Let me be clear that at this point in time, no matter what it sounds like, I truly bear absolutely no ill will towards anybody. Not Iguana, not gkrieg, not Lalight. Nobody, except maybe myself. And actually maybe towards LaLight for not sticking with probably the most terrifying flavor this site has ever seen. Without further ado:
IMO this is bad strategic thinking. Your job as VT is to convince other towns you are town and draw the Nigjt Kill.
Sure. Except there weren't any more VT kills that were going to happen.
Right, so at the point that you know you won't be killed anymore, your focus can shift toward 100% proving your towniness to people who doubt you and think you are scum. If someone suspects you, even if you think they are scum, that is the person whose arguments you should be engaging most and showing more than anything that they are wrong.
IMO LyLo should be town's last chance for thought reflection and analysis of the whole game. Every town should be going into it ready to reconsider everything, throw their old reads out the window, and solve the game as much as possible. It is absolutely the last place you should ever give into the temptation to throw out an OMGUS vote or be fatalistic about what someone else might do.
It's not 100%, because I also need to find scum and my 1 teammate since I don't get to rely on IC's forever. If it's town's job to convince everybody who thinks they're scum that they're town, then shouldn't gkrieg have been making cases for himself against my vote? The fact that he didn't suggests one and only one thing to me: he wasn't bothering because he was almost as equally sure I was scum. The only argument I currently see him making on D3 is a question to Robz asking why he's so sure I'm town. And even if I convince him, that doesn't mean I'm not going to vote him. I went back and forth on who I thought town was between 3 of the 4 unknowns. Guess who I didn't consider.
Mafia can be explained in 3 words: Hindsight is 20/20. When you know the scumteam, it's obvious who it is. But for gkrieg, when I'm posting in my way and avoiding the D2 lynch, that is admittedly pretty damning evidence. Again: it's not a bad case, I get it. But it's easy for gkrieg to say "I was starting to come around to you" after the game. Even if it's true (and again, it's a post that implies I still would never become townier than Robz), there's one post I remember reading from M100 that I didn't believe at the time, and now I do (can't remember the who/where); when you have opinions heading into the end, it's incredibly tough to change them. This probably applies to gkrieg this game. It for sure applies to me this game. My guess N2 for the team was (in order of scum): gkrieg/silver/probRobz. During claiming, that then became gkrieg/Robz/probSilver. And by the time claiming was over, it became gkrieg/Robz/probRaptor. Notice the constant? Yes, it's awful. But the absolute most stupid way to look in this game is to correctly accuse a scum all game long...and then change your mind at the last second. And as bad as it sounds, there's something in preferring to lose by sticking to your guns than to risk a win by switching because that latter loss feels so much worse than the former loss. Expected value, in a nutshell. Not all losses are created equal. Which reminds me, Iguana, I believe you have some unfinished business involving your sig.
It's also just flat out not fair to gkrieg to constantly be saying all game "you'll never change your mind about me." I would hate having someone say something like that to me, and it would totally become a self fulfilling prophecy as my annoyance against them would just make my scumread stronger.
I spent several days and posts trying to convince him since I never actually scumread him until N2. He didn't give me anything to respond to except arguments based on tone (which is probably easy eventually with me. But not yet) and an argument on D1 stuff where I never get things right. And the best way to convince someone is to make good reads and play well, which is what I tried to do. Emphasis on 'tried'. My big readthrough at the end of D2, I even gave him town status for tunneling me. When D3 arrives and there's only 1 mystery town left, what're the odds it's the guy who's been going for me all game long? I realized it was perfect camouflage for someone to go after me the entire time because it's me and my posting style, and nobody would ever suspect them because it's always rational for someone to suspect me early on and irrational for scum to stick to someone all game long and make only one other vote that was completely based on my beliefs. Until N2, I'm not sure the possibility that gkrieg was scum crossed anybody's minds, speccy included. That makes me suspicious. It wasn't a pure OMGUS move, it had a 75% chance of being right all other things forgotten. Is that high enough that it's an excuse for me at least not reading back? No. But it's high enough that coupled with other factors and theorizing, I felt pretty good placing it there early before claiming was finished. Lesson learned.
Anyway, again, I mean this as advice, and in all kindness. Your playstyle and approach to the game (an emotional one) reminds a lot of how I played four years ago when I started playing here. But getting emotionally invested in one of these games has the potential to burn you out really fast as well as make you play worse. You don't want to go the way of Yuma, so just bear that in mind going forward.
Understood, appreciated, and duly noted. There's a reason 1 game at a time is my absolute limit. I don't make decisions based on emotion nearly as much as you might think, even though I do play with more emotion than probably anybody (though I'm improving! M105 was about as low as one can go for me). I don't think I've ever made a vote on tone; I do it based on actions, and most importantly, POE lategame. If wagons are Space's calling card, then I'm hoping POE can be mine once I stop forcing it.
And I've looked at the most recent posts of Yuma before; that's a tale with a history I'm well versed in. There's a nonzero probability something could happen to enrage me away from mafia permanently, but it wouldn't be the cause for me to hate any one of you or leave this community altogether.
In other news, thanks for the game Lalight!
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PPE all of Space and silver (this took a while)
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