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[Robz888]

I mean, in the history of f.ds there was probably no scum who ever did anything with the conscious decision of trying to reduce the time that town has to do strategy talk. It's always anti town towns.

This is probably true.

Anyway I am a VT.

[EFHW]

Then why did it matter that silver was claiming after you?

[Xxraptorslayer96]

i am VT

[Xxraptorslayer96]

gkrieg up next?

[gkrieg13]

Vt

[Skumpy]

i am VT

Not what I was hoping for. I guess I should've known.

Vt

But that's good enough for me.

Vote: gkrieg

[LaLight]

What do you feel?

Vote Count 3.1

gkrieg13 (1): Skumpy
Not Voting (6): Robz888, SpaceAnemone, EFHW, gkrieg13, silverspawn, Xxraptorslayer96

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Day 3 ends Friday, August 31th at 5.30 pm FT.

[silverspawn]

please unvote or you risk a quickhammer. We haven't even all claimed yet.

[Skumpy]

So assuming Space is the vig, since vig!silver's not shooing Simon over Raptor.

Space: I know you want silver today. But:

I don't want to vote Silver. That's a game-losing lynch on D3, because I'm next if he's scum. If town's winning this, I need to prove myself.

At one point in this game, I said silver and Raptor were teamed. I then took it back.
Now I (and I guess we) need to decide if that page 32 stuff was faked or not.

Space, since EFHW is out of the picture, there's 3 possibilities:
1. You were right about the EFHW-Raptor 1 v 1
2. You were right about the silver scum-because-all-town-wagons
3. I was right about the

Raptor and silver aren't teamed after all. Ah well.

It's 2 truths and a lie! Mafia edition!

please unvote or you risk a quickhammer. We haven't even all claimed yet.

I'm good, thanks. How are you doing, silver? What are your plans for today?

[Skumpy]

please unvote or you risk a quickhammer. We haven't even all claimed yet.

Also: Unless a town doesn't want to reveal they're the vig, you know who the vig is. You don't need to save us the suspense.

[silverspawn]

Actually, since Space must be the vig it doesn't matter who claims first. I'm a VT.

[silverspawn]

Ok, so I'm pretty sure all PRs are ICs. We know the vig is real because we had two deaths tonight. We know the RB is real because the one-shot RB died.

That means all scum are among the VT claims. That means {Skumpy, Robz888, gkrieg13, Xxraptorslayer96} and from your PoV also me.

Given that I'm pretty sure Skumpy is town, that means the team is just {Robz888, gkrieg13, Xxraptorslayer96}.

[silverspawn]

Raptor, a lurker, and gkrieg. Yeah, that feels right.

[silverspawn]

You still shouldn't vote before at least EFHW claims her results, though.

[Skumpy]

You still shouldn't vote before at least EFHW claims her results, though.

There's still nothing that EFHW can claim that will sway me any which way at all towards anybody. Scum was killing with the strongman, that was unstoppable. No one's ccing vig, so there's no crucial evidence that needs to be provided. She could stay silent and it would have absolutely 0 bearing on this game.


And if I'm scum, I can do what I want, I'm evil.
If we're town, I'm voting scum. Yay.
If I'm town with gkrieg, this is what you want to have happen since you're scum. Also, that's a game over situation.

So why would you protest? And why are you so sure I'm town anyways? I admitted the coalition offer was planned before I saw my qt. I was one of the main 2 wagons yesterday. I've voted and accused a bunch of confirmed town, including a mason. You're right, I am town. But still. What exactly have I done that's so convincing to you and nobody else?

[EFHW]

You still shouldn't vote before at least EFHW claims her results, though.

Results? I'm roleblocker. Blocked Space N1, Robz N2. I guess reverse would have been better.

I would have expected vig!space to shoot silver.

Skumpy voting is scummy.

silver could still be vig.

[Skumpy]

One small point in silver's favor, even if I'm the only one who knows it:

Space argues about the Simon wagon he's on and the 3 person wagon in the middle of the day. No answers there.

However, there was also the late push for a silver wagon by Galz, Simon, and EFHW at the end of the day that no scum was on. But the answer for why there was no possible bussing is very simple: there wasn't any scum around to bus.

[Skumpy]

Skumpy voting is scummy.

How so?

[EFHW]

Nvm. I keep thinking vig is a scum role.

PPE: It feels like you are trying to push towards a premature conclusion.

[EFHW]

silver feels like that, too. I want to hear from Space that they are the vig.

[Skumpy]

Take all the time you want, EFHW. If you think I'm scum, then please DO take your time. But I'm happy with my vote.

Here's the thing. I've never played as town in LYLO. I have played as scum in LYLO. I acted really patient because I thought town is unsure and unconfident in LYLO and wants to take their time to read-through everything. At least town!Skumpy would be.

Now I learn that's total bullshit. I didn't even need ICs to feel ready to start picking out scum, as you saw in my pre-post. I already have a 75% chance without any other factors. If I survive to final 3, maybe I'll start thinking then. No need now.

[Skumpy]

The only premature conclusion is that you now think I'm scum. Real smart play by me.

The only world in which I don't vote gkrieg is the world in which I'm town and think he's town. After this game? Come on. I know what I posted at the end of D2, and I rescind that town button. If he gets to tunnel me relentlessly for 2 weeks and you don't complain, I get to return the favor. We're not both town, else this would be absolutely a pathetic showing, and is completely, utterly done. I'm never going to make him townier than all of {Raptor, silver, Robz}, he's not going to do the same for me. And you should only have to read like 5 of our posts from this game before you realize we're not both scum together.

[SpaceAnemone]

Yes, I'm the vig.

I shot Simon over silver in the end because it decoupled the Simon wagon from the later Galz wagon by taking out the common unknown factor. If I'd taken silver out, we would not know Simon's alignment for sure, because I don't argue that scum won't bus, only that that many towns voting a town is very unusual. So if I'd done that, we would still have had three unknowns on the Galz wagon, whereas this way we know that it has to be between Robz and Skumpy, from the hundred or so posts after #333.

[SpaceAnemone]

Space, since EFHW is out of the picture, there's 3 possibilities:
1. You were right about the EFHW-Raptor 1 v 1
2. You were right about the silver scum-because-all-town-wagons
3. I was right about the

Raptor and silver aren't teamed after all. Ah well.

It's 2 truths and a lie! Mafia edition!

I actually think that the most likely thing here is that the scumteam is silver-Skumpy-Raptor, which would explain why you felt you had to make that remark. After all, it's a comment on the playstyle/hostility of two members who, if scum, have a strong incentive to behave in exactly that way, whereas my observations are from back in D1 of the game, where they can't make those kinds of behaviours so overtly because they know they'll have to follow through on them for the whole game, and they don't know how later flips will go (in terms of who will be flipped) to know which wagons are going to look too green to be seen on etc...

[EFHW]

Ok then.

Three lurking scum makes all-town wagons much more likely. Skumpy mentioned something similar. Does that adjust your feelings about silver at all?

PPE