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The Dominion Cards Lists 2013 Edition
« on: December 19, 2012, 12:42:05 pm »
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One year passed since the first Dominion Card Lists were compiled, the skill level of all players raised and a lot of new knowledge is gained. Also Dark Ages came out. Many have few knowledge about the new cards, but others have already a lot of experience with them. That means it's time for the 2013 edition of the Dominion Card List(s). In my signature you'll find the links to the last year lists. The most important changes are in red.

What do you have to do?
If you like to contribute, send me a PM for one or the other list (or both) or fill in the respective online form.
Please be sure that you put each card in order and don't miss any. If you don't know a expansion (e.g. Dark Ages) very well you can choose to leave it out. But be sure that if you want to include a card of a specific expansion, you have ro rank all cards of the expansion. There are no restriction with Promo cards, so if you don't know Governor very well, you can leave it out. (As I see now, the interface has changed on the polls. You cannot leave out cards now. Just put them all on the bottom and leave a note in the comment.)
Cards are only counted if they are kingdom cards, so no Copper, Silver, Gold, Platinum, Potion, Estate, Duchy, Province, Colony, Curse, Prizes, Shelters, Ruins, Spoils, Madman, Mercenary or individual Knights are allowed.
If you want to look up the card texts and also the last year's lists, just go to our new wiki. http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com
If you submit your list, you also agree that I may give this to third party, like rrenaud. If you don't agree leave a comment or send me a PM.

If you've submitted last year, I will not take your last submission into account.
But if you didn't save your last year's submission and you need it, feel free to PM me and I will send it to you.


1.) The best cards of each price level

Best Cards
Just arrange the cards for your ranking with the best card going first and the worst on the last position.
I included extra lists for Prizes, individual Knights and Ruins. These are optional, you don't have to rank them if you don't want.
And like written above, you don't have to rank all cards, but if you leave cards out, you have to leave the whole expansion out.

If you want PM me, this list should be subdivided into several lists, containing:
20 $1-$2 cards, 32 $3 cards, 53 $4 cards, 61 $5 cards, 16 $6+ cards, 10 Potion cards = 192

Usual disclaimer: This list should cause discussion not hassle. Of course it's difficult to compare some of the cards because pretty much every card has some situations where it shines and situations where it doesn't. This isn't a scientific list, just a compiled list of the community's opinion of the best cards.

Card List:
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20 $1-$2 cards
Cellar (Base)
Chapel (Base)
Moat (Base)
Courtyard (Intrigue)
Pawn (Intrigue)
Secret Chamber (Intrigue)
Embargo (Seaside)
Haven (Seaside)
Lighthouse (Seaside)
Native Village (Seaside)
Pearl Diver (Seaside)
Herbalist (Alchemy)
Hamlet (Cornucopia)
Crossroads (Hinterlands)
Duchess (Hinterlands)
Fool's Gold (Hinterlands)
Beggar (Dark Ages)
Poor House (Dark Ages)
Squire (Dark Ages)
Vagrant (Dark Ages)


32 $3 cards
Chancellor (Base)
Village (Base)
Woodcutter (Base)
Workshop (Base)
Great Hall (Intrigue)
Masquerade (Intrigue)
Shanty Town (Intrigue)
Steward (Intrigue)
Swindler (Intrigue)
Wishing Well (Intrigue)
Ambassador (Seaside)
Fishing Village (Seaside)
Lookout (Seaside)
Smugglers (Seaside)
Warehouse (Seaside)
Loan (Prosperity)
Trade Route (Prosperity)
Watchtower (Prosperity)
Fortune Teller (Cornucopia)
Menagerie (Cornucopia)
Develop (Hinterlands)
Oasis (Hinterlands)
Oracle (Hinterlands)
Scheme (Hinterlands)
Tunnel (Hinterlands)
Forager (Dark Ages)
Hermit/Madman (Dark Ages)
Market Square (Dark Ages)
Sage (Dark Ages)
Storeroom (Dark Ages)
Urchin/Mercenary (Dark Ages)
Black Market (Promo)


53 $4 cards
Bureaucrat (Base)
Feast (Base)
Gardens (Base)
Militia (Base)
Moneylender (Base)
Remodel (Base)
Smithy (Base)
Spy (Base)
Thief (Base)
Throne Room (Base)
Baron (Intrigue)
Bridge (Intrigue)
Conspirator (Intrigue)
Coppersmith (Intrigue)
Ironworks (Intrigue)
Mining Village (Intrigue)
Scout (Intrigue)
Caravan (Seaside)
Cutpurse (Seaside)
Island (Seaside)
Navigator (Seaside)
Pirate Ship (Seaside)
Salvager (Seaside)
Sea Hag (Seaside)
Treasure Map (Seaside)
Bishop (Prosperity)
Monument (Prosperity)
Quarry (Prosperity)
Talisman (Prosperity)
Worker's Village (Prosperity)
Farming Village (Cornucopia)
Horse Traders (Cornucopia)
Remake (Cornucopia)
Tournament (Cornucopia)
Young Witch (Cornucopia)
Jack of all Trades (Hinterlands)
Noble Brigand (Hinterlands)
Nomad Camp (Hinterlands)
Silk Road (Hinterlands)
Spice Merchant (Hinterlands)
Trader (Hinterlands)
Armory (Dark Ages)
Death Cart (Dark Ages)
Feodum (Dark Ages)
Fortress (Dark Ages)
Ironmonger (Dark Ages)
Marauder (Dark Ages)
Procession (Dark Ages)
Rats (Dark Ages)
Scavenger (Dark Ages)
Wandering Minstrel (Dark Ages)
Envoy (Promo)
Walled Village (Promo)


61 $5 cards
Council Room (Base)
Festival (Base)
Laboratory (Base)
Library (Base)
Market (Base)
Mine (Base)
Witch (Base)
Duke (Intrigue)
Minion (Intrigue)
Saboteur (Intrigue)
Torturer (Intrigue)
Trading Post (Intrigue)
Tribute (Intrigue)
Upgrade (Intrigue)
Bazaar (Seaside)
Explorer (Seaside)
Ghost Ship (Seaside)
Merchant Ship (Seaside)
Outpost (Seaside)
Tactician (Seaside)
Treasury (Seaside)
Wharf (Seaside)
Apprentice (Alchemy)
City (Prosperity)
Contraband (Prosperity)
Counting House (Prosperity)
Mint (Prosperity)
Mountebank (Prosperity)
Rabble (Prosperity)
Royal Seal (Prosperity)
Vault (Prosperity)
Venture (Prosperity)
Harvest (Cornucopia)
Horn of Plenty (Cornucopia)
Hunting Party (Cornucopia)
Jester (Cornucopia)
Cache (Hinterlands)
Cartographer (Hinterlands)
Embassy (Hinterlands)
Haggler (Hinterlands)
Highway (Hinterlands)
Ill-Gotten Gains (Hinterlands)
Inn (Hinterlands)
Mandarin (Hinterlands)
Margrave (Hinterlands)
Stables (Hinterlands)
Bandit Camp (Dark Ages)
Band of Misfits (Dark Ages)
Catacombs (Dark Ages)
Counterfeit (Dark Ages)
Count (Dark Ages)
Cultist (Dark Ages)
Graverobber (Dark Ages)
Junk Dealer (Dark Ages)
Knights (Dark Ages)
Mystic (Dark Ages)
Pillage (Dark Ages)
Rebuild (Dark Ages)
Rogue (Dark Ages)
Governor (Promo)
Stash (Promo)


16 $6+ cards
Adventurer (Base)
Harem (Intrigue)
Nobles (Intrigue)
Goons (Prosperity)
Grand Market (Prosperity)
Hoard (Prosperity)
Bank (Prosperity)
Expand (Prosperity)
Forge (Prosperity)
King's Court (Prosperity)
Peddler (Prosperity)
Fairgrounds (Cornucopia)
Border Village (Hinterlands)
Farmland (Hinterlands)
Altar (Dark Ages)
Hunting Grounds (Dark Ages)


10 Potion cards
Transmute (Alchemy)
Vineyard (Alchemy)
Apothecary (Alchemy)
Scrying Pool (Alchemy)
University (Alchemy)
Alchemist (Alchemy)
Familiar (Alchemy)
Philosopher's Stone (Alchemy)
Golem (Alchemy)
Possession (Alchemy)

2.) The favourite cards

Favourite Cards (ordered version)
Favourite Cards (rating version)
You can rank the cards, based on whatever you like: strength/weakness, originality in design, fun and "no-fun" factor, whatever.
As ordering 192 cards can be very painful, I included a second option to rate the cards. I used the finest rating which was available (0-14) but you can also use 0-5 or 10-5 as long as the highest value means that you like it more. You can also send me a PM with a rating from 0-20 or any scale you like. Or just arrange the cards for your ranking with the favourite card going first and the least favourite on the last position. No matter what version you choose, all 192 cards need to be in the list. And like written above, you don't have to rank all cards, but if you leave cards out, you have to leave the whole expansion out.


What else?
Submission deadline is the 31st of December 11:59pm UTC.
Each card will get a percentage value based on the rank. So your favourite or best card gets 100% and your least favourite or worst gets 0%. This will result in a compiled list of all of your lists.
Then I will post the rankings in 10-15 card blocks from worst to best to raise the tension.
I will also include the ususal statistic data. And I will also update the comments to each card if necessary.

Let's see how many submissions we get this time. The more we get the better the rankings will be. I can't wait to get your submissions. If you see any errors or have any questions, ask them here.

Best Ruins
Best $1-$2 Cards Part I / Part II
Best $3 Cards Part I / Part II / Part III
Best $4 Cards Part I / Part II / Part III / Part IV / Part V
Best $5 Cards Part I / Part II / Part III / Part IV / Part V / Part VI
Best Knights
Best $6 Cards
Best Potion Cards
Best Prizes
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2013 Edition
« Reply #1 on: December 19, 2012, 01:04:09 pm »
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Time to bust out the old lists and start randomly shoving Dark Ages cards in there! :)
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2013 Edition
« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2012, 01:10:44 pm »
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Time for me to vastly overrank Squire, and underrank like everything else from DA...
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2013 Edition
« Reply #3 on: December 19, 2012, 01:27:56 pm »
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Time for me to vastly overrank Squire, and underrank like everything else from DA...

How much do you want to bet Scout gets a little bump this year?  I call shenanigans.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2013 Edition
« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2012, 01:38:13 pm »
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Wow, Urchin looks strong, though I've never played with it. Uh, 13th best $3 card, right?
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« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2012, 01:49:53 pm »
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Oh man. Time to again try to decide how to consider multiplayer games, to figure out how to rank the reactions.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2013 Edition
« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2012, 01:50:33 pm »
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Time for me to vastly overrank Squire, and underrank like everything else from DA...

How much do you want to bet Scout gets a little bump this year?  I call shenanigans.

I actually ranked Scout above something.  Forget what.  I did rank Wishing Well lower than Chancellor this time.

I like to think I ranked the Dark Ages cards fairly.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2013 Edition
« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2012, 01:52:00 pm »
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Sweet! I just realized you can click and drag instead of selecting numbers from the dropdown menu. The interface doesn't suck after all.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2013 Edition
« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2012, 02:05:27 pm »
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What do you have to do?
If you like to contribute, send me a PM for one or the other list (or both) or fill in the respective online form.
Please be sure that you put each card in order and don't miss any. If you don't know a expansion (e.g. Dark Ages) very well you can choose to leave it out. But be sure that if you want to include a card of a specific expansion, you have ro rank all cards of the expansion. There are no restriction with Promo cards, so if you don't know Governor very well, you can leave it out. (As I see now, the interface has changed on the polls. You cannot leave out cards now. Just put them all on the bottom and leave a note in the comment.)[/i]

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I'm confused.  I want to not rank the DA cards because I really don't know them.  What do I so?  Send a PM?  Send a comment?  Just do my best?  Put them at the bottom and hope that you catch it?
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« Reply #9 on: December 19, 2012, 02:07:16 pm »
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Oh man. Time to again try to decide how to consider multiplayer games, to figure out how to rank the reactions.

Remember, Thief can be important in multiplayer! But Scout doesn't improve in multiplayer. This is my only basis for ranking Scout beneath Thief. If you consider the totality of Dominion 2p, 3p, 4p, Thief is better.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2013 Edition
« Reply #10 on: December 19, 2012, 02:08:04 pm »
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I thought Scout was strong?
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2013 Edition
« Reply #11 on: December 19, 2012, 02:08:54 pm »
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2013 Edition
« Reply #12 on: December 19, 2012, 02:10:17 pm »
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What do you have to do?
If you like to contribute, send me a PM for one or the other list (or both) or fill in the respective online form.
Please be sure that you put each card in order and don't miss any. If you don't know a expansion (e.g. Dark Ages) very well you can choose to leave it out. But be sure that if you want to include a card of a specific expansion, you have ro rank all cards of the expansion. There are no restriction with Promo cards, so if you don't know Governor very well, you can leave it out. (As I see now, the interface has changed on the polls. You cannot leave out cards now. Just put them all on the bottom and leave a note in the comment.)[/i]

...

I'm confused.  I want to not rank the DA cards because I really don't know them.  What do I so?  Send a PM?  Send a comment?  Just do my best?  Put them at the bottom and hope that you catch it?

If you want to use the poll, just put all DA cards on the bottom and on the last page when you put your name in, just make a little note, just in case it wasn't obvious for me.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2013 Edition
« Reply #13 on: December 19, 2012, 02:15:41 pm »
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Time for me to vastly overrank Squire, and underrank like everything else from DA...

How much do you want to bet Scout gets a little bump this year?  I call shenanigans.

I actually ranked Scout above something.  Forget what.  I did rank Wishing Well lower than Chancellor this time.

I like to think I ranked the Dark Ages cards fairly.

I ranked Scout above Rats.  That's something!


Random thoughts:

I think trashing is now more important than ever, so I've done some crazy stuff like put Remake above Sea Hag this time. 

I also think Marauder is incredibly overrated (still good, mind). 

Ranking those $5s was quite an endeavor.

Library probably saw my biggest jump in ratings. 

I now consider Apprentice a key $5 card, but it's still no curser, I suppose.
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« Reply #14 on: December 19, 2012, 02:18:08 pm »
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I'll rank chapel at #3 and Island at #2 again. Yes, I stand by that.
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« Reply #15 on: December 19, 2012, 02:19:57 pm »
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I still ranked Remake 4th, but I totally get you, man.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2013 Edition
« Reply #16 on: December 19, 2012, 02:33:06 pm »
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Right guys here's the plan:

1) Everyone puts Scout on the top of their list
2) If Qvist accuses us of trolling, we ask if he missed the strategy revelations about it, and how it's pretty obviously the best $4 in enough situations to put it on top
3) If Qvist tries to read this post, we come up with some plan to avoid that happening
4) ? ? ?
5) PROFIT!!!
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...spin-offs are still better for all of the previously cited reasons.
But not strictly better, because the spinoff can have a different cost than the expansion.
I hereby declare myself the best dominion player in the world. Obviously.

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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2013 Edition
« Reply #17 on: December 19, 2012, 02:34:32 pm »
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If you troll me, I won't do this anymore. So, there you have it.  :o ::) ;D
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2013 Edition
« Reply #18 on: December 19, 2012, 02:35:43 pm »
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I wish you could just drag the cards on the list, rather than picking a number for them.













Oh man, you can drag them after all.
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« Reply #19 on: December 19, 2012, 02:37:02 pm »
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If you troll me, I won't do this anymore. So, there you have it.  :o ::) ;D

Nuclear option.  Well played, sir.
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« Reply #20 on: December 19, 2012, 02:39:45 pm »
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« Reply #21 on: December 19, 2012, 02:44:16 pm »
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If you troll me, I won't do this anymore. So, there you have it.  :o ::) ;D

Right, so, it sounds like we need someone to step up and run the first 2013 Dominion Card Ratings List... any volunteers?
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...spin-offs are still better for all of the previously cited reasons.
But not strictly better, because the spinoff can have a different cost than the expansion.
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« Reply #22 on: December 19, 2012, 02:48:57 pm »
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Venture has plummeted in my estimation since we first did these rankings.
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« Reply #23 on: December 19, 2012, 03:00:47 pm »
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Oh man. Time to again try to decide how to consider multiplayer games, to figure out how to rank the reactions.

Remember, Thief can be important in multiplayer! But Scout doesn't improve in multiplayer. This is my only basis for ranking Scout beneath Thief. If you consider the totality of Dominion 2p, 3p, 4p, Thief is better.

Except that 4p is an inferior game to 2p and 3p (mostly because of even stronger 1p bias and fewer Provinces per player), so I'm inclined to weight it much less.  (3p, OTOH, definitely is worth taking into account).  And Thief doesn't improve that much, the only thing I can really see is that Thief-Gardens becomes somewhat viable.

I'm debating whether even to submit a ranking; it wouldn't feel right to ignore Dark Ages but it also doesn't feel right to ignore them either.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2013 Edition
« Reply #24 on: December 19, 2012, 03:04:32 pm »
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And Thief doesn't improve that much, the only thing I can really see is that Thief-Gardens becomes somewhat viable.

Thief Gardens is already playable in 2p on some boards. Thief Gardens in 4p is crazy sauce.
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