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##### Most VPs in 4 turns (again)
« on: June 29, 2012, 11:36:15 pm »
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So, I asked this puzzle once before, but that was a year ago, there's two more sets since then, and we might be able to think of more clever solutions now. It's a tricky puzzle, but it's very easy to understand: In a solitaire game, score as many points as possible in four turns. Possession/Outpost turns count. We got marks in the quiz for each point above 11 we scored, and an extra mark for getting 13+ without Bank. Naturally, that hints at one possible solution.

The quiz setter got a score of 15. I think more is possible, but I haven't managed it.

For now I'll leave this as an open challenge: See if you can score 15 points in 4 turns, or even more. See how many ways you can do it, too!
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##### Re: Most VPs in 4 turns (again)
« Reply #1 on: June 30, 2012, 12:28:01 am »
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As far as using new expansions goes, here's a way to get 13 (edit: fixed) with only Hinterlands.

On T1, spend CCCCE on a Nomad's Camp. T2, draw NC with CCEE--buy 2 Fool's Gold.

T3, draw the remaining C from your deck, shuffle, then draw CCFF. Buy a Province.
T4, draw NCCCC (that's all the rest of your coppers), buy 2 Tunnels.

+10 VP, for 13 total including starting Estates.
« Last Edit: June 30, 2012, 12:45:16 am by blueblimp »
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##### Re: Most VPs in 4 turns (again)
« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2012, 12:36:33 am »
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13, actually, as you didn't trash your starting estates or anything.
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##### Re: Most VPs in 4 turns (again)
« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2012, 12:42:48 am »
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13, actually, as you didn't trash your starting estates or anything.

Thanks, didn't realize the starting points counted.

Here is a solution doing 15 total VP.

Open Council Room / Fool's Gold.

Turn 3, draw Council Room, 3 Estates, and Copper. Play Council Room to draw 4x Copper, and buy 2x FG.
Turn 4, draw remaining 2x Copper and Fool's Gold, shuffle, draw Council Room and Fool's Gold. Play CR to draw another Fool's Gold and 3x Copper, for FFFCCCCC, giving \$14 and 2 buys. Buy a Colony and a Tunnel.

That's +12 VP, for 15 total.
« Last Edit: June 30, 2012, 12:44:58 am by blueblimp »
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##### Re: Most VPs in 4 turns (again)
« Reply #4 on: June 30, 2012, 07:54:44 pm »
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I got one with 14

Turn 1:Haggler
Turn 2:Cellar
Turn 3:Draw Cellar Estate Estate Estate Copper
Cellar everything draw Haggler Copper Copper Copper buy Cache (haggle whatever)
3 card left in deck
Turn 4 draw Copper Copper Copper (reshuffle) Haggler Cache
Buy Province haggle Border Village gaining a duchy

Feel like I should be able to do better

Edit:Actually I got it on turn 3 haggle an ironworks. Turn 4 draw copper copper copper Haggler ironworks. Ironworks an island for +1 action and +1 card drawing the cache. Buy province/bv/duchy. 14 VPs
guess you do have to go for the colony route
« Last Edit: June 30, 2012, 08:08:10 pm by Chuckleslovakian »
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##### Re: Most VPs in 4 turns (again)
« Reply #5 on: July 01, 2012, 01:40:35 am »
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15.
Open: CR Fool's Gold
Turn 3: EEE FG CR. Play CR, draw 4 C. (in deck: 3 C). Buy FGx2. Turn 4: CCC CR FG play CR draw FG, FG, CC. \$14. Colony/Tunnel. 15VP.
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##### Re: Most VPs in 4 turns (again)
« Reply #6 on: July 01, 2012, 10:17:00 am »
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People have gotten some good solutions, CR/FG was the one I thought of to get to 15. Here are some other ways:

1: Council Room
3: Crossroads (3 estates), CR, draw deck, buy Bank
4: CR, draw 7 coppers+Bank, buy Colony+Tunnel/Island/etc.

1: Chancellor
2: Ironworks
3: Ironworks a Watchtower, Chancellor (discard), buy Throne Room
4: Draw TR/IW/W/C/C. TR-Ironworks for Coppersmith (reveal Watchtower, on deck), Island (not on deck). Play Coppersmith. Play Watchtower, drawing 4 more copper (total 6 worth \$2 each). Buy Colony

The second solution there I feel can be improved, but can't work out how to do it.

Another somewhat amusing, but surprisingly competitive solution I found is:

1: Tribute
2: Estate
3: Draw TCCEE, play Tribute, discard CE, draw CC, buy Farmland, Trash Estate, gain Island
4: Draw TFCCC, play Tribute, discard IC, draw CC, buy Farmland, trash Farmland, gain Province. Total: Province+Farmland+Island+3 Estates = 13

Still, I'm convinced there might well be a way to hit 16 points or even more. Maybe these will province inspiration?
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##### Re: Most VPs in 4 turns (again)
« Reply #7 on: July 01, 2012, 11:09:37 am »
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Maybe these will province inspiration?
Intentional, or Freudian slip?
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##### Re: Most VPs in 4 turns (again)
« Reply #8 on: July 01, 2012, 11:34:06 am »
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Another somewhat amusing, but surprisingly competitive solution I found is:

1: Tribute
2: Estate
3: Draw TCCEE, play Tribute, discard CE, draw CC, buy Farmland, Trash Estate, gain Island
4: Draw TFCCC, play Tribute, discard IC, draw CC, buy Farmland, trash Farmland, gain Province. Total: Province+Farmland+Island+3 Estates = 13

I think there's a little bug in this (that is fixable).

Let's say after the first reshuffle that your deck ordering is:
TCCEE CE CC CCE
Then won't you draw CCE** during turn 3's clean-up phase, which makes TFCCC impossible? But if you draw TFCCE, that should still be fine, since discarding IC and drawing CC gives you +\$4.
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##### Re: Most VPs in 4 turns (again)
« Reply #9 on: July 01, 2012, 01:47:43 pm »
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I can get 12 from
Open Develop Potion
Develop Potion into Duchy Tunnel Buy Tunnel

Edit: Actually, slightly better is
13 from
C C C C E Open Nomad Camp
NC C C C E Buy Develop Estate
E *reshuffle* NC D C C, Develop NC to Duchy Tunnel, Buy Estate (as can only have two coppers)
C C C C C Buy Duchy
« Last Edit: July 01, 2012, 01:58:24 pm by Adrienaline »
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##### Re: Most VPs in 4 turns (again)
« Reply #10 on: July 01, 2012, 03:14:01 pm »
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I can get 12 from
Open Develop Potion
Develop Potion into Duchy Tunnel Buy Tunnel

Edit: Actually, slightly better is
13 from
C C C C E Open Nomad Camp
NC C C C E Buy Develop Estate
E *reshuffle* NC D C C, Develop NC to Duchy Tunnel, Buy Estate (as can only have two coppers)
C C C C C Buy Duchy

Bug in second solution: the Develop top-decking Duchy and Tunnel means you can't draw CCCCC next turn. First solution looks fine.
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##### Re: Most VPs in 4 turns (again)
« Reply #11 on: July 01, 2012, 03:34:26 pm »
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Another method for 13:

Open Tunnel/Cellar.

T3: Draw LEECT. Play Cellar, discarding everything, revealing Tunnel to gain a Gold, and draw CCCC. Buy a Baron.
T4: Draw CCE, reshuffle, draw GB. Play Baron, discarding an Estate, then buy a Farmland, remodeling Gold to a Province.

End with Province, Farmland, Tunnel, 3x Estate, for 13 points.

And a very trivial 13:

Open Coppersmith/Tunnel.
T3: Draw Coppersmith CCCC, buy a Province.
T4: Draw CCCEE, buy a Tunnel.

For Province, 2x Tunnel, 3x Estate, which is 13 points.
« Last Edit: July 01, 2012, 03:38:54 pm by blueblimp »
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##### Re: Most VPs in 4 turns (again)
« Reply #12 on: July 03, 2012, 11:37:51 pm »
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this is just twelve but like it.

turn one. five coppers. buy duchy + gain duchess
turn 3. hand: copper copper copper copper duchess. duchess discards a copper. buy duchy. gain duchess.
turn 4. hand: xroads estate estate estate duchy. play xroads. draw two coppers, reshuffle, draw two duchesses. buy duchy.
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##### Re: Most VPs in 4 turns (again)
« Reply #13 on: July 04, 2012, 05:22:02 am »
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12, card that nobody used yet (Feast):

Turn 1: Feast
Turn 2: Tunnel
Turn 3: Feast CCEE -> Gain Duchy, buy Estate
Turn 4: CCCCC -> Buy Duchy
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##### Re: Most VPs in 4 turns (again)
« Reply #14 on: July 04, 2012, 05:29:27 am »
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15

Turn 1: Ironworks
Turn 2: Chancellor
Turn 3: Ironworks, gain an Island, play Chancellor (choose to reshuffle), four coppers, buy a Border Village, gaining a Remodel.
Turn 4: Draw Ironworks, Border Village, Remodel, copper, copper. Play Ironworks, gaining an Island, drawing a copper. Remodel Border Village into a Province. Buy Tunnel.
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##### Re: Most VPs in 4 turns (again)
« Reply #15 on: July 04, 2012, 10:53:56 am »
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##### Re: Most VPs in 4 turns (again)
« Reply #16 on: July 05, 2012, 05:26:54 pm »
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Trying out thing with Smugglers.
Most I can get is 13, in two ways:

Turn 1: Smuglers
Turn 2: Feast
Turn 3: Feast -> Duchy, CCC -> Tunnel
Turn 4: Smugly -> Duchy CCC -> Tunnel

Also
Turn 1: Smuglers
Turn 2: Throneroom
Turn 3: CCCCC -> Duchy
Turn 4: TR + Smuglers -> 2x Duchy, CC -> Estate

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##### Re: Most VPs in 4 turns (again)
« Reply #17 on: July 06, 2012, 04:09:40 am »
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16

Open Envoy/Tunnel, shuffle EeeecTcccccc
3: play Envoy, discard Tunnel, gain Gold, buy Duchy
4: play Envoy, buy Farmland, remodel Gold to Province

Still some room for improvement... One additional money to spend on either t3 or t4.
Haven't figured out (yet ?) how to use that for an additional point though.

And a new solution for 15
Open Ironworks/Chancelor
3: Ironwork a Salvager, buy a Peddler
4: Ironwork an Island, salvage Peddler, buy Colony

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##### Re: Most VPs in 4 turns (again)
« Reply #18 on: July 08, 2012, 04:37:21 am »
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17

Turn 3: Draw Haggler and 4 Coppers and play them all. Buy Border Village, gaining Embassy and Salvager.
Turn 4: Draw Crossroads, 3 Estates and Copper. Play Crossroads, drawing 2 Coppers (reshuffle) and Embassy. Play Embassy, drawing Salvager, Border Village, Haggler and 2 Coppers and discarding 3 Estates. Play Salvager, trashing Border Village. Play Haggler and 5 Coppers. Buy Colony, gaining Border Village, gaining Duchy; and Estate, gaining Copper.

I suspect going above 15 is impossible without Hinterlands cards, and I can't really see any room for improving my solution with all the current cards.
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##### Re: Most VPs in 4 turns (again)
« Reply #19 on: July 08, 2012, 07:12:49 am »
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Actually, I can get a score of 18.

Open Library/Hamlet
Turn 3: Draw Library, Hamlet, 2 Estates and Copper. Play Hamlet, drawing Copper and discarding 2 Estates for +1 Action and +1 Buy. Play Library, drawing 5 Copper. Play 7 Copper and buy Develop and Peddler.
Turn 4: Draw Estate, (reshuffle), Estate, Hamlet, Develop and Library. Play Hamlet, drawing Peddler and discarding 2 Estates for +1 Action and +1 Buy. Play Develop, trashing Peddler and gaining Platinum and Bank on top of deck. Play Library, drawing Platinum, Bank and 5 Coppers. Play 5 Coppers and Bank (worth \$6). Buy Duchy and Farmland, trashing Platinum and gaining Colony.
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##### Re: Most VPs in 4 turns (again)
« Reply #20 on: July 08, 2012, 03:48:16 pm »
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Those are both just beautiful, especially the way you use totally different cards to achieve them.
« Last Edit: July 11, 2012, 02:39:38 am by Eevee »
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##### Re: Most VPs in 4 turns (again)
« Reply #21 on: July 09, 2012, 12:57:04 pm »
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I believe you both have and deserve the highest post to respect ratio of anyone on F:DS. Quick, make a new account so you never have to post again!

But seriously, I'm very impressed, and agree with Eevee, those are impressive methods.
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##### Re: Most VPs in 4 turns (again)
« Reply #22 on: July 10, 2012, 11:46:29 am »
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So I'm a bit late, but I've managed to get 19 using a similar method to Celestial Chameleon's second above; still, I can't shake the feeling that the buys on T3 could be used to get something even better going with Tunnel/Hamlet or Crossroads or Border Village or Remake or something.

1: \$4 -> Nomad camp
2: \$3 + Nomad camp -> Watchtower, Hamlet (draw e, shuffle, draw all actions and c)
3: Play Hamlet, discarding e and c, drawing c; play Nomad Camp, then Watchtower, drawing 5 c; buy Peddler, Develop, Tunnel (ee left on deck) - draw ee, shuffle, Hamlet, Peddler, Develop
4: Play Hamlet, discarding e and e, drawing Watchtower; Develop Peddler into Plat+Bank; play Watchtower, drawing Bank+Plat+4c, play 4c+Bank and buy Tunnel and Farmland, trashing Plat for Colony
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##### Re: Most VPs in 4 turns (again)
« Reply #23 on: July 11, 2012, 07:13:06 am »
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Looking at ways to improve Kelume's solution, I haven't been able to beat 19, but I have been able to buy both Colony and Province on Turn 4:

Turn 1: Draw 4 Coppers and Estate. Play 4 Coppers and buy Nomad Camp, putting it on top of deck.
Turn 2: Draw Nomad Camp, 3 Coppers and Estate. Play Nomad Camp and 3 Coppers, and buy Watchtower and Hamlet.
Turn 3: Draw Estate, (reshuffle), Copper, Hamlet, Nomad Camp and Watchtower. Play Hamlet, drawing Copper and discarding Estate and Copper for +1 Action and +1 Buy. Play Nomad Camp then Watchtower, drawing 5 Coppers. Play 6 Copper, buying Crossroads, Copper and Border Village, gaining Develop.
Turn 4: Draw Estate, Estate, (reshuffle), Crossroads, Hamlet and Watchtower. Play Crossroads, drawing Develop and Border Village. Play Hamlet, drawing Nomad Camp and discarding 2 Estates for +1 Action and +1 Buy. Play Nomad Camp. Play Develop, trashing Border Village and gaining Council Room and Bank on top of deck. Play Watchtower, drawing Council Room, Bank and 4 Coppers. Play Council Room, drawing 4 Copper. Play 8 Copper and Bank (worth \$9). Buy Colony and Province.

Incidentally, this also takes the record for this challenge, with \$19 in play by the end of Turn 4.
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##### Re: Most VPs in 4 turns (again)
« Reply #24 on: July 11, 2012, 11:57:53 am »
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Some increasingly convoluted steps to get 21, a new best for me:

1: \$4 -> Nomad camp
2: \$3 + Nomad camp -> Watchtower, Hamlet (draw e, shuffle, draw all actions and c)
3: Play Hamlet, discarding e and c, drawing c; play Nomad Camp, then Watchtower, drawing 5 c; buy Crossroads, Tunnel, Develop (ee left on deck) - draw ee, shuffle, e, tunnel, Crossroads
4: Play Crossroads, drawing Hamlet, Develop, Nomad Camp, and Watchtower; play Develop, trashing Nomad Camp, topdecking Vault and Develop; play Hamlet, drawing Vault, discarding tunnel and e, topdecking Gold; play Vault, drawing Gold and Develop, discarding e and e for \$2; Develop Gold into Bank+Horn of Plenty; play Watchtower, drawing Bank+HoP+4c, play 4c+Bank(\$5); play HoP, gaining Province; buy Colony

Phew, that's enough thinking for today. 8P
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