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[LaLight]

Welcome to M117: Emotions Mafia

This game will use asher9++, a setup for 12 players, and is classified as normal. It was designed by ashersky as a semi-open setup.

Players:

1. Robz888
2. Simon Jester
3. Galzria
4. Skumpy
5. DatSwan
6. iguanaiguana
7. SpaceAnemone
8. EFHW
9. gkrieg13
10. Twistedarcher
11. silverspawn
12. Xxraptorslayer96

Tags:


The Rules:

The Golden Rule:
This is a game. Everyone who signs up to play must be considerate of each other, never get personal, and focus on having fun. Once the game starts, having signed up is a commitment: inactivity is just as inconsiderate as rude comments.

The Standard Rules:
1. No communication between players outside of the game thread or shared QTs at any time. This includes passing references, jokes, or cases in other games or threads, whether in context or not.
2. If the game thread is locked, do not post. If you are unsure if something is locked, ask the mod by PM.
3. Direct or verbatim quoting of mod-provided information is strictly forbidden. Paraphrasing is okay.
4. Actions with instructions that do not specify a game state will be resolved in the order they are received.
5. All night actions must be submitted within 24 hours of day ending.
6. Players must post once every 24 hours.
7. Do not edit or delete posts, ever. If you need to clarify or correct something, post again.
8. Invisible text, font size less than 10, and spoiler tags are not allowed.
9. Cryptography is not allowed.
10. The time between a lynch being reached and a flip being provided is called twilight. All players may continue posting during this time, including the lynched player.
11. Dead players may not post in thread or QT, except their Role QT. A lynched player is not "dead" until a flip has been provided.
12. Personal multimedia, such as video or audio recordings, are not allowed in the game thread.

The Voting Rules:
1. Votes should be in this format: Vote: Playername. Unambigiuous nicknames are acceptable, or any string that uniquely identifies a user. Note that the point of voting is, in fact, unambiguity, and attempting to make it unclear to other players (or, of course, mods) which user you are voting for is very ill-advised.
2. Unvotes should be in this format: unvote or Unvote: Playername.
3. Unvotes are not required if changing your vote from one player to another.
4. You may vote: no lynch.
5. Lynches occur when a simple majority (rounded up) of living players is reached. Once reached, a lynch cannot be undone.
6. If a majority lynch is not reached by the Day's deadline, no lynch occurs.

The Rest:
1. Bold, purple 'AA00AA' text is reserved for the mod. Players may not use it.
2. If you have an issue or problem with the game, please PM the Mod. Do not post complaints in the game thread.
3. Mods make mistakes - please point them out gently. If they can be corrected, they will. If irreversible, they will stand as final to be commiserated over after the game.
4. If a mod error disadvantages one faction greatly, the game may be called off.
5. Ask all questions and make all requests directly to the Mod via PM. Questions deemed as "universal" (defined as questions for which the answers should be available to all players) will be requested to be re-posted in the Game Thread and answered there.
6. One prod will be issued after 48 hours without posting in the game thread. Players are subject to replacement or modkill after one prod.
7. All rule violations will be dealt with according to their severity, as determined by the mod.
8. Each player will receive their own QT, regardless of role. Don't quote from it.
9. If the game goes on for 3 days and 3 nights without a lynch or nightkill, town wins.

Deadlines:
1. Days will last seven IRL days.
2. Nights will last two IRL days.

[LaLight]

Setup Information:

This game will use asher9++, a standard normal setup on f.ds.  A link to the setup is provided in the second line of the OP.

Flavor Information:

All flavor, including flavor names, will be a representation of human emotions.

All vanilla townies will have the same flavor name (Calm).
All power roles and non-town will have distinct flavor names.
Flavor names will be indicative of alignment.
Non-town players will be provided with safe claim.

[Robz888]

/in

[Simon Jester]

Let's try an /in.

[Galzria]

/in

[Skumpy]

/in

[iguanaiguana]

Setup link is broken!

[LaLight]

Setup link is broken!

Fixed it, thank you!

[Swowl]

/in

[iguanaiguana]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm

/in

[SpaceAnemone]

/in :-)

[IDontPlayThisGame]

/tag

[EFHW]

/in

[gkrieg13]

/in I guess.

[Twistedarcher]

/in

[Robz888]

/in

Sweet!!!

[silverspawn]

/in

[Xxraptorslayer96]

/in

[Awaclus]

/in

EDIT: Oh I guess raptor took the last spot already. Well I can replace if needed.

[UmbrageOfSnow]

/tag

Turns out I'm not dead, but don't feel up to playing again
Can I have the speccy though?

[LaLight]

PMs are going out. N0 starts now and ends when all the players will confirm but not earlier than in 24 hours.

[LaLight]

From your early childhood you suffered from the emotion problems. When you were expected to cry, you laughed maniacally. When you were expecting to smile, you started crying your eyes out. Your parents were really concerned about this, but never tried to show you to doctor as in other things you were perfectly fine. Time went and you were mostly calm. Sometimes you felt something, good or bad with no reason, but you always thought that's just how it was. And only when you favorite cat died and you felt kind of funny about it you realized something wrong so you went to see a therapist. He was amused about you. And then he started to ask about your early childhood...

Day 1 starts now!

Vote Count 1.0

Not Voting (12): Robz888, Simon Jester, Galzria, Skumpy, DatSwan, iguanaiguana, SpaceAnemone, EFHW, gkrieg13, Twistedarcher, silverspawn, Xxraptorslayer96

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 1 ends Tuesday, August 14th at 7 pm FT. Thread unlocked!

[iguanaiguana]

Hello

[Galzria]

Hello

Hello

[Skumpy]

Hello

Hello

Hello.

Man, this flavor got real fast. Hope LaLight's OK.
In other news, would anybody like to have a coalition with me? I don't vote you, you don't vote me, unless there's reasonable confidence that the other's scum?

[Xxraptorslayer96]

Hello

Hello

Hello

Hello

[iguanaiguana]

Hello

Hello

Hello.

Man, this flavor got real fast. Hope LaLight's OK.
In other news, would anybody like to have a coalition with me? I don't vote you, you don't vote me, unless there's reasonable confidence that the other's scum?

Are you town? I'll probably do it for D1 at least.

[Skumpy]

Hello

Hello

Hello.

Man, this flavor got real fast. Hope LaLight's OK.
In other news, would anybody like to have a coalition with me? I don't vote you, you don't vote me, unless there's reasonable confidence that the other's scum?

Are you town? I'll probably do it for D1 at least.

'Probably do it for D1 at least' implies you might vote me D1. Which would be a vote without reasonable confidence. I'm looking for a long-term commitment here, Iguanaman!

[Swowl]

Hey all!

Good to meet you Simon and Twisted

[gkrieg13]

vote: skumpy

That was easy

[Simon Jester]

Hello everyone!

Vote: Datswan for, uhm, welcoming me..

[Simon Jester]

In other news, would anybody like to have a coalition with me? I don't vote you, you don't vote me, unless there's reasonable confidence that the other's scum?

...Isn't that how we start the game with.. everyone?

Vote: Skumpy

Wagons!

[Swowl]

Skumpster!!!
You wanna befriends?

[iguanaiguana]

Okay everyone, I am giving Skump a hard D1 pass for no reason other than that he had the boldness to ask.

[Robz888]

vote: skumpy on principle.

First game, simon jester?

I’m about to get on a train from nyc to baltimore, where I am going straight to the airport and boarding a plane about 8 AM forum time. So I’m going to be getting very drunk for the next like 10 hours of travel. AMA, soon!

Will be slightly VLA this week. (In New Orleans.)

[EFHW]

Lalight you get me so well!

[Twistedarcher]

Hello

[Robz888]

Hello

Hello TA we mssed you.

[gkrieg13]

Okay everyone, I am giving Skump a hard D1 pass for no reason other than that he had the boldness to ask.

Iguana is his partner.

[Galzria]

Okay everyone, I am giving Skump a hard D1 pass for no reason other than that he had the boldness to ask.

Iguana is his partner.

I like how you think.

[Robz888]

Who is third tho

[Robz888]

I am quite drunk

[Skumpy]

Skumpster!!!
You wanna befriends?

If it's an offer that extends through an as-yet-to-to-specified number of days, then yes! Otherwise, I might have to just settle for Iguana and D1. Or anybody else who'd like to make a deal.

vote: skumpy on principle.

Sheesh. I guess I still owe you one. I wanna vote you but I won't; consider it an early gift for Wednesday.

Also, hi TA: I've clicked on your profile a few times.
And hi Simon: I'd give you newbie advice, but I know you've done a pretty good job of showing yourself the ropes.
Hi everyone else.

[gkrieg13]

Who is third tho

Simon obvs

[Robz888]

Who is third tho

Simon obvs

Yes

[Robz888]

Vote: Simon

[silverspawn]

hello.

iguana is the only one making sense so far.

Okay everyone, I am giving Skump a hard D1 pass for no reason other than that he had the boldness to ask.

I concur. I won't actually do the agreement with skumpy, though.

[Swowl]

Skumpster!!!
You wanna befriends?

If it's an offer that extends through an as-yet-to-to-specified number of days, then yes! Otherwise, I might have to just settle for Iguana and D1. Or anybody else who'd like to make a deal.

vote: skumpy on principle.

Sheesh. I guess I still owe you one. I wanna vote you but I won't; consider it an early gift for Wednesday.

Also, hi TA: I've clicked on your profile a few times.
And hi Simon: I'd give you newbie advice, but I know you've done a pretty good job of showing yourself the ropes.
Hi everyone else.

If you want an arbitrary number I would say... Start of Day 3?

[silverspawn]

All iguanas are equal. But some iguanas are more equal than others.

[silverspawn]

hi datSwan. You are the guy who gives me scum vibes by default in every game because of your avatar. .

I like vote: Simon. Trying to show non-concerndness early by changing their vote quick. Also votes on the guy who could actually get a wagon for a play that's probably really towny (namely skumpy)

[Swowl]

hello.

iguana is the only one making sense so far.

Okay everyone, I am giving Skump a hard D1 pass for no reason other than that he had the boldness to ask.

I concur. I won't actually do the agreement with skumpy, though.

Why? The only reason Town!SS would be worried about the agreement is if Skumpy is Skum.

PPE1
But you just said you are giving him a pass - so, if Skumpy is Skum then they obv will remove you from radar. Soooo, as Town!SS you giving Skumpster a pass is actually the same as agreeing to his gambit. As Skum, it gives you an out to say that you never agreed to it so people can pile him and then you can jump on.

[LaLight]

What do you feel?

Vote Count 1.1

Skumpy (2): gkrieg13, Simon Jester
Simon Jester (2): Robz888, silverspawn
Not Voting (8): Galzria, Skumpy, DatSwan, iguanaiguana, SpaceAnemone, EFHW, Twistedarcher, Xxraptorslayer96

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 1 ends Tuesday, August 14th at 7 pm FT.

[Swowl]

hi datSwan. You are the guy who gives me scum vibes by default in every game because of your avatar. .

I like vote: Simon. Trying to show non-concerndness early by changing their vote quick. Also votes on the guy who could actually get a wagon for a play that's probably really towny (namely skumpy)

Toby will be super pleased to know he could be skum.

[silverspawn]

Okay everyone, I am giving Skump a hard D1 pass for no reason other than that he had the boldness to ask.

Iguana is his partner.

I like how you think.

You really shouldn't. could both of you say how serious your comments were?

[Swowl]

hello.

iguana is the only one making sense so far.

Okay everyone, I am giving Skump a hard D1 pass for no reason other than that he had the boldness to ask.

I concur. I won't actually do the agreement with skumpy, though.

Why? The only reason Town!SS would be worried about the agreement is if Skumpy is Skum.

PPE1
But you just said you are giving him a pass - so, if Skumpy is Skum then they obv will remove you from radar. Soooo, as Town!SS you giving Skumpster a pass is actually the same as agreeing to his gambit. As Skum, it gives you an out to say that you never agreed to it so people can pile him and then you can jump on.

The PPE was supposed to be at the end of the post.

[silverspawn]

hello.

iguana is the only one making sense so far.

Okay everyone, I am giving Skump a hard D1 pass for no reason other than that he had the boldness to ask.

I concur. I won't actually do the agreement with skumpy, though.

Why? The only reason Town!SS would be worried about the agreement is if Skumpy is Skum.

PPE1
But you just said you are giving him a pass - so, if Skumpy is Skum then they obv will remove you from radar. Soooo, as Town!SS you giving Skumpster a pass is actually the same as agreeing to his gambit. As Skum, it gives you an out to say that you never agreed to it so people can pile him and then you can jump on.

you know what, you're right! I didn't think this far.

Ok, skumpy, how about we don't vote for each other until day 3?

[Simon Jester]

First game, simon jester?

No. Not even here. (Guess the alt-account and win a vote.)

And hi Simon: I'd give you newbie advice, but I know you've done a pretty good job of showing yourself the ropes.

Huh? How do you know that exactly? Should I be paranoid or something.. 

I like vote: Simon. Trying to show non-concerndness early by changing their vote quick. Also votes on the guy who could actually get a wagon for a play that's probably really towny (namely skumpy)

Nah. I just jumped in with a RVS-vote without reading the thread and then when I did I rather wanted it to be on the guy that clearly seeking attention. That's gotta be rewarded in some way, I thought. I don't know how such a move is towny, it's null at best and the internal wifoming ended in a slight scumvibe for me. It's cheap towncred to be the one to get the game out of RVS early, easily something scum could do.   

But, heh, instead my own wagon is starting to form. Ah, well, new guy- wagons are as necessary as ever I assume. Hit me, if you must.

Unvote

[Skumpy]

hello.

iguana is the only one making sense so far.

Okay everyone, I am giving Skump a hard D1 pass for no reason other than that he had the boldness to ask.

I concur. I won't actually do the agreement with skumpy, though.

Why? The only reason Town!SS would be worried about the agreement is if Skumpy is Skum.

PPE1
But you just said you are giving him a pass - so, if Skumpy is Skum then they obv will remove you from radar. Soooo, as Town!SS you giving Skumpster a pass is actually the same as agreeing to his gambit. As Skum, it gives you an out to say that you never agreed to it so people can pile him and then you can jump on.

you know what, you're right! I didn't think this far.

Ok, skumpy, how about we don't vote for each other until day 3?

Uhh...I mean, Swan did raise a good point. And I always distrust those who trust me. But unless Space wants to chime in, then sure: I will not vote you until D3 unless you do something that's really scummy (except you're good enough at this game, so that won't happen) or somebody gets some sort of incriminating result on you N1. 

And hi Simon: I'd give you newbie advice, but I know you've done a pretty good job of showing yourself the ropes.

Huh? How do you know that exactly? Should I be paranoid or something.. 

Of course you should; it's mafia. But if you must know, the 'Who's Online' tab can be interesting occasionally. But apparently I was way off on your newbie status, so that's that then.

Nah. I just jumped in with a RVS-vote without reading the thread and then when I did I rather wanted it to be on the guy that clearly seeking attention. That's gotta be rewarded in some way, I thought. I don't know how such a move is towny, it's null at best and the internal wifoming ended in a slight scumvibe for me. It's cheap towncred to be the one to get the game out of RVS early, easily something scum could do.   

WIFOM's too much fun, even as town.

[SpaceAnemone]

Good morning all.

Chiming in now! Though not sure I need to comment on the who-agreed-not-to-vote-whom thing. I'm not joining any pacts, but I'm fine having people make them visibly in the thread where other people can read them and judge.

I'm a bit perturbed that the newbie is apparently not a newbie. Is there some back-story I should be aware of? I haven't been very active at all on the forum for the last month or so..

Vote: silver -- nice to see you again :-)

[Simon Jester]

I'm a bit perturbed that the newbie is apparently not a newbie. Is there some back-story I should be aware of? I haven't been very active at all on the forum for the last month or so..

Not really, no. I guess what Skympy is referring to is that I have (apparently) been showing reading old games and yeah, that's true. I know everything about you and you know nothing 'bout me - that's how I like it.

Other than that, no. My old games here are from years ago. The only thing I can remember is being clueless and useless in a RMM and being yelled at from town!Ashersky because of it. Ugh.

[silverspawn]

Likewise

And I always distrust those who trust me.

This is like anti-OMGUS. We could call it OMGUDS

I don't think it makes sense, though. If you're town, people are supposed to think you are town.

[iguanaiguana]

Who is third tho

Simon obvs

Yes

Simon must be the one we agreed to bus.

Vote: Simon

[EFHW]

I'm a bit perturbed that the newbie is apparently not a newbie. Is there some back-story I should be aware of? I haven't been very active at all on the forum for the last month or so..

Not really, no. I guess what Skympy is referring to is that I have (apparently) been showing reading old games and yeah, that's true. I know everything about you and you know nothing 'bout me - that's how I like it.

Other than that, no. My old games here are from years ago. The only thing I can remember is being clueless and useless in a RMM and being yelled at from town!Ashersky because of it. Ugh.

Ah, yes, I remember that well.

[EFHW]

I think this pact idea, while innovative, could have a skewing effect on the game. I'm interested to see how it plays out. It reduces the lynch pool for everyone because people in pacts will be harder to lynch. But this being mafia, pacts aren't exactly meaningful. Do these pacts extend to not posting scumreads or not calling one's partner out on something scummy?

[iguanaiguana]

All iguanas are equal. But some iguanas are more equal than others.

Lol. Let's go ahead and get this game over with then so I can sig this.

[gkrieg13]

Okay everyone, I am giving Skump a hard D1 pass for no reason other than that he had the boldness to ask.

Iguana is his partner.

I like how you think.

You really shouldn't. could both of you say how serious your comments were?

4%?

[gkrieg13]

We are pretty against using alt accounts for mafia here...  let me think about this.

[iguanaiguana]

I think this no voting until D3 nonsense is going too far for the first Day-te. D1 passes are enshrined in f.ds mafia tradition; anything more is just silly.

But now I wish WW was here so he could vote me for overpunctuating.

[Simon Jester]

We are pretty against using alt accounts for mafia here...  let me think about this.

Oh, wasn't aware. Hockeysemlan was my old one and I'm using a new on f.ds as a whole - the change has nothing to do with me wanting to play again and if I had my old account one left I would have used that. So there. A whopping meta of 3 games in 2015 should be available for the curious.

[silverspawn]

I think this no voting until D3 nonsense is going too far for the first Day-te. D1 passes are enshrined in f.ds mafia tradition; anything more is just silly.

But now I wish WW was here so he could vote me for overpunctuating.

worried about the lynch pool getting too small?

[Xxraptorslayer96]

First game, simon jester?

No. Not even here. (Guess the alt-account and win a vote.)

Vote: Simon

[Skumpy]

Likewise

And I always distrust those who trust me.

This is like anti-OMGUS. We could call it OMGUDS

I don't think it makes sense, though. If you're town, people are supposed to think you are town.

Scum has to townread somebody correctly if they want credibility, and I feel I'm usually a good candidate.

I think this pact idea, while innovative, could have a skewing effect on the game. I'm interested to see how it plays out. It reduces the lynch pool for everyone because people in pacts will be harder to lynch. But this being mafia, pacts aren't exactly meaningful. Do these pacts extend to not posting scumreads or not calling one's partner out on something scummy?

Allow me to remind you: I asked to make a pact with somebody, and was immediately voted 3 times (as I expected). Even assuming ss sticks to his word, it's not exactly hard to build a wagon against me. For the second part: I don't know! I'll play it by ear, I guess, but I think I'm OK with anything short of voting.

Also: I finally understand your name. That took me way too long to figure out.

I think this no voting until D3 nonsense is going too far for the first Day-te. D1 passes are enshrined in f.ds mafia tradition; anything more is just silly.

You fail every experiment you never try.

Raptor: Are we on the same side this time, or are we doomed to fight yet again?

[Simon Jester]

First game, simon jester?

No. Not even here. (Guess the alt-account and win a vote.)

Vote: Simon

See above, please unvote?

Or at least flesh out the reasoning a little..

[silverspawn]

Simon seems so scummy to me that I'm beginning to think it's not an alignment think but a tone thing.

[silverspawn]

Would be interesting to know your alt. Hydrad comes to mind. Or maybe... hm... Ghacob?

[Twistedarcher]

Simon seems so scummy to me that I'm beginning to think it's not an alignment think but a tone thing.

Agree with this

[Simon Jester]

Would be interesting to know your alt. Hydrad comes to mind. Or maybe... hm... Ghacob?

It's Hockeysemlan. And "alt-account" is maybe the wrong term since it's no longer active. Sorry about all that, I think absolutely my scummyness is a tone thing, when talking almost only about oneself that tends to happen. Ugh, my bad, even I could see it happening. Will shut up about me now for a while..

To try to speak about something else: I'm a bit surprised that you and others accepted a Skumpy-pact that easily, what good is going to come out of that exactly? Not enough for you to be scummy, but it's still.. odd to me.

[iguanaiguana]

Would be interesting to know your alt. Hydrad comes to mind. Or maybe... hm... Ghacob?

It's Hockeysemlan. And "alt-account" is maybe the wrong term since it's no longer active. Sorry about all that, I think absolutely my scummyness is a tone thing, when talking almost only about oneself that tends to happen. Ugh, my bad, even I could see it happening. Will shut up about me now for a while..

To try to speak about something else: I'm a bit surprised that you and others accepted a Skumpy-pact that easily, what good is going to come out of that exactly? Not enough for you to be scummy, but it's still.. odd to me.

Dude seems like town for D1 so of course you don't want to vote town. Giving the full D1 pass is only ceding a read that prolly won't change today and grants us all as an advantage something to talk about.

[Simon Jester]

Dude seems like town for D1 so of course you don't want to vote town. Giving the full D1 pas is only ceding a read that prolly won't change today and grants us all as an advantage something to talk about.

Sure, but silver took it a bit further then you:

Ok, skumpy, how about we don't vote for each other until day 3?

Which, barring jokes, is just a strange thing to say. I must say that I would have expect a rapid Skumpy- wagon more than people agreeing with him this way. Something is scummy about this but I can't figure out what..

[iguanaiguana]

If you can't find a scum motivation for doing something, don't call it scummy. Everyone is different.

[Simon Jester]

If you can't find a scum motivation for doing something, don't call it scummy. Everyone is different.

Uh, yeah, sure thing.. and reading closer I realise silver already clarified it's a D1-pass and not much more so mesh.

Very well then, any other news? Anyone not posted yet?

[iguanaiguana]

Technically, no.

[Skumpy]

What do you feel?

Vote Count 1.1

Skumpy (2): gkrieg13, Simon Jester
Simon Jester (2): Robz888, silverspawn
Not Voting (8): Galzria, Skumpy, DatSwan, iguanaiguana, SpaceAnemone, EFHW, Twistedarcher, Xxraptorslayer96

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 1 ends Tuesday, August 14th at 7 pm FT.

LaLight, isn't this an extra day?
Not that I'm complaining if you give it to us...

If you can't find a scum motivation for doing something, don't call it scummy. Everyone is different.

Well, the scum motivation would be that it's one less vote he might get. The town motivation would be that it's one less vote he might get.

If you can't find a scum motivation for doing something, don't call it scummy. Everyone is different.

Uh, yeah, sure thing.. and reading closer I realise silver already clarified it's a D1-pass and not much more so mesh.

Pretty sure it's a D2 pass as well  (if we're alive for it, of course)

[Skumpy]

That was a pretty scummy post of mine, wasn't it? Ah well. I'll be back in a few hours, when I can do some more thinking.

[gkrieg13]

We are pretty against using alt accounts for mafia here...  let me think about this.

Oh, wasn't aware. Hockeysemlan was my old one and I'm using a new on f.ds as a whole - the change has nothing to do with me wanting to play again and if I had my old account one left I would have used that. So there. A whopping meta of 3 games in 2015 should be available for the curious.

Hey hockey!

[Galzria]

Okay everyone, I am giving Skump a hard D1 pass for no reason other than that he had the boldness to ask.

Iguana is his partner.

I like how you think.

You really shouldn't. could both of you say how serious your comments were?

Who are you to tell me how I should think?

They were more serious than Gkrieg's, not serious enough to warrant a vote.

[Galzria]

Good morning all.

Chiming in now! Though not sure I need to comment on the who-agreed-not-to-vote-whom thing. I'm not joining any pacts, but I'm fine having people make them visibly in the thread where other people can read them and judge.

I'm a bit perturbed that the newbie is apparently not a newbie. Is there some back-story I should be aware of? I haven't been very active at all on the forum for the last month or so..

Vote: silver -- nice to see you again :-)

I like this vote. Is it nothing more than friendly RVS, or would you defend it if pressed?

[Galzria]

That was a pretty scummy post of mine, wasn't it? Ah well. I'll be back in a few hours, when I can do some more thinking.

Self!Aware / moderately censoring Skumpy is scum.

[Galzria]

Datswan is town.

[Robz888]

Sorry people, will have more time for this tomorrow

[Twistedarcher]

I’m here and caught up, but don’t have anything concrete to really add at the moment. Definitely won’t do a pact to not vote for anyone without more information.

[silverspawn]

Okay everyone, I am giving Skump a hard D1 pass for no reason other than that he had the boldness to ask.

Iguana is his partner.

I like how you think.

You really shouldn't. could both of you say how serious your comments were?

Who are you to tell me how I should think?

"Should" is a macro. It doesn't really map onto anything real. In this case it unpacks into something like "if you actually think that, this seems pretty wrong to me". Not sure it's scummy, though.

[LaLight]

LaLight, isn't this an extra day?

Soory, it was already 7th at my place. Will be fixed in the next vote count.

[LaLight]

What do you feel?

Vote Count 1.2

Skumpy (1): gkrieg13
Simon Jester (4): Robz888, silverspawn, iguanaiguana, Xxraptorslayer96
silverspawn (1): SpaceAnemone
Not Voting (6): Galzria, Skumpy, DatSwan, EFHW, Twistedarcher, Simon Jester

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 1 ends Monday, August 13th at 7 pm FT.

[Skumpy]

That was a pretty scummy post of mine, wasn't it? Ah well. I'll be back in a few hours, when I can do some more thinking.

Self!Aware / moderately censoring Skumpy is scum.

I've done plenty of both of those as both alignments.

Like, here's the thing: I could also see Simon as scum, maybe. But when you talk, you make evidence against yourself, it's a lot easier to slip by without saying much. So then again, I might need to defer that vote to another day.

I've got another vote in mind, probably a bad one, I'll sit on it for a little while longer. I'll let some more conversation come out in the meantime.

[SpaceAnemone]

Vote: silver -- nice to see you again :-)

I like this vote. Is it nothing more than friendly RVS, or would you defend it if pressed?

I made it as pure RVS: I'm on holiday visiting my folks just now, so I'm not feeling too "into" the game yet. I've got an afternoon of UK trains to look forward to today (virtually no phone signal, often horribly delayed...), then I'll be back home late tonight and able to pay more attention from tomorrow evening.

I'm now aware that silver is one of the more interactive players, and that some of the pact stuff is a bit weird, but I haven't decided if it means a scumread or not yet.

[Simon Jester]

I've got another vote in mind, probably a bad one, I'll sit on it for a little while longer. I'll let some more conversation come out in the meantime.

Oh, please spill the beans here, if you may. Everyone seems a little hesitant and we could have good use of something more to talk about me thinks.

It's a towny feeling over all here, but to put my vote somewhere for today I like vote: EFHW the best. A tad lurky so far, no?

[EFHW]

I've been reading and not posting, so technically I have been lurking. Nothing has struck me as alignment indicative. But maybe if I nit-pick a bit something will turn up. Will get back to you soon.

[EFHW]

Datswan is town.

I did want to hear more about this.

[EFHW]

By my count, Skumpy has pacts with iguana (D1), silver (D1 and D2) and DatSwan (D1 and D2). All for real?

[silverspawn]

I think so

[Skumpy]

I only have one with ss. If others don’t want to vote for me, fine by me.

I see you Simon, but can’t at the moment. I’ll get back to this shortly.

[silverspawn]

let's vote: EFHW

[EFHW]

let's vote: EFHW

Is it something specific I said or just the general lurkiness?

[Twistedarcher]

I've been reading and not posting, so technically I have been lurking. Nothing has struck me as alignment indicative. But maybe if I nit-pick a bit something will turn up. Will get back to you soon.

These are my exact thoughts as well, and yet you posting them gives me a slight slight scummy vibe..

[Skumpy]

I can see this EFHW voting stuff. But I myself will make my first bad vote with a Vote: Galz.

While I asked for the coalition because I actually wanted to try having one, it then occurred to me that it's generating 11 different responses from people who didn't know it was coming. Some are going to ignore it completely (Raptor), some are going to distrust it (gkrieg), some are going to think it's townie (Iguana), some are intrigued (EFHW), some are even going to accept (ss).

11 responses, 3 are scum. Which ones? I don't know! What I do [think I] know is that it's these reactions to weird plays that Galz loves to analyze (more his plays than others' but whatever). The fact that he doesn't seem to care at all gives me pause. Granted, as scum, he probably would try to fake reads. So maybe it is, in fact, a really bad vote. Oh well. It's been like 40 hours, I've got time.

[silverspawn]

let's vote: EFHW

Is it something specific I said or just the general lurkiness?

It's nothing specific, unfortunately.

[iguanaiguana]

Vote: raptor is where its at for me

[iguanaiguana]

I could vote Robz too because of how he tanked his own meta and that makes him a hard read now.

[Xxraptorslayer96]

Raptor: Are we on the same side this time, or are we doomed to fight yet again?

We didn’t fight last time!... but then you were scum and I had a bad read. So forgive me if I have some trust issues Skumpy.

[EFHW]

I've been reading and not posting, so technically I have been lurking. Nothing has struck me as alignment indicative. But maybe if I nit-pick a bit something will turn up. Will get back to you soon.

These are my exact thoughts as well, and yet you posting them gives me a slight slight scummy vibe..

Hm, that doesn't seem fair, somehow...

[EFHW]

My nit picking didn't yield anything, btw

[Skumpy]

Raptor: Are we on the same side this time, or are we doomed to fight yet again?

We didn’t fight last time!... but then you were scum and I had a bad read. So forgive me if I have some trust issues Skumpy.

Opponents=fighting. You were by far the scariest townie that game, since you had my partner figured out instantly, and you were starting to connect the dots by the end. Now I need to know if we can work together for the first time, and so far, I haven't been given a reason to think one way or the other.

[Twistedarcher]

I've been reading and not posting, so technically I have been lurking. Nothing has struck me as alignment indicative. But maybe if I nit-pick a bit something will turn up. Will get back to you soon.

These are my exact thoughts as well, and yet you posting them gives me a slight slight scummy vibe..

Hm, that doesn't seem fair, somehow...

I know! And yet that's the impression I got.

[Xxraptorslayer96]

Raptor: Are we on the same side this time, or are we doomed to fight yet again?

We didn’t fight last time!... but then you were scum and I had a bad read. So forgive me if I have some trust issues Skumpy.

Opponents=fighting. You were by far the scariest townie that game, since you had my partner figured out instantly, and you were starting to connect the dots by the end. Now I need to know if we can work together for the first time, and so far, I haven't been given a reason to think one way or the other.

Now I feel like you’re just trying to sweeten me up. But sure I’m willing to work with you to catch scum!

[iguanaiguana]

Raptor: Are we on the same side this time, or are we doomed to fight yet again?

We didn’t fight last time!... but then you were scum and I had a bad read. So forgive me if I have some trust issues Skumpy.

Opponents=fighting. You were by far the scariest townie that game, since you had my partner figured out instantly, and you were starting to connect the dots by the end. Now I need to know if we can work together for the first time, and so far, I haven't been given a reason to think one way or the other.

Now I feel like you’re just trying to sweeten me up. But sure I’m willing to work with you to catch scum!

I dont really know you. Can you share your approach to the game / scum hunting?

[gkrieg13]

I actually think skumpy is scum here.

[iguanaiguana]

I actually think skumpy is scum here.

I feel like it's still too early to say, but you seem really sure.

[gkrieg13]

I actually think skumpy is scum here.

I feel like it's still too early to say, but you seem really sure.

As sure as you can be with a couple days

[Skumpy]

I actually think skumpy is scum here.

I feel like it's still too early to say, but you seem really sure.

As sure as you can be with a couple days

I've typed out like 10 different responses, and none of them feel right. So I'll just keep it short and sweet: no

Meantime, I'm bored. If you guys generally don't have any controversial opinions or reads to share, then give us something interesting, like a personal anecdote or a joke or something.

[Swowl]

Okay everyone, I am giving Skump a hard D1 pass for no reason other than that he had the boldness to ask.

Iguana is his partner.

so.... 8%?
I like how you think.

You really shouldn't. could both of you say how serious your comments were?

Who are you to tell me how I should think?

They were more serious than Gkrieg's, not serious enough to warrant a vote.

[Swowl]

I actually think skumpy is scum here.

I feel like it's still too early to say, but you seem really sure.

As sure as you can be with a couple days

I've typed out like 10 different responses, and none of them feel right. So I'll just keep it short and sweet: no

Meantime, I'm bored. If you guys generally don't have any controversial opinions or reads to share, then give us something interesting, like a personal anecdote or a joke or something.

While I was driving today I passed a sign which read "This Way to the Blindness Center"

[Swowl]

I actually think skumpy is scum here.

Real question - Why? I have like a tinfoil hat D1 theory, but it is currently being outweighed by the silliness of the approach.

[LaLight]

What do you feel?

Vote Count 1.3

Skumpy (1): gkrieg13
Simon Jester (2): Robz888, Xxraptorslayer96
silverspawn (1): SpaceAnemone
EFHW (2): Simon Jester, silverspawn
Galzria (1): Skumpy
Xxraptorslayer96 (1): iguanaiguana
Not Voting (4): Galzria, DatSwan, EFHW, Twistedarcher,

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 1 ends Monday, August 13th at 7 pm FT.

[Simon Jester]

I don't see Skumpy as scum here, I really don't. It would be too easy just let this game keep sleeping and Skumpy is trying to do, well, at least something with it. I don't want to scumread active players, not this early anyway. Lynch the lurkers!

Vote: Xxraptor

Could you please elaborate your vote for me a little more now? Is the alt-account-thing still the reason or is there anything more to it? 

[iguanaiguana]

C'mon y'all. If this is our Thursday activity level then the weekend is going to be all crickets. People arr leaving each others questions unanswered, that's no way to play

[Skumpy]

C'mon y'all. If this is our Thursday activity level then the weekend is going to be all crickets. People arr leaving each others questions unanswered, that's no way to play

And I don't particularly want to be prodding.

/in

EDIT: Oh I guess raptor took the last spot already. Well I can replace if needed.

Also, Iguana's feeling pretty townie to me.

[Xxraptorslayer96]

I don't see Skumpy as scum here, I really don't. It would be too easy just let this game keep sleeping and Skumpy is trying to do, well, at least something with it. I don't want to scumread active players, not this early anyway. Lynch the lurkers!

Vote: Xxraptor

Could you please elaborate your vote for me a little more now? Is the alt-account-thing still the reason or is there anything more to it?

I tend to get classified as a lurker D1 every game I play. So not a huge surprise. As for you Vote, yes still because of the alt-acct. but it wasn’t a super serious vote.

[Xxraptorslayer96]

I dont really know you. Can you share your approach to the game / scum hunting?

When playing, I try to look for abnormalities in play style compared to other games. As well as look for people slipping up. Both of which are hard to read/catch D1.

I would like to extend this question to everyone, to help get the ball rolling .

[Galzria]

Raptor already has like, 10x his normal D1 content. I'm not sure if that's scummy because he's trying harder to avoid the natural suspicion he receives for lurking D1, or if it's a result of his genuine excitement to play another game, which would result in a more prominent Raptor regardless of alignment.

It could very much be the latter, and thus I am generally disinclined to consider a vote on him at this time.

Simon's OMGUS vote on Raptor is scummy though.

[Galzria]

Datswan is town.

I did want to hear more about this.

Nothing to hear. I feel I have a pretty good read on Datswan, and that read points towards him being town.

[Galzria]

Gkrieg also giving off townie vibes right now.

[Twistedarcher]

I don't see Skumpy as scum here, I really don't. It would be too easy just let this game keep sleeping and Skumpy is trying to do, well, at least something with it. I don't want to scumread active players, not this early anyway. Lynch the lurkers!

Vote: Xxraptor

Could you please elaborate your vote for me a little more now? Is the alt-account-thing still the reason or is there anything more to it?

I’m surprised to see such a read on skumpy. I don’t think he’s scum but I also think he’s town. Do you think he’s town, or do you just not want to lynch him because he’s active? You’re saying both but they’re very different reasons to not want to lynch him.

[Twistedarcher]

Galzria is giving me a slighty scum feel. Iguana reads townyish to me. Simon is scummier, And I don’t really have reads on any else. No real town reads thus far.

bote: galzria to have my vote somewhere

[Simon Jester]

I don't see Skumpy as scum here, I really don't. It would be too easy just let this game keep sleeping and Skumpy is trying to do, well, at least something with it. I don't want to scumread active players, not this early anyway. Lynch the lurkers!

Vote: Xxraptor

Could you please elaborate your vote for me a little more now? Is the alt-account-thing still the reason or is there anything more to it?

I’m surprised to see such a read on skumpy. I don’t think he’s scum but I also think he’s town. Do you think he’s town, or do you just not want to lynch him because he’s active? You’re saying both but they’re very different reasons to not want to lynch him.

I get a townie feeling out of it after all, yes. It's perhaps not much, but frankly he is the towniest player around as of now. I know that players are busy, but the silence is damning nevertheless and both iguana and skumpy gets more townpoints there of trying to get people to talk. It's of course a read that can change rapidly, but it is still there.

Simon's OMGUS vote on Raptor is scummy though.

It's honestly a LALL- vote more than OMGUS, I haven't read any game with raptor to my knowledge so I wouldn't know if he is usually quiet. His vote on me was semi-RVS so I don't really mind. 

I dont really know you. Can you share your approach to the game / scum hunting?

When playing, I try to look for abnormalities in play style compared to other games. As well as look for people slipping up. Both of which are hard to read/catch D1.

I would like to extend this question to everyone, to help get the ball rolling .

I don't have any developed "system" for scumhunting yet, I agree that it is difficult but talking in general helps a lot naturally. Just feeling out tones and approaches to the game is good enough D1 I guess.

Is there anything about the setup that is worth mentioning by the way?

[iguanaiguana]

Maybe the team is Galzria/DatSwan/Raptor, lol

[Robz888]

Okay, I'm caught up! Greetings from a beautiful hotel bar in New Orleans.

Simon Jester using an alt account isn't really scummy, per say, it's just sort of frowned upon / against the rules. But I accept his explanation that he didn't know, and sounds like he was more just switching to a new account. And he told us what the other one was, so I think that's all fine. Not really something to vote over, so I'll throw a vote at Raptor for having done so. Vote: Raptor

I think these pacts are pretty dumb, or would be dumb if they were actually obeyed, but I presume they won't be when push comes to shove, so pretty much it's just a distraction. Skumpy is sort of screaming "I'm scum!" so loudly that he's probably not.

What did you mean by this, iguana?

I could vote Robz too because of how he tanked his own meta and that makes him a hard read now.

[silverspawn]

vote: raptor

[EFHW]

vote: raptor

Curious about this. What did you think of Galzria's post re: raptor making an effort to participate more?

[EFHW]

Same to Robz.

[EFHW]

Galzria is giving me a slighty scum feel. Iguana reads townyish to me. Simon is scummier, And I don’t really have reads on any else. No real town reads thus far.

bote: galzria to have my vote somewhere

How is Simon scummier?

[SpaceAnemone]

I know you've done a pretty good job of showing yourself the ropes.

I reread things on the train yesterday, but couldn't post because if lack of signal. Did anyone else wonder whether Skumpy could have scumslipped by having let on that he'd had pre-game communication with Simon in the scum QT? If so, what made you not want to post about it?

I know he said he was using the "who's online" thing, but that's a pretty odd/unusual admission to make, and it seems weird to say exactly this, rather than "I see you're well-versed in our back-catalogue" or something that also acknowledged the source of the "showing the ropes" stuff at the same time.

[gkrieg13]

Sorry guys, had a late night getting back home from inlaws last night (curse you California wildfires).  Will try to get to this tommorrow.

[Robz888]

vote: raptor

Curious about this. What did you think of Galzria's post re: raptor making an effort to participate more?

I mean, Galz is probably right about that, I just thinking jumping on SJ for the alt-account thing is something scum might do. It's a weak vote for Raptor, though.

[silverspawn]

vote: raptor

Curious about this. What did you think of Galzria's post re: raptor making an effort to participate more?

Nothing. I don't remember having played with raptor before. But someone needs to have pressure, and I have no scumreads yet.

[Xxraptorslayer96]

Maybe the team is Galzria/DatSwan/Raptor, lol

That would be fun  . For those of you that do not know. Gaz, Swan and I work/see each other on a regular basis.

[Simon Jester]

I know you've done a pretty good job of showing yourself the ropes.

Did anyone else wonder whether Skumpy could have scumslipped by having let on that he'd had pre-game communication with Simon in the scum QT?

Only scum cares about scumslips and this one is quite farfetched too. Here, take a scumpoint!

[Skumpy]

Reading in full now, responding if my names shows up.

I think these pacts are pretty dumb, or would be dumb if they were actually obeyed, but I presume they won't be when push comes to shove, so pretty much it's just a distraction. Skumpy is sort of screaming "I'm scum!" so loudly that he's probably not.

Pacts are dumb? How else do you suggest we bring salvation back?
And I always act super Skummy, nothing new this game.

I know you've done a pretty good job of showing yourself the ropes.

Did anyone else wonder whether Skumpy could have scumslipped by having let on that he'd had pre-game communication with Simon in the scum QT?

Only scum cares about scumslips and this one is quite farfetched too. Here, take a scumpoint!

Simon said it better than I could. I mean: really, Space? This kind of reminds me of that time where I accused you of mixing up me and other newbies intentionally. Y'know, that time when I was scum?



So Raptor's the focal point. Fun stuff. For those who don't know, this is the complete history of said dinosaur:

M105: His first game (mine too!). Said not much, made weakish cases, eventually got caught in a lie as scum D4.
M110: More lurking. A few posts, a few opinions. Town distrusted him, and vigged him as town early on.
NM11: Played a really loud game. Made interesting reads, was active, was cross-examining people, was challenging suspect plays, was considering everybody as potential scum, and had by far and away the best reads of anybody else, especially D1. Died right when he had figured out the entire scum team.
M116: One I have looked at in retrospect. He went back to lurking, saying little. Lynched D1. Scum, right? No, town again.
M117: A little less lurky than usual. But for the most part, same old, except the one game.

He's probably in, like, the upper half of scummy players this game. But Raptor was so uncharacteristic the one time that I think I agree with Galz and want to give him more time (yes, I am aware where my vote currently sits). Definitely not the worst lynch possible, but this is such a easy early lynch. Scum flip wouldn't shock me, but it doesn't feel like the right way to go right now.

Oh yeah, Simon's feeling pretty townie too. Probably wrong on something I've said so far, but I'll find that out later. Insert typical "I hate D1" post.

[EFHW]

I know you've done a pretty good job of showing yourself the ropes.

Did anyone else wonder whether Skumpy could have scumslipped by having let on that he'd had pre-game communication with Simon in the scum QT?

Only scum cares about scumslips and this one is quite farfetched too. Here, take a scumpoint!

I don't agree that only scum care about scumslips. But I do agree that this probably isn't one.

[silverspawn]

I super duper strongly disagree that only scum cares about scumslips. I think town cares more about scumslips, generally.

This doesn't seem like one to me either, but I wouldn't disount it completely.

[LaLight]

What do you feel?

Vote Count 1.4

Skumpy (1): gkrieg13
Simon Jester (1): Xxraptorslayer96
silverspawn (1): SpaceAnemone
Galzria (1): Skumpy
Xxraptorslayer96 (4): iguanaiguana, Simon Jester, Robz888, silverspawn
Not Voting (4): Galzria, DatSwan, EFHW, Twistedarcher

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 1 ends Monday, August 13th at 7 pm FT.

Note: this

bote: galzria to have my vote somewhere

doesn't count as a vote.

[Skumpy]

This doesn't seem like one to me either, but I wouldn't disount it completely.

When people make posts here, it's very natural to be suspicious. Are they being honest, or are they lying scum trying to deceive?

So I will step outside of the game for a second to assure and reassure you that there was no slip, there was no pregame discussion, there was 100% honesty in me having absolutely no life and nothing better to do in my many hours of procrastination than to click the 'Who's Online' tab, and wonder who is this Simon guy who also seems to spend a lot of time here, and in old Mafia games at that. So stop speculating about my haughty diction, and knock it off! Go talk about something else that you find weird and potentially scummy, maybe even the extreme self-awareness of this very post. I don't know!

OK, aggressive rant's over. Happy Friday all!

[Galzria]

I think the more pertinent question is if scum!Space or town!Space is more likely to try and call out that particular non-slip?

[iguanaiguana]

I super duper strongly disagree that only scum cares about scumslips. I think town cares more about scumslips, generally.

This doesn't seem like one to me either, but I wouldn't disount it completely.

[Simon Jester]

I super duper strongly disagree that only scum cares about scumslips. I think town cares more about scumslips, generally.

This doesn't seem like one to me either, but I wouldn't disount it completely.

Hm. From what I have seen "scumslips" are almost always coming from town and to do such a slip is more of a towntell than anything else.. Scum likes to push scumslips though, as an easy way to fabricate cases that really isn't there.

In this case, I mean... So Skumpy and I would have this conversation in our QT and then for some reason decide to replicate it in thread including my surprised reaction? I mean for Skumpy and me the accusation is quite hilarious, but for everyone else it should just be plain ridiculous. Of course it's not a scumslip and I think Space very well knows this.

In fact, first let's cast my first actually scumsuspecting vote in vote: SpaceA

[mcmcsalot]

/tag

[iguanaiguana]

@Simon

So is your case sorta that Space scumslipped because only scum posts about a scum slip?

[iguanaiguana]

Gkrieg also giving off townie vibes right now.

I can't see any possible basis for this read other than he and you agreeing on a couple small points

[iguanaiguana]

I dont really know you. Can you share your approach to the game / scum hunting?

When playing, I try to look for abnormalities in play style compared to other games. As well as look for people slipping up. Both of which are hard to read/catch D1.

I would like to extend this question to everyone, to help get the ball rolling .

I've been trying to ask more questions about motivation so that I can get a better read on things I don't understand wihout handing my reads to the scum team for them to do as they please

[Simon Jester]

@Simon

So is your case sorta that Space scumslipped because only scum posts about a scum slip?

Yes.

But more like that they made an effort being active and then made a move that I can't help but read as truly scummy. To me it's unlikely town!SA would ever think of Skumpy and mine interaction as a real scum vs scum-thing. One of us can certainly be scum still, but us sharing a QT and then doing that? No, that's silly. 

[silverspawn]

That's a stupid vote. My instinct is to vote you in return but I don't think it actually makes you scummy.

[Simon Jester]

That's a stupid vote.

...

no u.

[Galzria]

That's a stupid vote.

...

no u.

This.

[Galzria]

Gkrieg also giving off townie vibes right now.

I can't see any possible basis for this read other than he and you agreeing on a couple small points

So you're saying that you don't find Gkrueg townie?

[iguanaiguana]

@Simon

So is your case sorta that Space scumslipped because only scum posts about a scum slip?

Yes.

But more like that they made an effort being active and then made a move that I can't help but read as truly scummy. To me it's unlikely town!SA would ever think of Skumpy and mine interaction as a real scum vs scum-thing. One of us can certainly be scum still, but us sharing a QT and then doing that? No, that's silly.

Have you played much with Space? It seems like you are making at least a partially meta based argument.

[iguanaiguana]

Gkrieg also giving off townie vibes right now.

I can't see any possible basis for this read other than he and you agreeing on a couple small points

So you're saying that you don't find Gkrueg townie?

I don't find him townie, no. I just don't see the content that could be the basis for a townread on him. I mean he called me scum or scummy or something for interacting with Skumpy, which I most certainly am not. What other content does he have?

[iguanaiguana]

This doesn't seem like one to me either, but I wouldn't disount it completely.

When people make posts here, it's very natural to be suspicious. Are they being honest, or are they lying scum trying to deceive?

So I will step outside of the game for a second to assure and reassure you that there was no slip, there was no pregame discussion, there was 100% honesty in me having absolutely no life and nothing better to do in my many hours of procrastination than to click the 'Who's Online' tab, and wonder who is this Simon guy who also seems to spend a lot of time here, and in old Mafia games at that. So stop speculating about my haughty diction, and knock it off! Go talk about something else that you find weird and potentially scummy, maybe even the extreme self-awareness of this very post. I don't know!

OK, aggressive rant's over. Happy Friday all!

Holy crap, this post is self conscious.

[silverspawn]

Ok, let's see where we are

iguana and skumpy are towny. Everyone else is null.

Not too great. We still have some time but not too much.

Maybe I could go for galz. I don't like the total dismissiveness of the scumslip. What if it actually was a scumslip?

Actually, that possibility sort of negates the towniness of skumpy and puts him closer to null. But I'm not voting for him anyway so it doesn't really matter.

[silverspawn]

ok vote: galz. Who wants to follow??

[iguanaiguana]

What did you mean by this, iguana?

I could vote Robz too because of how he tanked his own meta and that makes him a hard read now.

I guess I am thinking that you had some recent scum games that you played as though you didn't care so as to emulate your 'lackluster town' meta.

If you do that again, then you are both a hard read and not as much of a town asset as you could be. Therefore I consider you a priori of anything a decent lynch.

Sorry.

[iguanaiguana]

ok vote: galz. Who wants to follow??

Not me.

[Simon Jester]

@Simon

So is your case sorta that Space scumslipped because only scum posts about a scum slip?

Yes.

But more like that they made an effort being active and then made a move that I can't help but read as truly scummy. To me it's unlikely town!SA would ever think of Skumpy and mine interaction as a real scum vs scum-thing. One of us can certainly be scum still, but us sharing a QT and then doing that? No, that's silly.

Have you played much with Space? It seems like you are making at least a partially meta based argument.

No, not at all, but have read my few games though. I know they are experienced and good and I would have made the argument against everyone at that level. Don't think SA is especially inclined to use scumslips- argument as scum, that was general. 

PPE

[EFHW]

I actually think skumpy is scum here.

Real question - Why? I have like a tinfoil hat D1 theory, but it is currently being outweighed by the silliness of the approach.

Did gkrieg answer this and where is DatSwan?

[gkrieg13]

Gkrieg also giving off townie vibes right now.

I can't see any possible basis for this read other than he and you agreeing on a couple small points

OMGUS here.

[gkrieg13]

Ok, let's see where we are

iguana and skumpy are towny. Everyone else is null.

Not too great. We still have some time but not too much.

Maybe I could go for galz. I don't like the total dismissiveness of the scumslip. What if it actually was a scumslip?

Actually, that possibility sort of negates the towniness of skumpy and puts him closer to null. But I'm not voting for him anyway so it doesn't really matter.

Lol, why are iguana and skumpy townie?

[gkrieg13]

Space seems townie.

[gkrieg13]

I actually think skumpy is scum here.

Real question - Why? I have like a tinfoil hat D1 theory, but it is currently being outweighed by the silliness of the approach.

Did gkrieg answer this and where is DatSwan?

More than anything it is gut-based.  He feels like he is trying to conform to his meta for some reason.

[Twistedarcher]

Galzria is giving me a slighty scum feel. Iguana reads townyish to me. Simon is scummier, And I don’t really have reads on any else. No real town reads thus far.

bote: galzria to have my vote somewhere

How is Simon scummier?

He seems very self aware and focusing on how people read him was my impression. But I don’t know if that’s a scum tell or a personality tell, a lot of people act this way very naturally. You (efhw) have given that impression as well.

I’m a bit surprised that I’ve contributed nothing and I’ve gotten zero suspicion, really no one has even talked about me at all this game. Maybe I’m getting a pass because it’s my first game in awhile, but I’d have expected people to be more suspicious of me.

I’m going to re-read raptor since he’s got 4 votes on him right now. I’m having trouble forming opinions on anyone since I feel like there’s been lots of noise and little substance thus far — every post I read and then throw aside because I get nothing from it on initial read, but it’s time for me to dig in more and make an actual opinion. I’m hoping doing a targeted read vs going through the thread will come up with something.

I said galz seemed scummy (vote: galzria to get it on record) but I don’t remember why other than an impression off of one post.

[Skumpy]

I actually think skumpy is scum here.

Real question - Why? I have like a tinfoil hat D1 theory, but it is currently being outweighed by the silliness of the approach.

Did gkrieg answer this and where is DatSwan?

More than anything it is gut-based.  He feels like he is trying to conform to his meta for some reason.

The first time I played as scum, my entire game was based around trying to conform to my meta because anything outside of that would be extremely noticeable and would get me lynched. Galz saw through that instantly.

Now, I'm at a point where I can just play how I feel, and don't need to worry about specifically copying certain attributes of my townplay. If you must know, the coalition play was something I was intending to do before seeing my alignment. If I end up as scum again and discover that my scumplay is actually quite transparent, maybe things will change. Right now, I'm doing what feels natural. And as town this game, that's especially easy.

Scum, I hope you've been very entertained by my last few posts, because I'm having a blast writing them.

[gkrieg13]

I actually think skumpy is scum here.

Real question - Why? I have like a tinfoil hat D1 theory, but it is currently being outweighed by the silliness of the approach.

Did gkrieg answer this and where is DatSwan?

More than anything it is gut-based.  He feels like he is trying to conform to his meta for some reason.

The first time I played as scum, my entire game was based around trying to conform to my meta because anything outside of that would be extremely noticeable and would get me lynched. Galz saw through that instantly.

Now, I'm at a point where I can just play how I feel, and don't need to worry about specifically copying certain attributes of my townplay. If you must know, the coalition play was something I was intending to do before seeing my alignment. If I end up as scum again and discover that my scumplay is actually quite transparent, maybe things will change. Right now, I'm doing what feels natural. And as town this game, that's especially easy.

Scum, I hope you've been very entertained by my last few posts, because I'm having a blast writing them.

Even this post seems premeditated to me.  Like you are trying to have this attitude, but that it is fake.  (sorry if you are actually town and this is actually you, this is just my opinion on the tone as it relates to the game).

[Skumpy]

I actually think skumpy is scum here.

Real question - Why? I have like a tinfoil hat D1 theory, but it is currently being outweighed by the silliness of the approach.

Did gkrieg answer this and where is DatSwan?

More than anything it is gut-based.  He feels like he is trying to conform to his meta for some reason.

The first time I played as scum, my entire game was based around trying to conform to my meta because anything outside of that would be extremely noticeable and would get me lynched. Galz saw through that instantly.

Now, I'm at a point where I can just play how I feel, and don't need to worry about specifically copying certain attributes of my townplay. If you must know, the coalition play was something I was intending to do before seeing my alignment. If I end up as scum again and discover that my scumplay is actually quite transparent, maybe things will change. Right now, I'm doing what feels natural. And as town this game, that's especially easy.

Scum, I hope you've been very entertained by my last few posts, because I'm having a blast writing them.

Even this post seems premeditated to me.  Like you are trying to have this attitude, but that it is fake.  (sorry if you are actually town and this is actually you, this is just my opinion on the tone as it relates to the game).

It's not. I have no other premeditated schemes or evil genius plays up my sleeve at the moment. I might admit to being scum and start a game with a self-vote, but that's the only one. Perhaps I'll come up with some more before next time, who knows? Meantime, I'll accept your apology in advance.

[Skumpy]

You know what, it's time to shut about me. I've done way too good a job of taking attention off scum.

Let's ramble about the Galz wagon, which I am indeed currently on.
He has given me nothing to think he's town. My reasons for voting, however, like all D1 reasons, are weak at best. And probably wrong. Additionally, I'm honestly not sure if it's a good vote, going strictly by expected value. I know from experience he's a good town player who can figure the lies out. It would be a shame to lose that D1. Additionally, it would be a shame to throw suspicion on the townies who cause a lynch and save scum from having to use a nightkill on him. But if he's scum, then that's a huge asset, not only by getting rid of a good player, but by putting scum in an uncomfortable position of whether or not they want to bus this.

Which is more important to do in this game, I'm too new to say. So I guess I'm going to side with inertia and wait and see what happens.

[silverspawn]

Ok, let's see where we are

iguana and skumpy are towny. Everyone else is null.

Not too great. We still have some time but not too much.

Maybe I could go for galz. I don't like the total dismissiveness of the scumslip. What if it actually was a scumslip?

Actually, that possibility sort of negates the towniness of skumpy and puts him closer to null. But I'm not voting for him anyway so it doesn't really matter.

Lol, why are iguana and skumpy townie?

iguana was the only one who made sense on the skumpy deal. All of his posts feel natural and on point

skumpy is no longer towny since they just admitted to have planed the deal thing before the game started. Now slightly scummy for the scumslip.

[EFHW]

vote: Space I expected a more thorough response to the day from them.

[Simon Jester]

vote: Space I expected a more thorough response to the day from them.

Feeling blind, what response are you referring to?

[EFHW]

vote: Space I expected a more thorough response to the day from them.

Feeling blind, what response are you referring to?

I mean they were busy and then didn't have access, so there was a lot to catch up on. I would have expected them, once they were able to post, to do a more thorough job responding to the day instead of just the one scumslip post.

[gkrieg13]

vote: Space I expected a more thorough response to the day from them.

Feeling blind, what response are you referring to?

I mean they were busy and then didn't have access, so there was a lot to catch up on. I would have expected them, once they were able to post, to do a more thorough job responding to the day instead of just the one scumslip post.

Eh, this seems SUPER weak to me.  People are busy and don't catch up all at once.

[EFHW]

vote: Space I expected a more thorough response to the day from them.

Feeling blind, what response are you referring to?

I mean they were busy and then didn't have access, so there was a lot to catch up on. I would have expected them, once they were able to post, to do a more thorough job responding to the day instead of just the one scumslip post.

Eh, this seems SUPER weak to me.  People are busy and don't catch up all at once.

It's not much. But it's different from their usual style, I think.

[iguanaiguana]

Gkrieg also giving off townie vibes right now.

I can't see any possible basis for this read other than he and you agreeing on a couple small points

OMGUS here.

You're absolutely right, in a way. But the implication that the OMGUS is scummy or unreasonable is wrong. I am not emotionally involved in the read.

That being said, you antagonizing me and scumreading the things I do and making short standoffish comments is making me scum read you because I can't remember you ever acting this way toward me before.

I actually don't believe that town!gkrieg would be scumreading me for what I have said/done, so it is giving me pause and making me feel null to scum on you.

I also know that last game you were disappointed to roll scum so that would make your lack of engagement here scummy.

I need to think about whether any of this is worth a vote

[iguanaiguana]

Note: had not seen some of gkrieg's recent posts when I posted above. Will reconsider.

[gkrieg13]

Gkrieg also giving off townie vibes right now.

I can't see any possible basis for this read other than he and you agreeing on a couple small points

OMGUS here.

You're absolutely right, in a way. But the implication that the OMGUS is scummy or unreasonable is wrong. I am not emotionally involved in the read.

That being said, you antagonizing me and scumreading the things I do and making short standoffish comments is making me scum read you because I can't remember you ever acting this way toward me before.

I actually don't believe that town!gkrieg would be scumreading me for what I have said/done, so it is giving me pause and making me feel null to scum on you.

I also know that last game you were disappointed to roll scum so that would make your lack of engagement here scummy.

I need to think about whether any of this is worth a vote

I was disappointed to roll scum, but I don't have lack of engagement here.  I'm pretty engaged.

Why don't you think that town!gkrieg would be scumreading you?  For the record, I don't actually think you are all that scummy.  The OMGUS was a little scummy (more of a joke from my part), and the first comment that you were skumpy's partner was (to me) obviously a joke.

[iguanaiguana]

Okay, cancel literally everything I said about gkrieg. I was wrong.

[iguanaiguana]

Galzria is a crappy lynch.

[Swowl]

Prod dodging until this evening. I had work stuff come up the last few days. I need to do a catchup and then I’ll get some thoughts down.

It’s not raptor - stop being lazy.

[Robz888]

I’m a bit surprised that I’ve contributed nothing and I’ve gotten zero suspicion, really no one has even talked about me at all this game. Maybe I’m getting a pass because it’s my first game in awhile, but I’d have expected people to be more suspicious of me.

Happy to oblige. Vote: TA

[iguanaiguana]

Galzria is giving me a slighty scum feel. Iguana reads townyish to me. Simon is scummier, And I don’t really have reads on any else. No real town reads thus far.

bote: galzria to have my vote somewhere

How is Simon scummier?

He seems very self aware and focusing on how people read him was my impression. But I don’t know if that’s a scum tell or a personality tell, a lot of people act this way very naturally. You (efhw) have given that impression as well.

I’m a bit surprised that I’ve contributed nothing and I’ve gotten zero suspicion, really no one has even talked about me at all this game. Maybe I’m getting a pass because it’s my first game in awhile, but I’d have expected people to be more suspicious of me.

I’m going to re-read raptor since he’s got 4 votes on him right now. I’m having trouble forming opinions on anyone since I feel like there’s been lots of noise and little substance thus far — every post I read and then throw aside because I get nothing from it on initial read, but it’s time for me to dig in more and make an actual opinion. I’m hoping doing a targeted read vs going through the thread will come up with something.

I said galz seemed scummy (vote: galzria to get it on record) but I don’t remember why other than an impression off of one post.

I don't like your Galz vote, but I could vote EFHW I think.

[iguanaiguana]

I’m a bit surprised that I’ve contributed nothing and I’ve gotten zero suspicion, really no one has even talked about me at all this game. Maybe I’m getting a pass because it’s my first game in awhile, but I’d have expected people to be more suspicious of me.

Happy to oblige. Vote: TA

what's scummy about that post?

[Xxraptorslayer96]

Realized I will not be around for D1 end. VLA tomorrow afternoon- till Tuesday afternoon sometime. I will have zero service during this time.

I don’t really have an opinion on the whole scum slip fiasco. No real reads yet. I kinda want to vote Skumpy but I think that’s just because it’s Skumpy. If nothing major happens in the next 20 hours I’ll just place my vote with whoever has the most at the time, to help get a lynch off. But for now Unvote

[silverspawn]

ok iguana, so why is galz not a good lynch?

Who is better?

[LaLight]

What do you feel?

Vote Count 1.5

Skumpy (1): gkrieg13
silverspawn (1): SpaceAnemone
Galzria (3): Skumpy, silverspawn, Twistedarcher
Xxraptorslayer96 (1): iguanaiguana
SpaceAnemone (2): Simon Jester, EFHW
Twistedarcher (1): Robz888
Not Voting (3): Galzria, DatSwan, Xxraptorslayer96

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 1 ends Monday, August 13th at 7 pm FT.

Note: I will be VLA till Monday morning.

[gkrieg13]

Note: had not seen some of gkrieg's recent posts when I posted above. Will reconsider.

Wheat changed your mind?

[iguanaiguana]

Note: had not seen some of gkrieg's recent posts when I posted above. Will reconsider.

Wheat changed your mind?

I made a mistake and read through page 7, thinking I had read everything. What I saw that you had already posted on page 8 of the thread before I criticized you changed my mind about you. If you hadn't have posted it yet, I might have thought you were just trying to pander to me, but that wasn't the case because you did it before I bothered you about it. So actually I have a sorta townread on you at least for right now.

My bigger problem is a current lack of strong scumreads.

[iguanaiguana]

ok iguana, so why is galz not a good lynch?

Who is better?

Galz is one of those people whose alignment often resolves itself. He's like a really good D3 lynch, but not a great D1 lynch.

I guess I like lynching EFHW > Space >  Robz right now? D1 is always hard these days because it's not like I would take pleasure in eliminating any of these people from the game but someone has to be scum. I don't much like the Simon or Raptor lynches anymore because of the responses to their wagons. But I could review that more.

I also think you have not proven yourself town very much, you have just proven yourself to be mostly my thought-ally, which is not something I can trust unfortunately.

Vote: EFHW

[silverspawn]

ok. vote: EFHW is as good as any.

I can't remember any game in which she was lynched early. Let's see what some day1 pressure does.

[Robz888]

Still VLA, will have more time tomorrow.

[SpaceAnemone]

vote: Space I expected a more thorough response to the day from them.

Because I'm such a stellar D1 player usually?

[Twistedarcher]

I'm on board with vote: EFHW, as good as anyone to me.

[EFHW]

vote: Space I expected a more thorough response to the day from them.

Because I'm such a stellar D1 player usually?

Because you tend to be more thorough. So far you've only made a single farfetched scumslip suggestion.

[EFHW]

I'm on board with vote: EFHW, as good as anyone to me.

Except not, because I'm town!

[Simon Jester]

I'm okay with this wagon. vote: EFHW

[iguanaiguana]

I'm on board with vote: EFHW, as good as anyone to me.

Except not, because I'm town!

Didnt you research whether saying 'I'm town' comes more fromtown or scum and found it gad more to do with the player than their alignment?

[Galzria]

vote: Silver.

I'm at work for the next 6 hour,  but I'll try to find time later tonight to put together my reasons.

[Galzria]

I'm on board with vote: EFHW, as good as anyone to me.

Except not, because I'm town!

Didnt you research whether saying 'I'm town' comes more fromtown or scum and found it gad more to do with the player than their alignment?

Sounds like a Space thing to do. Did EFHW do so?

[iguanaiguana]

I tried to find where I originally read the statement but didn't find it.

[Skumpy]

EFHW wagon. Eh. Probably the lynch if Raptor shows up. Still feel impartial about it, though 4 consecutive votes concerns me.

Meanwhile:
1) Iguana's posts
2) My pact with ss

is forcing me to do a Vote: TA at this present moment.

[iguanaiguana]

@Skumpy What do my posts have to do with your voting TA?

[Skumpy]

@Skumpy What do my posts have to do with your voting TA?

I enjoy saying cryptic remarks, and explaining later.


Here's where I'm at right now.

I find Iguana very townie at this point. I haven't played with him much before, but he's active, and that counts for something. More than something. And furthermore, I like his posts, and I like the way he's playing. There's a lot he has going for him.

Now there's 2 possibilities.

1. I'm way, way wrong, and Iguana is in fact scum. I don't believe it now. But if it's true, this game will not go very smoothly.

2. I'm right, and Iguana is town. Iguana has posted so much at this point that people surely have to be townreading the lizard, right? No! Because by my count, only 3 have. And when you're scum, you want to be posting correct townreads D1 to gain credibility, and preferably on the most townie people. If Iguana is town, 3 other people here know this. I have to think that one is going to take notice of his talkative play and give him town status, or at least townie. Which doesn't leave many possibilities.

Both of those things together, it's seems to me highly likely there's a scum in {Iguana, ss, TA, Skumpy}. There's already an 86% chance of that, but whatever. And of that group, there's one I can't vote for, there's one I won't vote for, and there's one I'd be happy to vote for but would rather stick around longer because I pity it. So therefore, TA it is.

So that's me. Wrong? Possibly. Logical? I'd like to think so.

[iguanaiguana]

Huh, that's an interesting post, Skumpy.

Vote: silverspawn

[Skumpy]

Huh, that's an interesting post, Skumpy.

Vote: silverspawn

That works too. Even though I feel a little better about my vote, regardless of pact status, it would narrow down the options in my mind.

To be clear, this is not something I can vote for in good faith, even if the hammer is required from me. If you happen to find this extremely aggravating, I gave you all ample opportunity. 

[Xxraptorslayer96]

3 votes SS, 3 votes EFHW? Correct me if I’m wrong.

Vote: EFHW

With skumpy not voting SS it maybe hard to get lunch off, or they are both scum and playing us. I also wasn’t huge on how EFHW responded to the wagon. Good luck fellow scum hunters

[iguanaiguana]

Vote: EFHW is probably still better than silver. I want to hear Galz's thing though

[EFHW]

I'm on board with vote: EFHW, as good as anyone to me.

Except not, because I'm town!

Didnt you research whether saying 'I'm town' comes more fromtown or scum and found it gad more to do with the player than their alignment?

Yes, that was me. But I AM town, so I said it.

[EFHW]

The scummy thing is my lurking earlier. Townwise, I no longer lurk and there is no scum narrative for me. I actually think Space is a good choice. Their contributions have been minimal. The scumslip thing looks scummier now that that's the only thing they have done.

I would consider TA on the grounds of self-consciousness, imitating the person voting before him and my own OMGUS. Would vote silver out of self-preservation, but am pretty null on him.

[EFHW]

I'm on phone so multi-quoting is hard.  This post by TA echoes silver's a few earlier. Weak, I know. I'd rather vote Space.

I'm on board with vote: EFHW, as good as anyone to me.

[EFHW]

I'm on board with vote: EFHW, as good as anyone to me.

Sigh

[EFHW]

I tried to find where I originally read the statement but didn't find it.

Maybe in a qt?

[iguanaiguana]

I'm on board with vote: EFHW, as good as anyone to me.

Except not, because I'm town!

Didnt you research whether saying 'I'm town' comes more fromtown or scum and found it gad more to do with the player than their alignment?

Yes, that was me. But I AM town, so I said it.

I've seen your scum play amdI remember it  being calm, collected and full of remarkably towny statements. Am I wrong?

[Swowl]

So I have been absent, that's mb, work has been crazy. Here is where I am at. I am so damn tired right now I cannot bring myself to do a read. But I have time when I wake up and I will respond accordingly. Please allow me the day, I may literally pass out at this key board if I try here.

Skum

EFHW
Simon
Twisted
II

SS
Null
Space
GK
Robz

Skumpy
Raptor
Galz

Chum

[iguanaiguana]

Lol your chum list is almost all just your IRL chums, how seriously are we expected to take that?

[Swowl]

Lol your chum list is almost all just your IRL chums, how seriously are we expected to take that?

Don’t care
Also i don’t know skimpy irl

[EFHW]

I'm on board with vote: EFHW, as good as anyone to me.

Except not, because I'm town!

Didnt you research whether saying 'I'm town' comes more fromtown or scum and found it gad more to do with the player than their alignment?

Yes, that was me. But I AM town, so I said it.

I've seen your scum play amdI remember it  being calm, collected and full of remarkably towny statements. Am I wrong?

Alas, you are right.

[Swowl]

Can someone that finds Raptor explain to me why they think they are skum. It’s a lazy question I’ll go back and call you out if forced.

[iguanaiguana]

I mean he isn't a lynch candidate anymore. where's your evidence that he is town?

[iguanaiguana]

I'm on board with vote: EFHW, as good as anyone to me.

Except not, because I'm town!

Didnt you research whether saying 'I'm town' comes more fromtown or scum and found it gad more to do with the player than their alignment?

Yes, that was me. But I AM town, so I said it.

I've seen your scum play amdI remember it  being calm, collected and full of remarkably towny statements. Am I wrong?

Alas, you are right.

So on what basis should anyone not want your lynch then?

[iguanaiguana]

@DatSwan, how do you reconcile that two of your top scumreads, me and TA, started a wagon on your top scumread, EFHW?

If either of us were scum with EFHW, what's the motivation there?

Also, I believe you have the opportinity to put your top scum read to L-1.

[Swowl]

@DatSwan, how do you reconcile that two of your top scumreads, me and TA, started a wagon on your top scumread, EFHW?

If either of us were scum with EFHW, what's the motivation there?

Also, I believe you have the opportinity to put your top scum read to L-1.

... bussing for credit or something else as elementary as that?

[iguanaiguana]

@DatSwan, how do you reconcile that two of your top scumreads, me and TA, started a wagon on your top scumread, EFHW?

If either of us were scum with EFHW, what's the motivation there?

Also, I believe you have the opportinity to put your top scum read to L-1.

... bussing for credit or something else as elementary as that?

No offense, but you sound to me like you are getting your reads from a random number generator and your scum narratives from a magic 8 ball.....

Why would randomly switching to a scum partner out of nowhere be a good move when we are just a weekend away from the deadline?

[Swowl]

@DatSwan, how do you reconcile that two of your top scumreads, me and TA, started a wagon on your top scumread, EFHW?

If either of us were scum with EFHW, what's the motivation there?

Also, I believe you have the opportinity to put your top scum read to L-1.

... bussing for credit or something else as elementary as that?

No offense, but you sound to me like you are getting your reads from a random number generator and your scum narratives from a magic 8 ball.....

Why would randomly switching to a scum partner out of nowhere be a good move when we are just a weekend away from the deadline?

Because it is day 1 and i openly admit to not being able to have substantial reads day one and it is just guess work.
Why are you pretending people should be sonsure on day 1?

[EFHW]

I'm on board with vote: EFHW, as good as anyone to me.

Except not, because I'm town!

Didnt you research whether saying 'I'm town' comes more fromtown or scum and found it gad more to do with the player than their alignment?

Yes, that was me. But I AM town, so I said it.

I've seen your scum play amdI remember it  being calm, collected and full of remarkably towny statements. Am I wrong?

Alas, you are right.

So on what basis should anyone not want your lynch then?

So you'll policy lynch me for being hard to read? You made a similar argument about Robz earlier, with the difference that his new meta makes him participate less.

[Swowl]

I mean he isn't a lynch candidate anymore. where's your evidence that he is town?

not to be rude... but I asked first. I'll even give you my reasons - but I expect yours in return.
XXR is town to me Day 1 because he will either slip up or get lyched for being less than active as the game continues. To lynch him D1 here seems dumb on general principal unless there is a hard skum read on them. So I am looking for a hard skum read from someone. Without that, they are essentially removed from my D1 pool.
*I am also aware of the Hippocratic nature of this post as they have probably contributed more than I in this game. It is more based on generalization*

Also, since we are on the topic II - what is your reads list prior to the end of D1?

[Swowl]

@DatSwan, how do you reconcile that two of your top scumreads, me and TA, started a wagon on your top scumread, EFHW?

If either of us were scum with EFHW, what's the motivation there?

Also, I believe you have the opportinity to put your top scum read to L-1.

... bussing for credit or something else as elementary as that?

No offense, but you sound to me like you are getting your reads from a random number generator and your scum narratives from a magic 8 ball.....

Why would randomly switching to a scum partner out of nowhere be a good move when we are just a weekend away from the deadline?

The mere fact that you would suggest such a thing is ridiculous is somewhat incriminating. You are a very experienced player. I, as should everyone, leave pretty much everything on the table for you. Take it as a compliment.

[Swowl]

Vote: EFHW is probably still better than silver. I want to hear Galz's thing though

No wall needed. In concise terms, why is EFHW better than SS from your POV?
Also - Galz, who is your top SR right now?

[silverspawn]

@Skumpy What do my posts have to do with your voting TA?

I enjoy saying cryptic remarks, and explaining later.


Here's where I'm at right now.

I find Iguana very townie at this point. I haven't played with him much before, but he's active, and that counts for something. More than something. And furthermore, I like his posts, and I like the way he's playing. There's a lot he has going for him.

Now there's 2 possibilities.

1. I'm way, way wrong, and Iguana is in fact scum. I don't believe it now. But if it's true, this game will not go very smoothly.

2. I'm right, and Iguana is town. Iguana has posted so much at this point that people surely have to be townreading the lizard, right? No! Because by my count, only 3 have. And when you're scum, you want to be posting correct townreads D1 to gain credibility, and preferably on the most townie people. If Iguana is town, 3 other people here know this. I have to think that one is going to take notice of his talkative play and give him town status, or at least townie. Which doesn't leave many possibilities.

Both of those things together, it's seems to me highly likely there's a scum in {Iguana, ss, TA, Skumpy}. There's already an 86% chance of that, but whatever. And of that group, there's one I can't vote for, there's one I won't vote for, and there's one I'd be happy to vote for but would rather stick around longer because I pity it. So therefore, TA it is.

So that's me. Wrong? Possibly. Logical? I'd like to think so.

No. The sentence

And when you're scum, you want to be posting correct townreads D1 to gain credibility,

is just false insofar as it relates to me. White knighting is such an overrated scum trait that it gets you in far more trouble than it ever does good as scum, which is why I wouldn't do it. I've talked about this particular point before, even (you were probably there, iguana, don't you remember that?). It is not a thing you would catch scum!me with.

It is a sort of a legit point if applied to newer scum players. Maybe.

But even then, I mean, I was the first one who said iguana was towny. How does this even make him a towny player? Other people challenged me on the townread. Doubling down there as I did is exactly the kind of thing I would by trying my hardest to avoid as scum, because whiteknighting. How would I even know that skumpy would find him towny aswell?

[silverspawn]

Also unvote I don't like the EFHW wagon. It has basically no justification and picked up too quickly.

[silverspawn]

The people who jumped on it are where I would look for scum now. Ironically, that's iguana. But then he changed. The others are raptor and simon.

vote: simon

[Skumpy]

@Skumpy What do my posts have to do with your voting TA?

I enjoy saying cryptic remarks, and explaining later.


Here's where I'm at right now.

I find Iguana very townie at this point. I haven't played with him much before, but he's active, and that counts for something. More than something. And furthermore, I like his posts, and I like the way he's playing. There's a lot he has going for him.

Now there's 2 possibilities.

1. I'm way, way wrong, and Iguana is in fact scum. I don't believe it now. But if it's true, this game will not go very smoothly.

2. I'm right, and Iguana is town. Iguana has posted so much at this point that people surely have to be townreading the lizard, right? No! Because by my count, only 3 have. And when you're scum, you want to be posting correct townreads D1 to gain credibility, and preferably on the most townie people. If Iguana is town, 3 other people here know this. I have to think that one is going to take notice of his talkative play and give him town status, or at least townie. Which doesn't leave many possibilities.

Both of those things together, it's seems to me highly likely there's a scum in {Iguana, ss, TA, Skumpy}. There's already an 86% chance of that, but whatever. And of that group, there's one I can't vote for, there's one I won't vote for, and there's one I'd be happy to vote for but would rather stick around longer because I pity it. So therefore, TA it is.

So that's me. Wrong? Possibly. Logical? I'd like to think so.

No. The sentence

And when you're scum, you want to be posting correct townreads D1 to gain credibility,

is just false insofar as it relates to me. White knighting is such an overrated scum trait that it gets you in far more trouble than it ever does good as scum, which is why I wouldn't do it. I've talked about this particular point before, even (you were probably there, iguana, don't you remember that?). It is not a thing you would catch scum!me with.

It is a sort of a legit point if applied to newer scum players. Maybe.

But even then, I mean, I was the first one who said iguana was towny. How does this even make him a towny player? Other people challenged me on the townread. Doubling down there as I did is exactly the kind of thing I would by trying my hardest to avoid as scum, because whiteknighting. How would I even know that skumpy would find him towny aswell?

Not sure if 'white knighting' means just townreading or guaranteeing as town. Because I'm only talking about the former, I don't care about 'doubling down'. The only 3 I listed, which included myself, were the ones who would said something as simple as 'maybe townie-ish'. Nothing more than that required, and nothing more than that was found.

Going back to white knighitng; I don't understand. You are expected to at least throw your hat into the ring D1 and give a name of somebody you find townie that you are still allowed to change. I believe everybody has said at least 1 person by now, without reading back. Scum either puts the townread on a scum or a town. Not all scum are going to townread each other. So a town is being townread, and if it's not somebody who they find likely to be a common townread (someone I believe should be Iguana), then who? Who do you, as scum!ss, like to townread on D1? And if Iguana isn't town, you will notice I included him in the list. But since I do currently believe him to be town, that's not where my vote is going.


And you know what? Assume everything I said makes no sense, and is not relevant whatsoever, and your points are completely right, even though I don't fully understand. You were the one who once said to me:

Reversed stupidity is not intelligence. If a psychopath says the sky is blue that doesn't make the sky green. If <A> gives a nonsensical reason why <B> is scum, that doesn't make him town.

Nothing you've said is exactly a ringing endorsement for TA. And:

The people who jumped on it are where I would look for scum now. Ironically, that's iguana. But then he changed. The others are raptor and simon.

is untrue because TA was also in that group.

For the record, I don't have an opinion on the moment of EFHW's alignment, nor on the alignments of the people who jumped on the wagon regardless of her faction. Tomorrow is another day.

[silverspawn]

Not sure if 'white knighting' means just townreading or guaranteeing as town. Because I'm only talking about the former, I don't care about 'doubling down'.

Strong townreading. I was talking about that. I was also mostly addressing ii. If you're just talking about stating a townread, sure, every scum will state townnreads on towns. But then that's not an argument anyway. I took you as saying that I was scummy because I focused on defending ii in particular, who is a common townread.

And you know what? Assume everything I said makes no sense, and is not relevant whatsoever, and your points are completely right, even though I don't fully understand. You were the one who once said to me [...]:

Right. I'm not claiming that the flawed-ness of your argument makes me town. I'm claiming there's no positive evidence against me expressed so far.

The people who jumped on it are where I would look for scum now. Ironically, that's iguana. But then he changed. The others are raptor and simon.

is untrue because TA was also in that group.

I didn't see that. I don't oppose a TA lynch, either. But he's a vet, so all things equal, I'd rather lynch Simon.

[Simon Jester]

The people who jumped on it are where I would look for scum now. Ironically, that's iguana. But then he changed. The others are raptor and simon.

vote: simon

Everyday I'm tunneling..

However, I agree that the wagon probably have scum on itself. TA is still there: vote: TA

[iguanaiguana]

@DatSwan, how do you reconcile that two of your top scumreads, me and TA, started a wagon on your top scumread, EFHW?

If either of us were scum with EFHW, what's the motivation there?

Also, I believe you have the opportinity to put your top scum read to L-1.

... bussing for credit or something else as elementary as that?

No offense, but you sound to me like you are getting your reads from a random number generator and your scum narratives from a magic 8 ball.....

Why would randomly switching to a scum partner out of nowhere be a good move when we are just a weekend away from the deadline?

Because it is day 1 and i openly admit to not being able to have substantial reads day one and it is just guess work.
Why are you pretending people should be sonsure on day 1?

I wasn't suggesting that you should be so sure. But there is some information to go off of and it seemed like your reads were very random, as if you weren't considering the framework of who was voting for who very much when you assembled them but going off of pure gut feel about each individual in a vacuum.

[iguanaiguana]

I'm on board with vote: EFHW, as good as anyone to me.

Except not, because I'm town!

Didnt you research whether saying 'I'm town' comes more fromtown or scum and found it gad more to do with the player than their alignment?

Yes, that was me. But I AM town, so I said it.

I've seen your scum play amdI remember it  being calm, collected and full of remarkably towny statements. Am I wrong?

Alas, you are right.

So on what basis should anyone not want your lynch then?

So you'll policy lynch me for being hard to read? You made a similar argument about Robz earlier, with the difference that his new meta makes him participate less.

This isn't a policy lynch. This is a tunnel on a weak scum read, because I have nothing better to go off of right now. It bothers me that you are not responding with the same cavalier attitude that you have responded with in your last town game where you got D1 suspicion. I realize that you aren't a restless spirit here, but still... It was an earlier calmness in your play that tipped me off to a potential scum read on you. Your response hasn't been satisfying.

Look, I'm probably wrong. I've played enough games to know that. That's what sucks about mafia.

[iguanaiguana]

I mean he isn't a lynch candidate anymore. where's your evidence that he is town?

not to be rude... but I asked first. I'll even give you my reasons - but I expect yours in return.
XXR is town to me Day 1 because he will either slip up or get lyched for being less than active as the game continues. To lynch him D1 here seems dumb on general principal unless there is a hard skum read on them. So I am looking for a hard skum read from someone. Without that, they are essentially removed from my D1 pool.
*I am also aware of the Hippocratic nature of this post as they have probably contributed more than I in this game. It is more based on generalization*

Also, since we are on the topic II - what is your reads list prior to the end of D1?

My current read on raptor is null, maybe a little towny because he had an easy wagon on him at one point and usually that isn't scum D1. But still could be scum because it was only a 4 vote wagon.

I don't want to hand my full reads list to the scum team.

[iguanaiguana]

The people who jumped on it are where I would look for scum now. Ironically, that's iguana. But then he changed. The others are raptor and simon.

vote: simon

I believe I started, rather than jumped on, this wagon.

[iguanaiguana]

@DatSwan - You are wasting your time at this point asking me questions, trying to determine my alignment. My play advice to you is to accept that you don't want to lynch me today and find your ideal target for a lynch, because the deadline is soon. Then, we can talk about that.

[silverspawn]

The people who jumped on it are where I would look for scum now. Ironically, that's iguana. But then he changed. The others are raptor and simon.

vote: simon

I believe I started, rather than jumped on, this wagon.

That is true. I retract the piece of suspicion.

What do you think about the case on me? Still standing behind it? What's wrong with what I said?

[iguanaiguana]

I dunno, I want to hear another round from everyone else. I am  easily highest poster now, I've shared enough.

[SpaceAnemone]

Because I'm such a stellar D1 player usually?

Because you tend to be more thorough. So far you've only made a single farfetched scumslip suggestion.

It was all that my nitpicking could find. You claimed that yours came up empty, so is it that surprising that I didn't find anything better to comment on?

[SpaceAnemone]

Since my post yesterday, I've done a full person-wise re-read of everyone (all posts up till mine yesterday afternoon, anyway), and I'm still low on scumreads.

I still quite like my Skumpy-Simon axis, even if there is quite a strong chance that the "scumslip" is nothing.

[Simon Jester]

Since my post yesterday, I've done a full person-wise re-read of everyone (all posts up till mine yesterday afternoon, anyway), and I'm still low on scumreads.

I still quite like my Skumpy-Simon axis, even if there is quite a strong chance that the "scumslip" is nothing.

It is nothing. My scumread stance.

My lynchpool for D1 will be SA, TA, EFHW and I guess raptor if that would come around. Silver would be too much Omgus, I still think he is town after all.

Would be nice to hear some more from Robz if possible, still busy?

[SpaceAnemone]

And now I have my rolling vote tracker up and running!

Peak wagon was EFHW at #220, with 5 votes, though she's down to three now. I don't really feel inclined to vote her just yet, because she's made a bunch of decent observations, aside from scumreading me.

Iguana's very townie. Other people I don't fancy lynching D1 are gkrieg, Galz and silver, though that's all part-townread, part-meta.

[SpaceAnemone]

I kind of want to feel good about voting TA, because he seems to be a lynch even my marginal scumreads can get behind, but really, he seems too easy an "out" to be likely scum.

[SpaceAnemone]

Meh, I'm going to go with Vote: Simon for now, because leaving my vote on a person I actually don't want to lynch is silly. Feel free to accuse me of omgus.

[gkrieg13]

Meh, I'm going to go with Vote: Simon for now, because leaving my vote on a person I actually don't want to lynch is silly. Feel free to accuse me of omgus.

OMGUS. Also townread on Space

[EFHW]

@DatSwan - You are wasting your time at this point asking me questions, trying to determine my alignment. My play advice to you is to accept that you don't want to lynch me today and find your ideal target for a lynch, because the deadline is soon. Then, we can talk about that.

The odd thing is that he has already decided you are town - I think he asked for your reads under the assumption that you would die tonight

[LaLight]

What do you feel?

Vote Count 1.6

Skumpy (1): gkrieg13
silverspawn (1): Galzria
SpaceAnemone (1): EFHW
Twistedarcher (3): Robz888, Skumpy, Simon Jester
EFHW (2): Twistedarcher, Xxraptorslayer96, iguanaiguana
Simon Jester (2): silverspawn, SpaceAnemone
Not Voting (1): DatSwan

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 1 ends Monday, August 13th at 7 pm FT.

[EFHW]

This isn't a policy lynch. This is a tunnel on a weak scum read, because I have nothing better to go off of right now. It bothers me that you are not responding with the same cavalier attitude that you have responded with in your last town game where you got D1 suspicion. I realize that you aren't a restless spirit here, but still... It was an earlier calmness in your play that tipped me off to a potential scum read on you. Your response hasn't been satisfying.

Look, I'm probably wrong. I've played enough games to know that. That's what sucks about mafia.

In the last game I wanted to die. This game I do not. Can't comment on calmness. Yeah, agree with you on that last point.

[EFHW]

Getting a weak scumread on silver. Seems a mite on the defensive side.

Is TA vla? I'm not sure how to take his "why aren't you guys suspecting me" thing.

[EFHW]

Vote: silver given the closeness of deadline.

[Skumpy]

What do you feel?

Vote Count 1.6

Skumpy (1): gkrieg13
silverspawn (2):, Galzria, iguanaiguana
SpaceAnemone (1): EFHW
Twistedarcher (3): Robz888, Skumpy, Simon Jester
EFHW (2): Twistedarcher, Xxraptorslayer96
Simon Jester (2): silverspawn, SpaceAnemone
Not Voting (1): DatSwan

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 1 ends Monday, August 13th at 7 pm FT.

Lalight, I think Iguana is voting EFHW right now

At this point, day's approaching the end, and as always, it's totally scattered. Iguana is the only person that has done an adequate job of conveying townliness. My suspicion of DatSwan has risen and I'm also wary of Raptor because he's due eventually for a breakout scum game that nobody sees coming. Also mostly unsure of 8 other people. There's a lot of "I have no ideas" posts by everybody, which are reasonable but not necessarily town, and definitely not super helpful. This post included.

I'll be back later on today, through it's already probably too late to get a wagon going on someone that doesn't already have one.

gkrieg: Move your vote, I'm not getting lynched today. Try again tomorrow.

[silverspawn]

Ok.

can't lynch: skumpy

won't lynch: iguana, space, EFHW

kinda want lynch: simon

won't protest: everyone else

[silverspawn]

Vote: silver given the closeness of deadline.

Why not TA or simon? They're both much more likely to be scum.

[Swowl]

@DatSwan - You are wasting your time at this point asking me questions, trying to determine my alignment. My play advice to you is to accept that you don't want to lynch me today and find your ideal target for a lynch, because the deadline is soon. Then, we can talk about that.

The odd thing is that he has already decided you are town - I think he asked for your reads under the assumption that you would die tonight

I didn't even get to the considering if II would die tonight part. I was just asking for explanation of reads.

[EFHW]

Vote: silver given the closeness of deadline.

Why not TA or simon? They're both much more likely to be scum.

They are?

[EFHW]

Also, since we are on the topic II - what is your reads list prior to the end of D1?

I guess I misunderstood this.

[silverspawn]

Vote: silver given the closeness of deadline.

Why not TA or simon? They're both much more likely to be scum.

They are?

yeah, ε > 0.

[SpaceAnemone]

Space count, as of #266:
Skumpy (1): gkrieg13
TwistedArcher (3): Robz888, Skumpy, Simon Jester
EFHW (3): TwistedArcher, Xxraptorslayer96, iguanaiguana
silverspawn (2): Galzria, EFHW
Simon Jester (2): silverspawn, SpaceAnemone
Not Voting (1): DatSwan


Other interesting thing: the people who each player has voted for so far:
Simon Jester (6): Skumpy, DatSwan, SpaceAnemone, EFHW, TwistedArcher, Xxraptorslayer96
Robz888 (4): Simon Jester, Skumpy, TwistedArcher, Xxraptorslayer96
IguanaIguana (4): Simon Jester, EFHW, silverspawn, Xxraptorslayer96
silverspawn (4): Simon Jester, Galzria, EFHW, Xxraptorslayer96
Skumpy (2): Galzria, TwistedArcher
SpaceAnemone (2): Simon Jester, silverspawn
EFHW (2): SpaceAnemone, silverspawn
TwistedArcher (2): Galzria, EFHW
Xxraptorslayer96 (2): Simon Jester, EFHW
Galzria (1): silverspawn
gkrieg (1): Skumpy
DatSwan (0): -

As usual, these are vote-counter-generated, so might miss weirdly-formatted votes, or stuff where the mod would have to make a call. LMK if you think there's something wrong, though.

[SpaceAnemone]

As for deadline, it's midnight my time, so I'll be here :-) However, I probably won't get online properly till about an hour beforehand because I'm out tomorrow night straight from work.