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The Dominion Cards Lists 2015 Edition
« on: October 12, 2015, 09:17:46 am »
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Three years passed since the first Dominion Card Lists were compiled, the skill level of all players raised and a lot of new knowledge is gained. A new expansion was released and everyone is eager to learn how the new cards rank. That means it's time for the 2015 edition of the Dominion Card Lists.

What do you have to do?
If you like to contribute, go to http://www.qvist.de/dommesh
I'm not the best web designer to make it look nice, but it works. There you can order the cards either all at once in a big list or by comparing two cards at a time. If you do the latter, the app will tell you when you're done and no new "card duel" is available anymore. I didn't include a registration or anything like that for this simple app. You can just login by your Goko name and any password you like. The next time you login you just have to remember the password you've set on your first login. I expect that nobody will trick me by using a user name of anyone else. I will also still accept PMs if you still want to do that in the old fashioned way. If you send me a PM please be sure that you put each card in order and don't miss any. If you don't know an expansion very well you can choose to leave it out. But be sure that if you want to include a card of a specific expansion, you have ro rank all cards of the expansion. There are no restriction with Promo cards, so if you don't know Summon very well, you can leave it out.

Cards are only counted if they are kingdom cards, so no Copper, Silver, Gold, Platinum, Potion, Estate, Duchy, Province, Colony, Curse, Prizes, Shelters, Ruins, Spoils, Madman, Mercenary, individual Knights, Treasure Hunter, Warrior, Hero, Champion, Soldier, Fugitive, Disciple or Teacher are allowed. If you want to look up the card texts and also the last year's lists, just go to our wiki. http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com
If you submit your list, you also agree that I may give this to third party, like theory or rrenaud. If you don't agree send me a PM.

If you've submitted last year, I will not take your last submission into account.
But if you didn't save your last year's submission and you need it, feel free to PM me and I will send it to you.
Just arrange the cards for your ranking with the best card going first and the worst on the last position.

I included extra lists for Prizes, individual Knights, Ruins and Events. These are optional, you don't have to rank them if you don't want.
You can also if you want rank all the kingdom cards in one big list, just like Wandering Winder did. This is also optional as this takes a lot of time.
If you want PM me, this list should be subdivided into several lists, containing:
33 $0-$2 cards, 43 $3 cards, 66 $4 cards, 83 $5 cards, 22 $6+ cards, 10 Potion cards = 257

Usual disclaimer: This list should cause discussion not hassle. Of course it's difficult to compare some of the cards because pretty much every card has some situations where it shines and situations where it doesn't. This isn't a scientific list, just a compiled list of the community's opinion of the best cards.

Card List:
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33 $0-$2 cards
Cellar (Base)
Chapel (Base)
Moat (Base)
Courtyard (Intrigue)
Pawn (Intrigue)
Secret Chamber (Intrigue)
Embargo (Seaside)
Haven (Seaside)
Lighthouse (Seaside)
Native Village (Seaside)
Pearl Diver (Seaside)
Herbalist (Alchemy)
Hamlet (Cornucopia)
Crossroads (Hinterlands)
Duchess (Hinterlands)
Fool's Gold (Hinterlands)
Beggar (Dark Ages)
Poor House (Dark Ages)
Squire (Dark Ages)
Vagrant (Dark Ages)
Candlestick Maker (Guilds)
Stonemason (Guilds)
Coin of the Realm (Adventures)
Page (Adventures)
Peasant (Adventures)
Ratcatcher (Adventures)
Raze (Adventures)
Alms (Adventures)
Borrow (Adventures)
Quest (Adventures)
Save (Adventures)
Scouting Party (Adventures)
Travelling Fair (Adventures)


43 $3 cards
Chancellor (Base)
Village (Base)
Woodcutter (Base)
Workshop (Base)
Great Hall (Intrigue)
Masquerade (Intrigue)
Shanty Town (Intrigue)
Steward (Intrigue)
Swindler (Intrigue)
Wishing Well (Intrigue)
Ambassador (Seaside)
Fishing Village (Seaside)
Lookout (Seaside)
Smugglers (Seaside)
Warehouse (Seaside)
Loan (Prosperity)
Trade Route (Prosperity)
Watchtower (Prosperity)
Fortune Teller (Cornucopia)
Menagerie (Cornucopia)
Develop (Hinterlands)
Oasis (Hinterlands)
Oracle (Hinterlands)
Scheme (Hinterlands)
Tunnel (Hinterlands)
Forager (Dark Ages)
Hermit/Madman (Dark Ages)
Market Square (Dark Ages)
Sage (Dark Ages)
Storeroom (Dark Ages)
Urchin/Mercenary (Dark Ages)
Doctor (Guilds)
Masterpiece (Guilds)
Amulet (Adventures)
Caravan Guard (Adventures)
Dungeon (Adventures)
Gear (Adventures)
Guide (Adventures)
Bonfire (Adventures)
Expedition (Adventures)
Ferry (Adventures)
Plan (Adventures)
Black Market (Promo)

66 $4 cards
Bureaucrat (Base)
Feast (Base)
Gardens (Base)
Militia (Base)
Moneylender (Base)
Remodel (Base)
Smithy (Base)
Spy (Base)
Thief (Base)
Throne Room (Base)
Baron (Intrigue)
Bridge (Intrigue)
Conspirator (Intrigue)
Coppersmith (Intrigue)
Ironworks (Intrigue)
Mining Village (Intrigue)
Scout (Intrigue)
Caravan (Seaside)
Cutpurse (Seaside)
Island (Seaside)
Navigator (Seaside)
Pirate Ship (Seaside)
Salvager (Seaside)
Sea Hag (Seaside)
Treasure Map (Seaside)
Bishop (Prosperity)
Monument (Prosperity)
Quarry (Prosperity)
Talisman (Prosperity)
Worker's Village (Prosperity)
Farming Village (Cornucopia)
Horse Traders (Cornucopia)
Remake (Cornucopia)
Tournament (Cornucopia)
Young Witch (Cornucopia)
Jack of all Trades (Hinterlands)
Noble Brigand (Hinterlands)
Nomad Camp (Hinterlands)
Silk Road (Hinterlands)
Spice Merchant (Hinterlands)
Trader (Hinterlands)
Armory (Dark Ages)
Death Cart (Dark Ages)
Feodum (Dark Ages)
Fortress (Dark Ages)
Ironmonger (Dark Ages)
Marauder (Dark Ages)
Procession (Dark Ages)
Rats (Dark Ages)
Scavenger (Dark Ages)
Wandering Minstrel (Dark Ages)
Advisor (Guilds)
Herald (Guilds)
Plaza (Guilds)
Taxman (Guilds)
Duplicate (Adventures)
Magpie (Adventures)
Messenger (Adventures)
Miser (Adventures)
Port (Adventures)
Ranger (Adventures)
Transmogrify (Adventures)
Mission (Adventures)
Pilgrimage (Adventures)
Envoy (Promo)
Walled Village (Promo)


83 $5 cards
Council Room (Base)
Festival (Base)
Laboratory (Base)
Library (Base)
Market (Base)
Mine (Base)
Witch (Base)
Duke (Intrigue)
Minion (Intrigue)
Saboteur (Intrigue)
Torturer (Intrigue)
Trading Post (Intrigue)
Tribute (Intrigue)
Upgrade (Intrigue)
Bazaar (Seaside)
Explorer (Seaside)
Ghost Ship (Seaside)
Merchant Ship (Seaside)
Outpost (Seaside)
Tactician (Seaside)
Treasury (Seaside)
Wharf (Seaside)
Apprentice (Alchemy)
City (Prosperity)
Contraband (Prosperity)
Counting House (Prosperity)
Mint (Prosperity)
Mountebank (Prosperity)
Rabble (Prosperity)
Royal Seal (Prosperity)
Vault (Prosperity)
Venture (Prosperity)
Harvest (Cornucopia)
Horn of Plenty (Cornucopia)
Hunting Party (Cornucopia)
Jester (Cornucopia)
Cache (Hinterlands)
Cartographer (Hinterlands)
Embassy (Hinterlands)
Haggler (Hinterlands)
Highway (Hinterlands)
Ill-Gotten Gains (Hinterlands)
Inn (Hinterlands)
Mandarin (Hinterlands)
Margrave (Hinterlands)
Stables (Hinterlands)
Bandit Camp (Dark Ages)
Band of Misfits (Dark Ages)
Catacombs (Dark Ages)
Counterfeit (Dark Ages)
Count (Dark Ages)
Cultist (Dark Ages)
Graverobber (Dark Ages)
Junk Dealer (Dark Ages)
Knights (Dark Ages)
Mystic (Dark Ages)
Pillage (Dark Ages)
Rebuild (Dark Ages)
Rogue (Dark Ages)
Baker (Guilds)
Butcher (Guilds)
Journeyman (Guilds)
Merchant Guild (Guilds)
Soothsayer (Guilds)
Artificer (Adventures)
Bridge Troll (Adventures)
Distant Lands (Adventures)
Giant (Adventures)
Haunted Woods (Adventures)
Lost City (Adventures)
Relic (Adventures)
Royal Carriage (Adventures)
Storyteller (Adventures)
Swamp Hag (Adventures)
Treasure Trove (Adventures)
Wine Merchant (Adventures)
Ball (Adventures)
Raid (Adventures)
Seaway (Adventures)
Trade (Adventures)
Governor (Promo)
Stash (Promo)
Summon (Promo)


21 $6+ cards
Adventurer (Base)
Harem (Intrigue)
Nobles (Intrigue)
Goons (Prosperity)
Grand Market (Prosperity)
Hoard (Prosperity)
Bank (Prosperity)
Expand (Prosperity)
Forge (Prosperity)
King's Court (Prosperity)
Peddler (Prosperity)
Fairgrounds (Cornucopia)
Border Village (Hinterlands)
Farmland (Hinterlands)
Altar (Dark Ages)
Hunting Grounds (Dark Ages)
Hireling (Adventures)
Lost Arts (Adventures)
Training (Adventures)
Inheritance (Adventures)
Pathfinding (Adventures)
Prince (Promo)


10 Potion cards
Transmute (Alchemy)
Vineyard (Alchemy)
Apothecary (Alchemy)
Scrying Pool (Alchemy)
University (Alchemy)
Alchemist (Alchemy)
Familiar (Alchemy)
Philosopher's Stone (Alchemy)
Golem (Alchemy)
Possession (Alchemy)

What else?
Submission deadline is the 31st of October 11:59pm UTC.
Each card will get a percentage value based on the rank. So your best card gets 100% and your worst gets 0%. This will result in a compiled list of all of your lists.
When I post the results, I will also include the ususal statistic data. I will leave out my comments this time to not let you wait that long between posting my results.
If you encounter some bugs, just send me a PM and I'll fix them ASAP.

Let's see how many submissions we get this time. The more we get the better the rankings will be. I can't wait to get your submissions. If you have any questions, ask them here.


Results:

Ruins
$0-$2 cards
$3 cards
$4 cards
Prizes
$5 cards
Knights
$6+ cards
Potion cost cards
Events
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2015 Edition
« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2015, 11:24:46 am »
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Mad props to you. First time I'm contributing to this list :)

(my newly chosen avatar shows which card I probably overrated by a lot compared to others :P)
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2015 Edition
« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2015, 01:57:30 pm »
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Just got done voting!
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2015 Edition
« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2015, 02:09:19 pm »
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Awesome!

One important note: it seems you forgot Prince!

I'm over halfway done I think, only need to do the two longest lists, $4 and $5 (and update $6+ once Prince is included). :)
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2015 Edition
« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2015, 02:17:02 pm »
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Prince is indeed not included yet.

But I really like the "duelling", it makes it a lot easier for me to rank the cards I'm unsure about.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2015 Edition
« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2015, 02:20:18 pm »
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Yeah I've recognized that as well, but I just logged in again and it appears to be there now.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2015 Edition
« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2015, 02:20:42 pm »
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One important note: it seems you forgot Prince!

Fixed
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2015 Edition
« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2015, 02:39:38 pm »
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"Ein Ladung" (one of the events) is in German. It was the only one that I saw that wasn't in English
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« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2015, 02:46:26 pm »
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"Ein Ladung" (one of the events) is in German. It was the only one that I saw that wasn't in English

That's because it hasn't been released in English yet.

Also, NOW I'm done voting - just dropped Prince in my list.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2015 Edition
« Reply #9 on: October 12, 2015, 03:01:50 pm »
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"Ein Ladung" (one of the events) is in German. It was the only one that I saw that wasn't in English

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If you don't know the card, just click on the respective link.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2015 Edition
« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2015, 03:33:22 pm »
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Thanks a ton Qvist! I assume these will go on your YouTube channel like before, correct?

Now I have a question. If you only do a partial rank, will you still include that? And is there a button to turn in your results, or can you view it?
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2015 Edition
« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2015, 03:38:36 pm »
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Wow, this is neat! I seem to have found a small bug, though - I clicked "don't know" on Messenger when it was up against Trader, and this happened:

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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2015 Edition
« Reply #12 on: October 12, 2015, 04:13:12 pm »
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thanks! for those of us who don't know algorithms, how many comparisons do we expect to have to make before the whole thing is sorted?

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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2015 Edition
« Reply #13 on: October 12, 2015, 05:09:34 pm »
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Wow, this is neat! I seem to have found a small bug, though - I clicked "don't know" on Messenger when it was up against Trader, and this happened:



Weird, that shouldn't happen. I will look into it.

thanks! for those of us who don't know algorithms, how many comparisons do we expect to have to make before the whole thing is sorted?



It should be in average n * log (n) although my code might certainly not be optimal. That's roughly 160 comparisms for the biggest list ($5).
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« Reply #14 on: October 12, 2015, 05:38:00 pm »
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I too had that same error after ignoring an Event, fyi.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2015 Edition
« Reply #15 on: October 12, 2015, 05:41:12 pm »
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I have finished all of my lists except the cumulative one. Not sure if I'll go all the way through with it or not. Here's hoping people have seen the light and Sea Hag is no longer #1 for $4.
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« Reply #16 on: October 12, 2015, 05:44:46 pm »
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It should be in average n * log (n) although my code might certainly not be optimal. That's roughly 160 comparisms for the biggest list ($5).

I don't think that's correct (because only comparisons are important, we don't need to account for the merging). It should be exactly as many comparisons as there are cards in the list.


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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2015 Edition
« Reply #17 on: October 12, 2015, 05:48:45 pm »
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I have finished all of my lists except the cumulative one. Not sure if I'll go all the way through with it or not. Here's hoping people have seen the light and Sea Hag is no longer #1 for $4.

I did mine as the cumulative one, and Sea Hag somehow ended up at #29 on my $4 list. Maybe I'm overcompensating and underestimating it now...
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« Reply #18 on: October 12, 2015, 05:50:35 pm »
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I have finished all of my lists except the cumulative one. Not sure if I'll go all the way through with it or not. Here's hoping people have seen the light and Sea Hag is no longer #1 for $4.

I did mine as the cumulative one, and Sea Hag somehow ended up at #29 on my $4 list. Maybe I'm overcompensating and underestimating it now...

I have it at #13 myself. Yeah, 29 seems low to me. It's probably at least deserving of 15th place. Part of it is that there are so many more ways to fight Curses now.
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« Reply #19 on: October 12, 2015, 06:24:14 pm »
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I think it ended up 5th on mine.  ::)

Anyway, still need to do all of the 5's, that's gonna take some time.

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« Reply #20 on: October 12, 2015, 06:34:21 pm »
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I ended up with Sea Hag just under Jack.
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« Reply #21 on: October 12, 2015, 06:54:03 pm »
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Thanks a lot for your work Qvist! This is the first time I participate in the voting and I'm excited. Takes a pretty long time but I won't rush my decisions.

Wow, this is neat! I seem to have found a small bug, though - I clicked "don't know" on Messenger when it was up against Trader, and this happened:



Weird, that shouldn't happen. I will look into it.

thanks! for those of us who don't know algorithms, how many comparisons do we expect to have to make before the whole thing is sorted?



It should be in average n * log (n) although my code might certainly not be optimal. That's roughly 160 comparisms for the biggest list ($5).

This happened to me like three times when I clicked the "don't know" button. It's a fairly consistent bug but I don't think it has any impact on the voting.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2015 Edition
« Reply #22 on: October 13, 2015, 01:06:47 am »
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Something screwy is going on. I went to check my ratings and everything was all jumbled up. Like on my $3 cards Loan is towards the top. My ratings were finalized. After I rated through the duel system, I then went and made any corrections via the list method and saved it. I have no idea what happened. :(

Edit: I think what happened is that I rated the events and this caused some of my other ratings to get unseated.
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« Reply #23 on: October 13, 2015, 04:20:59 am »
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Something screwy is going on. I went to check my ratings and everything was all jumbled up. Like on my $3 cards Loan is towards the top. My ratings were finalized. After I rated through the duel system, I then went and made any corrections via the list method and saved it. I have no idea what happened. :(

Edit: I think what happened is that I rated the events and this caused some of my other ratings to get unseated.

You probably created a loop (A>B, B>C, C>A) after reranking some of the Events. I solve that by deleting A>B after voting C>A. That means that you have to revote for only B to solve the problem. B was probably Loan in your case.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2015 Edition
« Reply #24 on: October 13, 2015, 04:42:09 am »
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I think having the events in both the $$ lists and a seperate Events list causes some problems. Every time I'm rating the Events it destroys my $$ ratings and vice versa.
If we want to have both I think they should be rated without dependencies. Or we should either vote for them separeted as Events only or in the $$ ranges only.
Rating consistently isn't easy, it appears. ;)

/Edit: After going over all $$ lists again, the Events list looks just fine despite it's saying there are ratings to do, but I guess I just don't touch it.
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