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[faust]

Welcome to M112: Gilmore Girls Mafia!

Mod: faust

This is a semi-open setup for 12 players. Flavor is based on the show Gilmore Girls.

Players:
1. Robz888
2. Awaclus
3. Roadrunner7671
4. silverspawn
5. theorel
6. SpaceAnemone
7. Joseph2302
8. The_Wine_Merchant
9. schadd
10. DatSwan
11. Lekkit
12. IDontPlayThisGame

Spectators tagged: schadd, Teproc, Galzria, mcmcsalot, ashersky

Day starts/ends:

General rules

Changes to the usual rule sets are marked in olive.

The Golden Rule:

Please remember that this is a game and your main objective is to have fun!  Be considerate of each other, don’t get personal, and enjoy the game. Please read The Civility Pledge before signing up for any mafia game on this site.  If you have not /pledged there, you cannot play. Excessive personal attacks or uncivil behavior may be dealt with by modifiers or modkills.

1. General Gameplay and Etiquette:

1. You may not quote information (either real or fabricated) from any game-related source other than the thread you are posting in. This means no quotes from PMs and no quotes from QTs in the main thread or in another QT. Paraphrasing is acceptable. If you are unsure whether a post is legal, please ask the moderator before posting.
2. There is to be NO personal communication outside of the forum postings and the QTs specifically designed for this purpose.
3. As a general rule you should aim for one post every 24 hours, minimum, to keep the game moving.

2. Voting, Deadlines, and Player Death:

1. Day phases will last 7 days, Night lasts at least 36 hours.
2. A simple majority (rounded up) of all living members must agree on one person for a lynch to occur prior to deadline.
3. Once you have reached a simple majority no further unvoting will change someone’s fate. Further votes will also be ignored.
4. Once a player is lynched the game enters twilight until the mod locks the thread; all players including the one who was lynched may continue to post during twilight.
5. If the deadline is hit without a player reaching the majority of votes, the player with the most votes will be lynched. If two or more players are tied, whoever had more votes at the end of the previous Day is lynched. If still tied, the lynchee is determined randomly among the tied players.
6. Please submit votes as: Vote: PlayerName.  Votes will NOT be counted if they are not bold or do not follow this syntax! Obvious abbreviations or nicknames will be counted so long as they are unambiguous.
7. Please submit vote revocations Unvote. Unvotes are not necessary before changing votes.
8. You may Vote: No Lynch - a simple majority of these vote types are required to send the game to Night phase without a lynch.
9. If the game goes on for 3 days and 3 nights without a lynch or night kill and there is at least one Mime left alive, the Mimes win. If no Mimes are left alive and this happens, town wins.
10. Once you are killed (either via lynch or night kill) you may no longer post in the game or in Quicktopics. This means that you do not even get a “Bah” post. The dead in this game are silent.
11. If the thread is locked, you may not post.  Threads can be locked for various reasons, but no matter what the reason, you may not post.  The mod may forget to lock the thread, but if they say it is locked, it is still locked.

3. Miscellaneous/Mechanics:

1. Bold, olive text is reserved for the mod.  No invisible/small text is allowed, nor is cryptography.
2. If you have an issue/problem with the game, please discuss this in your role QT.  Do not post issues/complaints in the game thread.
3. The Mods may make mistakes - please point out any mistakes gently.  Mistakes will be corrected where possible, but sometimes mistakes are made that cannot be reversed.  These will stand as final to be commiserated over after the game.
4. Please bold all requests to the Mods so that they don’t get missed.
5. Prods of missing players will be issued upon request after 24 hours of no activity.  A prodded player has 24 hours to respond or risks replacement. A player who has been prodded 2 times is subject to replacement under rule 3.9 without further notice.  If you anticipate being unavailable for more than a 48-hour period please post a notice to that effect in the thread.  Whether a prior announcement means that the missing player will not be replaced is up to the mod.
6. Please do not discuss ongoing games, it can unintentionally affect the other game. Do not discuss this game in any thread that is not directly related to it.
7. Rule violations will be dealt with according to their severity, which may include modkill(s) if needed.
8. Players who discover they are too busy to play in a game or want to leave the game for civility issues are not allowed to officially /out in the thread.  A request to /out must only be done via a post in the role QT. Please do not use this as a manipulation technique.  (Note players may continue to threaten to /out or imply that they might as long as it does not include an official request). Requests to /out are final once submitted. There will be no /outing and then /inning back into the game so make sure that when you /out you have thought it through and really want to do it. Players that can't be replaced will simply be mod-killed. Whether your request to /out will lead to replacement or a modkill is up to the mod's discretion.

[faust]

Setup

This is a semi-open game that uses a Matrix setup. There are always three factions: Town, Mafia, Mimes. These are the win conditions for each group:

You win when all Mafia-aligned players are dead, there is at least 1 town player left alive, and no other faction has achieved its win-con.

You win when at least 50% of all living players are Mafia-aligned at night start, and at least one Mime has not been lynched, or when nothing can stop that from happening.

You win when all members of your faction have been lynched, or when at least 50% of all living players are Mime-aligned at daybreak.

There are 12 players in this game. Of those, 8 are Town-aligned, 2 are Mafia-aligned, and 2 are Mime-aligned.

Setup is determined as follows: I will randomly choose any row, column, or one of the tow diagonals from the matrix below. The very first and last row and column cannot be selected. The PRs from there will be added to the game. Then, the game is filled with Vanilla member of the three factions to reach the faction sizes detailed above. All scum powers are factional abilities. Active factional ablities may not be used in conjunction with the main factional ability, which is a kill for the Mafia and a Jailkeeper for the Mimes, unless there is only a single member of the faction left alive.

Mime Miller	Mime 1-shot Bulletproof	Mime Goon	Mime 1-shot Janitor	Mafia Strong-Willed
Mime Goon	Odd-Night Mafia Cop	Vanilla Townie	Vanilla Townie	Mafia Goon
Mime Miller	1-shot Vigilante	Weak Doctor	1-shot Deathproof	Mafia 1-shot Janitor
Mime 1-shot Bulletproof	Babysitter	Jailkeeper	Bomb	Mafia Strong-Willed
Mime 1-shot Janitor	Mafia Roleblocker	Mafia 1-shot Janitor	Mafia Goon	Mafia Roleblocker

Clarifications:

- both scum teams have daychat.
- the Mimes have a factional Jailkeeper that they may use once each Night. They cannot self-target, but one Mime may target the other.
- the Mime's 1-shot Bulletproof is a shared power and will be used up the first time a Mime would be killed. The Mimes are not informed when this happens.
- the Odd-Night Mafia Cop receives only the result Mafia if their target is Mafia-aligned, and no result in all other cases.
- the Weak Doctor dies when targeting a Mafia-aligned player or the 1-shot Vigilante. Their target is still protected in this case.
- the Mime Miller investigates as Mafia to the Odd-Night Mafia Cop, and will kill the Weak Doctor if targeted. Mimes may decide during N0 which of them should be the Miller.
- Babysitter counts as a killing action, and will trigger the Bomb if targeting them, effectively killing both.
- a Mafia Strong-Willed cannot be blocked by Jailkeepers, but the kill will still fail if the target is jailkept. The Mafia may decide N0 who of them should be Strong-Willed.
- if Mimes or Mafia have a 1-shot Janitor, they may select 2 players each Night (including N0). If either dies that Night or at the end of the following Day, there will be no flip. Once this has happened, there can be no further Janitoring. The Janitoring fails if at least one member of the team was roleblocked; in this case the shot is not used up.
- in case of conflict, the resolution order for roleblocking is Mime Jailkeeper -> Mafia Roleblocker -> Town Jailkeeper.
- only town PRs will receive individual QTs!

Flavor:

Flavor will come from the show Gilmore Girls. It is not necessary to be familiar with the show, at least not for the purposes of this game. Only Power Roles and scum players will have flavor names, each town PR has a fixed assigned name as detailed below. VTs will simply be known as Vanilla Residents of Stars Hollow.

Role PMs:

You are a Vanilla Resident of Stars Hollow!

Your only weapon is your vote.

You win when all Mafia-aligned players are dead, there is at least 1 town player left alive, and no other faction has achieved its win-con.

You are Rory Gilmore, the Odd-Night Mafia Cop!

Every odd night, you may target another player. If your target is mafia-aligned, you will receive a message stating this.

You win when all Mafia-aligned players are dead, there is at least 1 town player left alive, and no other faction has achieved its win-con.

You are Luke Danes, the 1-shot Vigilante!

Once during the game, at night, you may target another player. That player will die.

You win when all Mafia-aligned players are dead, there is at least 1 town player left alive, and no other faction has achieved its win-con.

You are Sookie St. James, the Weak Doctor!

Each night, you may target a player. If that player is mafia-aligned or a 1-shot Vigilante, you will die. Either way, your target will be protected from a single nightkill that night.

You win when all Mafia-aligned players are dead, there is at least 1 town player left alive, and no other faction has achieved its win-con.

You are Lorelai Gilmore, the 1-shot Deathproof!

The first time you would die, you will continue living. If this is via lynch, then the day will end with no lynch.

You win when all Mafia-aligned players are dead, there is at least 1 town player left alive, and no other faction has achieved its win-con.

You are Lane Kim, the Babysitter!

Each night, you may target one other player. That player is protected from a single nightkill that night. However, if you are killed that night, there will be no protection, and instead your target will die.

You win when all Mafia-aligned players are dead, there is at least 1 town player left alive, and no other faction has achieved its win-con.

You are Emily Gilmore, the Jailkeeper!

Each night, you may target one other player. That player is protected from a single nightkill that night, and all actions they take will be blocked.

You win when all Mafia-aligned players are dead, there is at least 1 town player left alive, and no other faction has achieved its win-con.

You are Paris Geller, the Bomb!

If you are successfully targeted by a killing action, the player who performed that action will die.

You win when all Mafia-aligned players are dead, there is at least 1 town player left alive, and no other faction has achieved its win-con.

You are XXX, the Mafia Goon!

You may talk to your partner at all times, as long as both of you are alive, in this QT: [QT link]

Each night, one of you may target another player. That player will be killed.

You win when at least 50% of all living players are Mafia-aligned at night start, and at least one Mime has not been lynched, or when nothing can stop that from happening.

You are XXX, the Mime Goon!

You may talk to your partner at all times, as long as both of you are alive, in this QT: [QT link]

Each night, one of you may target another player. That player will be protected from a single nightkill, and any action they take that night will be blocked.

If your partner is ever killed at night, you will immediately commit suicide.

You win when all members of your faction have been lynched, or when at least 50% of all living players are Mime-aligned at daybreak.

[Robz888]

/in

[Awaclus]

/in

[Roadrunner7671]

/in

[silverspawn]

I am so ready for mimes. /in

[schadd]

tag

[Teproc]

Mimes are back ! Awesome, though I'll probably be spectating this one.

[theorel]

I want to play Mafia again, so \in.

[faust]

More info added. If you have any further questions on the setup, it is probably best to ask before game start. For reference, Mimes have been used previously on f.ds in M66.

[Galzria]

Setup looks fun, but not going to in at this time.

[SpaceAnemone]

/in

I totally have time to play this even if my RMM eventually fills, right? :-P

(I like the setup, but I don't know the flavour at all -- I assume that's okay?)

[Joseph2302]

/in

[faust]

(I like the setup, but I don't know the flavour at all -- I assume that's okay?)

It may be, but it is not okay to not read the setup post, where such things are clarified.

[Joseph2302]

(I like the setup, but I don't know the flavour at all -- I assume that's okay?)

It may be, but it is not okay to not read the setup post, where such things are clarified.

I thought not reading the setup was a town meta thing to do?

[silverspawn]

faust is known to be very supportive and understanding of that meta.

[Joseph2302]

faust is known to be very supportive and understanding of that meta.

Aren't you the one that started it?

[mcmcsalot]

Meow

[ashersky]

Tag

[The_Wine_Merchant]

oy with the poodles already!

/in

[The_Wine_Merchant]

Lane and Rory should be switched.

[schadd]

/in

-mime win means everyone else immediately loses?
-a mime getting nightkilled means the other one suicides?

[SpaceAnemone]

(I like the setup, but I don't know the flavour at all -- I assume that's okay?)

It may be, but it is not okay to not read the setup post, where such things are clarified.

I read half the setup post and decided it sounded like fun. I promise I'll read the whole thing in detail before play begins :-)

[theorel]

Yeah, I'm a little unclear on the end-game.
It sounds like mime lynching does not end the game?
So, if both mimes are lynched they win, along with whichever other faction wins?  (Wait, no mafia cannot win in that case.  per the win-con, but town still can?)

And for end-game scenarios with mimes...it sounds like, from the win-cons you get the following situations:
2 town, 1 mime: town wins, mimes lose.  (Or more generically, X Town, Y Mimes->Town win mime loss for any X>Y.)
1 town, 1 mime: town and mimes win.
1/2 town, 2 mimes: town and mimes win.
2 mimes, 2 mafia at daybreak: both win? (mime win-con is met immediately, mafia wincon could be met eventually)
1 mime, 1 mafia: mime win only?  Mime can constantly jailkeep mafia, so mafia can never reach wincon (unless strong-willed)?

If we get to 1 of each...
if mime is lynched: mime wins alone.
if town is lynched: mime wins alone (unless mafia is strong-willed as above)
if mafia is lynched: mime and town wins together.
So, mime wins, and mafia needs to lynch mime, mime needs to lynch town.  That sounds interesting.

(all of this assumes no mime has been nked before the scenario begins).  Is that all accurate?  I assume the role PM will make it clear if the mimes die together on nk.

[silverspawn]

I think if any faction wins the other 2 lose.

[faust]

Upon further reflection, I have amended the mafia's win condition. Also, role PMs for scum are now up.

Only one faction can win the game. The game ends as soon as any faction reaches their win condition.

With regards to theorel's end-game scenarios:

2 town, 1 mime -> town win
1 town, 1 mime -> mime win
1/2 town, 2 mimes -> mime win
2 mimes, 2 mafia at daybreak -> mime win
1 mime, 1 mafia -> depends on when the scenario occurs.

1 of each:
If Mime is lynched, mimes win.
If town is lynched, mafia wins.
If mafia is lynched, town wins.

I hope this produces the least amount of kingmaking.

[Swowl]

/in

[Kirian]

This only works if everyone talks as fast as possible and drinks a lot of coffee.

[Lekkit]

And don't forget to eat a lot of sweets.

I think I can /in this one.

[schadd]

if i had a haaaammer, i'd a'hammer in the mooornin
i'd a'hammer in the eeeevenin, all over this laaand,
i'd a'hammer out danger, i'd a'hammer out warnin,
i'd a'hammer out the love between, the brothers and the sister,
ah, all over this land

[faust]

Lane and Rory should be switched.

Indeed. I have updated things accordingly.

[theorel]

Upon further reflection, I have amended the mafia's win condition. Also, role PMs for scum are now up.

Only one faction can win the game. The game ends as soon as any faction reaches their win condition.

With regards to theorel's end-game scenarios:

2 town, 1 mime -> town win
1 town, 1 mime -> mime win
1/2 town, 2 mimes -> mime win
2 mimes, 2 mafia at daybreak -> mime win
1 mime, 1 mafia -> depends on when the scenario occurs.

1 of each:
If Mime is lynched, mimes win.
If town is lynched, mafia wins.
If mafia is lynched, town wins.

I hope this produces the least amount of kingmaking.

Then the Town win-con should technically be:
You win when all Mafia-aligned players are dead, >50% of all living players are Town-aligned, and at least 1 Mime has not been lynched.

(not saying you need to change it, but that covers all the town-loss cases I think.)
Alternatively, the town win-con could be:
You win when all Mafia-aligned players are dead, there is at least 1 town player left alive, and no other faction has achieved its win-con.

[Joseph2302]

/hammer

[faust]

/hammer

Nice try.

[faust]

As theorel pointed out, the town wincon wasn't precise enough. This is fixed now.

[faust]

Added clarification:

- only town PRs will receive individual QTs!

[IDontPlayThisGame]

/in

[silverspawn]

that was the hammer.

[Robz888]

Better be. We have no ongoing normal games right now!

[faust]

All PMs have been sent out and N0 begins (and will last 24 hours)!

Everyone, please respond in your QT (if applicable) or via PM.

Thread locked!

[faust]

The room was filled to the brim as everyone waited for Taylor to clear things up. For the last couple of days, he had been informing people about an upcoming "emergency town meeting", where as he put it "the future fate of Stars Hollow and all its fine people" would be at stake. Yet noone seemed to know any details.

Suddenly, the door burst open. "Sorry!", Lorelai exclaimed, who seemed exhausted from a long run. Everyone turned around then. "Sorry", Rory whispered too, accompanying her. They took their seat in one a the back rows. Now Taylor stepped onto the stage.

Day 1 begins!

Vote Count 1.0

Not Voting (12): Robz888, Awaclus, Roadrunner7671, silverspawn, theorel, SpaceAnemone, Joseph2302, The_Wine_Merchant, schadd, DatSwan, Lekkit, IDontPlayThisGame

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends Jan 25 at 4 am forum time.

[Awaclus]

Vote: silverspawn

[theorel]

vote: Robz, don't want him to win as scum again.

[Roadrunner7671]

Vote: theorel for being a morning person in my timezone

[theorel]

Vote: theorel for being a morning person in my timezone

It's even worse than that, I'm a morning person in my own time zone

[Awaclus]

vote: Robz, don't want him to win as scum again.

But you're helping him win if he's a mime.

[Robz888]

Anybody play the other game with mimes and have insights?

[Joseph2302]

I'm the SK

[Joseph2302]

Vote: RR. Always scum

[schadd]

bork bork

vote: theorel

[schadd]

i think that for the most part mimes aren't going to have a game plan/know how to behave so i think withholding mime reads for a while is useful

[Joseph2302]

i think that for the most part mimes aren't going to have a game plan/know how to behave so i think withholding mime reads for a while is useful

Obvious mime thing to say

[Awaclus]

i think that for the most part mimes aren't going to have a game plan/know how to behave so i think withholding mime reads for a while is useful

Obvious mime thing to say

t. the guy who claimed SK

[IDontPlayThisGame]

vote: Space for betraying me in M110.

Anybody play the other game with mimes and have insights?

Nope. Never played with mimes before.

i think that for the most part mimes aren't going to have a game plan/know how to behave so i think withholding mime reads for a while is useful

Is there a point to announcing mime reads? It gives scum a free NK if you're right.

[schadd]

i guess now that i think about it the only time one would bother conjecturing someone is mime is if you think they're getting lynched. but there's also like the benefit of seeing someone's reads for transparency/accountability purposes which i'm discounting in favor of mimes not knowing whattup.

do you suppose town wants / doesn't want mimes to be nightkilled? janitor and miller are both objectively anti-town as well as mimes' day play i would think, it just happens that our interests align with scum

[theorel]

Is there a point to announcing mime reads? It gives scum a free NK if you're right.

If scum burns a nk on mimes, that's pro-town.  It doesn't matter that 2 players die, since no town players die, that's like a doctor hitting the nk.
Mimes are also super anti-town.  Firstly, they're trying to draw the lynch to satisfy their own win-con...which is generally not achieved by being super pro-town.  Additionally, it makes scum-hunting tricky because obviously scummy activity could just be a mime trying to get lynched, so we'll be constantly second-guessing ourselves/one another about whether we're picking up on mime-behavior or mafia-behavior.

Now, it might still be pro-mafia to kill mimes.  Mimes have built-in jailkeeping which may sometimes interfere with their kill, if the mimes do get lynched they win, which is obviously a negative for the mafia.  At some point, mimes can try to just win the game by being 50% of the town at daybreak regardless of if they lynch mafia or town.  I think probably mafia wants to kill mimes at some point at night, if they can manage it.  If we lynch/nk down to 4 players and 2 are mimes, mimes win, again bad for mafia.

Ultimately, whether it's good or not to share mime-reads, it's certainly not because of an "extra NK".

[IDontPlayThisGame]

So it's a bit more complicated than I thought. Okay.

[theorel]

multiple scum-teams are always complicated

Mimes are a bit different...we can't kill them, but they also don't add a kill.  our best bet is to win before them.
Let's see...with 12 players, 8 town...we need to lynch scum before it gets to 4 players (assuming we never lynch mimes, and they never get nk'd).
Assuming 1 lynch/1 nk each day, that gives us 4 days to win.  (Day2=10 players, Day3=8 players, Day4=6 players, Day5=5 players, since mafia all were lynched)

If we lynch mimes once, then we can win at 3 players, so that's like a null-day, otherwise we need to hit mafia by Day 3.
Of course, if a mime is nk'd that changes everything, and so if we fail to lynch mafia on Day 3, but mafia nk's the mimes, then Day4 has 5 players and 2 mafia=lylo.
There's also the vig, the bomb, the jailkeeping, babysitter, and weak doctor...any of those can change number of town and/or mafia players alive on a given day.  But failing any interesting night-activity, we have 3 days to hit scum, which is pretty normal.  But they're only 1/6 of the players, which will make things tough.

[Awaclus]

do you suppose town wants / doesn't want mimes to be nightkilled? janitor and miller are both objectively anti-town as well as mimes' day play i would think, it just happens that our interests align with scum

We absolutely do want Mimes to be NK'd by Mafia. There are three factions, so each faction has two enemies, and if we have one enemy spend their time and resources to get rid of the other enemy, that's super beneficial for us.

[Roadrunner7671]

It's like the old saying goes: "The enemy of my enemy is my friend." Since the mimes are mafia's enemy, mafia is our friend. And since the mafia are enemies to mimes, mimes are our friends.

[silverspawn]

Hi everyone, I'm a mime. I'm telling you so you'll lynch me out of WIFOM.

[silverspawn]

vote: silver

[Awaclus]

Hi everyone, I'm a mime. I'm telling you so you'll lynch me out of WIFOM.

No, you're mafia. Just like in Futuramafia.

[silverspawn]

Hi everyone, I'm a mime. I'm telling you so you'll lynch me out of WIFOM.

No, you're mafia. Just like in Futuramafia.

Great, then lynch me.

[Roadrunner7671]

vote: silver

Oh yeah, mimes will also self hammer. So we should treat L-2 like L-1, right?

[theorel]

vote: silver

Oh yeah, mimes will also self hammer. So we should treat L-2 like L-1, right?

What do you mean by "treat like L-1"?  Like, are you going to do something special at L-1?  We shouldn't just randomly be putting people that close to a lynch, whereas normally we wouldn't be so concerned about it.  But usually we don't push people randomly to L-1.
Generally the reason L-1 is important is if the person has final words or wants to PR-claim or something before we lynch them.  If they're a mime, they'll just short-circuit that discussion and lynch themselves.  But really, we shouldn't be putting players up to L-1 with no actual intention to lynch, and in the case that they're a mime...well, that's unfortunate.

[Robz888]

Sometimes you L-1 people for information.

[schadd]

Hi everyone, I'm a mime. I'm telling you so you'll lynch me out of WIFOM.

see i was thinking about claiming mafia


putting people to L-2 is useful for letting, for instance, me, swoop in to clear someone as mime

[SpaceAnemone]

Hi all! I nearly posted first thing this morning, but I wasn't sure the thread was definitely unlocked... then a long and busy day happened and it became super-late already.

I think it's safe enough to open with vote: Joseph.

I'm gong to be kind of VLA for the next 48 hours, but I'll try to check in when possible.

[Lekkit]

Can't really say I'm a fan of silverspawn's claim.

[silverspawn]

I'm just going to sit in a corner and feel disgruntled.

[Joseph2302]

Hi everyone, I'm a mime. I'm telling you so you'll lynch me out of WIFOM.

This is true. I know because I'm the other mime

[Awaclus]

Hi everyone, I'm a mime. I'm telling you so you'll lynch me out of WIFOM.

This is true. I know because I'm the other mime

Then why aren't you voting for silverspawn?

[IDontPlayThisGame]

Can't really say I'm a fan of silverspawn's claim.

I don't like Joseph's either. I don't see how they help.

[SpaceAnemone]

Can't really say I'm a fan of silverspawn's claim.

I don't like Joseph's either. I don't see how they help.

Yeah, but the difference between them is that I'd put a much higher prior on town!silver playing in a pro-town manner than town!Joseph. It might just be pro-town for silver to wifom us and draw suspicion, but I feel like Joseph's meta is just to mess about regardless.

[SpaceAnemone]

vote: Space for betraying me in M110.

M110 feels like ages ago. I don't even remember what happened without my game notes, and I'm traveling sans laptop till tomorrow night. Sorry if I did a bad thing! :-P

[IDontPlayThisGame]

Can't really say I'm a fan of silverspawn's claim.

I don't like Joseph's either. I don't see how they help.

Yeah, but the difference between them is that I'd put a much higher prior on town!silver playing in a pro-town manner than town!Joseph. It might just be pro-town for silver to wifom us and draw suspicion, but I feel like Joseph's meta is just to mess about regardless.

Well, I agree about Joseph. As for silverspawn, I'm going to think about it a bit more.

[Robz888]

Joseph claimed SK last game, was unhelpful, got lynched Day 1, it was bad for town.

[Awaclus]

Joseph claimed SK last game, was unhelpful, got lynched Day 1, it was bad for town.

He has claimed SK in all the recent games I can remember.

[SpaceAnemone]

Joseph claimed SK last game, was unhelpful, got lynched Day 1, it was bad for town.

Not just last game.. it's pretty much how he goes most  games, isn't it?

Mimes must be feeling pretty lucky if he's drawn mime here, because he's an easy person to want to lynch quite often. I guess we can't just have default low-town-utility lynches here.

PPE at least 1. Yeah, it's his "thing".

[Joseph2302]

Hi everyone, I'm a mime. I'm telling you so you'll lynch me out of WIFOM.

This is true. I know because I'm the other mime

Then why aren't you voting for silverspawn?

Or I could self-vote.
But Vote: ss it is then

[Joseph2302]

Can't really say I'm a fan of silverspawn's claim.

I don't like Joseph's either. I don't see how they help.

Yeah, but the difference between them is that I'd put a much higher prior on town!silver playing in a pro-town manner than town!Joseph. It might just be pro-town for silver to wifom us and draw suspicion, but I feel like Joseph's meta is just to mess about regardless.

Actually that's usually my town meta.
As scum I usually try and hide in the background more

[Joseph2302]

Joseph claimed SK last game, was unhelpful, got lynched Day 1, it was bad for town.

Not just last game.. it's pretty much how he goes most  games, isn't it?

Yh I started this a while back

[Joseph2302]

Post count so far:

Everyone - not many
Me - enough to be towny

[theorel]

Weekend incoming, activity will probably plummet.
I think IDPTG is clearly town, so I'm going to join him in voting for SpaceAnemone.  His argument is very convincing, people should definitely read it (although I'm not going to link it, because it would require too much effort to lookup) vote: Space

[silverspawn]

Can't really say I'm a fan of silverspawn's claim.

I don't like Joseph's either. I don't see how they help.

Yeah, but the difference between them is that I'd put a much higher prior on town!silver playing in a pro-town manner than town!Joseph. It might just be pro-town for silver to wifom us and draw suspicion, but I feel like Joseph's meta is just to mess about regardless.

I like your post because it included the term 'prior'.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

Well. Two days in and I am already behind. All the sorriez. I'll catch up over the weekend.

[Joseph2302]

Well. Two days in and I am already behind. All the sorriez. I'll catch up over the weekend.

Obv!scum post here

[schadd]

vote: lekkit

[Swowl]

Sorry all i did not realize this had started.

Clarification question as i read through - BOTH mimes need to be lynched to acquire their win con right?

[silverspawn]

Sorry all i did not realize this had started.

Clarification question as i read through - BOTH mimes need to be lynched to acquire their win con right?

Yes. Lynching one is harmless. It also helps to remove anti-town votes.

[Roadrunner7671]

Sorry all i did not realize this had started.

Clarification question as i read through - BOTH mimes need to be lynched to acquire their win con right?

Yes. Lynching one is harmless. It also helps to remove anti-town votes.

I'm not sure I agree. I think it might be better if we don't lynch any, because if we lynch one then we really have to worry about the second.

[Swowl]

So if we lynch them both then they win on that. However, if we lynch one and the other dies to an NK they do not win (I think that is correct).

Thing is, if you are a Mime... why would you claim mime? If you want to get lynched an not NKed... just doesn't really make any sense. I mean even if you draw the attention during the day to yourself, then there is the whole night meta.. if you get killed then your team loses on the spot. You will be targeted by Mafia most likely and it will put a weird spin on Town where we have to decide what to do. I feel as if the much better strategy would of been to act as "Mafia-y" as possible if the goal was to be lynched.

If you are Town... why would you claim mime? I can only assume if you are VT then to proc PRs and help to gain information down the road. I suppose it puts mimes in a spot where they cannot really claim, however why would you want to.

If you are Mafia... why would you claim mime? Well, it makes it unlikely that you will be lynched. It also means that the Mimes will know you are lying obv, but since your team would control the NK you don't have to worry about being shot at night.


Further fun note: Considering that the mimes can only protect one of themselves at night, we can absolutely assume that one of the mime claims is a lie (since they cannot target themselves). So if one of them claimed, the other one could just proc them each night or hope they get get lynched I guess. But if both claim then how do they determine who skum would aim at at night? Just from a rational point, all likelihood aside, I just don't see how both mimes could possibly claim and find an upside in it.

I will finish reading tonight and get more to this later.

[silverspawn]

So if we lynch them both then they win on that. However, if we lynch one and the other dies to an NK they do not win (I think that is correct).

Thing is, if you are a Mime... why would you claim mime? If you want to get lynched an not NKed... just doesn't really make any sense. I mean even if you draw the attention during the day to yourself, then there is the whole night meta.. if you get killed then your team loses on the spot. You will be targeted by Mafia most likely and it will put a weird spin on Town where we have to decide what to do. I feel as if the much better strategy would of been to act as "Mafia-y" as possible if the goal was to be lynched.

If you are Town... why would you claim mime? I can only assume if you are VT then to proc PRs and help to gain information down the road. I suppose it puts mimes in a spot where they cannot really claim, however why would you want to.

If you are Mafia... why would you claim mime? Well, it makes it unlikely that you will be lynched. It also means that the Mimes will know you are lying obv, but since your team would control the NK you don't have to worry about being shot at night.


Further fun note: Considering that the mimes can only protect one of themselves at night, we can absolutely assume that one of the mime claims is a lie (since they cannot target themselves). So if one of them claimed, the other one could just proc them each night or hope they get get lynched I guess. But if both claim then how do they determine who skum would aim at at night? Just from a rational point, all likelihood aside, I just don't see how both mimes could possibly claim and find an upside in it.

I will finish reading tonight and get more to this later.

Can't argue with that.

[Joseph2302]

Sorry all i did not realize this had started.

Clarification question as i read through - BOTH mimes need to be lynched to acquire their win con right?

Yes. Lynching one is harmless. It also helps to remove anti-town votes.

I'm not sure I agree. I think it might be better if we don't lynch any, because if we lynch one then we really have to worry about the second.

I agree. If mimes can almost win, then it'll make us cautious about lynching. Think RR is towny for pointing this out

[faust]

Vote Count 1.1

silverspawn (3): Awaclus, silverspawn, Joseph2302
theorel (1): Roadrunner7671
SpaceAnemone (2): IDontPlayThisGame, theorel
Joseph2302 (1): SpaceAnemone
Lekkit (1): schadd

Not Voting (4): Robz888, The_Wine_Merchant, DatSwan, Lekkit

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends Jan 25 at 4 am forum time.

[Joseph2302]

Vote: Space
Wagons.
Also, L-4

[SpaceAnemone]

This didn't go very far while I was away. I'm back now :-)

Joseph sounds a bit too pleased with himself to be scum.

@schadd, why so quiet? I thought D1 was your favourite bit.

Robz isn't very engaged either, but at least he's posting. I think I like theorel. We've not played together before, have we?

[Awaclus]

We should establish whether scum = non-town or scum = mafia.

[Roadrunner7671]

We should establish whether scum = non-town or scum = mafia.

I'd say scum=non town, since mimes will try to act scummy in an effort to get lynched.

[silverspawn]

I would say scum = town

[silverspawn]

you scum

[Roadrunner7671]

I don't like this SS play. He's either mafia or a mime, right?

[IDontPlayThisGame]

We should establish whether scum = non-town or scum = mafia.

I think scum = non-town will lead to more confusion than sticking to scum = mafia.

I don't like this SS play. He's either mafia or a mime, right?

Or town doing something really strange. But I'm inclined to agree with you.

[silverspawn]

I don't like this SS play. He's either mafia or a mime, right?

almost sounds like lynching me would be a good idea!

[silverspawn]

think about it, I'm lynched day 1 all the time anyway, so as a mime I have no reason to claim mime, clearly I must be mafia claiming to be a mime.

[schadd]

think about it, I'm lynched day 1 all the time anyway, so as a mime I have no reason to claim mime, clearly I must be mafia claiming to be a mime.

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[SpaceAnemone]

We should establish whether scum = non-town or scum = mafia.

I was thinking of "scum" as being the mafia faction, at least when I said that I don't think Joseph is scum. He could be a mime, in that he's being about the same as usual, and I usually want to lynch him for not being particularly pro-town, so that would be good play for a mime.

[silverspawn]

think about it, I'm lynched day 1 all the time anyway, so as a mime I have no reason to claim mime, clearly I must be mafia claiming to be a mime.

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[Swowl]

We should establish whether scum = non-town or scum = mafia.

I think scum = non-town will lead to more confusion than sticking to scum = mafia.

I don't like this SS play. He's either mafia or a mime, right?

You don't think it likely for a VT to claim mime?

Or town doing something really strange. But I'm inclined to agree with you.

[Swowl]

Vote Count 1.1

silverspawn (1): Awaclus
theorel (1): Roadrunner7671
SpaceAnemone (2): IDontPlayThisGame, theorel
silverspawn (2): silverspawn, Joseph2302
Joseph2302 (1): SpaceAnemone
Lekkit (1): schadd

Not Voting (4): Robz888, The_Wine_Merchant, DatSwan, Lekkit

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends Jan 25 at 4 am forum time.

SilverSpawn is listed twice (first and then fourth) for "votes on him"

[Swowl]

someone else claimed mime right? I can't find it - who was it?

[IDontPlayThisGame]

We should establish whether scum = non-town or scum = mafia.

I think scum = non-town will lead to more confusion than sticking to scum = mafia.

I don't like this SS play. He's either mafia or a mime, right?

You don't think it likely for a VT to claim mime?

Or town doing something really strange. But I'm inclined to agree with you.

I'm assuming the bit in bold is what you meant to say outside of the quote because I didn't say that. Ignore whether it's likely. How is it pro-town for town!silver to claim mime and try to keep selling it like this? How does it help us find mafia?

[Robz888]

Hey all. Sorry, I've not been helping much. Having a hard time getting into this one. Will try harder this week.

[Swowl]

We should establish whether scum = non-town or scum = mafia.

I think scum = non-town will lead to more confusion than sticking to scum = mafia.

I don't like this SS play. He's either mafia or a mime, right?

You don't think it likely for a VT to claim mime?

Or town doing something really strange. But I'm inclined to agree with you.

I'm assuming the bit in bold is what you meant to say outside of the quote because I didn't say that. Ignore whether it's likely. How is it pro-town for town!silver to claim mime and try to keep selling it like this? How does it help us find mafia?

... how does it not?

[Swowl]

We should establish whether scum = non-town or scum = mafia.

I think scum = non-town will lead to more confusion than sticking to scum = mafia.

I don't like this SS play. He's either mafia or a mime, right?

You don't think it likely for a VT to claim mime?

Or town doing something really strange. But I'm inclined to agree with you.

I'm assuming the bit in bold is what you meant to say outside of the quote because I didn't say that. Ignore whether it's likely. How is it pro-town for town!silver to claim mime and try to keep selling it like this? How does it help us find mafia?

And yes sorry i suck at phone posting

[Swowl]

We should establish whether scum = non-town or scum = mafia.

I think scum = non-town will lead to more confusion than sticking to scum = mafia.

I don't like this SS play. He's either mafia or a mime, right?

You don't think it likely for a VT to claim mime?

Or town doing something really strange. But I'm inclined to agree with you.

I'm assuming the bit in bold is what you meant to say outside of the quote because I didn't say that. Ignore whether it's likely. How is it pro-town for town!silver to claim mime and try to keep selling it like this? How does it help us find mafia?

... how does it not?

And that is not like a Awaclus-esc “how is it not”... like really- you don’t see the positive side from a VT/Town Perspective of this play?

[silverspawn]

SilverSpawn

vote: DatSwan for bastardizing my name

[faust]

SilverSpawn is listed twice (first and then fourth) for "votes on him"

Fixed now.

[Joseph2302]

someone else claimed mime right? I can't find it - who was it?

Me

[theorel]

So, the question is: is claiming mime a survivalist tell?

-Town does not want to lynch mimes, so claiming mimes might look like trying not to get lynched.  This is something scum would do.
-But actual mimes will not claim mime, so claiming mime doesn't actually make you look like a mime, hence it doesn't actually decrease your chance of getting lynched...arguably it increases it (as any controversial action would).
-But then, if it does increase the chance of being lynched then it becomes a claim mime is likely to make...which brings us back to the beginning, hence the WIFOM.

Controversial actions also increase town interaction, pulling people to speak up, and providing opportunity to find scum through their "unnatural" responses, so claiming mime is potentially pro-town (as any sufficiently controversial action is).  So, since silverspawn is town, I will sheep and vote: silverspawn.

[Awaclus]

Vote: theorel

Too much overjustification.

[silverspawn]

theorel speaks the sense.

[Joseph2302]

So, the question is: is claiming mime a survivalist tell?

-Town does not want to lynch mimes, so claiming mimes might look like trying not to get lynched.  This is something scum would do.
-But actual mimes will not claim mime, so claiming mime doesn't actually make you look like a mime, hence it doesn't actually decrease your chance of getting lynched...arguably it increases it (as any controversial action would).
-But then, if it does increase the chance of being lynched then it becomes a claim mime is likely to make...which brings us back to the beginning, hence the WIFOM.

Controversial actions also increase town interaction, pulling people to speak up, and providing opportunity to find scum through their "unnatural" responses, so claiming mime is potentially pro-town (as any sufficiently controversial action is).  So, since silverspawn is town, I will sheep and vote: silverspawn.

You think ss is town and therefore you vote for them?!
That seems scummy.
Vote: theorel

[Robz888]

Also sort of suspicious of theorel for disguising "actually it's WIFOM" as detailed analysis.

[theorel]

Also sort of suspicious of theorel for disguising "actually it's WIFOM" as detailed analysis.

Someone argued that silverspawn is either scum or mime for claiming mime.  I argued that it's not a scum or mime tell, it's just WIFOM.

But then, rather than say "it's WIFOM and tells us nothing", I said the most likely reason for a player to put straight-up WIFOM into the thread in such a way is because that player is town trying to generate reactions.

Thinking on it some more, it's interesting because scum-tells and mime-tells are on polar opposite sides.  (survivalist tells versus anti-survivalist tells (let's call them "death wish"-tells).  A mime might try to fake a survivalist tell, in order to get lynched, which will make it tough to evaluate them...
I wonder if with mimes in the game scum is more likely to fake a death-wish tell?  Or if those are still primarily the purview of town.

[SpaceAnemone]

I think seeing something of a wifomy survival tactic coming from silver isn't that much of a surprise, because he's typically an early target. This puts town off lynching him and may even make scum not want to target him for fear of taking out other anti-town votes too early. I can totally see that sort of behaviour coming from town!silver who wants to participate rather than just line up to be offed.

I like that theorel is participating a lot and making decent sense. By which I mean that I'm parsing their early support of IDP's wagon as a scum-hunting attempt rather than an actual vote for my lynch. Joseph was the only one who followed, and we already know my opinion of Joseph.

We need seven votes to lynch, so theorel is at L-4. That's not a big enough wagon for me to feel entirely happy that Robz's drive-by shade wasn't' followed up by a vote.

[SpaceAnemone]

Oh, and while I'm looking at lynch requirements in the mod vote count, let me state way ahead of time that 4am forum time is not the kind of time at which I'm going to be awake for the hour leading up to the deadline. (It looks like it almost should be, since it's 9am UK time, but I'm a night owl who scrapes into work at 10am, and trying to get by on fewer than 8 hours' sleep risks grumpiness).

[Robz888]

Vote: theorel

[Roadrunner7671]

I'm also okay with a Vote: theorel

[Lekkit]

Vote: silverspawn

[Awaclus]

So, the question is: is claiming mime a survivalist tell?

-Town does not want to lynch mimes, so claiming mimes might look like trying not to get lynched.  This is something scum would do.
-But actual mimes will not claim mime, so claiming mime doesn't actually make you look like a mime, hence it doesn't actually decrease your chance of getting lynched...arguably it increases it (as any controversial action would).
-But then, if it does increase the chance of being lynched then it becomes a claim mime is likely to make...which brings us back to the beginning, hence the WIFOM.

Controversial actions also increase town interaction, pulling people to speak up, and providing opportunity to find scum through their "unnatural" responses, so claiming mime is potentially pro-town (as any sufficiently controversial action is).  So, since silverspawn is town, I will sheep and vote: silverspawn.

You think ss is town and therefore you vote for them?!
That seems scummy.
Vote: theorel

No, he thinks ss is town and therefore he sheeps ss.

[Joseph2302]

So, the question is: is claiming mime a survivalist tell?

-Town does not want to lynch mimes, so claiming mimes might look like trying not to get lynched.  This is something scum would do.
-But actual mimes will not claim mime, so claiming mime doesn't actually make you look like a mime, hence it doesn't actually decrease your chance of getting lynched...arguably it increases it (as any controversial action would).
-But then, if it does increase the chance of being lynched then it becomes a claim mime is likely to make...which brings us back to the beginning, hence the WIFOM.

Controversial actions also increase town interaction, pulling people to speak up, and providing opportunity to find scum through their "unnatural" responses, so claiming mime is potentially pro-town (as any sufficiently controversial action is).  So, since silverspawn is town, I will sheep and vote: silverspawn.

You think ss is town and therefore you vote for them?!
That seems scummy.
Vote: theorel

No, he thinks ss is town and therefore he sheeps ss.

By voting for ss though

[schadd]

idptg i like for town


lekkit and space i like for not town

[SpaceAnemone]

lekkit and space i like for not town

Wrong on at least one count. Does that make you more or less likely to be right on the other one?

[Swowl]

SS - If you are mime and want to get lynched, why did you move your vote off yourself?
Here I will make it easier for you.

Vote:silverspawn

pretty sure you pull ahead in the wagon race if you move back.

[schadd]

lekkit and space i like for not town

Wrong on at least one count. Does that make you more or less likely to be right on the other one?

do you suppose i have enough information to make an accurate call on lekkit?

[silverspawn]

vote: silverspawn

[faust]

Vote Count 1.2

silverspawn (4): theorel, Lekkit, DatSwan, silverspawn
theorel (4): Roadrunner7671, Awaclus, Joseph2302, Robz888
SpaceAnemone (1): IDontPlayThisGame
Joseph2302 (1): SpaceAnemone
Lekkit (1): schadd

Not Voting (1): The_Wine_Merchant

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends Jan 25 at 4 am forum time.

That is in less that 24 hours.

[theorel]

Vote Count 1.2

theorel (4): Roadrunner7671, Awaclus, Joseph2302, Robz888
SpaceAnemone (2): IDontPlayThisGame, theorel
Joseph2302 (1): SpaceAnemone
Lekkit (1): schadd
sivlerspawn (3): Lekkit, DatSwan, silverspawn

Not Voting (1): The_Wine_Merchant

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends Jan 25 at 4 am forum time.

This is definitely wrong, since I voted for silverspawn.  I'll check over the rest.

[theorel]

Vote Count 1.2

This is definitely wrong, since I voted for silverspawn.  I'll check over the rest.

Rest look okay

[faust]

Vote Count 1.2

theorel (4): Roadrunner7671, Awaclus, Joseph2302, Robz888
SpaceAnemone (2): IDontPlayThisGame, theorel
Joseph2302 (1): SpaceAnemone
Lekkit (1): schadd
sivlerspawn (3): Lekkit, DatSwan, silverspawn

Not Voting (1): The_Wine_Merchant

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends Jan 25 at 4 am forum time.

This is definitely wrong, since I voted for silverspawn.  I'll check over the rest.

Fixed.

[theorel]

So, I disappeared yesterday...because I was distracted by things not on this forum.  And...less than a page of discussion, mostly people voting without any real explanation or argumentation.  And we're down to 24 hours to deadline.
So, Post Counts:
(number in parentheses is pre-game count to make it easier to subtract later-as-needed, I have ALREADY subtracted it.)

Robz(2): 6
Awaclus(1): 10
Roadrunner(1): 7
silverspawn(4): 15
theorel(3): 10
SpaceAnemone(2): 9
Joseph(4): 14
The_Wine_Merchant(2): 1
schadd (3): 8
DatSwan (1): 9
Lekkit (1): 2
IDPTG (1): 6

There's something seriously wrong for me to be in the top 4 on a post count.  I'm like the poster child for borderline lurker.  Wine Merchant and Lekkit are severely lurking.  It would be nice to hear from them.  In fact,
Request Prod: The_Wine_Merchant.

So, I don't like either of the 2 leading lynches, since I think they're both town.  But, lack of argumentation leaves me highly uncertain who is actually scum.
Let's see...
Robz - maybe town?  He's not as helpful as he was in M111, which is apparently a scum-tell.
Roadrunner - he re-voted for me, after his RVS vote...makes wagon seem bigger, when it's just the same size.  No explanation, seems scummy.
Awaclus - I think it's weird that he pushed back on Joseph's argument for voting for me, while voting for me himself.  That seems townie.
Joseph - his reaction to my vote seem townie.
For silver's wagon:
Lekkit - voting with no explanation, 2 whole posts in the game...scummy.
Datswan - seems to be using my same actual reasoning to vote for silverspawn...but I think by the time the vote was placed it was too late.  Not sure if this is townie or scummy...would be scummy if I was scum maybe, but I'm town.  I think scum would go about this differently...
silver-townie
theorel-is town.

People not covered by that:
SpaceAnemone: buddying me maybe?
The_Wine_Merchant: not posting is a null-tell, but it's anti-town so stop it.
schadd: Hmm...it would be nice to know more about his town/not-town reads.
IDPTG: I can't shake my town feel from M111...he feels the same here, so I'm going to read that as town.

So, let's see:
Like to Lynch: Lekkit, Roadrunner, hmm...that's about it.
Don't want to lynch: me, silverspawn, Robz.
Willing to lynch: anyone else.

Vote Count is fixed, so let's make it wrong
vote: Roadrunner

[Joseph2302]

So, I disappeared yesterday...because I was distracted by things not on this forum.  And...less than a page of discussion, mostly people voting without any real explanation or argumentation.  And we're down to 24 hours to deadline.
So, Post Counts:
(number in parentheses is pre-game count to make it easier to subtract later-as-needed, I have ALREADY subtracted it.)

Robz(2): 6
Awaclus(1): 10
Roadrunner(1): 7
silverspawn(4): 15
theorel(3): 10
SpaceAnemone(2): 9
Joseph(4): 14
The_Wine_Merchant(2): 1
schadd (3): 8
DatSwan (1): 9
Lekkit (1): 2
IDPTG (1): 6

There's something seriously wrong for me to be in the top 4 on a post count.  I'm like the poster child for borderline lurker.  Wine Merchant and Lekkit are severely lurking.  It would be nice to hear from them.  In fact,
Request Prod: The_Wine_Merchant.

So, I don't like either of the 2 leading lynches, since I think they're both town.  But, lack of argumentation leaves me highly uncertain who is actually scum.
Let's see...
Robz - maybe town?  He's not as helpful as he was in M111, which is apparently a scum-tell.
Roadrunner - he re-voted for me, after his RVS vote...makes wagon seem bigger, when it's just the same size.  No explanation, seems scummy.
Awaclus - I think it's weird that he pushed back on Joseph's argument for voting for me, while voting for me himself.  That seems townie.
Joseph - his reaction to my vote seem townie.
For silver's wagon:
Lekkit - voting with no explanation, 2 whole posts in the game...scummy.
Datswan - seems to be using my same actual reasoning to vote for silverspawn...but I think by the time the vote was placed it was too late.  Not sure if this is townie or scummy...would be scummy if I was scum maybe, but I'm town.  I think scum would go about this differently...
silver-townie
theorel-is town.

People not covered by that:
SpaceAnemone: buddying me maybe?
The_Wine_Merchant: not posting is a null-tell, but it's anti-town so stop it.
schadd: Hmm...it would be nice to know more about his town/not-town reads.
IDPTG: I can't shake my town feel from M111...he feels the same here, so I'm going to read that as town.

So, let's see:
Like to Lynch: Lekkit, Roadrunner, hmm...that's about it.
Don't want to lynch: me, silverspawn, Robz.
Willing to lynch: anyone else.

Vote Count is fixed, so let's make it wrong
vote: Roadrunner

Woop, I'm #2 on most active users.
But there's been serious lack of activity

[faust]

Public reminder that the deadline is in less than 24 hours.

Prods have been sent to Robz, Awaclus, RR, TWM, Lekkit, Idplay.

[Awaclus]

But I am playing this game actively.

[Joseph2302]

I shall attempt to be around close to deadline, but no guarantees. It's at 9am here, and I am usually travelling to work around 8:30-9am

[Robz888]

Sorry, all. I'm available, I'm just struggling to contribute meaningfully.

Well, it seems like a bad idea to lynch one of our more active townies, so I'm switching to Vote: The_Wine_Merchant

Eliminating a lurker sounds good.

[silverspawn]

unvote ok fine, I'm town. I just couldn't resist trying this. I'll be serious from now on.

The key thing about my wagon is I think this: team mime knew that I was lying since they are the mimes. As a mime, I think I'd conclude that a claimed mime is a mafia, and I might vote for them. This isn't as relevant as I had hoped though, since the wagon never really picked up... I thought it would. I guess I have too much of a reputation of trying things.

One day to deadline sucks, you'd think a mime claim would force more discussion but nope

I'm up for lynching theorel for his voting and caution. Or we could always lynch Awaclus, that's never a bad thing.

vote: theorel

[silverspawn]

Also I now appear twice in the vote count. Again.

[Roadrunner7671]

Ha I didn't realize I was already voting for theorel, but I'm happy to take the scum points for it 

[schadd]

egh robz can be town too

[Robz888]

Has any one done analysis on whether No Lynch is bad here?

[schadd]

analysis
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done!
no lynch is bad

[SpaceAnemone]

SpaceAnemone: buddying me maybe?

Haha. Not my motive there. I liked your thinking in the posts, and I thought your tactic of voting for me at #83 was subtle scum-hunting. You said you were voting because you liked IDP's earlier argument, and that argument was purely based on an earlier game before I'd even posted in this one (it's at #53). So either you were making a really very lazy lie, or you were trying something on to see who'd bite. I assumed the latter, which was why I waited to see who'd hop on rather than protesting the unreasonableness of it.

Sadly, Joseph was the only one to hop on and join you, and he's a bit random and doesn't really think these things through anyway, so I don't think it's as big a scum-tell for him as it might be for others.

[IDontPlayThisGame]

Has any one done analysis on whether No Lynch is bad here?

If we want to no-lynch, we have to vote for it. I don't think it's good here but I think it could be good if we've lynched a mime.

5. If the deadline is hit without a player reaching the majority of votes, the player with the most votes will be lynched. If two or more players are tied, whoever had more votes at the end of the previous Day is lynched. If still tied, the lynchee is determined randomly among the tied players.

Also, I won't be around at the deadline but I should be around a couple hours beforehand. Sorry for another completely dead D1 from me. I still don't think silver is town.

[silverspawn]

I figured it out! no-lynching is not good. Thanks, thanks, you're welcome.

[Swowl]

I do not like the idea of not lynching. Given both skum teams have DC we need to take advantage of gaining information everywhere possible. The way I look at is silverspawn is either Mafia or VT and I am on the fence for both. Leaving my vote there for now, but I will be around throughout the rest of the day.

Also, side note... not really to be used now today, but to be remembered later, since there is the whole DC thing on both skum teams... I like the chances of finding skum in the lurkers decently well.

[Joseph2302]

I figured it out! no-lynching is not good. Thanks, thanks, you're welcome.

Is it ever good?

[schadd]

I figured it out! no-lynching is not good. Thanks, thanks, you're welcome.

you're welcome

[Awaclus]

I figured it out! no-lynching is not good. Thanks, thanks, you're welcome.

Is it ever good?

Yes.

[Joseph2302]

I figured it out! no-lynching is not good. Thanks, thanks, you're welcome.

Is it ever good?

Yes.

Very rarely, and never on D1

[SpaceAnemone]

lekkit and space i like for not town

Wrong on at least one count. Does that make you more or less likely to be right on the other one?

do you suppose i have enough information to make an accurate call on lekkit?

Yes, because you are some sort of magical being who likes forming reads out of the information vacuum that is a typical D1. Though you're underperforming here!

[silverspawn]

In RMMs it can be good if town is strong enough, the problem is just that we usually don't know. But in this setup, absolutely not.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

Ugh. I am a bad person. Sorry.

I was hoping I would have avoided the prod, but just missed it. I'll catch up now and vote.

[Robz888]

Vote: Silverspawn because we need a lynch I guess? I'll be here for the next three hours, on a train with little else to do.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

Hi everyone, I'm a mime. I'm telling you so you'll lynch me out of WIFOM.

This is true. I know because I'm the other mime

Vote for vote: joseph I dislike his mime claim more than silver's because joseph already opened with the dumb SK claim. Feel like he realized this would be a weird way to get early attention and see it dissipate after silver did his. Whereas silver's just looks like early game antics.

Highly doubt either of them are actually mimes.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

Well. Two days in and I am already behind. All the sorriez. I'll catch up over the weekend.

Obv!scum post here

Phoowey!

[The_Wine_Merchant]

Vote: Space
Wagons.
Also, L-4

Still ok here. I like voting for wagons. I dislike stating the reason is voting for wagons.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

I don't like this SS play. He's either mafia or a mime, right?

So quick meta question based off this post, mostly relating to Joseph and silver at this point, what advantage does either mafia or mime have to look really suspicious? I know that lynching is how mimes win. OK. But there is a chance that this setup has a vig right? I guess mafia and mime might know that there isn't based on what their roles were. But there are a few options where mafia or mimes might not know and think there could be?

Looking at it doesn't look like it is as conclusive as I thought. Until we figure out what mafia and mimes might have known about the setup going into the start of game.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

Vote: theorel

Too much overjustification.

Oh dear. I am agreeing with Awaclus.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

Don't like the contents of this post or its conclusion to vote RR, who has been a pretty good voice of towniness thus far.

temporary vote: theorel But slightly dependent on the answer to the question below:

Theorel, are you familiar with RR and his meta? I feel like I don't know much about you.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

And a vote count so I can remember where everyone is at:

theorel (5): Roadrunner7671, Awaclus, Joseph2302, silver, TWM
SpaceAnemone (1): IDontPlayThisGame
Joseph2302 (1): SpaceAnemone
Lekkit (1): schadd
sivlerspawn (3): Lekkit, DatSwan, Robz
RR 1 - theorel

Looks like my theorel vote was L-2, by the way.

[Robz888]

Vote: theorel

Something was off about him.

[SpaceAnemone]

Bed time now. Will try to be awake just before the deadline. I'm not super-keen on the theorel wagon just because the stuff they've been posting seems okay to me, but I haven't played with them before (have I?), so I have no typical behaviour with which to compare it. As a verbose and detail-oriented person, I feel like over-explanation isn't necessarily something that's scummy.

I'd be willing to fo to Robz, I think -- his wagon-hopping doesn't feel like it's got much genuine opinion behind it. Lots of people don't seem to be saying a lot, though. Let's go with vote: Lekkit while I sleep.

[Robz888]

Vote: lekkit is fine, there just aren't enough votes there. But let's see. Come on people! Wagon it up.

[IDontPlayThisGame]

Bed time now. Will try to be awake just before the deadline. I'm not super-keen on the theorel wagon just because the stuff they've been posting seems okay to me, but I haven't played with them before (have I?), so I have no typical behaviour with which to compare it. As a verbose and detail-oriented person, I feel like over-explanation isn't necessarily something that's scummy.

I'd be willing to fo to Robz, I think -- his wagon-hopping doesn't feel like it's got much genuine opinion behind it. Lots of people don't seem to be saying a lot, though. Let's go with vote: Lekkit while I sleep.

Why Lekkit when you just said you could go for Robz?

PPE: Okay Robz, you too. Why Lekkit?

[Robz888]

Because we have to lynch someone and he's a huge lurker. Why not Lekkit?

[Roadrunner7671]

I feel like lurking would just be a super duper easy way to win as a mime.

[Swowl]

silverspawn should be looked at again.
Iknow I sound like a broken record but just saying... he is not a mime right. I mean I think we can kind of agree on that.
So if mime is off the table... mafia or town... if town, then VT for sure, why risk it with a PR. So we mislynch a VT or find mafia.

can I keep on this? is anyone thinking they can get on board this with me?

[The_Wine_Merchant]

Bed time now. Will try to be awake just before the deadline. I'm not super-keen on the theorel wagon just because the stuff they've been posting seems okay to me, but I haven't played with them before (have I?), so I have no typical behaviour with which to compare it. As a verbose and detail-oriented person, I feel like over-explanation isn't necessarily something that's scummy.

I'd be willing to fo to Robz, I think -- his wagon-hopping doesn't feel like it's got much genuine opinion behind it. Lots of people don't seem to be saying a lot, though. Let's go with vote: Lekkit while I sleep.

I really don't like this post.

[IDontPlayThisGame]

Because we have to lynch someone and he's a huge lurker. Why not Lekkit?

Because he's a huge lurker and his lynch tells us nothing. Also, RR has a good point.

Bed time now. Will try to be awake just before the deadline. I'm not super-keen on the theorel wagon just because the stuff they've been posting seems okay to me, but I haven't played with them before (have I?), so I have no typical behaviour with which to compare it. As a verbose and detail-oriented person, I feel like over-explanation isn't necessarily something that's scummy.

I'd be willing to fo to Robz, I think -- his wagon-hopping doesn't feel like it's got much genuine opinion behind it. Lots of people don't seem to be saying a lot, though. Let's go with vote: Lekkit while I sleep.

I really don't like this post.

Same.

[theorel]

Because we have to lynch someone and he's a huge lurker. Why not Lekkit?

Because he's a huge lurker and his lynch tells us nothing. Also, RR has a good point.
[/quote]
I disagree with this.  Lynching him gets us less interaction-based information, but realistically I find the interaction-based information to be minimally useful generally. In this game in particular there has been very little interaction...even among active players.  I mean seriously end of day1, and some people are barely breaking double-digit post counts...we have a hand full of people that have even stated reads beyond 1 or maybe 2 others.

I haven't played mafia since probably like mafia 30-something (except subbing into 111).  Outside of 111 I think Robz and Lekkit are the only people I've played with? Including 111 I've played with Datswan, IDPTG, and kind of Joseph (he was mislynched before I joined).

Anyways, that's it for me.

I need to look over the wagon on me...because I think my actions were clearly pro-town, and so I think some scum is in there.

[theorel]

Don't like the contents of this post or its conclusion to vote RR, who has been a pretty good voice of towniness thus far.

temporary vote: theorel But slightly dependent on the answer to the question below:

Theorel, are you familiar with RR and his meta? I feel like I don't know much about you.

Okay, I can see if I don't know RR's meta that my vote might be off-place.  But "a pretty good voice of towniness"?  Are you following the same game as me?
He pointed out the "dangers of L-1 because mimes"...and how we really shouldn't lynch either mime if we can avoid it.
That's like the sum total of his contributions to this game.  No scum-hunting to speak of, no reads, a weak vote on someone who had already pulled a wagon.  I mean okay, if that's his thing, that's his thing...but yeah...this really seems like a false town-read from The_Wine_Merchant, on someone who is probably normally mislynched (if I had to guess based on the familiarity with meta question).

[Robz888]

So... we going to lynch somebody?

[The_Wine_Merchant]

Don't like the contents of this post or its conclusion to vote RR, who has been a pretty good voice of towniness thus far.

temporary vote: theorel But slightly dependent on the answer to the question below:

Theorel, are you familiar with RR and his meta? I feel like I don't know much about you.

Okay, I can see if I don't know RR's meta that my vote might be off-place.  But "a pretty good voice of towniness"?  Are you following the same game as me?
He pointed out the "dangers of L-1 because mimes"...and how we really shouldn't lynch either mime if we can avoid it.
That's like the sum total of his contributions to this game.  No scum-hunting to speak of, no reads, a weak vote on someone who had already pulled a wagon.  I mean okay, if that's his thing, that's his thing...but yeah...this really seems like a false town-read from The_Wine_Merchant, on someone who is probably normally mislynched (if I had to guess based on the familiarity with meta question).

I guess mostly, RR is, or at least historically was an easy mislynch, and an easy target for scum to try and get mislynched, especially for newer players. I am wondering how much you know of that and it seems like not much. But you fall into a gray area of not knowing him, but also not being new.

I think I am following the same game as you. I have a unique perspective in that I haven't been following, but just barely read all the posts at once in sequence for the first time and I saw a couple of posts that RR had that sounded reasonable. At this point that is very much "a pretty good voice of towniness" especially for RR.

[IDontPlayThisGame]

So... we going to lynch somebody?

99.999% sure this doesn't go to a no-lynch.

[Robz888]

Okay, well I don't know what time it is for you but for me it's almost bedtime and I'd like to know where I should leave my vote.

[Roadrunner7671]

Day ends soon?

[IDontPlayThisGame]

Okay, well I don't know what time it is for you but for me it's almost bedtime and I'd like to know where I should leave my vote.

Oh, I'm almost leaving too. We just don't need to get 7 votes on someone to get a lynch through.

[IDontPlayThisGame]

Day ends soon?

A bit less than 5 hours.

[Roadrunner7671]

Day ends soon?

A bit less than 5 hours.

Man that's like 4 AM

[theorel]

Okay people voting for me in the last little while (Robz didn't feel comfortable leaving me at L-1, I guess)
Robz: His wagon-hopping is severe.  I think he's been on and off of me twice already.  But he reads to me as confused town rather than scum.  Also, scum seldom push lurker lynches, they'd rather kill active town if possible.  Also also, I've definitely tried to be more provocative this game, and I can see how Robz might read that as being "off" (long posts with excessive reasoning, though? that's on-meta for me).

The_Wine_Merchant: confused defense of RoadRunner, with a vote that says it could come off if I don't know rr's meta.  This reads scummy to me...he's been severely inactive, and let's face it this game is not hard to keep up with.  But if he had daychat with someone talkative...I could see him being scum easily.

Roadrunner: I still think his vote on me was scummy, really more for timing than anything else, although the lack of argument is not doing him favors.  He's also the one who suggested silver's mime-gambit must be mime-or-scum, which I completely disagree with.

silverspawn: I still think the mime-gambit was townie...I'm surprised that he's voting for me for caution, I've definitely been less cautious this game than normal.  I mean, in what world was voting for silver because of an expressed town-read "cautious"?

Awaclus: I don't even know how I know that Awaclus is inscrutable, but yeah...I'm gonna cautiously say town-read here.

Joseph: His reaction is exactly the reaction I would expect from town for my terrible silver-vote.  Which probably means that vote was bad play, but yeah towniest player on my wagon.

Bonus Reads:
Datswan reads a bit scummy for harping on silver.  Biased of course by my town-read on silver.
Lekkit is super-lurker extraordinaire.  I'm going to vote: Lekkit since that seems like my best hope of surviving.

But at least if I die you now have my reads to ignore for the rest of the game

[Robz888]

Okay, well I don't know what time it is for you but for me it's almost bedtime and I'd like to know where I should leave my vote.

Oh, I'm almost leaving too. We just don't need to get 7 votes on someone to get a lynch through.

LOL I'm an idiot.

[theorel]

Well, anyways, maybe somebody will switch their vote and I'll live...more likely I'm dead.  If I do die, I will put on record that I'm amused that I managed to get mislynched in a game with at least 3 historically easy day-1 mislynches (silver, joseph, and rr if I understand correctly), and 2 mimes that actively want to be lynched.
I think this may even be my first day-1 lynch ever?

I'm out though, see you guys tomorrow if I'm alive.

[Robz888]

The good news is I definitely don't think theorel is a mime. He could be mafia, or town, in my opinion.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

Okay, well I don't know what time it is for you but for me it's almost bedtime and I'd like to know where I should leave my vote.

Oh, I'm almost leaving too. We just don't need to get 7 votes on someone to get a lynch through.

LOL I'm an idiot.

Me too since I don't know what you are talking about.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

Oh. Duh.

[schadd]

space seems more scummy to me than lek at present but i've heard lek is harder to read and space i feel i can sort with time

[Swowl]

Vote count anyone?
Plz

[faust]

Vote Count 1.3

silverspawn (2): Lekkit, DatSwan
theorel (5): Roadrunner7671, Awaclus, Joseph2302, silverspawn, The_Wine_Merchant
SpaceAnemone (1): IDontPlayThisGame
Lekkit (4): schadd, SpaceAnemone, Robz888, theorel

Not Voting (0)

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends Jan 25 at 4 am forum time.

That is in 3 hours.

[Swowl]

Is any one alive?

[Joseph2302]

Is any one alive?

I will be on/off around til 20-30 minutes before deadline

[Joseph2302]

Theorel has at least been active this game.
So I think I prefer Vote: Lekkit

This is L-2 (and also means Lekkit has most votes now)

[Lekkit]

Is anyone else here?

Will anything I say or do make an impact today?

I still think silverspawn is our best lynch today. I would very much prefer theorel over me. Will do a quick reread so we have something to look back on tomorrow.

[Lekkit]

Vote: theorel

[Joseph2302]

That's 5 on Lekkit and theorel now

[SpaceAnemone]

I'm around now.

[Swowl]

Fuck.. i don’t like the other lynch so

vote: lekkit

[Swowl]

Space who are you voting

[Swowl]

Nvm read back - why lekkit?

[silverspawn]

I'm here

[Lekkit]

Vote: Lekkit

[silverspawn]

Lekkit is a generic lurker lynch, yes? I think theorel is better than a generic lurker lynch. He's also not going to be a mime.

[faust]

Day 1 Final Vote Count

theorel (4): Roadrunner7671, Awaclus, silverspawn, The_Wine_Merchant
SpaceAnemone (1): IDontPlayThisGame
Lekkit (7): schadd, SpaceAnemone, Robz888, theorel, Joseph2302, DatSwan, Lekkit

Not Voting (0)

With 12 alive, it took 7 to lynch.

[SpaceAnemone]

I'd actually started typing that Swan and Lekkit were pretty much non-entities, but then read back and saw more Swan posts than I'd remembered. I was hoping there'd maybe be a Robz swing overnight..

PPE lynch. Still think it's better than theorel just now.

[silverspawn]

I'd actually started typing that Swan and Lekkit were pretty much non-entities, but then read back and saw more Swan posts than I'd remembered. I was hoping there'd maybe be a Robz swing overnight..

PPE lynch. Still think it's better than theorel just now.

He's obviously a mime since he self-hammered. There's nothing good about this.

[faust]

Suddenly, everyone went very quiet. They seemed to be expecting something. "I wonder what the emergency is all about? Maybe Taylor has uncovered a crime ring that operates out of Luke's diner, selling drugs and instigating the youth!" Lorelai whispered to Rory.

"Coffee sure, but I don't feel particularly instigated so far." Rory replied.

"That the subtle thing about it! Luke..."

At that moment, Taylor audibly cleared his throat.

"My dear fellow citizens of Star's Hollow", he began, "our town is in a time of crisis. As you all know, our annual Harvest Festival is soon upon us. To make it work, every business of Stars Hollow is expected to contribute. Every business." Taylor cast a glance at Lorelai, who rolled her eyes.

At that moment, Kirk stood up. "Excuse me Taylor, I have an important announcement to make."

"Not now, Kirk!"

Kirk ignored the interruption. "I bring great news to our community! Today, I have founded Stars Hollow's first very own social network!" He exclaimed triumphantly. "You can all sign up by sending me your account data. Each morning I will personally deliver each person their personal printed-out newsfeed to their home, and they can send it back tome with comments and emojis, and the following day everyone will see it in that day's feed. We..."

"Kirk!!" Taylor yelled. "This is an emergency town meeting, not your personal advertisement session."

"You talk that way now Taylor, but just wait until everyone is on Headbook. There will be a tide that sweeps the old tyrannies aside. It will be a Hollow Spring!"

With these words, he left the room in protest.

Lekkit has been lynched! They were Kirk Gleason, the Mime Goon!

Night 1 begins now and lasts until Jan 26 at 4 pm forum time. Night actions are due 1 hour before deadline.

THREAD LOCKED!

[faust]

Please remember your night actions. You have 6 more hours to submit them.

[faust]

"Well, with this distraction out of the way, let's get to the business at hand, shall we?"

Day 2 begins!

Vote Count 2.0

Not Voting (12): Robz888, Awaclus, Roadrunner7671, silverspawn, theorel, SpaceAnemone, Joseph2302, The_Wine_Merchant, schadd, DatSwan, IDontPlayThisGame

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day 2 ends Feb 2 at 4:30 pm forum time.

[Joseph2302]

So, lynching a mime was bad

[Joseph2302]

I blame myself, Vote: Joseph2302

[SpaceAnemone]

Hey, on the plus side, no death! Sorry to have been so incredibly dopey about not even noticing what Lekkit's self-hammer meant. I am really not someone who mornings well.

I did have a strongly townie feeling on theorel, though, in spite of that wagon.

[IDontPlayThisGame]

If the day ends and No Lynch has more votes than any player but fewer than 7 (and at least one player has a vote), is there a no lynch or is a player lynched?

[IDontPlayThisGame]

Or does rule 2.8 indicate that only 6 No Lynch votes are needed? If so, please regard the 7 as a 6 in my previous post.

[schadd]

well i was right that he wasn't town!

[SpaceAnemone]

Lekkit didn't exactly say much over the course of D1, but what do the rest of you think retrospectively about the motivation behind the vote for silver at #130? Just trying to look scummy, or trying to build up another wagon on a possible mime-buddy?

[Robz888]

Well that was a disaster!

[Roadrunner7671]

No kill is nice, mime wagon isn't nice. We gotta assume the other mime was on wagon, right?

[theorel]

No kill is nice, mime wagon isn't nice. We gotta assume the other mime was on wagon, right?

I don't know that we have to assume that, the Lekkit wagon built awfully quickly.  But I think it's likely.

[Roadrunner7671]

No kill is nice, mime wagon isn't nice. We gotta assume the other mime was on wagon, right?

I don't know that we have to assume that, the Lekkit wagon built awfully quickly.  But I think it's likely.

I still think you were a better wagon <3

[theorel]

No kill is nice, mime wagon isn't nice. We gotta assume the other mime was on wagon, right?

I don't know that we have to assume that, the Lekkit wagon built awfully quickly.  But I think it's likely.

I still think you were a better wagon <3

Of course, scum would have preferred my death to Lekkit's .

Nonetheless, I think that I'm going with vote: The_Wine_Merchant.  I think he's unlikely to be a mime, I think that the wagon switch from me to Lekkit last-minute was mostly a town-motivated affair (with a mime vote thrown in).  And of course, all the reasons that I thought he was scum yesterday still apply.

[silverspawn]

I nominate Robz as the second mime.

Of course, scum would have preferred my death to Lekkit's

Why?

[Awaclus]

I nominate Robz as the second mime.

Of course, scum would have preferred my death to Lekkit's

Why?

Mafia doesn't want to lynch mimes.

[SpaceAnemone]

I nominate Robz as the second mime.

How useful is it for everyone to coordinate on giving opinions on who's most likely to be the remaining mime? It's clearly in scum's interests to NK the remaining mime, since they can't prevent the rest of us from handing the mimes an accidental win through lynching, since even if they've worked out strong suspicions between themselves, they can't actively coordinate with the rest of us.

Would everyone "mime-voting" (e.g. posting something "Mime: robz" in bold) on which player they most want not to lynch help us aggregate information/reads across anti-mime factions? Yes, mafia has in incentive to promote themselves/their partners as "likely mime" too, but if a very-likely-mime candidate survives a couple of NKs, we can start getting really suspicious. And we also have a decent chance of a town vig existing to help matters if we're afraid to lynch.

[Roadrunner7671]

I'm not sure that's a great use of our time, if a wagon starts and you think the person might be a mime just say that. There's no need for us all to mime vote for people, considering whether or not someone is a mime is just another step you have to go through when voting.

[schadd]

I nominate Robz as the second mime.

Of course, scum would have preferred my death to Lekkit's

Why?

Mafia doesn't want to lynch mimes.

are you suggesting silverspawn isn't mafia?

[Awaclus]

I nominate Robz as the second mime.

Of course, scum would have preferred my death to Lekkit's

Why?

Mafia doesn't want to lynch mimes.

are you suggesting silverspawn isn't mafia?

Are you not suggesting silverspawn isn't mafia?

[Swowl]

I nominate Robz as the second mime.

Of course, scum would have preferred my death to Lekkit's

Why?

Mafia doesn't want to lynch mimes.

are you suggesting silverspawn isn't mafia?

Are you not suggesting silverspawn isn't mafia?

Are you not... not suggesting silverspawn isn’t mafia?

[Swowl]

What about a PR claim? Could help to isolate

[IDontPlayThisGame]

What about a PR claim? Could help to isolate

Why?

[Joseph2302]

What about a PR claim? Could help to isolate

But we already have a good idea what PRs we have, I believe?
We had a mime goon, and so that limits us to either row 2 or column 3 on the setup.

[IDontPlayThisGame]

What about a PR claim? Could help to isolate

But we already have a good idea what PRs we have, I believe?
We had a mime goon, and so that limits us to either row 2 or column 3 on the setup.

Or we didn't lynch the PR Mime.

[Robz888]

Looks to me like Joseph's vote for Lekkit was the one that put his wagon ahead of theorel's. Could be mime.

[schadd]

ROADRUNNER!

how are you feeling! do you feel as though you have accomplished anything significant!

[Awaclus]

What about a PR claim? Could help to isolate

But we already have a good idea what PRs we have, I believe?
We had a mime goon, and so that limits us to either row 2 or column 3 on the setup.

Mime slip.

[Joseph2302]

What about a PR claim? Could help to isolate

But we already have a good idea what PRs we have, I believe?
We had a mime goon, and so that limits us to either row 2 or column 3 on the setup.

Mime slip.

Or I misread the setup as I was posting whilst drunk at 3am

[Joseph2302]

Bur if you're going to assume I'm a mime and therefore not mislynch me, that works for now. So long as we don't lynch the actual mime

[silverspawn]

I nominate Robz as the second mime.

Of course, scum would have preferred my death to Lekkit's

Why?

The point of the question was that a town doesn't know whether mafia preferred not to lynch Lekkit. Mafia presumably didn't know whether Lekkit was a Mime.

[Robz888]

I do think Joseph is a good candidate to be a mime.

[Roadrunner7671]

This has been said before, but Joseph is always a good candidate to be a mime. We don't need to lynch him, I don't think he's likely mafia so we're good in my eyes.

[Roadrunner7671]

ROADRUNNER!

how are you feeling! do you feel as though you have accomplished anything significant!

No! I tried to lynch the guy I've never played with and then a bunch of people switched at like 3 in the morning, so we lynched a mime. Sad news.

[Awaclus]

Mafia presumably didn't know whether Lekkit was a Mime.

But Lekkit flipped and now mafia knows he was a mime.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

vote: space

[silverspawn]

why space?

[Awaclus]

why space?

Why not?

[SpaceAnemone]

What about a PR claim? Could help to isolate

But we already have a good idea what PRs we have, I believe?
We had a mime goon, and so that limits us to either row 2 or column 3 on the setup.

Mime slip.

I think it's kind of the opposite, especially since I momentarily thought the same thing till I remembered that the grid only accounts for one of the two mimes, and that the fact we've seen a mime goon doesn't necessarily mean anything. I also think it's probably not cunning or subtle enough to be a crafted deliberate "slip", especially given the super-late-night timing (in the UK).

[SpaceAnemone]

I'm not sure that's a great use of our time, if a wagon starts and you think the person might be a mime just say that. There's no need for us all to mime vote for people, considering whether or not someone is a mime is just another step you have to go through when voting.

... and yet the only conversation you and Robz seem to be engaging in below this post is a discussion of whether or not you think he's a mime.

I would have liked more people than only RR to have weighed in with opinions on the mime-vote idea, TBH, even if you all think it's terrible..

[Robz888]

I think the mime vote idea is terrible.

[SpaceAnemone]

I think the mime vote idea is terrible.

Cool, thanks for responding! Why is it terrible? Am I missing something in terms of the mechanics, or do you just think that it's not leading to the types of discussions you want?

Also, what types of discussions do you want us to be having? You're kind of quiet..

[Robz888]

I think the mime vote idea is terrible.

Cool, thanks for responding! Why is it terrible? Am I missing something in terms of the mechanics, or do you just think that it's not leading to the types of discussions you want?

Also, what types of discussions do you want us to be having? You're kind of quiet..

I just don't think it's useful to structure things any more formally than, "Hey I think Joseph is a mime, let's not vote for him."

[Robz888]

Well, we should be having "who's mafia?" discussions, and I for me that's Vote: Theorel.

I should have listened to my gut, which was "there's something off about theorel" yesterday.

[SpaceAnemone]

Also on the subject of reading the setup thoroughly, has everyone noticed that the mimes have a factional JK to use every night? I assume that means the remaining mime can use that on top of whatever other abilities they may or may not possess.

[Robz888]

Also on the subject of reading the setup thoroughly, has everyone noticed that the mimes have a factional JK to use every night? I assume that means the remaining mime can use that on top of whatever other abilities they may or may not possess.

Right, but the mime can't Jk himself, obviously.

[SpaceAnemone]

I just don't think it's useful to structure things any more formally than, "Hey I think Joseph is a mime, let's not vote for him."

I think it's useful because it lets us pool information more effectively given that both mafia and town want to avoid the mime, and mafia may have observations from their night-time musings that are tricky to fold into a discussion without giving themselves away.

It's also far better than a "vote for people we think are scum" scenario (for a short period of time, while the deadline isn't looming) because careless wagoning could lead to a mime lynch, and at least if we're trying to find the mime, all but one of us are actually on the same side of the task.

[SpaceAnemone]

Also on the subject of reading the setup thoroughly, has everyone noticed that the mimes have a factional JK to use every night? I assume that means the remaining mime can use that on top of whatever other abilities they may or may not possess.

Right, but the mime can't Jk himself, obviously.

I'm assuming that.. but for people like me who want to be able to use the information to try to infer the setup, it makes a big difference that we have a guaranteed JK in the game, because I think it's more likely than not that the reason for the missing NK is that the mime JKd either scum or target. I'd initially thought we could at least rule out the top row in the table, since it has no protecting roles, but even that's still a possibility.

For town PRs who might block or protect against a kill, it might also be pretty important for them to have a more accurate guess as to how likely their own action is to have caused the lack of NK. The full set of alternative possibilities as I see them are:
1) town's babysitter targeted the mafia NK target.
2) town's JK targeted either the killing mafia player or the mafia target.
3) town's weak doctor targeted the mafia NK target (and that target wasn't a vig or miller-mime).
4) the mafia target was town's 1-shot deathproof.
5) the mafia target was the remaining mime, and they were 1-shot bullet-proof.
6) scum forgot to submit a night action.

[SpaceAnemone]

Well, we should be having "who's mafia?" discussions, and I for me that's Vote: Theorel.

I should have listened to my gut, which was "there's something off about theorel" yesterday.

Why theorel now? You never justified it the first time, but seemed to be just jumping a rolling wagon. Though you did justify coming off theorel onto TWM, and then to silver, back to theorel (again, with simply a comment about "gut"), then to lekkit... I'd like to know where your gut is getting its info from :-)

[SpaceAnemone]

Though while we're on guts, what's everyone's take on Swan right now?

[Swowl]

I think he’s Town
I also still think Therol is town
And i also still think silverspawn is mafia.

[schadd]

Though while we're on guts, what's everyone's take on Swan right now?

are you suggesting datswan is an INTESTINE

vote: datswan

[IDontPlayThisGame]

Sorry, I've been a bit busy. I'll have something later tonight.

[Swowl]

Hi SCHADD.

Meant to do this before but

vote: silverspawn

Also a pr claim might be beneficial. At this point “we” actually equals Town+Mafia because if either team fucks up and we lynch the mime we all lose the same.

Because of this i don’t think mafia is going to risk fake claiming out of control. I see four roles we could have claim /no claim that are Town so no reason to lie not being and i don’t know how skum would have enough info now to justify fakeclaiming.

Whatever not pushing it super hard i guess, but the sad fact is gat for he rest of the game a Town lynch is superior to a mime lynch. Mafia has DC and will be able to maneuver well but the mime doesn’t. Priority now actually is not to find skum. It is to not lynch the mime. Best way to do that is a claim of sorts.

[IDontPlayThisGame]

Claiming's just going to get our PRs killed.

[IDontPlayThisGame]

Also on the subject of reading the setup thoroughly, has everyone noticed that the mimes have a factional JK to use every night? I assume that means the remaining mime can use that on top of whatever other abilities they may or may not possess.

It explicitly states that this is the case.

[silverspawn]

the fact we've seen a mime goon doesn't necessarily mean anything

P(A|B) = P(B|A)*P(A)/P(B) says hi!

[silverspawn]

I think the mime idea is fine and would be on board if everyone else was, too

[silverspawn]

vote: silverspawn

It'll be more effective if you explain why.

[Awaclus]

vote: silverspawn

It'll be more effective if you explain why.

No, it'll be more effective if you explain why not.

[theorel]

I nominate Robz as the second mime.

Of course, scum would have preferred my death to Lekkit's

Why?

The point of the question was that a town doesn't know whether mafia preferred not to lynch Lekkit. Mafia presumably didn't know whether Lekkit was a Mime.

Mafia would have preferred to lynch town over mime.  It doesn't matter that they didn't know at the time, I was responding to Roadrunner's comment today where he said he would have preferred my lynch.  The implication is that Roadrunner (as mafia) looking at the results of yesterday is wishing that town (me) had been lynched.  Of course, that's a veiled accusation, based on my scum-read of him yesterday, hence the winky-smiley.

I don't love the mime-votes personally...although I'm not sure I can articulate why.

Claiming PRs is a terrible idea...
ooh...let's let scum know who the babysitter is so they get a double-kill.
Let's tell them about the doctor so that we lose our protection!
let's tell them about the jailkeeper so they can kill it!
No, no, no no no no NO NO no!
Claiming at L-1, sure...claiming because you know who scum is, sure.  Claiming for no reason = terrible!

Datswan seems a bit scummy today, as well.  Something in the way things are phrased sounds like Datswan is scum trying to get town to help mime-hunt.  Not sure I can pin that down.
TWM is still scummy too, even with his random vote for space being his only post so far today.  Man, it's almost like he has somewhere else where he's posting stuff.

[silverspawn]

Man, it's almost like he has somewhere else where he's posting stuff.

[silverspawn]

Oh, scum has daychat! Who knew...

Both scums have daychat. That means the mimes could actually coordinate whether to vote for each other.

I need to reread the EoD 1 and see whether that indicates anyone.

[Joseph2302]

Oh, scum has daychat! Who knew...

Townslip or fake town slip?

[Swowl]

Oh, scum has daychat! Who knew...

Both scums have daychat. That means the mimes could actually coordinate whether to vote for each other.

I need to reread the EoD 1 and see whether that indicates anyone.

I assume this was meant to be in past tense. You are aware there is only one mime left yes?

[silverspawn]

It was meant to be in past tense.

Oh, scum has daychat! Who knew...

Townslip or fake town slip?

Townslip!

[Swowl]

I nominate Robz as the second mime.

Of course, scum would have preferred my death to Lekkit's

Why?

The point of the question was that a town doesn't know whether mafia preferred not to lynch Lekkit. Mafia presumably didn't know whether Lekkit was a Mime.

Mafia would have preferred to lynch town over mime.  It doesn't matter that they didn't know at the time, I was responding to Roadrunner's comment today where he said he would have preferred my lynch.  The implication is that Roadrunner (as mafia) looking at the results of yesterday is wishing that town (me) had been lynched.  Of course, that's a veiled accusation, based on my scum-read of him yesterday, hence the winky-smiley.

I don't love the mime-votes personally...although I'm not sure I can articulate why.

Claiming PRs is a terrible idea...
ooh...let's let scum know who the babysitter is so they get a double-kill.
Let's tell them about the doctor so that we lose our protection!
let's tell them about the jailkeeper so they can kill it!
No, no, no no no no NO NO no!
Claiming at L-1, sure...claiming because you know who scum is, sure.  Claiming for no reason = terrible!

Datswan seems a bit scummy today, as well.  Something in the way things are phrased sounds like Datswan is scum trying to get town to help mime-hunt.  Not sure I can pin that down.
TWM is still scummy too, even with his random vote for space being his only post so far today.  Man, it's almost like he has somewhere else where he's posting stuff.

My logic on this was more along the lines of Town PRs potentially dying > us lynching the mime. I also do not think we should do it in a random fashion - I quite clearly stated there were specific roles I thought we should consider. Either way, after sobering up I am not as in love with the idea as I was at first. Still think it has merit but whateves

[SpaceAnemone]

the fact we've seen a mime goon doesn't necessarily mean anything

P(A|B) = P(B|A)*P(A)/P(B) says hi!

Well, yes, I'd absolutely jump on that to say that the top row and the middle column are more likely than the other combinations if we're simply sampling a player's alignment with a uniform prior over people.

However, the lynch was itself a result of a process that you'd need to model, and it depended on the play of those involved. That includes the cooperative play of the two mimes.. so if one of them had a power that the other did not, I'm pretty sure they'd want to play it so that the goon one was more likely to get lynched first. So I'd argue that seeing a goon as the first mime lynch is much less informative than what I think you're suggesting by quoting Bayes at me.

Anyway, when making my post, I decided not to spend time attempting to marginalise over all that extra intermediate stuff. I suspect most people are not going to care one way or another, because all that they're particularly worried about is whether or not we're limited to just those two setups by some hard constraint. And actually, I think there are probably a few who don't even care about the possibilities even that much :-P

[IDontPlayThisGame]

the fact we've seen a mime goon doesn't necessarily mean anything

P(A|B) = P(B|A)*P(A)/P(B) says hi!

Well, yes, I'd absolutely jump on that to say that the top row and the middle column are more likely than the other combinations if we're simply sampling a player's alignment with a uniform prior over people.

If the Mimes started with 1-Shot Bulletproof, then either lynch would be a Goon flip. The Goon flip tells us next to nothing about the possible set-up so I think it's past time to shelve that discussion for now.

[SpaceAnemone]

the fact we've seen a mime goon doesn't necessarily mean anything

P(A|B) = P(B|A)*P(A)/P(B) says hi!

Well, yes, I'd absolutely jump on that to say that the top row and the middle column are more likely than the other combinations if we're simply sampling a player's alignment with a uniform prior over people.

If the Mimes started with 1-Shot Bulletproof, then either lynch would be a Goon flip. The Goon flip tells us next to nothing about the possible set-up so I think it's past time to shelve that discussion for now.

Sure, probably also true. Actually, the wording on the janitor part isn't super-clear, but that one might also be a shared power, in both the mime and scum cases, given how it says that it fails if at least one member of the team is role-blocked.

Either way, I totally agree that the goon flip is not very helpful when it comes to configuration stuff. That was my original very short point, before silver tried to tell me I as doing it wrong :-P I'm not actually that hopeful about getting to the bottom of the configuration question before lots of us die out, especially given the possible Janitor stuff. I think that's kind of the way the set-up is intended.

Anyway, don't all talk at once now we've apparently shelved that whole conversation...

[Robz888]

Oh, scum has daychat! Who knew...

Townslip or fake town slip?

I think it may actually be a townslip, I also missed the daychat detail.

[Robz888]

I'm also getting a town read on Space. Scum!Space seemed more guarded in Mafia 108 than they seem here.

[Roadrunner7671]

I still really don't like what ss is doing. It's sort of like he became a weird mashup of me and Joseph, but in a mime game that's no fun.

SS, do you have any plans to play like you normally do? You play however you want, it's just unnerving.

[schadd]

think rr is town

[silverspawn]

I still really don't like what ss is doing. It's sort of like he became a weird mashup of me and Joseph, but in a mime game that's no fun.

SS, do you have any plans to play like you normally do? You play however you want, it's just unnerving.

That has always been the plan. I wanted to generate a lot of discussion and then transition into more normal play. But I see your point about having failed to do that... both of those things, actually.

[schadd]

HE TAKES IT ON THE CHIN

[The_Wine_Merchant]

why space?

Bed time now. Will try to be awake just before the deadline. I'm not super-keen on the theorel wagon just because the stuff they've been posting seems okay to me, but I haven't played with them before (have I?), so I have no typical behaviour with which to compare it. As a verbose and detail-oriented person, I feel like over-explanation isn't necessarily something that's scummy.

I'd be willing to fo to Robz, I think -- his wagon-hopping doesn't feel like it's got much genuine opinion behind it. Lots of people don't seem to be saying a lot, though. Let's go with vote: Lekkit while I sleep.

I really don't like this post.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

Well, we should be having "who's mafia?" discussions, and I for me that's Vote: Theorel.

I should have listened to my gut, which was "there's something off about theorel" yesterday.

Still willing to vote here as well.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

TWM is still scummy too, even with his random vote for space being his only post so far today.  Man, it's almost like he has somewhere else where he's posting stuff.

Typical

[The_Wine_Merchant]

think rr is town

I think you are probably right.

[Roadrunner7671]

think rr is town

I think you are probably right.

Statically it seems likely

[Joseph2302]

think rr is town

I think you are probably right.

Statically it seems likely

But based on previous experience, it isn't...

[faust]

Vote Count 2.1

Joseph2302 (1): Joseph2302
The_Wine_Merchant (1): theorel
SpaceAnemone (1): The_Wine_Merchant
theorel (1): Robz888
DatSwan (1): schadd
silverspawn (1): DatSwan

Not Voting (5): Awaclus, Roadrunner7671, silverspawn, SpaceAnemone, IDontPlayThisGame

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day 2 ends Feb 2 at 4:30 pm forum time.

If the day ends and No Lynch has more votes than any player but fewer than 7 (and at least one player has a vote), is there a no lynch or is a player lynched?

No Lynch can only occur if a majority of living players votes for it prior to the deadline. No majority at the deadline will always result in a lynch.

[Joseph2302]

Vote Count 2.1

Joseph2302 (1): Joseph2302
The_Wine_Merchant (1): theorel
SpaceAnemone (1): The_Wine_Merchant
theorel (1): Robz888
DatSwan (1): schadd
silverspawn (1): DatSwan

Not Voting (5): Awaclus, Roadrunner7671, silverspawn, SpaceAnemone, IDontPlayThisGame

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day 2 ends Feb 2 at 4:30 pm forum time.

If the day ends and No Lynch has more votes than any player but fewer than 7 (and at least one player has a vote), is there a no lynch or is a player lynched?

No Lynch can only occur if a majority of living players votes for it prior to the deadline. No majority at the deadline will always result in a lynch.

I'm not voting for myself

[faust]

I'm not voting for myself

Yes you are:

I blame myself, Vote: Joseph2302

[Joseph2302]

I'm not voting for myself

Yes you are:

I blame myself, Vote: Joseph2302

Lol my mistake. Vote: theorel
Would have been a better lynch yesterday it seems

[theorel]

So, 2 days left until deadline.  Anybody have reads to share? Thoughts? discussion topics?  Can we maybe move this game in a positive direction?
@schadd why are you actually voting for datswan?
@Datswan any thoughts on players that aren't silverspawn?

@space, idptg, silver, roadrunner, awaclus...could you put a vote somewhere?  Any thoughts about who's scum?

Anybody agree with me about TWM?  Anybody disagree?  I have no idea what anyone is thinking this game...
C'mon people, commit to some pro-town play.  Discuss stuff, reveal your thoughts, make a wagon happen, anything really.

[silverspawn]

vote: Awaclus

Why are you not scum?

[Awaclus]

vote: Awaclus

Why are you not scum?

I have been useful and pointed out a lot of facts that are true.

[silverspawn]

Show me  examples of where you've been useful

[Swowl]

So, 2 days left until deadline.  Anybody have reads to share? Thoughts? discussion topics?  Can we maybe move this game in a positive direction?
@schadd why are you actually voting for datswan?
@Datswan any thoughts on players that aren't silverspawn?

@space, idptg, silver, roadrunner, awaclus...could you put a vote somewhere?  Any thoughts about who's scum?

Anybody agree with me about TWM?  Anybody disagree?  I have no idea what anyone is thinking this game...
C'mon people, commit to some pro-town play.  Discuss stuff, reveal your thoughts, make a wagon happen, anything really.

I was just thinking this actually. been working on a player write up... will be there shortly.

[Awaclus]

Show me  examples of where you've been useful

vote: Robz, don't want him to win as scum again.

But you're helping him win if he's a mime.

i think that for the most part mimes aren't going to have a game plan/know how to behave so i think withholding mime reads for a while is useful

Obvious mime thing to say

t. the guy who claimed SK

do you suppose town wants / doesn't want mimes to be nightkilled? janitor and miller are both objectively anti-town as well as mimes' day play i would think, it just happens that our interests align with scum

We absolutely do want Mimes to be NK'd by Mafia. There are three factions, so each faction has two enemies, and if we have one enemy spend their time and resources to get rid of the other enemy, that's super beneficial for us.

Hi everyone, I'm a mime. I'm telling you so you'll lynch me out of WIFOM.

This is true. I know because I'm the other mime

Then why aren't you voting for silverspawn?

Joseph claimed SK last game, was unhelpful, got lynched Day 1, it was bad for town.

He has claimed SK in all the recent games I can remember.

We should establish whether scum = non-town or scum = mafia.

Vote: theorel

Too much overjustification.

So, the question is: is claiming mime a survivalist tell?

-Town does not want to lynch mimes, so claiming mimes might look like trying not to get lynched.  This is something scum would do.
-But actual mimes will not claim mime, so claiming mime doesn't actually make you look like a mime, hence it doesn't actually decrease your chance of getting lynched...arguably it increases it (as any controversial action would).
-But then, if it does increase the chance of being lynched then it becomes a claim mime is likely to make...which brings us back to the beginning, hence the WIFOM.

Controversial actions also increase town interaction, pulling people to speak up, and providing opportunity to find scum through their "unnatural" responses, so claiming mime is potentially pro-town (as any sufficiently controversial action is).  So, since silverspawn is town, I will sheep and vote: silverspawn.

You think ss is town and therefore you vote for them?!
That seems scummy.
Vote: theorel

No, he thinks ss is town and therefore he sheeps ss.

But I am playing this game actively.

I figured it out! no-lynching is not good. Thanks, thanks, you're welcome.

Is it ever good?

Yes.

I nominate Robz as the second mime.

Of course, scum would have preferred my death to Lekkit's

Why?

Mafia doesn't want to lynch mimes.

I nominate Robz as the second mime.

Of course, scum would have preferred my death to Lekkit's

Why?

Mafia doesn't want to lynch mimes.

are you suggesting silverspawn isn't mafia?

Are you not suggesting silverspawn isn't mafia?

What about a PR claim? Could help to isolate

But we already have a good idea what PRs we have, I believe?
We had a mime goon, and so that limits us to either row 2 or column 3 on the setup.

Mime slip.

Mafia presumably didn't know whether Lekkit was a Mime.

But Lekkit flipped and now mafia knows he was a mime.

why space?

Why not?

vote: silverspawn

It'll be more effective if you explain why.

No, it'll be more effective if you explain why not.

vote: Awaclus

Why are you not scum?

I have been useful and pointed out a lot of facts that are true.

[Swowl]

Okie dokie. First three most interesting players alive IMO:

          Joseph
#72 - Claims Mime after silverspawn claimed mime a few posts before. This is now quite interesting as we lynched Lekkit, so we know that, at a minimum, one of them must be lying. Personally, because of the oddness of Joseph's timing, it makes me think he is the more likely mime. Don't know if he is, but in a world where I had to lynch one - it isn't going to be him.
----Then there are some posts in the middle that make me lean town. So at this point it is Town/Mime and either way off my lynch list for now---

#124 - Moves from SS to Theorl

#204 - Moves onto Lekkit, which puts him at L-2. This is interesting. Part of the reason I am Town/Mime. Obv a great place at the end of the day for partner mime to jump on and get the wagon going. But also, as I was picking between Therol and Lekkit on the next vote and I picked Lekkit, I can't say I didn't see the appeal from a Town perspective. The difference here is that he MOVED FROM THEROL to LEKKIT. If he is town and has no knowledge then he flipped the wagon with 3 hours left or whatever on accident, and if he is mime then on purpose. Ruling out Mafia for now, do not believe that he would of jumped around so much (unless Therol and Joseph both Mafia, but I don't think that as of now).

Day 2 - No real content so far. "lynching a mime was bad" post and then a self vote somewhere at the beginning.

All in all IDK. One of those "not worth it today because of the info we could gain by tomorrow things", so probably not lynching today.


          silverspawn
#60 - I am the mime with a self vote.
----Then like nothing for a while. Then kind of tries to bring back the lynch me campaign at #100---
#149 - Claims not Mime, unvotes himself and votes for Therol. This happens within 20 hours of deadline and puts Therol at L-2. At the time it was whatever, but now as we know that both SS and Therol cannot BOTH be mimes it means either SS is a mime voting off himself onto an unkown, mafia bussing for some reason, mafia targeting a hopeful town, or town actually trying.
-- Then pretty much whatever until the end. At end of day once Lekkit was at L-2 and SS was on Theorel, even if he was the mime he couldn't of switched off onto Lekkit, it would of looked too fishy. Also imo, based on the move and stay through the end, if one is skum then the other is not between SS and Theorel.---

Day 2 - He nominates Robz, which I actually agree with so points there except I guess Town and Mafia want to find Mimes all the same.
#281 - didn't know skum has DC. whatever, not reading too much into it. Either mafia and doing a thing or Town and legit didn't know. Thing is..... if he is town and legit didn't know, why would you post it?

That't it. I think mafia. if not then VT. Fave lynch candidate at this time.


          theorel

#56 - breaks down the pro/con of kill actions at night for each faction. Super towny. Especially because if you re read the verbiage it just is written from the perspective of someone analyzing what the NK could do and not like at all opinionated on the correct use of it.

#121 - repeats my thoughts on SS. obv I agree with him and think it is towny.

#193 - This is the "if we are fucked, we are fucked" post. Everything from here on out in Day 1 between Theorel and Lekkit is kind of surrounded by a cloud of "well if we fucked up super bad and put both of the Mimes to L-2 with 5 hours left then shit". Mainly because, if we assume that is a thing, it severely limits the info we can take out of the day. Because of that... I am going with probs and saying that at this time I rule Theorel out for Mime. In this post he gives player break downs and votes Lekkit.

Day 2
#230 - Agrees it is likely mime 2 was on the wagon.
#279 - He slams down my claim idea without reading it... which is towny. He is also right about the points he made on the case I didn't present.. also towny.
And then the most recent post.
All in all - I don't get the TWM case but other than that it seems straight forward town for me. Unlynchable list at this point in time.


TLDR:
I think SS is Mafia or VT.
I think Theorel is Town.
I think I don't want to lynch Joseph. Today.



Going to review vote switches at the end of d1, post that and then do the remaining players that have said more than 2 things.

[schadd]

@schadd why are you actually voting for datswan?

he's like

malvina explainville

[schadd]

"look at all this explaining i can do" he might say

[Swowl]

"look at all this explaining i can do" he might say

but... you were voting for me before the explainville?

[SpaceAnemone]

Quick run-down of people from my perspective, since I'm trying hard not to get behind on this...

Robz: doesn't seem that helpful; especially missing in the early game. A number of his opinions seem to run contrary to mine, which doesn't necessarily mean scum, but does make me wary of even agreeing with him.

Awaclus: is being his usual self.

RR: Middle of the road Roadrunner. Not too worried either way just now.

silver: Being weirdly provocative, but not in an argumentative way, which I feel is in itself odd. Maybe too odd a change in behaviour for him to be actual scum, where he'd want to be more careful. I could still believe mime, maybe.

Theorel: towny, pushing the game along. Not lynching here.

Space: Spaaaaace :-) Just to be clear, I'm not advocating a space-lynch here!

Joseph: Well, the mimes are lucky if he's one of them, because I always want to lynch him. I do think he's non-mime here, because of the slip about the goons, but I'm happy to keep him off the table for the moment.

TWM: I could vote here from omgus, and he's also another player whose thoughts on what we ought to do now run opposite to mine, but actually he posted some pretty reasonable stuff earlier on, so maybe he's not all bad.

schadd: I feel like he's usually more creative and expansive. But then when I re-read, he _has_ been posting commentary and things, it's just all pretty null and not constructive. Maybe he's nullish-scummy?

DatSwan: He's oddly on top of some small bits of setup stuff, but also kind of disengaged. He's a reasonable candidate for someone with a non-town wincon, but I'm not currently sure which way.

IDP: Reads as plain old town to me.

Meh, the existence of mimes makes me really wary of voting, especially after how well I tripped into voting Lekkit in D1.
I think vote: schadd is safer than some of the others, and has a reasonable chance of being scum.

[schadd]

"look at all this explaining i can do" he might say

but... you were voting for me before the explainville?

i mean yes, i was voting for you before #310. i'm referring to your habit holistically; low affect / engagement, high explaininess

i also suppose i'm allowed to provide whatever is most salient at the moment i'm asked

i somewhat think less than both of space and datswan are scum which is fun

[Robz888]

I'm not voting for myself

Yes you are:

I blame myself, Vote: Joseph2302

Lol my mistake. Vote: theorel
Would have been a better lynch yesterday it seems

OMG Joseph is like confirmed!mime at this point.

[schadd]

yeah robz is probably town or mime

[Joseph2302]

I'm not voting for myself

Yes you are:

I blame myself, Vote: Joseph2302

Lol my mistake. Vote: theorel
Would have been a better lynch yesterday it seems

OMG Joseph is like confirmed!mime at this point.

I'm not a mime. Although if you want to use that to not lynch me, that's fine

[Roadrunner7671]

Space's reads makes me townier on them (not because I agree with the reads, but just because of how they are). However, not too wild about the schadd vote.

[Swowl]

"look at all this explaining i can do" he might say

but... you were voting for me before the explainville?

i mean yes, i was voting for you before #310. i'm referring to your habit holistically; low affect / engagement, high explaininess

i also suppose i'm allowed to provide whatever is most salient at the moment i'm asked

i somewhat think less than both of space and datswan are scum which is fun

I still don't get it.... I mean I don't care anymore either lol but like if I always have a "low affect/engagement, high explaininess" approach... then how does that ping me for skum?

[Swowl]

"look at all this explaining i can do" he might say

but... you were voting for me before the explainville?

i mean yes, i was voting for you before #310. i'm referring to your habit holistically; low affect / engagement, high explaininess

i also suppose i'm allowed to provide whatever is most salient at the moment i'm asked

i somewhat think less than both of space and datswan are scum which is fun

I think it is 0/2. FWIW.

[SpaceAnemone]

However, not too wild about the schadd vote.

Who do you think I should have picked, given my reads on everyone?

[Swowl]

 more S'PLAINING for my lower case amigo:

People that seem out of character:

1) (why not lead with him) Schaad - going back and reading posts just like very light on the town helping side from someone that normally has some solid insights.

2) IDPTG - way quieter than usual. that's pretty much it. don't really think it means anything, just including him.

3) TWM - No DAMA posts so far. def skummy.

[schadd]

I still don't get it.... I mean I don't care anymore either lol but like if I always have a "low affect/engagement, high explaininess" approach... then how does that ping me for skum?

i meant, in this game in particular

1) (why not lead with him) Schaad - going back and reading posts just like very light on the town helping side from someone that normally has some solid insights.

you've played with me once and i was scum?

[theorel]

Feeling sick, don't know how much I'll be on.  I'll try to pop in tomorrow if I'm well enough.

[Swowl]

I still don't get it.... I mean I don't care anymore either lol but like if I always have a "low affect/engagement, high explaininess" approach... then how does that ping me for skum?

i meant, in this game in particular

1) (why not lead with him) Schaad - going back and reading posts just like very light on the town helping side from someone that normally has some solid insights.

you've played with me once and i was scum?

I thought we were just saying generic statements about each other that didn't fit? I guess I don't get it mb....

[Swowl]

vote count/deadline plz

[Swowl]

OK whatever, by my count this is the VC and we have 15 hours to DL (could be wrong, done by hand):

The_Wine_Merchant (1): theorel
SpaceAnemone (1): The_Wine_Merchant
theorel (1): Robz888, Joseph
DatSwan (1): schadd
silverspawn (1): DatSwan
Awaclus (1): silverspawn
schadd (1): SpaceAnemone
Not Voting (3): Awaclus, Roadrunner7671, IDontPlayThisGame

I very much still want to do SS, but that aside here is where I am at given I will be spotty up until DL:


I am absolutely not going to lynch the following:
Joseph (too likely mime)
Robz (too likely mime)
Theorel (too likely town)


I do not care about the following:
Awaclus (normal self)
schadd (fist pick from this category but just based on gut)
Space (no number which is weird, otherwise would be in no lynch)
RR (normal self)


I will gladly vote for the following:
silverspawn
IDPTG
TWM



If DL is in 15 hours or so from now then I guess I will be here for the next several hours, and then gone, and then back again for a short while when there is like 1 hour or so left. I will be on a mountain in the middle of nowhere tomorrow and service will be spotty so I cannot promise anything.

vote:TWM

[faust]

Vote Count 2.2

The_Wine_Merchant (2): theorel, DatSwan
SpaceAnemone (1): The_Wine_Merchant
theorel (2): Robz888, Joseph2302
DatSwan (1): schadd
Awaclus (1): silverspawn
schadd (1): SpaceAnemone

Not Voting (3): Awaclus, Roadrunner7671, IDontPlayThisGame

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day 2 ends Feb 2 at 4:30 pm forum time.

That's in 14.5 hours.

[Joseph2302]

Vote: Wine

[Joseph2302]

I'll be on/off around near deadline

[SpaceAnemone]

Space (no number which is weird, otherwise would be in no lynch)

Wait, what's the no number thing? Did I miss something I was meant to do?

[SpaceAnemone]

I don't mind the TWM votes, in that I don't think he's a likely mime, but I also don't feel that he's likely scum.

If we're hoping scum will do the mime-riddance job for us, do we feel like we've given them enough likely targets yet?

[SpaceAnemone]

Vote: Wine

What are your feelings on schadd and on Swan?

[silverspawn]

vote: TWM

[silverspawn]

actually, unvote

[silverspawn]

I'll get a reread done and put my vote somewhere before the deadline comes too close

[Awaclus]

actually, unvote

Vote: silverspawn

[silverspawn]

Thoughts:

schadd is making sense. I have never seen this before. Probably town.
Everyone is assuming mime is playing obviously (suspecting Joseph / Robz). A good mime would play in such a way that it doesn't look like she's a mime. I know this argument always applies and also applies for mafia, but nonetheless, I feel like we're assuming a lower standard there. If I was a mime, I would probably either play a really lazy game or something really weird, but not ostensibly anti town like Joseph and Robz are. I think they are both non-mime and might be scum, particularly Joseph.

Joseph claimed SK last game, was unhelpful, got lynched Day 1, it was bad for town.

Well that doesn't help.

This is what I'm mostly talking about. This assumes Mime's have a really superficial way of approaching the game

So if we lynch them both then they win on that. However, if we lynch one and the other dies to an NK they do not win (I think that is correct).

Thing is, if you are a Mime... why would you claim mime? If you want to get lynched an not NKed... just doesn't really make any sense. I mean even if you draw the attention during the day to yourself, then there is the whole night meta.. if you get killed then your team loses on the spot. You will be targeted by Mafia most likely and it will put a weird spin on Town where we have to decide what to do. I feel as if the much better strategy would of been to act as "Mafia-y" as possible if the goal was to be lynched.

If you are Town... why would you claim mime? I can only assume if you are VT then to proc PRs and help to gain information down the road. I suppose it puts mimes in a spot where they cannot really claim, however why would you want to.

If you are Mafia... why would you claim mime? Well, it makes it unlikely that you will be lynched. It also means that the Mimes will know you are lying obv, but since your team would control the NK you don't have to worry about being shot at night.


Further fun note: Considering that the mimes can only protect one of themselves at night, we can absolutely assume that one of the mime claims is a lie (since they cannot target themselves). So if one of them claimed, the other one could just proc them each night or hope they get get lynched I guess. But if both claim then how do they determine who skum would aim at at night? Just from a rational point, all likelihood aside, I just don't see how both mimes could possibly claim and find an upside in it.

I will finish reading tonight and get more to this later.

[silverspawn]

In fact that makes me want to vote: DatSwan. There is a gap between how good an argument sounds and how good it actually is that people don't actually realize most of the time (this is true outside of mafia). That gap can go in either direction and be of varying size. Being in a position where you have to make up things reliably produces arguments that sound better than they actually are. This is one such.

[silverspawn]

We should establish whether scum = non-town or scum = mafia.

I think scum = non-town will lead to more confusion than sticking to scum = mafia.

Actually scum=non-town is the established definition. At least, almost. Scum = anti-town is more like it. Survivor is not scum.

[silverspawn]

Hey all. Sorry, I've not been helping much. Having a hard time getting into this one. Will try harder this week.

Ok actually Robz might be a mime. This is a mime post. But Joseph is not a mime.

[silverspawn]

theorel is town.

[silverspawn]

I think seeing something of a wifomy survival tactic coming from silver isn't that much of a surprise, because he's typically an early target.

This is new, by the way. I was rarely an early target for most of history.

[silverspawn]

Vote: theorel

I'm also okay with a Vote: theorel

hm...

[silverspawn]

lekkit and space i like for not town

Wrong on at least one count. Does that make you more or less likely to be right on the other one?

Less.

[silverspawn]

unvote ok fine, I'm town. I just couldn't resist trying this. I'll be serious from now on.

The key thing about my wagon is I think this: team mime knew that I was lying since they are the mimes. As a mime, I think I'd conclude that a claimed mime is a mafia, and I might vote for them. This isn't as relevant as I had hoped though, since the wagon never really picked up... I thought it would. I guess I have too much of a reputation of trying things.

One day to deadline sucks, you'd think a mime claim would force more discussion but nope

I'm up for lynching theorel for his voting and caution. Or we could always lynch Awaclus, that's never a bad thing.

vote: theorel

That's what happens if you don't take the time to reread.

[silverspawn]

Space is also town.

I feel like lurking would just be a super duper easy way to win as a mime.

RR probably too.

TWM, too.

[silverspawn]

There is frustratingly little to go on.

But in conclusion, everyone is town except for Robz who might be mime and Awaclus and DatSwan. Therefore that's the scum team. Let's lynch DatSwan.

[silverspawn]

What do people think are Awaclus' alignment tells? AS I see it, as mafia, he's anti town and frustrating, and as town, he's anti-town and frustrating. The only conclusion I draw from this is that he might play different if he was a mime, because then he might do what's anti-town from his perspective, which would probably be less anti-town than what's pro-town from his perspective.

[Awaclus]

What do people think are Awaclus' alignment tells? AS I see it, as mafia, he's anti town and frustrating, and as town, he's anti-town and frustrating. The only conclusion I draw from this is that he might play different if he was a mime, because then he might do what's anti-town from his perspective, which would probably be less anti-town than what's pro-town from his perspective.

The conclusion you should be drawing from that is that "alignment tells" are about as useful for scumhunting as astrology and ESP — many believe in them but there has never been any proof to show that they do anything useful for anyone.

[Swowl]

In fact that makes me want to vote: DatSwan. There is a gap between how good an argument sounds and how good it actually is that people don't actually realize most of the time (this is true outside of mafia). That gap can go in either direction and be of varying size. Being in a position where you have to make up things reliably produces arguments that sound better than they actually are. This is one such.

Lolz

[Swowl]

Also that was the longest set of omgus posts I’ve ever seen.
Still fine with TWM but I’m more she is skum now then before I’ll be back like an hour befor DL

[theorel]

Popping in...
One thing that reads scummy to me, is people that want to lynch someone simply because they're convinced that person is not a mime.
I mean, yes, town doesn't want to lynch mimes same as scum...but town really still wants to lynch scum.  Scum really just doesn't want to lynch mimes.  This reasoning gives me a bit of a scum-read on DatSwan, and I think someone else (though I can't remember who).  It's kind of a subtle difference between definitely not mime, might be scum vs. think they're scum and probably not mime.  It could just be play-style though.

Anyways, I'm still good with TWM...it'd be great to hear from IDPTG, it feels like it's been a while.

[Awaclus]

I think it's fair to not want to lynch mimes. We lose if the last mime is lynched now.

[Swowl]

Popping in...
One thing that reads scummy to me, is people that want to lynch someone simply because they're convinced that person is not a mime.
I mean, yes, town doesn't want to lynch mimes same as scum...but town really still wants to lynch scum.  Scum really just doesn't want to lynch mimes.  This reasoning gives me a bit of a scum-read on DatSwan, and I think someone else (though I can't remember who).  It's kind of a subtle difference between definitely not mime, might be scum vs. think they're scum and probably not mime.  It could just be play-style though.

Anyways, I'm still good with TWM...it'd be great to hear from IDPTG, it feels like it's been a while.

My case on SS is not based simply on the fact that i do not think they are a mime. I do not think they are a mime and i think there is a greater than not chance they are not Town.

Since hitting a mime is an immediate lose con i actually am pretty fond of my PoE approach to things

[silverspawn]

Popping in...
One thing that reads scummy to me, is people that want to lynch someone simply because they're convinced that person is not a mime.
I mean, yes, town doesn't want to lynch mimes same as scum...but town really still wants to lynch scum.  Scum really just doesn't want to lynch mimes.  This reasoning gives me a bit of a scum-read on DatSwan, and I think someone else (though I can't remember who).  It's kind of a subtle difference between definitely not mime, might be scum vs. think they're scum and probably not mime.  It could just be play-style though.

Anyways, I'm still good with TWM...it'd be great to hear from IDPTG, it feels like it's been a while.

My case on SS is not based simply on the fact that i do not think they are a mime. I do not think they are a mime and i think there is a greater than not chance they are not Town.

I hope my eventual reveal, hopefully after the end of the game, will teach you something  about overconfidence. If you believe the chance for me to be scum is higher than 50% that proves pretty much without a doubt that you're not well calibrated.

[silverspawn]

(scum as in mafia in that case)

[silverspawn]

Or you're mafia and lying.

[schadd]

schadd is making sense. I have never seen this before. Probably town.

lmao where

[silverspawn]

Here:

idptg i like for town


lekkit and space i like for not town

analysis
[|||||-----] 50%
[||||||||||] 100%
done!
no lynch is bad

Though while we're on guts, what's everyone's take on Swan right now?

are you suggesting datswan is an INTESTINE

vote: datswan

[silverspawn]

I don't think I've ever had this many town reads! In fact I have exactly as many town reads as there are town players left in the game.

[schadd]

Here:

idptg i like for town


lekkit and space i like for not town

analysis
[|||||-----] 50%
[||||||||||] 100%
done!
no lynch is bad

Though while we're on guts, what's everyone's take on Swan right now?

are you suggesting datswan is an INTESTINE

vote: datswan

ok

[Robz888]

I'll be here until deadline.

I actually think silverspawn is making a whole lot of sense--including about how I've probably been wrong in my approach to this game!--so much so, that I will trust him and Vote: DatSwan.

[Awaclus]

I don't think I've ever had this many town reads! In fact I have exactly as many town reads as there are town players left in the game.

Well, at least one of those town reads must be wrong because I'm also town.

[Swowl]

Guys I’m not skum. Probably no service from here on out so just doing this now. I am VT. Nadda de nadda.

Maybe back before DL.
Really i would be a bad lynch here. Only case against me is in making cases lol

[silverspawn]

Why do you feel so much pressure when only 2 people are voting for you and no-one else has expressed any interest?

[IDontPlayThisGame]

it'd be great to hear from IDPTG, it feels like it's been a while.

Yeah, sorry about that. Between work,this game being weird, and learning a new game IRL I haven't been putting in the time I should. I'll try to place a vote soon.

[Swowl]

Why do you feel so much pressure when only 2 people are voting for you and no-one else has expressed any interest?

No pressure. Cool like a cucumber....or a cat.... or an ice cube

[The_Wine_Merchant]

I am here for a bit. Deadline is today yes?

[Swowl]

Deadline is in 57 minutes

[Roadrunner7671]

Wait why did you claimmmm

[Roadrunner7671]

Deadline is in 57 minutes

Didn't realize this, it's time to vote.

[Swowl]

Deadline is in 57 minutes

Or just under 4 hours actually Idk i can’t remember what forum time is based on

[The_Wine_Merchant]

So, 2 days left until deadline.  Anybody have reads to share? Thoughts? discussion topics?  Can we maybe move this game in a positive direction?
@schadd why are you actually voting for datswan?
@Datswan any thoughts on players that aren't silverspawn?

@space, idptg, silver, roadrunner, awaclus...could you put a vote somewhere?  Any thoughts about who's scum?

Anybody agree with me about TWM?  Anybody disagree?  I have no idea what anyone is thinking this game...
C'mon people, commit to some pro-town play.  Discuss stuff, reveal your thoughts, make a wagon happen, anything really.

I disagree with you. How's that?

Seriously though, I am sorry that I haven't been able to be as present.

PPE: Oh. Glad I showed up when I did.

[Roadrunner7671]

Nope, D2 is over in 55 minutes.

[Roadrunner7671]

Awaclus
silverspawn
The_Wine_Merchant
IDontPlayThisGame
Those are the people I'm happiest lynching. I don't think they're super likely to be mimes and I haven't gotten super townie vibes from them, so we're all set to lynch em up.

[silverspawn]

pretty sure the lower three are all town.

[silverspawn]

vote: Awaclus

[The_Wine_Merchant]

Quick run-down of people from my perspective, since I'm trying hard not to get behind on this...

Robz: doesn't seem that helpful; especially missing in the early game. A number of his opinions seem to run contrary to mine, which doesn't necessarily mean scum, but does make me wary of even agreeing with him.

Awaclus: is being his usual self.

RR: Middle of the road Roadrunner. Not too worried either way just now.

silver: Being weirdly provocative, but not in an argumentative way, which I feel is in itself odd. Maybe too odd a change in behaviour for him to be actual scum, where he'd want to be more careful. I could still believe mime, maybe.

Theorel: towny, pushing the game along. Not lynching here.

Space: Spaaaaace :-) Just to be clear, I'm not advocating a space-lynch here!

Joseph: Well, the mimes are lucky if he's one of them, because I always want to lynch him. I do think he's non-mime here, because of the slip about the goons, but I'm happy to keep him off the table for the moment.

TWM: I could vote here from omgus, and he's also another player whose thoughts on what we ought to do now run opposite to mine, but actually he posted some pretty reasonable stuff earlier on, so maybe he's not all bad.

schadd: I feel like he's usually more creative and expansive. But then when I re-read, he _has_ been posting commentary and things, it's just all pretty null and not constructive. Maybe he's nullish-scummy?

DatSwan: He's oddly on top of some small bits of setup stuff, but also kind of disengaged. He's a reasonable candidate for someone with a non-town wincon, but I'm not currently sure which way.

IDP: Reads as plain old town to me.

Meh, the existence of mimes makes me really wary of voting, especially after how well I tripped into voting Lekkit in D1.
I think vote: schadd is safer than some of the others, and has a reasonable chance of being scum.

Still liking the space vote.

[silverspawn]

why? space is town.

[IDontPlayThisGame]

vote: No Lynch

I'd rather skip a lynch than avoid a mime by lynching a townread. I don't have any scumreads I feel that confident in.

[Roadrunner7671]

Vote: IDPTG

You have no non-town reads?

[The_Wine_Merchant]

3) TWM - No DAMA posts so far. def skummy.

Sigh. Dryuary

But now it is February, so that is something to look forward to.

[IDontPlayThisGame]

Vote: IDPTG

You have no non-town reads?

I have no non-town reads that I can solidly place in either the mime or mafia categories.

[Roadrunner7671]

Vote: IDPTG

You have no non-town reads?

I have no non-town reads that I can solidly place in either the mime or mafia categories.

How do you anticipate that changing?

[The_Wine_Merchant]

Oof, I have votes. My own fault for not being around I guess.

I feel like I need to do a survival vote on DatSwan, but don't really feel great about that. I would still prefer space or theorel. Or Robz.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

I guess I could go for IDPTG as well

[IDontPlayThisGame]

Vote: IDPTG

You have no non-town reads?

I have no non-town reads that I can solidly place in either the mime or mafia categories.

How do you anticipate that changing?

Not by lynching town.

[Roadrunner7671]

Vote: IDPTG

You have no non-town reads?

I have no non-town reads that I can solidly place in either the mime or mafia categories.

How do you anticipate that changing?

Not by lynching town.

Thanks for dodging the question 

Why don't you just YOLO it and go for one of your non-town reads? a no lynch isn't gonna happen.

[Robz888]

Oof, I have votes. My own fault for not being around I guess.

I feel like I need to do a survival vote on DatSwan, but don't really feel great about that. I would still prefer space or theorel. Or Robz.

Go for DS!

[The_Wine_Merchant]

I feel like he is getting heat because theorel asked for content and reads and then DatSwan provided some and then everyone yelled "scummy!"

[Swowl]

Yeah back to this. No service for the end all sorry.

vote: silverspawn

[SpaceAnemone]

I'm around now, having been away for a few hours. Catching up!

[The_Wine_Merchant]

vote: IDPTG

[SpaceAnemone]

Vote: TWM

[The_Wine_Merchant]

The_Wine_Merchant (3): theorel, joseph, Space
DatSwan (2): schadd, Robz
Awaclus (1): silverspawn
silver (2): awaclus, DatSwan
IDPTG (2): RR, Wine

Well I guess I have to vote: datswan

[The_Wine_Merchant]

Vote: TWM

Just pure OMGUS?

[SpaceAnemone]

It's not pure omgus, but IDP is one of my stronger town reads.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

Would you go to silver?

[The_Wine_Merchant]

I am on Datswan now. IDPTG isn't even playing the game

[The_Wine_Merchant]

5 viewing and only space and me talking

[SpaceAnemone]

Where is everyone else?

[The_Wine_Merchant]

foooock i am dead

[The_Wine_Merchant]

oh well

[The_Wine_Merchant]

scummy people just lurking!

[SpaceAnemone]

Sorry.. would possibly have moved to silver, but the site keeps timing out on me!

[The_Wine_Merchant]

Sorry.. would possibly have moved to silver, but the site keeps timing out on me!

Well crap. See you guys next game.

[SpaceAnemone]

I see Swan and IDP lurking. Who else is there?

I feel like keeping a closer eye on silver might be a good idea.

[SpaceAnemone]

Well, Joseph is also lurking on the site in general, for future reference.

[Joseph2302]

Well, Joseph is also lurking on the site in general, for future reference.

I'm online now.
Didn't the deadline pass though?

[Swowl]

I mean I’m here not lurking lol did my fair share with the connection i had

[Awaclus]

What's the vote count?

[Swowl]

We in twilight

[Joseph2302]

We in twilight

Who's dead?

[Roadrunner7671]

Had to go to work, I put my vote where I wanted it but didn't see any results. And it seems like TWM was town.

[Swowl]

Upon second glance i think me and TWM were tied at the deadline?

[silverspawn]

Sorry, I got distracted.

Had to go to work, I put my vote where I wanted it but didn't see any results. And it seems like TWM was town.

Orly?

[silverspawn]

I really have no idea where that TWM thing was coming from. He seemed quite obviously town to me from the start. I'm not sure if I've even seen a case.

[silverspawn]

Upon second glance i think me and TWM were tied at the deadline?

I sure hope so.

[silverspawn]

5. If the deadline is hit without a player reaching the majority of votes, the player with the most votes will be lynched. If two or more players are tied, whoever had more votes at the end of the previous Day is lynched. If still tied, the lynchee is determined randomly among the tied players.

who had more votes at the end of the previous day?...

[silverspawn]

Tied.

[silverspawn]

That is, zero on both.

[faust]

I won't get around to this today I'm afraid. Enjoy some twilight.

[Swowl]

So what it twilight etiquette? Like can i still talk if there is a chance i am hung?

[faust]

Day 2 Final Vote Count

The_Wine_Merchant (3): theorel, Joseph2302, SpaceAnemone
DatSwan (3): schadd, Robz888, The_Wine_Merchant
silverspawn (2): Awaclus, DatSwan
Awaclus (1): silverspawn
No Lynch (1): IDontPlayThisGame
IDontPlayThisGame (1): Roadrunner7671

Not Voting (0)

With 11 alive, it took 6 to lynch.

[faust]

Who cares about flavor anyway?

The_Wine_Merchant has been lynched. They were Taylor Doose, the Mafia Goon!

Night 2 starts now and lasts some time. Probably a bit more than 48 hours. Night actions due in 47 hours.

[faust]

Another night over. Oh, this time some people died.

Roadrunner7671 has died! They were [REDACTED].

SpaceAnemone has died! They were Sookie St. James, the Weak Doctor!

Vote Count 3.0

Not Voting (8): Robz888, Awaclus, silverspawn, theorel, Joseph2302, schadd, DatSwan, IDontPlayThisGame

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 3 starts now and ends Feb 12 at 4:30 am forum time.

[theorel]

Yay, we lynched mafia.

So, did TWM's partner hang him out to dry?  Or were they already voting alongside him?  He finally pushed up an alternate wagon with 4 minutes to go, and it sounds like people were having connection troubles.  So, it is not out of the question that his partner could have, but failed, to save him.

I think however that DatSwan is extremely unlikely to be scum.  And similarly for joseph...there is no reason for him to be voting for his partner there.

So, where does that put us?
-schadd and Robz, if scum, could not have saved TWM by changing their vote at the last minute.  But they could have changed their vote earlier.  It's a potential reason that TWM got stuck being lynched, but it seems a bit weird.  In particular, TWM could have just voted for Silver and let one of them change their vote to save him.  Or, just voted for silver anyways, so that if lynched there would be only one scum on-wagon.
-silverspawn: was as leading a wagon as DatSwan.  TWM did not choose to go there, but expressed willingness if space would, or at least expressed a desire for space to switch there.  Seems more like a survival tactic than WIFOM.  But he may well have had a reason not to vote there.
-IDPTG: TWM was on IDPTG before deadline loomed...would he have been bussing strongly when he's the other lynch-option?  I'm leaning no.
And finally awaclus...

So, if Awaclus is scum, that might be why TWM didn't vote silver.  It might be why his partner didn't get saved.  And it might be why I'm leaning town on everyone else.
vote: awaclus

[Awaclus]

So, if Awaclus is scum, that might be why TWM didn't vote silver.  It might be why his partner didn't get saved.  And it might be why I'm leaning town on everyone else.
vote: awaclus

But that's a really bad reason. Why would TWM vote silver when he was already on the biggest wagon other than himself?

[theorel]

So, if Awaclus is scum, that might be why TWM didn't vote silver.  It might be why his partner didn't get saved.  And it might be why I'm leaning town on everyone else.
vote: awaclus

But that's a really bad reason. Why would TWM vote silver when he was already on the biggest wagon other than himself?

He was on IDPTG before he voted for DatSwan with 4 minutes left in the day.  He wasn't already on the biggest wagon.

[Awaclus]

So, if Awaclus is scum, that might be why TWM didn't vote silver.  It might be why his partner didn't get saved.  And it might be why I'm leaning town on everyone else.
vote: awaclus

But that's a really bad reason. Why would TWM vote silver when he was already on the biggest wagon other than himself?

He was on IDPTG before he voted for DatSwan with 4 minutes left in the day.  He wasn't already on the biggest wagon.

But then he was.

[Joseph2302]

Another night over. Oh, this time some people died.

Roadrunner7671 has died! They were [REDACTED].

SpaceAnemone has died! They were Sookie St. James, the Weak Doctor!

Vote Count 3.0

Not Voting (: Robz888, Awaclus, silverspawn, theorel, Joseph2302, schadd, DatSwan, IDontPlayThisGame

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 3 starts now and ends Feb 12 at 4:30 am forum time.

Okay so we have a weak doctor and a janitor (of some faction). Therefore we know the setup is row 3 or column 3

[Joseph2302]

Also I'm on holiday til 11th so sporadic posting (and different timezone, so posting will be even more sporadic)

[Joseph2302]

Day 2 Final Vote Count

The_Wine_Merchant (3): theorel, Joseph2302, SpaceAnemone
DatSwan (3): schadd, Robz888, The_Wine_Merchant
silverspawn (2): Awaclus, DatSwan
Awaclus (1): silverspawn
No Lynch (1): IDontPlayThisGame
IDontPlayThisGame (1): Roadrunner7671

Not Voting (0)

With 11 alive, it took 6 to lynch.

So me, theorel and Space were the only people on the scum lynch. 8 people weren't which makes me think scum weren't,  as scum expected a wagon to build bigger than TWM wagon of 3

[IDontPlayThisGame]

Another night over. Oh, this time some people died.

Roadrunner7671 has died! They were [REDACTED].

SpaceAnemone has died! They were Sookie St. James, the Weak Doctor!

Vote Count 3.0

Not Voting (: Robz888, Awaclus, silverspawn, theorel, Joseph2302, schadd, DatSwan, IDontPlayThisGame

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 3 starts now and ends Feb 12 at 4:30 am forum time.

Okay so we have a weak doctor and a janitor (of some faction). Therefore we know the setup is row 3 or column 3

No. It could be the lower left/upper right diagonal.

[Robz888]

Theorel, Joseph, DatSwan all seem definitely not mafia.

Most suspicious looking people are me and schadd. But I'm not scum, so Vote: schadd.

What is the benefit for mafia in janitor-ing RoadRunner?

[silverspawn]

hm I guess I was wrong.

[silverspawn]

Theorel, Joseph, DatSwan all seem definitely not mafia.

Most suspicious looking people are me and schadd. But I'm not scum, so Vote: schadd.

What is the benefit for mafia in janitor-ing RoadRunner?

Now we don't know whether the mime has been killed. That's literally the only difference, I think? If RR was the mime, it could be that mafia wants to use the threat of mimes not to be lynched. That would point towards... you, actually.

But it doesn't make a lot of sense, because mafia wouldn't have known that RR was mime. And I also doubt he was...

[silverspawn]

vote: schadd makes sense

[silverspawn]

but I also want to vote: Awaclus

[silverspawn]

Then again Awaclus could have prevented the lynch. Really, it looks good for everyone who was around.

vote: schadd

[Joseph2302]

Another night over. Oh, this time some people died.

Roadrunner7671 has died! They were [REDACTED].

SpaceAnemone has died! They were Sookie St. James, the Weak Doctor!

Vote Count 3.0

Not Voting (: Robz888, Awaclus, silverspawn, theorel, Joseph2302, schadd, DatSwan, IDontPlayThisGame

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 3 starts now and ends Feb 12 at 4:30 am forum time.

Okay so we have a weak doctor and a janitor (of some faction). Therefore we know the setup is row 3 or column 3

No. It could be the lower left/upper right diagonal.

I didn't realise it could be a diagonal.....

[Joseph2302]

Theorel, Joseph, DatSwan all seem definitely not mafia.

Most suspicious looking people are me and schadd. But I'm not scum, so Vote: schadd.

What is the benefit for mafia in janitor-ing RoadRunner?

Now we don't know whether the mime has been killed. That's literally the only difference, I think? If RR was the mime, it could be that mafia wants to use the threat of mimes not to be lynched. That would point towards... you, actually.

But it doesn't make a lot of sense, because mafia wouldn't have known that RR was mime. And I also doubt he was...

That was my thought. Scum could kill a mime and hide it. But RR wasn't one of the people being suggested as a mime yesterday FWIW

[Joseph2302]

If my posts don't make sense, it's probably coz I'm currently ill in a foreign country on holiday.

[theorel]

The_Wine_Merchant (3): theorel, joseph, Space
DatSwan (2): schadd, Robz
Awaclus (1): silverspawn
silver (2): awaclus, DatSwan
IDPTG (2): RR, Wine

Well I guess I have to vote: datswan

@Robz/silver: if schadd is scum, why did TWM vote for datswan instead of silver?

I mean, at the point of that quote in the game, he has 2 choices that even up another wagon with his own and give him the possibility of surviving.  If he votes alongside his scum-mate he's depending on either a lucky roll of the dice or a town player to switch to his wagon.  If he votes differently from his partner, then he can hope his partner notices what's going on and joins him.

[theorel]

Awaclus showed up 10 minutes after deadline asking for a vote count...although he *could* have prevented the lynch, it's possible that he failed to for other reasons.

[Awaclus]

I'm fine with schadd. Vote: schadd

[Awaclus]

Awaclus showed up 10 minutes after deadline asking for a vote count...although he *could* have prevented the lynch, it's possible that he failed to for other reasons.

That's true, unfortunately. It still looks great for me though because I'm town anyway.

[Awaclus]

I mean it's true that I had other reasons why I wasn't present until after the deadline. I wasn't trying to prevent TWM's lynch.

[Joseph2302]

Well, Joseph is also lurking on the site in general, for future reference.

Wasn't technically lurking, I had it open in a browser tab I wasn't using. If I'd been scum, I would definitely have bothered to move my vote though

[Swowl]

If it is a Mafia Janitor - What is the upside to killing the guy you Janit? Like if you are the only one left and we know the other is goon then we know they don't know so why janit them and kill them? BC of this I think we could eliminate it to a Mime Janitor. They are one shot either way so it only really matters for PoE reasons but stil.

So, just saying, probably not a mafia janitor.

[Awaclus]

If it is a Mafia Janitor - What is the upside to killing the guy you Janit?

What is the downside?

[Robz888]

Schadd has not yet surfaced. Schadd, will you address the fact that you are obviously scum?

[Swowl]

If it is a Mafia Janitor - What is the upside to killing the guy you Janit?

What is the downside?

Idk I’m assuming the janitor doesn’t get the results either.

[schadd]

Hi everyone, I'm a mime. I'm telling you so you'll lynch me out of WIFOM.

This is true. I know because I'm the other mime

Vote for vote: joseph I dislike his mime claim more than silver's because joseph already opened with the dumb SK claim. Feel like he realized this would be a weird way to get early attention and see it dissipate after silver did his. Whereas silver's just looks like early game antics.

Highly doubt either of them are actually mimes.

pre-emptively answers "why aren't you scumreading silverspawn?" which is somewhat partnery

There is frustratingly little to go on.

But in conclusion, everyone is town except for Robz who might be mime and Awaclus and DatSwan. Therefore that's the scum team. Let's lynch DatSwan.

i often mass townread people as scum, i guess i do it as town sometimes. i feel as though it's more of a scum thing but i can't remember instances of many people doing it. he's not very re-evaluatey after twm's flip.

I actually think silverspawn is making a whole lot of sense--including about how I've probably been wrong in my approach to this game!

do you remember what you were referring to with this? the only thing i can find is that he calls you a mime, in which case lmao

Sorry.. would possibly have moved to silver, but the site keeps timing out on me!

somewhat obvious weak doc target. sorta seems like something they wouldn't bother mentioning unless it was useful in that way

whether vig should claim if they exist is worth discussion i think. definitely if they shot space / rr but that's a bit obv and unlikely

It's not pure omgus, but IDP is one of my stronger town reads.

i'd agree. what with twm hounding on him eod2, and other stuff

Had to go to work, I put my vote where I wanted it but didn't see any results. And it seems like TWM was town.

Orly?

do you remember why that was interesting?

Like can i still talk if there is a chance i am hung?

excerpted from ds's conversations on tinder

Most suspicious looking people are me and schadd. But I'm not scum, so Vote: schadd.

hm I guess I was wrong.

one would think

Janit

same

Schadd has not yet surfaced. Schadd, will you address the fact that you are obviously scum?

kind of unuseful and frustrating. and it's not like you read people on the basis of how they are when they are frustrated

.

for town i think idptg (the "free nk" thing felt like neither scum nor mime, twm), theorel (wholesome twm push, sensical explanation. i read some game a while ago from more of a while ago where he was town and did those things. i think if he were mime he would... try to be lynched or not nightkilled at all), swan (counterwagon to twm, i guess more of the town content i was looking for - |||, |||; somewhat confirmed not mime since he could have qh'd himself (here i am helping mafia with mimehunting i guess)), joseph (also wholesome twm push i guess. less intense townread.)

so robz silverspawn awaclus are the big candidates.

robz: said "mime" a lot. not really asking people stuff/seeming to develop thoughts. i think he tends to do more of that as town but not starkly. i'm thinking mime a bit more than scum.

silverspawn: sensical weak doctor target, the one TWM think i quoted. also, of the poe'd, makes the most sense to me as planning around getting to endgame; robz and awaclus seem more coasty. i guess awaclus is coasty as whatever alignment. the mass townread thing would make a little bit of sense as a mime thing.

awaclus: marginally scum by spidey sense. i have 0.00 ways to distinguish scum him from mime him, which i think is a common sentiment.

vote: silverspawn

lemme know if i worded something confusingly

[Swowl]

PPE schadd post:

We need the consider that -i believe- the rules state in the set up we are in now, if we lynch mafia then town wins (so if only town and 1 mime remain then we win). Could be wrong but that seems to be what is meant.

Worth noting because if the remaining mime picked up on that (assuming RR wasn’t one) then they would be assumedly trying to :
1) get lynched
2) get Town lynched
3) not get mafia lynched

If i am right - and yeah I’m bringing it up again - i think reverting to a “least likely mime lynch scenario seems like a good idea.

[silverspawn]

uh schadd did you look at how the EoD progressed?

[Awaclus]

PPE schadd post:

We need the consider that -i believe- the rules state in the set up we are in now, if we lynch mafia then town wins (so if only town and 1 mime remain then we win). Could be wrong but that seems to be what is meant.

Worth noting because if the remaining mime picked up on that (assuming RR wasn’t one) then they would be assumedly trying to :
1) get lynched
2) get Town lynched
3) not get mafia lynched

If i am right - and yeah I’m bringing it up again - i think reverting to a “least likely mime lynch scenario seems like a good idea.

Avoiding the mime lynch is important, but we also do need to lynch mafia before the game ends if we want to win.

[theorel]

PPE schadd post:

We need the consider that -i believe- the rules state in the set up we are in now, if we lynch mafia then town wins (so if only town and 1 mime remain then we win). Could be wrong but that seems to be what is meant.

Worth noting because if the remaining mime picked up on that (assuming RR wasn’t one) then they would be assumedly trying to :
1) get lynched
2) get Town lynched
3) not get mafia lynched

If i am right - and yeah I’m bringing it up again - i think reverting to a “least likely mime lynch scenario seems like a good idea.

What that actually means is that mafia is unlikely to want to shoot mime (because mime doesn't want to lynch mafia...).  Of course, if mafia is more confident in their ability to appear townie than appear mime-y, then they may just shoot the mime because the mime could seem unlynchable, which hurts mafia more.

What that does to town priorities is:
1. Lynch Mafia <-we have to do this to win.  Mime is not helping us, and mafia is unlikely to shoot the mime for us until late-game if they can avoid it.
2. Don't lynch the mime <-we have to do this to win.

Assuming mafia nk's town each night, and our other powers don't help...we have 2 lynches left to try to get mafia.

[theorel]

PPE schadd post:

We need the consider that -i believe- the rules state in the set up we are in now, if we lynch mafia then town wins (so if only town and 1 mime remain then we win). Could be wrong but that seems to be what is meant.

Worth noting because if the remaining mime picked up on that (assuming RR wasn’t one) then they would be assumedly trying to :
1) get lynched
2) get Town lynched
3) not get mafia lynched

If i am right - and yeah I’m bringing it up again - i think reverting to a “least likely mime lynch scenario seems like a good idea.

What that actually means is that mafia is unlikely to want to shoot mime (because mime doesn't want to lynch mafia...).  Of course, if mafia is more confident in their ability to appear townie than appear mime-y, then they may just shoot the mime because the mime could seem unlynchable, which hurts mafia more.

What that does to town priorities is:
1. Lynch Mafia <-we have to do this to win.  Mime is not helping us, and mafia is unlikely to shoot the mime for us until late-game if they can avoid it.
2. Don't lynch the mime <-we have to do this to win.

Assuming mafia nk's town each night, and our other powers don't help...we have 2 lynches left to try to get mafia.

Oh, 3 lynches...I treated mime as a mafia at end-game.

[Swowl]

PPE schadd post:

We need the consider that -i believe- the rules state in the set up we are in now, if we lynch mafia then town wins (so if only town and 1 mime remain then we win). Could be wrong but that seems to be what is meant.

Worth noting because if the remaining mime picked up on that (assuming RR wasn’t one) then they would be assumedly trying to :
1) get lynched
2) get Town lynched
3) not get mafia lynched

If i am right - and yeah I’m bringing it up again - i think reverting to a “least likely mime lynch scenario seems like a good idea.

What that actually means is that mafia is unlikely to want to shoot mime (because mime doesn't want to lynch mafia...).  Of course, if mafia is more confident in their ability to appear townie than appear mime-y, then they may just shoot the mime because the mime could seem unlynchable, which hurts mafia more.

What that does to town priorities is:
1. Lynch Mafia <-we have to do this to win.  Mime is not helping us, and mafia is unlikely to shoot the mime for us until late-game if they can avoid it.
2. Don't lynch the mime <-we have to do this to win.

Assuming mafia nk's town each night, and our other powers don't help...we have 2 lynches left to try to get mafia.

agreed. My point was more from a Re read PoV type of thing.

[Swowl]

Quick run-down of people from my perspective, since I'm trying hard not to get behind on this...

Robz: doesn't seem that helpful; especially missing in the early game. A number of his opinions seem to run contrary to mine, which doesn't necessarily mean scum, but does make me wary of even agreeing with him.

Awaclus: is being his usual self.

RR: Middle of the road Roadrunner. Not too worried either way just now.

silver: Being weirdly provocative, but not in an argumentative way, which I feel is in itself odd. Maybe too odd a change in behaviour for him to be actual scum, where he'd want to be more careful. I could still believe mime, maybe.

Theorel: towny, pushing the game along. Not lynching here.

Space: Spaaaaace :-) Just to be clear, I'm not advocating a space-lynch here!

Joseph: Well, the mimes are lucky if he's one of them, because I always want to lynch him. I do think he's non-mime here, because of the slip about the goons, but I'm happy to keep him off the table for the moment.

TWM: I could vote here from omgus, and he's also another player whose thoughts on what we ought to do now run opposite to mine, but actually he posted some pretty reasonable stuff earlier on, so maybe he's not all bad.

schadd: I feel like he's usually more creative and expansive. But then when I re-read, he _has_ been posting commentary and things, it's just all pretty null and not constructive. Maybe he's nullish-scummy?

DatSwan: He's oddly on top of some small bits of setup stuff, but also kind of disengaged. He's a reasonable candidate for someone with a non-town wincon, but I'm not currently sure which way.

IDP: Reads as plain old town to me.

Meh, the existence of mimes makes me really wary of voting, especially after how well I tripped into voting Lekkit in D1.
I think vote: schadd is safer than some of the others, and has a reasonable chance of being scum.

OK so first off if you haven't - go re read Space.
This is a post from her right towards the end of the day. She has two VERY clear "town reads" - Theorel and IDP. She also says "regular RR" and IDK what she means in that sense.
Since she has flipped Weak Doc, I am acting under the assumption she probably Doctored one of these three targets.

I am going to go through and check the other ways of the multi deaths rn, but from what I can tell there are 4 options that hit Weak Doctor, and one of them does not include a Janitor - so only 3 options and it appears that to have 2 deaths here, we had to "do one of them to ourselves".

OK whatever rambling now. I will put something together in a minute.

[Swowl]

OK do not have time to do all of this rn actually:

Easy stuff so far. The 2 players that absolutely could of secured my lynch yesterday were Theorel and Joseph. They didn't. Don't really see how the other Mafia would justify not doing that in that situation so going to say there is no Mafia between those two.

[silverspawn]

OK do not have time to do all of this rn actually:

Easy stuff so far. The 2 players that absolutely could of secured my lynch yesterday were Theorel and Joseph.

and me.

[silverspawn]

So schadd (and anyone else) if you think I am scum you must believe that I just let my partner die for no reason whatsoever. Less reason than even Theorel and Joseph, because I have actually expressed a desire to lynch DatSwan.

That borders on sillyness. Idk what game you're in if you think we're partners.

What the EoD looks like if anything is that both lynches were about equal in out come... vote: DatSwan

[Swowl]

uhm. incorrect.
I was not on TWM.
You, or someone that is not already on TWM (i.e. Joseph or Thoerel), move to me... obviously I move to him to tie it up. Same place we ended just with one vote more on each.

[silverspawn]

Please take 10 seconds to think about what DatSwan just said and realize for yourself that it makes no sense.

[Swowl]

? How does that make no sense. Please respond before someone else does because i would really love to hear your justification.

[Swowl]

Are we just On different pages about the VC?
It’s 3-3. You switch from Awc to me and make it 4-3, then I defend by going TWM to bring 4-4.

Whereas at 3-3 if one of the people on TWM switch to me and make t 4-2, then when i switch it is 4-3 and i still die.

So yeah I’m pretty confident in saying this one “those are the two players that could of individually secured my lynch.”

[silverspawn]

Ok, you were actually present at the deadline. I have absolutely no clue why you left it at a tie if you could have decided otherwise. That's insane as any alignment. Who takes a 50% chance of dying voluntarily?

But it doesn't actually change anything in regards to me or Awaclus or anyone else. I had no idea you were there to cast a balancing vote. I've never seen anyone behave that way.

[Swowl]

I

Ok, you were actually present at the deadline. I have absolutely no clue why you left it at a tie if you could have decided otherwise. That's insane as any alignment. Who takes a 50% chance of dying voluntarily?

But it doesn't actually change anything in regards to me or Awaclus or anyone else. I had no idea you were there to cast a balancing vote. I've never seen anyone behave that way.

I mean i did bit tbf. But also - either take this now, or whatever push for me and when i flip VT re evaluate, i def considered that may be something that i have to deal with - however just assume my asinine  approach from an unbiased perspective for a moment.... if i am as i claim, a stupid person doing something weird as Town, lookat what we learned. HOW, even more than you who as you stated are “clearly fine with lynching me” would either Joseph or Theroel be mafia?
We cleared 2 of the remaining players. Obv having the redacted plus the town pr death at night wasn’t good, but we have *assumedly* 6-1-1 and just cleared 2 of the 8 by our shared logic. If you are Town and i am town (not sure I’m sold on that but whatever just assuming) that’s 50% of the field. So yeah i did something weird. And if i gotta get lynched for it then whatever. But even tomorrow after an assumed no plus my town lynch, we are some variation of *assumedly* 4-1-1.

We should take advantage of the situation at hand and do a claim. I know i know PRs and shit but if we do it i think we can limit down the info pretty well. Just off of last night we lost the Space info and we have to guess whether or not RR was anything.

[theorel]

The_Wine_Merchant (3): theorel, joseph, Space
DatSwan (2): schadd, Robz
Awaclus (1): silverspawn
silver (2): awaclus, DatSwan
IDPTG (2): RR, Wine

Well I guess I have to vote: datswan

I don't know how many times this quote needs repeated...C'mon guys.  TWM moved his vote with 4 minutes left, and had 2 choices who to put up as an alternative to his own.  In precisely 0 worlds does he pick his scum partner securing a guaranteed scum-lynch when he can instead secure a 50% chance of town-lynch.  No way is datswan scum.

The only possible scum players (IMO) are schadd, Robz, silverspawn, awaclus, and IDPTG.

Now, I find it unlikely that TWM voted alongside his partner, because it makes it impossible for his partner to save him.  Clearly, he was also trying to save himself by persuading space to vote for silver.  This makes silver at least a little less likely to be scum (since otherwise TWM would have pushed stronger for datswan maybe?)

That leaves awaclus and IDPTG as the most likely scum.
He was voting for IDPTG before he switched to Datswan...that vote lasted all of 10 minutes...it's not like he was making a viable wagon, he could have been trying to get IDPTG's attention.  Roadrunner was also the nk, which could easily be IDPTG killing the one person that was voting for him yesterday.  I had assumed that vote lasted longer when I was reading earlier.

Um, yeah...that's it.  It's really one of those two.  I lean awaclus, but I could be persuaded that it's IDPTG.  let's please lynch one of them instead of some less-likely-to-be-scum player.

[Swowl]

So schadd (and anyone else) if you think I am scum you must believe that I just let my partner die for no reason whatsoever. Less reason than even Theorel and Joseph, because I have actually expressed a desire to lynch DatSwan.

That borders on sillyness. Idk what game you're in if you think we're partners.

What the EoD looks like if anything is that both lynches were about equal in out come... vote: DatSwan

Also this is strange. Bc partner or not you are suggesting that people should NOT consider you skum (mafia, whatever) based on the fact that you did not  switch to me from a third party, and then you open the day with voting me? I just don’t get it - in your mindset you could of had me yesterday. At the time of this vote you clearly didn’t think i was at board for end of day yesterday. So like what? You liked the TWM case over me? - but you didn’t secure TWM lynch
Or you liked me over him but didn’t secure my lynch.
Or neither i guess.

I mean again i don’t think this is gonna carry a lot of weight right now but i am assuming i am today’s lynch - so as much as it pains me to admit I was probably wrong , someone at least remember how this we t down... bc SS overanyone had the easiest out to switch to me and did not do it.

They are probably not mafia.

[Swowl]

Thought - weak thought but thought - IDP nolynch vote could of been solid attempted defense for TWM. Doesn’t put him on either wagon and can prettttyyy safely assume one isn’t gonna get rolling on him

[IDontPlayThisGame]

Thought - weak thought but thought - IDP nolynch vote could of been solid attempted defense for TWM. Doesn’t put him on either wagon and can prettttyyy safely assume one isn’t gonna get rolling on him

Ah yes. Because I leave it as a No Lynch vote instead of voting you and saving my partner. Unless you're also my partner in which case I leave it as a 50-50 so I can use this defense, but then we'd have 3 scum or 3 mimes and that's just not this game.

[Swowl]

Thought - weak thought but thought - IDP nolynch vote could of been solid attempted defense for TWM. Doesn’t put him on either wagon and can prettttyyy safely assume one isn’t gonna get rolling on him

Ah yes. Because I leave it as a No Lynch vote instead of voting you and saving my partner. Unless you're also my partner in which case I leave it as a 50-50 so I can use this defense, but then we'd have 3 scum or 3 mimes and that's just not this game.

I said "weak thought". Also, you wanna like weigh in?

[Swowl]

other than to you know make a weak defense to my weak thought. or anything. helpful. at all.

[silverspawn]

I don't know how many times this quote needs repeated...C'mon guys.  TWM moved his vote with 4 minutes left, and had 2 choices who to put up as an alternative to his own.  In precisely 0 worlds does he pick his scum partner securing a guaranteed scum-lynch when he can instead secure a 50% chance of town-lynch.  No way is datswan scum.

The only possible scum players (IMO) are schadd, Robz, silverspawn, awaclus, and IDPTG.

Now, I find it unlikely that TWM voted alongside his partner, because it makes it impossible for his partner to save him.  Clearly, he was also trying to save himself by persuading space to vote for silver.  This makes silver at least a little less likely to be scum (since otherwise TWM would have pushed stronger for datswan maybe?)

That leaves awaclus and IDPTG as the most likely scum.
He was voting for IDPTG before he switched to Datswan...that vote lasted all of 10 minutes...it's not like he was making a viable wagon, he could have been trying to get IDPTG's attention.  Roadrunner was also the nk, which could easily be IDPTG killing the one person that was voting for him yesterday.  I had assumed that vote lasted longer when I was reading earlier.

Um, yeah...that's it.  It's really one of those two.  I lean awaclus, but I could be persuaded that it's IDPTG.  let's please lynch one of them instead of some less-likely-to-be-scum player.

Thanks. You're right.
unvote

[silverspawn]

Also this is strange. Bc partner or not you are suggesting that people should NOT consider you skum (mafia, whatever) based on the fact that you did not  switch to me from a third party, and then you open the day with voting me? I just don’t get it - in your mindset you could of had me yesterday.

Just didn't pay enough attention

[silverspawn]

Reread TWM... not much to analyze there.

I'd like to vote for Awaclus but EoD says otherwise.

vote: schadd then. He's the only one left who was actually voting for the opposing wagon.

[Swowl]

Reread TWM... not much to analyze there.

I'd like to vote for Awaclus but EoD says otherwise.

vote: schadd then. He's the only one left who was actually voting for the opposing wagon.

Re read space

[Swowl]

Reread TWM... not much to analyze there.

I'd like to vote for Awaclus but EoD says otherwise.

vote: schadd then. He's the only one left who was actually voting for the opposing wagon.

Re read space

Also don’t want that to be taken out of context. Nothing wrong with a schadd vote but on the topic of reads... i recommend space

[theorel]

Reread TWM... not much to analyze there.

I'd like to vote for Awaclus but EoD says otherwise.

vote: schadd then. He's the only one left who was actually voting for the opposing wagon.

Why does EoD say otherwise?

Just answer this one question: why did TWM vote for datswan (instead of you) if schadd is partner?
The ONLY REASON schadd couldn't join TWM's vote to save him is because TWM chose to vote for DatSwan.

The reason that awaclus couldn't join him, is because he changed his vote with 4 minutes left, and awaclus wasn't around in that 4-minute window.  Now, given that no one was evidently around except space (no one else was posting), it's completely reasonable that his partner simply couldn't save him.  But it's still UNREASONABLE that TWM would set it up so that his partner couldn't save him (unless he knew ahead of time that his partner wasn't going to be around).
But in that case it makes just as much (or more) sense for him to vote away from his partner rather than alongside his partner.

What is the EoD argument against schadd, that includes TWM's CHOICE to vote for Datswan?

[Robz888]

Schadd asked me what said silverspawn did to prompt me to say he was making sense. There was this, and then his several posts calling town on various players and giving opinions... in a very townie way, I think.

Thoughts:

schadd is making sense. I have never seen this before. Probably town.
Everyone is assuming mime is playing obviously (suspecting Joseph / Robz). A good mime would play in such a way that it doesn't look like she's a mime. I know this argument always applies and also applies for mafia, but nonetheless, I feel like we're assuming a lower standard there. If I was a mime, I would probably either play a really lazy game or something really weird, but not ostensibly anti town like Joseph and Robz are. I think they are both non-mime and might be scum, particularly Joseph.

Joseph claimed SK last game, was unhelpful, got lynched Day 1, it was bad for town.

Well that doesn't help.

This is what I'm mostly talking about. This assumes Mime's have a really superficial way of approaching the game

So if we lynch them both then they win on that. However, if we lynch one and the other dies to an NK they do not win (I think that is correct).

Thing is, if you are a Mime... why would you claim mime? If you want to get lynched an not NKed... just doesn't really make any sense. I mean even if you draw the attention during the day to yourself, then there is the whole night meta.. if you get killed then your team loses on the spot. You will be targeted by Mafia most likely and it will put a weird spin on Town where we have to decide what to do. I feel as if the much better strategy would of been to act as "Mafia-y" as possible if the goal was to be lynched.

If you are Town... why would you claim mime? I can only assume if you are VT then to proc PRs and help to gain information down the road. I suppose it puts mimes in a spot where they cannot really claim, however why would you want to.

If you are Mafia... why would you claim mime? Well, it makes it unlikely that you will be lynched. It also means that the Mimes will know you are lying obv, but since your team would control the NK you don't have to worry about being shot at night.


Further fun note: Considering that the mimes can only protect one of themselves at night, we can absolutely assume that one of the mime claims is a lie (since they cannot target themselves). So if one of them claimed, the other one could just proc them each night or hope they get get lynched I guess. But if both claim then how do they determine who skum would aim at at night? Just from a rational point, all likelihood aside, I just don't see how both mimes could possibly claim and find an upside in it.

I will finish reading tonight and get more to this later.

[schadd]

uh schadd did you look at how the EoD progressed?

i did thanks for asking

OK so first off if you haven't - go re read Space.
This is a post from her right towards the end of the day. She has two VERY clear "town reads" - Theorel and IDP. She also says "regular RR" and IDK what she means in that sense.
Since she has flipped Weak Doc, I am acting under the assumption she probably Doctored one of these three targets.

I am going to go through and check the other ways of the multi deaths rn, but from what I can tell there are 4 options that hit Weak Doctor, and one of them does not include a Janitor - so only 3 options and it appears that to have 2 deaths here, we had to "do one of them to ourselves".

OK whatever rambling now. I will put something together in a minute.

i guess i entirely forgot they might have been trying to doctor somebody and not weak somebody

but i think it's unlikely they targeted theorel or idp (theorel would be the most obvious doc target) since       they are probably town

i think it's unpossible they targeted me

and one way or another i think having a scum lynch shifts the focus from trying to earn mislynches (i.e. doc correctly) to trying to scumhunt (i.e. weak correctly) (since each lynch is in theory equally likely to hit jester as scum) (if i'm trying to imagine space's thought process at least)

Schadd asked me what said silverspawn did to prompt me to say he was making sense. There was this, and then his several posts calling town on various players and giving opinions... in a very townie way, I think.

oh excuse me i meant to ask, where did he say you had been wrong in your approach to the game

[Robz888]

Assuming mime play would be so obvious.

[Swowl]

Assuming mime play would be so obvious.

Can you say like one thing that does t make people think your a mime?

[Robz888]

Assuming mime play would be so obvious.

Can you say like one thing that does t make people think your a mime?

Apparently not!

[faust]

Vote Count 3.1

Awaclus (1): theorel
schadd (3): Robz888, Awaclus, silverspawn
silverspawn (1): schadd

Not Voting (3): Joseph2302, DatSwan, IDontPlayThisGame

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 3 ends Feb 12 at 4:30 am forum time.

[Joseph2302]

So schadd is on L-2. Will reread when I have time (still on holiday)

Vote: Joseph2302 for now

[Swowl]

I think I am good with a vote: Awaclus for rn.

[Swowl]

Thoughts on me switching to schadd to clear him as mime?

[schadd]

 

[schadd]

actually now that i look at it i think it's unlikely awaclus is mafia

note that any person you think is the second mafia needs to be, within reason, somebody space could have chosen to target

cursorily i can find exactly one time they mention awaclus, without mentioning a read

there's nothing implicit that i can really see (awaclus isn't, like, objectively scummy by eod2, i guess there is a bit of a meta thing where people would want to cop awaclus but i also don't see space as relying on that to be clear)

awaclus doesn't get nk'd exceptionally often so i don't see them targeting him for doctor reasons (and they'd still be thinking of the case where he's scum anyway)

do u disagree mr swan?

[schadd]

is he mime? one wonders.

it's not unlikely! i would say.

[Swowl]

actually now that i look at it i think it's unlikely awaclus is mafia

note that any person you think is the second mafia needs to be, within reason, somebody space could have chosen to target

cursorily i can find exactly one time they mention awaclus, without mentioning a read

there's nothing implicit that i can really see (awaclus isn't, like, objectively scummy by eod2, i guess there is a bit of a meta thing where people would want to cop awaclus but i also don't see space as relying on that to be clear)

awaclus doesn't get nk'd exceptionally often so i don't see them targeting him for doctor reasons (and they'd still be thinking of the case where he's scum anyway)

do u disagree mr swan?

I don’t disagree but like when is he ever objectively anything?
Also it doesn’t matter because i think the least likely person in any game to get doctored would be awaclus.

All that being said - if you are mime then gg.

vote:schadd


On the other hand - i have the chance to clear you as mime, and as participation is extremely low in the game and DL is like tomorrow

[schadd]

hey whaddup

[schadd]

i mean... if he's never objectively anything... then you don't target him with an investigative thing that relies on people to make an assumption when it works

[Robz888]

So schadd is not mime. He IS mafia though.

[Joseph2302]

So schadd is not mime. He IS mafia though.

I'm leaning towards agreeing.
Just back from holiday, so will reread ASAP. But likely I'll be supportive of schadd lynch

[Joseph2302]

Request: Vote count

[schadd]

current theory for robz is mime who is ambivalent about me being town but wants to cash in the scumcred for mislynch if i am

in my experience when he is town or mafia he's usually like whoooOOOaaaAA,,,, schadd,,,, so confuuUUuuusing,,,,,,, ,i always, ,,  ,,,misreeEeead him,,,, but AUGGGHHUGHGH,,,,,,,,, i think he's scum,,,,,, [faints]

still think silver is most likely weak doc target? which no one seems to be trying to iron out on this night-oriented website for some reason

[silverspawn]

don't we know schadd isn't a mime because he'd have self-hammered by now?

[silverspawn]

I literally have no idea why anyone thinks I'm a more likely WV target than anyone else.

[schadd]

I literally have no idea why anyone thinks I'm a more likely WV target than anyone else.

hey what's up! it's me that thinks that and it's because of post number 407!

[faust]

Vote Count 3.2

Awaclus (1): theorel
schadd (4): Robz888, Awaclus, silverspawn, DatSwan
silverspawn (1): schadd
Joseph2302 (1): Joseph2302

Not Voting (1): IDontPlayThisGame

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch. Day 3 ends Feb 12 at 4:30 am forum time.

That is in 14 hours.

[silverspawn]

I still have no idea why you think it. They said they consider voting for me... and?

If you want to breadcrumb your target, you do it differently. You use the word 'visit,'  or else make a remark that in retrospect clearly served that purpose.

I mean, I'm really not good at reading breadcrumbs, but I'm pretty sure this isn't one.

[Robz888]

I literally have no idea why anyone thinks I'm a more likely WV target than anyone else.

hey what's up! it's me that thinks that and it's because of post number 407!

Yeah, that should not be totally forgotten. I am interested in silver next if schadd is not mafia.

[silverspawn]

I literally have no idea why anyone thinks I'm a more likely WV target than anyone else.

hey what's up! it's me that thinks that and it's because of post number 407!

Yeah, that should not be totally forgotten. I am interested in silver next if schadd is not mafia.

I believe you, given that if we lynch mafia, you lose the game.

[schadd]

I still have no idea why you think it. They said they consider voting for me... and?

If you want to breadcrumb your target, you do it differently. You use the word 'visit,'  or else make a remark that in retrospect clearly served that purpose.

I mean, I'm really not good at reading breadcrumbs, but I'm pretty sure this isn't one.

i don't especially think it's a breadcrumb - it's something they could have easily just said to like, communicate - but it's the closest and most obvious thing to me

weak doctor is useless as an investigative unless people can figure out post-hoc who the person targeted; space knows this and would choose to visit someone they voiced scumread of most recently

if you think they didn't intend to target someone intending to die, you should be scumreading idptg or maybe theorel.

I literally have no idea why anyone thinks I'm a more likely WV target than anyone else.

hey what's up! it's me that thinks that and it's because of post number 407!

Yeah, that should not be totally forgotten. I am interested in silver next if schadd is not mafia.

wasn't i like definitely mafia though?

[Joseph2302]

don't we know schadd isn't a mime because he'd have self-hammered by now?

Yes we do, it's a forced win if he were a mime at L-1

[schadd]

maybe like a request prod on theorel and idptg for these last 11 intimate hours

[silverspawn]

I mean, based on that we should probably lynch anyone who is put at L-1 given that knowing they're not a mime is such a big advantage. And consequently treat L-2 as L-1.

Although it seems pretty obvious that it's Robz... unless he is being mimey on purpose to not be lynched.

[Robz888]

I mean, based on that we should probably lynch anyone who is put at L-1 given that knowing they're not a mime is such a big advantage. And consequently treat L-2 as L-1.

Although it seems pretty obvious that it's Robz... unless he is being mimey on purpose to not be lynched.

I am not a mime. We know it's not schadd, and also he's real likely to be mafia because he didn't vote for TWM, so we should definitely lynch him.

[IDontPlayThisGame]

I kind of like vote: silverspawn.

[Swowl]

I kind of like vote: silverspawn.

Why?
You didn’t yesterday. Schadd is certainly more skummy for actions between your no lynch vote and now.

[schadd]

I AINT

[Swowl]

Everyone this is fucking nonsense.
IDP your line makes no sense. We have x hours and have confirmed no mime on schadd. If you are trying to do something fancy as Town like switching to the guy schadd is on and yards yadda just stop. Votes without effort are meaningless and there is no effort this game from anyone so let’s just do the confirmed not mime and take it from ducking there

[schadd]

oooOOooo what if i aaAAamm a mime and i'm just fuuUUuucking with youuu

[IDontPlayThisGame]

oooOOooo what if i aaAAamm a mime and i'm just fuuUUuucking with youuu

That would be hilarious.

Everyone this is fucking nonsense.
IDP your line makes no sense. We have x hours and have confirmed no mime on schadd. If you are trying to do something fancy as Town like switching to the guy schadd is on and yards yadda just stop. Votes without effort are meaningless and there is no effort this game from anyone so let’s just do the confirmed not mime and take it from ducking there

I'm considering this.

[Swowl]

the sky is blue
Ground is dirt

Unicorns are magical or something?

I mean i don’t get it are we playing a trivia game where the idea is to be up 6-2 no not try to be helpful? Why did you all sign up for this?

[schadd]

i mean lynching me isn't helpful. i haven't seen reasoning from you beyond the fact that i'm not mime (which you were for some reason confident about a while ago) and that apparently i've been scummy since february 2nd?

[schadd]

i guess it may be helpful depending on whether it leads to a silverspawn lynch tomorrow which ends up being correct

[faust]

maybe like a request prod on theorel and idptg for these last 11 intimate hours

theorel has been prodded.

[Swowl]

As a Town player off of the Wagon - the L-1 player does not self vote therefor they are not mime. My Wincon is to kill a non mime player. I do not switch to the player. Therefore I am skum.

As a Mafia player off the wagon - the L-1 player does not self vote, therefor they are not the mime. My wincon is to NOT lynch the mime and outlive the Town players. I do not switch to the Town confirmed player. Why would I do this?

As a Mime off the Wagon - The L-1 Player does not self vote, so as known, they are not the mime. My wincon is to get lynched before the mafia player is killed.


TDLR:
Off the wagon people that do not hammer are the lynch pool. 

[Swowl]

postedit: out of context. Schadd is like 99%. this is a hypothetical in case things go astray.

[Swowl]

2 hours until deadline.

[schadd]

As a Town player off of the Wagon - the L-1 player does not self vote therefor they are not mime. My Wincon is to kill a non mime player. I do not switch to the player. Therefore I am skum.

As a Mafia player off the wagon - the L-1 player does not self vote, therefor they are not the mime. My wincon is to NOT lynch the mime and outlive the Town players. I do not switch to the Town confirmed player. Why would I do this?

i don't follow and strongly disagree with your conclusion

Schadd is like 99%.

yikes

[Swowl]

As a Town player off of the Wagon - the L-1 player does not self vote therefor they are not mime. My Wincon is to kill a non mime player. I do not switch to the player. Therefore I am skum.

As a Mafia player off the wagon - the L-1 player does not self vote, therefor they are not the mime. My wincon is to NOT lynch the mime and outlive the Town players. I do not switch to the Town confirmed player. Why would I do this?

i don't follow and strongly disagree with your conclusion

well you are incorrect. not really a matter of opinion on that one.

Schadd is like 99%.

yikes

[schadd]

oic you're saying mafia as of earlier today knows i'm town and doesn't want to be on wagon

as we learned in this day 3 we learned that you can apparently manipulate vca by saying "schadd is scummy" early and then having three people sit on the wagon unsubstantially for the better part of a week?

the thing you're thinking of is called white knighting, and often is accompanied by, like, attempting to defend or gain the favor of the lynched person at all. if you suppose that joseph / theorel / idptg are trying to earn towncred by being off wagon, everything that happened is pretty much entirely transparent and no one would really buy that

[Swowl]

the thing I am doing is called "oh shit what if he actually flips town". in which case i stand by my statement.

Scenario 1) your town (see above)
Scenario 2) your mafia (game ends and we win)
Scenario 3) your mime (you are not the mime)

[Swowl]

oic you're saying mafia as of earlier today knows i'm town and doesn't want to be on wagon

as we learned in this day 3 we learned that you can apparently manipulate vca by saying "schadd is scummy" early and then having three people sit on the wagon unsubstantially for the better part of a week?

the thing you're thinking of is called white knighting, and often is accompanied by, like, attempting to defend or gain the favor of the lynched person at all. if you suppose that joseph / theorel / idptg are trying to earn towncred by being off wagon, everything that happened is pretty much entirely transparent and no one would really buy that

also I don;t think the three you mentioned are trying to earn town cred at all. I just think it makes them less skummy.

[Awaclus]

Not voting for schadd seems a lot like you don't want the game to end just yet.

[Swowl]

Not voting for schadd seems a lot like you don't want the game to end just yet.

read first

[schadd]

oic you're saying mafia as of earlier today knows i'm town and doesn't want to be on wagon

as we learned in this day 3 we learned that you can apparently manipulate vca by saying "schadd is scummy" early and then having three people sit on the wagon unsubstantially for the better part of a week?

the thing you're thinking of is called white knighting, and often is accompanied by, like, attempting to defend or gain the favor of the lynched person at all. if you suppose that joseph / theorel / idptg are trying to earn towncred by being off wagon, everything that happened is pretty much entirely transparent and no one would really buy that

also I don;t think the three you mentioned are trying to earn town cred at all. I just think it makes them less skummy.

i mean i consider those to be the same and i'm saying it doesn't do that at all since it is public knowledge that scum currently knows i'm town and that you don't even need majority so them being off wagon is irrelevant

do you think that you would be less inclined to townread idptg joseph or theorel based on them not being next to my name in the final vc? do you think anyone else would?

[Swowl]

oic you're saying mafia as of earlier today knows i'm town and doesn't want to be on wagon

as we learned in this day 3 we learned that you can apparently manipulate vca by saying "schadd is scummy" early and then having three people sit on the wagon unsubstantially for the better part of a week?

the thing you're thinking of is called white knighting, and often is accompanied by, like, attempting to defend or gain the favor of the lynched person at all. if you suppose that joseph / theorel / idptg are trying to earn towncred by being off wagon, everything that happened is pretty much entirely transparent and no one would really buy that

also I don;t think the three you mentioned are trying to earn town cred at all. I just think it makes them less skummy.

i mean i consider those to be the same and i'm saying it doesn't do that at all since it is public knowledge that scum currently knows i'm town and that you don't even need majority so them being off wagon is irrelevant

do you think that you would be less inclined to townread idptg joseph or theorel based on them not being next to my name in the final vc? do you think anyone else would?

I think that when you put together the Venn diagram, it removed them from the lynch pool yeah.

Also you are posting but you appear offline.

[schadd]

the thing i don't understand from any perspective at all is how 3 people (i.e. >=1 town) are like confident out of their minds that i'm mafia lmao

catch me in postgame ya jabronis

[Swowl]

the thing i don't understand from any perspective at all is how 3 people (i.e. >=1 town) are like confident out of their minds that i'm mafia lmao

catch me in postgame ya jabronis

... i mean or it could be "=3 town"...

[schadd]

Also you are posting but you appear offline.

you can turn it off in your profile options somewhere

i did that a while ago

i like it when i can read the thread and not say anything without people knowing i did that

[schadd]

the thing i don't understand from any perspective at all is how 3 people (i.e. >=1 town) are like confident out of their minds that i'm mafia lmao

catch me in postgame ya jabronis

... i mean or it could be "=3 town"...

i am familiar with how >=1 works, yes

[Swowl]

the thing i don't understand from any perspective at all is how 3 people (i.e. >=1 town) are like confident out of their minds that i'm mafia lmao

catch me in postgame ya jabronis

... i mean or it could be "=3 town"...

i am familiar with how >=1 works, yes

so you think it is hilarious that at an incorrect maximum (assuming you are town) that one single person believes you are not town?

[schadd]

last mafia for me is like silver > datswan=awaclus > theorel? = robz who is trying to look mime (etc. etc.)

[Swowl]

Also you are posting but you appear offline.

you can turn it off in your profile options somewhere

i did that a while ago

i like it when i can read the thread and not say anything without people knowing i did that

fun fact. ty

[schadd]

the thing i don't understand from any perspective at all is how 3 people (i.e. >=1 town) are like confident out of their minds that i'm mafia lmao

catch me in postgame ya jabronis

... i mean or it could be "=3 town"...

i am familiar with how >=1 works, yes

so you think it is hilarious that at an incorrect maximum (assuming you are town) that one single person believes you are not town?

i mean you gave the 99% figure and it is not considerably unlikely you are town which is itself a bit frustrating

[schadd]

i should hedge that i am only so confident in the reads (not that i especially expect people to care about them?)

i don't feel that i've scumhunted all that effectively this game, haven't had much especially strong day judgements/questionings of people at all

i hope that there are more than 4 posts tomorrow

[Swowl]

i should hedge that i am only so confident in the reads (not that i especially expect people to care about them?)

i don't feel that i've scumhunted all that effectively this game, haven't had much especially strong day judgements/questionings of people at all

i hope that there are more than 4 posts tomorrow

Don't feel bad. Literally everyone other than theorel sucked this game.

[Swowl]

i should hedge that i am only so confident in the reads (not that i especially expect people to care about them?)

i don't feel that i've scumhunted all that effectively this game, haven't had much especially strong day judgements/questionings of people at all

i hope that there are more than 4 posts tomorrow

http://wwwcdn.impact-books.com/wp-content/uploads/giphy-9.gif

[Joseph2302]

Vote: schadd

[Joseph2302]

I believe that was hammer. But might have been after deadline, as the forum time/my local time/time being shown on my forum profile are messed up, as I was abroad.

[schadd]

i should hedge that i am only so confident in the reads (not that i especially expect people to care about them?)

i don't feel that i've scumhunted all that effectively this game, haven't had much especially strong day judgements/questionings of people at all

i hope that there are more than 4 posts tomorrow

http://wwwcdn.impact-books.com/wp-content/uploads/giphy-9.gif

yes i've played plenty of games

game is still ongoing 

[Swowl]

oooo thats neat the mime is taking a gambooollllll

[schadd]

I believe that was hammer. But might have been after deadline, as the forum time/my local time/time being shown on my forum profile are messed up, as I was abroad.

deadline is in 30 min ish


majority isn't necessary lynch anyway

[Joseph2302]

Schadd isn't mime, and the only thing people have said this day is that he's scum

PPE: 2

[Swowl]

Schadd isn't mime, and the only thing people have said this day is that he's scum

PPE: 2

I
was
talking
about
you

[Swowl]

Schadd isn't mime, and the only thing people have said this day is that he's scum

PPE: 2

I
was
talking
about
you

I tried to write it like a hiku and then remembered idk wtf a hiku is

[Joseph2302]

oooo thats neat the mime is taking a gambooollllll

I'm not the mime

[faust]

Day 3 Final Vote Count

Awaclus (1): theorel
schadd (5): Robz888, Awaclus, silverspawn, DatSwan, Joseph2302
silverspawn (2): schadd, IDontPlayThisGame

Not Voting (0)

With 8 alive, it took 5 to lynch.

[faust]

schadd has been lynched! They were a Vanilla Resident of Stars Hollow!

Night 3 starts now and lasts about 48 hours. Night action deadline is tomorrow, Feb 13, at 4 pm forum time.

THREAD LOCKED!

[faust]

A new Day begins. Something something. You know, flavor. This morning, the sky is blue and perfect and everyone is eager to catch some scum.

theorel has died! They were a Vanilla Resident of Stars Hollow.

Vote Count 4.0

Not Voting (6): Robz888, Awaclus, silverspawn, DatSwan, Joseph2302, IDontPlayThisGame

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day 4 ends February 21 at 2:30 am forum time.

[Awaclus]

theorel is an interesting NK.

[Swowl]

theorel is an interesting NK.

? pretty clear cut right?
Everyone who speaks made it pretty clear he was off a lynch list. If you are skum and win condition is to outlast all then why not start offing the unlychables?

[Swowl]

Real Question:
If you were the mime at this point would your of used your JK last night?

[Swowl]

annnndddd bringing it up for a third time. we should address the idea of a claim.

[Swowl]

theorel is an interesting NK.

Assuming you are not skum, if you were, who would of you shot?

[Awaclus]

theorel is an interesting NK.

Assuming you are not skum, if you were, who would of you shot?

Someone more active.

[Swowl]

vote: awaclus

[Joseph2302]

So theorel schadd and IDPTG were the only people off wagon.
And the first two of those are flipped town. Makes me think IDPTG is kind of towny for that too

[Joseph2302]

vote: awaclus

Quick vote there.....
It's not a great time to be rushing into things

[Awaclus]

vote: awaclus

What? Theorel wasn't very active.

[Robz888]

Well I feel a little obligated to lynch silverspawn here.

[silverspawn]

You're the mime, so I take that as a townread.

[Awaclus]

Vote: DatSwan

[Swowl]

Well I feel a little obligated to lynch silverspawn here.

Why?

[Swowl]

So theorel schadd and IDPTG were the only people off wagon.
And the first two of those are flipped town. Makes me think IDPTG is kind of towny for that too

His situation was slightly different but do you have a point I guess

[Robz888]

Well I feel a little obligated to lynch silverspawn here.

Why?

Schadd's argument that Space was signaling an intention to weak doc silverspawn, which killed Space.

[Swowl]

Well I feel a little obligated to lynch silverspawn here.

Why?

Schadd's argument that Space was signaling an intention to weak doc silverspawn, which killed Space.

I am contradicting the entirety of my D1 attacks here, but just so it could be said... also he could of been Mime Miller.

[Swowl]

Well I feel a little obligated to lynch silverspawn here.

Why?

Schadd's argument that Space was signaling an intention to weak doc silverspawn, which killed Space.

I am contradicting the entirety of my D1 attacks here, but just so it could be said... also he could of been Mime Miller.

*could be*

[Robz888]

Yes, that's a valid concern.

[Robz888]

So maybe we shouldn't lynch him, but a town vig should definitely shoot him.

[Swowl]

So maybe we shouldn't lynch him, but a town vig should definitely shoot him.

I think he actually could be the town vig to the same point lol

[Robz888]

So maybe we shouldn't lynch him, but a town vig should definitely shoot him.

I think he actually could be the town vig to the same point lol

What?

[Swowl]

So maybe we shouldn't lynch him, but a town vig should definitely shoot him.

I think he actually could be the town vig to the same point lol

What?

weak doc targets vig is another wd death if I remember correctly

[Swowl]

yeah - quote from setup:

"- the Weak Doctor dies when targeting a Mafia-aligned player or the 1-shot Vigilante. Their target is still protected in this case.
- the Mime Miller investigates as Mafia to the Odd-Night Mafia Cop, and will kill the Weak Doctor if targeted. Mimes may decide during N0 which of them should be the Miller."

[Robz888]

yeah - quote from setup:

"- the Weak Doctor dies when targeting a Mafia-aligned player or the 1-shot Vigilante. Their target is still protected in this case.
- the Mime Miller investigates as Mafia to the Odd-Night Mafia Cop, and will kill the Weak Doctor if targeted. Mimes may decide during N0 which of them should be the Miller."

Right. Of course.

Some kind of massclaim probably isn't totally insane at this point.

[Awaclus]

What do we really expect to get out of the mass claim? If there's a counterclaim, we won't know whether that's a mime trying to get lynched or mafia trying to look like a mime.

[Swowl]

This is me attempting to narrow down the lynch field. Turns out is was a waste of time, because the two people I wanted to lynch anyways ended up being the two I came to at the end:

Day 1:

Day 1 Final Vote Count

theorel (4): Roadrunner7671, Awaclus, silverspawn, The_Wine_Merchant
SpaceAnemone (1): IDontPlayThisGame
Lekkit (7): schadd, SpaceAnemone, Robz888, theorel, Joseph2302, DatSwan, Lekkit

Not Voting (0)

With 12 alive, it took 7 to lynch.

OK so following the original logic, it would be unlikely that Mafia is on Lekkit at this point imo. 2 clear wagons. Everyone was in essential agreement by this point that Therol either had to be town or Mafia... obviously if you ARE Mafia at this time the only thing you are concerned with is not lynching a mime, so I assume not on Lekkit.
So on the Lekkit list are (3) VTs, (1) WD, (2) UNK, and himself. The 2 UNK are Robz and Joseph.
And on the Theorel list there are (1) Mafia, (1) Redacted, and (2) UNK. The 2 UNK are SS and Awaclus.
The only remaining player left is IDPTG who is rando camping on Space (confirmed town).

My thoughts at this point in the game here are:
Mime Candidates = Robz and Joseph
Mafia Candidates = SS and Awaclus


Then of course N1 is no death and we can sit around and try to deduce that out but with no info its not worth the possibility list.

Then there is how D2 ended:

Day 2 Final Vote Count

The_Wine_Merchant (3): theorel, Joseph2302, SpaceAnemone
DatSwan (3): schadd, Robz888, The_Wine_Merchant
silverspawn (2): Awaclus, DatSwan
Awaclus (1): silverspawn
No Lynch (1): IDontPlayThisGame
IDontPlayThisGame (1): Roadrunner7671

Not Voting (0)

With 11 alive, it took 6 to lynch.

TWM had (2) Town and (1) UNK.
Swan had (1) UNK, (1) Mafia, (1) Town.


- that it makes Joseph look like not Mafia because why would he hang his only partner out to dry.
- makes Robz either a lucky placed Mime or skummy-ish
- And then most interestingly there is this, which I did not think of before.
I am on SS. TWM claims "oh well I guess I HAVE TO switch to Swan for self prez". This is like.. way off. He switches to me to tie it and then I switch to him to make it 4-3. This obviously isn't how it happened but given his speech during twilight I think it is quite clear he knew. Here is the thing... HE COULD OF VOTED FOR SS and been in literally the exact same situation. Did he find me more skummy then SS? Maybe, maybe that is why he did it... but also there is that other reason. Just wanted to throw that one out there.

Regardless, at the end of the day based on what we know now our "perspective mimes" from D1 pretty much sit the same (Robz and Joseph) with a slight skummy lean on robz and towny lean on Joseph. And it makes our Mafia D1 candidates (SS and Awaclus) look weird. Awaclus looks towny for not switching to me. I suppose Silver also looks towny for not switching to me, but also there is TWM choice of me over SS.

And then of course there is IDP break dancing in the corner. You go Glenn CoCo.


Night 3 is interesting: RR at #378 lists his lynchable list as Awaclus, SS, TWM, and IDP. He then also is the only person to react with "why did you claim???" to my VT claim at the eod. Then he was redacted and killed. just whatever - something I overlooked at first. If this is correct then the next most plain explanation is that Space doctored someone that killed her.


Day 3:

Day 3 Final Vote Count

Awaclus (1): theorel
schadd (5): Robz888, Awaclus, silverspawn, DatSwan, Joseph2302
silverspawn (2): schadd, IDontPlayThisGame

Not Voting (0)

With 8 alive, it took 5 to lynch.

- This is where we left off, which from my approach means there is not too much to learn. I keep trying to find something from the IDP vote that could deduce something but I am coming up blank.


TDLR;

Awaclus and SS are my preferred (slight hedge on Awaclus)

IDPTG on the radar

Don't think there is a world where I am lynching Joseph or Robz. But feel free to throw some wrenches into it because that's all I got

[Awaclus]

OK so following the original logic, it would be unlikely that Mafia is on Lekkit at this point imo. 2 clear wagons. Everyone was in essential agreement by this point that Therol either had to be town or Mafia... obviously if you ARE Mafia at this time the only thing you are concerned with is not lynching a mime, so I assume not on Lekkit.

So that's why you have a scumread on me?

I didn't know Lekkit was a mime. Given that he got lynched by the majority of people, doesn't seem very reasonable to expect me to know that.

[silverspawn]

Your day 1 analysis assumes that mafia knows who the mimes are. I don't think that's the case.

[Swowl]

Your day 1 analysis assumes that mafia knows who the mimes are. I don't think that's the case.

I could of worded it better:
My analysis is assuming everyone except the mikes do not know who the mikes are. Mafia does have the added benefit of knowing who mafia is. Theroel seemed much less likely to be he mime and the skummy nature of lekkit and his lurking would be know To mafia to be (if skum) not mafia.

[Awaclus]

Your day 1 analysis assumes that mafia knows who the mimes are. I don't think that's the case.

I could of worded it better:
My analysis is assuming everyone except the mikes do not know who the mikes are. Mafia does have the added benefit of knowing who mafia is. Theroel seemed much less likely to be he mime and the skummy nature of lekkit and his lurking would be know To mafia to be (if skum) not mafia.

I don't think Lekkit was particularly scummy.

[silverspawn]

well it's not me so vote: Awaclus

[faust]

Vote Count 4.1

Awaclus (2): DatSwan, silverspawn
DatSwan (1): Awaclus

Not Voting (3): Robz888, Joseph2302, IDontPlayThisGame

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day 4 ends February 21 at 2:30 am forum time.

[Awaclus]

well it's not me so vote: Awaclus

But it's not me either.

[Robz888]

I'm completely lost. I should really  re-read.

[Swowl]

Could someone - you know just for the sake of trying to win - try to come up with a case for someone else? Idk if i am just tunneled or what but these are the only options i am seeing.

[Awaclus]

Could someone - you know just for the sake of trying to win - try to come up with a case for someone else? Idk if i am just tunneled or what but these are the only options i am seeing.

I mean, I'm voting for you.

[Swowl]

Could someone - you know just for the sake of trying to win - try to come up with a case for someone else? Idk if i am just tunneled or what but these are the only options i am seeing.

I mean, I'm voting for you.

I mean I doubt it will end in me voting for myself... but if you wanna share your case I am not going to try and stop you.

[Awaclus]

Could someone - you know just for the sake of trying to win - try to come up with a case for someone else? Idk if i am just tunneled or what but these are the only options i am seeing.

I mean, I'm voting for you.

I mean I doubt it will end in me voting for myself... but if you wanna share your case I am not going to try and stop you.

I don't really want to share it. Do you want to share why I shouldn't have a case on you?

[Swowl]

Could someone - you know just for the sake of trying to win - try to come up with a case for someone else? Idk if i am just tunneled or what but these are the only options i am seeing.

I mean, I'm voting for you.

I mean I doubt it will end in me voting for myself... but if you wanna share your case I am not going to try and stop you.

I don't really want to share it. Do you want to share why I shouldn't have a case on you?

Because I am Town. I mean I don't really wanna go through and do every bit piece of everything so if you come up with something lmk because sure as heck got nothing else to do this game.

Main point would be that end of day 2 TWM voted for me to make it 3-3 flip when he could of voted for SS instead (still making it 3-3, just not with me). Seems like a specific point, but it is oddly large and important. If I am his partner, why would he risk flipping with me instead of flipping with SS?

[Swowl]

huh.... actually just think I stumbled on something. love our little talks.

unvote

[Swowl]

OK someone find the fault in this logic, as I am sure it is there somewhere. Both points are regarding when we lynched skum (TWM at end of day 2):

The time in which I am finding specifically interesting is starting this post:

The_Wine_Merchant (3): theorel, joseph, Space
DatSwan (2): schadd, Robz
Awaclus (1): silverspawn
silver (2): awaclus, DatSwan
IDPTG (2): RR, Wine

Well I guess I have to vote: datswan

He said that he HAS to vote for me. Not true as SS also had 2 votes on them. Normally the argument could be made that my vote would not matter as it had to of been on TWM by now, but actually this wasn't the case. He could of gone SS just the same as he went for me and been in the exact same situation. Skum had to of assumed either TWM would grow over me (for reasons like - I wasn't voting him yet) or decide to go for a slip. Think about it. How skummy does TWM voting for me, then partner moves to me, then (assumingly) I move to TWM to tie it. They both would look horrible in that construct and we are still flipping! If it flips TWM then same spot except "hey thats weird that other guy also jumped over last minute" and if it flips me the lynch pool for the next day would be EXACTLY those 2 players.


Only other point I have is that the thing that is the simplest explanation is that his partner did not save him because they couldn't (meaning they were already on me). So that would be Robz. The only thing I can say on top of that is that as suspicious as everyone has been of him as the mime this game... it is odd he hasn't been shot yet.

[Joseph2302]

I'm completely lost. I should really  re-read.

Ditto I need to do this

[IDontPlayThisGame]

OK someone find the fault in this logic, as I am sure it is there somewhere. Both points are regarding when we lynched skum (TWM at end of day 2):

The time in which I am finding specifically interesting is starting this post:

The_Wine_Merchant (3): theorel, joseph, Space
DatSwan (2): schadd, Robz
Awaclus (1): silverspawn
silver (2): awaclus, DatSwan
IDPTG (2): RR, Wine

Well I guess I have to vote: datswan

He said that he HAS to vote for me. Not true as SS also had 2 votes on them. Normally the argument could be made that my vote would not matter as it had to of been on TWM by now, but actually this wasn't the case. He could of gone SS just the same as he went for me and been in the exact same situation. Skum had to of assumed either TWM would grow over me (for reasons like - I wasn't voting him yet) or decide to go for a slip. Think about it. How skummy does TWM voting for me, then partner moves to me, then (assumingly) I move to TWM to tie it. They both would look horrible in that construct and we are still flipping! If it flips TWM then same spot except "hey thats weird that other guy also jumped over last minute" and if it flips me the lynch pool for the next day would be EXACTLY those 2 players.


Only other point I have is that the thing that is the simplest explanation is that his partner did not save him because they couldn't (meaning they were already on me). So that would be Robz. The only thing I can say on top of that is that as suspicious as everyone has been of him as the mime this game... it is odd he hasn't been shot yet.

What's the your point with the first bit?

As for Robz, why would mafia kill mime!Robz rather than try to leave him alone and use his mimeread status to ensure he doesn't get lynched?

[IDontPlayThisGame]

OK someone find the fault in this logic, as I am sure it is there somewhere. Both points are regarding when we lynched skum (TWM at end of day 2):

The time in which I am finding specifically interesting is starting this post:

The_Wine_Merchant (3): theorel, joseph, Space
DatSwan (2): schadd, Robz
Awaclus (1): silverspawn
silver (2): awaclus, DatSwan
IDPTG (2): RR, Wine

Well I guess I have to vote: datswan

He said that he HAS to vote for me. Not true as SS also had 2 votes on them. Normally the argument could be made that my vote would not matter as it had to of been on TWM by now, but actually this wasn't the case. He could of gone SS just the same as he went for me and been in the exact same situation. Skum had to of assumed either TWM would grow over me (for reasons like - I wasn't voting him yet) or decide to go for a slip. Think about it. How skummy does TWM voting for me, then partner moves to me, then (assumingly) I move to TWM to tie it. They both would look horrible in that construct and we are still flipping! If it flips TWM then same spot except "hey thats weird that other guy also jumped over last minute" and if it flips me the lynch pool for the next day would be EXACTLY those 2 players.


Only other point I have is that the thing that is the simplest explanation is that his partner did not save him because they couldn't (meaning they were already on me). So that would be Robz. The only thing I can say on top of that is that as suspicious as everyone has been of him as the mime this game... it is odd he hasn't been shot yet.

What's your point with the first bit?

As for Robz, why would mafia kill mime!Robz rather than try to leave him alone and use his mimeread status to ensure he doesn't get lynched?

Edit

[Swowl]

OK someone find the fault in this logic, as I am sure it is there somewhere. Both points are regarding when we lynched skum (TWM at end of day 2):

The time in which I am finding specifically interesting is starting this post:

The_Wine_Merchant (3): theorel, joseph, Space
DatSwan (2): schadd, Robz
Awaclus (1): silverspawn
silver (2): awaclus, DatSwan
IDPTG (2): RR, Wine

Well I guess I have to vote: datswan

He said that he HAS to vote for me. Not true as SS also had 2 votes on them. Normally the argument could be made that my vote would not matter as it had to of been on TWM by now, but actually this wasn't the case. He could of gone SS just the same as he went for me and been in the exact same situation. Skum had to of assumed either TWM would grow over me (for reasons like - I wasn't voting him yet) or decide to go for a slip. Think about it. How skummy does TWM voting for me, then partner moves to me, then (assumingly) I move to TWM to tie it. They both would look horrible in that construct and we are still flipping! If it flips TWM then same spot except "hey thats weird that other guy also jumped over last minute" and if it flips me the lynch pool for the next day would be EXACTLY those 2 players.


Only other point I have is that the thing that is the simplest explanation is that his partner did not save him because they couldn't (meaning they were already on me). So that would be Robz. The only thing I can say on top of that is that as suspicious as everyone has been of him as the mime this game... it is odd he hasn't been shot yet.

What's the your point with the first bit?

As for Robz, why would mafia kill mime!Robz rather than try to leave him alone and use his mimeread status to ensure he doesn't get lynched?

bc mafia is only one player and if we were to end up lynching him then mafia loses along with us.

I did say that was my weaker of the two points.

And I don't know how to better explain the first part. he said he has to vote for me. he didn't it makes me suspicious.

[IDontPlayThisGame]

OK someone find the fault in this logic, as I am sure it is there somewhere. Both points are regarding when we lynched skum (TWM at end of day 2):

The time in which I am finding specifically interesting is starting this post:

The_Wine_Merchant (3): theorel, joseph, Space
DatSwan (2): schadd, Robz
Awaclus (1): silverspawn
silver (2): awaclus, DatSwan
IDPTG (2): RR, Wine

Well I guess I have to vote: datswan

He said that he HAS to vote for me. Not true as SS also had 2 votes on them. Normally the argument could be made that my vote would not matter as it had to of been on TWM by now, but actually this wasn't the case. He could of gone SS just the same as he went for me and been in the exact same situation. Skum had to of assumed either TWM would grow over me (for reasons like - I wasn't voting him yet) or decide to go for a slip. Think about it. How skummy does TWM voting for me, then partner moves to me, then (assumingly) I move to TWM to tie it. They both would look horrible in that construct and we are still flipping! If it flips TWM then same spot except "hey thats weird that other guy also jumped over last minute" and if it flips me the lynch pool for the next day would be EXACTLY those 2 players.


Only other point I have is that the thing that is the simplest explanation is that his partner did not save him because they couldn't (meaning they were already on me). So that would be Robz. The only thing I can say on top of that is that as suspicious as everyone has been of him as the mime this game... it is odd he hasn't been shot yet.

What's the your point with the first bit?

As for Robz, why would mafia kill mime!Robz rather than try to leave him alone and use his mimeread status to ensure he doesn't get lynched?

bc mafia is only one player and if we were to end up lynching him then mafia loses along with us.

I did say that was my weaker of the two points.

And I don't know how to better explain the first part. he said he has to vote for me. he didn't it makes me suspicious.

Ah, okay. I wasn't sure if you were intending to use it as an argument for mafia!ss (in which case the hole is that it relies on TWM being careless/going for WIFOM) or just stating your suspicion.

[Swowl]

OK someone find the fault in this logic, as I am sure it is there somewhere. Both points are regarding when we lynched skum (TWM at end of day 2):

The time in which I am finding specifically interesting is starting this post:

The_Wine_Merchant (3): theorel, joseph, Space
DatSwan (2): schadd, Robz
Awaclus (1): silverspawn
silver (2): awaclus, DatSwan
IDPTG (2): RR, Wine

Well I guess I have to vote: datswan

He said that he HAS to vote for me. Not true as SS also had 2 votes on them. Normally the argument could be made that my vote would not matter as it had to of been on TWM by now, but actually this wasn't the case. He could of gone SS just the same as he went for me and been in the exact same situation. Skum had to of assumed either TWM would grow over me (for reasons like - I wasn't voting him yet) or decide to go for a slip. Think about it. How skummy does TWM voting for me, then partner moves to me, then (assumingly) I move to TWM to tie it. They both would look horrible in that construct and we are still flipping! If it flips TWM then same spot except "hey thats weird that other guy also jumped over last minute" and if it flips me the lynch pool for the next day would be EXACTLY those 2 players.


Only other point I have is that the thing that is the simplest explanation is that his partner did not save him because they couldn't (meaning they were already on me). So that would be Robz. The only thing I can say on top of that is that as suspicious as everyone has been of him as the mime this game... it is odd he hasn't been shot yet.

What's the your point with the first bit?

As for Robz, why would mafia kill mime!Robz rather than try to leave him alone and use his mimeread status to ensure he doesn't get lynched?

bc mafia is only one player and if we were to end up lynching him then mafia loses along with us.

I did say that was my weaker of the two points.

And I don't know how to better explain the first part. he said he has to vote for me. he didn't it makes me suspicious.

Ah, okay. I wasn't sure if you were intending to use it as an argument for mafia!ss (in which case the hole is that it relies on TWM being careless/going for WIFOM) or just stating your suspicion.

I mean it is and isn't.
From TWM perspective - if they do not go for Skum!SS and goes for me then they create a situation where obv they proc SS bc its a tie or he dies.
From the TWM perspective - if they do go for Skum!SS and does not go for me he makes even wagons on both himself and SS.
Either way a Skum is lynched.

The thing that plays into whatever - is that SS did NOT come and vote for me after he chose me.

[Swowl]

guys can someone do something. like a lynch order list or something?
just so we can move this along more than anything.
The argument "it is early" doesn't really matter if we aren't using the time.

[Awaclus]

Here's a lynch order list:

DatSwan

[Joseph2302]

guys can someone do something. like a lynch order list or something?
just so we can move this along more than anything.
The argument "it is early" doesn't really matter if we aren't using the time.

I'll reread today and give an answer to this

[Swowl]

Here's a lynch order list:

DatSwan

Helpful

[Awaclus]

Here's a lynch order list:

DatSwan

Helpful

So why aren't we lynching DatSwan?

[Swowl]

Here's a lynch order list:

DatSwan

Helpful

So why aren't we lynching DatSwan?

lol I am fairly confident that is not happening.

[Awaclus]

Here's a lynch order list:

DatSwan

Helpful

So why aren't we lynching DatSwan?

lol I am fairly confident that is not happening.

Why?

[Swowl]

Here's a lynch order list:

DatSwan

Helpful

So why aren't we lynching DatSwan?

lol I am fairly confident that is not happening.

Why?

idk I feel lucky

[Robz888]

I will have more time for this tomorrow.

[IDontPlayThisGame]

Here's a lynch order list:

DatSwan

Helpful

So why aren't we lynching DatSwan?

Do you think scum!TWM moved to partner!DatSwan in self preservation over silverspawn?

[Awaclus]

Here's a lynch order list:

DatSwan

Helpful

So why aren't we lynching DatSwan?

Do you think scum!TWM moved to partner!DatSwan in self preservation over silverspawn?

Let DatSwan come up with his own defense.

[Swowl]

Here's a lynch order list:

DatSwan

Helpful

So why aren't we lynching DatSwan?

Do you think scum!TWM moved to partner!DatSwan in self preservation over silverspawn?

Let DatSwan come up

with his own defense.

Defense to what?

[Awaclus]

Here's a lynch order list:

DatSwan

Helpful

So why aren't we lynching DatSwan?

Do you think scum!TWM moved to partner!DatSwan in self preservation over silverspawn?

Let DatSwan come up

with his own defense.

Defense to what?

The fact that you're scum.

[Swowl]

Here's a lynch order list:

DatSwan

Helpful

So why aren't we lynching DatSwan?

Do you think scum!TWM moved to partner!DatSwan in self preservation over silverspawn?

Let DatSwan come up

with his own defense.

Defense to what?

The fact that you're scum.

How can I be skum if you are skum?

[Awaclus]

Here's a lynch order list:

DatSwan

Helpful

So why aren't we lynching DatSwan?

Do you think scum!TWM moved to partner!DatSwan in self preservation over silverspawn?

Let DatSwan come up

with his own defense.

Defense to what?

The fact that you're scum.

How can I be skum if you are skum?

You can't, but I'm not scum so therefore you can.

[Swowl]

Here's a lynch order list:

DatSwan

Helpful

So why aren't we lynching DatSwan?

Do you think scum!TWM moved to partner!DatSwan in self preservation over silverspawn?

Let DatSwan come up

with his own defense.

Defense to what?

The fact that you're scum.

How can I be skum if you are skum?

You can't, but I'm not scum so therefore you can.

but I am not skum... therefore you can be skum.

[Swowl]

SS - Could be that me and SS are both Town, so he picked a wagon that made it a town-town tie. and I was already on SS. Or SS is partner and they went me because obv reasons. But then SS did not vote on me and let TWM flip a coin with me. But if they are town they didn't know so it comes down to a "would they just let us flip or not scenario".
--Thought they were skummy at first, and the TWM vote actions make them look skummy. They also were quick on the Awaclus vote with me today, and the early game over tunneling of me was weird considering the line they took. --

Robz - Was on me, so in the simplest of explanation- TWM did not "get saved" because the partner was already on me.
-- If he is Mafia then he is doing an excellent job of acting like a mime. but with the shared Town/Mafia loss condition of "don't lynch the mime", I find it hard to believe they would not of attempted a save TWM if the team was TWM!Robz. --

Awaclus - Was on SS. Would of been more suspicious for them to switch to me last minute (compared to SS), but if he is town then he didn't know.
So that comes down to a "would they just let us flip or not scenario". Off wagon both other days, pushing me hard now. Most likely skum. Problem is idk which.

IDPTG - Went with a No Lynch Vote for schadd. Did the no wagon Space Vote on Day 1. Day 3 went for SS. He has stayed off the wagon every day and literally given no content to the game.
The experience I have with Town!IDP is that he talks a lot and drives useful conversation. Same issue as Awaclus - possibly skum, just don't know which kind.--


Joseph - Pretty much all of the content I can get on him comes down to - why, as the last alive mafia, would you hammer someone you know to be either Town or Mime, when the the game goes to lynch anyways and you could do nothing and get the same result? His hammer on Schadd would be a strange one if he were Mafia. Day 1 he switched to Lekkit towards the end. Day 2 he could of saved TWM but didn't. Day 3 I have noted above.
--Mime or Town are possibles, but not thinking Mafia!joseph--


so yeah - IDK, first time playing a game set up with factions like this and in honesty it is making me suspicious of everyone.
At this point I like SS, Awaclus, and IDP for the lynch.
If we lynch town and mafia kills town then we are still either 2-1-1 or 3-1-0 tomorrow, which means we get another chance if needed.

I like the SS lynch today.
Town - you should vote before "close to deadline". Because it goes to lynch no matter what it gives skum the upper hand in the last minute nature of things.

Vote: silverspawn

[faust]

Vote Count 4.2

Awaclus (1): silverspawn
DatSwan (1): Awaclus
silverspawn (1): DatSwan

Not Voting (3): Robz888, Joseph2302, IDontPlayThisGame

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day 4 ends February 21 at 2:30 am forum time.

That's in a little under 48 hours.

[Awaclus]

Silverspawn is probably town for the same reasons as why I'm town.

[silverspawn]

I don't get how the vote follows from your summary. You gave a reason why I wouldn't have played like this as scum then why I might have played like this as town and then voted.

[Awaclus]

I don't get how the vote follows from your summary. You gave a reason why I wouldn't have played like this as scum then why I might have played like this as town and then voted.

It follows because he's scum.

[Robz888]

Day 2 Final Vote Count

The_Wine_Merchant (3): theorel, Joseph2302, SpaceAnemone
DatSwan (3): schadd, Robz888, The_Wine_Merchant
silverspawn (2): Awaclus, DatSwan
Awaclus (1): silverspawn
No Lynch (1): IDontPlayThisGame
IDontPlayThisGame (1): Roadrunner7671

Not Voting (0)

With 11 alive, it took 6 to lynch.

Yeah, it's gotta be DatSwan for second mafia. All other still-living suspects would have had a reason to vote DatSwan in order to save TWM, except DatSwan, obviously. If Awaclus, silverspawn, Joseph, or IDP were scum, they all had the opportunity to save TWM and didn't take it. Doesn't really make sense.

Vote: DatSwan

[Robz888]

Additionally, DatSwan is putting in a level of effort and analysis I would expect from him as a scum player in the exciting situation he's in.

[Swowl]

Day 2 Final Vote Count

The_Wine_Merchant (3): theorel, Joseph2302, SpaceAnemone
DatSwan (3): schadd, Robz888, The_Wine_Merchant
silverspawn (2): Awaclus, DatSwan
Awaclus (1): silverspawn
No Lynch (1): IDontPlayThisGame
IDontPlayThisGame (1): Roadrunner7671

Not Voting (0)

With 11 alive, it took 6 to lynch.

Yeah, it's gotta be DatSwan for second mafia. All other still-living suspects would have had a reason to vote DatSwan in order to save TWM, except DatSwan, obviously. If Awaclus, silverspawn, Joseph, or IDP were scum, they all had the opportunity to save TWM and didn't take it. Doesn't really make sense.

Vote: DatSwan

1) why wouldn’t i hammer him for town points instead of flipping?
2) YOU in fact could of switched off onto me instead.
3) if any of the other off wagon players switched to me i would of assumedly switched to TWM to re tie it.

Been over all this already actually.

[IDontPlayThisGame]

Day 2 Final Vote Count

The_Wine_Merchant (3): theorel, Joseph2302, SpaceAnemone
DatSwan (3): schadd, Robz888, The_Wine_Merchant
silverspawn (2): Awaclus, DatSwan
Awaclus (1): silverspawn
No Lynch (1): IDontPlayThisGame
IDontPlayThisGame (1): Roadrunner7671

Not Voting (0)

With 11 alive, it took 6 to lynch.

Yeah, it's gotta be DatSwan for second mafia. All other still-living suspects would have had a reason to vote DatSwan in order to save TWM, except DatSwan, obviously. If Awaclus, silverspawn, Joseph, or IDP were scum, they all had the opportunity to save TWM and didn't take it. Doesn't really make sense.

Vote: DatSwan

How is it better for scum to guarantee one of them dying in a tied vote scenario than have a chance of having town flip instead?

[IDontPlayThisGame]

The only plus to lynching DatSwan here is that I really doubt he's a mime.

[Robz888]

Day 2 Final Vote Count

The_Wine_Merchant (3): theorel, Joseph2302, SpaceAnemone
DatSwan (3): schadd, Robz888, The_Wine_Merchant
silverspawn (2): Awaclus, DatSwan
Awaclus (1): silverspawn
No Lynch (1): IDontPlayThisGame
IDontPlayThisGame (1): Roadrunner7671

Not Voting (0)

With 11 alive, it took 6 to lynch.

Yeah, it's gotta be DatSwan for second mafia. All other still-living suspects would have had a reason to vote DatSwan in order to save TWM, except DatSwan, obviously. If Awaclus, silverspawn, Joseph, or IDP were scum, they all had the opportunity to save TWM and didn't take it. Doesn't really make sense.

Vote: DatSwan

1) why wouldn’t i hammer him for town points instead of flipping?
2) YOU in fact could of switched off onto me instead.
3) if any of the other off wagon players switched to me i would of assumedly switched to TWM to re tie it.

Been over all this already actually.

1) I mean, maybe, but this isn't so obviously a good idea. You would get town points, but then for some reason, despite being this really town seeming player, you wouldn't be nightkilled (because you're mafia), and then we would be like, uh, why did mafia not shoot this guy?

2) I was already voting for you. If I was the TWM partner, I wouldn't have been able to save him, and I am surprised more people do not think I'm mafia for this reason, given that TWM did in fact get lynched. Guess you all think I'm mine. I know I'm neither mime nor mafia, though.

3) Right, but this doesn't help a mafia team of you/TWM come out ahead.

[Robz888]

Day 2 Final Vote Count

The_Wine_Merchant (3): theorel, Joseph2302, SpaceAnemone
DatSwan (3): schadd, Robz888, The_Wine_Merchant
silverspawn (2): Awaclus, DatSwan
Awaclus (1): silverspawn
No Lynch (1): IDontPlayThisGame
IDontPlayThisGame (1): Roadrunner7671

Not Voting (0)

With 11 alive, it took 6 to lynch.

Yeah, it's gotta be DatSwan for second mafia. All other still-living suspects would have had a reason to vote DatSwan in order to save TWM, except DatSwan, obviously. If Awaclus, silverspawn, Joseph, or IDP were scum, they all had the opportunity to save TWM and didn't take it. Doesn't really make sense.

Vote: DatSwan

How is it better for scum to guarantee one of them dying in a tied vote scenario than have a chance of having town flip instead?

Was TWM around and able to switch? I remember him being absentee.

[IDontPlayThisGame]

Day 2 Final Vote Count

The_Wine_Merchant (3): theorel, Joseph2302, SpaceAnemone
DatSwan (3): schadd, Robz888, The_Wine_Merchant
silverspawn (2): Awaclus, DatSwan
Awaclus (1): silverspawn
No Lynch (1): IDontPlayThisGame
IDontPlayThisGame (1): Roadrunner7671

Not Voting (0)

With 11 alive, it took 6 to lynch.

Yeah, it's gotta be DatSwan for second mafia. All other still-living suspects would have had a reason to vote DatSwan in order to save TWM, except DatSwan, obviously. If Awaclus, silverspawn, Joseph, or IDP were scum, they all had the opportunity to save TWM and didn't take it. Doesn't really make sense.

Vote: DatSwan

How is it better for scum to guarantee one of them dying in a tied vote scenario than have a chance of having town flip instead?

Was TWM around and able to switch? I remember him being absentee.

foooock i am dead

Less than one minute before deadline.

[Robz888]

Would you go to silver?

TWM did show up, but we tried to get Space to move to silver. Makes it very unlikely silver is mafia IMO.

[Robz888]

Would you go to silver?

TWM did show up, but we tried to get Space to move to silver. Makes it very unlikely silver is mafia IMO.

We = he

Wow that looks like a scum!slip from me, but it's a typo promise.

[silverspawn]

I think this is the first time I see someone faking a scumslip. You're writing history, here!

[Robz888]

I think this is the first time I see someone faking a scumslip. You're writing history, here!

Lol I'm just a dumb ass mime, don't mind me

[Swowl]

Would you go to silver?

TWM did show up, but we tried to get Space to move to silver. Makes it very unlikely silver is mafia IMO.

Actually that is a good point.

I guess vote:awaclus it is then

[Awaclus]

I guess vote:awaclus it is then

It isn't because that's not the correct format for a vote.

[Swowl]

I guess vote:awaclus it is then

It isn't because that's not the correct format for a vote.

Thanks. Phone post.

Vote: Awaclus

[Joseph2302]

I kind if think it's between DatSwan and Robz for last scum.

[Swowl]

Day 2 Final Vote Count

The_Wine_Merchant (3): theorel, Joseph2302, SpaceAnemone
DatSwan (3): schadd, Robz888, The_Wine_Merchant
silverspawn (2): Awaclus, DatSwan
Awaclus (1): silverspawn
No Lynch (1): IDontPlayThisGame
IDontPlayThisGame (1): Roadrunner7671

Not Voting (0)

With 11 alive, it took 6 to lynch.

Yeah, it's gotta be DatSwan for second mafia. All other still-living suspects would have had a reason to vote DatSwan in order to save TWM, except DatSwan, obviously. If Awaclus, silverspawn, Joseph, or IDP were scum, they all had the opportunity to save TWM and didn't take it. Doesn't really make sense.

Vote: DatSwan

1) why wouldn’t i hammer him for town points instead of flipping?
2) YOU in fact could of switched off onto me instead.
3) if any of the other off wagon players switched to me i would of assumedly switched to TWM to re tie it.

Been over all this already actually.

1) I mean, maybe, but this isn't so obviously a good idea. You would get town points, but then for some reason, despite being this really town seeming player, you wouldn't be nightkilled (because you're mafia), and then we would be like, uh, why did mafia not shoot this guy?

2) I was already voting for you. If I was the TWM partner, I wouldn't have been able to save him, and I am surprised more people do not think I'm mafia for this reason, given that TWM did in fact get lynched. Guess you all think I'm mine. I know I'm neither mime nor mafia, though.

3) Right, but this doesn't help a mafia team of you/TWM come out ahead.

1) this logic is a stretch. There are lots of ways in which town!Swan hammers and then wakes up. For example - whateverhappened lol don’t know what t is but that sequence of events worked for town!swan.

2) right just flip my logic - meaning you could be skum and we’re in me so there was no way for his partner to load into me to help save him.

3) right. I’m saying that’s what i would of actually assumedly would of done in this actual game.

[Swowl]

Robz could be ok. There are a few town left i here guys someone needs to go back and check me out because it’s like... not even hard to tell I’m Town here

[silverspawn]

isn't robz like the most obviuos mime that has ever spawned? do you really consider lynching him?

[Robz888]

Remember everybody that we very very very much want to leave time for claims here, so really any delaying is very bad. You should vote for who you think is mafia soon.

[Robz888]

isn't robz like the most obviuos mime that has ever spawned? do you really consider lynching him?

(*Screams*: I played this so badly!)

[Robz888]

Hey IDP, I see you viewing the thread, why don't you lay down a vote somewhere please?

[Swowl]

isn't robz like the most obviuos mime that has ever spawned? do you really consider lynching him?

Yeah i guess your a little right there. And if he thinks I’m not mafia his voting me would help me wrap my head around why he “thinks I’m mafia”

[IDontPlayThisGame]

Hey IDP, I see you viewing the thread, why don't you lay down a vote somewhere please?

Because everyone I'm considering has claimed mime at some point.

[IDontPlayThisGame]

And therefore I want to consider this more.

[Robz888]

Cool, let's consider it all the way to a default lynch of a PR. Neat!

[faust]

Vote Count 4.3

Awaclus (2): silverspawn, DatSwan
DatSwan (2): Awaclus, Robz888

Not Voting (2): Joseph2302, IDontPlayThisGame

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. Day 4 ends February 21 at 2:30 am forum time.

That's in about 16.5 hours.

[Joseph2302]

well it's almost definitely 1 of these 2 as the last scum.
And if Robz is mime, which seems likely, then we can lynch one of Awaclus/DatSwan, and lynch the other tomorrow if needed.

[Robz888]

Deadline is rapidly approaching, folks. We badly need non-voters Joseph and IDP to actually vote.

DatSwan, I think you should probably claim now and not wait for L-1.

[Joseph2302]

Deadline is rapidly approaching, folks. We badly need non-voters Joseph and IDP to actually vote.

DatSwan, I think you should probably claim now and not wait for L-1.

Thanks for the reminder. I got distracted by other board games.
Vote: DatSwan is my preferred option.

[Joseph2302]

That's L-1

[Joseph2302]

And I'm going to bed, so probably won't be around before deadline.

[Swowl]

Deadline is rapidly approaching, folks. We badly need non-voters Joseph and IDP to actually vote.

DatSwan, I think you should probably claim now and not wait for L-1.

I already claimed like very much some time ago sir.

[Swowl]

I claimed VT then and I am VT now.

Mime would push for me because pretty clear I am not Mafia.
Mafia would push for me because pretty clear I am not Mime.

I get that I cannot get people to take this seriously now, although for the life of me I cannot figure out why not, what's going to happen if I am the one to lynch is I am going to flip over as VT.

There is without a doubt Skum within Awaclus and Robz. It maybe just one, and it may be that it is just the mime, but given the criteria a Skum player needs to follow for the day... I find it EXTREMELY unlikely that neither of my original wagon creators bad guys.

I wish I could convince people to do Awaclus but I don't think it is going to happen. And unfortunately, given the lynch rule I would need more than one anyways. So yeah, gonna throw in a some ideas here but if you have any questions go ahead and ask now before its too late.

[Swowl]

Space clearly bread crumbing IDP was N1 WD target and Space didn't die. If you follow me on this one, then IDP is not the Mafia. Below are my main 2 posts suggesting this"

1) Space @ #315 - Huge reads list. Ends with IDP being "seems plain old town to me". Combining that with the lack of content IDP put in to that point, I am acting under the assumption that was a crumb of their N1 WD target. Obv, space woke up alive so IDP either Town or Mime Goon (by this logic at least).

2) Space @ #400 - Again, same day, "IDP is one of my stronger Town Reads".

[Swowl]

This one is a middle kind of thing, but... right before the TWM flip - TWM and Space are the only two around talking about what to do. See below:

1) TWM/Space @ #400 through #410ish - TWM trying to get Space to go to SS. At first I thought maybe WIFOM, but then realized that the ONLY person talking at that point other than TWM is Space. And if Space DID flip to SS it would of put the lynch there instead. Now you have to combine this with the fact that TWM chose to go me instead of SS but all in all I think it is either like a very far fetched (and well executed) skum play, or more likely SS probably not Mafia.

[Swowl]

well it's almost definitely 1 of these 2 as the last scum.
And if Robz is mime, which seems likely, then we can lynch one of Awaclus/DatSwan, and lynch the other tomorrow if needed.

this is skummy as ballz.

[Swowl]

Robz - No idea what to think. To the early game SS point made, something like "a concept is good to a point until it is too perfect" or something like that.... yeah that. Like he could be mime. But honestly as the game has progressed he is less and less likely to me to be a remaining mime.

1) Early game vote timings are, as noted, very Mime like. He has said things that are mime-y. and he is playing it off just so damn oddly.
2) Who, as the mime, continues to just "act like the mime" the rest of the game? He can't win that way.

IDK, I still think he has a chance to be the mime. Today, when there is a day to live on tomorrow to try again, I think I still like Awaclus (but for the same reason that any supposed town players on me like me right now - because it is safer).  But tomorrow could be a different thing.


If we end up choosing me today to go down, that is fine. I mean it's not, I really don't get how I could of been more helpful, but whatever... team sport and all, its cool. Tomorrow it is win or go home.
We don't know if RR was the Mime or not.
We don't know a lot of PRs
.... and literally tomorrow none of that matters. like at all.

Remember tomorrow at decision time, that it has nothing to do with who is the most likely to be a mime - because if the lynch is not exactly mafia, we as town lose just the same.
We, or you all, or whatever, should fixate on who is SKUM, not MAFIA and MIME. I mean tomorrow, not today. But tomorrow it really is something to think about.

[Swowl]

and yeah, I have one more important bit, but I do not want it to seem like I am persuading IDP one way or another, so dude when you ready to do something please speak up. I have it pre typed. Just to make sure it doesn't get shut out before twilight ends please.

[Robz888]

That's right, you are VT. I forgot.

I presume IDP is unwilling to vote for you because he is the mime, and lynching the last mafia would result in a mime loss right now.

[Swowl]

That's right, you are VT. I forgot.

I presume IDP is unwilling to vote for you because he is the mime, and lynching the last mafia would result in a mime loss right now.

That would be neat. I don't really care how it happens, but considering I am the only person I know to be an anti town lynch for sure... I will take what I can get.

[Swowl]

it also just baffles the absolute hell out of me how there are three people on me, which by definition means that a bare minimum of one of you if ACTUALLY TOWN.

[IDontPlayThisGame]

That's right, you are VT. I forgot.

I presume IDP is unwilling to vote for you because he is the mime, and lynching the last mafia would result in a mime loss right now.

Or I'm unwilling to vote him because I really think he's town. Did anyone voting for DatSwan explain why TWM went down bussing?

[IDontPlayThisGame]

isn't robz like the most obviuos mime that has ever spawned? do you really consider lynching him?

(*Screams*: I played this so badly!)

Feel like being lynched then?

[Swowl]

PS - around until Hammer/DL

[Swowl]

That's right, you are VT. I forgot.

I presume IDP is unwilling to vote for you because he is the mime, and lynching the last mafia would result in a mime loss right now.

Or I'm unwilling to vote him because I really think he's town. Did anyone voting for DatSwan explain why TWM went down bussing?

someone made a WIFOM comment at one point.
Which is fair...
Except for the part where if it is TWM!Swan we could of successfully lynched literally any other player with a vote instead...

[IDontPlayThisGame]

That's right, you are VT. I forgot.

I presume IDP is unwilling to vote for you because he is the mime, and lynching the last mafia would result in a mime loss right now.

Or I'm unwilling to vote him because I really think he's town. Did anyone voting for DatSwan explain why TWM went down bussing?

someone made a WIFOM comment at one point.
Which is fair...
Except for the part where if it is TWM!Swan we could of successfully lynched literally any other player with a vote instead...

You can apply WIFOM to just about anything conf!scum does. If that's the most compelling argument...I'm not convinced.

[IDontPlayThisGame]

DatSwan, I assume you'd move to awaclus if I did?

[IDontPlayThisGame]

Lol, forgot the vote. Nevermind that.

[Swowl]

Am I seriously not on Awaclus rn??

[Swowl]

lol OK yeah I was gonna say

[Swowl]

do you think it likely that he is mime?

[IDontPlayThisGame]

do you think it likely that he is mime?

No. Right now I feel you're both town, but I think it's more likely he's mafia if one of you is.

[Swowl]

Also dunno if they just haven't been here or what - but the fact that SS hasn't smashed me is worth some Town points in their favor.

[Swowl]

do you think it likely that he is mime?

No. Right now I feel you're both town, but I think it's more likely he's mafia if one of you is.

k cool we are kind of in agreement on that. I guess my "skum possibility" ranking is higher on him then yours is, but that is based on bias.

I'll be gone for like 30 minutes and then back until DL

[IDontPlayThisGame]

vote: Awaclus

L-1

Kinda like Robz more, but I don't think that's happening and I need to sleep.

[Swowl]

vote: Awaclus

L-1

Kinda like Robz more, but I don't think that's happening and I need to sleep.

in case you are awake and we find another I am totally down to switch to robz

[Swowl]

90 to DL

[Awaclus]

Vote: Awaclus

[Joseph2302]

Vote: Awaclus

Shit. Awaclus must be mime then.

[faust]

Day 4 Final Vote Count

Awaclus (4): silverspawn, DatSwan, IDontPlayThisGame, Awaclus
DatSwan (1): Robz888

Not Voting (1): Joseph2302

With 6 alive, it took 4 to lynch.

[faust]

Awaclus has been lynched. They were Christopher Hayden, the Mime Miller!

Mimes win!

The Mafia, consisting of The_Wine_Merchant and silverspawn, loses!

Town loses as well.

[Galzria]

/wristslap Robz

Bud, that was awful.

[Swowl]

Well shit. Guess i should of gone down for the team.

Def awaclus for MVP. Well played sir.

Good game everyone.

Thanks for the game faust.

[faust]

/wristslap Robz

Bud, that was awful.

Well, most of the town had a pretty bad performance. We had a 1-shot Vig that just never shot, and tons upon tons of lurking.

[Awaclus]

I think Lekkit should be the MVP, he got lynched much faster.

[Awaclus]

Also, I flip as Goon too? (for the record I was the Miller)

[faust]

Also, I flip as Goon too? (for the record I was the Miller)

Oh right... I haven't really considered that. You should flip as Miller.

[faust]

Your role PM said Goon, so.

[Awaclus]

Mime QT: https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/qm84rj53Q8k7

[Lekkit]

Yay! We won!

[Swowl]

Well shit that crumb was pretty obvious (evidently) so shame on us

[Swowl]

Also GJ silver you had me all flipped around

[Joseph2302]

Day 4 Final Vote Count

Awaclus (4): silverspawn, DatSwan, IDontPlayThisGame, Awaclus
DatSwan (1): Robz888

Not Voting (1): Joseph2302

With 6 alive, it took 4 to lynch.

For what it matters, I was also voting DatSwan

[Swowl]

so. I guess it doesn't matter but was Awaclus the miller or goon?

[faust]

Mafia QT
Mime QT
Mod QT
Speccy

[Awaclus]

so. I guess it doesn't matter but was Awaclus the miller or goon?

I was technically both. Lekkit was just a Goon.

[faust]

So was this game's abysmal activity level due to the presence of Mimes? I can see how that might happen, but we didn't have similar problems in the last Mime game.

[Swowl]

So was this game's abysmal activity level due to the presence of Mimes? I can see how that might happen, but we didn't have similar problems in the last Mime game.

So this set up was an absolute first for me. However, if you are looking for feedback:
I think the game was excellently formulated.
I think the extremely low amount of involvement is what hurt.
I would for sure sign up again for a same set up.

[Awaclus]

So was this game's abysmal activity level due to the presence of Mimes? I can see how that might happen, but we didn't have similar problems in the last Mime game.

I personally had low activity levels around the start of the game because I was doing other things around that time, and I was better able to focus on the game later on.

[Joseph2302]

So was this game's abysmal activity level due to the presence of Mimes? I can see how that might happen, but we didn't have similar problems in the last Mime game.

So this set up was an absolute first for me. However, if you are looking for feedback:
I think the game was excellently formulated.
I think the extremely low amount of involvement is what hurt.
I would for sure sign up again for a same set up.

I liked the setup
But I was away for a week then really busy (caused by catching up from being away for a week)
And once other people don't post, I never feel I have much to go on, so I post less

[Awaclus]

Regarding Space's breadcrumb, I guess it was a bit easier for me to trust that it was a breadcrumb because I already had a scumread on silver and I had already blocked the kill by JKing him (although I didn't know that for sure at the time). It's still a bit strange that town didn't really pay a lot of attention to it.

[silverspawn]

what surprises me the most is that robz wasn't mime.

[Awaclus]

what surprises me the most is that robz wasn't mime.

Didn't surprise me tbh.

[Swowl]

Regarding Space's breadcrumb, I guess it was a bit easier for me to trust that it was a breadcrumb because I already had a scumread on silver and I had already blocked the kill by JKing him (although I didn't know that for sure at the time). It's still a bit strange that town didn't really pay a lot of attention to it.

it has post game been pointed out to me that WDs WANT TO target mafia. I did not consider that. so when I read over the SA post I assumed it meant the opposite. Shame on me for being a dummy on that one.

[Swowl]

what surprises me the most is that robz wasn't mime.

Didn't surprise me tbh.

what surprised me is he wasn't the last skum lol

[faust]

Regarding Space's breadcrumb, I guess it was a bit easier for me to trust that it was a breadcrumb because I already had a scumread on silver and I had already blocked the kill by JKing him (although I didn't know that for sure at the time). It's still a bit strange that town didn't really pay a lot of attention to it.

Fun fact: The kill would still have failed if you hadn't blocked as the target (Robz) was deathproof,

[theorel]

In retrospect, I think I let my early town-read of silver bias me, and that's why I missed the breadcrumb.  I was looking for excuses for silver to be town rather than properly considering the evidence.  So, in the end I just tried to lynch the mime

[Lekkit]

I think Mimes make the game MUCH more frustrating for town. Probably even more this game, since I was the first lynch. From inactivity. And then the other Mime was basically a Jester. I kind of enjoyed watching the rest of the game play out. Even if it was super slow.

[Awaclus]

I'm not sure if I would say that Mimes make the game more frustrating for town, but at least in this game, the presence of Mimes definitely amplified the adverse effects of the usual sloppy town play — Lekkit's lynch could have been avoided if we hadn't gone for a lurker lynch, and my lynch could have been avoided if town had focused on objective data instead of their "reads".

[faust]

By the way Awaclus, I was wondering why you didn't jailkeep silverspawn each night given that he was the main threat to you.

[Awaclus]

By the way Awaclus, I was wondering why you didn't jailkeep silverspawn each night given that he was the main threat to you.

N2 I just forgot about the fact that I had a reason to think he's mafia. N3 I wanted to protect DatSwan instead because I was pretty sure silver wouldn't kill me and DatSwan was one of the key people pushing the case against me.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

Good job mimes.

I played pretty horrible, although I am proud of that post to alleviate suspicion from silverspawn, but my other post about must choosing DatSwan was equally terrible.

Rough to be decided to lynch on a coin flip. Can I ask why the rules was to have non-majority lynch?

[faust]

Rough to be decided to lynch on a coin flip. Can I ask why the rules was to have non-majority lynch?

It was intended as a boost for the Mime faction.

[schadd]

: <

[Robz888]

Bummer. Pretty disastrous play from town all the way through--including from me. I think the game was designed perfectly well, just found it hard to get into for some reason, and I'm not a fan of non-majority lynches, though I see why they made sense here.

You should have gone quietly into the night, DatSwan!

[SpaceAnemone]

Lovely though it is to have confirmation that I was right to play with the "weak" side of my role and go for my scumread, and that my breadcrumb was clear in retrospect, it would be better if I can do that and still get the message across to town before the game is over :-P What would have made you guys take notice? (But not have made scum take notice of my breadcrumbing too soon?)

[silverspawn]

I was the scum and I'm horrible with breadcrumbs so you can really just be more blatant.

I historically have overestimated how much people see hidden things in stuff I post several times, and never underestimated it.