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Combos/Counters Article list
« on: July 15, 2012, 03:25:55 am »
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Quote from: ednever on June 22, 2012, 06:55:33 am
We should have two more lists stickied:

1- combos
2- general strategy articles grouped somehow
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Combos

2-Card Combos
Alchemist/Herbalist
Altar/Highway
Ambassador/Curse
Ambassador/Fool's Gold
Ambassador/Pirate Ship
Apothecary/Stables
Apothecary Native Village Apothecary/Native Village 2
Apothecary/Vault
Apprentice/Hoard
Apprentice/Envoy
Black Market/Tactician
Caravan/Vault
Cartographer/Tunnel
Cartographer/Wishing Well
Courtyard/Tournament
Chancellor/Stash
Chapel/Stash
Council Room/Goons
Counting House/Coppersmith
Fishing Village/Torturer
Fortune Teller/Jester
Ghost Ship/Fortune Teller
Golem/Counting House
Golem/Scheme
Golem/Tunnel
Goons/Apothecary
Goons/Watchtower
Governor/Warehouse
Graverobber/Pillage
Hamlet/Menagerie
Hoard/Salvager
Horn of Plenty/Native Village
Horn of Plenty/Peddler
Horse Traders/Duke
Hunting Party/Saboteur
Hunting Party/X
King's Court/Scheme
Loan/Minion
Masquerade/Margrave
Militia/Masquerade
Minion/Golem
Mine/Potion
Mint/Fool's Gold
Native Village/Bridge Native Village/Bridge
Oasis/Menagerie
Quarry/Talisman
Remake/City
Salvager/Peddler
Salvager/Spice Merchant
Sea Hag/Duchy
Scheme/Conspirator
Scheme/Herbalist
Scheme/Trading Post
Scrying Pool/Secret Chamber
Scrying Pool/Vault
Sea Hag/Jester
Shanty Town/Spice Merchant
Spy/Thief
Steward/Scrying Pool
Tournament/Scheme
Treasure Map/Nomad Camp
University/City
University/Inn
University/Watchtower/X
University/Library
Vault/Library
Vault/Philosopher's Stone
Venture/Bank
Vineyard/Develop
Watchtower/University
Warehouse/Conspirator
Warehouse/Counting House


3-Card Combos
Apothecary/Scheme/Bishop
Apothecary/Warehouse/Cache
Apothecary/Wishing Well/Coppersmith
Baron/Crossroads/Farmland
Border Village/City/Trash4Benefit
Courtyard/Loan/Venture
Embargo/Spice Merchant/Venture
Ironworks/Scout/Great Hall
Hamlet/Talismen/Fool's Gold
Hamlet/Watchtower/Library
Haven/Watchtower/Library
King's Court/Goons/Masquerade
Talisman/Watchtower/Treasure Map


Counters

Bishop vs. Gardens
Counting House vs. Militia
Harvest vs. Fortune Teller/Rabble/Bureaucrat/Ghost Ship
Library vs. Militia
Lookuot vs. Sea Hag
Militia vs. Warehouse
Minion vs. Treasury
Native Village vs. Fortune Teller
Possession vs. Ambassador
Secret Chamber vs. Pirate Ship
Tactician vs. Ghost Ship
Vault vs. Ambassador
Wishing Well vs. Ghost Ship
« Last Edit: September 10, 2012, 06:15:08 pm by Morgrim7 »
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Re: Combos/Counters Article list.
« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2012, 11:05:11 am »
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I recommend you always place the first card of the combo (alphabetically) first, and then sort alphabetically?  Maybe it'll look good!
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Re: Combos/Counters Article list.
« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2012, 11:55:32 am »
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Just clean up some of the typos...
Vaul (Vault)
Lookou (Lookout)

There may be others.
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Re: Combos/Counters Article list.
« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2012, 12:48:39 pm »
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Nicely done.

Some ideas more than suggestions for grouping them into amore readable structure:

- break into "within set" and "across set" combos
- break out 3-card+ combos into a separate section
- have a standard order of listing the combos. I like (1) alphabetical order, (2) list highest cost card first (lowest cost card first works equally well, just as long as there is a standard)

Great work!

Ed
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Re: Combos/Counters Article list.
« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2012, 12:33:34 pm »
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Thank you for doing these lists.  This is extremely helpful.
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« Reply #5 on: July 20, 2012, 05:04:10 pm »
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The link to three two-card combos should either go in the two card section or have the thread linked three times in the two-card section. There seems to be no reason for it to be in the three-card section.
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« Reply #6 on: July 20, 2012, 07:12:43 pm »
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Editing done. Still up for suggestions.
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Re: Combos/Counters Article list.
« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2012, 08:29:37 pm »
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Quote from: Hertz_Doughnut on July 21, 2012, 08:23:52 pm
Treasure Map / Warehouse
That is a card article, not  combo article. It is about Treasure map, not its synergy with Warehouse.
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Re: Combos/Counters Article list.
« Reply #8 on: July 24, 2012, 02:49:47 pm »
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Quote from: Hertz_Doughnut on July 24, 2012, 02:01:28 pm
Quote from: Morgrim7 on July 21, 2012, 08:29:37 pm
Quote from: Hertz_Doughnut on July 21, 2012, 08:23:52 pm
Treasure Map / Warehouse
That is a card article, not  combo article. It is about Treasure map, not its synergy with Warehouse.
Huh?  Sorry, I don't follow...

Sure it's a card article, but the two cards still make a decent combo, no?  I mean, how different is it from Ambassador / Fool's Gold?

It's different because the article you linked to is not about the combo, whereas the article linked to about Ambassador / Fool's Gold is an article about the Ambassador / Fool's Gold combo.
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« Reply #9 on: October 09, 2012, 12:10:41 am »
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You know what awesome, obvious combo doesn't have it's own article yet? Vault/Tunnel. But I'm not sure there's that much to say about Vault/Tunnel.

1) Buy a Vault
2) Buy a lot of Tunnels
3) Profit
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Re: Combos/Counters Article list
« Reply #10 on: October 10, 2012, 01:26:03 pm »
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Quote from: jotheonah on October 09, 2012, 12:10:41 am
You know what awesome, obvious combo doesn't have it's own article yet? Vault/Tunnel. But I'm not sure there's that much to say about Vault/Tunnel.

1) Buy a Vault
2) Buy a lot of Tunnels
3) Profit
I counter with "wait for your opponent to buy a Vault, buy a lot of Tunnels.  Profit."
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Re: Combos/Counters Article list
« Reply #11 on: February 01, 2013, 12:21:56 pm »
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I think the wiki should probably become the canonical place for this list.

http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/index.php/Combos_and_Counters_List
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« Reply #12 on: February 01, 2013, 01:27:59 pm »
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Just noticed there's an important Counter to a Combo missing.

Fortress vs. King's Court/Goons/Masquerade
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« Reply #13 on: February 01, 2013, 01:34:45 pm »
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there are probably a bunch of solid counters missing from the list. the list is only combos and counters which have had articles (or discussion threads) written about them. if something is missing go ahead and add it to the wiki.
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« Reply #14 on: February 01, 2013, 01:43:06 pm »
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I think it's more general than that - Fortress is a counter to trashing attacks in general, and in this case KC/goons/masq is acting like an attack which is trashing your deck.
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« Reply #15 on: February 01, 2013, 09:34:54 pm »
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Quote from: ftl on February 01, 2013, 01:43:06 pm
I think it's more general than that - Fortress is a counter to trashing attacks in general, and in this case KC/goons/masq is acting like an attack which is trashing your deck.

That's true, and probably the general defensive use should be in the Fortress article, if there is one.

However, given the devastating effectiveness of KC/G/M, knowing a possible counter to it is useful.  At least... for those of us who aren't playing on Isotropic.
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« Reply #16 on: March 24, 2013, 05:15:46 am »
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Quote from: Hertz_Doughnut on July 21, 2012, 08:23:52 pm
Treasure Map / Warehouse

Since i'm planning to get seaside next, and that treasure map fascinates me somehow, how about :

Treasure map / native village ?

Has anyone tried this method yet ?

[Edit]

Ah i see the problem now.. you have to set aside the top card of your deck, which obviously you don't know what it will be..
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« Reply #17 on: March 24, 2013, 05:18:02 am »
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Quote from: Pikanto on March 24, 2013, 05:15:46 am
Quote from: Hertz_Doughnut on July 21, 2012, 08:23:52 pm
Treasure Map / Warehouse

Since i'm planning to get seaside next, and that treasure map fascinates me somehow, how about :

Treasure map / native village ?

Has anyone tried this method yet ?
Too slow. Watchtower is nice, though.
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« Reply #18 on: March 24, 2013, 03:42:40 pm »
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Quote from: Morgrim7 on March 24, 2013, 05:18:02 am
Quote from: Pikanto on March 24, 2013, 05:15:46 am
Quote from: Hertz_Doughnut on July 21, 2012, 08:23:52 pm
Treasure Map / Warehouse

Since i'm planning to get seaside next, and that treasure map fascinates me somehow, how about :

Treasure map / native village ?

Has anyone tried this method yet ?
Too slow. Watchtower is nice, though.
Watchtower + Talisman
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« Reply #19 on: March 24, 2013, 06:14:27 pm »
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Quote from: eHalcyon on March 24, 2013, 03:42:40 pm
Quote from: Morgrim7 on March 24, 2013, 05:18:02 am
Quote from: Pikanto on March 24, 2013, 05:15:46 am
Quote from: Hertz_Doughnut on July 21, 2012, 08:23:52 pm
Treasure Map / Warehouse

Since i'm planning to get seaside next, and that treasure map fascinates me somehow, how about :

Treasure map / native village ?

Has anyone tried this method yet ?
Too slow. Watchtower is nice, though.
Watchtower + Talisman
Theres a ds article for that, correct?
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« Reply #20 on: March 24, 2013, 08:54:40 pm »
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Quote from: Morgrim7 on March 24, 2013, 06:14:27 pm
Quote from: eHalcyon on March 24, 2013, 03:42:40 pm
Watchtower + Talisman
Theres a ds article for that, correct?

I'd forgotten about that!

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« Reply #21 on: November 26, 2013, 11:32:56 am »
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How about something simple ... Hoard + Gardens ?
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« Reply #22 on: November 26, 2013, 09:45:28 pm »
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How about something simple ... Hoard + Gardens ?

I'd expect that this is mediocre at best.  Hoard is expensive so you can't get it very quickly, and Gardens is cheap so you don't need the Gold gaining from Hoard to buy it.  The main function of Hoard would be as a gainer, but the cost means that you won't be able to buy many of them soon enough to matter.  Many viable Gardens strategies will want to rush a 3-pile ending and thus have no time to pursue Hoard.

I mean, it can probably work on some boards, but I don't think it would be all that amazing.
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« Reply #23 on: November 27, 2013, 09:59:17 am »
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Hoard + Gardens isn't really a rush and it isn't really that simple, either.
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« Reply #24 on: November 27, 2013, 11:14:50 am »
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I remember a game against ehunt I think in the DSC where I played Hoard/Gardens/Royal Seal.  It was extremely powerful and to this day the only time that I have achieved the Bominator CR achievement.
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