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[theorel]

Feeling sick, don't know how much I'll be on.  I'll try to pop in tomorrow if I'm well enough.

[Swowl]

I still don't get it.... I mean I don't care anymore either lol but like if I always have a "low affect/engagement, high explaininess" approach... then how does that ping me for skum?

i meant, in this game in particular

1) (why not lead with him) Schaad - going back and reading posts just like very light on the town helping side from someone that normally has some solid insights.

you've played with me once and i was scum?

I thought we were just saying generic statements about each other that didn't fit? I guess I don't get it mb....

[Swowl]

vote count/deadline plz

[Swowl]

OK whatever, by my count this is the VC and we have 15 hours to DL (could be wrong, done by hand):

The_Wine_Merchant (1): theorel
SpaceAnemone (1): The_Wine_Merchant
theorel (1): Robz888, Joseph
DatSwan (1): schadd
silverspawn (1): DatSwan
Awaclus (1): silverspawn
schadd (1): SpaceAnemone
Not Voting (3): Awaclus, Roadrunner7671, IDontPlayThisGame

I very much still want to do SS, but that aside here is where I am at given I will be spotty up until DL:


I am absolutely not going to lynch the following:
Joseph (too likely mime)
Robz (too likely mime)
Theorel (too likely town)


I do not care about the following:
Awaclus (normal self)
schadd (fist pick from this category but just based on gut)
Space (no number which is weird, otherwise would be in no lynch)
RR (normal self)


I will gladly vote for the following:
silverspawn
IDPTG
TWM



If DL is in 15 hours or so from now then I guess I will be here for the next several hours, and then gone, and then back again for a short while when there is like 1 hour or so left. I will be on a mountain in the middle of nowhere tomorrow and service will be spotty so I cannot promise anything.

vote:TWM

[faust]

Vote Count 2.2

The_Wine_Merchant (2): theorel, DatSwan
SpaceAnemone (1): The_Wine_Merchant
theorel (2): Robz888, Joseph2302
DatSwan (1): schadd
Awaclus (1): silverspawn
schadd (1): SpaceAnemone

Not Voting (3): Awaclus, Roadrunner7671, IDontPlayThisGame

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day 2 ends Feb 2 at 4:30 pm forum time.

That's in 14.5 hours.

[Joseph2302]

Vote: Wine

[Joseph2302]

I'll be on/off around near deadline

[SpaceAnemone]

Space (no number which is weird, otherwise would be in no lynch)

Wait, what's the no number thing? Did I miss something I was meant to do?

[SpaceAnemone]

I don't mind the TWM votes, in that I don't think he's a likely mime, but I also don't feel that he's likely scum.

If we're hoping scum will do the mime-riddance job for us, do we feel like we've given them enough likely targets yet?

[SpaceAnemone]

Vote: Wine

What are your feelings on schadd and on Swan?

[silverspawn]

vote: TWM

[silverspawn]

actually, unvote

[silverspawn]

I'll get a reread done and put my vote somewhere before the deadline comes too close

[Awaclus]

actually, unvote

Vote: silverspawn

[silverspawn]

Thoughts:

schadd is making sense. I have never seen this before. Probably town.
Everyone is assuming mime is playing obviously (suspecting Joseph / Robz). A good mime would play in such a way that it doesn't look like she's a mime. I know this argument always applies and also applies for mafia, but nonetheless, I feel like we're assuming a lower standard there. If I was a mime, I would probably either play a really lazy game or something really weird, but not ostensibly anti town like Joseph and Robz are. I think they are both non-mime and might be scum, particularly Joseph.

Joseph claimed SK last game, was unhelpful, got lynched Day 1, it was bad for town.

Well that doesn't help.

This is what I'm mostly talking about. This assumes Mime's have a really superficial way of approaching the game

So if we lynch them both then they win on that. However, if we lynch one and the other dies to an NK they do not win (I think that is correct).

Thing is, if you are a Mime... why would you claim mime? If you want to get lynched an not NKed... just doesn't really make any sense. I mean even if you draw the attention during the day to yourself, then there is the whole night meta.. if you get killed then your team loses on the spot. You will be targeted by Mafia most likely and it will put a weird spin on Town where we have to decide what to do. I feel as if the much better strategy would of been to act as "Mafia-y" as possible if the goal was to be lynched.

If you are Town... why would you claim mime? I can only assume if you are VT then to proc PRs and help to gain information down the road. I suppose it puts mimes in a spot where they cannot really claim, however why would you want to.

If you are Mafia... why would you claim mime? Well, it makes it unlikely that you will be lynched. It also means that the Mimes will know you are lying obv, but since your team would control the NK you don't have to worry about being shot at night.


Further fun note: Considering that the mimes can only protect one of themselves at night, we can absolutely assume that one of the mime claims is a lie (since they cannot target themselves). So if one of them claimed, the other one could just proc them each night or hope they get get lynched I guess. But if both claim then how do they determine who skum would aim at at night? Just from a rational point, all likelihood aside, I just don't see how both mimes could possibly claim and find an upside in it.

I will finish reading tonight and get more to this later.

[silverspawn]

In fact that makes me want to vote: DatSwan. There is a gap between how good an argument sounds and how good it actually is that people don't actually realize most of the time (this is true outside of mafia). That gap can go in either direction and be of varying size. Being in a position where you have to make up things reliably produces arguments that sound better than they actually are. This is one such.

[silverspawn]

We should establish whether scum = non-town or scum = mafia.

I think scum = non-town will lead to more confusion than sticking to scum = mafia.

Actually scum=non-town is the established definition. At least, almost. Scum = anti-town is more like it. Survivor is not scum.

[silverspawn]

Hey all. Sorry, I've not been helping much. Having a hard time getting into this one. Will try harder this week.

Ok actually Robz might be a mime. This is a mime post. But Joseph is not a mime.

[silverspawn]

theorel is town.

[silverspawn]

I think seeing something of a wifomy survival tactic coming from silver isn't that much of a surprise, because he's typically an early target.

This is new, by the way. I was rarely an early target for most of history.

[silverspawn]

Vote: theorel

I'm also okay with a Vote: theorel

hm...

[silverspawn]

lekkit and space i like for not town

Wrong on at least one count. Does that make you more or less likely to be right on the other one?

Less.

[silverspawn]

unvote ok fine, I'm town. I just couldn't resist trying this. I'll be serious from now on.

The key thing about my wagon is I think this: team mime knew that I was lying since they are the mimes. As a mime, I think I'd conclude that a claimed mime is a mafia, and I might vote for them. This isn't as relevant as I had hoped though, since the wagon never really picked up... I thought it would. I guess I have too much of a reputation of trying things.

One day to deadline sucks, you'd think a mime claim would force more discussion but nope

I'm up for lynching theorel for his voting and caution. Or we could always lynch Awaclus, that's never a bad thing.

vote: theorel

That's what happens if you don't take the time to reread.

[silverspawn]

Space is also town.

I feel like lurking would just be a super duper easy way to win as a mime.

RR probably too.

TWM, too.

[silverspawn]

There is frustratingly little to go on.

But in conclusion, everyone is town except for Robz who might be mime and Awaclus and DatSwan. Therefore that's the scum team. Let's lynch DatSwan.