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[theorel]

Also sort of suspicious of theorel for disguising "actually it's WIFOM" as detailed analysis.

Someone argued that silverspawn is either scum or mime for claiming mime.  I argued that it's not a scum or mime tell, it's just WIFOM.

But then, rather than say "it's WIFOM and tells us nothing", I said the most likely reason for a player to put straight-up WIFOM into the thread in such a way is because that player is town trying to generate reactions.

Thinking on it some more, it's interesting because scum-tells and mime-tells are on polar opposite sides.  (survivalist tells versus anti-survivalist tells (let's call them "death wish"-tells).  A mime might try to fake a survivalist tell, in order to get lynched, which will make it tough to evaluate them...
I wonder if with mimes in the game scum is more likely to fake a death-wish tell?  Or if those are still primarily the purview of town.

[SpaceAnemone]

I think seeing something of a wifomy survival tactic coming from silver isn't that much of a surprise, because he's typically an early target. This puts town off lynching him and may even make scum not want to target him for fear of taking out other anti-town votes too early. I can totally see that sort of behaviour coming from town!silver who wants to participate rather than just line up to be offed.

I like that theorel is participating a lot and making decent sense. By which I mean that I'm parsing their early support of IDP's wagon as a scum-hunting attempt rather than an actual vote for my lynch. Joseph was the only one who followed, and we already know my opinion of Joseph.

We need seven votes to lynch, so theorel is at L-4. That's not a big enough wagon for me to feel entirely happy that Robz's drive-by shade wasn't' followed up by a vote.

[SpaceAnemone]

Oh, and while I'm looking at lynch requirements in the mod vote count, let me state way ahead of time that 4am forum time is not the kind of time at which I'm going to be awake for the hour leading up to the deadline. (It looks like it almost should be, since it's 9am UK time, but I'm a night owl who scrapes into work at 10am, and trying to get by on fewer than 8 hours' sleep risks grumpiness).

[Robz888]

Vote: theorel

[Roadrunner7671]

I'm also okay with a Vote: theorel

[Lekkit]

Vote: silverspawn

[Awaclus]

So, the question is: is claiming mime a survivalist tell?

-Town does not want to lynch mimes, so claiming mimes might look like trying not to get lynched.  This is something scum would do.
-But actual mimes will not claim mime, so claiming mime doesn't actually make you look like a mime, hence it doesn't actually decrease your chance of getting lynched...arguably it increases it (as any controversial action would).
-But then, if it does increase the chance of being lynched then it becomes a claim mime is likely to make...which brings us back to the beginning, hence the WIFOM.

Controversial actions also increase town interaction, pulling people to speak up, and providing opportunity to find scum through their "unnatural" responses, so claiming mime is potentially pro-town (as any sufficiently controversial action is).  So, since silverspawn is town, I will sheep and vote: silverspawn.

You think ss is town and therefore you vote for them?!
That seems scummy.
Vote: theorel

No, he thinks ss is town and therefore he sheeps ss.

[Joseph2302]

So, the question is: is claiming mime a survivalist tell?

-Town does not want to lynch mimes, so claiming mimes might look like trying not to get lynched.  This is something scum would do.
-But actual mimes will not claim mime, so claiming mime doesn't actually make you look like a mime, hence it doesn't actually decrease your chance of getting lynched...arguably it increases it (as any controversial action would).
-But then, if it does increase the chance of being lynched then it becomes a claim mime is likely to make...which brings us back to the beginning, hence the WIFOM.

Controversial actions also increase town interaction, pulling people to speak up, and providing opportunity to find scum through their "unnatural" responses, so claiming mime is potentially pro-town (as any sufficiently controversial action is).  So, since silverspawn is town, I will sheep and vote: silverspawn.

You think ss is town and therefore you vote for them?!
That seems scummy.
Vote: theorel

No, he thinks ss is town and therefore he sheeps ss.

By voting for ss though

[schadd]

idptg i like for town


lekkit and space i like for not town

[SpaceAnemone]

lekkit and space i like for not town

Wrong on at least one count. Does that make you more or less likely to be right on the other one?

[Swowl]

SS - If you are mime and want to get lynched, why did you move your vote off yourself?
Here I will make it easier for you.

Vote:silverspawn

pretty sure you pull ahead in the wagon race if you move back.

[schadd]

lekkit and space i like for not town

Wrong on at least one count. Does that make you more or less likely to be right on the other one?

do you suppose i have enough information to make an accurate call on lekkit?

[silverspawn]

vote: silverspawn

[faust]

Vote Count 1.2

silverspawn (4): theorel, Lekkit, DatSwan, silverspawn
theorel (4): Roadrunner7671, Awaclus, Joseph2302, Robz888
SpaceAnemone (1): IDontPlayThisGame
Joseph2302 (1): SpaceAnemone
Lekkit (1): schadd

Not Voting (1): The_Wine_Merchant

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends Jan 25 at 4 am forum time.

That is in less that 24 hours.

[theorel]

Vote Count 1.2

theorel (4): Roadrunner7671, Awaclus, Joseph2302, Robz888
SpaceAnemone (2): IDontPlayThisGame, theorel
Joseph2302 (1): SpaceAnemone
Lekkit (1): schadd
sivlerspawn (3): Lekkit, DatSwan, silverspawn

Not Voting (1): The_Wine_Merchant

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends Jan 25 at 4 am forum time.

This is definitely wrong, since I voted for silverspawn.  I'll check over the rest.

[theorel]

Vote Count 1.2

This is definitely wrong, since I voted for silverspawn.  I'll check over the rest.

Rest look okay

[faust]

Vote Count 1.2

theorel (4): Roadrunner7671, Awaclus, Joseph2302, Robz888
SpaceAnemone (2): IDontPlayThisGame, theorel
Joseph2302 (1): SpaceAnemone
Lekkit (1): schadd
sivlerspawn (3): Lekkit, DatSwan, silverspawn

Not Voting (1): The_Wine_Merchant

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends Jan 25 at 4 am forum time.

This is definitely wrong, since I voted for silverspawn.  I'll check over the rest.

Fixed.

[theorel]

So, I disappeared yesterday...because I was distracted by things not on this forum.  And...less than a page of discussion, mostly people voting without any real explanation or argumentation.  And we're down to 24 hours to deadline.
So, Post Counts:
(number in parentheses is pre-game count to make it easier to subtract later-as-needed, I have ALREADY subtracted it.)

Robz(2): 6
Awaclus(1): 10
Roadrunner(1): 7
silverspawn(4): 15
theorel(3): 10
SpaceAnemone(2): 9
Joseph(4): 14
The_Wine_Merchant(2): 1
schadd (3): 8
DatSwan (1): 9
Lekkit (1): 2
IDPTG (1): 6

There's something seriously wrong for me to be in the top 4 on a post count.  I'm like the poster child for borderline lurker.  Wine Merchant and Lekkit are severely lurking.  It would be nice to hear from them.  In fact,
Request Prod: The_Wine_Merchant.

So, I don't like either of the 2 leading lynches, since I think they're both town.  But, lack of argumentation leaves me highly uncertain who is actually scum.
Let's see...
Robz - maybe town?  He's not as helpful as he was in M111, which is apparently a scum-tell.
Roadrunner - he re-voted for me, after his RVS vote...makes wagon seem bigger, when it's just the same size.  No explanation, seems scummy.
Awaclus - I think it's weird that he pushed back on Joseph's argument for voting for me, while voting for me himself.  That seems townie.
Joseph - his reaction to my vote seem townie.
For silver's wagon:
Lekkit - voting with no explanation, 2 whole posts in the game...scummy.
Datswan - seems to be using my same actual reasoning to vote for silverspawn...but I think by the time the vote was placed it was too late.  Not sure if this is townie or scummy...would be scummy if I was scum maybe, but I'm town.  I think scum would go about this differently...
silver-townie
theorel-is town.

People not covered by that:
SpaceAnemone: buddying me maybe?
The_Wine_Merchant: not posting is a null-tell, but it's anti-town so stop it.
schadd: Hmm...it would be nice to know more about his town/not-town reads.
IDPTG: I can't shake my town feel from M111...he feels the same here, so I'm going to read that as town.

So, let's see:
Like to Lynch: Lekkit, Roadrunner, hmm...that's about it.
Don't want to lynch: me, silverspawn, Robz.
Willing to lynch: anyone else.

Vote Count is fixed, so let's make it wrong
vote: Roadrunner

[Joseph2302]

So, I disappeared yesterday...because I was distracted by things not on this forum.  And...less than a page of discussion, mostly people voting without any real explanation or argumentation.  And we're down to 24 hours to deadline.
So, Post Counts:
(number in parentheses is pre-game count to make it easier to subtract later-as-needed, I have ALREADY subtracted it.)

Robz(2): 6
Awaclus(1): 10
Roadrunner(1): 7
silverspawn(4): 15
theorel(3): 10
SpaceAnemone(2): 9
Joseph(4): 14
The_Wine_Merchant(2): 1
schadd (3): 8
DatSwan (1): 9
Lekkit (1): 2
IDPTG (1): 6

There's something seriously wrong for me to be in the top 4 on a post count.  I'm like the poster child for borderline lurker.  Wine Merchant and Lekkit are severely lurking.  It would be nice to hear from them.  In fact,
Request Prod: The_Wine_Merchant.

So, I don't like either of the 2 leading lynches, since I think they're both town.  But, lack of argumentation leaves me highly uncertain who is actually scum.
Let's see...
Robz - maybe town?  He's not as helpful as he was in M111, which is apparently a scum-tell.
Roadrunner - he re-voted for me, after his RVS vote...makes wagon seem bigger, when it's just the same size.  No explanation, seems scummy.
Awaclus - I think it's weird that he pushed back on Joseph's argument for voting for me, while voting for me himself.  That seems townie.
Joseph - his reaction to my vote seem townie.
For silver's wagon:
Lekkit - voting with no explanation, 2 whole posts in the game...scummy.
Datswan - seems to be using my same actual reasoning to vote for silverspawn...but I think by the time the vote was placed it was too late.  Not sure if this is townie or scummy...would be scummy if I was scum maybe, but I'm town.  I think scum would go about this differently...
silver-townie
theorel-is town.

People not covered by that:
SpaceAnemone: buddying me maybe?
The_Wine_Merchant: not posting is a null-tell, but it's anti-town so stop it.
schadd: Hmm...it would be nice to know more about his town/not-town reads.
IDPTG: I can't shake my town feel from M111...he feels the same here, so I'm going to read that as town.

So, let's see:
Like to Lynch: Lekkit, Roadrunner, hmm...that's about it.
Don't want to lynch: me, silverspawn, Robz.
Willing to lynch: anyone else.

Vote Count is fixed, so let's make it wrong
vote: Roadrunner

Woop, I'm #2 on most active users.
But there's been serious lack of activity

[faust]

Public reminder that the deadline is in less than 24 hours.

Prods have been sent to Robz, Awaclus, RR, TWM, Lekkit, Idplay.

[Awaclus]

But I am playing this game actively.

[Joseph2302]

I shall attempt to be around close to deadline, but no guarantees. It's at 9am here, and I am usually travelling to work around 8:30-9am

[Robz888]

Sorry, all. I'm available, I'm just struggling to contribute meaningfully.

Well, it seems like a bad idea to lynch one of our more active townies, so I'm switching to Vote: The_Wine_Merchant

Eliminating a lurker sounds good.

[silverspawn]

unvote ok fine, I'm town. I just couldn't resist trying this. I'll be serious from now on.

The key thing about my wagon is I think this: team mime knew that I was lying since they are the mimes. As a mime, I think I'd conclude that a claimed mime is a mafia, and I might vote for them. This isn't as relevant as I had hoped though, since the wagon never really picked up... I thought it would. I guess I have too much of a reputation of trying things.

One day to deadline sucks, you'd think a mime claim would force more discussion but nope

I'm up for lynching theorel for his voting and caution. Or we could always lynch Awaclus, that's never a bad thing.

vote: theorel

[silverspawn]

Also I now appear twice in the vote count. Again.