if it really needs to be done.

[A Drowned Kernel]

Do you have a sharp object?

[Hydrad]

Do you have a sharp object?

Hmm I'll ask but I'm betting the answer is no...

So i guess that makes sense why anyone can't do it. Maybe we have almost no sharp objects around us somehow and only a couple people do.

[Roadrunner7671]

Do you have a sharp object?

Hmm I'll ask but I'm betting the answer is no...

So i guess that makes sense why anyone can't do it. Maybe we have almost no sharp objects around us somehow and only a couple people do.

That's not the case, everyone carries a knife or something in case they encounter a zombie.

But we'd also need bandages and probably painkillers of some kind.

[faust]

Well the next action can only be taken at twilight anyway, right? So at least everyone will be back by then, and if anyone can do something (and I think there's at least one character in the show that should), we can manage it.

[yuma]

OK:

Full disclosure time... nothing I have said above is false (I do have a bite and stuff), but I do have more information that I think is time to share.

My role is such that if I die before Dawn on Day3 I will continue to live on--with a new role and ability. I don't know what that ability is, but I have a strong speculation that it might be an ICish role... However, if I don't die before that point I will die at Dawn Day3 and won't live on and just be completely dead....

So, that said, it might be good to just lynch me here. Stop any potential for infection spreading, and get me what ever my new role is. Again, I don't know what it is, but I do think that whatever it is has a good chance of being pretty good.

Also I have a guarantee that when I live on it will be as the same alignment that I currently am. So don't worry about me living on as a zombie. (Well I guess you can worry, but if you trust me then don't worry...)

Downside is that we are giving up an opportunity to find mafia. Lynching is our power to win the game. Lynching me prevents that from happening. Upside is that this means we don't have to lynch someone to the point of them not playing the game anymore. I always hate that we have to lynch in RMM games cause that means someone didn't get to use their cool roll during the night at all.

If we have a vig I think I would be a great target for tonight. But I think lynching me might be the better option.

Thoughts?

[gkrieg13]

I think we would be better off finding and lynching scum

[Haddock]

And on a reread that's not what anyone was actually saying. Don't mind me.

I actually sorta was saying that.  But youve convincd me that I may well be wrong.

This is fascinating from Yuma. I prefer to actually look for scum today but that is a inice backup.

[faust]

Huh. Well, I believe we're better off just letting yuma die from his bite. We don't know that lynching him, or killing him in any other way, will actually prevent him from being zombified. The bite wound infection will kill him sooner rather than later.

Question though... why did you reveal anything? Would it not have been better to just keep on going normally, hoping to draw the night kill before you die from your bite wound (which you could have kept quiet as well).

[A Drowned Kernel]

Will you flip if we lynch you? Otherwise I'm not for it today.

I wonder if that time frame is consistent for how long bites are going to take to kill people. I would assume so?

[yuma]

Huh. Well, I believe we're better off just letting yuma die from his bite. We don't know that lynching him, or killing him in any other way, will actually prevent him from being zombified. The bite wound infection will kill him sooner rather than later.

Question though... why did you reveal anything? Would it not have been better to just keep on going normally, hoping to draw the night kill before you die from your bite wound (which you could have kept quiet as well).

I don't know. I didn't think things completely through.

[yuma]

Will you flip if we lynch you? Otherwise I'm not for it today.

I wonder if that time frame is consistent for how long bites are going to take to kill people. I would assume so?

I don't know if I flip. I can ask

[EFHW]

Sorry everyone,  I haven't been lurking (assuming that means reading without posting), just haven't even been reading, been under the weather lately.

First off, biting yuma's leg off is a terrible idea,  since whoever did it would almost certainly become a zombie, too.

Second, we don't know how long it will take yuma to die, so if we believe him then we do want to make sure it happens by the end of his N2, assuming no one can amputate his leg. I can't.

If he dies on his own, he'll be a zombie, right? Maybe we need to destroy his brain, which lynching wouldn't accomplish.

yuma, is just a coincidence that you got bitten AND you happen to be able to come back from the dead? Something doesn't seem right there.

[EFHW]

Are we assuming e wasn't actually bitten by yuma?

[EFHW]

If people come back whether or not they get bit we presumably want to keep Yuma alive as long as possible. And if someone has a way to handle people getting bit that would be super.

Lock

Of course! We shoot yuma torrow at dawn. Lock, target = yuma

[EFHW]

We won't be able to load, again until day 3, though.

[faust]

If people come back whether or not they get bit we presumably want to keep Yuma alive as long as possible. And if someone has a way to handle people getting bit that would be super.

Lock

Of course! We shoot yuma torrow at dawn. Lock, target = yuma

I strongly advise against presubmitting any action with less information than we will have when the action needs to be submitted. Also the description states that it only works on zombies, so if yuma is still alive tomorrow, this will do nothing.

[faust]

Are we assuming e wasn't actually bitten by yuma?

 

[EFHW]

Noooooooo. Yuma bit m

[yuma]

yuma, is just a coincidence that you got bitten AND you happen to be able to come back from the dead? Something doesn't seem right there.

No. Not a coincidence I think...

The coming back to life is my role. I don't think my role has anything to do with my getting bit.

[yuma]

Noooooooo. Yuma bit m

I am thinking this is just drunk 2.7. I have no knowledge of biting anyone.

[2.71828.....]

Noooooooo. Yuma bit m

I am thinking this is just drunk 2.7. I have no knowledge of biting anyone.

yes.  That is me on my phone.  to type a "?" I hold down the "m" key and it will switch to a "?" except I didn't hold it down long enough and it was just an "m"

[2.71828.....]

I am going to reread this afternoon in a little while.

[A Drowned Kernel]

Yuma do you have any info on whether being bit affects your ability to come back?

[yuma]

Yuma do you have any info on whether being bit affects your ability to come back?

Nope. It just states that it happens if I die. But I don't know if become my a zombie counts as dying...

[faust]

Yuma do you have any info on whether being bit affects your ability to come back?

Nope. It just states that it happens if I die. But I don't know if become my a zombie counts as dying...

Since you cannot become a zombie without dying, I think it should.

[faust]

I'm worried about WW's disappearance... it's been more than 48 hours. Do we think that maybe he cannot post for some reason? It seems very uncharacteristic, and by now a prod should have been issued.

[gkrieg13]

I'm worried about WW's disappearance... it's been more than 48 hours. Do we think that maybe he cannot post for some reason? It seems very uncharacteristic, and by now a prod should have been issued.

You might want to request a prod on him then

[faust]

I'm worried about WW's disappearance... it's been more than 48 hours. Do we think that maybe he cannot post for some reason? It seems very uncharacteristic, and by now a prod should have been issued.

You might want to request a prod on him then

I don't think that's necessary:

6. One prod will be issued after 48 hours without posting in the game thread. Players are subject to replacement or modkill after one prod.

[Hydrad]

well I don't think we should lynch yuma today. it might give us some info on how long we have for a zombie bite and stuff to be an issue.

Although then we might have to make a decision tomorrow on whether to kill him or not... man thats an annoying role.

[Haddock]

Hi guys.

I'm back from Italy, hopefully I'll be better now.

That said, I'm totally lost this game.  We've still got time today right? 
Brainhurty.

[A Drowned Kernel]

I'm worried about WW's disappearance... it's been more than 48 hours. Do we think that maybe he cannot post for some reason? It seems very uncharacteristic, and by now a prod should have been issued.

He hasn't been on the forum in two days. For WW that's enough for me to be actually concerned.

[EFHW]

yuma, is just a coincidence that you got bitten AND you happen to be able to come back from the dead? Something doesn't seem right there.

No. Not a coincidence I think...

The coming back to life is my role. I don't think my role has anything to do with my getting bit.

That sounds like you DO think it is a coincidence.

[yuma]

yuma, is just a coincidence that you got bitten AND you happen to be able to come back from the dead? Something doesn't seem right there.

No. Not a coincidence I think...

The coming back to life is my role. I don't think my role has anything to do with my getting bit.

That sounds like you DO think it is a coincidence.

Ha. Yes, phone typing/reading. Misspoke.

[EFHW]

yuma - what actual time (in forum time) did ash leave you the message that you had been bitten?

[EFHW]

Also, after you die the first time, what is your status?  Are you "alive" or in some other state?

@e - are you alive?

[gkrieg13]

Also, after you die the first time, what is your status?  Are you "alive" or in some other state?

@e - are you alive?

I just asked that in my qt and am waiting for a response

[yuma]

I have asked a couple of questions and just gotten back a standard, all public information is in the first posts response. So I think a lot of this stuff we are just going to have to learn as we go along.

 I have asked to make sure we I can quote a timestamp and will post it if I can.

[faust]

I would guess that yuma's character just dies and a new one joins the group... that seems the most sensible flavor-wise. The new character could be Michonne, who only appears at the end of season 2. Kinda like Arrested Development Mafia (RMM14).

[yuma]

I would guess that yuma's character just dies and a new one joins the group... that seems the most sensible flavor-wise. The new character could be Michonne, who only appears at the end of season 2. Kinda like Arrested Development Mafia (RMM14).

I kinda think I am at the point where I want to flavor claim. partially because I feel like I need a clarification on some stuff from the people that would know...

[faust]

I would guess that yuma's character just dies and a new one joins the group... that seems the most sensible flavor-wise. The new character could be Michonne, who only appears at the end of season 2. Kinda like Arrested Development Mafia (RMM14).

I kinda think I am at the point where I want to flavor claim. partially because I feel like I need a clarification on some stuff from the people that would know...

I don't think it would hurt us given what you already claimed. And it could help.

[yuma]

I would guess that yuma's character just dies and a new one joins the group... that seems the most sensible flavor-wise. The new character could be Michonne, who only appears at the end of season 2. Kinda like Arrested Development Mafia (RMM14).

I kinda think I am at the point where I want to flavor claim. partially because I feel like I need a clarification on some stuff from the people that would know...

I don't think it would hurt us given what you already claimed. And it could help.

Well then I will claim. I am Lori Grimes. If I die and live on I will be Judith Grimes (her not yet born child). Hence my speculation about possibly being an IC? I could also see Judith being a tree-stump or something like that though...

[faust]

Hmm, well. That is not ideal. I get your question now whether the infection can spread to a child,but honestly I don't know, and I don't think there's something about this on the show (there might be in the comics). I would be very surprised if playing as a baby didn't come with significant downsides... like it would make no sense for you to be able to Check the Perimeter. You might end up a tree stump, or at least voteless. I feel like it will be better to try and keep you alive (assuming you're town).

[EFHW]

I would guess that yuma's character just dies and a new one joins the group... that seems the most sensible flavor-wise. The new character could be Michonne, who only appears at the end of season 2. Kinda like Arrested Development Mafia (RMM14).

Except there seems to be a category in between alive and dead that we don't understand.  e isn't a zombie, and he isn't dead, but he doesn't seem to be counted among the living players. He hasn't just lost his vote, b/c he isn't counted.  The people checking the perimeter are still counted as alive, though they can't post for two days or vote at all today.  e also says his state is temporary, which is weird.  I'd think he was a kind of daytime commuter, but he can post, so he is here. 

I'm going to re-reread the flavor.

[EFHW]

Does anyone know the back story on Duane?  Or Rick's son?

[EFHW]

Morgan says he's been "in a bad place for awhile".  Does anyone know what that would be?

[Roadrunner7671]

Does anyone know the back story on Duane?  Or Rick's son?

Yes

Morgan says he's been "in a bad place for awhile".  Does anyone know what that would be?

Yes

[faust]

Does anyone know the back story on Duane?  Or Rick's son?

Duane is Morgan's son. He was bitten by Morgan's (undead) wife because Morgan could not bring himself to shoot his wife. He turned into a zombie.

Rick's son is still alive. Don't know what else you want to know.

Morgan says he's been "in a bad place for awhile".  Does anyone know what that would be?

In the show, Morgan goes insane after the death of his son.He only recovers his sanity much later with the help of an Aikido master.

[Hydrad]

Hmm. So even if we are planning on having Yuma die we should probably still cut his leg off

[yuma]

Hmm. So even if we are planning on having Yuma die we should probably still cut his leg off

I think we realizeed that this isn't possible unless someone specifically has something to do that with. Which, it appears is not the case.

[gkrieg13]

When do our people get back from checking the perimeter?

[yuma]

Also, glad I asked. ash stated that I should not specifically state the time stamp. But instead use phrases that reference the phases of the game.

So I will repeat what I said earlier:

The Day Action Submission Window has closed. 

silverspawn, chairs, ampharos, and SirMartin have left on patrol to check the perimeter.  They will be unavailable to post for the next 48 hours or vote the rest of the day.

One bullet is loaded in the gun.  Two players now take one less vote to lynch today.

The first indication that I had been bit was posted very shortly after ash posted that the Day Action Submission had closed. Thus it seems to me that my being bit was caused by someone taking a Day Action. 2.7 seems like a plausible candidate as it appears he had something happen to him that could have been a repercussion of his action. But there could certainly be others who have Day Actions.

However, the wording made it appear as if I have had the bite for longer, but that just might be the story telling mechanic ash used...?

[chairs]

Not quoting the whole post, but ash did say this:

Flavor:

Flavor -- written by the mod -- matters. Treat it as a part of the game and read every word. Knowledge of The Walking Dead (either the comics or the television show) is not required, but will enhance enjoyment of the game. At the very least, read a summary somewhere. Again, any flavor written by me is part of the game.

Maybe the action was submitted at the beginning of the day action window, or perhaps it was a dawn phase action?

[yuma]

what happened to chair's post?

[yuma]

oh... he isn't allowed to post. That was a quick catch by the mod... I'll now delete it from my e-mail and pretend I never saw it.

[EFHW]

I asked ask if we can use the gun to shoot yuma.  He said there will be an explanation of how to use the lock action right before the start of the next day submission window.

[EFHW]

*ash

[ashersky]

chairs broke a rule by posting while on patrol.

He is now Hated for the rest of the game.

[2.71828.....]

@e - are you alive?

Yes. I just don't count for anything D1. I can claim more stuff of I become a serious lynch candidate, but would prefer not to

[2.71828.....]

Chairs being hated is not good. At least we know that is the case

[A Drowned Kernel]

I mean I still have a scumread on him so it's not the end of the world.

[faust]

Hmm. So even if we are planning on having Yuma die we should probably still cut his leg off

I think we realizeed that this isn't possible unless someone specifically has something to do that with. Which, it appears is not the case.

Well, we don't know about the people on patrol. Also if someone can use this as a Twilight action, maybe they simply plan on doing just that, and they don't need to claim it.

[yuma]

Hmm. So even if we are planning on having Yuma die we should probably still cut his leg off

I think we realizeed that this isn't possible unless someone specifically has something to do that with. Which, it appears is not the case.

Well, we don't know about the people on patrol. Also if someone can use this as a Twilight action, maybe they simply plan on doing just that, and they don't need to claim it.

sure. I am just saying we can't rely on being able to cut my leg off at any point unless it is a specific mechanic in the game. Some people seem to be thinking that they can create the mechanics themselves. Which isn't the case otherwise I would have already cut my own leg off.

[ashersky]

chairs broke a rule by posting while on patrol.

He is now Hated for the rest of the game.

To clarify, this modifier would stack with other instances of Hated, were they to be applied for another reason, such as those publicly known.

[faust]

We should tread carefully with chairs seeing as he is the major wagon and also hated. That effectively means that we sould consider 5 votes as L-1 for him. I think he's at 4 votes right now.

[ashersky]

Vote Count 1.5:

chairs (3): faust, Witherweaver, Hydrad
yuma (1): Roadrunner7671
Limetime (1): yuma
Roadrunner7671 (1): Haddock
EFHW (1): A Drowned Kernel

Not Voting (7): silverspawn, Ampharos, chairs, SirMartin, 2.7, EFHW, Limetime, gkrieg13

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

Day 1 ends on March 26 at 4:20 p.m. forum time.

[2.71828.....]

One thing though, this totally makes yuma IC for the day. I mean, killing him as soon as he turns is also a thing, but while he is around today pretty confident he is town

[faust]

One thing though, this totally makes yuma IC for the day. I mean, killing him as soon as he turns is also a thing, but while he is around today pretty confident he is town

I mean, it's a really cool thing to make up if it's made up. From experience though I'm not sure yuma is one to go for the really crazy fakeclaims.

[yuma]

One thing though, this totally makes yuma IC for the day. I mean, killing him as soon as he turns is also a thing, but while he is around today pretty confident he is town

I mean, it's a really cool thing to make up if it's made up. From experience though I'm not sure yuma is one to go for the really crazy fakeclaims.

Generally I am not.

Well full disclosure time... In Galz's RMM game I was given the role of a traitor and basically did a really crazy fake claim of JK to draw a real JK out and to get town credit for my scumbuddies who didn't even know I existed.

I also claimed SK. But those were both suicide plans. Although I guess if this were a fake claim, it would also be a suicide plan...

[faust]

Generally I am not.

Well full disclosure time... In Galz's RMM game I was given the role of a traitor and basically did a really crazy fake claim of JK to draw a real JK out and to get town credit for my scumbuddies who didn't even know I existed.

I also claimed SK. But those were both suicide plans. Although I guess if this were a fake claim, it would also be a suicide plan...

I don't see how it would be a suicide plan. If it works out, people give you towncred and you can claim that sucm is afraid of killing you.

Being Traitor generally calls for crazier plays. Which is part of why I like the role.

[yuma]

Generally I am not.

Well full disclosure time... In Galz's RMM game I was given the role of a traitor and basically did a really crazy fake claim of JK to draw a real JK out and to get town credit for my scumbuddies who didn't even know I existed.

I also claimed SK. But those were both suicide plans. Although I guess if this were a fake claim, it would also be a suicide plan...

I don't see how it would be a suicide plan. If it works out, people give you towncred and you can claim that sucm is afraid of killing you.

Being Traitor generally calls for crazier plays. Which is part of why I like the role.

Well I think pretending to have a bite mark and declaring it publicly in a zombie themed game would probably be considered relatively suicidal.

[faust]

Well I think pretending to have a bite mark and declaring it publicly in a zombie themed game would probably be considered relatively suicidal.

Well I thought more the rest of the claim. I think you do have a bite mark, but it's not really an alignment tell.

[yuma]

Well I think pretending to have a bite mark and declaring it publicly in a zombie themed game would probably be considered relatively suicidal.

Well I thought more the rest of the claim. I think you do have a bite mark, but it's not really an alignment tell.

Hmmm... well sure, but the bite mark caused the claim, not vice versa. And I do think the bite mark is an alignment tell.

I don't think it was a natural mechanic that caused the bite. Because the CtP was supposed to stop any zombies from wondering into camp and stopping bites and that I was told of it immediately after the Action Submission to me indicates that it was caused by another player, so unless you think a player I am aligned with bit me then it should indicate that I am less likely to be scum (not totally exempt because there is the possibility of multiple teams I guess)... or it would be a "crazy gambit" to use what appears to be a negative role on myself so you would agree with me...

[faust]

Okay, I guess I should have said "definite alignment tell".

I believe the power to give other people zombie bites makes the most sense in the hands of a Serial Killer. It just doesn't seem like a thing mafia would do. Also there is a possibility that scum can manipulate Check the Perimeter.

[A Drowned Kernel]

We are actually running low on time here. I would like to see some more votes from people.

[2.71828.....]

I don't know. I don't buy the scenarios where this is a fake claim by yuma. I guess possible, but this feels like town being surprised by being bitten and trying to figure out what to do.

Anti town thing would have been to ignore it and just become a zombie

[A Drowned Kernel]

I don't see scum letting themselves die and be a zombie either. Scum losing a player is worse for their team than town, and even if scum have some influence over zombies I doubt they have complete control.

[Roadrunner7671]

Why chairs?? 

[2.71828.....]

Why chairs?? 

We can switch to you if you would like

[A Drowned Kernel]

Why chairs?? 

We can switch to you if you would like

Who's "we"? You can't vote.

vote: e

[Roadrunner7671]

Why chairs?? 

We can switch to you if you would like

I meant why'd he have to post here.

[gkrieg13]

vote: e

Mainly for the timing of events

[A Drowned Kernel]

vote: e

Mainly for the timing of events

vote: gkrieg

[2.71828.....]

vote: e

Mainly for the timing of events

For the timing of events? Explain please

[EFHW]

Well I think pretending to have a bite mark and declaring it publicly in a zombie themed game would probably be considered relatively suicidal.

Well I thought more the rest of the claim. I think you do have a bite mark, but it's not really an alignment tell.

Hmmm... well sure, but the bite mark caused the claim, not vice versa. And I do think the bite mark is an alignment tell.

I don't think it was a natural mechanic that caused the bite. Because the CtP was supposed to stop any zombies from wondering into camp and stopping bites and that I was told of it immediately after the Action Submission to me indicates that it was caused by another player, so unless you think a player I am aligned with bit me then it should indicate that I am less likely to be scum (not totally exempt because there is the possibility of multiple teams I guess)... or it would be a "crazy gambit" to use what appears to be a negative role on myself so you would agree with me...

This means that the bite yuma order would have resolved before the ctp order. Do we have info on action resolution? I'll check.

[faust]

We are actually running low on time here. I would like to see some more votes from people.

  We have like 5 days left, and we don't even need a majority, and our patrol hasn't even returned... where is this coming from?

[EFHW]

No resolution info, but ctp only helps against random bites.

[faust]

Why chairs?? 

We can switch to you if you would like

Who's "we"? You can't vote.

vote: e

How is that even voteworthy?

[A Drowned Kernel]

We are actually running low on time here. I would like to see some more votes from people.

  We have like 5 days left, and we don't even need a majority, and our patrol hasn't even returned... where is this coming from?

5 days doesn't feel like a whole lot of time to me. We have a lot of people and there's a lot of lurking and a lot of setup talk and not a lot of scumhunting going on.

Why chairs?? 

We can switch to you if you would like

Who's "we"? You can't vote.

vote: e

How is that even voteworthy?

It seems fishy to me. e is threatening RR with votes when e doesn't have a vote. Could well be that he's thinking of "us" in terms of him and his partners.

[A Drowned Kernel]

No resolution info, but ctp only helps against random bites.

New rule: you can only talk about the setup if you're revealing new information. Time to actually scumhunt, people.

[EFHW]

vote:  e. He is the logical suspect for biting yuma since he temporarily can't vote. yuma is a common early kill target for scum.

[faust]

Vote: ADK

[EFHW]

No resolution info, but ctp only helps against random bites.

New rule: you can only talk about the setup if you're revealing new information. Time to actually scumhunt, people.

Given the complexity of the setup, I think it is valuable to underline certain details as they become relevant.

[EFHW]

vote: e

Mainly for the timing of events

vote: gkrieg

Why grkrieg now?

[2.71828.....]

It seems fishy to me. e is threatening RR with votes when e doesn't have a vote. Could well be that he's thinking of "us" in terms of him and his partners.

Ok, maybe I get carried away with this a bit, but have you seen me in a game where I never went for RR? Either seriously or jokingly? Granted, my "we can switch to you" was on the joking side of the spectrum in this case, but still

[A Drowned Kernel]

vote: e

Mainly for the timing of events

vote: gkrieg

Why grkrieg now?

For voting for e right after I did, with a very weak justification that doesn't reference e's actual play.

And really, Faust? I'm trying to kick-start this game. You think that I do that as scum, out that I just let it keep stagnating?

[2.71828.....]

@adk. Posting stuff risks being scummy. Which is why lurking is super easy for scum to do if town let's them. I have never known scum to be like "oh, this game is slow, wish people posted more"

Sure they might say something like that in thread, but that is just a ploy for town points

I don't find you (adk) incredibly scummy at the moment, I would probably prefer to go after lower activity right now.

[yuma]

Vote: ADK feigned indignation and concern for time constraints is a scum tell

[faust]

And really, Faust? I'm trying to kick-start this game. You think that I do that as scum, out that I just let it keep stagnating?

Yes, really. And yes, I think you do that as scum (obviously). I mean. It just feels fake. Building up pressure when there's still lots of time? Complaining about low activity when one third of the town isn't allowed to post? Actually discouraging posting about certain topics? Jumping popular wagons with weak reasoning? That's not gonna earn you any town points in my book.

[yuma]

Why chairs?? 

We can switch to you if you would like

Who's "we"? You can't vote.

vote: e

And this and his fake rule

[Haddock]

Right so I'm finally back in the country and able to look more solidly at this.

Gonna do a whole reread and put things down as I see them. 

Again sorry for my crapness so far.

[2.71828.....]

Wait

The Day Action Submission Window has closed. 

silverspawn, chairs, ampharos, and SirMartin have left on patrol to check the perimeter.  They will be unavailable to post for the next 48 hours or vote the rest of the day.

It's been 48 hours, why aren't they back?

[2.71828.....]

Did the get lost somehow? Did they take scum with them or someone else that delays the patrol?

[Haddock]

Silverspawn's very early post has some day actions in bold.  I wonder whether he was trying to put down a vote for them without people realising?  Bit of a stretch.

RR makes a post indicating some extra knowledge of how Split Up works fairly early on.  I don't like it.

Faust's vote thing is weird.  But I believe him.  There's no real scum motivation for it.

I agree with SS that chairs's thing saying we want to get it to an odd number of players is a bit dodgy.

WW and RR both rolefishing, me no likey.

SS does a random unexplained WW vote and then revotes me in the same post!  Sup with that?



I don't like ADK advocating that we split up.  I screwed this one up I think, not thinking it through properly.  But I don't see ADK making that mistake.
(He votes me not long after - love that my record of being found scummy D1 in every mafia game ever is still ongoing.)

I like yuma's comments throughout.  Towny.
SS suspecting yuma looks bad.  I actually have a few posts of SS's that I don't like.  Eg:

So was I the only player who mistakenly thought he had received a scum role because of the explanatory red text in the second QT post only to notice the green town role after the first post...

Do you guys buy this? I don't know about you, but I find the green very visible among the maroon - not red - that made up the first two posts of my QT. Even if I had not seen the green, I think I'd have been more busy being surprised that you can use colors in QT's - I think ash has a premium account - to think that I got scum.

That one's weak on its own.  But there's a few weird/scummy posts.

RR has some weirdness claiming there's no scum faction and is STILL rolefishing.  Oh and then he votes yuma for no good reason.

e makes a towny post about setup not long after.  I don't like finding e towny, that's quite rare for me. 

I do not like WW's vote on chairs.  chairs makes a perfectly legitimate comment about RR's push for us to split up - and WW baldy votes him. 
Wait, then SS and ADK do the same thing!  Huh, ok.  This is good.  I am not liking SS or RR here.  And ADK slightly iffy too.

SirMartin's post "You can call me scummy, etc.."  looks towny to me.
And then SS calls him scummy for it.  OK.

In this rather biased light (of finding RR and SS scummy), RR's fight with SS about whether or not to split up starts looking a bit forced.  (ie this:

DO NOT SPLIT UP

It has very likely zero benefit according to the description, since we are already checking the peremiter. I am pretty sure we should do one of the two, not both. We don't know what disadvantages it can have. Don't cast any more votes on it.

)


Huh, faust's case on chairs is actually not bad.  But it goes against all the stuff that I'd thought.  That makes things hard.
I think I come down on the side of backing myself.  If it's SS+RR vs chairs I prefer to find SS and RR scummy.

I think the case on e is weak.  There are many things he could have done that caused his votelessness.  There's not necessarily any reason to connect it to yuma.

I DO NOT LIKE RR's talk about "putting down" yuma and then artificially "trying to find a solution".

ADK accusing EFHW of lurking - not sure that's legit - there must be other lurkier people.


yuma's claim is very convincing.

ADK's timing thing is a bit scummy.  And then he votes gkrieg for following him onto e?  Weird.

That's my stream of consciousness reread.  It comes to a

vote: silverspawn

Would happily do ADK or RR instead.

PPE 2.

[A Drowned Kernel]

Vote: ADK feigned indignation and concern for time constraints is a scum tell

How do you feel about real indignation?

[gkrieg13]

I'm definitely warming up to an ADK vote.  He seems very suddenly defensive

[yuma]

Vote: ADK feigned indignation and concern for time constraints is a scum tell

How do you feel about real indignation?

when there is something real to be indignant about i am totally fine with it.

[ashersky]

Those on patrol may now post, in case they were waiting for a sign.

[faust]

So guys? How did it go? I hope you were following the game and taking notes. Did anything happen to you?

[SirMartin]

Yeah, something happened! Silverspawn is dead!

[silverspawn]

I don't think I'm dead. I think I would have noticed that.

[faust]

What?

[SirMartin]

(Badly) Pranked 

[Roadrunner7671]

(Badly) Pranked 

Ha ha, I like this guy.

[faust]

(Badly) Pranked 

Okay. Now how about some serious contributions?

[silverspawn]

We were put in a separate QT. Nothing else happened for the duration. Now the QT is closed permanently.

[SirMartin]

(Badly) Pranked 

Okay. Now how about some serious contributions?

We can try that. There was no mod talk during our patrol check, but we could communicate in a QT.

Yuma getting bit is bad, but I think voting for 2.7 is lame. Would he have claimed something suspicious then bitten Yuma? I think not.
Ppe

[silverspawn]

I commented that I like the case on chairs and that I would advocate lynching yuma

Here is why I would support lynching yuma

Basically, if he is town, the lynch is much less bad then another town lynch
And he could still be scum, in which case the lynch is great.

I think most people immediately look at it from an angle of town!yuma lynch vs random!lynch, but it's really random!yuma lynch vs random!lynch. If you look at it like that, suddenly it seems better.

[EFHW]

(Badly) Pranked 

Okay. Now how about some serious contributions?

We can try that. There was no mod talk during our patrol check, but we could communicate in a QT.

Yuma getting bit is bad, but I think voting for 2.7 is lame. Would he have claimed something suspicious then bitten Yuma? I think not.
Ppe

It's interesting that he didn't respond to my vote on him.

[faust]

I commented that I like the case on chairs and that I would advocate lynching yuma

Here is why I would support lynching yuma

Basically, if he is town, the lynch is much less bad then another town lynch
And he could still be scum, in which case the lynch is great.

I think most people immediately look at it from an angle of town!yuma lynch vs random!lynch, but it's really random!yuma lynch vs random!lynch. If you look at it like that, suddenly it seems better.

Okay... what is the scum narrative for yuma then? Because his actions ead very much like town to me. Also, what's with all the hedgy "woulds"? If you want to lynch yuma, vote.

[EFHW]

I commented that I like the case on chairs and that I would advocate lynching yuma

Here is why I would support lynching yuma

Basically, if he is town, the lynch is much less bad then another town lynch
And he could still be scum, in which case the lynch is great.

I think most people immediately look at it from an angle of town!yuma lynch vs random!lynch, but it's really random!yuma lynch vs random!lynch. If you look at it like that, suddenly it seems better.

If we lynch yuma he becomes a zombie.

[faust]

I commented that I like the case on chairs and that I would advocate lynching yuma

Here is why I would support lynching yuma

Basically, if he is town, the lynch is much less bad then another town lynch
And he could still be scum, in which case the lynch is great.

I think most people immediately look at it from an angle of town!yuma lynch vs random!lynch, but it's really random!yuma lynch vs random!lynch. If you look at it like that, suddenly it seems better.

If we lynch yuma he becomes a zombie.

...why?

[yuma]

yeah... that is a jump that I haven't heard off...

[EFHW]

I commented that I like the case on chairs and that I would advocate lynching yuma

Here is why I would support lynching yuma

Basically, if he is town, the lynch is much less bad then another town lynch
And he could still be scum, in which case the lynch is great.

I think most people immediately look at it from an angle of town!yuma lynch vs random!lynch, but it's really random!yuma lynch vs random!lynch. If you look at it like that, suddenly it seems better.

If we lynch yuma he becomes a zombie.

...why?

Assuming he was bitten, lynching keeps his brain intact so he will become a zombie.

[silverspawn]

Okay... what is the scum narrative for yuma then?

Well almost everyone treats him as confirmed town. That's a pretty good thing for anyone, including scum.

Also, what's with all the hedgy "woulds"? If you want to lynch yuma, vote.

Hmm I guess we can vote. I was kinda reiterating what I said in the QT and that didn't have a vote. vote: yuma

[yuma]

but i won't be Lori anymore... I will be the child.

[silverspawn]

Assuming he was bitten, lynching keeps his brain intact so he will become a zombie.

Isn't it more likely that he is dead for real if we lynch him - we know about zombies after all, so we could dispose of his body - and then comes back?

[gkrieg13]

Just saw that e hasn't been counted as alive since the beginning of the day, not just since the day action submission window. 

So I guess I vote: ADK

[EFHW]

but i won't be Lori anymore... I will be the child.

Is it that your character is "reincarnated", or that you the player get another role? Is there a precedent in the show/comic for coming back to life as someone else?

[EFHW]

Just saw that e hasn't been counted as alive since the beginning of the day, not just since the day action submission window. 

So I guess I vote: ADK

He could have taken an action during Dawn 1.

[silverspawn]

@Haddock let me see if I can respond something productive

silverspawn's very early post has some day actions in bold.  I wonder whether he was trying to put down a vote for them without people realising?  Bit of a stretch.

I didn't know just posting them in bold is voting for them.

ss does a random unexplained WW vote and then revotes me in the same post!  Sup with that?

Just a way of stating that I find you both scummy

86]

So was I the only player who mistakenly thought he had received a scum role because of the explanatory red text in the second QT post only to notice the green town role after the first post...

Do you guys buy this? I don't know about you, but I find the green very visible among the maroon - not red - that made up the first two posts of my QT. Even if I had not seen the green, I think I'd have been more busy being surprised that you can use colors in QT's - I think ash has a premium account - to think that I got scum.

That one's weak on its own.[/quote]
It's an odd way of attacking someone by saying an early day 1 case looks weak, because of course he does. I think it's non-irrelevant, which is why I brought it up. That's really the only example you bring.

86]SirMartin's post "You can call me scummy, etc.."  looks towny to me.
And then SS calls him scummy for it.  OK.

This post?

And you can call me scummy, but all this talk about our group actions is really scummy. They probably have a marginal impact on the game, this isn't what mafia is about. We need to ignore all the shiny distractions and lynch the scums.

This post is scummy no doubt. It's a way of appearing as though you really want the game to move forward by using an argument that doesn't make sense, because it's RMM of course we should discuss the setup. Why do you think that post is towny?

[EFHW]

Assuming he was bitten, lynching keeps his brain intact so he will become a zombie.

Isn't it more likely that he is dead for real if we lynch him - we know about zombies after all, so we could dispose of his body - and then comes back?

We could possibly shoot him with the gun if he is a zombie. This is a weird interaction of game mechanics. It's hard to understand.

[faust]

Assuming he was bitten, lynching keeps his brain intact so he will become a zombie.

Everyone who dies turns into a zombie, so by your logic, everyone we lynch will come back zombified.

[silverspawn]

I meant more generally that people we lynch probably don't come back. Because, in the flavor, if we decide to publicly execute someone, we would do it in a way that he does not come back as a zombie.

[faust]

but i won't be Lori anymore... I will be the child.

Is it that your character is "reincarnated", or that you the player get another role? Is there a precedent in the show/comic for coming back to life as someone else?

No; Judith is Lori's child. There isn't anything supernatural on the show aside from zombies.

[yuma]

but i won't be Lori anymore... I will be the child.

Is it that your character is "reincarnated", or that you the player get another role? Is there a precedent in the show/comic for coming back to life as someone else?

I interpreted it that is is my role, or at least part of it. I imagine I will lose some attributes but gain others. It also says I will come back in whatever alignment I am when I die (which does imply there is some possibility of alignment switching but I have not been notified that my alignment has switched... Although I wouldn't tell you if it had)

[faust]

I meant more generally that people we lynch probably don't come back. Because, in the flavor, if we decide to publicly execute someone, we would do it in a way that he does not come back as a zombie.

Agreed. (I fact, I think I said the very same thing earlier.)

Who here does actually know the flavor?

[Roadrunner7671]

but i won't be Lori anymore... I will be the child.

Is it that your character is "reincarnated", or that you the player get another role? Is there a precedent in the show/comic for coming back to life as someone else?

No; Judith is Lori's child. There isn't anything supernatural on the show aside from zombies.

And Rick's invincibility.

[Roadrunner7671]

I meant more generally that people we lynch probably don't come back. Because, in the flavor, if we decide to publicly execute someone, we would do it in a way that he does not come back as a zombie.

Agreed. (I fact, I think I said the very same thing earlier.)

Who here does actually know the flavor?

I'd like to think I do.

[EFHW]

Assuming he was bitten, lynching keeps his brain intact so he will become a zombie.

Everyone who dies turns into a zombie, so by your logic, everyone we lynch will come back zombified.

I thought you had to be infected. But, ok, I remember that now. We'll know after today how lynches are done. We could also try asking.

How is Rick invincible?

[silverspawn]

I meant more generally that people we lynch probably don't come back. Because, in the flavor, if we decide to publicly execute someone, we would do it in a way that he does not come back as a zombie.

Agreed. (I fact, I think I said the very same thing earlier.)

Who here does actually know the flavor?

I've watched season one and most of season two and then I dropped it. Unfortunately, the first thing I forget about everything are always the names

[faust]

And Rick's invincibility.

/Sidetrack

I don't get how people critize this. Rick is the main character of the show; in a sense, the show is about Rick. Of course he cannot die before the show ends, because well the show as it is would end at that very point. It makes no sense to expect Rick to die the same way it makes no sense to have Bilbo die in the Hobbit, or to have Buffy die (...well, without coming back) in "Buffy the Vampire Slayer".

[faust]

How is Rick invincible?

It's a snarky comment about Rick surviving numerous threats against all odds.

[silverspawn]

The invulnerability of the main character is exactly the thing that will not transfer into mafia games, though, since it has no reason within the universe.

[faust]

The invulnerability of the main character is exactly the thing that will not transfer into mafia games, though, since it has no reason within the universe.

Agreed.

[gkrieg13]

I meant more generally that people we lynch probably don't come back. Because, in the flavor, if we decide to publicly execute someone, we would do it in a way that he does not come back as a zombie.

Agreed. (I fact, I think I said the very same thing earlier.)

Who here does actually know the flavor?

I do not know the flavor

[A Drowned Kernel]

I'm definitely warming up to an ADK vote.  He seems very suddenly defensive

I'm defensive because people are voting for me.

[2.71828.....]

Got super townie vibes from haddock's post. Hasn't mentioned that before. But yeah. Throwing that out there

[Hydrad]

welcome back everyone! you did a horrible job at your jobs since yuma got bit though.

[ashersky]

Due to inactivity, witherweaver has lost his vote for today.

He is also Hated for today.  This would stack with any other Hated modifiers, if they exist.

[chairs]

Blergh.

I want to focus on this game but all I can think about right now is the wreck I just got in.

[gkrieg13]

Blergh.

I want to focus on this game but all I can think about right now is the wreck I just got in.

I hope no one was hurt!

[Ampharos]

Back from patrol, woot! 

At a conference for 4 days, so low on activity right now, sorry! 

I'll admit to being completely distracted by setup at this point.  I have little to no actual reads on anyone, but the fact that e is not alive is... ??

Unless that was already covered and I somehow missed it (which has happened before).

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Sorry about the wreck, chairs

[Witherweaver]

One thing though, this totally makes yuma IC for the day. I mean, killing him as soon as he turns is also a thing, but while he is around today pretty confident he is town

I mean, it's a really cool thing to make up if it's made up. From experience though I'm not sure yuma is one to go for the really crazy fakeclaims.

Historically, crazy claim Yuma has been scum Yuma. 

[Witherweaver]

Well I think pretending to have a bite mark and declaring it publicly in a zombie themed game would probably be considered relatively suicidal.

Well I thought more the rest of the claim. I think you do have a bite mark, but it's not really an alignment tell.

Hmmm... well sure, but the bite mark caused the claim, not vice versa. And I do think the bite mark is an alignment tell.

I don't think it was a natural mechanic that caused the bite. Because the CtP was supposed to stop any zombies from wondering into camp and stopping bites and that I was told of it immediately after the Action Submission to me indicates that it was caused by another player, so unless you think a player I am aligned with bit me then it should indicate that I am less likely to be scum (not totally exempt because there is the possibility of multiple teams I guess)... or it would be a "crazy gambit" to use what appears to be a negative role on myself so you would agree with me...

Someone could have, essentially, attacked you with a walker to cause the bite.  It makes flavor sense, and it follows this coming after the action window.

[Witherweaver]

Vote: ADK feigned indignation and concern for time constraints is a scum tell

I like it.

[Witherweaver]

I do not like WW's vote on chairs.  chairs makes a perfectly legitimate comment about RR's push for us to split up - and WW baldy votes him. 
Wait, then SS and ADK do the same thing!  Huh, ok.  This is good.  I am not liking SS or RR here.  And ADK slightly iffy too.

I'm pretty sure I had a great reason for voting Chairs.  I have no idea what it was.

[silverspawn]

so... stuff? yumalynch?

[A Drowned Kernel]

I need to give this game a reread. That may or may not happen tonight.

[Hydrad]

WW your not dead! hurrah!

anyways. Now I guess we actually try to scumhunt instead of setup talk for a bit? this is one of the most setup talking games i've ever been in. Which isn't really bad. I actually really like setup talk.

but now its time to find scum!

uhhhhh. someone tell me whos scum.

[faust]

Okay... what is the scum narrative for yuma then?

Well almost everyone treats him as confirmed town. That's a pretty good thing for anyone, including scum.

Except we're going to make sure that he dies before D3. That does not seem optimal for scum.

[faust]

uhhhhh. someone tell me whos scum.

chairs and ADK.

[Hydrad]

Okay... what is the scum narrative for yuma then?

Well almost everyone treats him as confirmed town. That's a pretty good thing for anyone, including scum.

Except we're going to make sure that he dies before D3. That does not seem optimal for scum.

well... isn't that kinda ok still for scum? like we basically lose a lynch?

[faust]

Okay... what is the scum narrative for yuma then?

Well almost everyone treats him as confirmed town. That's a pretty good thing for anyone, including scum.

Except we're going to make sure that he dies before D3. That does not seem optimal for scum.

well... isn't that kinda ok still for scum? like we basically lose a lynch?

I don't follow.

[Hydrad]

Okay... what is the scum narrative for yuma then?

Well almost everyone treats him as confirmed town. That's a pretty good thing for anyone, including scum.

Except we're going to make sure that he dies before D3. That does not seem optimal for scum.

well... isn't that kinda ok still for scum? like we basically lose a lynch?

I don't follow.

oh nevermind. your saying its not optimal if he fake claimed this as scum.

[A Drowned Kernel]

uhhhhh. someone tell me whos scum.

chairs and ADK.

chairs yes, ADK no.

[yuma]

posty posty

[yuma]

Got super townie vibes from haddock's post. Hasn't mentioned that before. But yeah. Throwing that out there

ah, here is something to actually comment on. I agree! those stream of conscious posts are relatively hard to fake.

[yuma]

Okay... what is the scum narrative for yuma then?

Well almost everyone treats him as confirmed town. That's a pretty good thing for anyone, including scum.

Except we're going to make sure that he dies before D3. That does not seem optimal for scum.

I don't think there is a scum narrative for me doing this. But that said, I don't necessarily think that lynching me is a bad thing. I do worry about the potential for my infection to spread to my new role before I am able to switch to it... I would like to stay town and stay alive (as in continue to be able to vote/post/use roles) in this game, truth be told... And frankly dying in this case ironically helps me do that.

[2.71828.....]

So, I am pretty sure I get your role, but to put it in mafia terms you are 1-shot death proof. Because that what it sounds like to me.

[chairs]

uhhhhh. someone tell me whos scum.

chairs and ADK.

chairs yes, ADK no.

chairs no, kthxbai.

[SirMartin]

So I don't have long, but I'll point out that chsirs didn't talk very much when we were on patrol.

[2.71828.....]

So a lynch+bite would be two "deaths"

Just bite is one death.

Except this isn't normal mafia. I don't know, I think keeping yuma around to see if he will be able to come back healthy child seems like a good idea. Whereas lynching might trigger a "second death"

Although action resolution seems tricky here

[2.71828.....]

So I don't have long, but I'll point out that chsirs didn't talk very much when we were on patrol.

It was in a qt. Plus it is chairs. Not a scum tell

[chairs]

I didn't feel like anybody talked much in the patrol QT, honestly.

[yuma]

So, I am pretty sure I get your role, but to put it in mafia terms you are 1-shot death proof. Because that what it sounds like to me.

Except I get a new role/flavor/etc after using up the deathproof.

[Roadrunner7671]

Duane broke a rule and it cost him.  I tried to stop it.  I tried to help him.  It's...it's my fault.  It was my job to keep him safe.

I thought this was a little strange in the flavor. Duane's death wasn't his own fault, as Faust explained, Duane got killed by his zombiefied mom cause Mirgan couldn't pop her.

Morgan's weakness lead to Duane's death, but he's not taking responsibility. Well, he is, he thinks it's his fault. But he also thinks Duane broke a rule, which really isn't true. We know Ashersky thinks about the flavor for a while, so this could be something intentional. I do think we should analye the flavor though.

[faust]

Duane broke a rule and it cost him.  I tried to stop it.  I tried to help him.  It's...it's my fault.  It was my job to keep him safe.

I thought this was a little strange in the flavor. Duane's death wasn't his own fault, as Faust explained, Duane got killed by his zombiefied mom cause Mirgan couldn't pop her.

Morgan's weakness lead to Duane's death, but he's not taking responsibility. Well, he is, he thinks it's his fault. But he also thinks Duane broke a rule, which really isn't true. We know Ashersky thinks about the flavor for a while, so this could be something intentional. I do think we should analye the flavor though.

This is a good observation. I can't really tell what this means with respect to the game, but these are definitely the things we should look out for going forward.

[yuma]

Duane broke a rule and it cost him.  I tried to stop it.  I tried to help him.  It's...it's my fault.  It was my job to keep him safe.

I thought this was a little strange in the flavor. Duane's death wasn't his own fault, as Faust explained, Duane got killed by his zombiefied mom cause Mirgan couldn't pop her.

Morgan's weakness lead to Duane's death, but he's not taking responsibility. Well, he is, he thinks it's his fault. But he also thinks Duane broke a rule, which really isn't true. We know Ashersky thinks about the flavor for a while, so this could be something intentional. I do think we should analye the flavor though.

I don't know anything about the show, but since this was written at the time of ash putting the rules in place I interpreted as him saying that if you break rules you will pay a price. And we have already seen that happen twice in this game with hated modifiers being applied...

[Ampharos]

I didn't feel like anybody talked much in the patrol QT, honestly.

Pretty much.  It was bones quiet.

[EFHW]

I didn't feel like anybody talked much in the patrol QT, honestly.

Pretty much.  It was bones quiet.

So why is sir Martin singling out chairs?

[Haddock]

If it's true that not much was going on in the qt, it does feel like a pretty transparent attempt by SirMartin to paint chairs as scummy.
But surely that's too obvious a move for a scum play.

[2.71828.....]

I didn't feel like anybody talked much in the patrol QT, honestly.

Pretty much.  It was bones quiet.

So why is sir Martin singling out chairs?

Yeah. At first I thought it was just normal low activity (I can't say that I would be especially active and talkative in a patrol qt either), but this is singling out chairs.

Scum trying to push a chairs case over the brink to a lynch?

[2.71828.....]

If it's true that not much was going on in the qt, it does feel like a pretty transparent attempt by SirMartin to paint chairs as scummy.
But surely that's too obvious a move for a scum play.

Ah, the classic "too scummy to be scum" case. How I love you

[2.71828.....]

I do appreciate the "bones quiet" from ampharos

[Haddock]

If it's true that not much was going on in the qt, it does feel like a pretty transparent attempt by SirMartin to paint chairs as scummy.
But surely that's too obvious a move for a scum play.

Ah, the classic "too scummy to be scum" case. How I love you

I wasn't really making a case either way.

Given that it's the only thing I can remember SirMartin doing this game (and yes I'm aware that's quite unfair,  he's been on patrol), I could easily see it as either alignment, a player becoming aware that they need to contribute a case or a read.
That's something people do as either alignment. But I'd say SirMartin is a somewhat lurky player anyway, so perhaps this move indicates some scummy self-awareness?
I'm reaching a bit here.

[faust]

Well, we need to go somewhere. How about some good old PoE?

Witherweaver - he's been gone for a while, but I like what he posted since.
yuma - probably town, plus it will be helpful to know how infections work.
2.7 - what has e done this game? I have no idea. That's not a good sign.
gkrieg13 - not very present, but I get a generally genuine vibe.
faust - no way.
EFHW - she's been talking a lot about the setup and very little about reads. Suspicious.
Roadrunner7671 - he reads very townie to me in this game.
A Drowned Kernel - well he's scummy, as already pointed out.
Haddock - I'm willing to sheep yuma and whoever else that was on this one.
silverspawn - anyone else think his stance on yuma is weird? I don't like how he uses it as an excuse to not scumhunt.
Hydrad, Limetime, Ampharos - all the same lurkish category.
chairs - also lurky, but additionally was scummy early on.
SirMartin - there was some post at game start that made me think he's town. Something about knowing another townie?

[gkrieg13]

I feel like of the people on your PoE list, EFHW and ADK stand out the most to me.

EFHW is normally way more present at the beginning of a game, and when she has been present, she hasn't really added much to the conversation.

[EFHW]

I feel like of the people on your PoE list, EFHW and ADK stand out the most to me.

EFHW is normally way more present at the beginning of a game, and when she has been present, she hasn't really added much to the conversation.

Did you reread first?  If not, can you reread and then decide?

[gkrieg13]

I feel like of the people on your PoE list, EFHW and ADK stand out the most to me.

EFHW is normally way more present at the beginning of a game, and when she has been present, she hasn't really added much to the conversation.

Did you reread first?  If not, can you reread and then decide?

I can but this response reminds me of mistborn mafia

[EFHW]

I feel like of the people on your PoE list, EFHW and ADK stand out the most to me.

EFHW is normally way more present at the beginning of a game, and when she has been present, she hasn't really added much to the conversation.

Did you reread first?  If not, can you reread and then decide?

I can but this response reminds me of mistborn mafia

was I scum? I was sick for a couple days at the beginning, and since you didn't seem to know that, your scumread didn't seem very well informed.

[gkrieg13]

I feel like of the people on your PoE list, EFHW and ADK stand out the most to me.

EFHW is normally way more present at the beginning of a game, and when she has been present, she hasn't really added much to the conversation.

Did you reread first?  If not, can you reread and then decide?

I can but this response reminds me of mistborn mafia

was I scum? I was sick for a couple days at the beginning, and since you didn't seem to know that, your scumread didn't seem very well informed.

uh you were scum.  I had a strong read on you that game, which no one else seemed to have, which is why I vigged you.

[yuma]

yuma - probably town, plus it will be helpful to know how infections work.

'

I don't think this is a good reason to keep me alive. We are going to find out regardless how they work. But in my case there is a chance that my infection will inhibit my role of regeneration... then again... maybe it already has...

[faust]

yuma - probably town, plus it will be helpful to know how infections work.

'

I don't think this is a good reason to keep me alive. We are going to find out regardless how they work. But in my case there is a chance that my infection will inhibit my role of regeneration... then again... maybe it already has...

Well it's still possible that someone can cure you (read: cut your leg off), and I certainly don't want to pass that opportunity. There are 3 possibilities of what could happen if we lynch you today (assuming you're town):

1. you die and come back an IC. That is relatively good, but still worse than lynching scum.
2. you die and come back a treestump (or equivalent). That is only marginally better than lynching town, even worse since you would have died anyway and that would have given us another town-controlled kill.
3. you die, period, because your child has been infected too. That's bad.

So none of those scenarios is particularly great, and personally I don't believe in 1, so I don't really see why you would want us to lynch you other than out of self-preservation.

[silverspawn]

4. He's scum and dies and we lynched scum

[yuma]

4. He's scum and dies and we lynched scum

Isn't a possibility (from my perspective and again, why would scum be advocating for his own lynch here? I mean I guess you could say I am bluffing, but this would be a pretty ridiculous buff)

[silverspawn]

4. He's scum and dies and we lynched scum

Isn't a possibility (from my perspective and again, why would scum be advocating for his own lynch here? I mean I guess you could say I am bluffing, but this would be a pretty ridiculous buff)

It's not that ridiculous. If we decide not to lynch you, you basically have IC status. Then all you have to do is to claim that you got healed somehow and tada scum!IC

[yuma]

Well it's still possible that someone can cure you (read: cut your leg off), and I certainly don't want to pass that opportunity. There are 3 possibilities of what could happen if we lynch you today (assuming you're town):

1. you die and come back an IC. That is relatively good, but still worse than lynching scum.
2. you die and come back a treestump (or equivalent). That is only marginally better than lynching town, even worse since you would have died anyway and that would have given us another town-controlled kill.
3. you die, period, because your child has been infected too. That's bad.

So none of those scenarios is particularly great, and personally I don't believe in 1, so I don't really see why you would want us to lynch you other than out of self-preservation.

If someone can cure me they should have spoken up by now.

I don't know why you think 1 isn't a possibility. I think it is decent. And there is room between 1 and 2 where I come back with just another non-IC, non-treestump role.

But I also don't think you are looking at this from a "what if we don't lynch yuma" point of view. I don't know what this bite means in terms of potentially infecting other people. I just don't know and neither do you, there is a possibility of there being a mechanic that the infection doesn't "kill" me but changes me to be a liability to the town.

And look... if that happens then I have screwed myself over. Because that means my win condition will have then changed AND everyone will have basically known it... or at least known that it is a possibility. So to be clear... I don't want to get turned into whatever I might get turned into. Because if I do I am going to lose because I was forthcoming as town. But if that does happen I will start playing to that new win con and bite the hell out of everyone I can, if I can.

So yeah... I want self preservation because right now that is the only way I can see myself winning in my current alignment if this bite does in some way change my alignment (which I think is likely given the wording of my PM).

In addition lynching another player has a decent chance of lynching a stronger PR than me. That is always a risk, but in RMM I think it can be best to not lynch and let people use actions that can be confirmed or assessed first. Not always... but often. And this is a good opportunity to not lynch a strong PR and eliminate a possible threat in myself and still preserve myself as a town player going forward.

I think I just convinced myself. Everyone prepare yourself for my first self vote in a long, long time... vote: yuma

[yuma]

4. He's scum and dies and we lynched scum

Isn't a possibility (from my perspective and again, why would scum be advocating for his own lynch here? I mean I guess you could say I am bluffing, but this would be a pretty ridiculous buff)

It's not that ridiculous. If we decide not to lynch you, you basically have IC status. Then all you have to do is to claim that you got healed somehow and tada scum!IC

But to continue to push toward my lynch? I mean... no. That is an unacceptable lynch for scum to take because it relies on others making that decision for you. This is in my risk matrix that I keep bringing up in like every game and I feel like I am consistently right about it. But you know what... you and I are arguing for the same thing... my lynch, so let's be friends.

[Hydrad]

Post incase I'll be a few minutes past the 24 hour mark

[faust]

I don't see how your bite would cause you to change your alignment... that makes no sense within the flavor. The only thing your bite will cause is your death.

[gkrieg13]

vote: EFHW

[faust]

I don't know why you think 1 isn't a possibility.

Because I don't think a baby could conceivably be a full member of the town.

[yuma]

I don't see how your bite would cause you to change your alignment... that makes no sense within the flavor. The only thing your bite will cause is your death.

How do you know that?

I mean... The whole premise of zombies is that they bite and then those who get bit come back as zombies.

I want to come back as Judith. Not as zombie!Lori.

And like I said there is wording in my PM, basically that I will, if activating my role to become Judith, retain whatever alignment I had at the time of my death. This implies that alignments can be changed in this game, otherwise why state it? And this mechanic of getting bit seems like a perfect way to introduce alignment change.

Like... mafia has an ability to choose a player early day1 a player to target to possibly switch their alignment to yours but only if they aren't lynched or something... I don't know maybe not that specifically but something like that.

[yuma]

Alright. Then let me put it this way... Unless I see a compelling reason to lynch some one I think I should be the default lynch.

[faust]

I mean... The whole premise of zombies is that they bite and then those who get bit come back as zombies.

That is not the premise of The Walking Dead.

The premise of TWD is that everyone who dies comes back as zombie. It doesn't matter whether you die from a zombie bite or something else.

[Haddock]

I don't like SS's continued tunnelling of yuma.  But then when I think about it he likes to find someone to tunnel D1, this isn't necessarily scummy from SS.  I've had that problem before.

So unvote I guess.

I do agree with SS also that scum!yuma does stuff like this occasionally.  See for instance his SK claim as scum in Switch Mafia.

That said, I'm townreading yuma in general this game and he was under no pressure prior to his claim nonsense.  So I'm not seeing this as scummy at all.  Not thinking I want to lynch him though, even if he does.  Hmm.

Can we get a vote count please?

I'll probably move to ADK.

[yuma]

I mean... The whole premise of zombies is that they bite and then those who get bit come back as zombies.

That is not the premise of The Walking Dead.

The premise of TWD is that everyone who dies comes back as zombie. It doesn't matter whether you die from a zombie bite or something else.

then what the Hell am I doing with a bite mark on me? There has to be a better way for zombies to make more zombies than via biting on the leg.

[faust]

I mean... The whole premise of zombies is that they bite and then those who get bit come back as zombies.

That is not the premise of The Walking Dead.

The premise of TWD is that everyone who dies comes back as zombie. It doesn't matter whether you die from a zombie bite or something else.

then what the Hell am I doing with a bite mark on me? There has to be a better way for zombies to make more zombies than via biting on the leg.

What? I am not sure what you mean here. Why does there "have to be" a better way? And biting even is a way to turn people into zombies, because bitten people die, and dead people become zombies.

[yuma]

I guess what I am saying is this:

This is a game of mafia. In which people die. According to you when someone in this universe dies they become a zombie. If this is true and if we are working against the zombies as a town then we shouldn't ever lynch ever. But that would mean this isn't a game of mafia, it would be a different game completely, so that can't hold true. So town controlled deaths must indicate that those players don't turn into zombies. Otherwise the game is broken.

So if I assume that, (which I guess maybe I shouldn't but I don't see anyway that this could continue to be a mafia game if lynches are a completely negative utility for town. Like that would make this a bastard game...) I am currently faced with 2 types of deaths.

1. a death via the bite that will result in me turning into a zombie (either forfeiting the chance to become Judith or come back as a Judith!zombie)

2. a death controlled by town that will not turn me into a zombie and instead I will come back as Judith.

I guess there is a 3rd that the bite mark will kill me just make me die normally and I won't turn into a zombie, but then why have the bite mark at all if it doesn't turn me into a zombie... Why not just make it be a day vig?

[faust]

I guess what I am saying is this:

This is a game of mafia. In which people die. According to you when someone in this universe dies they become a zombie. If this is true and if we are working against the zombies as a town then we shouldn't ever lynch ever. But that would mean this isn't a game of mafia, it would be a different game completely, so that can't hold true. So town controlled deaths must indicate that those players don't turn into zombies. Otherwise the game is broken.

So if I assume that, (which I guess maybe I shouldn't but I don't see anyway that this could continue to be a mafia game if lynches are a completely negative utility for town. Like that would make this a bastard game...) I am currently faced with 2 types of deaths.

1. a death via the bite that will result in me turning into a zombie (either forfeiting the chance to become Judith or come back as a Judith!zombie)

2. a death controlled by town that will not turn me into a zombie and instead I will come back as Judith.

I guess there is a 3rd that the bite mark will kill me just make me die normally and I won't turn into a zombie, but then why have the bite mark at all if it doesn't turn me into a zombie... Why not just make it be a day vig?

Well I think you are fundamentally mistaken about how the game is structured, but I don't have compelling evidence for that other than what I feel makes sense within the flavor.

You seem to assume that the mafia are zombies here (at least that's what I take from what you write). I simply cannot imagine that being the case. First, zombies are mindless animals (arguably even less than that) and they don't make sense as "informed minority" because they cannot be informed and they are the vast majority in the world. Second, the whole point of the show is that "people are more dangerous than zombies", so having a mafia that consists of actual living people seems to make way more sense.

I hold the strong belief that no player will ever play as a zombie in this game. I don't think you can be "turned" into a zombie and still continue to play. I do think that players can die, leave the game, and then their corpse can in some way cause trouble to us. Basically, due to this belief I have to reject your whole argument because you base it on a fear of being "zombified". And that just won't happen.

As to why have a bite mark and not a dayvig? Well it could just be a delayed dayvig. It could be for flavor. It could be to make it ambiguous whether the mafia caused it or it was just a random event. Like this is RMM and there are lots of possible explanations for this. I don't understand why you are dead-set on your theory even though people who know the flavor tell you that that's not how it works.

[Roadrunner7671]

Lynched people are not coming back. I have outside information. I don't mind sharing this as we should try to find scum now instead of this pointless debate, yeah?

[silverspawn]

I agree about mafia not being zombies but I still wanna lynch yuma

[2.71828.....]

Lynched people are not coming back. I have outside information. I don't mind sharing this as we should try to find scum now instead of this pointless debate, yeah?

So are you directly contradicting yuma's claim?  (Not the bite thing, the coming back thing)

[2.71828.....]

I mean, it's there a difference in "lynch" and "kill" for yuma's role?

[yuma]

Whatever I know nothing except what I have been told. Just should have kept my mouth shut. I'll do better. Promise

[gkrieg13]

Can we lynch ADK or EFHW yet?

[Roadrunner7671]

Lynched people are not coming back. I have outside information. I don't mind sharing this as we should try to find scum now instead of this pointless debate, yeah?

So are you directly contradicting yuma's claim?  (Not the bite thing, the coming back thing)

No, I'm saying that a lynched/vengekilled/vigged person won't come back as a zombie.

Yuma can still come back as Judith.

[yuma]

And now some friendly advice: Don't get hung up on your assumptions.  Every one one of us makes them, and sure, sometimes we're right.  But it's important to remember that in a game of creativity, deception, and imagination, there is no right and wrong, no past or future.  There's just the game we're all playing, right now.

Good luck!

I am trying to take this advice and not get hung up in assumptions. I think others should as well... The difference is that I actually know information that I have publicly shared as factual. No one else has done that. But I am trying to ground my assumptions in the reality of my QT information. I don't know what others are basing their assumptions off and so I am being highly skeptical of them.

[yuma]

Lynched people are not coming back. I have outside information. I don't mind sharing this as we should try to find scum now instead of this pointless debate, yeah?

So are you directly contradicting yuma's claim?  (Not the bite thing, the coming back thing)

No, I'm saying that a lynched/vengekilled/vigged person won't come back as a zombie.

Yuma can still come back as Judith.

Did you specifically ask about me?

[Hydrad]

quick post. but ya I think lynching has to be good. If theres a chance you come back as a zombie kinda think I think asher would have balanced around that but I highly doubt he expects us to not lynch.

Lets just lynch and see what happens kinda thing. I don't think discussing it to much now is needed.

[Ampharos]

Put me in the camp of also believing zombies =/= mafia.

Frankly, I want Yuma to live to see what happens. 

[silverspawn]

posticus

[A Drowned Kernel]

Big post from me tomorrow.

[Roadrunner7671]

Put me in the camp of also believing zombies =/= mafia.

Frankly, I want Yuma to live to see what happens.

Do you have flavor knowledge?

[Witherweaver]

Lynching Yuma seems like a waste of a lynch.

[EFHW]

quick post. but ya I think lynching has to be good. If theres a chance you come back as a zombie kinda think I think asher would have balanced around that but I highly doubt he expects us to not lynch.

Lets just lynch and see what happens kinda thing. I don't think discussing it to much now is needed.

if yuma becomes a zombie,  we can shoot him. There is some risk of him biting someone,  I suppose.  I asked ash if lynches prevent becoming zombies, but he didn't answer. I wouldn't want to use up a later lynch, so in my mind it's  we lynch him today or we wait and see what happens.

I don't really see much of a rush, here. It doesn't seem likely he would live past N2.

I'm on my phone right now.  I'll post reads tomorrow when it's easier to navigate.

PPE WW said the same thing as me here, but much more succinctly!

[yuma]

Well since none of you seem interested in helping me keep my win con I am just going to say i don't really give two hoots about yours either...

[faust]

Well since none of you seem interested in helping me keep my win con I am just going to say i don't really give two hoots about yours either...

I have pointed out my concerns. You have not responded. Not sure what else you want.

[chairs]

FYI, my daughter's birthday is being celebrated this weekend AND I have 6 projects (a lot for my work) due next Tuesday, at least one of which I have to restart from scratch because some asshats screwed up the data side and had to rebuild the client's site. I'll log in to post, but heavy commitment to this game for the next few days is effectively impossible for me.

[ashersky]

Vote Count 1.6:

chairs (1): Hydrad
yuma (2): Roadrunner7671, yuma
2.7 (1):  EFHW
gkrieg13 (1): A Drowned Kernel
A Drowned Kernel (1): faust
EFHW (1): gkrieg13

Not Voting (7): silverspawn, Ampharos, chairs, SirMartin, Witherweaver, 2.7, Limetime, Haddock

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

Day 1 ends on March 26 at 4:20 p.m. forum time.  That's in ~2.5 days.

[Haddock]

vote: ADK then.

[silverspawn]

right, I can't even vote. I forgot.

[faust]

right, I can't even vote. I forgot.

Do you have any reads on people who are not called yuma?

[Ampharos]

right, I can't even vote. I forgot.

Hah I totally forgot I'm unable to as well. 

SUPER FUN TIMES

*sits on hands*

[Roadrunner7671]

Why can no one vote??

[faust]

Why can no one vote??

Check the Perimeter: One-third of living players (rounded down), randomly selected, will be unable to post for 48 hours or vote for the rest of the day. If random zombies would have wandered into the farm during the day or following night, they will be stopped.

[Roadrunner7671]

Why can no one vote??

Check the Perimeter: One-third of living players (rounded down), randomly selected, will be unable to post for 48 hours or vote for the rest of the day. If random zombies would have wandered into the farm during the day or following night, they will be stopped.

Nice. nice.

[yuma]

Why would people getting bit be s thing if they didn't become zombies? Also the fact that the group actions make a distinction of "random zombies" indicates that there are other kinds.

I am not sure I understand your question. People die if they got bit. If people are dead, they turn into zombies.

Then how do we win?

You need to post or you are going to be hated.

[faust]

Well, the deadline is soonish and we should get some proper wagons I guess? Who of you is able to vote anyways?

Hydrad, RR, yuma, EFHW, ADK, faust, gkrieg, Limetime, Haddock

Limetime and Haddock are not voting however. They should.

Everyone who is voting: Could you please give me your reasoning for why your vote is where it is, and what you think of the other players that have votes on them? I'm asking Hydrad, RR, EFHW in particular, but of course others can answer too.

[gkrieg13]

On mobile now but I would definitely switch to ADK.

[EFHW]

Well since none of you seem interested in helping me keep my win con I am just going to say i don't really give two hoots about yours either...

I don't see how lynching or not lynching you affects your wincon.  What am I missing?

[EFHW]

I agree we need to start consolidating our votes. I'm going to have to look things over again though. Starting now.

[Haddock]

Limetime and Haddock are not voting however. They should.

Everyone who is voting: Could you please give me your reasoning for why your vote is where it is, and what you think of the other players that have votes on them? I'm asking Hydrad, RR, EFHW in particular, but of course others can answer too.

Dude:

vote: ADK then.

My reasoning was kind of explained above in my stream-of-consciousness stuff.  But in summary: generally a scummy feel.

I would also be very happy with RR, and still to some extent SS though I've lost some of my faith in that case.

Other existing "wagons":
chairs: meh.  Chairs gets easier to read as games progress.  No point lynching him early.
yuma: I don't like lynching someone just because we think they'll survive it or not zombify or anything.  The truth is we have no idea how things will go.  And I don't find yuma scummy.  Might be a better alternative than some things though.
2.7: I can't think what e has really done this game, though I'm admittedly not 100% as focussed as I could be.  Could lynch.
gkrieg: Why is there a vote here?  He seems towny to me.  Oh yeah, it's ADK voting.  There you go.
EFHW: Yeah, could lynch.  Hasn't said too much.

[gkrieg13]

vote: ADK

But remember when EFHW flips scum that I was right!

[2.71828.....]

vote: ADK

But remember when EFHW flips scum that I was right!

You can just vote for her tomorrow. But faust/efhw are right. We need to get some proper wagons going

[faust]

Dude:

vote: ADK then.

Sorry, I was just going with the last vote count.

[2.71828.....]

Well since none of you seem interested in helping me keep my win con I am just going to say i don't really give two hoots about yours either...

I don't see how lynching or not lynching you affects your wincon.  What am I missing?

This. You talk how when you die you will get a new role/etc....new win con as well?

[Roadrunner7671]

Unvote
Why would you be happy with a RR lynch Haddock?

[EFHW]

Still working my way through.  I'm up to just when yuma got the bite and so far I have noticed a few interesting things.

1. Hydrad did not seem to read the setup information carefully at all.

2. I agree with faust that chairs' advice and worries seem forced.  At first when he said there might be downsides to the group powers I thought that was something to consider, but when he kept saying it, it started to feel like when scum try to get town distracted with things that aren't actually concerns.  And having considered it, I do not think there will be hidden consequences since there are already overt ones.

3. faust's saying not to vote for him at first seems like a towny warning, but then he says if there is a majority wanting to vote him he would accept it.  Does that mean the bad consequences would no longer apply?  Or are the bad consequences just for him?

4.  Really dislike silver voting Haddock for RVS'g.  There have been plenty of RMM games with RVS.  I haven't seen that distinction drawn before.  And FOS on ADK as well, for sheeping that.

5. There are about 200 posts preceding yuma being bitten that are just fluff and no one was doing much of anything.

6. My vote on e was out of suspicion that he was the source of yuma's bite.  That seems hasty to me now.

Town reads on yuma, Haddock, RR (can you believe it?!)
Mixed on faust, ADK, silver, Hydrad
scumread on chairs

I don't know Ampharos or Limetime at all, so null on them.  Anyone else not mentioned is null.

At this point I'll vote: chairs.

[Roadrunner7671]

What is so weird about having a town read on RR?

[chairs]

If I could vote, I'd vote EFHW because he lied in point 2 on his "interesting things" list.

There are no overt consequences listed for "Split up", which was the point I tried to stress in my discussion of potential covert consequences.

[faust]

If I could vote, I'd vote EFHW because he lied in point 2 on his "interesting things" list.

There are no overt consequences listed for "Split up", which was the point I tried to stress in my discussion of potential covert consequences.

1. EFHW's female.
2. That's a stupid reason to vote for someone.
3. Vote: chairs

[faust]

I guess I'm just at a point where's I'd really prefer to lynch a lurker because these people make this great game unfun.

[Hydrad]

I guess I'm just at a point where's I'd really prefer to lynch a lurker because these people make this great game unfun.

Ya I blame myself for this. I'm going to try to only be in one game from now on to see if that helps out. Because its pretty obvious I can't really do 2-3 that well.

Anyways though. I'm still fine with a chairs vote. But I'd like to have a competing wagon as well as right now it feels like chairs is the only option. As for who the competing wagon can be...

Vote: ADK for now sounds fun.

[Roadrunner7671]

I guess I'm just at a point where's I'd really prefer to lynch a lurker because these people make this great game unfun.

What about acti-lurkers?

[Ampharos]

I started a kind of reread since I probably fall into Faust's lurker category.  Didn't get very far before realizing SS reads pretty scummy.  I'm also probably wrong about this.

[gkrieg13]

I started a kind of reread since I probably fall into Faust's lurker category.  Didn't get very far before realizing SS reads pretty scummy.  I'm also probably wrong about this.

What did you get from the rest of the reread?

[Ampharos]

I'm on an ipad, which i hate using, which means im dumb since there is a perfectly acceptable laptop literally right next to me.  so, Im kind of like rereading in little segments and stopping when i have something to say. 

next thing to say: i am okay with the chairs wagon.  faust said something about his posts feeling forced, and i was already feeling that by the time i got there.

also, faust is probably town here.  he reads very town!faust.  last 2 games i read him successfully as scum then town.  however, im not a big fan of his thingy about not voting for him. im leaving open the possibility hes scum

[faust]

3. faust's saying not to vote for him at first seems like a towny warning, but then he says if there is a majority wanting to vote him he would accept it.  Does that mean the bad consequences would no longer apply?  Or are the bad consequences just for him?

Well let's just say if a majority wants to lynch me, I will reveal more, and then everything will become clear.

[Ampharos]

yuma reads town. 

this is hard... can i be done now?

[faust]

I guess I'm just at a point where's I'd really prefer to lynch a lurker because these people make this great game unfun.

What about acti-lurkers?

I don't think we have any of those.

[Roadrunner7671]

I guess I'm just at a point where's I'd really prefer to lynch a lurker because these people make this great game unfun.

What about acti-lurkers?

I don't think we have any of those.

What am I, chopped liver?

[Ampharos]

Seriously, im done with this ipad reread. worst idea

e reads slight scum

gk reads town

[faust]

Stuff to think about: We probably want to give people a chance to claim. Day ends in little less than 2 days, so our frontrunners (ADK, chairs?) should probably think about claiming tomorrow.

Note that claims are generally more important in this setup since we cannot really figure out what a role does from a flip.

[faust]

I guess I'm just at a point where's I'd really prefer to lynch a lurker because these people make this great game unfun.

What about acti-lurkers?

I don't think we have any of those.

What am I, chopped liver?

Believe it or not, you actually said some useful stuff here.

[Roadrunner7671]

I guess I'm just at a point where's I'd really prefer to lynch a lurker because these people make this great game unfun.

What about acti-lurkers?

I don't think we have any of those.

What am I, chopped liver?

Believe it or not, you actually said some useful stuff here.

I don't believe that!

[yuma]

whose the biggest wagon?

[gkrieg13]

whose the biggest wagon?

I think chairs and ADK are at 3 each?

[2.71828.....]

But we don't know all of the hated data.  We know some of it (chairs being hated) but not all

[gkrieg13]

But we don't know all of the hated data.  We know some of it (chairs being hated) but not all

I don't think enough of us can vote to make the hated thing matter anyway.

[2.71828.....]

But we don't know all of the hated data.  We know some of it (chairs being hated) but not all

I don't think enough of us can vote to make the hated thing matter anyway.

it matters because of plurality lynch

[gkrieg13]

But we don't know all of the hated data.  We know some of it (chairs being hated) but not all

I don't think enough of us can vote to make the hated thing matter anyway.

it matters because of plurality lynch

I guess I just mean that we don't have to worry about derphammers.

[A Drowned Kernel]

My life is extremely busy right now. I've completely let this game slip and I apologize for that. I am going to go to bed and wake up early tomorrow and do a reread and prove my towniness. I hope to do this without having to claim.

[yuma]

My life is extremely busy right now. I've completely let this game slip and I apologize for that. I am going to go to bed and wake up early tomorrow and do a reread and prove my towniness. I hope to do this without having to claim.

I am already convinced

[gkrieg13]

My life is extremely busy right now. I've completely let this game slip and I apologize for that. I am going to go to bed and wake up early tomorrow and do a reread and prove my towniness. I hope to do this without having to claim.

I am already convinced

Is this sarcasm?

[ashersky]

Vote Count 1.7:

chairs (2): EFHW, faust
yuma (1): yuma
gkrieg13 (1): A Drowned Kernel
A Drowned Kernel (3): Haddock, gkrieg13, Hydrad

Not Voting (7): silverspawn, Ampharos, chairs, SirMartin, Witherweaver, 2.7, Limetime, Roadrunner 7671

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

Day 1 ends on March 26 at 4:20 p.m. forum time.  That's in ~1.5 days.

[ashersky]

SirMartin and Limetime have been prodded.

[yuma]

My life is extremely busy right now. I've completely let this game slip and I apologize for that. I am going to go to bed and wake up early tomorrow and do a reread and prove my towniness. I hope to do this without having to claim.

I am already convinced

Is this sarcasm?

Yes. (this is sarcasm)

[Haddock]

Is anyone else not getting the usual towny vibes off of faust in this game?
I don't find him superscummy or anything, and he's not lynchable today.  But I thought it was worth mentioning.  Usually he feels really super towny.

[Ampharos]

Is anyone else not getting the usual towny vibes off of faust in this game?
I don't find him superscummy or anything, and he's not lynchable today.  But I thought it was worth mentioning.  Usually he feels really super towny.

As mentioned last page, I find him mostly townie, but there's a little ? going on in the back of my head that I'm keeping tabs on.

[faust]

Is anyone else not getting the usual towny vibes off of faust in this game?

Dude, I checked every single game you played and as far as I can tell, you have never once been town in a game where I was town too. So what exactly do you mean by "usual towny vibes"? Or are you just picking up some supposed meta on me that is actually very inaccurate?

[A Drowned Kernel]

Okay, so first the points against me, as far as I can see them:

-Some people are saying they find me scummy for initially arguing in favor of Split Up. I don't think this makes sense- we were given options, and I felt there was an argument in favor of choosing one over the other. CtP has a big downside- people not being able to post and vote loses us a lot of important Day One interactions. I'm not upset that we eventually chose it, but I don't see how wanting to consider the alternative makes me scummy.

-I asked people to stop talking about theory so much and expressed concern over the time we had left. My tone here wasn't the best, but it came from a place of genuine frustration. This game has been a lot of talk and speculation about the setup, which is fine when you have something useful to say or information to give, but I felt like people were talking in a lot of circles and repeating things that had already been said. And when people are doing that, it looks like they're posting just to appear active.

-I've been lurking. This is on me, but it's frustrating to be town and to be pretty much the leading wagon. It demotivates me to play the game, which I'm trying to fight right now.

I'm going to do a reread and sort out my reads:

Witherweaver- Way lurkier than I expect from WW. I'd vote here.

yuma- Seems like town to me, but his claim seems problematic. I don't like the idea of wasting a lynch making sure he lives. It's possible that someone has a role that can save him? I don't want to lynch here today.

2.7- Mostly null here. His reaction to me voting for him was a little eh in my opinion. Doesn't seem like he's interested in pushing any sort of wagon or lynch. I'd almost say he's acti-lurking.

gkrieg13- This post seems very towny. Not going to put my vote here today.

faust- His claim pretty much means he's off the table for today.

EFHW- Lots and lots of theory posts before she does anything with reads, but eventually she does. I like her vote on chairs, that's a good vote. Null.

Roadrunner7671- Pretty typical RR. Isn't currently voting, I'd like to see him put a vote down and commit to a read or two. Null.

Haddock- His big reread post is towny, though the only game I've played with him I was his scum partner and I can see him being able to make that post as scum. Not going to lynch him today but he's on my radar.

silverspawn- Is very active right off the bat, is engaging in discussion and responding to people in the early game, town read so far.

Hydrad- His vote on me looks super sheepy. Call it OMGUS but it gives me a scum read on him.

Limetime- Pretty much gone. I'd lurker lynch here but there's probably something better.

Ampharos- Lots of very short posts, mostly theory talk, not a lot of content. Null leaning scum.

chairs- scum read here. It's part gut but he also did vote for RR for suggesting Split Up, and I still maintain that that's not scummy.

SirMartin- Super lurky. The only read that he's given so far has been on chairs for not posting in the patrol QT. I don't really know how to read him, so null for now.

That's what I've got. I'm okay with vote: chairs right now.

PPE: I mean, faust is a town leader in general, but he's capable of filling that role as scum. I mainly don't want to vote for him because of his claim.

[Haddock]

Is anyone else not getting the usual towny vibes off of faust in this game?

Dude, I checked every single game you played and as far as I can tell, you have never once been town in a game where I was town too. So what exactly do you mean by "usual towny vibes"? Or are you just picking up some supposed meta on me that is actually very inaccurate?

Well I usually get towny vibes off of you. 
If you're right that we've never both been town then obviously there are two cases:
1) me being scum, obviously gonna know you're town, bias.
2) you being scum, me being town - apparently I get town vibes off you when you're scum.  Great .

So yeah if that's true then this might mean you're towny, more than anything else, by the converse of option 2. 
But I'm thinking Marvel Heroes Mafia?   Weren't you town there?

Wait I distinctly remember an endgame situation where we were both ICs.  I remember thinking you were towny for most of that game I think.  I'll find it and reread. 

PPE.

[Haddock]

Oh and his claim.  Yeah I'd forgotten about that.

[Haddock]

Right, so faust we were both town in Harry Potter mafia, where apparently I found you scummy early on.

So this doesn't help at all.  Clearly I'm just viewing things from the perspective of previously finding you towny when I was scum; which, well, obviously.
Forget I said anything.

[faust]

-I've been lurking. This is on me, but it's frustrating to be town and to be pretty much the leading wagon. It demotivates me to play the game, which I'm trying to fight right now.

I mostly buy this because I've seen you react differently to pressure as scum. So I guess chairs is a good lynch for today. My next best shot would probably be EFHW.

[Ampharos]

For some reason I like this post from ADK.  Can't put my finger on it but it feels towny.

[2.71828.....]

yeah, I think ADK is looking fairly townie here.  I need to do a reread of chairs to see what I can find there.

[2.71828.....]

yeah, I think ADK is looking fairly townie here.  I need to do a reread of chairs to see what I can find there.

Well, that was fast.  The wagon on chairs....exists because he has a couple votes.  I don't find anything he has done to be scummy.  This is busy chairs, not scummy chairs.  Not a fan of lynching

[EFHW]

If I could vote, I'd vote EFHW because he lied in point 2 on his "interesting things" list.

There are no overt consequences listed for "Split up", which was the point I tried to stress in my discussion of potential covert consequences.

That's not true, though.  Split up has the consequence that 1/2 the town is left unprotected.

[EFHW]

What is so weird about having a town read on RR?

weird for me, I meant.

[gkrieg13]

Eh I'd be for a lurker lunch today. Partially I just feel bad that someone active wouldn't get to play the game while someone who is actually thinking about the game would get lynched seems sad to me. And it is just more fun to play with active people. We can also find some scummy lurkers.

[yuma]

vote: Limetime

[Ampharos]

In my experience, lurkers are almost never scum.  However, I do understand they aren't very fun to play with.

But I'm not one with a vote, so do what you want.

[gkrieg13]

In my experience, lurkers are almost never scum.  However, I do understand they aren't very fun to play with.

But I'm not one with a vote, so do what you want.

Well they have to be scum about 20% of the time right?

[Ampharos]

I find being scum tends to make you more active rather than less active.  Scum are typically more invested in the game than the average town player.  So I think I'd drop that % a bit. 

[yuma]

In my experience, lurkers are almost never scum.  However, I do understand they aren't very fun to play with.

But I'm not one with a vote, so do what you want.

I don't think that is true at all...

Examples:
Cup Cake Mafia: Egork (15 posts, lynched day3), Hydrad (34 posts, lynched Day1)
Firefighter Mafia: yuma (89 posts, lived through the whole game, so this number was pretty low)
X-shots 2: xerxes (16 posts, lynched day3)
Harry Potter Mafia: gkrieg (40 posts, lynched Day3)
GOP Mafia: Edmund (54 posts lynched day5) Hydrad (37 posts, killed Night2)
Shakespear: Ghacob (36 posts, modkilled for inactivity)

And as I went through this there were the following games that didn't have lurking scum: Fanfiction, Switch2, Marvel and Soap Opera.

So... mafia does lurk. Often.

[yuma]

It is worth noting that lurking as scum is not a winning strategy for actually staying alive... as every player listed with the exception of myself were lynched or NKed during their games. I don't remember how many actually won though...

[Ampharos]

Some of those I would not consider lurkers, but you can probably find an exception to anything.

It's your vote, do what you want with it.

[gkrieg13]

I find being scum tends to make you more active rather than less active.  Scum are typically more invested in the game than the average town player.  So I think I'd drop that % a bit.

I think lurkers still lurk as scum.

[faust]

If I could vote, I'd vote EFHW because he lied in point 2 on his "interesting things" list.

There are no overt consequences listed for "Split up", which was the point I tried to stress in my discussion of potential covert consequences.

That's not true, though.  Split up has the consequence that 1/2 the town is left unprotected.

Though I assumed that otherwise the whole town would be unprotected, so it's an upside.

[faust]

vote: Limetime

Why? I mean I get a lurker lynch, but why Limetime? I don't think his lurking is an alignment tell.

[yuma]

vote: Limetime

Why? I mean I get a lurker lynch, but why Limetime? I don't think his lurking is an alignment tell.

Neither do I.

[faust]

vote: Limetime

Why? I mean I get a lurker lynch, but why Limetime? I don't think his lurking is an alignment tell.

Neither do I.

Look, if you're trying to taunt us into lynching you, it's not working.

[EFHW]

If I could vote, I'd vote EFHW because he lied in point 2 on his "interesting things" list.

There are no overt consequences listed for "Split up", which was the point I tried to stress in my discussion of potential covert consequences.

That's not true, though.  Split up has the consequence that 1/2 the town is left unprotected.

Though I assumed that otherwise the whole town would be unprotected, so it's an upside.

It may be difficult to get the town to agree to a plan that randomly leaves 1/2 unprotected.

[yuma]

vote: Limetime

Why? I mean I get a lurker lynch, but why Limetime? I don't think his lurking is an alignment tell.

Neither do I.

Look, if you're trying to taunt us into lynching you, it's not working.

I am not. I just think that lynching players in a RMM game on Day1 isn't very fun and is possibly quite harmful (edge case is where we hit scum and sure interactions are useful and all that, I will admit, but RMM is about power roles, not so much about interactions. That is just the name of the game). So if we are going to lynch someone it should be be or a player that isn't even playing the game.

I would be saying we should just no-lynch, but frankly that just brings out the wrath of everyone... and given the circumstances wouldn't be optimal anyways

[faust]

vote: Limetime

Why? I mean I get a lurker lynch, but why Limetime? I don't think his lurking is an alignment tell.

Neither do I.

Look, if you're trying to taunt us into lynching you, it's not working.

I am not. I just think that lynching players in a RMM game on Day1 isn't very fun and is possibly quite harmful (edge case is where we hit scum and sure interactions are useful and all that, I will admit, but RMM is about power roles, not so much about interactions. That is just the name of the game). So if we are going to lynch someone it should be be or a player that isn't even playing the game.

I would be saying we should just no-lynch, but frankly that just brings out the wrath of everyone... and given the circumstances wouldn't be optimal anyways

Well I don't really disagree. I guess I just hope that we get a replacement for Limetime and then it wouldn't be great to lynch him now. chairs or SirMartin are similarly lurking and will most likely continue playing. Hell, even WW had like one blurb of activity after his prod and now he's gone again.

[faust]

Yeah, WW's last post is again 1.5 das ago. Man, if you don't have the ressources to play here, then please do us all a favor and /out.

[gkrieg13]

I just realized I can check if people are hated sort of.  I can't cast the hammer vote, so we can just have me vote for the person at L-2 and if they are lynched, they were hated, if they weren't hated, they will stay alive

Also there is something going on in this game with being alive, not alive, and dead.  They are three different states, but I don't really want to talk a lot about this, I was just reading my role QT and thought it was relevant.

[Ampharos]

I think we can assume being a zombie is a very real thing and does not necessarily mean one is "dead" in the normal mafia sense.  What that entails is unclear at this point...

[yuma]

Yeah, WW's last post is again 1.5 das ago. Man, if you don't have the ressources to play here, then please do us all a favor and /out.

I don't think calling on player's to /out is a practice that I want to encourage. I do think player's should post at least the requirement, if not more. But the decision to /out should be made by the player in conjunction with the mod.

[EFHW]

I just realized I can check if people are hated sort of.  I can't cast the hammer vote, so we can just have me vote for the person at L-2 and if they are lynched, they were hated, if they weren't hated, they will stay alive

Also there is something going on in this game with being alive, not alive, and dead.  They are three different states, but I don't really want to talk a lot about this, I was just reading my role QT and thought it was relevant.

But you can't vote at all b/c you were on patrol, right?

[gkrieg13]

I just realized I can check if people are hated sort of.  I can't cast the hammer vote, so we can just have me vote for the person at L-2 and if they are lynched, they were hated, if they weren't hated, they will stay alive

Also there is something going on in this game with being alive, not alive, and dead.  They are three different states, but I don't really want to talk a lot about this, I was just reading my role QT and thought it was relevant.

But you can't vote at all b/c you were on patrol, right?

I wasn't on patrol

[EFHW]

I just realized I can check if people are hated sort of.  I can't cast the hammer vote, so we can just have me vote for the person at L-2 and if they are lynched, they were hated, if they weren't hated, they will stay alive

Also there is something going on in this game with being alive, not alive, and dead.  They are three different states, but I don't really want to talk a lot about this, I was just reading my role QT and thought it was relevant.

But you can't vote at all b/c you were on patrol, right?

I wasn't on patrol

very weird - for some reason I thought chairs made that post.

In that case, do you mean to say that you vote for them and then if your vote shows up they aren't hated and if it doesn't then they are?

[gkrieg13]

I just realized I can check if people are hated sort of.  I can't cast the hammer vote, so we can just have me vote for the person at L-2 and if they are lynched, they were hated, if they weren't hated, they will stay alive

Also there is something going on in this game with being alive, not alive, and dead.  They are three different states, but I don't really want to talk a lot about this, I was just reading my role QT and thought it was relevant.

But you can't vote at all b/c you were on patrol, right?

I wasn't on patrol

very weird - for some reason I thought chairs made that post.

In that case, do you mean to say that you vote for them and then if your vote shows up they aren't hated and if it doesn't then they are?

yep.

[silverspawn]

... I started this before it was cool  ADK did it.

anyways, - - - reads? Here are a few, mostly based on targeted rereads.

Haddock - faust - yuma

e

Witherweaver - ADK - SirMartin

Limetime

chairs

Limetime has nothing but a few sheeps. Gotta give scum points for that.

WW has very little period.

Haddock's case on me and then saying he lost confidence after my response is genuine. faust is town self, at least I hope so.

SirMartin hasn't posted much and almost everything I disagree with, but it seems a bit careless for scum. Still can't give him townpoints.

chairs everything has been said.

[Roadrunner7671]

RR never makes lists 

[yuma]

RR never makes lists 

Maybe you should make your own then... If people forget you it is your fault, not theirs...

[A Drowned Kernel]

In my experience, lurkers are almost never scum.  However, I do understand they aren't very fun to play with.

But I'm not one with a vote, so do what you want.

Lurkers are never scum except for the times you let it slide and they turn out to have been scum after all.

Lurking is useful for scum and putting pressure on lurkers forces them to give more information.

[A Drowned Kernel]

I just realized I can check if people are hated sort of.  I can't cast the hammer vote, so we can just have me vote for the person at L-2 and if they are lynched, they were hated, if they weren't hated, they will stay alive

Also there is something going on in this game with being alive, not alive, and dead.  They are three different states, but I don't really want to talk a lot about this, I was just reading my role QT and thought it was relevant.

OK I don't know what others feelings on this is but if you have an Antitown aspect to your role I feel like that should be claimed in your first post or something, we need this info.

[A Drowned Kernel]

Limetime is on the road to being modkilled or replaced.  Lynching him might be a waste of a lunch.

[Witherweaver]

Is anyone else not getting the usual towny vibes off of faust in this game?
I don't find him superscummy or anything, and he's not lynchable today.  But I thought it was worth mentioning.  Usually he feels really super towny.

I think Faust seems town this game.

[Roadrunner7671]

RR never makes lists 

Maybe you should make your own then... If people forget you it is your fault, not theirs...

I agree with the first part, but not the second.

[Hydrad]

I guess I haven't even done enough for ss to remember me.

[gkrieg13]

I just realized I can check if people are hated sort of.  I can't cast the hammer vote, so we can just have me vote for the person at L-2 and if they are lynched, they were hated, if they weren't hated, they will stay alive

Also there is something going on in this game with being alive, not alive, and dead.  They are three different states, but I don't really want to talk a lot about this, I was just reading my role QT and thought it was relevant.

OK I don't know what others feelings on this is but if you have an Antitown aspect to your role I feel like that should be claimed in your first post or something, we need this info.

It isn't that antitown. Not being able to hammer isn't that big of a deal in any game for me, because I don't hammer that often. Also it looks like hammering won't be a big deal these first few days anyway

[ashersky]

Vote Count 1.8:

chairs (3): EFHW, faust, A Drowned Kernel
A Drowned Kernel (3): Haddock, gkrieg13, Hydrad
Limetime (1): yuma

Not Voting (7): silverspawn, Ampharos, chairs, SirMartin, Witherweaver, 2.7, Limetime, Roadrunner 7671

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

Day 1 ends on March 26 at 4:20 p.m. forum time.  That's in ~1 day.

[Haddock]

I'm not sold on chairs at all. And actually ADK's response hadn't really convinced me of his towniness.
I'm still enormously surprised that noone agree with me about RR. He would absolutely be my first choice lynch behind ADK here.  He just seems... wrong this game.

[Ampharos]

I'm not sold on chairs at all. And actually ADK's response hadn't really convinced me of his towniness.
I'm still enormously surprised that noone agree with me about RR. He would absolutely be my first choice lynch behind ADK here.  He just seems... wrong this game.

Hmm, you're right... something is weird here.  He's approaching the game differently than normal. 

I'm not sure which alignment this indicates, though.

[faust]

Question: How do we want to end the day? Like, assume that the vote count as it is now stays like that and nobody switches. That would (probably) mean that chairs dies, because he is hated, even though he has the same amount of votes as ADK. That does not seem ideal, and also there's a small chance that ADK is hated too and then he could also die.

I think at some point, if we are close to a tie in votes, we should let those who don't have a vote weigh in and whoever they suspect more gets lynched.

[faust]

Note that a chairs lynch has an advantage over ADK (and everyone else): chairs is hated for the rest of the game. If he is town, that may turn into a serious liability, allowing scum to quickhammer easily if things go bad.

[2.71828.....]

I always have this problem the first day of RMM.  I love it, but everyone is so guarded most of the time.  Everyone has their role and it is the best role of all time and if they share anything it will ruin that role.

That being said, we have had some good setup discussion about the day actions, we have a few interesting things that are happening, but something just needs to get done.  What we haven't had is any good wagons.  No one has been particularly scummy...just lurky.  I am guilty of that as well.  But here we are, about 24 hours to go.  We need to do something.  And we need to do it. now.

[2.71828.....]

Note that a chairs lynch has an advantage over ADK (and everyone else): chairs is hated for the rest of the game. If he is town, that may turn into a serious liability, allowing scum to quickhammer easily if things go bad.

I don't think this is too much of a worry.  I mean, we are talking chairs going into a lylo position or something where the hated will really take effect.  Everyone knows chairs is hated.  Town does, scum does. 

If someone quickhammers him in a super scummy way, we just lynch them.  I mean, unless chairs flips scum, of course.  And, obviously, a discussion will be had.  But still.  I don't think it is THAT huge of a deal.  What it does mean is that chairs 3 votes count as 4 votes when it comes to plurality lynch today

[yuma]

I always have this problem the first day of RMM.  I love it, but everyone is so guarded most of the time.  Everyone has their role and it is the best role of all time and if they share anything it will ruin that role.

That being said, we have had some good setup discussion about the day actions, we have a few interesting things that are happening, but something just needs to get done.  What we haven't had is any good wagons.  No one has been particularly scummy...just lurky.  I am guilty of that as well.  But here we are, about 24 hours to go.  We need to do something.  And we need to do it. now.

How about we lynch the guy that won't be using his night action anyways since he isn't playing the game...

[yuma]

or we could just no-lynch, or lynch me....

[SirMartin]

I'm here now! I think I got prodded.

I don't have time for a full reread but I will point out that I would rather no lynch. This is RMM and no one seems to have scumreads on anyone.

[2.71828.....]

or we could just no-lynch, or lynch me....

we would have to vote for a no-lynch.  Don't think that is going to happen.  Lynching you...while I see possible upside to it, I don't think we should. 

[faust]

I'm here now! I think I got prodded.

I don't have time for a full reread but I will point out that I would rather no lynch. This is RMM and no one seems to have scumreads on anyone.

That reminds me... we could also lynch SirMartin.

[silverspawn]

An odd request coming from the guy who not too long ago said we should treat this like a normal game and not even talk about the setup.

[faust]

An odd request coming from the guy who not too long ago said we should treat this like a normal game and not even talk about the setup.

Is this directed towards ADK?

[Roadrunner7671]

An odd request coming from the guy who not too long ago said we should treat this like a normal game and not even talk about the setup.

Is this directed towards ADK?

I think SirMartin.

[silverspawn]

yeah, SirMatin.

[A Drowned Kernel]

I'm here now! I think I got prodded.

I don't have time for a full reread but I will point out that I would rather no lynch. This is RMM and no one seems to have scumreads on anyone.

For a no-lynch to happen we'd either have to vote it in or have everyone unvote (I think). And no-lynching is pretty much always a bad idea, even for day one. And yeah, you get scum-points for suggesting it.

[gkrieg13]

I'm fine with either of the wagons going to lynch at this point.  Would also be fine with SirMartin, limetime, RR. 

I like it when Ampharos contributes.

[Roadrunner7671]

I'm fine with either of the wagons going to lynch at this point.  Would also be fine with SirMartin, limetime, RR. 

I like it when Ampharos contributes.

Why RR? I've been useful!

[A Drowned Kernel]

It occurs to me that there's pretty much no way this isn't going to the deadline. With the four patrollers, e, and WW all voteless, their are 8 voters, so unless someone votes themselves our only lynch options would be e, chairs, or one of the Hated players, and even then it would have to be unanimous among all the people who can vote. I suppose yuma would also be willing to vote for himself, so that's still an option.

But people should get their votes where they're sure they want them, because it's just going to be most at deadline (and by that I mean they should get their votes off of me, because I'm pretty sure I'm the one getting lynched if we hit deadline).

[A Drowned Kernel]

Question: How do we want to end the day? Like, assume that the vote count as it is now stays like that and nobody switches. That would (probably) mean that chairs dies, because he is hated, even though he has the same amount of votes as ADK. That does not seem ideal, and also there's a small chance that ADK is hated too and then he could also die.

I think at some point, if we are close to a tie in votes, we should let those who don't have a vote weigh in and whoever they suspect more gets lynched.

Or we should listen to faust, that's probably better than what I was saying.

[Roadrunner7671]

Vote: No Lynch
What's the point of lynching? Our night actions are important and we want to go into night with as many people as possible, right? See if there'll be a kill, report important night actions, etc.
PPE

[Hydrad]

ok i think we should lynch. no lynching just seems like a mistake to me.

Although if people reallly want to no lynch for some reason we may as well kill yuma instead of nolynching.

[Roadrunner7671]

ok i think we should lynch. no lynching just seems like a mistake to me.

Although if people reallly want to no lynch for some reason we may as well kill yuma instead of nolynching.

No way do I want to kill Yuma. We have a failsafe bullet. Let's see what happens if he becomes a zombie. We can also see how long it takes and stuff.

Unless he'd rather die...

[A Drowned Kernel]

ok i think we should lynch. no lynching just seems like a mistake to me.

Although if people reallly want to no lynch for some reason we may as well kill yuma instead of nolynching.

This is true.

[silverspawn]

yes. lynch yuma.

[yuma]

I'm here now! I think I got prodded.

I don't have time for a full reread but I will point out that I would rather no lynch. This is RMM and no one seems to have scumreads on anyone.

For a no-lynch to happen we'd either have to vote it in or have everyone unvote (I think). And no-lynching is pretty much always a bad idea, even for day one. And yeah, you get scum-points for suggesting it.

Well I was the one who suggested it. And I continue to generally think it is a good idea to try in RMM. The fact is we have never actually tried it, so have no conclusive data on whether it would actually be a good idea, just speculation (grounded in good theory of course in that lynching is generally good in standard mafia games, but RMM isn't standard)

And I have been saying for a while that in this game we have a really good alternative in just lynching me instead...

[Roadrunner7671]

Maybe there's a reason that almost none of us can vote.

[Hydrad]

Maybe there's a reason that almost none of us can vote.

I think that reason is because we chose it... not because the game is designed for us not to lynch each other.

If anything with the factor that even if we don't hit 8 people we still lynch the majority in this game I think that means hes wanting us to lynch people.

[ashersky]

Vote Count 1.9:

chairs (3): EFHW, faust, A Drowned Kernel
A Drowned Kernel (3): Haddock, gkrieg13, Hydrad
Limetime (1): yuma
No Lynch (1): Roadrunner7671

Not Voting (7): silverspawn, Ampharos, chairs, SirMartin, Witherweaver, 2.7, Limetime

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

Day 1 ends on March 26 at 4:20 p.m. forum time.  That's in ~11 hours.

[ashersky]

Limetime has lost his vote and is Hated for the rest of today due to inactivity.

[faust]

ash is looking for substitutes, which means that Limetime will likely get replaced.

[faust]

New activity log:

WW: last active 17 hours ago
yuma: last active 7 hours ago
e: last active 14 hours ago
gkrieg: last active 9 hours ago
faust: last active now
EFHW: last active 17 hours ago
RR: last active 7 hours ago
ADK: last active 8 hours ago
Haddock: last active 16 hours ago
silver: last active 14 hours ago
Hydrad: last active 8 hours ago
Limetime: last active a week ago
Ampharos: last active 16 hours ago
chairs: last active 39 hours ago
SirMartin: last active 14 hours ago

This game is a disgrace.

[faust]

Okay, so less than 11 hours to deadline, and this is dead. I'm going to take charge now, and you can accuse me later of being bossy or whatever, but apparently some people are unable to get anything done without constantly being given a kick in the ass.

Everyone, in your next post, state which 3 players you think are the scummiest so far, in order.

It says "scummiest", not best lynch, by the way.

Here's mine:

chairs
EFHW
silverspawn

[A Drowned Kernel]

chairs
SirMartin
EFHW

[Witherweaver]

ADK
Gkrieg
Hydrad

[gkrieg13]

EFHW
Chairs
ADK

[faust]

I guess it would also be nice to know who can make it to the deadline... especially among the people who are still able to vote.

And of course it would be nice to have some justifications for those reads, if not already given. The only surprise so far is gkrieg, I don't remember anyone calling him scummy.

[gkrieg13]

I guess it would also be nice to know who can make it to the deadline... especially among the people who are still able to vote.

And of course it would be nice to have some justifications for those reads, if not already given. The only surprise so far is gkrieg, I don't remember anyone calling him scummy.

Yes I would like him to elaborate on that.

[yuma]

Okay, so less than 11 hours to deadline, and this is dead. I'm going to take charge now, and you can accuse me later of being bossy or whatever, but apparently some people are unable to get anything done without constantly being given a kick in the ass.

Everyone, in your next post, state which 3 players you think are the scummiest so far, in order.

It says "scummiest", not best lynch, by the way.

Here's mine:

chairs
EFHW
silverspawn

I have no intention of doing this. You are being bossy, you don't need to give a kick in the ass, we don't have to lynch anyone. And frankly, I wouldn't be able to answer the question anyway. My standards for lynching in RMM games is much higher than it is in a normal game given that I expect on later days to have more solid role based or influenced reads to off, as such any scum reads I currently have a extremely mild and not really worth pursuing in any concrete way.

Who are the people that are permanently hated? I'll lynch them:
Limetime
chairs
WW

Hey look, I answered your silly question on accident.

[gkrieg13]

I may or may not be around for deadline.

[2.71828.....]

Ampharos
Hydrad
SirMartin

Not sure why so many people think adk is scum.

Also, yeah. D1 has been bad. Doesn't mean we can't improve tomorrow

[2.71828.....]

I think we might need some serious discussion about going out on patrol. That really seemed to slow things down. External factors exist, obviously. But we need to do what w can to keep momentum moving

[Haddock]

For me it goes:
RR/ADK, tied.
Quite a way behind is
SirMartin

But I'd be willing to lynch plenty of people. Yuma seems like a decent fallback lynch based on his resurrection as well.

People have been inactive this game and I don't have a problem with faust going to take charge this close to deadline.
I do think the disgrace comment is unnecessary though. Simple and understandable explanations for inactivity have already been given, and one 12ish hour period with little activity is hardly a disgrace. Sleeping is a thing particularly on a holiday weekend.

[2.71828.....]

I mean, yeah. Sleep is a thing, but a lot of these are more than just sleep for the night.

[faust]

Ampharos
Hydrad
SirMartin

Not sure why so many people think adk is scum.

Also, yeah. D1 has been bad. Doesn't mean we can't improve tomorrow

Interesting. How is Ampharos scummy?

[faust]

I have no intention of doing this. You are being bossy, you don't need to give a kick in the ass, we don't have to lynch anyone. And frankly, I wouldn't be able to answer the question anyway. My standards for lynching in RMM games is much higher than it is in a normal game given that I expect on later days to have more solid role based or influenced reads to off, as such any scum reads I currently have a extremely mild and not really worth pursuing in any concrete way.

Who are the people that are permanently hated? I'll lynch them:
Limetime
chairs
WW

Hey look, I answered your silly question on accident.

You don't have to lynch anyone. But I would think tat even if we don't, D1 interactions are an important tool in finding scum, and you are refusing to give them.

Now for something completely different... I though only chairs was permanently hated, and the other two hated & voteless only today? If I remember that right.

[Ampharos]

Probably because I'm semi-lurky.

Scummy, in no particular order:

e
RR
SirMartin

[silverspawn]

I've pretty much already answered that.

and this game really doesn't have super low activity or anything

[Roadrunner7671]

I will be at the deadline.
Ampharos
WitherWeaver
EFHW/SS

[Witherweaver]

How did Chairs get permanently hated?

[Roadrunner7671]

How did Chairs get permanently hated?

Posting whilst on patrol.

[gkrieg13]

deadline in 3 hours right?

[Roadrunner7671]

deadline in 3 hours right?

Roughly.

[gkrieg13]

I think chairs will be lynched at this point ya?  Unless ADK is hated from CtP

[faust]

Evaluation of lists so far:

4 mentions: SirMartin, EFHW
3 mentions: chairs, ADK
2 mentions: Hydrad, Ampharos, RR, silverspawn
1 mention: gkrieg, e, WW
0 mentions: yuma, faust, Haddock, Limetime

[faust]

The current vote count is weird considering that more peope seem to find people scummy who have 0 votes than anything else.

[faust]

RR, no lynch isn't happening. Decide between EFHW, SirMartin, ADK and chairs.

[faust]

yuma... I don't think I can say anything that you won't dismiss immediately... but: would you consider voting for someone who is actually a lynch candidate?

[faust]

I think if chairs doesn't post before deadline, he will have missed a 48 hour period and is likely to get yet another penalty... so that is one more argument in favor of a chairs lynch. Unless he comes online soon and reveals that he's a delayed IC or something.

[yuma]

yuma... I don't think I can say anything that you won't dismiss immediately... but: would you consider voting for someone who is actually a lynch candidate?

I'd lynch you. And of course I would consider others... ADK looks bad. Already said I would for chairs or limeime, and yes you are right about ww and Martin.

So there... Faust, chairs, limetime, probably in order of limetime, Faust, chairs

[yuma]

Evaluation of lists so far:

4 mentions: SirMartin, EFHW
3 mentions: chairs, ADK
2 mentions: Hydrad, Ampharos, RR, silverspawn
1 mention: gkrieg, e, WW
0 mentions: yuma, faust, Haddock, Limetime

And has this sort of list gathering ever actually been effectual at lynching scum?

[Roadrunner7671]

Vote: SirMartin

[faust]

Evaluation of lists so far:

4 mentions: SirMartin, EFHW
3 mentions: chairs, ADK
2 mentions: Hydrad, Ampharos, RR, silverspawn
1 mention: gkrieg, e, WW
0 mentions: yuma, faust, Haddock, Limetime

And has this sort of list gathering ever actually been effectual at lynching scum?

Well it's certainly more productive than sulking in your corner and criticized every single try to actually play the game.

[2.71828.....]

Little bit over 2 hours remaining.  Doesn't look like we are moving anywhere fast. 

[Haddock]

Gah.
I really don't like the chairs lynch.

Would change to almost anyone else if anything resembling  a wagon formed.

Maybe I'm OK with a SirMartin lynch.  Don't like to sheep RR though. No trust in him this game at all.

[Roadrunner7671]

Gah.
I really don't like the chairs lynch.

Would change to almost anyone else if anything resembling  a wagon formed.

Maybe I'm OK with a SirMartin lynch.  Don't like to sheep RR though. No trust in him this game at all.

What is wrong with RR this game??

[Haddock]

You're not yourself. It comes off scummy. Me no like.  I know that's just gut but that's what I got.  You and ADK are my joint first priority lynches but it looks like neither is happening.

This probably explains the inactivity this game.
Half the eligible voters like chairs and won't budge, and the other half vice versa.

[gkrieg13]

I would go SirMartin

vote: SirMartin

[Roadrunner7671]

You're not yourself. It comes off scummy. Me no like.  I know that's just gut but that's what I got.  You and ADK are my joint first priority lynches but it looks like neither is happening.

This probably explains the inactivity this game.
Half the eligible voters like chairs and won't budge, and the other half vice versa.

I'm constantly changing my meta and playstyle.

[yuma]

Evaluation of lists so far:

4 mentions: SirMartin, EFHW
3 mentions: chairs, ADK
2 mentions: Hydrad, Ampharos, RR, silverspawn
1 mention: gkrieg, e, WW
0 mentions: yuma, faust, Haddock, Limetime

And has this sort of list gathering ever actually been effectual at lynching scum?

Well it's certainly more productive than sulking in your corner and criticized every single try to actually play the game.

Vote: Faust

Hope I just ruined whatever ability you have

[Haddock]

OK SirMartin is a better lynch than chairs to my mind.

vote: sirmartin

[yuma]

Vote: limetime

[Roadrunner7671]

Evaluation of lists so far:

4 mentions: SirMartin, EFHW
3 mentions: chairs, ADK
2 mentions: Hydrad, Ampharos, RR, silverspawn
1 mention: gkrieg, e, WW
0 mentions: yuma, faust, Haddock, Limetime

And has this sort of list gathering ever actually been effectual at lynching scum?

Well it's certainly more productive than sulking in your corner and criticized every single try to actually play the game.

Vote: Faust

Hope I just ruined whatever ability you have

You did a bad thing.

[yuma]

Evaluation of lists so far:

4 mentions: SirMartin, EFHW
3 mentions: chairs, ADK
2 mentions: Hydrad, Ampharos, RR, silverspawn
1 mention: gkrieg, e, WW
0 mentions: yuma, faust, Haddock, Limetime

And has this sort of list gathering ever actually been effectual at lynching scum?

Well it's certainly more productive than sulking in your corner and criticized every single try to actually play the game.

Vote: Faust

Hope I just ruined whatever ability you have

You did a bad thing.

I am a bad person sulking in my corner...

[faust]

Vote: yuma

Whatever. I don't even care anymore.

[Roadrunner7671]

Vote: yuma

Whatever. I don't even care anymore.

So now what happens?

[yuma]

Vote: yuma

Whatever. I don't even care anymore.

How is your corner?

Can't be as nice as mine. I've been here for a while so I've spruced it up a bit. Added a pillow and a mini fridge.

[SirMartin]

I'd rather not become the default lynch so I'm considering claiming.

[2.71828.....]

Now this is interesting.

[SirMartin]

I'll stick around until the deadline, but I'm very new to Mafia ad unsure whether or not a claim here is good.

[faust]

Vote: yuma

Whatever. I don't even care anymore.

So now what happens?

Whatever. I don't even care anymore.

[SirMartin]

If Faust doesnt care, that makes him a premium lynch option, yes?

[2.71828.....]

If Faust doesnt care, that makes him a premium lynch option, yes?

No.  It doesn't

[yuma]

Pro-tip:

If you have a role that is negatively affected by votes... don't be super condescending to the populace that can easily vote for you. It won't turn out well. Honestly I am surprised it took someone (including me this long to vote that way)

[2.71828.....]

I think D1 policy has been kind of to accept all claims at face value and wait to see what comes of them.  So no one really voted faust.  Wait and see policy.

no longer.

RR's response is interesting though.  I am curious if he has information regarding faust's role.

[2.71828.....]

I am not saying that it is a good policy to enact, but that just seems to be what everyone has done

[Roadrunner7671]

I think D1 policy has been kind of to accept all claims at face value and wait to see what comes of them.  So no one really voted faust.  Wait and see policy.

no longer.

RR's response is interesting though.  I am curious if he has information regarding faust's role.

Mod provided information? No.

Flavor speculation knowledge? Yes.

[yuma]

I think D1 policy has been kind of to accept all claims at face value and wait to see what comes of them.  So no one really voted faust.  Wait and see policy.

Sure. But at this point, I don't trust faust at all. If I had a roleblocking ability tonight, I would roleblock him. If my voting for him did the same thing as that then good in my estimation.

[faust]

Pro-tip:

If you have a role that is negatively affected by votes... don't be super condescending to the populace that can easily vote for you. It won't turn out well. Honestly I am surprised it took someone (including me this long to vote that way)

Good thing the guy dealing out "por-tips" isn't condescending at all.

[yuma]

Pro-tip:

If you have a role that is negatively affected by votes... don't be super condescending to the populace that can easily vote for you. It won't turn out well. Honestly I am surprised it took someone (including me this long to vote that way)

Good thing the guy dealing out "por-tips" isn't condescending at all.

I don't have a role that is negatively affected by getting votes. I can be a condescending as I want.... of course people might end up hating me. So I do try to not be too condescending... but I can't always stop myself. This should be apparent about my personality at this point in f.DS mafia.

[silverspawn]

nolynch >= lynch

yumaLynch > nolynch

we should lynch yuma.

[Haddock]

I won't unvote sirmartin right now since I think we need the chairs wagon to have decent competition.

But I could
vote: yuma
Since he'll survive anyway.

I suggest people (who can vote) italic vote yuma if they want it, so we can see if thats likely to go through.  Then we can all do it properly before deadline if necessary.

[2.71828.....]

wow.  That haddock post is SOOOO hedgy

put him to the top of my scummy list

[2.71828.....]

italic votes with an hour to deadline are votes that you don't want to count

So, are you the one who bit yuma and you don't want him to get lynched because he might not become a Walker like you?

[2.71828.....]

Day 1 ends on March 26 at 4:20 p.m. forum time.

Ashersky has been very specific.  D1 ends in 1 hour, 10 minutes.  No time for half measures.  I would vote Haddock right now if I could

[SirMartin]

One hour remaining. I still can't vote.

[SirMartin]

Request Vote Count

[Haddock]

italic votes with an hour to deadline are votes that you don't want to count

So, are you the one who bit yuma and you don't want him to get lynched because he might not become a Walker like you?

This is all a horrendous misrepresentation. I'm happy to lynch yuma. But I will not move my vote until I know that by doing so I am forming another wagon to rival chairs's. You are doing the same by finding me scummy but not voting me. Presumably for the same reason.

[yuma]

Vote: yuma

[silverspawn]

Unofficial Vote Count:

yuma (3): silverspawn, faust, yuma
A Drowned Kernel (4): chairs, Haddock, gkrieg13, Hydrad
chairs (3): Witherweaver, EFHW, A Drowned Kernel

Not Voting (3): Ampharos, e, Limetime

No-Lynch (1): Roadrunner7671

[silverspawn]

make that 2 / 3 / 3 as mine and chairs' vote doesn't count.

[silverspawn]

still a chairs lynch. Well, Not the worst.

[gkrieg13]

I'm pretty sure there are more people voting for SirMartin

[Haddock]

vote: yuma since it brings him level with chairs. I didn't realise that.

Can people on the chairs wagon confirm they still want to be there? I don't think it's a good idea.

[Haddock]

Someone please join either the ADK or yuma wagons.  I'd go either right now. Prefer ADK but without an extra vote somewhere it doesn't matter anyway because of chairs being hated.

[Hydrad]

vote: Yuma

I don't know how long till locked. Haven't read last pages but seems people are wanting this. Rereading and might change my mind

[SirMartin]

Good night

[Roadrunner7671]

Tick tock let's lynch Martin

[Hydrad]

OK looks like I'm caught up. So for now it's a 50/50 between Yuma and chairs. And even adk has a chance to get lynched. Well this is kinda interesting honestly. Sorry though for some reason I thought I saw Sunday as the lunch day. So I almost missed it.

[A Drowned Kernel]

vote: Yuma

[Haddock]

OK well that's better than chairs.

[Roadrunner7671]

My clock is fast, but this is it!

[gkrieg13]

The day should be over right?

[Roadrunner7671]

Twilight!

[Roadrunner7671]

Twilight lasts a minimum of 4 hours

[ashersky]

Final Day 1 Vote Count:

chairs (1): EFHW
SirMartin (2): Roadrunner7671, gkrieg13
yuma (5): faust, yuma, Haddock, Hydrad, A Drowned Kernel

Not Voting (7): silverspawn, Ampharos, chairs, SirMartin, Witherweaver, 2.7, Limetime

With 14 alive, it took 8 to lynch.

Twilight 1 began at 4:20 p.m. and will last until at least 8:20 p.m.

[ashersky]

Actually, I'll need to cut Twilight short by ~10 minutes.

[ashersky]

yuma has been lynched and has passed away.  He was Lori Grimes, who was a member of The Group.

Night 1 begins now and lasts 48 hours.  Night action orders are due within the next 36 hours (extended due to the weekend).

[ashersky]

This is a final reminder to get all night actions in during the action submission window.

[ashersky]

This is a final reminder to get all night actions in during the action submission window.

Let me expand.  All players need to at least post once in their Role QT during night or risk the same punishments for inactivity in thread during the day.

[ashersky]

Night is ending early, because who cares.

[ashersky]

Rick? Can you hear me?


Hello? Are you Morgan? The man who saved my husband? I'm Lori Grimes, and if you can hear me, you have to join our camp. You brought my family back together, and I cannot express how grateful I am through a radio. We have supplies to go around, and it's safe. You can trust us. I hope I hear from you again, I'll keep this radio on and tell Rick that I heard from you.

But it's safe. I promise.


How do I know I can trust you? I don't know who you are! Find Rick for me, please...

Hello? Hello?

[ashersky]

During the night...

chairs died from a bullet to the head.  He was Dale Horvath, the Self-Righteous Pacifist, a member of the Group.

Haddock died from his head being cut off.  He was Carl Grimes, the Guilty Kid, an Other.

Limetime was modkilled by having his brain smashed completely.  He was Maggie Greene, the Smitten Farmhand, a member of the Group.

Silverspawn has committed suicide by shooting himself in the head.  He was Glenn Rhee, the Smitten Supply Runner, a member of the Group.

[ashersky]

Dawn 2 Status:

Not Voting (9): Ampharos, SirMartin, Witherweaver, 2.7, EFHW, Roadrunner7671, gkrieg13, Faust, Yuma, Hydrad, A Drowned Kernel

With 9 alive, it will take 5 to lynch.

Dawn 2 begins now and will last at least 4 hours.

A stillness comes over all of you.  Living players may choose to skip the next day and go directly to Twilight.  Living players must mark their preference in their Role QT before the end of Dawn.

[ashersky]

Sorry for the delay.

Day will start momentarily.

[ashersky]

During the dawn...

yuma was brutally executed by a shot in the head.  He was the Pregnant Lori Grimes, and he used to be a member of the Group. He was a Walker.

You see her dead body laying on the ground, but it appears to be moving.  No, what is that, in the blood?  Can it be?

Judith did not die.

Day 2 begins now.

[ashersky]

Vote Count 2.0:

Not Voting (9): Ampharos, SirMartin, Witherweaver, 2.7, EFHW, Roadrunner7671, gkrieg13, Faust, Yuma, Hydrad, A Drowned Kernel

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Day 2 ends on April 8 at 2:05 a.m.

[Hydrad]

excuse me? we lost almost like half the people. that is ridiculous.

also so yuma has died twice but is still alive?

[Roadrunner7671]

Everyone is dead. And there are nine alive, but there are 11 players who can post in the thread.

[Ampharos]

Who besides Yuma is dead?  There are 11 people in the not voting list.

[faust]

Hi everyone

[Ampharos]

Also, is Carl being an "other" indicative of which other characters might also be others?

[Roadrunner7671]

Also, is Carl being an "other" indicative of which other characters might also be others?

That's a good question. Michonne hasn't joined the group as of season two.

[2.71828.....]

Sorry, super busy IRL, won't be able to post much this week at all (see V/LA thread).  I will continue to check in and stuff, and if you have questions for me ask, but I won't be around all that much.

What I will say is that my power is investigative and works similarly to patrolling in that I am allowed to decide to "go on patrol" each day and lose my vote to boost my investigative powers at night.  Unfortunately, not very useful from last night since everyone decided to up and die overnight....

[Roadrunner7671]

On the note of everyone dying, why did SS die? It seems unfair to punish someone else for a player's inactivity...

[Roadrunner7671]

Haddock died from his head being cut off.

Also, only Michonne would've cut someone's head off, right?

[Ampharos]

So Yuma was killed, became a walker, and then was killed again. 

Is this standard or only because he was bitten? 

[Roadrunner7671]

So Yuma was killed, became a walker, and then was killed again. 

Is this standard or only because he was bitten?

Yes.

[Roadrunner7671]

Oh yeah, I received a comic book last night. I assumed it was courtesy of Carl, so it might have a negative effect on me.

[EFHW]

Can walkers talk on radios?

[Roadrunner7671]

Can walkers talk on radios?

No.

[EFHW]

Haddock died from his head being cut off.

Also, only Michonne would've cut someone's head off, right?

Who is Michonne?

[Roadrunner7671]

Haddock died from his head being cut off.

Also, only Michonne would've cut someone's head off, right?

Who is Michonne?

crazy lady with a dark past and a katana who saved Andrea (another character) when the farm became overrun. At this point in time she would not be a part of the group and could potentially be dangerous.

[yuma]

I don't know why you think 1 isn't a possibility.

Because I don't think a baby could conceivably be a full member of the town.

[yuma]

[yuma]

[gkrieg13]

Wow that was an eventful night. I don't think committing suicide has anything to do with inactivity.

[Witherweaver]

So Walkers are Mafia?

[Witherweaver]

On the note of everyone dying, why did SS die? It seems unfair to punish someone else for a player's inactivity...

I assume he and Limetime were lovers:

Limetime was modkilled by having his brain smashed completely.  He was Maggie Greene, the Smitten Farmhand, a member of the Group.

Silverspawn has committed suicide by shooting himself in the head.  He was Glenn Rhee, the Smitten Supply Runner, a member of the Group.

[gkrieg13]

So it does look like walkers are mafia

[ashersky]

Vote Count 2.1:

Not Voting (9): Ampharos, SirMartin, Witherweaver, 2.7, EFHW, Roadrunner7671, gkrieg13, Faust, Yuma, Hydrad, A Drowned Kernel

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Day 2 ends on April 8 at 2:05 a.m.

[gkrieg13]

Does anyone want to claim being bit?

[Witherweaver]

I am bite free.

[Ampharos]

My skin is intact, as far as I can tell.

[Roadrunner7671]

Pop quiz: If Walkers are Mafia then what was Carl?

[Ampharos]

Pop quiz: If Walkers are Mafia then what was Carl?

C

[Roadrunner7671]

Question two: If Walkers are Mafia how did Dale die?

[SirMartin]

I don't seem to be bitten.

[A Drowned Kernel]

What are others in the flavor? Haddock was apparently not town

[Witherweaver]

What are others in the flavor? Haddock was apparently not town

I can't think of much flavor wise.  Maybe it's just a rival group.  What does blue usually indicate?

[gkrieg13]

What are others in the flavor? Haddock was apparently not town

I can't think of much flavor wise.  Maybe it's just a rival group.  What does blue usually indicate?

Usually indicates survivor?  Or it could also be SK

[Roadrunner7671]

All that matters is that he wasn't part of the group, so he could've been a threat. But he's not a threat anymore.

[Witherweaver]

Rick? Can you hear me?


Hello? Are you Morgan? The man who saved my husband? I'm Lori Grimes, and if you can hear me, you have to join our camp. You brought my family back together, and I cannot express how grateful I am through a radio. We have supplies to go around, and it's safe. You can trust us. I hope I hear from you again, I'll keep this radio on and tell Rick that I heard from you.

But it's safe. I promise.


How do I know I can trust you? I don't know who you are! Find Rick for me, please...

Hello? Hello?

So how did this happen after Yuma was lynched?

[gkrieg13]

I also have not been bit.  It seems to me that at least one person has been bit, which is why they aren't alive.  I wanted to know if they get flavor that is indicative of them becoming not part of the group.  Yuma obviously wouldn't have gotten it because he was something different.

[faust]

I was planning on keeping out of the game for a bit because I got quite upset at the end of the last day. But, who am I kidding, I can't keep my mouth shut anyway.

So, let's clear up a few things first. One, I killed Walker!yuma. He was dead, because it is the nature of my role that I can only shoot dead players. I therefore do not think that the walkers are the mafia here. Two, you still should not vote for me.

[gkrieg13]

So I don't feel like chairs was the NK, it seems more likely that Haddock was the NK

[Witherweaver]

So I don't feel like chairs was the NK, it seems more likely that Haddock was the NK

You think Mafia beheads?

[faust]

Let's take a moment to consider night kills. They are highly weird. chairs was like the scummiest guy D1, Haddock was considered townie, but flipped scum. Did a vig kill Haddock? But nobody seemed to think he was scum. Did the "Others" kill chairs? But why? What does it all mean? Sadly, I don't know.

PPE: But Haddock is part of the scum team (at least that is my working assumption)

[faust]

Also, is Carl being an "other" indicative of which other characters might also be others?

I highly doubt that. Most likely it was randomized.

[Roadrunner7671]

Shane!

[faust]

Sorry, super busy IRL, won't be able to post much this week at all (see V/LA thread).  I will continue to check in and stuff, and if you have questions for me ask, but I won't be around all that much.

What I will say is that my power is investigative and works similarly to patrolling in that I am allowed to decide to "go on patrol" each day and lose my vote to boost my investigative powers at night.  Unfortunately, not very useful from last night since everyone decided to up and die overnight....

I really don't like this post. Like why tell us this if you have no result? Vote: e

[faust]

Shane!

You called?

[gkrieg13]

Sorry, super busy IRL, won't be able to post much this week at all (see V/LA thread).  I will continue to check in and stuff, and if you have questions for me ask, but I won't be around all that much.

What I will say is that my power is investigative and works similarly to patrolling in that I am allowed to decide to "go on patrol" each day and lose my vote to boost my investigative powers at night.  Unfortunately, not very useful from last night since everyone decided to up and die overnight....

I really don't like this post. Like why tell us this if you have no result? Vote: e

My guess is that he is one of the people that isn't "alive" at this point for voting.

[faust]

Haddock died from his head being cut off.

Also, only Michonne would've cut someone's head off, right?

Good point. I really like RR in this game. Every game should have some flavor for him to analyze.

[gkrieg13]

So I don't feel like chairs was the NK, it seems more likely that Haddock was the NK

You think Mafia beheads?

I just don't think mafia kills chairs.  Also it sounds like the person that beheads is a bad person in the TV show.  I don't know flavor though...

[faust]

Sorry, super busy IRL, won't be able to post much this week at all (see V/LA thread).  I will continue to check in and stuff, and if you have questions for me ask, but I won't be around all that much.

What I will say is that my power is investigative and works similarly to patrolling in that I am allowed to decide to "go on patrol" each day and lose my vote to boost my investigative powers at night.  Unfortunately, not very useful from last night since everyone decided to up and die overnight....

I really don't like this post. Like why tell us this if you have no result? Vote: e

My guess is that he is one of the people that isn't "alive" at this point for voting.

Yeah... but the same thing was the case last day, and then he didn't claim. What changed?

[gkrieg13]

Sorry, super busy IRL, won't be able to post much this week at all (see V/LA thread).  I will continue to check in and stuff, and if you have questions for me ask, but I won't be around all that much.

What I will say is that my power is investigative and works similarly to patrolling in that I am allowed to decide to "go on patrol" each day and lose my vote to boost my investigative powers at night.  Unfortunately, not very useful from last night since everyone decided to up and die overnight....

I really don't like this post. Like why tell us this if you have no result? Vote: e

My guess is that he is one of the people that isn't "alive" at this point for voting.

Yeah... but the same thing was the case last day, and then he didn't claim. What changed?

I guess that is a good point.  My guess is he investigated chairs?  I guess it doesn't matter with no result.

[faust]

Question two: If Walkers are Mafia how did Dale die?

Another good observation, and helping my theory that walkers are not the mafia.

[Roadrunner7671]

Shane!

You called?

He's an other/SK!

[faust]

What are others in the flavor? Haddock was apparently not town

I can't think of much flavor wise.  Maybe it's just a rival group.  What does blue usually indicate?

Usually indicates survivor?  Or it could also be SK

Nah... Survivors are grey, SKs are purple. Also "an Other" strongly indicates that there are more of them.

[faust]

Shane!

You called?

He's an other/SK!

No, I'm town.

[Roadrunner7671]

Question two: If Walkers are Mafia how did Dale die?

Another good observation, and helping my theory that walkers are not the mafia.

Walkers aren't Mafia.

[Roadrunner7671]

Shane!

You called?

He's an other/SK!

No, I'm town.

Vote

[Witherweaver]

Question two: If Walkers are Mafia how did Dale die?

Another good observation, and helping my theory that walkers are not the mafia.

So the red color is a .. red herring?

[faust]

Rick? Can you hear me?


Hello? Are you Morgan? The man who saved my husband? I'm Lori Grimes, and if you can hear me, you have to join our camp. You brought my family back together, and I cannot express how grateful I am through a radio. We have supplies to go around, and it's safe. You can trust us. I hope I hear from you again, I'll keep this radio on and tell Rick that I heard from you.

But it's safe. I promise.


How do I know I can trust you? I don't know who you are! Find Rick for me, please...

Hello? Hello?

So how did this happen after Yuma was lynched?

I think it's the "Others" misleading Morgan.

[faust]

Question two: If Walkers are Mafia how did Dale die?

Another good observation, and helping my theory that walkers are not the mafia.

So the red color is a .. red herring?

So it would seem.

[gkrieg13]

What are others in the flavor? Haddock was apparently not town

I can't think of much flavor wise.  Maybe it's just a rival group.  What does blue usually indicate?

Usually indicates survivor?  Or it could also be SK

Nah... Survivors are grey, SKs are purple. Also "an Other" strongly indicates that there are more of them.

This isn't necessarily true.  But I agree with it.  Although why aren't they red if they are mafia?  Other than green being town, I can't think of a more consistent color choice.

PPEs

[gkrieg13]

So we should probably talk about Day actions.

[Roadrunner7671]

Rick? Can you hear me?


Hello? Are you Morgan? The man who saved my husband? I'm Lori Grimes, and if you can hear me, you have to join our camp. You brought my family back together, and I cannot express how grateful I am through a radio. We have supplies to go around, and it's safe. You can trust us. I hope I hear from you again, I'll keep this radio on and tell Rick that I heard from you.

But it's safe. I promise.


How do I know I can trust you? I don't know who you are! Find Rick for me, please...

Hello? Hello?

So how did this happen after Yuma was lynched?

I think it's the "Others" misleading Morgan.

If it was the others they would've not used a dead person, don't you think?

[faust]

Shane!

You called?

He's an other/SK!

No, I'm town.

Vote

Look, if I was Shane and Shane was scum for flavor reasons, then I would have a fakeclaim and would not claim Shane.

[Witherweaver]

Hmm... I think we need to keep Faust around.

[faust]

If it was the others they would've not used a dead person, don't you think?

What do you think then? Also why not?

[yuma]

I was planning on keeping out of the game for a bit because I got quite upset at the end of the last day. But, who am I kidding, I can't keep my mouth shut anyway.

So, let's clear up a few things first. One, I killed Walker!yuma. He was dead, because it is the nature of my role that I can only shoot dead players. I therefore do not think that the walkers are the mafia here. Two, you still should not vote for me.

[Witherweaver]

Even if Walkers are not Mafia, I think they still count as a threat.  Anyone that dies without brain trauma can be reanimated and attack us.  Maybe they're 'NPCs' or something.

Yuma, is there any insight you can provide?

[EFHW]

Oh yeah, I received a comic book last night. I assumed it was courtesy of Carl, so it might have a negative effect on me.

Any details about the comic book?

[yuma]

Even if Walkers are not Mafia, I think they still count as a threat.  Anyone that dies without brain trauma can be reanimated and attack us.  Maybe they're 'NPCs' or something.

Yuma, is there any insight you can provide?

[gkrieg13]

So can yuma only post memes?  Or is that just what he is choosing to do at the moment?

[faust]

So day actions... being at 9 alive means we need majority lynch, which in turn mean we cannot check the perimeter (that would leave only 6 of us voting... and while it would technically be possible to get a lynch in with these number, I don't want to rely on that).

Loading again seems good. I don't know if we want to try splitting up.

[yuma]

So can yuma only post memes?

[gkrieg13]

Even if Walkers are not Mafia, I think they still count as a threat.  Anyone that dies without brain trauma can be reanimated and attack us.  Maybe they're 'NPCs' or something.

agreed.

[faust]

Even if Walkers are not Mafia, I think they still count as a threat.  Anyone that dies without brain trauma can be reanimated and attack us.  Maybe they're 'NPCs' or something.

Yuma, is there any insight you can provide?

Yes, that is my guess too.

[Witherweaver]

Even if Walkers are not Mafia, I think they still count as a threat.  Anyone that dies without brain trauma can be reanimated and attack us.  Maybe they're 'NPCs' or something.

Yuma, is there any insight you can provide?

I don't even know what this one means.

[Witherweaver]

There were multiple guns fired last night.. is the "lock and load" gun still loaded?

[faust]

So can yuma only post memes?

He only wants to post memes, possibly for the same reason I didn't want to contribute originally.

[gkrieg13]

So can yuma only post memes?

I find this super hard to believe.  But he should have the same alignment, so I guess he is literally an IC.

[gkrieg13]

vote: SirMartin

[faust]

I find this super hard to believe.  But he should have the same alignment, so I guess he is literally an IC.

Well we only have his word that he is the same alignment. Though I have kind of a hard time imagining a murderous baby.

[Roadrunner7671]

Oh yeah, I received a comic book last night. I assumed it was courtesy of Carl, so it might have a negative effect on me.

Any details about the comic book?

No.

[Roadrunner7671]

Shane!

You called?

He's an other/SK!

No, I'm town.

Vote

Look, if I was Shane and Shane was scum for flavor reasons, then I would have a fakeclaim and would not claim Shane.

There's no safe fakeclaim. And it's not thematic for Shane to only kill dead people, he was perfectly happy killing lots and lots of live guys.

[faust]

I will add that it kinda makes a bit of sense for a baby to not be able to "talk" and only post pictures... but posting restrictions seem like such a bastard thing to do, and anyway he could just put literally anything inside a meme and then it would stop being a restriction completely.

[Roadrunner7671]

If it was the others they would've not used a dead person, don't you think?

What do you think then? Also why not?

Because then we would've guessed this.

Maybe Ashersky provides lynch flavor in the form of talking with Morgan or something. Maybe Lori had a venge-radio-thing-similiar-to-a-vengekill.

[faust]

There's no safe fakeclaim.

What does that mean?

And it's not thematic for Shane to only kill dead people, he was perfectly happy killing lots and lots of live guys.

You mean like Rick in seasons 5/6? Do you think Rick is scum too?

[faust]

If it was the others they would've not used a dead person, don't you think?

What do you think then? Also why not?

Because then we would've guessed this.

Well uh in the flavor it's meant to mislead Morgan, not us. And if it was a living player, there's the danger that we would just force them to claim and lynch them.

[faust]

I mean Carl was bad. How can you seriously think that flavor indicates alignment going from there?

[Witherweaver]

All players will receive flavor names.  They are not indicative of alignment.

[faust]

All players will receive flavor names.  They are not indicative of alignment.

Thank you.

[Roadrunner7671]

All players will receive flavor names.  They are not indicative of alignment.

Thank you.

Fine 

[Roadrunner7671]

There's no safe fakeclaim.

What does that mean?

Haddock probably didn't get a fakeclaim, so you wouldn't claim something else as you could easily be counterclaimed.

[EFHW]

So can yuma only post memes?

Love it!  I'm guessing you can't vote, either?  You're a long way from voting age. Unless you can find a meme that says "vote: playername"

[EFHW]

There were multiple guns fired last night.. is the "lock and load" gun still loaded?

yes, I asked ash and he says it stays loaded until fired.

[Witherweaver]

I bet Yuma is having a blast Google searching for memes to match what he wants to say in a given response here. 

[EFHW]

There were multiple guns fired last night.. is the "lock and load" gun still loaded?

yes, I asked ash and he says it stays loaded until fired.

I don't think it was used last night - it only fires with majority vote from us.

[Witherweaver]

There were multiple guns fired last night.. is the "lock and load" gun still loaded?

yes, I asked ash and he says it stays loaded until fired.

Right, my point was, it could have been one of the guns that was used. 

PPE: I asked to be sure

[EFHW]

I will add that it kinda makes a bit of sense for a baby to not be able to "talk" and only post pictures...

This reminds me of the baby in A Series of Unfortunate Events.  She said the most profound things in just single words.

[EFHW]

Even if Walkers are not Mafia, I think they still count as a threat.  Anyone that dies without brain trauma can be reanimated and attack us.  Maybe they're 'NPCs' or something.

Yuma, is there any insight you can provide?

I don't even know what this one means.

Maybe he'll grow up really fast, and tomorrow he will have learned to talk.

[EFHW]

On the note of everyone dying, why did SS die? It seems unfair to punish someone else for a player's inactivity...

I assume he and Limetime were lovers:

Limetime was modkilled by having his brain smashed completely.  He was Maggie Greene, the Smitten Farmhand, a member of the Group.

Silverspawn has committed suicide by shooting himself in the head.  He was Glenn Rhee, the Smitten Supply Runner, a member of the Group.

Good catch, but crappy for town.  Why modkilled instead of replaced?

[Roadrunner7671]

Ash didn't answer in my personal QT.

[EFHW]

Sorry, super busy IRL, won't be able to post much this week at all (see V/LA thread).  I will continue to check in and stuff, and if you have questions for me ask, but I won't be around all that much.

What I will say is that my power is investigative and works similarly to patrolling in that I am allowed to decide to "go on patrol" each day and lose my vote to boost my investigative powers at night.  Unfortunately, not very useful from last night since everyone decided to up and die overnight....

This still doesn't explain why you are not alive.  The people who checked the perimeter were still counted among the alive players.

[EFHW]

So do we want to check the perimeter today?  Or split up?  There was talk Day 1 of splitting up today to see if there were hidden consequences to that.

[Witherweaver]

Sorry, super busy IRL, won't be able to post much this week at all (see V/LA thread).  I will continue to check in and stuff, and if you have questions for me ask, but I won't be around all that much.

What I will say is that my power is investigative and works similarly to patrolling in that I am allowed to decide to "go on patrol" each day and lose my vote to boost my investigative powers at night.  Unfortunately, not very useful from last night since everyone decided to up and die overnight....

This still doesn't explain why you are not alive.  The people who checked the perimeter were still counted among the alive players.

Hmm.. how is vote count handled usually when someone loses their vote?

[EFHW]

Sorry, super busy IRL, won't be able to post much this week at all (see V/LA thread).  I will continue to check in and stuff, and if you have questions for me ask, but I won't be around all that much.

What I will say is that my power is investigative and works similarly to patrolling in that I am allowed to decide to "go on patrol" each day and lose my vote to boost my investigative powers at night.  Unfortunately, not very useful from last night since everyone decided to up and die overnight....

This still doesn't explain why you are not alive.  The people who checked the perimeter were still counted among the alive players.

Hmm.. how is vote count handled usually when someone loses their vote?

Day 1, the number needed to majority lynch did not change when people lost their votes.

[Witherweaver]

So there are 11 people listed but only 9 'alive'.  Yuma could be one if he's just like a tree stump.  e could be the other.

We can test by having everyone vote for someone (other than Faust) and see what happens to the count?

[Ampharos]

1. gk feels town after his wanting to talk about day actions post
2. faust does not feel as town as he did before, but if he can kill zombies, that's cool
3. anyone have any idea what "vet" means?
4. If people are getting bit even when we check the perimeter, what good is that?

[gkrieg13]

3. anyone have any idea what "vet" means?

yep

[gkrieg13]

I would vote to lock and split up.  I don't think there is a reason to CtP today.

[EFHW]

I would vote to lock and split up.  I don't think there is a reason to CtP today.

If we don't have a target, we should load again, so we can shoot both Day 3 and Day 4.

[EFHW]

4. If people are getting bit even when we check the perimeter, what good is that?

My question as well.  How did yuma get bit?

[gkrieg13]

I agree with load and split up

[faust]

Why splitting up though? I think the main reason right now is "because we should try it". That's not very compelling.

[faust]

Good catch, but crappy for town.  Why modkilled instead of replaced?

Most likely there was no suitable replacement.

[gkrieg13]

Oh I guess we don't have to CtP or split up.

As for split up, I think the only positive thing about it is we could potentially stop scum from talking in their QT if they weren't together in the same group, which could be very useful.

[EFHW]

Oh I guess we don't have to CtP or split up.

As for split up, I think the only positive thing about it is we could potentially stop scum from talking in their QT if they weren't together in the same group, which could be very useful.

I think we should split up.  It is partial protection, at least.  CtP is too crushing of in-thread interaction.

[yuma]

So can yuma only post memes?

He only wants to post memes, possibly for the same reason I didn't want to contribute originally.

[EFHW]

Actually, it would help if we understood how people get bitten.  We don't know the chances of someone being bitten if a zombie comes by.  If that's 100%, there is no point in splitting up, someone will be bitten no matter what.  If everyone without shelter has an independent chance of being bitten, then it's worth splitting up.

[yuma]

but posting restrictions seem like such a bastard thing to do

and anyway he could just put literally anything inside a meme and then it would stop being a restriction completely.

[yuma]

I bet Yuma is having a blast Google searching for memes to match what he wants to say in a given response here.

[Witherweaver]

What do people think of my testing voting abilities plan?

[Witherweaver]

Vote Count 1.1:

Hydrad (1): Witherweaver
Haddock (2): silverspawn, A Drowned Kernel
chairs (1): faust
yuma (1): Roadrunner7671

Not Voting (9): yuma, 2.7, gkrieg13, EFHW, Hydrad, Limetime, Ampharos, chairs, SirMartin, Haddock

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

Day 1 ends on March 26 at 4:20 p.m. forum time.

Oh actually, someone wasn't counted for yesterday, too.  Could have been e as well.

[gkrieg13]

Vote Count 1.1:

Hydrad (1): Witherweaver
Haddock (2): silverspawn, A Drowned Kernel
chairs (1): faust
yuma (1): Roadrunner7671

Not Voting (9): yuma, 2.7, gkrieg13, EFHW, Hydrad, Limetime, Ampharos, chairs, SirMartin, Haddock

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

Day 1 ends on March 26 at 4:20 p.m. forum time.

Oh actually, someone wasn't counted for yesterday, too.  Could have been e as well.

I think it was e, but we have another that doesn't count today

[yuma]

4. If people are getting bit even when we check the perimeter, what good is that?

My question as well.  How did yuma get bit?

[Witherweaver]

Vote Count 1.1:

Hydrad (1): Witherweaver
Haddock (2): silverspawn, A Drowned Kernel
chairs (1): faust
yuma (1): Roadrunner7671

Not Voting (9): yuma, 2.7, gkrieg13, EFHW, Hydrad, Limetime, Ampharos, chairs, SirMartin, Haddock

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

Day 1 ends on March 26 at 4:20 p.m. forum time.

Oh actually, someone wasn't counted for yesterday, too.  Could have been e as well.

I think it was e, but we have another that doesn't count today

That would make sense as Yuma. 

[yuma]

What do people think of my testing voting abilities plan?

[Hydrad]

sure ill test voting.

vote: ww

but i feel like i should exists?

[ashersky]

Vote Count 2.2:

2.7 (1): Faust
SirMartin (1): gkrieg13
Witherweaver (1): Hydrad

Not Voting (6): Ampharos, SirMartin, Witherweaver, 2.7, EFHW, Roadrunner7671, Yuma, A Drowned Kernel

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Day 2 ends on April 8 at 2:05 a.m.

[gkrieg13]

So as of right now, I don't think e is scum.  I think it is just too obvious for him to not be alive that it can't be a sign that he is mafia.

[EFHW]

What do people think of my testing voting abilities plan?

Seems unnecessary and thread cluttering. yuma already said he can't vote.

[yuma]

What do people think of my testing voting abilities plan?

Seems unnecessary and thread cluttering. yuma already said he can't vote.

[yuma]

[Roadrunner7671]

Can you only post memes or are they photos of any kind?

[yuma]

Can you only post memes or are they photos of any kind?

[img width=http://www.cherwell.org/library/image/thumb/parrot-colour_4005.jpg][/img]

[yuma]

Can you only post memes or are they photos of any kind?

[Roadrunner7671]

Is there a word/character limit on each meme/photo?

[yuma]

Can you only post memes or are they photos of any kind?

2. you die and come back a treestump (or equivalent).

[Roadrunner7671]

Can you only post memes or are they photos of any kind?

2. you die and come back a treestump (or equivalent).

If you're capable of posting things other than memes please do so.

[yuma]

Is there a word/character limit on each meme/photo?

[Roadrunner7671]

Vote: Yuma
This is silly

[2.71828.....]

I think this is actually hilarious. I love it.

[ashersky]

The day action window has opened and will close in 24 hours.

Day actions may be submitted and Group abilities may be triggered.

Note on "Lock": Post Lock: Playername in the game thread.  Vote counts include all players still in the game.  If a majority of living players Lock on a zombie, the gun will shoot.

[A Drowned Kernel]

So there are 11 people listed but only 9 'alive'.  Yuma could be one if he's just like a tree stump.  e could be the other.

We can test by having everyone vote for someone (other than Faust) and see what happens to the count?

I'm down with that. vote: EFHW, also I don't actually mind my vote here.

[ashersky]

Vote Count 2.3:

2.7 (1): Faust
SirMartin (1): gkrieg13
Witherweaver (1): Hydrad
yuma (1): Roadrunner7671
EFHW (1): ADK

Not Voting (4): Ampharos, SirMartin, Witherweaver, 2.7, EFHW, Yuma

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Day 2 ends on April 8 at 2:05 a.m.

[Ampharos]

Okay, I'll play along with the "vote for everyone" game...

Vote: Hydrad

Also, we should lock e, correct?  Assuming he's a zombie? Orrrrrr?

[Witherweaver]

Vote: Ampharos

[Witherweaver]

Okay, I'll play along with the "vote for everyone" game...

Vote: Hydrad

Also, we should lock e, correct?  Assuming he's a zombie? Orrrrrr?

I'm not sure about this really.  I don't think he was included as "alive" to vote yesterday, either.

[2.71828.....]

I think if we should lock on anyone it would be yuma. I am interested to see if he grows up out of the memes though.

And I can tell you right now my vote won't count

Vote: Ampharos

[Ampharos]

I've already got a vote on me

[Witherweaver]

I've already got a vote on me

Feelin' the pressure!

[Ampharos]

Totes. 

[2.71828.....]

Oh yeah. Vote: hydrad then

[2.71828.....]

Oh yeah. Vote: hydrad then

Crap, you voted for him.

Vote: gkrieg

[faust]

I'll have some rereading to do. Specifically chairs and Haddock interactions.

[gkrieg13]

I guess looking at haddock would be good

[faust]

Note: In M31 (codesigned by ashersky), there was an SK who could only kill players that reached a certain number of votes the previous day. Something like that could be the explanation for that kill.

[faust]

Comprehensive D1 reread.

Haddock stuff:

Haddock starts out RVSing EFHW. silverspawn votes him for this. ADK joins in. Some setup and Day action stuff. gkrieg agrees with ADK's (very early) vote for Haddock. Haddock frames RR. Haddock makes a reads list. Summary:
- town reads: me, yuma, e, SirMartin
- scum reads: silver, ADK, RR, WW, chairs
Haddock goes on to vote for ADK. HE also does not want to lynch chairs, yuma, gkrieg, while being okay with e suddenly, and also with EFHW.

EFHW has a town read on Haddock. ADK warns that Haddock is hard to read. Haddock continues to oppose the chairs lynch in favor of ADK. RR and ADK are Haddock's top scumreads, followed by SirMartin. Nobody puts Haddock in their top 3 "would lynch". Haddock continues white knighting chairs. Then switches to SirMartin over ADK. Then Haddock makes a post trying to see if there's support for a yuma lynch, and e calls him out for that. Haddock also votes yuma when the ADK wagon has the same size.

chairs stuff:

I am the first one to vote for him. chairs votes for RR, which leads to a quick sequence of votes by WW, silver, ADK and Hydrad. RR suggests that chairs is town.

After Day action window closes, chairs goes on patrol. Could that be connected to him dying? Maybe, but unlikely.

I make a case on chairs. gkrieg thinks chairs is scummy, but e is scummier. ADK think chairs is scummy. SirMartin singles out chairs as not being active in the patrol QT. EFHW votes for chairs. Hydrad switches from chairs to ADK because he wants a competing wagon. ADK has a convenient scum read on chairs.

[faust]

ADK is stillscummy IMO, but that could be confirmation bias. RR seems very town. Other than that, I don't feel too good about WW, SirMartin, EFHW.

[faust]

Oh and e posted, but did not explain what the claim was good for. I'm leaving my vote there until we get an explanation.

[Roadrunner7671]

Did anyone want to skip the day by the way?

[faust]

Did anyone want to skip the day by the way?

Yeah, that was weird. Why would anyone want to skip a day?

[Roadrunner7671]

Did anyone want to skip the day by the way?

Yeah, that was weird. Why would anyone want to skip a day?

Scum would...

[faust]

Did anyone want to skip the day by the way?

Yeah, that was weird. Why would anyone want to skip a day?

Scum would...

Yeah... but that would only go through if they were the majority... in which case, we are already pretty much screwed.

[Ampharos]

It did make me wonder if there's a role that doesn't like days. 

But really, we're not getting information on who people are when they die, so speculation of that sort is... meh at best.

[Roadrunner7671]

Did anyone want to skip the day by the way?

Yeah, that was weird. Why would anyone want to skip a day?

Scum would...

Yeah... but that would only go through if they were the majority... in which case, we are already pretty much screwed.

Maybe some people who were worried about getting lynched and decided they rather use their night action than get lynched.

[faust]

It did make me wonder if there's a role that doesn't like days. 

But really, we're not getting information on who people are when they die, so speculation of that sort is... meh at best.

You're welcome to discuss other points that you think are more important!

[2.71828.....]

Did anyone want to skip the day by the way?

No.

[Roadrunner7671]

Can we talk about how Lori was in the flavor? Overlooking that seems bad, because flavor matters.

Does everyone get lynch flavor or something? Is this Lori´s role? Is it an Other?

[Ampharos]

It did make me wonder if there's a role that doesn't like days. 

But really, we're not getting information on who people are when they die, so speculation of that sort is... meh at best.

You're welcome to discuss other points that you think are more important!

It was mostly a comment on my own speculation not being of much use

Things that are important to me:

1) Is e a zombie?  If so, we should shoot him.  He's not saying anything about this.
2) Let's not CtP - it did jack for us yesterday.
3) Townies in order of confidence: gk, faust, RR (weak read)
4) Still worried about splitting up - it seems too good to be true and I still think there's a scum role that can take advantage of it.

[A Drowned Kernel]

Load

[Hydrad]

load
split up

[Ampharos]

Man.

Lock: e

[Witherweaver]

Man.

Lock: e

So, like, what's the narrative exactly?

[A Drowned Kernel]

I think you can only give the order "lock" and that shoots a zombie if there is one?

[ashersky]

Vote Count 2.4:

2.7 (1): Faust
SirMartin (1): gkrieg13
Witherweaver (1): Hydrad
yuma (1): Roadrunner7671
EFHW (1): ADK
Hydrad (1): Ampharos
gkrieg13 (0): 2.7


Not Voting (3): SirMartin, Witherweaver, EFHW, Yuma

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 2 ends on April 8 at 2:05 a.m.

No Group Powers were triggered.

[SirMartin]

I think not triggering group powers is fine. We don't really need more bullets, it appears checking the perimeter is unhelpful and makes a lynch unlikely and splitting up is still scary for...some reason?

I guess I'm scummy for it, but I still think we should've split up today.

[A Drowned Kernel]

Boo what happened you guys?

[A Drowned Kernel]

Also e's vote apparently doesn't count. Care to explain?

[Ampharos]

This is why I'm pretty sure he's a zombie.

[yuma]

Boo what happened you guys?

[faust]

Alright. Full disclosure time.

1. I have been bitten. In the back. This is 100% a death sign. For this reason, I'm gonna claim my full role.

I am Shane Walsh, an Ex-Deputy Sheriff. I have three powers:

- as you are already aware, I can execute one dead player each Dawn. This makes me hated, which stacks with each kill. Hence why I didn't want anyone to vote for me. I didn't want to reveal the hated-ness in case we get to some MyLo situation and scum can quickhammer me or something.

- I also have the ability to commit suicide at Dawn. This prevents me from being "lynched" when I would take 0 to lynch.

- I am a Backup for a role with a name similar to mine. I think (and this is speculation) that this role is also a backup for me. I further think for flavor reasons that its flavor name is Rick Grimes, and I believe it's reasonable to assume that he is town.

2. I got a message from a player (whose identity I do not wish to reveal right now, but I am aware of their identity) that basically gives me a Watcher result on myself. Two people targeted me last night: e and Hydrad. Given e's claim, and the fact that he's not "alive", and the fact that I got bitten, I am all but certain that he is scum.

3. There is a third thing I do not wish to reveal just yet. It will become apparent once I am dead.

[faust]

I would commit suicide the following Dawn. I hope that I will not have turned by then, and it gives me time to shoot another zombie.

[faust]

Man.

Lock: e

At this point I have to agree that e is a zombie probably. We can only shoot him the following day, and he can bite someone before then. I don't know what happen if we try to lynch him.

[Roadrunner7671]

Alright. Full disclosure time.

1. I have been bitten. In the back. This is 100% a death sign. For this reason, I'm gonna claim my full role.

I am Shane Walsh, an Ex-Deputy Sheriff. I have three powers:

- as you are already aware, I can execute one dead player each Dawn. This makes me hated, which stacks with each kill. Hence why I didn't want anyone to vote for me. I didn't want to reveal the hated-ness in case we get to some MyLo situation and scum can quickhammer me or something.

- I also have the ability to commit suicide at Dawn. This prevents me from being "lynched" when I would take 0 to lynch.

- I am a Backup for a role with a name similar to mine. I think (and this is speculation) that this role is also a backup for me. I further think for flavor reasons that its flavor name is Rick Grimes, and I believe it's reasonable to assume that he is town.

2. I got a message from a player (whose identity I do not wish to reveal right now, but I am aware of their identity) that basically gives me a Watcher result on myself. Two people targeted me last night: e and Hydrad. Given e's claim, and the fact that he's not "alive", and the fact that I got bitten, I am all but certain that he is scum.

3. There is a third thing I do not wish to reveal just yet. It will become apparent once I am dead.

Not Shane

[Roadrunner7671]

Vote: 2.7

[faust]

Not Shane

Says the guy who wanted to hang me just a couple of hours ago

[faust]

In a way, it's good that I got bitten, since I would have had to kill myself sooner or later anyway.

[Roadrunner7671]

Not Shane

Says the guy who wanted to hang me just a couple of hours ago

But it's sad 

Vote: 2.7

[Roadrunner7671]

In a way, it's good that I got bitten, since I would have had to kill myself sooner or later anyway.

Out of context thread, here we come!

[yuma]

1. I have been bitten.

[Ampharos]

Combining that with what I know, I'm pretty sure our lynch today should fall in here: EFHW, SirMartin, ADK. 

That is assuming that Faust can both kill e and himself tomorrow. 

If not, perhaps he can kill e, turn, and we shoot him. 

We really should have lock-killed e though today... 

[faust]

If not, perhaps he can kill e, turn, and we shoot him. 

I don't think so. Either I am still alive at Dawn, in which case I can use both my actions, or I am not, in which case I can use neither.

[A Drowned Kernel]

So yeah, given all that, vote: e seems good.

[faust]

Combining that with what I know, I'm pretty sure our lynch today should fall in here: EFHW, SirMartin, ADK. 

Is that just reads, or do you know more? Because these just seem like the standard group that has been suspected since D1.

[Ampharos]

Ug.  So basically we have to lynch e today and you tomorrow?

[faust]

Ug.  So basically we have to lynch e today and you tomorrow?

Again, I hope to be able to kill myself.

[faust]

So yeah, given all that, vote: e seems good.

Thank you for believing me.

[Ampharos]

Combining that with what I know, I'm pretty sure our lynch today should fall in here: EFHW, SirMartin, ADK. 

Is that just reads, or do you know more? Because these just seem like the standard group that has been suspected since D1.

Well, I have some extra information that likely clears a couple of others, and absolutely nothing that can vouch for any of those three.  There are a couple people that aren't on this list because I'm reading them very town, though don't have anything to really back that up with.

[faust]

Combining that with what I know, I'm pretty sure our lynch today should fall in here: EFHW, SirMartin, ADK. 

Is that just reads, or do you know more? Because these just seem like the standard group that has been suspected since D1.

Well, I have some extra information that likely clears a couple of others, and absolutely nothing that can vouch for any of those three.  There are a couple people that aren't on this list because I'm reading them very town, though don't have anything to really back that up with.

I mean, ultimately it's up to you... but I don't think such softclaims are much use to us. Either reveal what you know, or at least who the players are that are cleared by what you know, or keep quiet to not let scum know that you are investigative.

[Ampharos]

It's not really that simple...  

Fun times with RMM.

[EFHW]

If e is a walker, then will lynching affect him?  yuma became a walker after being lynched.

[ashersky]

Vote Count 2.5:

2.7 (3): Faust, Roadrunner7671, ADK
SirMartin (1): gkrieg13
Witherweaver (1): Hydrad
Hydrad (1): Ampharos
gkrieg13 (0): 2.7

Not Voting (3): SirMartin, Witherweaver, EFHW, Yuma

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 2 ends on April 8 at 2:05 a.m..

[faust]

If e is a walker, then will lynching affect him?  yuma became a walker after being lynched.

That's what I don't know. I also don't know if e is just a "standard" walker.

[Witherweaver]

Vote: e

is L-1.

[gkrieg13]

I don't like the e lynch at all

[EFHW]

If e is a walker, then will lynching affect him?  yuma became a walker after being lynched.

That's what I don't know. I also don't know if e is just a "standard" walker.

Maybe you could ask ashersky if you would be able to kill him at dawn without lynching him.  That way we could actually have a scumhunting lynch.

[EFHW]

Combining that with what I know, I'm pretty sure our lynch today should fall in here: EFHW, SirMartin, ADK. 

Is that just reads, or do you know more? Because these just seem like the standard group that has been suspected since D1.

Well, I have some extra information that likely clears a couple of others, and absolutely nothing that can vouch for any of those three.  There are a couple people that aren't on this list because I'm reading them very town, though don't have anything to really back that up with.

I mean, ultimately it's up to you... but I don't think such softclaims are much use to us. Either reveal what you know, or at least who the players are that are cleared by what you know, or keep quiet to not let scum know that you are investigative.

I agree with faust here.

[gkrieg13]

Actually just read the thread (I had missed a page with faust saying all that stuff) and I very much support the e lynch.

I would like to hear him claim what he was doing targeting faust.

[EFHW]

Actually just read the thread (I had missed a page with faust saying all that stuff) and I very much support the e lynch.

I would like to hear him claim what he was doing targeting faust.

I don't get it.  We're lynching e for being a walker, but lynching doesn't have any effect on walkers.  Why do you want to waste a lynch?

[Ampharos]

Actually just read the thread (I had missed a page with faust saying all that stuff) and I very much support the e lynch.

I would like to hear him claim what he was doing targeting faust.

I don't get it.  We're lynching e for being a walker, but lynching doesn't have any effect on walkers.  Why do you want to waste a lynch?

Did I miss this point?  I must be forgetting where it was brought up 

[gkrieg13]

Actually just read the thread (I had missed a page with faust saying all that stuff) and I very much support the e lynch.

I would like to hear him claim what he was doing targeting faust.

I don't get it.  We're lynching e for being a walker, but lynching doesn't have any effect on walkers.  Why do you want to waste a lynch?

Well we get a flip. That way we don't waste a bullet.

[A Drowned Kernel]

Actually just read the thread (I had missed a page with faust saying all that stuff) and I very much support the e lynch.

I would like to hear him claim what he was doing targeting faust.

I don't get it.  We're lynching e for being a walker, but lynching doesn't have any effect on walkers.  Why do you want to waste a lynch?

Why do we think lynching doesn't effect wallets?

[EFHW]

Actually just read the thread (I had missed a page with faust saying all that stuff) and I very much support the e lynch.

I would like to hear him claim what he was doing targeting faust.

I don't get it.  We're lynching e for being a walker, but lynching doesn't have any effect on walkers.  Why do you want to waste a lynch?

Why do we think lynching doesn't effect wallets?

yuma was lynched and still became a walker, so his brain was not damaged by the lynch, and that's the only way to kill a walker.

[EFHW]

The only reason to lynch him would be if faust would be unable to kill him at dawn and we would be unable to shoot him ourselves without having a lynch first.

[Witherweaver]

I don't think 'e is a Walker' makes sense, as Walkers can't make decisions.  He could still be somehow responsible for biting, though. 

[gkrieg13]

We expect a claim e!  We expect the truth!

[Ampharos]

Well, it doesn't look like he's alive, he targeted faust last night, and hasn't been playing like his normal self this day, so... all signs point to him being a walker imo.

[Roadrunner7671]

E you have to claim

[Ampharos]

We also have to be quicker on the draw tomorrow and shoot the freaking zombies instead of sitting around like 5th graders allowed to bring their phones on a camping trip.

[2.71828.....]

Well, this doesn't look good. I am not able to formulate a full reply at this point.

Check the v/la thread for why I have not been playing like my normal self.

[2.71828.....]

And yes, no actions is very bad. I mean, we didn't really even talk about it

[Roadrunner7671]

We also have to be quicker on the draw tomorrow and shoot the freaking zombies instead of sitting around like 5th graders allowed to bring their phones on a camping trip.

What 5th grader has a phone?

[SirMartin]

Why can't Faust kill e next Dawn then commit suicide at a later date? That way we can try to lynch someone scummy today.

[Hydrad]

Why can't Faust kill e next Dawn then commit suicide at a later date? That way we can try to lynch someone scummy today.

Because if he's bit he might not make it more then a day

[SirMartin]

Why can't Faust kill e next Dawn then commit suicide at a later date? That way we can try to lynch someone scummy today.

Because if he's bit he might not make it more then a day

We're going to be want to find out though right? It we policy lynch everyone who gets bit we'll just lose.

[faust]

I don't think 'e is a Walker' makes sense, as Walkers can't make decisions.  He could still be somehow responsible for biting, though.

WW is talking the sense.

[faust]

Why can't Faust kill e next Dawn then commit suicide at a later date? That way we can try to lynch someone scummy today.

Because if he's bit he might not make it more then a day

We're going to be want to find out though right? It we policy lynch everyone who gets bit we'll just lose.

Have you followed? Noone is trying to lynch me.

[A Drowned Kernel]

Faust do you have info on where you were bitten?

[Hydrad]

Faust do you have info on where you were bitten?

The bak I think. Easy lets chop his bak off

[A Drowned Kernel]

Oh yeah that's bad.

[EFHW]

Maybe he got to choose people at the start of the game. We don't know if he is making decisions now. Seriously,  I think this is a waste of a lynch.

[A Drowned Kernel]

Why is lynching someone who can turn people into walkers a waste of a lynch?

[EFHW]

Why is lynching someone who can turn people into walkers a waste of a lynch?

It has no informational value.  vote: ADK

[ashersky]

Vote Count 2.6:

2.7 (4): Faust, Roadrunner7671, ADK, Witherweaver
SirMartin (1): gkrieg13
Witherweaver (1): Hydrad
Hydrad (1): Ampharos
gkrieg13 (0): 2.7
ADK (1): EFHW

Not Voting (1): SirMartin, Yuma

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 2 ends on April 8 at 2:05 a.m..

[faust]

Why is lynching someone who can turn people into walkers a waste of a lynch?

It has no informational value.  vote: ADK

It has err... life-saving value though.

[EFHW]

Why is lynching someone who can turn people into walkers a waste of a lynch?

It has no informational value.  vote: ADK

It has err... life-saving value though.

He's also already not alive, so you can kill him at dawn or we can wirh the gun. Lynching probably won't affect him.

[EFHW]

Why are only 9 alive? yuma should be alive, right?

[faust]

Why is lynching someone who can turn people into walkers a waste of a lynch?

It has no informational value.  vote: ADK

It has err... life-saving value though.

He's also already not alive, so you can kill him at dawn or we can wirh the gun. Lynching probably won't affect him.

Again - how do you know? And if we do manage to lynch him today, then he cannot have someone else bitten.

[Ampharos]

The thought crossed my mind that he is a zombie baby.  But if that's the case, he's not exactly threatening

[A Drowned Kernel]

If you get a guilty result o someone in mafia, you Lynch them. That's what I'm treating this as.

[A Drowned Kernel]

I Iike how none of the people arguing against an e lymch are disputing the claim that he's a walker at all. Nor has he. 

[Witherweaver]

Why are only 9 alive? yuma should be alive, right?

These are different notions of "alive". 

[EFHW]

@yuma - your description of your role implied that you would be alive in a new role. We know you are voteless, but are you in fact alive, like us, or are you in that weird "not alive" category?

[Witherweaver]

I think "With X alive, it takes ceil(X/2) to lynch" is just the standard terminology, and doesn't mean players are not alive with respect to the flavor/mechanic.

It would say the same if we had two tree stumps in a normal game, right?

[EFHW]

The flavor says "Judith did not die."  So we probably do have a "crawler."

[Witherweaver]

The flavor says "Judith did not die."  So we probably do have a "crawler."

I took it to mean Judith was alive as a normal baby. 

[EFHW]

I think "With X alive, it takes ceil(X/2) to lynch" is just the standard terminology, and doesn't mean players are not alive with respect to the flavor/mechanic.

It would say the same if we had two tree stumps in a normal game, right?

There are 11 players, but only 9 alive.  If the two were tree stumps, it would say 11 alive, 6 to lynch.

[Witherweaver]

I think "With X alive, it takes ceil(X/2) to lynch" is just the standard terminology, and doesn't mean players are not alive with respect to the flavor/mechanic.

It would say the same if we had two tree stumps in a normal game, right?

There are 11 players, but only 9 alive.  If the two were tree stumps, it would say 11 alive, 6 to lynch.

Are you sure?  I don't think that's true.

[Ampharos]

Too many flippin' zombies around here drawing all our attention.  Bet scum loves this...

Which is why I'd rather try to scum hunt here.  My guess is zombies don't know who's scum and who's town, so hope they bite a baddie?  I think this game will be over in a couple days anyways at the rate people are dropping. 

[Witherweaver]

Well in other games, stumped players have been left of the vote count entirely, not even listed. 

[EFHW]

The flavor says "Judith did not die."  So we probably do have a "crawler."

I took it to mean Judith was alive as a normal baby.

So did I at first, but now I'm not so sure. The wording seems very carefully chosen.  Not "Judith survived" or "Judith was still alive" or "Judith was born." 

My main point is that lynching does not hurt walkers.  It didn't prevent yuma from becoming a walker, so I really doubt it can kill walkers.  So why is everyone so gung ho on lynching e? 

PPE: I'll check the wiki about tree stumps.

[Witherweaver]

Why do you think  that Yuma was a walker before he got lynched? 

[EFHW]

You are right about the tree stumps not being counted.

I don't think yuma was a walker before he got lynched, but he became one afterwards.  That means the lynch didn't destroy his brain.  Isn't that the only way to kill a walker?  So lynching a walker shouldn't have any effect.

[Witherweaver]

I'm not convinced e is a walker.  I think what happens is people we lynch, whatever alignment they are, become walkers.  Then we need to kill them.  Faust has a role that can do that;  we also have the gun to do that during day action.  If we fail to kill them (the 'second' time), we risk getting bit.

[Witherweaver]

Alright. Full disclosure time.

1. I have been bitten. In the back. This is 100% a death sign. For this reason, I'm gonna claim my full role.

I am Shane Walsh, an Ex-Deputy Sheriff. I have three powers:

- as you are already aware, I can execute one dead player each Dawn. This makes me hated, which stacks with each kill. Hence why I didn't want anyone to vote for me. I didn't want to reveal the hated-ness in case we get to some MyLo situation and scum can quickhammer me or something.

- I also have the ability to commit suicide at Dawn. This prevents me from being "lynched" when I would take 0 to lynch.

- I am a Backup for a role with a name similar to mine. I think (and this is speculation) that this role is also a backup for me. I further think for flavor reasons that its flavor name is Rick Grimes, and I believe it's reasonable to assume that he is town.

2. I got a message from a player (whose identity I do not wish to reveal right now, but I am aware of their identity) that basically gives me a Watcher result on myself. Two people targeted me last night: e and Hydrad. Given e's claim, and the fact that he's not "alive", and the fact that I got bitten, I am all but certain that he is scum.

3. There is a third thing I do not wish to reveal just yet. It will become apparent once I am dead.

Hydrad, you targetted Faust?

Did e ever provide an explanation for what he did to Faust?

[Ampharos]

I see what you're saying EFHW, but when Yuma was alive as a human, we lynched him, killing his humanness.  To me, a lynch is a kill, so if we lynch a zombie we will naturally kill the zombie the in only way we can.

That said, I still would rather go somewhere else.

PPE: How'd someone get bit in the first place?   We're focusing too much on zombies here instead of trying to find scum.  But I'm starting to sound like a broken record.

[Witherweaver]

I see what you're saying EFHW, but when Yuma was alive as a human, we lynched him, killing his humanness.  To me, a lynch is a kill, so if we lynch a zombie we will naturally kill the zombie the in only way we can.

That said, I still would rather go somewhere else.

PPE: How'd someone get bit in the first place?   We're focusing too much on zombies here instead of trying to find scum.  But I'm starting to sound like a broken record.

My guess is that scum has the ability to cause bites.. maybe by 'hiding' a walker somewhere as an ambush or something.  Walkers have been used offensively in the book/show.  Also similar to Dune Mafia, where scum had the ability to damage stillsuits.  e's role could be something like he gives up his vote for the day to cause a player to get bitten.

[Witherweaver]

Understanding the mechanics is probably important in this game, because making bad assumptions could end up screwing us over. 

[yuma]

@yuma - your description of your role implied that you would be alive in a new role. We know you are voteless, but are you in fact alive, like us, or are you in that weird "not alive" category?

[EFHW]

I'm not convinced e is a walker.  I think what happens is people we lynch, whatever alignment they are, become walkers.  Then we need to kill them.  Faust has a role that can do that;  we also have the gun to do that during day action.  If we fail to kill them (the 'second' time), we risk getting bit.

Why lynch him if you don't think he bit faust and yuma?

[EFHW]

I admit, there is a risk that I am making incorrect assumptions.

[Witherweaver]

I see what you're saying EFHW, but when Yuma was alive as a human, we lynched him, killing his humanness.  To me, a lynch is a kill, so if we lynch a zombie we will naturally kill the zombie the in only way we can.

That said, I still would rather go somewhere else.

PPE: How'd someone get bit in the first place?   We're focusing too much on zombies here instead of trying to find scum.  But I'm starting to sound like a broken record.

My guess is that scum has the ability to cause bites.. maybe by 'hiding' a walker somewhere as an ambush or something.  Walkers have been used offensively in the book/show.  Also similar to Dune Mafia, where scum had the ability to damage stillsuits.  e's role could be something like he gives up his vote for the day to cause a player to get bitten.

[Witherweaver]

It could have been Hydrad, too.

[EFHW]

It could have been Hydrad, too.

Right, so why is everyone focused on e?  Are there other indications pointing to him that I have forgotten?
But Hydrad can vote and is alive, e and yuma can't vote and I think neither is alive, though yuma says differently.

[Witherweaver]

It could have been Hydrad, too.

Right, so why is everyone focused on e?  Are there other indications pointing to him that I have forgotten?
But Hydrad can vote and is alive, e and yuma can't vote and I think neither is alive, though yuma says differently.

Well, he can't vote, and

Sorry, super busy IRL, won't be able to post much this week at all (see V/LA thread).  I will continue to check in and stuff, and if you have questions for me ask, but I won't be around all that much.

What I will say is that my power is investigative and works similarly to patrolling in that I am allowed to decide to "go on patrol" each day and lose my vote to boost my investigative powers at night.  Unfortunately, not very useful from last night since everyone decided to up and die overnight....

If his role involves giving up his vote to do something, he needs to provide some explanation for this, since it's public.  His post here implies he investigated someone that died, but Faust says he was targetted by e. 

Also, this came out immediately in Day 2 with no prompting or pressure.

[EFHW]

Understanding the mechanics is probably important in this game, because making bad assumptions could end up screwing us over.

It sounds like you are saying my plan to deal with e later is too risky?

[Ampharos]

I think it's worth noting I'm getting big scum vibes from EFHW through this whole thing.

Not because of the effort you're putting in (which is appreciated), but more the way you're going about it.  I can't quite put my finger on it but I want this on the record.  There is always the possibility that it's because we have never played in the same game before 

[Roadrunner7671]

I'm getting scummy vibes from EFHW as well.

[EFHW]

I see what you're saying EFHW, but when Yuma was alive as a human, we lynched him, killing his humanness.  To me, a lynch is a kill, so if we lynch a zombie we will naturally kill the zombie the in only way we can.

That said, I still would rather go somewhere else.

PPE: How'd someone get bit in the first place?   We're focusing too much on zombies here instead of trying to find scum.  But I'm starting to sound like a broken record.

At least I am trying to work out a plan based on the available information.  This post of yours is very misleading, b/c it suggests a lynch will kill a zombie, and it WON'T, and we should know it won't from what happened with yuma.  So why are you encouraging people to think that it will?

The only point of debate here should be whether e is a zombie or not.  I think he is and don't want to waste a second lynch (we already wasted the first).  People who don't think he is a zombie, b/c he seems to be taking actions and making decisions, want to lynch him.  That is a reasonable position.  You are saying he IS a zombie AND we should lynch him. That doesn't make sense and muddles the situation rather than clarifying.

[EFHW]

faust - will your method of suicide destroy your brain?

[Ampharos]

Unless you've got information the rest of us aren't privy to, how do you know zombies won't die from a lynch?  We've never explored that territory.  I feel as though you're getting caught up on assumptions, something Ash specifically encouraged us not to do

Additionally, whether intentional or not, you're putting words in my mouth by saying I want people to lynch him.  If I wanted e lynched I would have voted him already.  The quote you quoted me in even said I'd rather vote elsewhere...

So, I suppose I'll make good on it... 

Vote: EFHW

[faust]

faust - will your method of suicide destroy your brain?

I will shoot myself in head, so I strongly think so.

[Witherweaver]

faust - will your method of suicide destroy your brain?

I will shoot myself in head, so I strongly think so.

Hey, Carl got shot in the head, and he's doing alright.

[SirMartin]

A lot of PPEs, but why lynch 2.7 if Faust can just kill him next dawn?

[Ampharos]

A lot of PPEs, but why lynch 2.7 if Faust can just kill him next dawn?

I think the general idea is that faust would then become a zombie and we'd be back at square 0.  The gamble on lynching e is that if it does kill zombie him, we might be zombie free after faust's suicide. 

However, I'm thinking there's a good chance we'll have more zombies since we didn't check the perimeter, and who knows if there are other zombies here (aka why we have 2 more people than are alive). 

[EFHW]

I'll say it one more time. If lynches killed zombies they would also have prevented yuma from becoming a zombie.  If there is some wrinkle I don't know about, tell me now, because this seems completely logical to me.  If that's incorrect then ashersky isn't being true to the flavor so far as I understand it.

I'm not putting words in your mouth, you just said contradictory things in the same post and didn't show any inclination until now of following through with the second half.  You don't say why you wanted to look elsewhere. I considered voting you at the time, but marked it down to inexperience, and I'm more interested in voting someone on the e wagon. But I have to say, I'm really not a fan of being accused based on "vibes".

PPE: 4

[EFHW]

A lot of PPEs, but why lynch 2.7 if Faust can just kill him next dawn?

I think the general idea is that faust would then become a zombie and we'd be back at square 0.  The gamble on lynching e is that if it does kill zombie him, we might be zombie free after faust's suicide. 

However, I'm thinking there's a good chance we'll have more zombies since we didn't check the perimeter, and who knows if there are other zombies here (aka why we have 2 more people than are alive).

There is the risk that faust will become a zombie before he can kill e or himself (or yuma, since I think he could well be a zombie, too) but I don't think there is anything we can do about that through lynching.  We should have shot e this morning.

[EFHW]

faust can both kill and suicide.

[Hydrad]

OK but if e really is a walker. What even is his win condition?

Yuma did you get any info on walkers while you were one for a bit?

If you did can you reply with a success baby meme I guess? If we are allowed to do that

[A Drowned Kernel]

I'm still waiting on some sort of explanation from e. Not that I'm hopeful.

[Hydrad]

I'm fine with going on e though.

do I have to say intent to hammer for e to claim?

[2.71828.....]

I'm still waiting on some sort of explanation from e. Not that I'm hopeful.

What explanation do you want? I bit faust? Because that is just not the case. Redirection is the best explanation I can think of. I mean, I make an easy target since I can't vote.

I investigated silverspawn and Haddock, recieved that silverspawn was in the group and haddock was not. I get results as "in the group" or "not in the group"

I can't explain the result that I targeted faust.

[2.71828.....]

Double investigation if I give up my ability to vote. No investigation if I am able to vote.

[EFHW]

Why aren't you counted as alive?

[faust]

I'm still waiting on some sort of explanation from e. Not that I'm hopeful.

What explanation do you want? I bit faust? Because that is just not the case. Redirection is the best explanation I can think of. I mean, I make an easy target since I can't vote.

I investigated silverspawn and Haddock, recieved that silverspawn was in the group and haddock was not. I get results as "in the group" or "not in the group"

I can't explain the result that I targeted faust.

So why are you not voting for Hydrad?

[faust]

Also e, you still didn't answer why you felt the need to claim.

[A Drowned Kernel]

So do you think Hydrad bit faust?

[A Drowned Kernel]

Also do you have an explanation as to why you are not "alive"?

[Hydrad]

Wait could I have missed something. E is still alive right? He just can't vote?

[A Drowned Kernel]

[/color]With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 2 ends on April 8 at 2:05 a.m..

It says "9 alive." I assume that Yuma and e are the missing people.

[Ampharos]

I haven't seen anything to refute that thinking.

[Hydrad]

hmm i guess i just thought that was because he couldn't vote.

[A Drowned Kernel]

Hello?

[faust]

Well, much has been said on e. Do people have other scumreads? Have people reread D1? Etc. Do some work, guys.

[gkrieg13]

Well did Hydrad target Faust?

[Witherweaver]

Well did Hydrad target Faust?

Yes, this.

[faust]

Well it's arguably not a good thing to just stop all conversation until Hydrad shows up.

[A Drowned Kernel]

Scummy people, IMO, are efhw, sir Martin, slightly amph but he softclaimed results. Faust is towny, gkrieg is slightly towny, hydrad is null.

[Hydrad]

At work. But TA I targeted Faust. But no I didn't bite him

[2.71828.....]

I am still alive, I can't vote and am basically useless during the day.

However, I can try to help keep the game moving forward.  I haven't been around much this week at all, and tomorrow will be super bad for e because of work, but we can't let this game slip by like we let the day action window slip by

[Witherweaver]

Vote: e

[ashersky]

Vote Count 2.7:

2.7 (4): Faust, Roadrunner7671, ADK, Witherweaver
SirMartin (1): gkrieg13
Witherweaver (1): Hydrad
EFHW (1): Ampharos
gkrieg13 (0): 2.7
ADK (1): EFHW

Not Voting (1): SirMartin, Yuma

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 2 ends on April 8 at 2:05 a.m..

[Roadrunner7671]

Partially V/LA for spring break, but no unannounced L-1s please.

[2.71828.....]

Partially V/LA for spring break, but no unannounced L-1s please.

Announcement.  I am at L-1

[Ampharos]

Super busy day - sorry all.  Should be around more this week.

[SirMartin]

I intend to hammer. E needs to full claim in my opinion.

[SirMartin]

Also, this:

Super busy day - sorry all.  Should be around more this week.

[Hydrad]

I intend to hammer. E needs to full claim in my opinion.

I think he did claim already?

[EFHW]

Also, this:

Super busy day - sorry all.  Should be around more this week.

What about it?

[EFHW]

Assuming for argument's sake that e could be telling the truth, do we think it is possible someone could be not alive but still able to vote?

We know e and yuma cannot vote.  We know 2 people are not alive.  They both claim to be alive. The simplest thing is to assume the two people who can't vote are the ones not alive, but that might not be the case.

We don't think walkers should be able to vote or choose targets, but "not alive" and walker may not be synonymous.

Do we think walkers could post? I guess flavor-wise they shouldn't be able to.  Is that right?

[Ampharos]

Frankly I wouldn't be surprised to see them be able to post. 

We've never gotten a "so and so has been turned into a walker" notification from Ash, and since that's something that should be obvious to a bunch of humans, I don't think we can take for granted that walkers can't post, since apparently we can't tell what walkers look like in this version of Walking Dead. 

That's not the clearest way of explaining it, but basically: I don't think we can make that assumption.

[gkrieg13]

I plan on hammering later today unless something changes.

[EFHW]

Frankly I wouldn't be surprised to see them be able to post. 

We've never gotten a "so and so has been turned into a walker" notification from Ash, and since that's something that should be obvious to a bunch of humans, I don't think we can take for granted that walkers can't post, since apparently we can't tell what walkers look like in this version of Walking Dead. 

That's not the clearest way of explaining it, but basically: I don't think we can make that assumption.

Can walkers talk in the show/comic?

[Ampharos]

I don't think so?  I've seen like one episode.   All I saw was a bunch of zombie noises, so I'd assume no.

[yuma]

[yuma]

[EFHW]

Seriously?  We need some TWD experts to educate us here!

[EFHW]

maybe ashersky didn't stay as close to the flavor as I am expecting him to?

[Ampharos]

I would expect zombies not to talk, but since we're not privy to basic information like "oh, there is a zombie right there" before it bites you, I'm not assuming anything here

[EFHW]

It still bothers me that people are lynching e b/c they think he bit faust.  I still think if he is a zombie the lynch will have no effect.  Is there a case for him being scummy in a non-zombie way?

[Witherweaver]

It still bothers me that people are lynching e b/c they think he bit faust.  I still think if he is a zombie the lynch will have no effect.  Is there a case for him being scummy in a non-zombie way?

Faust has a result that said e targeted him; e is claiming that he did not.

[yuma]

Seriously?  We need some TWD experts to educate us here!

Haven't seen the show.

[yuma]

It still bothers me that people are lynching e b/c they think he bit faust.  I still think if he is a zombie the lynch will have no effect.  Is there a case for him being scummy in a non-zombie way?

Faust has a result that said e targeted him; e is claiming that he did not.

[gkrieg13]

So I guess we could have redirection of some kind.  If that is the case, someone could've bus drove(sp?) faust and either Haddock or ss?  I want to ask if anyone could verify that, but I think Hydrad kinda already did, because he said that he actually did target faust.

Other explanations?  Is there a power that just redirects one person?  I guess one of ss and Haddock could've been a nexus?

[Witherweaver]

So I guess we could have redirection of some kind.  If that is the case, someone could've bus drove(sp?) faust and either Haddock or ss?  I want to ask if anyone could verify that, but I think Hydrad kinda already did, because he said that he actually did target faust.

Other explanations?  Is there a power that just redirects one person?  I guess one of ss and Haddock could've been a nexus?

Wait, when did Hydrad claim?

[gkrieg13]

At work. But TA I targeted Faust. But no I didn't bite him

[Witherweaver]

At work. But TA I targeted Faust. But no I didn't bite him

Do you think that e did? 

[Witherweaver]

Or, that e caused it, really.

[gkrieg13]

So I guess the redirection would need to be from ss to e. If it were from haddock, e would receive that Faust is other right?

[EFHW]

Haven't seen the show.

 
 

[EFHW]

It still bothers me that people are lynching e b/c they think he bit faust.  I still think if he is a zombie the lynch will have no effect.  Is there a case for him being scummy in a non-zombie way?

Faust has a result that said e targeted him; e is claiming that he did not.

@e - Sorry if you already explained this, but why did you target silver and haddock for investigation?

[faust]

Frankly I wouldn't be surprised to see them be able to post. 

We've never gotten a "so and so has been turned into a walker" notification from Ash, and since that's something that should be obvious to a bunch of humans, I don't think we can take for granted that walkers can't post, since apparently we can't tell what walkers look like in this version of Walking Dead. 

That's not the clearest way of explaining it, but basically: I don't think we can make that assumption.

Can walkers talk in the show/comic?

No. No talking, no self-conscious behaviour of any kind. Just instinct and growling.

[faust]

I hope this game gets a better ending than season 6.

[Witherweaver]

I hope this game gets a better ending than season 6.

If we're at LyLo, Ash should hold off on the flip for  a couple months.

[Hydrad]

so ya basically i doubt e is a walker. that just seems weird to me. but i guess I shouldn't made assumptions.

That being said if he really is a double investigator thats a really powerful role. Shouldn't we try to keep that alive for a bit?

[A Drowned Kernel]

Someone had an intent to hammer I believe?

[gkrieg13]

vote: e

[ashersky]

Vote Count 2.8:

2.7 (4): Faust, Roadrunner7671, ADK, Witherweaver
SirMartin (1): gkrieg13
Witherweaver (1): Hydrad
EFHW (1): Ampharos
gkrieg13 (0): 2.7
ADK (1): EFHW

Not Voting (1): SirMartin, Yuma

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 2 ends on April 8 at 2:05 a.m..

[2.71828.....]

So gkrieg can't vote?

Interesting

[gkrieg13]

Wait what?  I can't change my vote?

Oh. Duh. I can't hammer. I'm dumb

[faust]

unvote

You can vote now, and I'll hammer.

[Ampharos]

I could change my vote so you can hammer Faust, but I kind of like it where it is.  Just for reference down the road.

[gkrieg13]

vote: e

[faust]

Vote: e

[ashersky]

Final Day 2 Vote Count:

2.7 (5): Roadrunner7671, ADK, Witherweaver, gkrieg13, faust
Witherweaver (1): Hydrad
EFHW (1): Ampharos
gkrieg13 (0): 2.7
ADK (1): EFHW

Not Voting (1): SirMartin, Yuma

With 9 alive, it took 5 to lynch.

[ashersky]

Twilight 2 begins now and lasts at least 4 hours.

[ashersky]

2.7 has been lynched.  He is Sophia Peletier.

Night 2 begins now and lasts 48 hours.  Night action orders are due within the next 24 hours.

[ashersky]

Note: Dawn 3 will need to start a few hours early.

[ashersky]

Hello?  This is...


Thank god there is someone out there! Please help me! My name is Sophia and I'm going to die. We're on a farm full of crazy people and walkers. Everyone here killed my friend Carl's mom, then Carl was dead in the morning! They tried to kill me too, but I ran away and hid in the barn. Then I heard your voice, someone hid a radio in here. Please help! I don't want to die...


What is happening there?  I'm...I'm a friend of Rick's.  I want to help, but...I don't know any of you.  Find Rick...tell him you heard from Morgan...

[ashersky]

During the night...

yuma died from a bullet to the head.  He was Judith Grimes, the Baby.  He was a Walker.

2.7 died from his head being cut off.  He was Sophia, the Walker.

[ashersky]

Dawn 3 starts now and will last at least 4 hours.

[ashersky]

Day 3 begins now!

Vote Count 3.0:

Not Voting (8): Witherweaver, gkrieg13, faust, EFHW, Roadrunner7671, A Drowned Kernel, Hydrad, Ampharos, SirMartin

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Day 3 will end on April 17 at 3:30 p.m.

[Roadrunner7671]

We're all alive for once!!!!!!!

[Roadrunner7671]

Faust, why didn't you kill yourself?

[Roadrunner7671]

Counting is hard. One of us is dead.

[Roadrunner7671]

Also:
Use: Comic book
Comic book: EFHW
Comic book: Carl

[Witherweaver]

Faust, why didn't you kill yourself?

And, why didn't Faust shoot e?  e got his head chopped off...

[EFHW]

We're all alive for once!!!!!!!

No, one of is not.  Probably faust.

[EFHW]

Faust, why didn't you kill yourself?

And, why didn't Faust shoot e?  e got his head chopped off...

faust said he had a dawn power.  He didn't kill e. Maybe the thread being locked also meant no actions could be submitted.

[Roadrunner7671]

Faust, why didn't you kill yourself?

And, why didn't Faust shoot e?  e got his head chopped off...

Faust kills at dawn. E got night killed by Michonne (probably).

[Witherweaver]

Oh, okay.

Did we load yesterday?

[EFHW]

Also:
Use: Comic book
Comic book: EFHW
Comic book: Carl

So now what will happen to me?

[EFHW]

We need to shoot faust with the gun.

Lock. Target=faust

[Witherweaver]

We need to shoot faust with the gun.

Lock. Target=faust

I agree.

Is action fixed once majority is reached, or can we change/unvote it?

[EFHW]

We need to shoot faust with the gun.

Lock. Target=faust

I agree.

Is action fixed once majority is reached, or can we change/unvote it?

It's unchangeable as soon as you make it.

[Roadrunner7671]

Also:
Use: Comic book
Comic book: EFHW
Comic book: Carl

So now what will happen to me?

Who knows?

[A Drowned Kernel]

Lock won't do anything until the day action window is open but I agree we should kill Faust when that happens.

Also vote: EFHW I still want to do this.

[gkrieg13]

so e was the walker while the rest were just walkers.

So did we have no NK last night?  Because I feel like faust shot yuma and e was disposed of a different way.

[Roadrunner7671]

so e was the walker while the rest were just walkers.

So did we have no NK last night?  Because I feel like faust shot yuma and e was disposed of a different way.

*sigh* Faust kills at dawn.

[gkrieg13]

so e was the walker while the rest were just walkers.

So did we have no NK last night?  Because I feel like faust shot yuma and e was disposed of a different way.

*sigh* Faust kills at dawn.

of course.  It is all just one time period to me because of what I'm used to in mafia.  So obviously someone else killed yuma.  So we must have a lot of vigs.

hopefully faust chimes in soon so we know what happened.  He did say that he should be able to commit suicide, and walkers are definitely able to talk and take actions(?) at this point

[Witherweaver]

Maybe Faust was blocked somehow and prevented from suiciding.

[faust]

Alright guys. Sorry, I needed some time to process everything and figure out the best way forward. I think I have found it.

I have turned into a Walker at the end of last night.

You possibly already guessed this. Why am I telling you this? Because I want to survive, and I think I have found a way of doing just that. Let's just say it will be a... mutually beneficial agreement. Because this is the second part of my confession.

Before I have turned into a Walker, I was an Other.

That means that I know exactly who the Others are (newsflash: they're your enemies.) And I can share my knowledge with you. But of course if I do that now, you will just kill me. So think of it as my bargaining chip... I will always give you exactly as much information as is needed for you to not kill me. I will give you information today, but... only after the Day action submission deadline.

I can tell you something about being a Walker up front though. First, I did not gain the ability to bite anyone. It seems only e could do that, patient zero so to speak. I know that's a bit of a leap of faith, but it's probably the difference between "The Walker" and "a Walker".

Second, I have retained my ability to shoot other walkers. I am willing to take out any new walker that you create via lynches. I am sad to say that the rest of what I told you was bogus. I cannot commit suicide. There's also no hated mechanic; I made that up from the "Lock and load" stuff. (I had to do something because I was put in a neighborhood with gkrieg at the start of Day 1)

So what are question you would like me to answer? How many Others there are? Which powers they possess? I don't think I can give you a name today... that just decreases my "value" too much.

[Roadrunner7671]

Two things:
What is your wincon as a walker?

The other thing is this: After the day action submission window, will you tell us the other others?

[faust]

Two things:
What is your wincon as a walker?

My win con is to have only Walkers be allowed to post in this thread.

The other thing is this: After the day action submission window, will you tell us the other others?

Err... no, not yet. You would just shoot me tomorrow. I can give you valueable hints though.

[EFHW]

Lock won't do anything until the day action window is open but I agree we should kill Faust when that happens.

Also vote: EFHW I still want to do this.

ash explicitly said all orders can be made in preceding time periods.

[EFHW]

so e was the walker while the rest were just walkers.

So did we have no NK last night?  Because I feel like faust shot yuma and e was disposed of a different way.

*sigh* Faust kills at dawn.

of course.  It is all just one time period to me because of what I'm used to in mafia.  So obviously someone else killed yuma.  So we must have a lot of vigs.

hopefully faust chimes in soon so we know what happened.  He did say that he should be able to commit suicide, and walkers are definitely able to talk and take actions(?) at this point

did no one else notice the thread was locked at twilight and dawn?

[EFHW]

The last time faust offered a deal like this he broke it. I'm not interested and don't believe what he says, since he has already lied at least once this game.

[Witherweaver]

Two things:
What is your wincon as a walker?

My win con is to have only Walkers be allowed to post in this thread.

So if you can't bite people.. how can you satisfy your win con?  By having people get lynched and not getting them killed?

[EFHW]

vote: faust. He probably never got bit in the first place.

[Witherweaver]

vote: faust. He probably never got bit in the first place.

What?  You mean he was always a Walker?  But then he wouldn't have been on the vote count previous days.

[Ampharos]

Sorry Faust, can't trust a word you say from here on out.

It's very important to realize that he very well could be trying to get killed here.

[A Drowned Kernel]

vote: faust Lynch all liars, and we can't trust that any info you're feeding us doesn't serve your own wincon.

Although if you're a walker we probably have to wait and shoot you.

[Witherweaver]

If he's a walker, isn't lynching him a waste of a lynch?  We should just shoot during day action.

[gkrieg13]

I agree that we should shoot faust.

The wincon change doesn't really fit in RMM as far as I know, because outing the scum team would break the game and be silly.  Also he would be playing against his wincon if he really did help town. 

This play just seems weird from faust.  He did say he was a backup for someone, so is that someone another other?

I wonder if the bites are just a distraction?  Or maybe e really was just some kind of SK.

Anyway, we should probably be looking at interactions with Haddock and faust.  Seeing as faust was the only one who did the reread of Haddock IIRC.

[EFHW]

vote: faust Lynch all liars, and we can't trust that any info you're feeding us doesn't serve your own wincon.

Although if you're a walker we probably have to wait and shoot you.

Shoot first.  If he lives, lynch him.

[EFHW]

Sorry Faust, can't trust a word you say from here on out.

It's very important to realize that he very well could be trying to get killed here.

What benefit do you think he could get from getting himself killed?

[EFHW]

vote: faust. He probably never got bit in the first place.

What?  You mean he was always a Walker?  But then he wouldn't have been on the vote count previous days.

It's true, someone is not alive here and he is the likely person.  I was thinking he had some agenda for claiming to have been bitten, but not being alive is a possible confirmation of that claim.

[gkrieg13]

So what I got from the Haddock reread:
  He RVS votes for EFHW
  Says he won't vote faust for the day
  says he isn't sure about RR
  doesn't want to vote for e
  votes RR
  says he doesn't like WW
  also that he doesn't like ADK
  doesn't like ss
  Does like yuma
  this post in particular is insightful
  says SirMartin is townie
  votes ss and says he would happily do ADK or RR instead
  he seems to defend chairs a few times
  unvotes ss and votes ADK
  On his could lynch list was EFHW, defends chairs and gkrieg13 here.
  pushes RR hard
  Also pushes ADK hard
  Like he REALLY doesn't want chairs to get lynched.
 

Also while reading, I saw this:

Hi everyone

Isn't this exactly what RR used in that one game to communicate results he got during the night?

PPE: 3

[gkrieg13]

I got excited and forgot to go for conclusions.

I think I would definitely lynch chairs after this, assuming he is still alive (I can't remember)
I think I am less inclined to go after RR or ADK.  I just don't think scum busses that hard D1.
I guess I would go after WW. 

We still don't know what the NK flavor looks like.  My guess is it is a shot to the head?

[EFHW]

I got excited and forgot to go for conclusions.

I think I would definitely lynch chairs after this, assuming he is still alive (I can't remember)
I think I am less inclined to go after RR or ADK.  I just don't think scum busses that hard D1.
I guess I would go after WW. 

We still don't know what the NK flavor looks like.  My guess is it is a shot to the head?

chairs is dead. He was town.

[gkrieg13]

I got excited and forgot to go for conclusions.

I think I would definitely lynch chairs after this, assuming he is still alive (I can't remember)
I think I am less inclined to go after RR or ADK.  I just don't think scum busses that hard D1.
I guess I would go after WW. 

We still don't know what the NK flavor looks like.  My guess is it is a shot to the head?

chairs is dead. He was town.

Darn. That's what I thought.

[ashersky]

Vote Count 3.1:

faust (2): EFHW, ADK

Not Voting (6): Witherweaver, gkrieg13, faust, Roadrunner7671, Hydrad, Ampharos, SirMartin

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Day 3 will end on April 17 at 3:30 p.m.

[faust]

Two things:
What is your wincon as a walker?

My win con is to have only Walkers be allowed to post in this thread.

So if you can't bite people.. how can you satisfy your win con?  By having people get lynched and not getting them killed?

I don't know. That's why I'm going for this... I basically have no chance of winning this, and the only way I see is by surviving until the end, which is crazy unlikely given that I can neither kill nor vote. This plan is my like 1% chance to win.

[faust]

This play just seems weird from faust.  He did say he was a backup for someone, so is that someone another other?

No; it's a townie.

I wonder if the bites are just a distraction?  Or maybe e really was just some kind of SK.

I believe Cult Leader is the role you're looking for.

[faust]

Also while reading, I saw this:

Hi everyone

Isn't this exactly what RR used in that one game to communicate results he got during the night?

PPE: 3

That's just me being frustrated.

[faust]

vote: faust Lynch all liars, and we can't trust that any info you're feeding us doesn't serve your own wincon.

But... the only info I can be serving you that serves my own wincon is the correct one.

[faust]

I should probably illustrate that I'm a walker. Look: Vote: faust

[ashersky]

Vote Count 3.2:

faust (2): EFHW, ADK, faust

Not Voting (6): Witherweaver, gkrieg13, Roadrunner7671, Hydrad, Ampharos, SirMartin

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Day 3 will end on April 17 at 3:30 p.m.

[Ampharos]

Sorry Faust, can't trust a word you say from here on out.

It's very important to realize that he very well could be trying to get killed here.

What benefit do you think he could get from getting himself killed?

It's RMM, who knows.  I know there are roles out there that want to be lynched, and the way Faust is playing, I wouldn't be surprised to see it at all.

[Ampharos]

Do we want to split up as well?  I don't think we've done that yet.  And we're not checking the perimeter, or do we want to do that?  I think those earlier bites were coming from e, not from "random" zombies.  Let's not lynch Faust, cause it certainly didn't kill e when we lynched him.  Lock him, then lynch him if it does nothing.

[A Drowned Kernel]

I thought about it just to be sure, and faust's supposed plan doesn't actually make sense- the Others have proven that they can kill walkers, and if faust is threatening to help us lynch them, they just kill him tonight. So his plan actually has a 0% chance of fulfilling his wincon, so something's clearly up.

So yeah, just shoot faust.

I'll move back to vote: EFHW since lynching him is probably actually a bad idea.

[faust]

I thought about it just to be sure, and faust's supposed plan doesn't actually make sense- the Others have proven that they can kill walkers, and if faust is threatening to help us lynch them, they just kill him tonight. So his plan actually has a 0% chance of fulfilling his wincon, so something's clearly up.

It's all about restoring balance to the force. As long as they kill me, they cannot kill town, which should be a priority for them.

[Ampharos]

Times like this I miss Yuma's memes.

[A Drowned Kernel]

I thought about it just to be sure, and faust's supposed plan doesn't actually make sense- the Others have proven that they can kill walkers, and if faust is threatening to help us lynch them, they just kill him tonight. So his plan actually has a 0% chance of fulfilling his wincon, so something's clearly up.

It's all about restoring balance to the force. As long as they kill me, they cannot kill town, which should be a priority for them.

I'm pretty sure killing someone who has the ability to out your entire team takes priority over taking out random townies.

[faust]

I thought about it just to be sure, and faust's supposed plan doesn't actually make sense- the Others have proven that they can kill walkers, and if faust is threatening to help us lynch them, they just kill him tonight. So his plan actually has a 0% chance of fulfilling his wincon, so something's clearly up.

It's all about restoring balance to the force. As long as they kill me, they cannot kill town, which should be a priority for them.

I'm pretty sure killing someone who has the ability to out your entire team takes priority over taking out random townies.

But the catch is, I lose if I out the entire team.

[Witherweaver]

I thought about it just to be sure, and faust's supposed plan doesn't actually make sense- the Others have proven that they can kill walkers, and if faust is threatening to help us lynch them, they just kill him tonight. So his plan actually has a 0% chance of fulfilling his wincon, so something's clearly up.

It's all about restoring balance to the force. As long as they kill me, they cannot kill town, which should be a priority for them.

I'm pretty sure killing someone who has the ability to out your entire team takes priority over taking out random townies.

But the catch is, I lose if I out the entire team.

I still don't get when you don't lose.

[Witherweaver]

We need to be careful about splitting up, or whichever one or any other action that disallows posting.  Faust said something about only having Walkers able to post in the thread, and that could be true, and possible only has to be satisfied for a given phase. 

Faust, did you make up the whole thing about having no one vote for you?

[Witherweaver]

I thought about it just to be sure, and faust's supposed plan doesn't actually make sense- the Others have proven that they can kill walkers, and if faust is threatening to help us lynch them, they just kill him tonight. So his plan actually has a 0% chance of fulfilling his wincon, so something's clearly up.

It's all about restoring balance to the force. As long as they kill me, they cannot kill town, which should be a priority for them.

I'm pretty sure killing someone who has the ability to out your entire team takes priority over taking out random townies.

But the catch is, I lose if I out the entire team.

... how many more can there be?

[Ampharos]

[Witherweaver]

Ampharos is a Walker~

[faust]

Faust, did you make up the whole thing about having no one vote for you?

Yes.

[faust]

... how many more can there be?

A question I am happy to answer at the end of the Day action submission deadline.

[Witherweaver]

... how many more can there be?

A question I am happy to answer at the end of the Day action submission deadline.

You mean after you've bitten someone?

[faust]

... how many more can there be?

A question I am happy to answer at the end of the Day action submission deadline.

You mean after you've bitten someone?

I'm pretty sure that e's bites happened at night or at dawn.

[Witherweaver]

... how many more can there be?

A question I am happy to answer at the end of the Day action submission deadline.

You mean after you've bitten someone?

I'm pretty sure that e's bites happened at night or at dawn.

Yuma seemed to have thought he was bitten during the day.

[faust]

... how many more can there be?

A question I am happy to answer at the end of the Day action submission deadline.

You mean after you've bitten someone?

I'm pretty sure that e's bites happened at night or at dawn.

Yuma seemed to have thought he was bitten during the day.

Well my flavor text implies that I have had to wound a while before noticing it. Of course you have to take my word on that.

[Ampharos]

Vote: WW

Just to prove I ain't.

[faust]

But also game-design wise, it feels more natural to have transformation take a whole game cycle (i.e. "24 hours").

[Witherweaver]

Vote: WW

Just to prove I ain't.

[Ampharos]

I'll remove it once the vote count is up.

Maybe

[A Drowned Kernel]

I thought about it just to be sure, and faust's supposed plan doesn't actually make sense- the Others have proven that they can kill walkers, and if faust is threatening to help us lynch them, they just kill him tonight. So his plan actually has a 0% chance of fulfilling his wincon, so something's clearly up.

It's all about restoring balance to the force. As long as they kill me, they cannot kill town, which should be a priority for them.

I'm pretty sure killing someone who has the ability to out your entire team takes priority over taking out random townies.

But the catch is, I lose if I out the entire team.

Not if they nk you...

[ashersky]

Vote Count 3.3:

faust (1): EFHW, faust
EFHW (1): ADK
Witherweaver (1): Ampharos

Not Voting (5): Witherweaver, gkrieg13, Roadrunner7671, Hydrad, SirMartin

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Day 3 will end on April 17 at 3:30 p.m.

[Roadrunner7671]

DO NOT SHOOT FAUST

[Roadrunner7671]

DO NOT SHOOT HIM OR LYNCH HIM

[Witherweaver]

Woah

[Ampharos]

Unvote: WW

All right RR, what's up? You've got me interested.

[Roadrunner7671]

Question for Faust: Why would Michonne not kill you tonight?

[gkrieg13]

Also ash when does the day action submission window open?

[ashersky]

Universal Information

This game is for 15 players and is classified as Role Madness. It was designed by ashersky as a closed setup.

Player List:

1. Witherweaver
2. yuma
3. 2.7
4. gkrieg13
5. faust
6. EFHW
7. Roadrunner7671
8. A Drowned Kernel
9. Haddock
10. silverspawn
11. Hydrad
12. Limetime
13. Ampharos
14. chairs
15. SirMartin

Game State Tracker:
Game Cycle 1: Dawn || Day || Twilight || Night
Game Cycle 2: Dawn || Day || Twilight || Night
Game Cycle 3: Dawn || Day || Twilight || Night
...




Flavor:

Flavor -- written by the mod -- matters. Treat it as a part of the game and read every word. Knowledge of The Walking Dead (either the comics or the television show) is not required, but will enhance enjoyment of the game. At the very least, read a summary somewhere. Again, any flavor written by me is part of the game.

In case you couldn't tell, I'm Morgan talking into the radio.

Town is known as The Group in this game. Here is the win condition for The Group:

You win when all threats to The Group have been eliminated and there is at least one Group member still alive.

All players will receive flavor names.  They are not indicative of alignment.



QTs:

Every player has a Role QT. The first post in every role QT contains all information available regarding the assigned role. The second post in every QT is a welcome post that discusses QTs and is exactly the same in all QTs.




Action submission:

While each game phase has an action submission window, all actions may be submitted in advance of their respective deadlines within one full game cycle (i.e., a night action may be submitted the dawn, day, or twilight before).

Dawn Action Submission Window: Starts immediately after night ends and lasts 4 hours.
Day Action Submission Window: Starts 24 hours after dawn ends and lasts 24 hours.
Twilight Action Submission Window: Starts immediately after day ends and lasts 4 hours.
Night Action Submission Window: Starts immediately after twilight ends and lasts 24 hours.



Miscellaneous:

--Unless otherwise specified, no actions can be taken before Dawn 1.



Group Factional Abilities:

Each day, the following abilities may be used.  Each ability may be used once a day and there is no limit to how many abilities can be used.  Note: To trigger an ability, at least half (rounded down) of all living players must select it by posting it in bold in the game thread during the Day Action Submission Window.

Check the Perimeter: One-third of living players (rounded down), randomly selected, will be unable to post for 48 hours or vote for the rest of the day. If random zombies would have wandered into the farm during the day or following night, they will be stopped.

Split up: Tonight, half the group (rounded down) will sleep in the house while the other half sleep in the camp. Those in the house will be safe from random zombies.

Lock and load: Load one bullet into a gun that sits in the middle of everyone OR shoot a zombie and use up one bullet. If you load, two players, selected a random, will be secretly hated for the rest of the day.  Choose either "Lock" (shoot a zombie) or "Load" (load a bullet in the gun) by posting one word or the other.  If there are no bullets loaded, your selection defaults to "Load."



A Final Thought from your Mod:

I want to thank everyone for signing up and their enthusiasm for wanting to play a game I've invented.  As most of you know, this is my last game for the forseeable future, and I've put everything I've learned over the last four years or so into experimenting and expanding our mafia universe.  But no matter how much time or creativity I put into it, I truly believe it is your activity, dedication, and goodwill that will guarantee this game will be an amazing experience.

And now some friendly advice: Don't get hung up on your assumptions.  Every one one of us makes them, and sure, sometimes we're right.  But it's important to remember that in a game of creativity, deception, and imagination, there is no right and wrong, no past or future.  There's just the game we're all playing, right now.

Good luck!

[Hydrad]

Well this is kinda interesting. So now that you have become a walker did you lose your old wincon? That's strange.

[gkrieg13]

lock: faust

[Ampharos]

Totally not time to do that yet.   

[Ampharos]

So once the window open, we lock faust. 

Do we wish to split up as well?  Checking the perimeter leaves us with basically no one and would be hard to get a lynch out of at this point in the game.

Then it scum hunting time.  We've worried so much about zombies lately that I'm looking forward to actually playing straight up mafia here. 

[gkrieg13]

But I don't wanna figure out when the day started!
I don't think we want to split up.  Mainly because Haddock wanted to split up and he was an other

[Ampharos]

But I don't wanna figure out when the day started!
I don't think we want to split up.  Mainly because Haddock wanted to split up and he was an other

We got a few hours.  He'll tell us I believe, if I'm remembering correctly.

And okay, I missed the Haddock thing. Good catch.

[gkrieg13]

RR needs to explain why he puts things in all caps and increases the font size

[ashersky]

The Day Action Submission Window is now open.

Group Abilities may now be triggered.

[Ampharos]

We're locking faust, right? 

RE-DEATH TO ZOMBIES

[Roadrunner7671]

DO NOT LOCK HIM

[Ampharos]

Why not? Screaming at us is effective for a while, but eventually we have to be told why

[Roadrunner7671]

DO NOT LOCK HIM

[Roadrunner7671]

Faust, I'm going to make you a deal. Otherwise, we'll lock you.

We don't lock you. You tell us how many others there are. If it's more than two, tell us one of them.

Okay?

[SirMartin]

Wow. Lots of catching up to do.

[EFHW]

Faust, I'm going to make you a deal. Otherwise, we'll lock you.

We don't lock you. You tell us how many others there are. If it's more than two, tell us one of them.

Okay?

why do you believe him?

[EFHW]

Lock:faust

[gkrieg13]

Lock:faust

might need a space

[A Drowned Kernel]

Actually, I don't believe Faust was an Other in the first place. That's probably something he made up as a desperation move after he converted.

How many locks are we at?

[gkrieg13]

Actually, I don't believe Faust was an Other in the first place. That's probably something he made up as a desperation move after he converted.

How many locks are we at?

I think we only have one available

lock: faust

[A Drowned Kernel]

I meant votes, I do want to be careful about the hammer.

But I'm at home now so I can count myself.

[A Drowned Kernel]

I guess just two, assuming only those submitted after the window opened count, which I believe is how it works.

[A Drowned Kernel]

And RR, you're really going to have to give me a better reason why this is a bad idea.

[EFHW]

Lock: faust

[SirMartin]

This is obvious, right?
Lock: Faust

[Hydrad]

Lock: Faust

[A Drowned Kernel]

I think that does it? I can lock tomorrow morning if it isn't.

Still curious to hear RR's explanation.

[Ampharos]

lock: faust

Just in case.

[Roadrunner7671]

 

[Witherweaver]

Is it done?

lock: Faust

[gkrieg13]

You needed to at least give us something to go off of if you didn't want us to lock him.

[Hydrad]

I'm sorry. I don't really listen to those kinda claims you have when you just say don't do this and then never give us a reason. Its hard to trust that.

[ashersky]

Lock was triggered and targeted faust.  No other Group Factional Abilities were triggered.

faust died from a bullet to the head.  He was Shane Walsh, the Ex-Deputy Sheriff, and he used to be a member of The Group.  He was a Walker.



Vote Count 3.4:

EFHW (1): ADK

Not Voting (7): Witherweaver, gkrieg13, Roadrunner7671, Hydrad, SirMartin, Ampharos, EFHW

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Day 3 will end on April 17 at 3:30 p.m.

[Roadrunner7671]

[A Drowned Kernel]

I suspected as much.

[A Drowned Kernel]

vote: rr

[Roadrunner7671]

vote: rr

Blah blah blah

I can't believe you guys can't trust me. I'm the towniest person left!

[gkrieg13]

vote: rr

Blah blah blah

I can't believe you guys can't trust me. I'm the towniest person left!

What is that even supposed to mean?

[Roadrunner7671]

vote: rr

Blah blah blah

I can't believe you guys can't trust me. I'm the towniest person left!

What is that even supposed to mean?

I was going to kill Faust with my screwdriver later in the day, but noooooo, we can't trust RR!

[A Drowned Kernel]

vote: rr

Blah blah blah

I can't believe you guys can't trust me. I'm the towniest person left!

What is that even supposed to mean?

I was going to kill Faust with my screwdriver later in the day, but noooooo, we can't trust RR!

Oh, I should have realized that's what your plan was! Silly me.

How were you going to kill him after the day action window was closed? And why wouldn't you explain anything?

[A Drowned Kernel]

And faust didn't actually have any info to give us, so I'm glad we got this out of the way.

[Roadrunner7671]

vote: rr

Blah blah blah

I can't believe you guys can't trust me. I'm the towniest person left!

What is that even supposed to mean?

I was going to kill Faust with my screwdriver later in the day, but noooooo, we can't trust RR!

Oh, I should have realized that's what your plan was! Silly me.

How were you going to kill him after the day action window was closed? And why wouldn't you explain anything?

Sarcasm, right?

It's not an action, it's a dayvig for walkers. And if I told you Faust would've been like 'oh, I'm dead anyway. No point in telling you guys anything.'

[A Drowned Kernel]

You're claiming to have a day action that works outside the game's established rules for day actions, and conveniently can no longer be verified? I call bullshit.

[Roadrunner7671]

You're claiming to have a day action that works outside the game's established rules for day actions, and conveniently can no longer be verified? I call bullshit.

Screwdrive: ADK

[Hydrad]

So wait. I'm assuming that won't kill ADK unless hes a walker right?

[Roadrunner7671]

So wait. I'm assuming that won't kill ADK unless hes a walker right?

Right.

[A Drowned Kernel]

So again, no verification.

[A Drowned Kernel]

Did you believe that faust was originally an Other?

[Roadrunner7671]

Did you believe that faust was originally an Other?

Yes.

[A Drowned Kernel]

I'm trying to determine if there are any useful reactions from the whole faust thing. The real Others would have known that he was lying. Would they have cared if he lived and tried to convince us that... I don't know, random people were his partners? Or did they want him dead ASAP so his alignment would be revealed?

So far the only reactions that I note as unusual are: RR, wanted to keep him alive when no one else did, and Sir Martin and Hydrad who locked him without any comment. But they may have just been late to the party.

[EFHW]

vote: rr

Blah blah blah

I can't believe you guys can't trust me. I'm the towniest person left!

What is that even supposed to mean?

I was going to kill Faust with my screwdriver later in the day, but noooooo, we can't trust RR!

There was no need for you to use your screwdriver on faust when we had the gun loaded and ready.  You should have just saved it for the next time we had a walker to deal with and not confused everyone with a crisis that wasn't. Chances are you'll get a chance to use it.  Can you use it on yourself?  You're probably a prime bite target at this point, if there are any walkers left to bite you.

[Roadrunner7671]

There are no walkers left, right? We're all alive.

If there are NPC walkers, then we probably can't win.

[gkrieg13]

There are no walkers left, right? We're all alive.

If there are NPC walkers, then we probably can't win.

I'm guessing when we lynch someone, we'll get another walker. So we could talk about not lynching but still voting. The downside is that people might not vote as much if they think they won't get lynched.

Actually people have abilities to kill walkers so we should probably still lynch people.

[Roadrunner7671]

Oh yeah, lynching causes problems 

[A Drowned Kernel]

Lynching might cause problems. None of the people killed night one came back.

What are people's reads? Let's get a Lynch going. I suppose I'm back to vote: EFHW for now

[EFHW]

Lynching might cause problems. None of the people killed night one came back.

What are people's reads? Let's get a Lynch going. I suppose I'm back to vote: EFHW for now

gkrieg is right, I think.  The night one people were all killed in brain destroying manners.  The lynchees both came back/survived.

[SirMartin]

I'm from a phone but I will try to tell you why all I did was lock him.

He said he was an other and he couldn't bite people. I figured one of those was a lie.

If one of those was a lie, there would be no point in keeping him around.

If he could bite people and we let him live we'd just be stupid.

If he wasn't an other and we let him live there would be no point. It would be like keeping around a survivor who wanted to kill the town.

[gkrieg13]

Lynching might cause problems. None of the people killed night one came back.

What are people's reads? Let's get a Lynch going. I suppose I'm back to vote: EFHW for now

gkrieg is right, I think.  The night one people were all killed in brain destroying manners.  The lynchees both came back/survived.

The problem is we still need people to be accountable for the votes

[Roadrunner7671]

Oh, my screwdriver needs to be submitted during an action submission window, but it can be any one. So I could use it at night.

[Witherweaver]

Vote: Roadrunner I think.

[Roadrunner7671]

Vote: Roadrunner I think.

[Roadrunner7671]

I'm pretty sure I can confirm my innocence, but I really, really don't want to.

[Witherweaver]

Okay, then, why were you so certain Faust was lying?

[Roadrunner7671]

Okay, then, why were you so certain Faust was lying?

Lying about what?

[Witherweaver]

Okay, then, why were you so certain Faust was lying?

Lying about what?

Do you mean you believed his claim?

[Roadrunner7671]

Okay, then, why were you so certain Faust was lying?

Lying about what?

Do you mean you believed his claim?

Yes.

[Hydrad]

Welp ok then. On to the next stage.

Hmm I was going to look at who didn't lock to maybe get town cred. But I think ADK was the only one who didn't lock but he seemed to show willingness to lock anyways.

Or wait... actually if the others knew he wasn't an other... how would they even react really... I guess try to keep him alive? huh... its harder then I expected.


I dunno. I can't seem to get as much info from faust as I guess I had hoped.

[ashersky]

Vote Count 3.5:

EFHW (1): ADK
Roadrunner7671 (1): Witherweaver

Not Voting (6): gkrieg13, Roadrunner7671, Hydrad, SirMartin, Ampharos, EFHW

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Day 3 will end on April 17 at 3:30 p.m.

[Ampharos]

Busy weekend and morning here at work - will do some digging in here shortly.

[A Drowned Kernel]

Welp ok then. On to the next stage.

Hmm I was going to look at who didn't lock to maybe get town cred. But I think ADK was the only one who didn't lock but he seemed to show willingness to lock anyways.

Or wait... actually if the others knew he wasn't an other... how would they even react really... I guess try to keep him alive? huh... its harder then I expected.


I dunno. I can't seem to get as much info from faust as I guess I had hoped.

What do you think of RR?

[Hydrad]

Welp ok then. On to the next stage.

Hmm I was going to look at who didn't lock to maybe get town cred. But I think ADK was the only one who didn't lock but he seemed to show willingness to lock anyways.

Or wait... actually if the others knew he wasn't an other... how would they even react really... I guess try to keep him alive? huh... its harder then I expected.


I dunno. I can't seem to get as much info from faust as I guess I had hoped.

What do you think of RR?

I think if he was scum then his partners might of suggested Doing that. I don't think he would fake claim that on his own. That or he actually has the ability

[Witherweaver]

Okay, then, why were you so certain Faust was lying?

Lying about what?

Do you mean you believed his claim?

Yes.

I'm not sure I get it.  You didn't think he could have provided a benefit by outing some of the Others?

[Roadrunner7671]

Okay, then, why were you so certain Faust was lying?

Lying about what?

Do you mean you believed his claim?

Yes.

I'm not sure I get it.  You didn't think he could have provided a benefit by outing some of the Others?

I wanted us to NOT lock him so that he would out one other or tell us how many there were. Then I'd screwdrive him.

[Ampharos]

This feels legit to me. 

[Witherweaver]

Do you know that's what the screwdriver does?

[Ampharos]

If you're talking to me, no, good point, but it still feels legit.

[Witherweaver]

No, that was to RR.  I'm asking if he knows for certain what it does or he's guessing.

[A Drowned Kernel]

I think I'm town on RR now, this feels too silly to be a scum ploy.

People I'd lynch: EFHW, Amph, Hydrad. Maaaybe WW. But we're actually getting to a pretty small pool here.

[A Drowned Kernel]

Sir Martin's probably ahead of WW actually.

[Ampharos]

I really think we should take a good long look at Sir Martin.

EFHW, WW and ADK are also worth taking a look at.  I guess Hydrad as well.

[gkrieg13]

Are we possibly at MYLO?

Because if so, we should mass claim

[Ampharos]

Highly doubt it.  That would mean there were 4 scum in the game (since one is dead).  More likely there were 3, with 2 left alive. 

[Ampharos]

I mean, I guess there could have been 4.  I just am expecting 3. 

[A Drowned Kernel]

I might be in favor of a massclaim anyway? It could shed some light on things.

[gkrieg13]

I guess if we had a cult leader, 3 scum is maybe more likely?

Still kinda like a mass claim to help us figure some stuff out.

[A Drowned Kernel]

Why is no one voting?

[Roadrunner7671]

Why is no one voting?

No more zambies.

[A Drowned Kernel]

But really.

[Roadrunner7671]

But really.

That's why I'm not voting.

[A Drowned Kernel]

But really.

That's why I'm not voting.

What about the Others?

[Roadrunner7671]

But really.

That's why I'm not voting.

What about the Others?

Let people with swords and guns take care of them.

[Roadrunner7671]

It's scummy to say this out of the blue, but we should massclaim. Depending on the setup, I might be able to do good things.

[EFHW]

But really.

That's why I'm not voting.

Voting doesn't help with zombies.

[EFHW]

I guess if we had a cult leader, 3 scum is maybe more likely?

Still kinda like a mass claim to help us figure some stuff out.

I'd be ok with a mass claim.  Get things kickstarted.

[EFHW]

I really think we should take a good long look at Sir Martin.

EFHW, WW and ADK are also worth taking a look at.  I guess Hydrad as well.

I was thinking ADK for scum early on, but he's reading pretty towny for me now.  Why is he on your maybe scum list? 

Regarding everyone else, WW also seems towny.  Hydrad's been pretty slippery.  Could be scum.  Sir Martin reads scummy, but I don't have anything specific to point to right now.  gkrieg is a townread.  You're another one I read as scummy earlier.  I don't think much has shifted for me there.  Anyone else?  RR I think is town.

[EFHW]

But really.

That's why I'm not voting.

What about the Others?

Let people with swords and guns take care of them.

? ? Voting is for Others, swords and guns are for zombies. 

[Roadrunner7671]

But really.

That's why I'm not voting.

What about the Others?

Let people with swords and guns take care of them.

? ? Voting is for Others, swords and guns are for zombies.

On night one Haddock (an other) was killed by a bladed weapon, which I assumed was a sword.

[SirMartin]

I'm okay with mass claiming.

[EFHW]

But really.

That's why I'm not voting.

What about the Others?

Let people with swords and guns take care of them.

? ? Voting is for Others, swords and guns are for zombies.

On night one Haddock (an other) was killed by a bladed weapon, which I assumed was a sword.

ok, but voting is still for Others, and one player might have access to a night action with a sword but most of us do not.

[Roadrunner7671]

But really.

That's why I'm not voting.

What about the Others?

Let people with swords and guns take care of them.

? ? Voting is for Others, swords and guns are for zombies.

On night one Haddock (an other) was killed by a bladed weapon, which I assumed was a sword.

ok, but voting is still for Others, and one player might have access to a night action with a sword but most of us do not.

I've thought of a system: We lynch, the guy with the sword re-kills that person during night. Repeat. Thoughts?

[gkrieg13]

Sounds good to me.

I think I should make the mass claim order. Is anyone opposed to this?  I have reasons for choosing the order. But I'll claim them last

[Roadrunner7671]

I refuse to claim before a protective role.

[A Drowned Kernel]

Massclaim is good. Let's do this.

[EFHW]

Sounds good to me.

I think I should make the mass claim order. Is anyone opposed to this?  I have reasons for choosing the order. But I'll claim them last

Any order is fine with me.

[Roadrunner7671]

EFHW's making a long post. The suspense is killing me!

[gkrieg13]

Ok order is thus. 

SirMartin
Ampharos
Hydrad
Witherweaver
EFHW
ADK
Roadrunner7671
gkrieg13

go go SirMartin

[Ampharos]

I don't know if I want a mass claim.  This is being heavily pushed by several people who I think have a good chance of being scum.  There is so much hidden here for town and I believe we're in a good spot... I really do not like this.

[gkrieg13]

I don't know if I want a mass claim.  This is being heavily pushed by several people who I think have a good chance of being scum.  There is so much hidden here for town and I believe we're in a good spot... I really do not like this.

Who is scummy that is pushing it?

[EFHW]

But really.

That's why I'm not voting.

What about the Others?

Let people with swords and guns take care of them.

? ? Voting is for Others, swords and guns are for zombies.

On night one Haddock (an other) was killed by a bladed weapon, which I assumed was a sword.

ok, but voting is still for Others, and one player might have access to a night action with a sword but most of us do not.

I've thought of a system: We lynch, the guy with the sword re-kills that person during night. Repeat. Thoughts?

 
That is probably what we will need to do.

[Ampharos]

I don't know if I want a mass claim.  This is being heavily pushed by several people who I think have a good chance of being scum.  There is so much hidden here for town and I believe we're in a good spot... I really do not like this.

Who is scummy that is pushing it?

I should clarify "heavily pushed" to be - is contributing to the occurrence of the claim during a time when there are no dissenting voices.   Sir Martin is the top here, but I trust ADK and EFHW about as far as I can throw them.  You're fine.

The more I think about this the more I'm torn.  I'd be curious as to why you have me going to early though.

[EFHW]

I don't know if I want a mass claim.  This is being heavily pushed by several people who I think have a good chance of being scum.  There is so much hidden here for town and I believe we're in a good spot... I really do not like this.

Who is scummy that is pushing it?

I should clarify "heavily pushed" to be - is contributing to the occurrence of the claim during a time when there are no dissenting voices.   Sir Martin is the top here, but I trust ADK and EFHW about as far as I can throw them.  You're fine.

The more I think about this the more I'm torn.  I'd be curious as to why you have me going to early though.

I don't see how agreeing to a proposal qualifies as heavily pushing. It sounds like you don't like the idea of having to claim.

[Ampharos]

Not particularly, no.  Especially not at that point in the order.

[gkrieg13]

I've already heard EFHW and ADK claim, that is why they are so low in order.

I don't see why order matters all that much.

[EFHW]

Sometimes town need to hold things back in their claims, just PLEASE don't lie.  I swear, it backfires every time.

[Witherweaver]

I've already heard EFHW and ADK claim, that is why they are so low in order.

I don't see why order matters all that much.

Huh?  When did that happen?

[Ampharos]

Vote: Sir Martin

[Ampharos]

Actually no.

Unvote

Reads more townie on a re-read.

[gkrieg13]

I've already heard EFHW and ADK claim, that is why they are so low in order.

I don't see why order matters all that much.

Huh?  When did that happen?

I'll tell you when it gets to my claim.

[Ampharos]

Screw it.  We can mass claim.  Just put me last - it's way too easy for someone to fake claim off mine.  My role should also be confirmed by someone who goes ahead of me. 

[Witherweaver]

I would like RR to go before me.  Or at least answer the question I asked about his screwdriver.

[Roadrunner7671]

I would like RR to go before me.  Or at least answer the question I asked about his screwdriver.

What question?

[Witherweaver]

I would like RR to go before me.  Or at least answer the question I asked about his screwdriver.

What question?

Do you know (mod-confirmed) what it does, or are you guessing?

[Roadrunner7671]

I would like RR to go before me.  Or at least answer the question I asked about his screwdriver.

What question?

Do you know (mod-confirmed) what it does, or are you guessing?

I know what it does.

[Witherweaver]

Could you share again, in complete?

[Roadrunner7671]

Could you share again, in complete?

During an action submission phase, I can choose to attack someone with my screwdriver. If they're a walker, they die.

[Witherweaver]

Could you share again, in complete?

During an action submission phase, I can choose to attack someone with my screwdriver. If they're a walker, they die.

Interesting.

[Witherweaver]

EFHW, did you have anything notable happen to you Night 1?

[SirMartin]

Claim time!

[Witherweaver]

Claim time!

You're going first?

[SirMartin]

All I feel compelled to say is that I'm the vig and yes, I have a sword.

Giving away more than that really doesn't do much for the town but it would help others.

Who's next?

[EFHW]

EFHW, did you have anything notable happen to you Night 1?

No.

[EFHW]

EFHW, did you have anything notable happen to you Night 1?

No.

Something did come up Dawn 2.

[Hydrad]

So it seems like this claiming thing isn't working the best if people disagree on the order...

[Roadrunner7671]

SurMartin's an IC now right?

No counterclaims and there is no reason for an other aligned vig to kill an other

[gkrieg13]

How bout I go first and prove I'm IC then people will have to go in the order I say.

I'm a friendly neighbor.  I can target someone and am confirmed part of the group.  I have done this to faust, ADK, and EFHW.  faust breadcrumbed this in this post:

Good, so, what can we learn from the flavor?
Kinda seems important to watch out for.
Remember, ash made it very clear that flavor is important, so I'll search it for clues, because clues seem very relevant.
I think this means we get a Morgan update every Dawn.
Eh, that likely means that lynch flavor (which happens at Twilight) will be different.
Gotta wonder how.
I think that is clear as day, and confirms that we really should look at the flavor intensely.
So, can this give us some indication about how zombie attacks work?
It is not out of the question that some of us are inherently slower than others, and will always get eaten first.
Could also be random though.

Hydrad is next then Ampharos because I already have EFHW and ADK's claims

[gkrieg13]

So now is

Hydrad
Ampharos
WW
RR
ADK
EFHW

[Hydrad]

I'm a weak commuter

each night I can target someone and as long as they don't die I can't be targetted.
If they die though I die with them.

I also have a 1shot where I don't need to target anyone and I'm totally safe.

[gkrieg13]

I'm a weak commuter

each night I can target someone and as long as they don't die I can't be targetted.
If they die though I die with them.

I also have a 1shot where I don't need to target anyone and I'm totally safe.

isn't that just a hider?

gogo ampharos

[Roadrunner7671]

Scumslip!

[Ampharos]

So basically, I tell GK who to target.  I told him faust night 1, and then WW night two, so looks like we're dealing with some sort of re-direct here.  I'm pretty sure he has to take my advice on who to target.   I had no idea what his power did or who had that power, just the name of it, thus me super-subtly asking if "vet" meant anything to anyone.  He responded, and since faust basically cleared him with that one post, I think we're good.  I believe he should be able to confirm that I had him target WW.  I'm not sure how he's done it to 3 people.

I also tell someone else what to do, in exactly the same fashion, but it wouldn't surprise me if they're dead.  I had them target Chairs night one and SirMartin night two.  I haven't seen anything to make me thing they're still alive though. 

I also have some night immunity, but I'm not going into depths on how much, because why would I want to spoil all the fun

[Ampharos]

Very interested to hear GK's stance on EFHW and ADK.  I'd love to get some more pieces of the puzzle in here.

Hydrad, unfortunately, has a very easily fabricated claim.

[gkrieg13]

Very interested to hear GK's stance on EFHW and ADK.  I'd love to get some more pieces of the puzzle in here.

Hydrad, unfortunately, has a very easily fabricated claim.

My neighborhood thing is different from vetting. I'll explain that later.

[Hydrad]

I'm a weak commuter

each night I can target someone and as long as they don't die I can't be targetted.
If they die though I die with them.

I also have a 1shot where I don't need to target anyone and I'm totally safe.

isn't that just a hider?

gogo ampharos

oh interesting. I guess its pretty close. I didn't know hider was a role.

[Witherweaver]

I'm a weak commuter

each night I can target someone and as long as they don't die I can't be targetted.
If they die though I die with them.

I also have a 1shot where I don't need to target anyone and I'm totally safe.

isn't that just a hider?

gogo ampharos

oh interesting. I guess its pretty close. I didn't know hider was a role.

What's your actual role name?

[Witherweaver]

I don't think anything was done to me Night 2.

[A Drowned Kernel]

I can confirm gkrieg's claim. Also that he is mod-confirmed town in his neighborhoods.

I would like to request claiming after EFHW.

[A Drowned Kernel]

Also Hydrad: you're saying you have a power that causes you to get NK'd if the person you targeted gets killed, and that you chose to target faust with this power on N1?

vote: Hydrad

[gkrieg13]

I can confirm gkrieg's claim. Also that he is mod-confirmed town in his neighborhoods.

I would like to request claiming after EFHW.

Both of you were in neighborhoods so because you were in my most recent neighborhood, I'll allow it.

[Hydrad]

Also Hydrad: you're saying you have a power that causes you to get NK'd if the person you targeted gets killed, and that you chose to target faust with this power on N1?

vote: Hydrad

Yup. My thinking was that with this many people we would have at least 2 protective roles. And I bet that one of them would target faust. I know I would if I was one before I had any reads.

[Hydrad]

I'm a weak commuter

each night I can target someone and as long as they don't die I can't be targetted.
If they die though I die with them.

I also have a 1shot where I don't need to target anyone and I'm totally safe.

isn't that just a hider?

gogo ampharos

oh interesting. I guess its pretty close. I didn't know hider was a role.

What's your actual role name?

I'm Beth Greene, the Farmer's Other Daughter

[gkrieg13]

I'm a weak commuter

each night I can target someone and as long as they don't die I can't be targetted.
If they die though I die with them.

I also have a 1shot where I don't need to target anyone and I'm totally safe.

isn't that just a hider?

gogo ampharos

oh interesting. I guess its pretty close. I didn't know hider was a role.

What's your actual role name?

I'm Beth Greene, the Farmer's Other Daughter

I think he was asking for the name of your role and not your flavor name.

[Ampharos]

*twiddles thumbs*

[Witherweaver]

Do I go now?

[Ampharos]

Well I think GK is the towniest of us all and is directing who goes when.  But I guess it probably couldn't hurt... who knows.  Your choice I guess.

Also, there is a little nagging thing in the back of my head making me worried that one of the people I'm directing is scum, so I'm glad that GK is mod town confirmed.

[Witherweaver]

I guess so:

So now is

Hydrad
Ampharos
WW
RR
ADK
EFHW

[Ampharos]

Looks like it, then.

[Witherweaver]

I'm Daryl Dixon

I have a bunch of stuff in my pack.  Each night I may choose an item, and if so I target a player.  I am not told what the items do, nor if their use requires targeting a player.  However, I have to target a player in case it does require a target.

Night 1 I selected an old skull ring and targeted EFHW
Night 2 I selected flathead screwdriver and targeted Roadrunner

Apparently, I gave RR the screwdriver.  I can't verify if what he's saying is correct, as I am not informed what the items do, if anything.  I have more items in my pack, but I don't see any benefit in claiming what they are.

EFHW, did you receive the item during Dawn?

I suppose this role is a take on an Inventor.

[gkrieg13]

So basically, I tell GK who to target.  I told him faust night 1, and then WW night two, so looks like we're dealing with some sort of re-direct here.  I'm pretty sure he has to take my advice on who to target.   I had no idea what his power did or who had that power, just the name of it, thus me super-subtly asking if "vet" meant anything to anyone.  He responded, and since faust basically cleared him with that one post, I think we're good.  I believe he should be able to confirm that I had him target WW.  I'm not sure how he's done it to 3 people.

I also tell someone else what to do, in exactly the same fashion, but it wouldn't surprise me if they're dead.  I had them target Chairs night one and SirMartin night two.  I haven't seen anything to make me thing they're still alive though. 

I also have some night immunity, but I'm not going into depths on how much, because why would I want to spoil all the fun

So you have no idea what the things do that you direct?

[gkrieg13]

I'm Daryl Dixon

I have a bunch of stuff in my pack.  Each night I may choose an item, and if so I target a player.  I am not told what the items do, nor if their use requires targeting a player.  However, I have to target a player in case it does require a target.

Night 1 I selected an old skull ring and targeted EFHW
Night 2 I selected flathead screwdriver and targeted Roadrunner

Apparently, I gave RR the screwdriver.  I can't verify if what he's saying is correct, as I am not informed what the items do, if anything.  I have more items in my pack, but I don't see any benefit in claiming what they are.

EFHW, did you receive the item during Dawn?

I suppose this role is a take on an Inventor.

So did you know what all the items are from the beginning of the game?  Even if you didn't know what they did?

[Ampharos]

Just the name of the power.  Yours is Vet.  I'm not saying the other just in case someone tries to false claim off me, but I know what its name is.

[Witherweaver]

I'm Daryl Dixon

I have a bunch of stuff in my pack.  Each night I may choose an item, and if so I target a player.  I am not told what the items do, nor if their use requires targeting a player.  However, I have to target a player in case it does require a target.

Night 1 I selected an old skull ring and targeted EFHW
Night 2 I selected flathead screwdriver and targeted Roadrunner

Apparently, I gave RR the screwdriver.  I can't verify if what he's saying is correct, as I am not informed what the items do, if anything.  I have more items in my pack, but I don't see any benefit in claiming what they are.

EFHW, did you receive the item during Dawn?

I suppose this role is a take on an Inventor.

So did you know what all the items are from the beginning of the game?  Even if you didn't know what they did?

Yes, I have a list of all the items.

[Witherweaver]

I tried to get more information on their function, but Ash couldn't tell me any more. 

[gkrieg13]

So now is

Hydrad
Ampharos
WW
RR
ADK
EFHW

go go RR

[gkrieg13]

I tried to get more information on their function, but Ash couldn't tell me any more.

Seems like a solid claim.  @EFHW, Did you get anything?

I think I'll go through once we're done and rate all of the claims

[Witherweaver]

I tried to get more information on their function, but Ash couldn't tell me any more.

Seems like a solid claim.  @EFHW, Did you get anything?

I think I'll go through once we're done and rate all of the claims

Softclaiming insurance adjuster~

[gkrieg13]

I tried to get more information on their function, but Ash couldn't tell me any more.

Seems like a solid claim.  @EFHW, Did you get anything?

I think I'll go through once we're done and rate all of the claims

Softclaiming insurance adjuster~

You know it

[EFHW]

I tried to get more information on their function, but Ash couldn't tell me any more.

Seems like a solid claim.  @EFHW, Did you get anything?

I think I'll go through once we're done and rate all of the claims

nope, the dawn event was gkrieg contacting me.

[Roadrunner7671]

Okay.

[Roadrunner7671]

I am the flavor guy. Each night I can submit an 100 word message to Morgan over radio.

[Witherweaver]

Weird.

Can you confirm that you received this screwdriver after last night? 

Also, what about the comic book thing?

[Ampharos]

Uh.

[Hydrad]

thats an interesting power... But I don't really know how its useful.

[gkrieg13]

I am the flavor guy. Each night I can submit an 100 word message to Morgan over radio.

Is that it?

Why would you want protection for that?

[EFHW]

I am the flavor guy. Each night I can submit an 100 word message to Morgan over radio.

Which parts of the flavor we've seen were written by you?

[Roadrunner7671]

I wrote the bolded, not italicized parts. I pretended to be Lori and Sophia.

I didn't full claim because that's not it, there's other stuff.

I recieved a screwdriver last night, I think scum sent me the comic.

[gkrieg13]

I wrote the bolded, not italicized parts. I pretended to be Lori and Sophia.

I didn't full claim because that's not it, there's other stuff.

I recieved a screwdriver last night, I think scum sent me the comic.

Why haven't you told Morgan to come help us out yet?  Just say that you're Rick

[Roadrunner7671]

I wrote the bolded, not italicized parts. I pretended to be Lori and Sophia.

I didn't full claim because that's not it, there's other stuff.

I recieved a screwdriver last night, I think scum sent me the comic.

Why haven't you told Morgan to come help us out yet?  Just say that you're Rick

My flavor name is female.

[gkrieg13]

I wrote the bolded, not italicized parts. I pretended to be Lori and Sophia.

I didn't full claim because that's not it, there's other stuff.

I recieved a screwdriver last night, I think scum sent me the comic.

Why haven't you told Morgan to come help us out yet?  Just say that you're Rick

My flavor name is female.

Well if the flavor is important, it seems like Morgan wants to hear from Rick.  I think we need to get him to the camp somehow

[Roadrunner7671]

I wrote the bolded, not italicized parts. I pretended to be Lori and Sophia.

I didn't full claim because that's not it, there's other stuff.

I recieved a screwdriver last night, I think scum sent me the comic.

Why haven't you told Morgan to come help us out yet?  Just say that you're Rick

My flavor name is female.

Well if the flavor is important, it seems like Morgan wants to hear from Rick.  I think we need to get him to the camp somehow

So do I. I've told him to come (as you can see) and I thought he'd come to the aid of a frightened child.

[EFHW]

Being asked by a dead person must be pretty creepy, though.

[Roadrunner7671]

Being asked by a dead person must be pretty creepy, though.

He doesn't know they're dead!

[Roadrunner7671]

If you trust me vote for a no lynch.

Vote: no lynch

Remember the part of my role that I withheld from you guys? Let's activate that!

[Roadrunner7671]

If you need more convincing I can share something with you.

[gkrieg13]

EFhW then ADK

[SirMartin]

Um...

Before I participate in Roadrunner's shenanigans, I am an IC right?

[Roadrunner7671]

Hold up-I am the only one who noticed Hydrad's scumslip?

[Roadrunner7671]

I guess so?

Let Me explain: Hydrad is a 'wak commuter.' Commuters leave the village and cannot be targetted, ever. He claimed a Hider but he used the wrong name. Weak roles have the target someone. Commuters don't target someone. Hydrad is a hider an other.

[Roadrunner7671]

But we still have to no lynch.

[Hydrad]

I guess so?

Let Me explain: Hydrad is a 'wak commuter.' Commuters leave the village and cannot be targetted, ever. He claimed a Hider but he used the wrong name. Weak roles have the target someone. Commuters don't target someone. Hydrad is a hider an other.

I didn't know hider was a thing which is why I thought I was a commuter.

[A Drowned Kernel]

I'm not 100% I trust you. And after the screwdriver thing, I'm sorry but I'm not 100% sure you know for sure what your role actually does.

[Roadrunner7671]

I guess so?

Let Me explain: Hydrad is a 'wak commuter.' Commuters leave the village and cannot be targetted, ever. He claimed a Hider but he used the wrong name. Weak roles have the target someone. Commuters don't target someone. Hydrad is a hider an other.

I didn't know hider was a thing which is why I thought I was a commuter.

Okay, riddle me this: What is your second part to your role?

[Roadrunner7671]

I'm not 100% I trust you. And after the screwdriver thing, I'm sorry but I'm not 100% sure you know for sure what your role actually does.

You jest, right?

The screwdriver thing is why I'm towny.

[Hydrad]

I guess so?

Let Me explain: Hydrad is a 'wak commuter.' Commuters leave the village and cannot be targetted, ever. He claimed a Hider but he used the wrong name. Weak roles have the target someone. Commuters don't target someone. Hydrad is a hider an other.

I didn't know hider was a thing which is why I thought I was a commuter.

Okay, riddle me this: What is your second part to your role?

basically a 1 shot commuter. I think I claimed that already.

[A Drowned Kernel]

I'm not 100% I trust you. And after the screwdriver thing, I'm sorry but I'm not 100% sure you know for sure what your role actually does.

You jest, right?

The screwdriver thing is why I'm towny.

Right but you apparently didn't understand that you couldn't use it outside the day action window. Which could mean that it was something that you made up. And even if it isn't, the last time you asked us to do something on faith (keeping faust alive) it turned out to be a bad idea, in part because you didn't understand how your role worked.

[gkrieg13]

I think if we are mass claiming, we are full claiming. No secrets about your role.

[Ampharos]

Before we go all vote crazy, let's hear the ones who haven't gone yet.

[Roadrunner7671]

Before we go all vote crazy, let's hear the ones who haven't gone yet.

[Witherweaver]

No lynching now is not a good idea.  We have a vig, some kind of night kill, possible zombification, etc.  Getting down to odd now is no guarantee that will last long.

Sir Martin, could you verify who you hit Night 1 and 2?  Like, for the record. 

[Witherweaver]

I'm not 100% I trust you. And after the screwdriver thing, I'm sorry but I'm not 100% sure you know for sure what your role actually does.

You jest, right?

The screwdriver thing is why I'm towny.

How does it make you townie?  I didn't even know what would happen when I targeted you.

[ashersky]

Vote Count 3.6:

Hydrad (1): ADK
Roadrunner7671 (1): Witherweaver
No Lynch (1): Roadrunner7671

Not Voting (5): gkrieg13, Hydrad, SirMartin, Ampharos, EFHW

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Day 3 will end on April 17 at 3:30 p.m.

[Ampharos]

Okay, let's speed this up.  Still need claims from ADK and EFHW.  We're down to 3 days and change.

[Witherweaver]

I guess so?

Let Me explain: Hydrad is a 'wak commuter.' Commuters leave the village and cannot be targetted, ever. He claimed a Hider but he used the wrong name. Weak roles have the target someone. Commuters don't target someone. Hydrad is a hider an other.

I don't think this is a scumslip. 

[Ampharos]

Okay maybe it's not but you have to admit his claim is easiest for a scum to be at this point. 

[Witherweaver]

Yeah, but scum tend to have much cleaner claims. 

[Ampharos]

What about scum!Hydrad

[Witherweaver]

What about scum!Hydrad

I feel like there was another game where he did something like this.  I don't remember if he was town or scum in it. 

[A Drowned Kernel]

I'll claim after EFHW.

[gkrieg13]

EFHW, where are you?

[EFHW]

I am Carol Peletier, the Motherly Widow.

My role has 4 components.

COMMUNICATE: I can send a message to scum during Twilight.
SMILE: 1-shot nk-proof. I charm my attacker with my smile.
COWER: 1-shot hider. If I hide behind someone who is not alive I also become not alive.  If I hide behind an enemy of the Group, I get shot in the head. Smile does not apply if I hide.
RAGE: This is basically a vengeful.

[Ampharos]

ADK gogo

[A Drowned Kernel]

I'm a Useful Bystander

I have four night-based one-shots:

Watcher- used this on faust N1, got the e/Hydrad result.
Tracker- used this on EFHW last night. She didn't target anyone.
Bodyguard
An ability that's like bodyguard but for walker bites (I target someone and if they would get bit, I get bit instead).

I can send someone a 100-word message during the day. I sent one to WW on day one anonymously asking if he was worth bodyguarding, as far as I can tell he never responded, which is fair. Day two I sent faust my result, which he claimed. Today I didn't send a message in the confusion of the faust stuff.

I thought about whether I should claim this last bit, but I don't think I'm ever going to use it at this point, so here goes: during Twilight, I can take the place of the person being lynched and get lynched instead. This seem incredibly anti-town to me, so I don't think there's a chance of me using, especially at this point.

[A Drowned Kernel]

Honestly, if we're going by claims, Hydrad, Amph, and WW's look the weakest to me, so I'd be okay lynching in there.

Probably vote: Amph

[Ampharos]

Mine's basically confirmed by GK, but do whatever man.

WW, did you get that message?

[Ampharos]

RR - are you able to give anyone the radio?

[EFHW]

Mine's basically confirmed by GK, but do whatever man.

I don't think it is exactly confirmed by gkrieg because there are some discrepancies.  You said you only sent him 2 names, and that one of them was WW.

Did you know it was gkrieg you were directing?  How come you don't know who the second person was, and why do you think they are dead?  What names did you send?

@gkrieg - How were you able to target 3 people in 2 nights?  Also, did you have any choice in who you targeted or were you given names from ash?

[A Drowned Kernel]

Sure, but that doesn't mean you don't have that power as scum.

[Witherweaver]

Mine's basically confirmed by GK, but do whatever man.

WW, did you get that message?

What message?

[EFHW]

Being asked by a dead person must be pretty creepy, though.

He doesn't know they're dead!

It sounded to me like you thought Rick was a player, so then they would know who was dead.

[EFHW]

Mine's basically confirmed by GK, but do whatever man.

WW, did you get that message?

What message?

From ADK re: bodyguarding

[Ampharos]

Thoughts on the claims:

ADK - If WW can confirm he got the message, this is a decent claim.  It's still not outside the realm of a solid scum claim though.
EFHW - Not a huge fan of this claim - it's an easy scum claim, and the vengeful thing dissuades kills.
gkrieg13 - Obviously town seeing as he's my Vet person.  Still not 100% sure what it does though... would be nice to know since I'm directing it.
Hydrad - Probably the scummiest of the claims.
Roadrunner7671 - Crazy claim - I have to give town points for this one.  Could defo be scum though.  If he is, it means he's really picking up his game, cause I'm reading lots of town RR here.
SirMartin - Probably town.  No one else is taking claim for kills.
Witherweaver - Claim feels kind of townie, but could be scum I guess.  Though if RR is town, he wouldn't really be giving out tools to townies, would he?  Well maybe he would...

Vote: Hydrad

PPE 5

[Witherweaver]

Oh, I missed ADK's claim.

I can send someone a 100-word message during the day. I sent one to WW on day one anonymously asking if he was worth bodyguarding, as far as I can tell he never responded, which is fair. Day two I sent faust my result, which he claimed. Today I didn't send a message in the confusion of the faust stuff.

There is something in my QT.  This was during the few days where I wasn't online.  When I saw it, it was already late, and it wasn't worded in such a way that it was necessarily a message to me.  It was worded such that I could have overheard it, making me think it may have been between two other people.  There wasn't any 'respond' option.

At any rate, I didn't know how to take it and didn't do anything with it.

[Ampharos]

Mine's basically confirmed by GK, but do whatever man.

I don't think it is exactly confirmed by gkrieg because there are some discrepancies.  You said you only sent him 2 names, and that one of them was WW.

Did you know it was gkrieg you were directing?  How come you don't know who the second person was, and why do you think they are dead?  What names did you send?

@gkrieg - How were you able to target 3 people in 2 nights?  Also, did you have any choice in who you targeted or were you given names from ash?

True, it's not 100% cleared.  I knew it was GK caused I asked a while ago if "vet" meant anything to anyone, and he said yes.  Unless someone else had knowledge of the situation, then he's it.  And his claim confirms that.  I never asked about the second person, because the name of the power "Snoop", makes more sense as to what it does, in a general sense.  Plus if I started asking all these questions, that might have unintended consequences.  In hindsight maybe I should have.  I think they're dead because so many people are dead already, and odds are good they're dead, which it looks like they are.  As previously mentioned, I told them to target Chairs and then SirMartin.

PPE

[Witherweaver]

I am Carol Peletier, the Motherly Widow.

My role has 4 components.

COMMUNICATE: I can send a message to scum during Twilight.
SMILE: 1-shot nk-proof. I charm my attacker with my smile.
COWER: 1-shot hider. If I hide behind someone who is not alive I also become not alive.  If I hide behind an enemy of the Group, I get shot in the head. Smile does not apply if I hide.
RAGE: This is basically a vengeful.

Have you sent messages?  Who is 'scum'?

[EFHW]

I am Carol Peletier, the Motherly Widow.

My role has 4 components.

COMMUNICATE: I can send a message to scum during Twilight.
SMILE: 1-shot nk-proof. I charm my attacker with my smile.
COWER: 1-shot hider. If I hide behind someone who is not alive I also become not alive.  If I hide behind an enemy of the Group, I get shot in the head. Smile does not apply if I hide.
RAGE: This is basically a vengeful.

Have you sent messages?  Who is 'scum'?

No, I couldn't think of anything useful to say. "Scum" is my paraphrase.  The original implied that a single opposing player would get my message.

[Witherweaver]

But there are Walkers and Others.

[EFHW]

But there are Walkers and Others.

I know.  Originally I assumed walkers couldn't read.  But since they were able to post, I guess the wording could apply to them, too.  Either way, I couldn't think of what to say.  It's the kind of power that sounds really cool but then it's hard to think of a way to make it useful.

[gkrieg13]

Ok I'm glad we had a lot of interaction from the mass claim.

I'll answer a few questions and full claim at this point.

I am Hershel Greene. 

I can target people to make a classroom any time that I'm not in a classroom with someone.  So that means it takes one period to target, one period where the neighborhood is open, then one period where it is closed, so I can open one every three periods, although I've decided it is better to have open at night, because that is when people pay more attention to their QTs anyway.

Vet is just a doctor for NK.  Amph gives me the target and I either doctor them from a NK if they are alive, or get bit if they are dead.  I didn't know Amph didn't know this, so I thought it was weird that he had me target WW last night, because I was pretty certain he wouldn't be the NK. 

I also can't hammer, as you guys have already seen.

I think at this point, I would lynch between Hydrad and WW.  I wouldn't be surprised if they were the two scum honestly.

[Roadrunner7671]

RR - are you able to give anyone the radio?

No.

[Roadrunner7671]

I think lynching Hydrad is a strong play tomorrow. His claim is so bad!

[gkrieg13]

Sorry not WW. I like his claim.  Would definitely lynch Hydrad though

[Ampharos]

We're not going to no lynch if we don't have a good reason to... so you'll probably have to tell us why.

[gkrieg13]

I would like everyone to full claim if they already haven't.  I'm looking at you RR

[Witherweaver]

So... both Hydrad and EFHW have some kind of Hider ability?

[Roadrunner7671]

I would like everyone to full claim if they already haven't.  I'm looking at you RR

Alrighty.

I am Andrea, the Stubborn Peacemaker.

Each night I can intercept the radio and say whatever.

I can also stop all night kills at night once during the game. I want to do this tonight, hence the no lynch. If we lynch someone we can't kill the walker during the night.

[Witherweaver]

Um.. so then what's the point?  Give another round of night actions?  Prolonging game state gives more chances to get bit.

[Ampharos]

What happens if you don't intercept the radio?

[Roadrunner7671]

What happens if you don't intercept the radio?

I don't know

[Hydrad]

Wait. Why is my claim scummy? Because I didn't know the name of it?

[Roadrunner7671]

Wait. Why is my claim scummy? Because I didn't know the name of it?

You're withholding something.

[Hydrad]

Wait. Why is my claim scummy? Because I didn't know the name of it?

You're withholding something.

Well. I don't know how to prove for you...

[gkrieg13]

Wait. Why is my claim scummy? Because I didn't know the name of it?

Everyone else has lots of stuff that goes along with their role. Yours just seems underwhelming

[EFHW]

I would like everyone to full claim if they already haven't.  I'm looking at you RR

Alrighty.

I am Andrea, the Stubborn Peacemaker.

Each night I can intercept the radio and say whatever.

I can also stop all night kills at night once during the game. I want to do this tonight, hence the no lynch. If we lynch someone we can't kill the walker during the night.

no lynch, no nk, we're in the same position tomorrow as today.  Is there a benefit to that?

[EFHW]

So... both Hydrad and EFHW have some kind of Hider ability?

Hydrad's isn't really weak or hider though - in those roles, something bad happens if you target scum.

There should be a role called "tailgater" - you speed along unnoticed in someone's wake until they suddenly stop (die) and then you die.  That sounds more like Hydrad's role to me.

[Witherweaver]

Oh.. wait ..

Hydrad, what happens if you hide behind scum?

[gkrieg13]

Um...

Before I participate in Roadrunner's shenanigans, I am an IC right?

I don't know why this needs to be the case, but yes I guess

[gkrieg13]

Does anyone have the ex-Sheriff's Deputy role?

[gkrieg13]

Hydrad, what is your flavor name and the name of your action?

[Roadrunner7671]

I would like everyone to full claim if they already haven't.  I'm looking at you RR

Alrighty.

I am Andrea, the Stubborn Peacemaker.

Each night I can intercept the radio and say whatever.

I can also stop all night kills at night once during the game. I want to do this tonight, hence the no lynch. If we lynch someone we can't kill the walker during the night.

no lynch, no nk, we're in the same position tomorrow as today.  Is there a benefit to that?

Non-killing night actions.

[A Drowned Kernel]

I would like everyone to full claim if they already haven't.  I'm looking at you RR

Alrighty.

I am Andrea, the Stubborn Peacemaker.

Each night I can intercept the radio and say whatever.

I can also stop all night kills at night once during the game. I want to do this tonight, hence the no lynch. If we lynch someone we can't kill the walker during the night.

no lynch, no nk, we're in the same position tomorrow as today.  Is there a benefit to that?

Non-killing night actions.

I don't think anyone claimed anything investigative besides my used one shots so that seems pointless.

[gkrieg13]

Agreed

vote: Hydrad

[Roadrunner7671]

I would like everyone to full claim if they already haven't.  I'm looking at you RR

Alrighty.

I am Andrea, the Stubborn Peacemaker.

Each night I can intercept the radio and say whatever.

I can also stop all night kills at night once during the game. I want to do this tonight, hence the no lynch. If we lynch someone we can't kill the walker during the night.

no lynch, no nk, we're in the same position tomorrow as today.  Is there a benefit to that?

Non-killing night actions.

I don't think anyone claimed anything investigative besides my used one shots so that seems pointless.

It doesn't have to be investigation. Maybe we can get Morgan (aka the mod of the game) to join the group.

[Ampharos]

Just a heads up I will be losing internet access in about 12 hours for at least a day.  Should be back on Sunday though.

I do like the Hydrad lynch here.

It probably is worthwhile to think about RR's proposal though, because we are at 8.

[Ampharos]

Never mind haha.  There wouldn't be a kill, so we'd still be at 8. 

[Roadrunner7671]

It probably is worthwhile to think about RR's proposal though, because we are at 8.

You misunderstood me. This isn't a proposal.

[gkrieg13]

It probably is worthwhile to think about RR's proposal though, because we are at 8.

You misunderstood me. This isn't a proposal.

Are you saying your power will happen tonight?

[A Drowned Kernel]

I mean I'm in favor of a lynch anyway, and won't vote no lynch.

I think my top lynch choices are Hydrad and Amph. How do people feel about those? Let's get a freakin' wagon going for once in this game.

[Roadrunner7671]

It probably is worthwhile to think about RR's proposal though, because we are at 8.

You misunderstood me. This isn't a proposal.

Are you saying your power will happen tonight?

Probably. If we lynch scum (Hydrad) maybe not.

[gkrieg13]

I mean I'm in favor of a lynch anyway, and won't vote no lynch.

I think my top lynch choices are Hydrad and Amph. How do people feel about those? Let's get a freakin' wagon going for once in this game.

I think Hydrad has two votes for him

[A Drowned Kernel]

Vote: Hydrad that's three.

[Witherweaver]

Vote: Hydrad

is L-1.

[Roadrunner7671]

Wow

[ashersky]

Vote Count 3.7:

No Lynch (1): Roadrunner7671
Hydrad (4): Ampharos, gkrieg13, ADK, Witherweaver

Not Voting (3): Hydrad, SirMartin, EFHW

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Day 3 will end on April 17 at 3:30 p.m.

[EFHW]

Intent to hammer.  Any final words, Hydrad?

[Roadrunner7671]

Intent to hammer.  Any final words, Hydrad?

Let him speak

[Witherweaver]

I would like him to clarify. 

[Hydrad]

ok I'm just going to "paraphrase" my role then.

Run: Once at Night and once at Day, you may run. No one can target you that game phase.

Hide: Choose another player to hide behind. If the player you target is alive, You cannot be targeted. If your target is not alive, you will be bit. If your target is killed while you are hiding you die with them.

So the reason I said I was weak commuter was because I assumed that was the closest role I could think of that is like this.

although I doubt this will change your mind at all.

[gkrieg13]

unvote

That looks a lot more like a role in this game.  Still pretty easy to fake though.

Who have your targets been?

[gkrieg13]

I'll do a claim collection and assessment to avoid studying for tests

[Hydrad]

unvote

That looks a lot more like a role in this game.  Still pretty easy to fake though.

Who have your targets been?

N1: faust.

N2: gkreig.

is it really that easy to fake though? If someone targetted me or something they would know I'm lying.

[gkrieg13]

All I feel compelled to say is that I'm the vig and yes, I have a sword.

Giving away more than that really doesn't do much for the town but it would help others.

Who's next?

So basically, I tell GK who to target.  I told him faust night 1, and then WW night two, so looks like we're dealing with some sort of re-direct here.  I'm pretty sure he has to take my advice on who to target.   I had no idea what his power did or who had that power, just the name of it, thus me super-subtly asking if "vet" meant anything to anyone.  He responded, and since faust basically cleared him with that one post, I think we're good.  I believe he should be able to confirm that I had him target WW.  I'm not sure how he's done it to 3 people.

I also tell someone else what to do, in exactly the same fashion, but it wouldn't surprise me if they're dead.  I had them target Chairs night one and SirMartin night two.  I haven't seen anything to make me thing they're still alive though. 

I also have some night immunity, but I'm not going into depths on how much, because why would I want to spoil all the fun

I'm Daryl Dixon

I have a bunch of stuff in my pack.  Each night I may choose an item, and if so I target a player.  I am not told what the items do, nor if their use requires targeting a player.  However, I have to target a player in case it does require a target.

Night 1 I selected an old skull ring and targeted EFHW
Night 2 I selected flathead screwdriver and targeted Roadrunner

Apparently, I gave RR the screwdriver.  I can't verify if what he's saying is correct, as I am not informed what the items do, if anything.  I have more items in my pack, but I don't see any benefit in claiming what they are.

EFHW, did you receive the item during Dawn?

I suppose this role is a take on an Inventor.

I am Carol Peletier, the Motherly Widow.

My role has 4 components.

COMMUNICATE: I can send a message to scum during Twilight.
SMILE: 1-shot nk-proof. I charm my attacker with my smile.
COWER: 1-shot hider. If I hide behind someone who is not alive I also become not alive.  If I hide behind an enemy of the Group, I get shot in the head. Smile does not apply if I hide.
RAGE: This is basically a vengeful.

I'm a Useful Bystander

I have four night-based one-shots:

Watcher- used this on faust N1, got the e/Hydrad result.
Tracker- used this on EFHW last night. She didn't target anyone.
Bodyguard
An ability that's like bodyguard but for walker bites (I target someone and if they would get bit, I get bit instead).

I can send someone a 100-word message during the day. I sent one to WW on day one anonymously asking if he was worth bodyguarding, as far as I can tell he never responded, which is fair. Day two I sent faust my result, which he claimed. Today I didn't send a message in the confusion of the faust stuff.

I thought about whether I should claim this last bit, but I don't think I'm ever going to use it at this point, so here goes: during Twilight, I can take the place of the person being lynched and get lynched instead. This seem incredibly anti-town to me, so I don't think there's a chance of me using, especially at this point.

Ok I'm glad we had a lot of interaction from the mass claim.

I'll answer a few questions and full claim at this point.

I am Hershel Greene. 

I can target people to make a classroom any time that I'm not in a classroom with someone.  So that means it takes one period to target, one period where the neighborhood is open, then one period where it is closed, so I can open one every three periods, although I've decided it is better to have open at night, because that is when people pay more attention to their QTs anyway.

Vet is just a doctor for NK.  Amph gives me the target and I either doctor them from a NK if they are alive, or get bit if they are dead.  I didn't know Amph didn't know this, so I thought it was weird that he had me target WW last night, because I was pretty certain he wouldn't be the NK. 

I also can't hammer, as you guys have already seen.

I think at this point, I would lynch between Hydrad and WW.  I wouldn't be surprised if they were the two scum honestly.

I would like everyone to full claim if they already haven't.  I'm looking at you RR

Alrighty.

I am Andrea, the Stubborn Peacemaker.

Each night I can intercept the radio and say whatever.

I can also stop all night kills at night once during the game. I want to do this tonight, hence the no lynch. If we lynch someone we can't kill the walker during the night.

ok I'm just going to "paraphrase" my role then.

Run: Once at Night and once at Day, you may run. No one can target you that game phase.

Hide: Choose another player to hide behind. If the player you target is alive, You cannot be targeted. If your target is not alive, you will be bit. If your target is killed while you are hiding you die with them.

So the reason I said I was weak commuter was because I assumed that was the closest role I could think of that is like this.

although I doubt this will change your mind at all.

[Witherweaver]

unvote

That looks a lot more like a role in this game.  Still pretty easy to fake though.

Who have your targets been?

N1: faust.

N2: gkreig.

is it really that easy to fake though? If someone targetted me or something they would know I'm lying.

.... If someone targetted you...

Hide: Choose another player to hide behind. If the player you target is alive, You cannot be targeted. If your target is not alive, you will be bit. If your target is killed while you are hiding you die with them.

[gkrieg13]

Ok now I have a ton of questions for people.  I'll bold who they're directed at

Weird.

Can you confirm that you received this screwdriver after last night? 

Also, what about the comic book thing?

@RR What about the comic book thing?

[gkrieg13]

No lynching now is not a good idea.  We have a vig, some kind of night kill, possible zombification, etc.  Getting down to odd now is no guarantee that will last long.

Sir Martin, could you verify who you hit Night 1 and 2?  Like, for the record.

@SirMartin, could you do this please?

[Witherweaver]

Oh, I see, you're saying that if someone was able to target you then they can counterclaim you.  As long as your target was alive.

[Witherweaver]

No lynching now is not a good idea.  We have a vig, some kind of night kill, possible zombification, etc.  Getting down to odd now is no guarantee that will last long.

Sir Martin, could you verify who you hit Night 1 and 2?  Like, for the record.

@SirMartin, could you do this please?

And, you know, reasons why.

[Roadrunner7671]

What about the comic book?

I recieved it. It appears to do nothing.

[SirMartin]

No lynching now is not a good idea.  We have a vig, some kind of night kill, possible zombification, etc.  Getting down to odd now is no guarantee that will last long.

Sir Martin, could you verify who you hit Night 1 and 2?  Like, for the record.

@SirMartin, could you do this please?

First night it was Haddock, then it was 2.7. No redirection here.

[gkrieg13]

I am Carol Peletier, the Motherly Widow.

My role has 4 components.

COMMUNICATE: I can send a message to scum during Twilight.
SMILE: 1-shot nk-proof. I charm my attacker with my smile.
COWER: 1-shot hider. If I hide behind someone who is not alive I also become not alive.  If I hide behind an enemy of the Group, I get shot in the head. Smile does not apply if I hide.
RAGE: This is basically a vengeful.

@EFHW  In our neighborhood, you said that you become not alive.  you then proceeded to tell me that you don't know what not alive really means.  I'm pretty sure everyone else has had the terminology "get bit". 

vote: EFHW

[gkrieg13]

I'm a Useful Bystander

I have four night-based one-shots:

Watcher- used this on faust N1, got the e/Hydrad result.
Tracker- used this on EFHW last night. She didn't target anyone.
Bodyguard
An ability that's like bodyguard but for walker bites (I target someone and if they would get bit, I get bit instead).

I can send someone a 100-word message during the day. I sent one to WW on day one anonymously asking if he was worth bodyguarding, as far as I can tell he never responded, which is fair. Day two I sent faust my result, which he claimed. Today I didn't send a message in the confusion of the faust stuff.

I thought about whether I should claim this last bit, but I don't think I'm ever going to use it at this point, so here goes: during Twilight, I can take the place of the person being lynched and get lynched instead. This seem incredibly anti-town to me, so I don't think there's a chance of me using, especially at this point.

@ADK  What are the flavor names of your actions?

[gkrieg13]

I would like everyone to full claim if they already haven't.  I'm looking at you RR

Alrighty.

I am Andrea, the Stubborn Peacemaker.

Each night I can intercept the radio and say whatever.

I can also stop all night kills at night once during the game. I want to do this tonight, hence the no lynch. If we lynch someone we can't kill the walker during the night.

@RR Why not just claim to be Rick tonight?

[gkrieg13]

Does anyone have the ex-Sheriff's Deputy role?

@Everyone  Can you answer this question for me?

[gkrieg13]

ok I'm just going to "paraphrase" my role then.

Run: Once at Night and once at Day, you may run. No one can target you that game phase.

Hide: Choose another player to hide behind. If the player you target is alive, You cannot be targeted. If your target is not alive, you will be bit. If your target is killed while you are hiding you die with them.

So the reason I said I was weak commuter was because I assumed that was the closest role I could think of that is like this.

although I doubt this will change your mind at all.

@Hydrad Why did you target faust N1?  Can you hide behind an enemy of the group?

[Ampharos]

Does anyone have the ex-Sheriff's Deputy role?

@Everyone  Can you answer this question for me?

No, but didn't Faust say he had something like this?  I can't go back and check atm but my memory is tickling.

[gkrieg13]

What about the comic book?

I recieved it. It appears to do nothing.

Can you read anything from it?

[gkrieg13]

Does anyone have the ex-Sheriff's Deputy role?

@Everyone  Can you answer this question for me?

No, but didn't Faust say he had something like this?  I can't go back and check atm but my memory is tickling.

Yes he did, and I want to know if someone had it.  He was just the backup for it.

[gkrieg13]

No lynching now is not a good idea.  We have a vig, some kind of night kill, possible zombification, etc.  Getting down to odd now is no guarantee that will last long.

Sir Martin, could you verify who you hit Night 1 and 2?  Like, for the record.

@SirMartin, could you do this please?

First night it was Haddock, then it was 2.7. No redirection here.

Why did you pick Haddock N1?

[Witherweaver]

What about the comic book?

I recieved it. It appears to do nothing.

When did you receive this?  It wasn't from me.

[Witherweaver]

Does anyone have the ex-Sheriff's Deputy role?

@Everyone  Can you answer this question for me?

No, but didn't Faust say he had something like this?  I can't go back and check atm but my memory is tickling.

Yes he did, and I want to know if someone had it.  He was just the backup for it.

He may not have been telling the truth.

[gkrieg13]

Does anyone have the ex-Sheriff's Deputy role?

@Everyone  Can you answer this question for me?

No, but didn't Faust say he had something like this?  I can't go back and check atm but my memory is tickling.

Yes he did, and I want to know if someone had it.  He was just the backup for it.

He may not have been telling the truth.

He was a member of the group in the end though.  I was confirmed town in the neighborhood, so there isn't really a point to lie

[Roadrunner7671]

I would like everyone to full claim if they already haven't.  I'm looking at you RR

Alrighty.

I am Andrea, the Stubborn Peacemaker.

Each night I can intercept the radio and say whatever.

I can also stop all night kills at night once during the game. I want to do this tonight, hence the no lynch. If we lynch someone we can't kill the walker during the night.

@RR Why not just claim to be Rick tonight?

We've been over this. If a guy calls you and claims to be your sister, are you gonna say 'sure, sis! You sound just like my gkrieg12!'

[gkrieg13]

I would like everyone to full claim if they already haven't.  I'm looking at you RR

Alrighty.

I am Andrea, the Stubborn Peacemaker.

Each night I can intercept the radio and say whatever.

I can also stop all night kills at night once during the game. I want to do this tonight, hence the no lynch. If we lynch someone we can't kill the walker during the night.

@RR Why not just claim to be Rick tonight?

We've been over this. If a guy calls you and claims to be your sister, are you gonna say 'sure, sis! You sound just like my gkrieg12!'

Why not just try it.  Tell him that Rick is begging him to come into camp or something.  He didn't come to a scared child, maybe you can tell him there aren't any walkers here or just pretend to be Rick and tell him to come in.

[Hydrad]

ok I'm just going to "paraphrase" my role then.

Run: Once at Night and once at Day, you may run. No one can target you that game phase.

Hide: Choose another player to hide behind. If the player you target is alive, You cannot be targeted. If your target is not alive, you will be bit. If your target is killed while you are hiding you die with them.

So the reason I said I was weak commuter was because I assumed that was the closest role I could think of that is like this.

although I doubt this will change your mind at all.

@Hydrad Why did you target faust N1?  Can you hide behind an enemy of the group?

Faust I felt like would be a high Doctor target. And I think I can hide behind them. It doesn't mention them specifically unless the fall under the not alive category.

[A Drowned Kernel]

I'm a Useful Bystander

I have four night-based one-shots:

Watcher- used this on faust N1, got the e/Hydrad result.
Tracker- used this on EFHW last night. She didn't target anyone.
Bodyguard
An ability that's like bodyguard but for walker bites (I target someone and if they would get bit, I get bit instead).

I can send someone a 100-word message during the day. I sent one to WW on day one anonymously asking if he was worth bodyguarding, as far as I can tell he never responded, which is fair. Day two I sent faust my result, which he claimed. Today I didn't send a message in the confusion of the faust stuff.

I thought about whether I should claim this last bit, but I don't think I'm ever going to use it at this point, so here goes: during Twilight, I can take the place of the person being lynched and get lynched instead. This seem incredibly anti-town to me, so I don't think there's a chance of me using, especially at this point.

@ADK  What are the flavor names of your actions?

Track, watch, defend, shield, chat, sacrifice. I'm also not the deputy whatever thing.

[EFHW]

I am Carol Peletier, the Motherly Widow.

My role has 4 components.

COMMUNICATE: I can send a message to scum during Twilight.
SMILE: 1-shot nk-proof. I charm my attacker with my smile.
COWER: 1-shot hider. If I hide behind someone who is not alive I also become not alive.  If I hide behind an enemy of the Group, I get shot in the head. Smile does not apply if I hide.
RAGE: This is basically a vengeful.

@EFHW  In our neighborhood, you said that you become not alive.  you then proceeded to tell me that you don't know what not alive really means.  I'm pretty sure everyone else has had the terminology "get bit". 

vote: EFHW

That's what it said, though.

[A Drowned Kernel]

Anyone else have any opinions? Otherwise I'm just going to go back to voting EFHW.

[Roadrunner7671]

Anyone else have any opinions? Otherwise I'm just going to go back to voting EFHW.

Why EFHW over Hydrad?

[Hydrad]

I'm not the deputy thing either.

[A Drowned Kernel]

I'd vote for either but gkrieg (who's an IC to me) has switched. I feel better about sheeping him. And Sir Martin, I suppose. I'd stay on Hydrad if that gained more momentum.

Really I just want a lynch.

[ashersky]

Vote Count 3.8:

No Lynch (1): Roadrunner7671
Hydrad (3): Ampharos, ADK, Witherweaver
EFHW (1): gkrieg13

Not Voting (3): Hydrad, SirMartin, EFHW

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Day 3 will end on April 17 at 3:30 p.m.

That's in ~10 hours.

[A Drowned Kernel]

Seriously?

[A Drowned Kernel]

I'm not going to be here for deadline. If someone wants me to change my vote, say so now.

[gkrieg13]

Cmon guys. Let's lynch EFHW

[Roadrunner7671]

Vote: Hydrad

[Hydrad]

Vote: efhw

[Roadrunner7671]

Vote: Hydrad

L-1 by the way

[SirMartin]

I'll hammer closer to the deadline.

[Ampharos]

Back to internet access!  Looks like I didnt miss much

[ashersky]

Vote Count 3.9:

Hydrad (4): Ampharos, ADK, Witherweaver, Roadrunner7671
EFHW (2): gkrieg13, Hydrad

Not Voting (3): SirMartin, EFHW

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Day 3 will end on April 17 at 3:30 p.m.

That's in ~2 hours.

[SirMartin]

Vote: Hydrad

Hopefully this works!

[ashersky]

Final Day 3 Vote Count:

Hydrad (5): Ampharos, ADK, Witherweaver, Roadrunner7671, SirMartin
EFHW (2): gkrieg13, Hydrad

Not Voting (1): EFHW

With 8 alive, it took 5 to lynch.

Twilight 3 begins now and will last at least 4 hours.

[ashersky]

Hydrad was lynched and has passed away.  You notice he's missing an arm and has a knife wound in his forehead, killing him.  He was Beth Greene, the Farmer's Other Daughter, an Other.


Roadrunner7671 was brutally murdered by EFHW.  His head, his face, everything is destroyed.  EFHW is covered in his blood.  Roadrunner7671 was Andrea, the Stubborn Peacemaker, a member of The Group.


Night 3 begins now and lasts 48 hours.  Orders are due within 24 hours.

[ashersky]

During the night...

gkrieg13 died from a bullet through the head.  He was Hershel Greene, the Father Figure, a member of The Group.

EFHW's head lays separate from her body, having been cut off.  Looking closely, and you can see a bullet hole in the side of it.  She was Carol Peletier, the Motherly Widow, an Other.

[ashersky]

Dawn 4 Status:

Not Voting (4): Ampharos, SirMartin, Witherweaver, A Drowned Kernel

With 4 alive, it will take 3 to lynch.

Dawn 4 begins now and will last at least 4 hours.

[ashersky]

Rick...I'm still here.  I don't know what the hell is going on down there, and I'm not sure I want to...

Is anyone there?  Is anyone left?  Just know, if there are, I will clear.  I will always clear.

Morgan out.



Thread unlocked.  Day 4 has begun.

[A Drowned Kernel]

I'm pretty sure this is "Sir Martin is a SK"

[A Drowned Kernel]

Maybe we should no-lynch to test the theory?

[A Drowned Kernel]

No, I don't think we can figure it out like that.

vote: Sir Martin

[Witherweaver]

why?

No lynch could be problematic regardless; we don't know if bites can still happen.

[Ampharos]

Looks like it is just us 4 - no one else is listed in the voting list. 

I never even thought about the Sir Martin being an SK thing. 

[A Drowned Kernel]

It makes more sense than a four-person scum team. And Sir Martin's been pretty quiet and non-confrontational this game, which is consistent with SK play.

If no one got bit last night I think we don't really have to worry about bites any more.

[Witherweaver]

Wait.

EFHW had her head cut off and a bullet through the head.  That implies two killers.

[A Drowned Kernel]

I mean I could do a detailed reread but to me that's the most likely scenario. Do either of you believe the other or myself to be scum?

PPE: maybe, but Hydrad had two kill flavors, maybe everyone just gets auto-headwounded now that the Walkers are gone.

[A Drowned Kernel]

I mean, what's the explanation for that? There's a SK who has the same kill flavor as the Others and decided to kill EFHW?

[Witherweaver]

Okay, well I didn't do it and you didn't do it.  Ampharos?

Also, Sir Martin, did you get anything last night?

[A Drowned Kernel]

The night one kill flavors were: bullet wound, head cut off, modkilled, suicide (I just noticed silver and Limetime were both "smitten" so I guess they were lovers and that's why silver died).

Night two, also bullet wound and head cut off. Only two kills.

Night, bullet wound and head cut off+bullet wound. Maybe gkrieg had a vengeful ability?

[Witherweaver]

The night one kill flavors were: bullet wound, head cut off, modkilled, suicide (I just noticed silver and Limetime were both "smitten" so I guess they were lovers and that's why silver died).

Night two, also bullet wound and head cut off. Only two kills.

Night, bullet wound and head cut off+bullet wound. Maybe gkrieg had a vengeful ability?

That makes sense I guess. 

[A Drowned Kernel]

EFHW claimed a vengeful ability. A one-shot reflection or something seems like a likely thing for a SK to have.

[SirMartin]

Two things:

I recieved a soiled rag covered in guts (nice).

Also, a full claim is in order.

[Ampharos]

I have no killing abilities.  I did tell GK to vet himself though.

[SirMartin]

I am Michonne, the Wary Survivor With a Heart

Each night I can chop a head.

I was immune to getting bitten twice (in the show Michonne has 'pet' walkers that keep other walkers away).

And if I kill three or more people, I become part of the group.

[Witherweaver]

Two things:

I recieved a soiled rag covered in guts (nice).

Also, a full claim is in order.

I gave you the rag, but for me it just said 'soiled rag'.

[A Drowned Kernel]

I am very dubious of that claim.

[A Drowned Kernel]

Why didn't you fullclaim yesterday?

[Witherweaver]

I'm going to reread before voting.

Does the rag do anything?

[A Drowned Kernel]

Also, why did you kill people every night?

[A Drowned Kernel]

Also, what's your explanation for not dying to efhw's vengeful ability?

[A Drowned Kernel]

What was your previous win condition, and what is it now?

[Ampharos]

Can I please please stress we don't do voting until we're sure?

We have no idea who is secretly hated and such. 

[Ampharos]

Doing a somewhat quick re-read. 

ADK consistently votes for scum, over and over.  He's voted for all 3 that have flipped at this point. 

He is also pretty consistent over the whole game, and prods the game when it moves slowly. 

[Ampharos]

WW has played a clean game and feels towny, but is definitely not outside the realm of possibility of being scum.

Also, what is Morgan talking about with this "I will clear" business?

[Ampharos]

The whole "SirMartin is a SK" thing makes a whole lot of sense rereading, but there's also some confirmation bias in there I'm sure.

I'm just struggling with some of the questions ADK had for him previously.  Like what was your wincon before killing 3 people? Also, it's awfully convenient to have to kill 3 people as well.  Last 3 nights is pretty tough to do, seeing how few of us are alive.

We do need to work out if we are indeed lynching today.  I'm leaning towards yes.

[Ampharos]

If there's one thing against ADK, it's how quickly he voted today.

[Ampharos]

Last thing for now:

I told GK to vet himself yet he still died... looks like our killer is unblockable.

[Witherweaver]

Last thing for now:

I told GK to vet himself yet he still died... looks like our killer is unblockable.

Doctors generally can't target themselves.

[Ampharos]

Oh... all the games I've played they can.  Too bad

[Ampharos]

I guess I should have asked... didn't even think to though.

[Witherweaver]

Amph, what's your flavor name?

ADK too.

[Ampharos]

Rick Grimes

Who else would be telling people what to do

[Ampharos]

Also explains why I was interested to see if RR could give someone the radio.

[Witherweaver]

Okay.

[Ampharos]

Held it back because Rick Grimes sounds like a really nice person to NK as well.

[A Drowned Kernel]

Theodore "T-Dog" Douglas

[Witherweaver]

Well, everyone's flavor is pretty consistent with their roles.

Rereading each person. 

[Witherweaver]

Well, at least the vig part of Sir Martin's.  I buy 'biteproof' too.  That makes him look more like an SK, though, not less.

[SirMartin]

Two things:

I recieved a soiled rag covered in guts (nice).

Also, a full claim is in order.

I gave you the rag, but for me it just said 'soiled rag'.

It's soiled with walker guts.

In the show, if you cover yourself with walker guts and walk like a walker, you can pass around them undetected.

[SirMartin]

ftp://

Why didn't you fullclaim yesterday?

No point in telling the walkers that they shouldn't bite me.

[SirMartin]

Also, why did you kill people every night?

To get up to three kills.

I've killed two others and a walker, so I don't see how that's a problem.

[SirMartin]

Also, what's your explanation for not dying to efhw's vengeful ability?

Her fury was similiar to a vengekill.

My speculation is that she could kill someone on an other's wagon if that other got lynched, you know, she avenges them.

Or she could've been lying.

[SirMartin]

What was your previous win condition, and what is it now?

Previous: You win if you are still alive at the end of the game.

Now: You win when all threats to the group have been eliminated.

[A Drowned Kernel]

Also, why did you kill people every night?

To get up to three kills.

I've killed two others and a walker, so I don't see how that's a problem.

Why did you want to join the group?

Who do you think is scum?

[ashersky]

Sorry for the delay.  Day Action Submission Window is now open.  You have 24 hours to submit day action or trigger Group abilities.

[SirMartin]

Also, why did you kill people every night?

To get up to three kills.

I've killed two others and a walker, so I don't see how that's a problem.

Why did you want to join the group?

Who do you think is scum?

I thought is would be easier to win with the group, and I didn't think there would be more scum.

I think the only scum left is a walker who can't bite but does have powers.

[Ampharos]

But isn't the case where walkers can't vote yet still show up in the vote count post?  I don't see anyone like that right now.

Anyone want to take any actions?  I'd think not... definitely don't want to check perim.  Splitting up could work I guess, but if we lynch here it's probably somewhat useless.  And loading with the hating thing probably isn't a good idea.

[Witherweaver]

If there was a Walker among us, they shouldn't show up as 'alive' for voting.

That doesn't mean someone can't get bit (or already have been bit) and turn, though.  Doesn't the OP make it clear that there are non-player Walkers?

Check the Perimeter: One-third of living players (rounded down), randomly selected, will be unable to post for 48 hours or vote for the rest of the day. If random zombies would have wandered into the farm during the day or following night, they will be stopped.

Split up: Tonight, half the group (rounded down) will sleep in the house while the other half sleep in the camp. Those in the house will be safe from random zombies.

[A Drowned Kernel]

Killing all the player Walkers might have eliminated the mechanic entirely. Turning now would be pretty crappy.

[A Drowned Kernel]

I suppose it's possible that amph out WW had been bit but  isn't saying anything.

[A Drowned Kernel]

Or*

[Ampharos]

I haven't been bit, at least as far as I'm aware.

[Witherweaver]

Anyone that would have gotten bit certainly wouldn't say anything. 

[Witherweaver]

It does mean that we probably should not no lynch though.

[Ampharos]

But seriously, haven't zombies showed up on the list of people before?  If there were only 3 alive it would only take 2 to lynch.  It currently takes 3.  I think we don't have any zombies.

[SirMartin]

But seriously, haven't zombies showed up on the list of people before?  If there were only 3 alive it would only take 2 to lynch.  It currently takes 3.  I think we don't have any zombies.

They could've gotten bit but not have turned yet.

[Ampharos]

Oh I suppose so.

[Witherweaver]

Though, unless the bite happened last night, I would assume that if everyone were town, we'd just win.  I could see someone being bitten but not turned yet (presumably still having town wincon) being considered a 'threat' to the group.

[Witherweaver]

Reread thoughts.  I don't really know what I'm looking for.

I'm here! 

A few things: 

1) For once, I'm thinking along the same lines as RR: Is there actually a scum faction in this game or is it survival and us just thinking there might be scum? 

2) Faust's play seems so out there that I see it very unlikely to be scum.  I'm giving big town points, for now.  If evidence surfaces later that he may be pulling a quick one, I'll reconsider. 

3) Select: Lock  --- Easily the best choice for now until proven otherwise... if negative shenanigans occur (which I'm guessing we'll be able to see in the flavor), we can reconsider using that power in the future.  I would also be okay with CtP but think doing both lock and CtP is kind of redundant.

Quick town assignments is generally a scum trait.  Hedging too.  Has Amph ever been scum?

I've been so interested in the setup that I haven't been scum hunting yet.  I'll do some reading on that today

Well, that's a bit overt.  This was kind of the case for everyone in the early game.

General setup talk follows.

Back from patrol, woot! 

At a conference for 4 days, so low on activity right now, sorry! 

I'll admit to being completely distracted by setup at this point.  I have little to no actual reads on anyone, but the fact that e is not alive is... ??

Unless that was already covered and I somehow missed it (which has happened before).

---

Sorry about the wreck, chairs

Again preemptive excuses for not having reads. 

I'm on an ipad, which i hate using, which means im dumb since there is a perfectly acceptable laptop literally right next to me.  so, Im kind of like rereading in little segments and stopping when i have something to say. 

next thing to say: i am okay with the chairs wagon.  faust said something about his posts feeling forced, and i was already feeling that by the time i got there.

also, faust is probably town here.  he reads very town!faust.  last 2 games i read him successfully as scum then town.  however, im not a big fan of his thingy about not voting for him. im leaving open the possibility hes scum

Reenforcing hedged townread on Faust.

Day 1 scum reads:

Probably because I'm semi-lurky.

Scummy, in no particular order:

e
RR
SirMartin

That's basically Day 1.  Doesn't vote the entire Day, I think, but he was on Patrol , and things didn't really get started before then.  I didn't really think about it before how going on patrol is a convenient way for scum to do a classic 'hide under the radar thing'.

Day 2, so here's that softclaim:

1. gk feels town after his wanting to talk about day actions post
2. faust does not feel as town as he did before, but if he can kill zombies, that's cool
3. anyone have any idea what "vet" means?
4. If people are getting bit even when we check the perimeter, what good is that?

Votes Hydrad at my proposal of testing our voting abilities:

Okay, I'll play along with the "vote for everyone" game...

Vote: Hydrad

Also, we should lock e, correct?  Assuming he's a zombie? Orrrrrr?

Some more setup/action talk.

It did make me wonder if there's a role that doesn't like days. 

But really, we're not getting information on who people are when they die, so speculation of that sort is... meh at best.

You're welcome to discuss other points that you think are more important!

It was mostly a comment on my own speculation not being of much use

Things that are important to me:

1) Is e a zombie?  If so, we should shoot him.  He's not saying anything about this.
2) Let's not CtP - it did jack for us yesterday.
3) Townies in order of confidence: gk, faust, RR (weak read)
4) Still worried about splitting up - it seems too good to be true and I still think there's a scum role that can take advantage of it.

RR switches from scum to town, some town reads (ADK) have fallen off since Day 1; gkrieg moves up, Faust is consistent.  Generally a townie thing, seems like reads are genuinely changing.

Seems convinced e is a Walker:

Man.

Lock: e

This is why I'm pretty sure he's a zombie.

At this point, I didn't really believe walkers were actual players.  There were generally conflicting ideas about this.

Combining that with what I know, I'm pretty sure our lynch today should fall in here: EFHW, SirMartin, ADK. 

That is assuming that Faust can both kill e and himself tomorrow. 

If not, perhaps he can kill e, turn, and we shoot him. 

We really should have lock-killed e though today... 

ADK moving around more, from not town to lynch.  EFHW on lynch list from out of nowhere, a bit scummy given EFHW flipped scum.  Martin still on the lynchable list from day 1. 

The thought crossed my mind that he is a zombie baby.  But if that's the case, he's not exactly threatening

Getting all the calls right on the zombies, it seems.

Points out a few times that we should be scum hunting and not worrying about zombies/setup:

I see what you're saying EFHW, but when Yuma was alive as a human, we lynched him, killing his humanness.  To me, a lynch is a kill, so if we lynch a zombie we will naturally kill the zombie the in only way we can.

That said, I still would rather go somewhere else.

PPE: How'd someone get bit in the first place?   We're focusing too much on zombies here instead of trying to find scum.  But I'm starting to sound like a broken record.

Points against EFHW:

I think it's worth noting I'm getting big scum vibes from EFHW through this whole thing.

Not because of the effort you're putting in (which is appreciated), but more the way you're going about it.  I can't quite put my finger on it but I want this on the record.  There is always the possibility that it's because we have never played in the same game before 

Votes EFHW:

Unless you've got information the rest of us aren't privy to, how do you know zombies won't die from a lynch?  We've never explored that territory.  I feel as though you're getting caught up on assumptions, something Ash specifically encouraged us not to do

Additionally, whether intentional or not, you're putting words in my mouth by saying I want people to lynch him.  If I wanted e lynched I would have voted him already.  The quote you quoted me in even said I'd rather vote elsewhere...

So, I suppose I'll make good on it... 

Vote: EFHW

And vote stays there through Day 2.  e ends up getting lynched, to little effect.  I think his only votes were on Others. 

[Witherweaver]

Day 3, mostly talk of what's up with Faust.  Again brings up us not scumhunting:

So once the window open, we lock faust. 

Do we wish to split up as well?  Checking the perimeter leaves us with basically no one and would be hard to get a lynch out of at this point in the game.

Then it scum hunting time.  We've worried so much about zombies lately that I'm looking forward to actually playing straight up mafia here.

Ends up locking Faust (maybe it was after the lock-hammer, not sure). 

I really think we should take a good long look at Sir Martin.

EFHW, WW and ADK are also worth taking a look at.  I guess Hydrad as well.

Well, that's pretty much everyone. 

This is a little odd:

Vote: Sir Martin

Actually no.

Unvote

Reads more townie on a re-read.

Could be fabricated; changing mind is generally townie, but this doesn't seem that natural.

Opposes mass claim,  grudgingly agrees to do it:

Screw it.  We can mass claim.  Just put me last - it's way too easy for someone to fake claim off mine.  My role should also be confirmed by someone who goes ahead of me.

Makes sense given his role.  Claim:

So basically, I tell GK who to target.  I told him faust night 1, and then WW night two, so looks like we're dealing with some sort of re-direct here.  I'm pretty sure he has to take my advice on who to target.   I had no idea what his power did or who had that power, just the name of it, thus me super-subtly asking if "vet" meant anything to anyone.  He responded, and since faust basically cleared him with that one post, I think we're good.  I believe he should be able to confirm that I had him target WW.  I'm not sure how he's done it to 3 people.

I also tell someone else what to do, in exactly the same fashion, but it wouldn't surprise me if they're dead.  I had them target Chairs night one and SirMartin night two.  I haven't seen anything to make me thing they're still alive though. 

I also have some night immunity, but I'm not going into depths on how much, because why would I want to spoil all the fun

Claims to have some kind of night immunity. 

Votes Hydrad based on claims:

Thoughts on the claims:

ADK - If WW can confirm he got the message, this is a decent claim.  It's still not outside the realm of a solid scum claim though.
EFHW - Not a huge fan of this claim - it's an easy scum claim, and the vengeful thing dissuades kills.
gkrieg13 - Obviously town seeing as he's my Vet person.  Still not 100% sure what it does though... would be nice to know since I'm directing it.
Hydrad - Probably the scummiest of the claims.
Roadrunner7671 - Crazy claim - I have to give town points for this one.  Could defo be scum though.  If he is, it means he's really picking up his game, cause I'm reading lots of town RR here.
SirMartin - Probably town.  No one else is taking claim for kills.
Witherweaver - Claim feels kind of townie, but could be scum I guess.  Though if RR is town, he wouldn't really be giving out tools to townies, would he?  Well maybe he would...

Vote: Hydrad

PPE 5

And leaves it on Hydrad, who gets lynched.  And then we're at today.

Well.. who knows what to think of all that.  He basically started the Hydrad wagon, so townie there. 

Will do the others later.

[Witherweaver]

Sir Martin claimed Survivor that can kill.  That's really an SK. 

How many games has Sir Martin played?

[Ampharos]

Has Amph ever been scum?

Not here, nope.

Thanks for the analysis.  I guess I didn't have a clear picture of what I've done this game, but it was fun to read.

[Witherweaver]

Is it possible that the Others' only kill was EFHW's thing?  We've been assuming they were responsible for the non-sword deaths, but 'Mafia' here was Walkers, and they're like Cultists.  We have a sword-wielding Survivor/SK.. could there be a different 'SK' with a gun?

Ash specifically pointed out not to get caught up on assumptions.

[Ampharos]

Well I suppose we could go over each kill and try to figure out where it came from.  I'd be willing to help with that if you want.

And who knows, maybe the Others had different ways to sabotage us, like pointing e at people, or maybe making us hated, or who knows.  I have a tough time with the no assumptions thing, because then anything is up for grabs. 

Also I want the freaking radio.  Can't I just pick it up from RR's body...

[Witherweaver]

Did you ask in your QT if you can get it?

[Ampharos]

No I just kind of moaned and groaned about it.  I guess asking couldn't hurt.

[Ampharos]

Well, was worth a try.

[A Drowned Kernel]

Worth noting about the walker thing: Yuma flipped as a walker without having does first when we lynched him the first time, so it is possible that people change alignment as soon as they flip.

I'm still thinking Lynch sir Martin though. He's given pretty much zero reads all game, which is pretty consistent with how I think an SK plays. Even when I just asked him point blank who he thought scum was his answer didn't indicate anyone in particular.

[A Drowned Kernel]

And I don't think I buy him killing in order to join the group. Why would he start doing that on the first day? And if he was a survivor winning with the group isn't easier, it limits his options.

[A Drowned Kernel]

Okay, so I've been turning this over in my head all day, and I've come to a rather cynical conclusion.

I was originally thinking of this in terms of Sir Martin being a SK vs. there being a fourth Other, but now I'm thinking in terms of someone being bit. First off, if someone's bit, a reread isn't going to help with that, since they would have been bit last night.

IF there are no more others, there are two possibilities: Sir Martin is an SK, or there is a Walker/player who will become a Walker. Both of these things could actually be true, but that's unimportant to my conclusion.

If the Amph, WW and I lynch Sir Martin and there's no Walkers, then we all win as Group members. If we lynch him and there is a Walker, we would all (presumably) become Walkers eventually, and still win, just as Walkers. So unless we think there's another Other, lynching Sir Martin would guarantee the three of us victory.

The flip side of this is, if we lynch anyone other than Sir Martin today, then Walkers are guaranteed to lose; he's biteproof (I don't know why he would lie about that) and there won't be the numbers to lynch him after today, so he'll just kill any Walkers with impunity. The best hope for a Group member in that scenaior would to be to hope that Sir Martin was telling the truth about becoming a Group member and to make sure that they died before they converted. Luckily for me, I still have my sacrifice ability: if we do end up lynching WW or Amph, I can make myself the lynch and make sure I die as a member of the Group. If Sir Martin is telling the truth, I'll be assured victory; if he isn't, then I'll have lost anyway because we didn't lynch him.

So unless someone can convince me that either WW or Amph is an Other (and I'll be doing my own reread to this end) then basically the only lynch options today are Sir Martin and me. And I still think that "Sir Martin is a SK" is the most plausible scenario, so I'll keep my vote there for now.

[SirMartin]

And I don't think I buy him killing in order to join the group. Why would he start doing that on the first day? And if he was a survivor winning with the group isn't easier, it limits his options.

I thought I'd kill EFHW, she'd be the last scum, and we'd win today.

[SirMartin]

ADK, people who get lynched become walkers. So if you lynch me I'll become a walker and you'll have to deal with me then.
And I don't know what you're saying- you think I've been bit but you don't think I'm lying about being biteproof?

[A Drowned Kernel]

I don't think you've been bit, but you're arguing that someone has. What is your suggested course of action?

And Hydrad didn't become a Walker, so I think people do have to be bit before they turn.

[ashersky]

Vote Count 4.1:

SirMartin (1): A Drowned Kernel

Not Voting (3): Ampharos, SirMartin, Witherweaver

With 4 alive, it will take 3 to lynch.

No Group Abilities were triggered.

[Witherweaver]

Posting to check in; I haven't gotten a chance to do other rereads yet.

[A Drowned Kernel]

Sir Martin takes about five minutes, he's had astonishingly little content.

[Witherweaver]

Okay, I'll do it tonight.

[Witherweaver]

Also, I know the role name of a player that is likely town-aligned. Just sayin'.

As do I.

Was this a joke, or did you know someone else's role?

[Witherweaver]

Not many posts.

Well, I forgot how time consuming Forum Mafia is. I'm on a phone but I have a good block of time to contribute.

Says he'll contribute, doesn't really contribute that much.  What follows:

So I think the phrase 'vigs gonna vig' is an excellent phrase to apply here.

If we have the options, to load, split up and check out the perimeter, why not do so? It's fun!

It seems like scum hunting isn't a priority, that needs to change. Come on, it's mafia! We gotta take the mafia down!
While I was reading a new reply had been posted, but I do not wish to review my current post.

Interesting pointing out vigs, since he plans to claim vig.  Also, I had thought Amph was the one complaining about not scum hunting all game, but Sir Martin brought it up way early.  Scummy.  Following:

And you can call me scummy, but all this talk about our group actions is really scummy. They probably have a marginal impact on the game, this isn't what mafia is about. We need to ignore all the shiny distractions and lynch the scums.

discouraging us from discussing the setup makes no sense

I'm not doing that, I'm just encouraging scum hunting as a priority.

Talks about scum hunting, but he hasn't said anything not setup related. 

Votes for split up.   He was on patrol too, so no posts during that time. Comes back, jokes about Silverspawn dying. 

First point he makes regarding players:

(Badly) Pranked 

Okay. Now how about some serious contributions?

We can try that. There was no mod talk during our patrol check, but we could communicate in a QT.

Yuma getting bit is bad, but I think voting for 2.7 is lame. Would he have claimed something suspicious then bitten Yuma? I think not.
Ppe

Of note that it's on the defensive side. 

Mentions Chairs didn't talk much:

So I don't have long, but I'll point out that chsirs didn't talk very much when we were on patrol.

Par the course for Chairs, but Sir Martin may not have known this.

I'm here now! I think I got prodded.

I don't have time for a full reread but I will point out that I would rather no lynch. This is RMM and no one seems to have scumreads on anyone.

You're part of the game too!  You can have scumreads~

I'd rather not become the default lynch so I'm considering claiming.

Feels pressure to claim... because he has three votes on him.  I guess he belongs to the Ichi school of Mafia claiming.

I think he actually lost his vote from not posting; pretty sure I did that day too.  Proposes lynching Faust; Yuma ends up getting lynched.

That's Day 1.

[Witherweaver]

Sir Martin, did you ever say why you killed Haddock?

[Witherweaver]

Day 2:

Says not bit, talks about group abilities.

I think not triggering group powers is fine. We don't really need more bullets, it appears checking the perimeter is unhelpful and makes a lynch unlikely and splitting up is still scary for...some reason?

I guess I'm scummy for it, but I still think we should've split up today.

Says he's scummy for the hundredth time. 

Talks about the Faust/e situation, and:

Why can't Faust kill e next Dawn then commit suicide at a later date? That way we can try to lynch someone scummy today.

Because if he's bit he might not make it more then a day

We're going to be want to find out though right? It we policy lynch everyone who gets bit we'll just lose.

Weird thing to say.  What were you thinking here?

Basically nothing else for Day 2. 

[Witherweaver]

Day 3:

Locks Faust, explains why he wanted to later:

I'm from a phone but I will try to tell you why all I did was lock him.

He said he was an other and he couldn't bite people. I figured one of those was a lie.

If one of those was a lie, there would be no point in keeping him around.

If he could bite people and we let him live we'd just be stupid.

If he wasn't an other and we let him live there would be no point. It would be like keeping around a survivor who wanted to kill the town.

Okay with mass claiming, claims vig:

All I feel compelled to say is that I'm the vig and yes, I have a sword.

Giving away more than that really doesn't do much for the town but it would help others.

Who's next?

Hammers Hydrad:

Vote: Hydrad

Hopefully this works!

Weird thing to say.. maybe it's the first time he hammered someone.

Full claims:

I am Michonne, the Wary Survivor With a Heart

Each night I can chop a head.

I was immune to getting bitten twice (in the show Michonne has 'pet' walkers that keep other walkers away).

And if I kill three or more people, I become part of the group.

Can you explain more what your role says about becoming part of the group?

[Witherweaver]

Well the full claim was today.

At any rate.. well, he definitely makes sense as SK.  But, again, he's basically saying he's SK, or modified SK that can win with another faction.  So I suppose the big question is whether or not he can claim alignments.

The thing is.. if he was a Survivor and can win with town.. why does he need to claim this?  Why not just leave it at vig? And, from his perspective, the only way he's not winning right now is if one of us is not town.. so he should be looking for another Other, or some other explanation.

He does consider ideas today about one of us being a Walker, or being bit. Though I think I originated the idea of being bit but not yet turned as an explanation for showing up in the vote count.

[A Drowned Kernel]

request prod on ampharos

[Witherweaver]

I'll try to do ADK later on tomorrow.

[SirMartin]

Sir Martin takes about five minutes, he's had astonishingly little content.

Like I said, I forgot how much of a time commitment Mafia was.

I mean, I can try to put forth more stuff, but I think you guys know what I think:

Someone got bit/became a walker.
They have a walker wincon.
They are preventing the town from winning.
It's probably not Witherweaver.
They probably haven't turned but will turn during twilight or night to perform a walker night action.

[SirMartin]

Sir Martin, did you ever say why you killed Haddock?

He felt scummy, but I decided to not draw attention to the fact that I thought he was scummy because I wanted to be very low on the possible night kill list.

[A Drowned Kernel]

1)Why is it less likely to be Witherweaver?

2)Do you think that we should no-lynch?

[Witherweaver]

What about this?

I am Michonne, the Wary Survivor With a Heart

Each night I can chop a head.

I was immune to getting bitten twice (in the show Michonne has 'pet' walkers that keep other walkers away).

And if I kill three or more people, I become part of the group.

Can you explain more what your role says about becoming part of the group?

[Witherweaver]

The walker theory is a bit convenient, since it gives us a reason to not kill you.

[Ampharos]

Sorry guys, yesterday got way busier than expected.  I'm around.

[Ampharos]

Apparently I'm not the only one with struggles posting

[A Drowned Kernel]

I'm pretty much settled on my vote.

[Ampharos]

I could go with him as well, but seeing as I don't think we're timed here... we need WW to be on board anyways.

[Witherweaver]

Let's do it.

Vote: Sir Martin

[Ampharos]

No sense sitting around I guess.

Vote: Sir Martin

[ashersky]

Day 4 Final Vote Count:

SirMartin (3): A Drowned Kernel, witherweaver, Ampharos

Not Voting (1): SirMartin

With 4 alive, it will took 3 to lynch.

Twilight begins now and lasts at least 4 hours.

[Witherweaver]

La di da.

[A Drowned Kernel]

Anyone win?

[Ampharos]

No idea.  Lynches don't go through til Night though, I don't think.

[ashersky]

SirMartin has been lynched and has passed away.  He was Michonne.

Night 4 begins now and lasts 48 hours.  Night action orders are due within the next 24 hours.

[ashersky]

Oh my god Rick...I can't believe...

This world, this is what things have come to?  Is there nothing left to believe in?

Sometimes, Rick, there comes a time when the danger, the stress of life overcomes you, and you change.  You lose yourself.  I lost myself Rick, but I came back.

Will you come back?  After all you've lost?  I lost everything, but here I am.

[ashersky]

During the night...

A Drowned Kernel died from a bullet to the head.  He was Theodore "T-Dog" Douglas, the Useful Bystander, a member of the Group.

Dawn 5 begins now.

[ashersky]

Day 5 begins now and will last 100 hours.

[ashersky]

Vote Count 5.0:

Not Voting (2): SirMartin, witherweaver, Ampharos

With 2 alive, it takes 2 to lynch.

[Ampharos]

Huh.

[SirMartin]

I told you all I wasn't the problem. Now the final other ges to just win, I suppose.

[Ampharos]

Well, so do you, assuming Faust wasn't lying about zombie wincon.

[Witherweaver]

But you lied.

[Witherweaver]

Lock: Sir Martin

[SirMartin]

Here's how it's going to go:
You guys might lock me today, then one of you will get shot tonight. Whoever has the gun wins.

Or you guys don't lock me, the guy without the gun gets shot tonight, then I got shot tomorrow night. The guy with the gun wins.

[ashersky]

The day action submission window is now open.

[SirMartin]

Where's the activity guys?

I want to Load

I don't know about you guys. But we should load!

[Ampharos]

Do we actually have any bullets loaded with which to lock SM?

[Witherweaver]

Lock: Sir Martin

[Witherweaver]

We should, we loaded twice and shot once.

[Ampharos]

Sir Martin: What is the zombie wincon?

[Ampharos]

Also, how the heck did ADK die?  Did you kill him, WW?

[Witherweaver]

No.

[Ampharos]

Any ideas then?  Because I certainly didn't do it, and SM was zombified at that point... Unless someone ADK shot himself??

[Ampharos]

*somehow

[Ampharos]

Don't you have some sort of power that says how many guns went off?  You alluded to this earlier.  Any insight here?

[Witherweaver]

I don't have any such power.. what do you mean alluded to it?

[Ampharos]

By the way, I checked and the gun doesn't have any bullets in it currently.  So we may want to do Lock and Load.

Never mind, I took the above quote and a few others where you were discussing guns to think you had a power.

[Ampharos]

Morgan, if you're here, come out.  I need you...

[Ampharos]

Seeing as absolutely nothing is happening, I feel Im justified in being brash.

Load
Vote: WW

[SirMartin]

It's painfully obvious that one of you are Others.

Load

I can't win from here, but I'd still like to influence the game.

[SirMartin]

Sir Martin: What is the zombie wincon?

To have no one be able to post in the thread besides walkers during the day phase.

[Witherweaver]

Vote: Ampharos

[ashersky]

Day 5 Final Vote Count:

Witherweaver (1): Ampharos

Not Voting (1): SirMartin, Witherweaver

With 2 alive, it took 2 to lynch.

Load was trigger during the Day.  Two players became secretly Hated.

Twilight 5 begins now.

[ashersky]

Twilight ends early.

Witherweaver has been lynched and has passed away.  He was Daryl Dixon, an Other.

[ashersky]

Rick...it's over, man.  I can't believe it's over.

It is hard to imagine a world where you aren't alive anymore, Rick.  But you've lost everyone, everything.  There's nothing left for you.

That's what anyone would say.  I can't blame you.  I know how it felt, when I lost...but, it's a hard thing to see. 

Rick, you were a good friend.  I am sorry I couldn't save you...

[ashersky]

Ampharos, who was Rick Grimes, the Ex-Sherriff's Deputy, has been endgamed by the Walkers.

2.7, yuma, faust, SirMartin, Witherweaver, and Ampharos the Walkers, win!

[Witherweaver]

Am I a Walker?

[Ampharos]

#kingmaking

[ashersky]

Night 0:
Sophia Peletier (2.7) bites Lori Grimes (yuma).  Success.

Dawn 1:
Random Zombie Attack (RZA) Rolls: 31, 82.  No RZAs.
Dale Horvath (chairs) interjects "this game is going to be AMAZING! Don't be jerks, let's make ash's last game for a while memorable in a fun way!"  Posted in The Others QT.
Hershel Greene (gkrieg13) teaches Shane Walsh (faust).  QT was opened from Dawn 1 to Twilight 1.

Day 1:
Check the Perimeter was triggered.  Glenn Rhee (silverspawn), Dale Horvath (chairs), Rick Grimes (Ampharos), and Michonne (SirMartin) went on patrol.
Load was triggered.  Andrea (Roadrunner7671) and Dale Horvath (chairs) are secretly hated for the rest of the day.
T-Dog Douglas (ADK) chats "Are you worth bodyguarding?" to Daryl Dixon (witherweaver).
Lori Grimes (yuma) receives his bite notification.

Twilight 1:
Carl Grimes (Haddock) shares a comic book with Andrea (Roadrunner7671).

Night 1:
Lori Grimes (yuma) becomes a Walker.
Beth Greene (Hydrad) hides behind Shane Walsh (faust).
Hershel Greene (gkrieg13) teaches Carol Peletier (EFHW). QT was opened from Night 1 to Day 2.
Dale Horvath (chairs) interjects "If you can hear my voice, know that chairs is key to the success of the Group. His powers will deliver us in our darkest moments."  Posted in The Others QT.
Carol Peletier (EFHW) cowers.  Steal vet from faust.
Rick Grimes (Ampharos) leads Dale Horvath (chairs) to snoop Dale Horvath (chairs) and Hershel Greene (gkrieg13) to vet Shane Walsh (faust).  Vet success, Snoop failure due to chair's mod punishment.

Sophia Peletier (2.7) puts on the helmet.
T-Dog Douglas (ADK) watches Shane Walsh (faust).  Receives "2.7, Hydrad."
Hershel Greene (gkrieg13) agrees to vet Shane Walsh (faust).  Redirected to EFHW by Cower.

Sophia Peletier (2.7) bites Shane Walsh (faust).  Success.
Daryl Dixon (Witherweaver) kills Dale Horvath (chairs).  Success (bullet).
Michonne (SirMartin) kills Carl Grimes (Haddock).  Success (sword).
Morgan (ashersky) modkills Maggie Greene (Limetime) for inactivity.
Glenn Rhee (silverspawn) suicides.

Dawn 2:
RZA rolls: 38, 33.  No RZAs.
Shane Walsh (faust) executes Lori Grimes (yuma).  faust gains +2 Hated.
Judith Grimes (yuma) is born.

Day 2:
No Group Factional Abilities triggered.
T-Dog Douglas (ADK) chats "Last night you were targetted by e and Hydrad. -ADK" to Shane Walsh (faust).
Shane Walsh (faust) receives his bite notification.

Twilight 2:
Hershel Greene (gkrieg13) teaches T-Dog Douglas (ADK).  QT opened from Night 2 to Day 3.

Night 2:
Shane Walsh (faust) becomes a Walker.
Beth Greene (Hydrad) hides behind Hershel Greene (gkrieg13).
Carol Peletier (EFHW) cowers.  Nothing to steal.
Rick Grimes (Ampharos) leads Hershel Greene (gkrieg13) to vet Daryl Dixon (Witherweaver).  Vet success.  Snoop selection (SirMartin) fails due to Dale Horvath (chairs) being dead.

Sophia Peletier (2.7) puts on the helmet.
Daryl Dixon (Witherweaver) gives a scrounged screwdriver to Andrea (Roadrunner7671).  Success, RR gains a 1-shot zombie kill.
T-Dog Douglas (ADK) tracks Carol Peletier (EFHW).  Receives "No one."
Hershel Greene (gkrieg13) does not agree to vet Daryl Dixon (Witherweaver).

Sophia Peletier (2.7) bites Andrea (Roadrunner7671).  Success.
Daryl Dixon (Witherweaver) kills Judith Grimes (yuma).  Success (bullet).
Michonne (SirMartin) kills Sophia Peletier (2.7).  Success (sword).

Dawn 3:
RZA Rolls: 14, 32.  Day RZA rolled.  Single zombie vs 3 zombies roll: 28.  Single Zombie during the day.

Day 3:
Lock is triggered on Shane Walsh (faust).  Success.
Beth Greene (Hydrad) receives bite notification from the RZA.
Andrea (Roadrunner7671) receives his bite notification.

Twilight 3:
Hatchet triggers, chopping off Beth Greene's (Hydrad) arm.
Carol Peletier (EFHW) rages and kills Andrea (Roadrunner7671).
Hershel Greene (gkrieg13) teaches Carol Peletier (EFHW).  QT open from Night 3 to Dawn 4.

Night 3:
Rick Grimes (Ampharos) fails to lead.  Snoop selection (EFHW) fails due to chairs being dead.  Vet selection (gkrieg13) fails due to self-target.

Daryl Dixon (Witherweaver) gives scrounged soiled rags to Michonne (SirMartin).
T-Dog Douglas (ADK) defends Michonne (SirMartin).

Carol Peletier (EFHW) kills Hershel Greene (gkrieg13).  Success (bullet).
Carol Peletier (EFHW) kills Carol Peletier (EFHW) due to being taught by Hershel (Mentor affect).
Michonne (SirMartin) kills Carol Peletier (EFHW).  Success (sword)?

Dawn 4:
No Actions

Day 4:
No Actions

Twilight 4:
No Actions

Night 4:
Michonne (SirMartin) becomes a Walker.

Daryl Dixon (Witherweaver) gives scrounged half-filled mason jar to Michonne (SirMartin), Daryl Dixon (Witherweaver), and Rick Grimes (Ampharos).

Daryl Dixon (Witherweaver) kills Theodore "T-Dog" Douglas (A Drowned Kernel).  Success (bullet).

Dawn 5:
No Actions

Day 5:
Load was triggered.  Rick Grimes (Ampharos) and Daryl Dixon (Witherweaver) are secretly hated for the rest of the day.

Twilight 5:
No Actions

Night 5:
Daryl Dixon (Witherweaver) becomes a Walker.

[ashersky]

Am I a Walker?

Yes, sorry.

[ashersky]

Some QTs:

The Others: http://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/89wyDAWX5TYa
Spectator: http://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/9tMZvkzwvhc

If players can post their own, that would help.

[Witherweaver]

Here's my QT:

http://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/M9EQaPFR3HrCk

Still think that 'Load' shouldn't have been triggered based on the discussion in the Others QT.  I mean, if I hadn't been told that it wouldn't trigger, then I could have voted Ampharos this morning when I came on to check if he had Loaded. 

Though I'm not certain I would have won with Others if that happened.. but I'd shoot one during the night, shoot the other with the loaded gun during day. So unless they could bite me, Others would have won I think.

[ashersky]

Here's my QT:

http://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/M9EQaPFR3HrCk

Still think that 'Load' shouldn't have been triggered based on the discussion in the Others QT.  I mean, if I hadn't been told that it wouldn't trigger, then I could have voted Ampharos this morning when I came on to check if he had Loaded. 

Though I'm not certain I would have won with Others if that happened.. but I'd shoot one during the night, shoot the other with the loaded gun during day. So unless they could bite me, Others would have won I think.

I'm sorry for the error.

I was surprised you didn't just leave a vote on Ampharos anyway.

Resolutions on some issues were hard, and won't leave everyone happy, including myself.

[yuma]

Ampharos, who was Rick Grimes, the Ex-Sherriff's Deputy, has been endgamed by the Walkers.

2.7, yuma, faust, SirMartin, and Witherweaver the Walkers, win!

[ashersky]

Secret History of TWD Mafia Part 1...

Zombies, Cults, and Skirting the Bastard Tag

So, the big thing here was trying to use a cult mechanic and not be bastard about it. I think I succeeded, but players may disagree. There's always been a fair hesitation to accept alignment changes in "normal" games, and I really pushed it (maybe too far) with the Recruit mechanic in Dune 2. Here, I kept a lot of things in mind before doing it.

1. You can't have scum who knows his partners change alignments. That's why the Hatchet and Knife are passive abilities for the Others in their QT. It ensures they can't turn and then rat out their partners.

2. I needed a way to be able to stop it, and not just with Alarmists or Deprogrammers. There's only one "cult leader" in the game (Sophia) who can make more zombies, although we have random zombie attacks that can affect this. You are told (secretly, sort of) who that is right at the beginning of the game when you see that one of you isn't "alive" but is still playing. It is hidden in plain sight through a lot of the wording I used in role QTs (especially pointing out that some players can target dead people, talk of being bit as if it was a bad thing, etc.). I did include specific zombie killing powers, and night kills kill them automatically.

3. But I took away lynches from town! Well, I know, sort of. I even include forced lynches with certain numbers. I wanted there to be some number of zombies, no matter what. That's why Sophia got to Bite N0 if she wanted. Lynches make zombies because you aren't destroying or detaching the brain. But, in fact, once you figure it out, you can no lynch. Plus, if Others are lynched, they get killed by their partners, so it's fine from a town vs. mafia POV.

4. I wanted to force the Town and Others (and Michonne) to work together against a common enemy. This is a flavor thing, too, in TWD -- sometimes you have to work together against zombies.

Balancing a town vs scum game with zombies in the way...
So how do I make this work like a regular mafia game? Well, I gave the "mafia" some pro-town powers. I also made them fairly survivable. In retrospect, maybe they were too strong? But Sophia targeting some of the most important town roles on N0 and N1 really threw the balance out of whack, which can happen even with the best plans.

Honestly, I think the game was hard for Walkers from the very beginning. Once the living players figured out what was up, it was going to be hard to survive.

Other zombie related things...

--I think Michonne's double zombie immunity was too strong...Walkers needed a way to reduce night kills, and it just wasn't there.
--The Random Zombie Attack mechanic was completely hidden, but the town powers were there to stop them. No one really seemed to care about those town powers, though.
--

Secret History of TWD Mafia Part 2...


A Guilty Kid? What?
I had the idea before faust made that random comment in a QT about the opposite of an IC, and wanted to try it. It's a tough role to play, but it had some counters, including the confirmable fruit vendor thing, and the ability to help town in a big way, to stay alive. He also has three hidden allies. Unfortunately, he died before I even got to announce him.

A really, really closed setup...
I actually see the appeal in open, or even semi-open, setups. A setup that is closed makes it harder on the players to figure things out. In trying to make this game feel like a real world struggle, I decided that would be best.

The zombie mechanic is hidden (both the Random Zombie Attacks and the Sophia thing). But it's hiding in plain sight.

I know some players were frustrated by being in the dark -- I did want that feeling to permeate the game, sort of like the world -- but I understand it can be not fun, too.

On flavor... Obviously I took some liberties. Zombies can't talk, after all. I also let people keep some ability and just modified others. I did that for fun, mostly, since not posting would have been no fun at all, and made Walkers are pretty weak otherwise.

[ashersky]

I have more to say, but that stuff I had typed up as the game went along.  Think of it as my Mod QT musings.

[yuma]

Ironic that the two people that shot me were two people I ended up winning with...

[ashersky]

FYI:

Daryl's stuff powers:

--pill bottle
Target's votes will be randomly determined. Every time he votes, assign it randomly to a player.

--flathead screwdriver
If target is alive, gives target a zombie kill power.
If target is zombie, kills it.

--half-full mason jar
Randomly targets 3 players, if powers would return results, literally scrambles them.

--loose fletch
If recipient is town, will return "guilty" result to others. If recipient is Other or Walker, no affect. If Michonne, returns town.

--soiled rag
Protection from zombie bites for target the rest of the game.

--empty shell casings
Makes all players "zombies" for the night. Used abilities function as if targets were zombies. Abilities are also affected by zombie effects. Living players do not bite.

--an old skull ring
Gives all living players the option to skip the following day. Majority vote wins.

[ashersky]

Random Zombie Attack (RZA) Mechanism:

Each day and night, an RZA is possible. The likelihood of an RZA is dependent on the number of living players:

Day
10-13: 20% chance
6-9: 15% chance
3-5: 10% chance

Night
10-13: 12% chance
6-9: 8% chance
3-5: 4% chance

At the beginning of each day and night, roll a random number from 1-100 on random.org. 1-20/1-15/1-10 (day) and 1-12/1-8/1-4 (night) results in an RZA.

Day RZAs have two forms:

--a single random zombie. If not killed within 24 hours of arrival, 100% chance to bite one living player.
--three-zombie group. If not killed within 24 hours of arrival, 100% chance to bite one living player, 25% chance to bite a second player, 5% chance to bite a third player.

If a day RZA was rolled above, roll a second random number from 1-100 on random.org. 1-85 results in a single random zombie; 86-100 results in a three-zombie group.

Night RZAs have one form:

--a single random zombie. If not killed within 24 hours of arrival, 50% chance to bite one living player outside.

Mod Notes:

--If the town Checks the Perimeter, the RZA is nullified had it been rolled. Flavor will reveal the three players who do the check as killing one or three zombies.

[Witherweaver]

Here's my QT:

http://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/M9EQaPFR3HrCk

Still think that 'Load' shouldn't have been triggered based on the discussion in the Others QT.  I mean, if I hadn't been told that it wouldn't trigger, then I could have voted Ampharos this morning when I came on to check if he had Loaded. 

Though I'm not certain I would have won with Others if that happened.. but I'd shoot one during the night, shoot the other with the loaded gun during day. So unless they could bite me, Others would have won I think.

I'm sorry for the error.

I was surprised you didn't just leave a vote on Ampharos anyway.

Resolutions on some issues were hard, and won't leave everyone happy, including myself.

Well, I didn't want to vote him where he could still vote me and trigger Load, because then one of us would randomly be lynched.  And when he didn't vote Load in Action submission window, I didn't think to because it wouldn't matter.

[yuma]

I did that for fun, mostly, since not posting would have been no fun at all, and made Walkers are pretty weak otherwise.

But posting in memes is lots and lots of fun!

[Haddock]

Well played my Other pals.  Shame about how it ended.

Here's my QT.  Being on my own with no extra info was absolutely grim, but didn't last long I guess.  Fricking Michonne.

http://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/9fhuT52BfEGj


Since it was never stated (at least not early on) to the Group that the Others are actually a threat to town, I was planning on claiming that our win condition was for town to win PLUS something else (different extra thing for each Other), and we had powers to help that cause.  I had planned to claim that having the comic book was my extra win condition.  Probably wouldn't have worked, but might have got somewhere.  Who knows now.

[Ampharos]

Well, I guess I played that wrong at the end, but it was just a lack of knowledge about zombie wincon.   I assumed with 2 zombies left alive that I would either be turned by them or be able to kill them.  I suppose I could have bounced the lynch back to myself and ended up as a zombie, but I didn't know that zombies could win with someone alive who they couldn't bite.  Oh well

I mean, flavor-wise I didn't really lose I guess... I'm still alive, and either I keep living or the zombies turn me.  At least I'm not dead

http://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/fDEguvtvVj3y

[Ampharos]

Thanks for the game, Ash

Was there any way to get Morgan in this, or was that just a fruit out of reach?

[ashersky]

Well, I guess I played that wrong at the end, but it was just a lack of knowledge about zombie wincon.   I assumed with 2 zombies left alive that I would either be turned by them or be able to kill them.  I suppose I could have bounced the lynch back to myself and ended up as a zombie, but I didn't know that zombies could win with someone alive who they couldn't bite.  Oh well

I mean, flavor-wise I didn't really lose I guess... I'm still alive, and either I keep living or the zombies turn me.  At least I'm not dead

http://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/fDEguvtvVj3y

Actually, I think you did turn.  The end game goes like this...

No kill
Lock: WW
No lynch/No kill forever.

You might get RZA'ed or you could Load and lynch yourself, turning either way.

[ashersky]

Morgan was just my own in-game flavor persona.  I was never going to start playing.

[ashersky]

Here is Limetime's QT and role:

http://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/PRaszdsr5Dh

Having to modkill him, and forcing a suicide of SS, really hurt The Group's chances of winning.  Inactivity really is a bad thing.

[Ampharos]

Well, I guess I played that wrong at the end, but it was just a lack of knowledge about zombie wincon.   I assumed with 2 zombies left alive that I would either be turned by them or be able to kill them.  I suppose I could have bounced the lynch back to myself and ended up as a zombie, but I didn't know that zombies could win with someone alive who they couldn't bite.  Oh well

I mean, flavor-wise I didn't really lose I guess... I'm still alive, and either I keep living or the zombies turn me.  At least I'm not dead

http://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/fDEguvtvVj3y

Actually, I think you did turn.  The end game goes like this...

No kill
Lock: WW
No lynch/No kill forever.

You might get RZA'ed or you could Load and lynch yourself, turning either way.

That's along the lines of what I was thinking.  I didn't think that loading to kill the second zombie would have killed me by reducing my lynch requirement from 1 vote to 0 though - that's pretty funny 

[Witherweaver]

Well, I guess I played that wrong at the end, but it was just a lack of knowledge about zombie wincon.   I assumed with 2 zombies left alive that I would either be turned by them or be able to kill them.  I suppose I could have bounced the lynch back to myself and ended up as a zombie, but I didn't know that zombies could win with someone alive who they couldn't bite.  Oh well

I mean, flavor-wise I didn't really lose I guess... I'm still alive, and either I keep living or the zombies turn me.  At least I'm not dead

http://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/fDEguvtvVj3y

Couldn't he have Loaded tomorrow, then lynched himself?  Or Locked, next day Loaded, next day Shot?
Actually, I think you did turn.  The end game goes like this...

No kill
Lock: WW
No lynch/No kill forever.

You might get RZA'ed or you could Load and lynch yourself, turning either way.

[Witherweaver]

Er, quote problem

Couldn't he have Loaded tomorrow, then lynched himself?  Or Locked, next day Loaded, next day Shot?

[ashersky]

Chairs: http://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/H4rMh45zyvH

[ashersky]

Er, quote problem

Couldn't he have Loaded tomorrow, then lynched himself?  Or Locked, next day Loaded, next day Shot?

So, there was the possibility of that process resulting in a Group win with only Ampharos alive.  I never meant for the Govern ability to work on himself, but I hadn't specified it and had let it go.

So he could have Loaded, lynched himself, governed himself, killed a zombie, repeat.  But I made a mod call there.

He gets credit for a win as a Walker, though.  I fixed that part.

[ashersky]

There was good individual play in this game.  I need to think about MVP.

I think EFHW triggered her Rage power too early.

[Ampharos]

Cool, thanks!

[Witherweaver]

Well, sorry to the other Others.  I think I had the win for us there, but I made the mistake of Locking without checking if the gun was loaded.  Then the little mistake with Ash didn't make me realize the game state.

Though, there was still a chance I'd get randomly bitten by a Roamer, so it wasn't guaranteed.

[Ampharos]

I honestly meant to load and lynch last night, but got home so late I totally forgot about it

[yuma]

Here is Limetime's QT and role:

http://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/PRaszdsr5Dh

Having to modkill him, and forcing a suicide of SS, really hurt The Group's chances of winning.  Inactivity really is a bad thing.

I think it might be worth putting in place some sort of addition on Lover roles going forward. Something like... if the player you love is killed by a in-game mechanic (lynch, night kill, day kill) you will die as well. This would prevent lovers dying as a result of mod kills.

This doesn't happen a lot, but I think it would worth adding to prevent these sort of unfortunate scenarios that really don't fit within the context of the game (but are still what are required by the rules as they were written).

[Witherweaver]

I honestly meant to load and lynch last night, but got home so late I totally forgot about it

Well if you would have done that before deadline, I would have voted you, so it would be random between us.  (I asked in QT.). I woke up a few minutes before deadline specifically to check this.

[Ampharos]

I honestly meant to load and lynch last night, but got home so late I totally forgot about it

Well if you would have done that before deadline, I would have voted you, so it would be random between us.  (I asked in QT.). I woke up a few minutes before deadline specifically to check this.

Yeah I had thought about that, but was aware you could have been aware of the quickhammer.  I would have rather had the coin flip then have had to veto the lynch.  I did mean to wake up earlier than 6, but I forgot that too.  Oh well.

[Witherweaver]

1. You can't have scum who knows his partners change alignments. That's why the Hatchet and Knife are passive abilities for the Others in their QT. It ensures they can't turn and then rat out their partners.

Unless all your partners are dead rawr.

[Witherweaver]

I honestly meant to load and lynch last night, but got home so late I totally forgot about it

Well if you would have done that before deadline, I would have voted you, so it would be random between us.  (I asked in QT.). I woke up a few minutes before deadline specifically to check this.

Yeah I had thought about that, but was aware you could have been aware of the quickhammer.  I would have rather had the coin flip then have had to veto the lynch.  I did mean to wake up earlier than 6, but I forgot that too.  Oh well.

Yeah I wasn't sure what ideas you had about stuff.  There was also a chance you had already been bit.  I did expect you to choose Load at some point, though, since to me that seemed your only hope of winning (as a Walker).

Did you know that my vote had already ensured 'Load' (and therefore Hated) would happen?

[Witherweaver]

Though I really thought we had Loaded on D2.

[Witherweaver]

So what was this?

"Carol Peletier (EFHW) kills Carol Peletier (EFHW) due to being taught by Hershel (Mentor affect)."

Hershel makes a killer suicide?

[Ampharos]

I honestly meant to load and lynch last night, but got home so late I totally forgot about it

Well if you would have done that before deadline, I would have voted you, so it would be random between us.  (I asked in QT.). I woke up a few minutes before deadline specifically to check this.

Yeah I had thought about that, but was aware you could have been aware of the quickhammer.  I would have rather had the coin flip then have had to veto the lynch.  I did mean to wake up earlier than 6, but I forgot that too.  Oh well.

Yeah I wasn't sure what ideas you had about stuff.  There was also a chance you had already been bit.  I did expect you to choose Load at some point, though, since to me that seemed your only hope of winning (as a Walker).

Did you know that my vote had already ensured 'Load' (and therefore Hated) would happen?

I was hoping.  I knew my load fell outside the 24hr period as well but put it down just in case

[Witherweaver]

So what was this?

"Carol Peletier (EFHW) kills Carol Peletier (EFHW) due to being taught by Hershel (Mentor affect)."

Hershel makes a killer suicide?

Oh, I guess Gkrieg was vengeful. 

[Witherweaver]

I was also worried about Amph having some kind of Vengeful, Gun-Owner, Kill protection, whatever that might mess up me NKing him.

[Witherweaver]

Also, I was kind of surprised you guys (ADK and Amph) didn't realize Sir Martin would just become a walker.  I thought about arguing that he would, but refrained from it, since it seemed best for me to let him get lynched.  (He was the only real threat to me, as the only one that could prevent me from becoming a Walker or kill me as a Walker.)

[Ampharos]

I think it's more of the "rather face the evil you know" thing.  We had no idea what all SM could do or what his actual wincon was.

[Witherweaver]

I think it's more of the "rather face the evil you know" thing.  We had no idea what all SM could do or what his actual wincon was.

Yeah, but you and ADK had no means to take care of Sir Martin except the Lock/Load mechanic. 

Did converted Walkers still retain any of their previous powers?

[Ampharos]

I can't speak for ADK, but I thought it more likely that you were town and that SM was the last threat.  You did a nice job in that respect.  It was only when he died that I knew you were probably scum.

[Ampharos]

4 scum was the thing we thought unlikely - we never knew one of them didn't have access to the QT and would have been revealed day 2. 

[Witherweaver]

I considered (see Others QT) not killing and perpetuating 'Walkers are the only threat' idea.  I was on the fence on which was better.

But I looked at the setup and saw that it only takes half the living players round down to choose an Action, and I thought we had a bullet in the gun, so that settled it for me to kill ADK, since I could Lock Martin without your vote the next day.  Then it would just be you and I, and I assumed I would endgame you, with a Night Kill.  But then Ash said it takes two to choose a group action, and I found out the gun wasn't loaded, so I figured we'd get through today with no lynches and I'd kill Martin that night, and then you the next night. 

Well it kind of ended up pretty ironically.

[gkrieg13]

That was a fun game!

When I teach someone, they die if I die and they are lynched of I am lynched.

I'm sad the group had so many obstacles, but feel I played a decent game. I was sure that EFHW was scum ( I think I said it in the thread ) but no one wanted to believe me. I should've taken WW down with me, but I didn't have a scum read on him

[Roadrunner7671]

I had a lot of fun, I think my role might've been the best.

But GG everyone!

[Roadrunner7671]

http://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/6jeFircJQG4AX

I talk too much.

[Witherweaver]

Funny that with the comic book (Michonne gave comics to Carl in the books) and RR's constant references to Michonne and vig, he had us convinced he was Michonne.

[Witherweaver]

Ash, how did you imagine Andrea/RR's intercept role being used?

[gkrieg13]

http://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/B4Uz5eLzPhE8w

There's mine.

I felt that overall the group had some of the weaker, but more interesting, powers.

[ashersky]

Ash, how did you imagine Andrea/RR's intercept role being used?

Easy enough to send messages to everyone via flavor.  He could have said "RR is town!" If he wanted.

[EFHW]

There was good individual play in this game.  I need to think about MVP.

I think EFHW triggered her Rage power too early.

What would I have gained by waiting?

[EFHW]

http://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/kmntVvKsRkfe

[gkrieg13]

Oh yeah. What was the point of split up?

[ashersky]

Oh yeah. What was the point of split up?

If there was a night RZA, the half in the house were safe.

[ashersky]

Rick/Ampharos: http://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/fDEguvtvVj3y
Carl/Haddock: http://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/9fhuT52BfEGj
T-Dog/ADK: http://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/pUMFEsQutPt3
Michonne/SirMartin: http://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/66TKWQuWASr8R
Carol/EFHW: http://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/kmntVvKsRkfe
Hershel/gkrieg13: http://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/B4Uz5eLzPhE8w
Daryl/WW: http://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/M9EQaPFR3HrCk
Sophia/2.7: http://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/NgqBfgd7vrqj5
Beth/Hydrad: http://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/8P4iyUFsmzHL
Andrea/RR: http://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/6jeFircJQG4AX
Shane/Faust: http://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/HEhrStHJGLamV
Lori/Yuma: http://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/EcweJtbhvScsB
Dale/chairs: http://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/H4rMh45zyvH
Maggie/Limetime: http://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/PRaszdsr5Dh
Glenn/SS: http://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/tp6zkvteGQgG

[Ampharos]

faust
03-19-2016
06:07 AM ET (US)
   Can I cut yuma's leg off?

ashersky
03-19-2016
07:02 AM ET (US)
   Not in the game.

lollll

[EFHW]

Oh yeah. What was the point of split up?

If there was a night RZA, the half in the house were safe.

Would there have been outside RZA victim instead, or if someone in the house was rolled then there would be no attack that night?

[yuma]

faust
03-19-2016
06:07 AM ET (US)
   Can I cut yuma's leg off?

ashersky
03-19-2016
07:02 AM ET (US)
   Not in the game.

lollll

yuma
03-24-2016
08:46 AM ET (US)
bite Faust