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The Dominion Cards Lists 2015 Edition: $0-$2 cards
« on: November 04, 2015, 08:56:20 am »
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70+ votes for Adventures cards, 105+ votes for the rest.

The Best - Cards (Part 1/3)

#33 ▼1 Duchess (Hinterlands) Weighted Average: 9.4% ▼2.7pp / Unweighted Average: 10.4% / Median: 6.3% ▼3.2pp / Standard Deviation: 14.1%

Duchess is back in the last place just like in 2012 Edition 1. It has the second lowest deviation in this list. It has 26 last votes and no votes above 50% except one who voted it first!
#32 ▲1 Secret Chamber (Intrigue) Weighted Average: 10.0% ▼1.0pp / Unweighted Average: 11.3% / Median: 4.8% ▼4.7pp / Standard Deviation: 16.9%

Secret Chamber is not the worst $2 card anymore, with a lead of 0.6pp, but it still lost 1pp. It has more last places than Duchess though: 28. But it was voted 6 times above 50%. It has still a pretty low deviation.
#31 ▼1 Herbalist (Alchemy) Weighted Average: 15.5% ▼6.3pp / Unweighted Average: 16.7% / Median: 12.5%  ▼6.6pp / Standard Deviation: 15.4%

Herbalist lost over 6pp and one place, but is still over 5pp better than Secret Chamber.  The agreement is much higher; it has the third lowest deviation. It has 11 last places and 3 votes above 50%.
#30 ▲1 Pearl Diver (Seaside) Weighted Average: 17.3% ▲1.6pp / Unweighted Average: 20.3% / Median: 15.6% ▲1.3pp / Standard Deviation: 19.7%

Pearl Diver is slightly better and one rank higher. It was voted last 11 times and 8 times above average.
#29 =0 Beggar (Dark Ages) Weighted Average: 21.4% ▼9.2pp / Unweighted Average: 22.8% / Median: 18.8% ▼9.8pp / Standard Deviation: 18.3%

Beggar lost quite a lot, but stays still on the same rank. It was voted 5 times last and 9 times above 50%.
#28 ▼3 Embargo (Seaside) Weighted Average: 26.9% ▼13.8pp / Unweighted Average: 29.4% / Median: 28.1% ▼10.0pp / Standard Deviation: 18.7%

Embargo is one of the biggest losers. It's over 13pp worse than last time and lost 3 ranks. It was voted last 4 times and 9 times above average.
#27 Quest (Adventures) Weighted Average: 29.4% / Unweighted Average: 30.2% / Median: 25.0% / Standard Deviation: 20.9%

Quest is the worst of the new Adventures cards. It was voted last once and 12 times above 50%.
#26 Scouting Party (Adventures) Weighted Average: 31.6% / Unweighted Average: 33.5% / Median: 28.1% / Standard Deviation: 23.4%

And the second Adventures cards follows immediately. It has a pretty high deviation. It was voted last once and 16 times above average.
#25 ▼1 Poor House (Dark Ages) Weighted Average: 31.7% ▼6.1pp / Unweighted Average: 33.1% / Median: 28.1% ▼10.0pp / Standard Deviation: 21.8%

Poor House is definitely worse than last time and lost one rank. It has only a lead of 0.1pp over Scouting Party. In the unweighted average it's even below Scouting Party. It was voted last 3 times and 10 times above 70%.
#24 ▲2 Moat (Base) Weighted Average: 35.3% ▲1.4pp / Unweighted Average: 33.4% / Median: 29.2% ▲0.6pp / Standard Deviation: 19.7%

Moat is slightly better than last time, but is even 2 ranks higher. It has only a lead of 0.3pp in the unweighted average over Poor House. It was voted last 3 times and 8 times above 70%.
#23 ▲2 Vagrant (Dark Ages) Weighted Average: 36.6% ▲0.2pp / Unweighted Average: 36.5% / Median: 34.4% ▲1.1pp / Standard Deviation: 17.3%

Vagrant almost stayed the same, but is just like Moat 2 ranks higher than last time. It has a pretty low deviation. It was voted last twice and only 3 times above 70%.

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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2015 Edition: $0-$2 cards
« Reply #1 on: November 04, 2015, 08:56:29 am »
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The Best - Cards (Part 2/3)

#22 ▼1 Haven (Seaside) Weighted Average: 41.6% ▼2.3pp / Unweighted Average: 42.9% / Median: 42.9% ▼4.7pp / Standard Deviation: 20.6%

Haven has a decent 5pp lead over Vagrant and lost one rank in comparism to last year. It has 3 last places and 10 votes above 70%.
#21 ▼1 Pawn (Intrigue) Weighted Average: 42.3% ▼5.5pp / Unweighted Average: 43.1% / Median: 42.9% ▼9.5pp / Standard Deviation: 17.6%

Pawn lost also one rank, but a quite a bit more in its average value. It would be one rank higher in the unweighted ranking. It has a pretty low deviation as it was never voted last and has also only 8 votes above 70%.
#20 ▲2 Cellar (Base) Weighted Average: 42.9% ▼0.3pp / Unweighted Average: 42.8% / Median: 41.2% ▼1.7pp / Standard Deviation: 18.4%

Cellar's average value stayed basically the same, but still it's 2 ranks higher than last time. It would be below Pawn in the unweighted ranking. It was voted last 3 times and 10 times above 70%.
#19 Travelling Fair (Adventures) Weighted Average: 47.8% / Unweighted Average: 45.7% / Median: 46.9% / Standard Deviation: 23.1%

Travelling Fair is the third new event in this list. It has a pretty high deviation. It was voted last once and 14 times above 70%, even once on the first rank.
#18 Save (Adventures) Weighted Average: 50.8% / Unweighted Average: 48.2% / Median: 43.8% / Standard Deviation: 22.4%

And we're now above 50% and here comes even the fourth event. It was voted below 30% 15 times and above 70% 15 times as well.
#17 =0 Native Village (Seaside) Weighted Average: 51.7% ▲0.8pp / Unweighted Average: 53.9% / Median: 53.9% ▲1.5pp / Standard Deviation: 19.2%

Native Village stayed on the same rank with almost the same average value. It would be one rank higher in the unweighted list. It was voted 12 times below 30%.
#16 Borrow (Adventures) Weighted Average: 52.7% / Unweighted Average: 52.2% / Median: 53.1% / Standard Deviation: 23.5%

And the fifth event! Borrow would be one rank lower in the unweighted ranking. It has the highest deviation in this list so far. It was voted 13 times below 30% with 2 last ranks.
#15 Raze (Adventures) Weighted Average: 54.2% / Unweighted Average: 54.4% / Median: 53.6% / Standard Deviation: 24.9%

Finally the first real card from Adventures. It has the third highest deviation in this list. It was voted 18 times below 30%, but on the other side first twice.
#14 Alms (Adventures) Weighted Average: 56.8% / Unweighted Average: 58.9% / Median: 65.6% / Standard Deviation: 27.6%

And the next event. Alms would be two ranks higher in the unweighted ranking. It has by far the highest deviation in this list. It was voted 15 times below 30%.
#13 Coin of the Realm (Adventures) Weighted Average: 58.1% / Unweighted Average: 57.7% / Median: 59.4% / Standard Deviation: 20.9%

The fourth Adventures card in a row! Coin of the Realm would be one rank lower in the unweighted ranking. It was voted 8 times below 30% with one last rank.
#12 =0 Crossroads (Hinterlands) Weighted Average: 58.6% ▼1.7pp / Unweighted Average: 58.3% / Median: 59.4% ▼2.5pp / Standard Deviation: 20.0%

Crossroads lost a little bit, but stayed on the same rank. It would be one rank lower in the unweighted ranking. It was voted 12 times below 30%.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2015 Edition: $0-$2 cards
« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2015, 08:56:47 am »
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The Best - Cards (Part 3/3)

#11 ▼1 Candlestick Maker (Guilds) Weighted Average: 61.7% ▼5.7pp / Unweighted Average: 63.0% / Median: 62.5% ▼8.9pp / Standard Deviation: 18.1%

Candlestick Maker lost in its average value and also a rank. It was voted only 4 times below 30%, once on the last rank. It has also two first ranks.
#10 Ratcatcher (Adventures) Weighted Average: 65.4% / Unweighted Average: 64.1% / Median: 65.6% / Standard Deviation: 17.9%

Ratcatcher is the next Adventures card. It was voted only 3 times below 30%.
#9 ▼2 Squire (Dark Ages) Weighted Average: 69.6% ▼2.0pp / Unweighted Average: 68.6% / Median: 71.4% ▼4.8pp / Standard Deviation: 17.7%

Squire lost only 2pp, but still lost 2 ranks. It was voted 13 times below average and once on the first rank.
#8 =0 Lighthouse (Seaside) Weighted Average: 72.3% ▲2.1pp / Unweighted Average: 72.6% / Median: 75.0% ▲3.6pp / Standard Deviation: 17.2%

Lighthouse is slightly better, but is still on the same rank. It has a pretty low deviation. It was voted 10 times below 50% and has 2 first ranks.
#7 ▼1 Hamlet (Cornucopia) Weighted Average: 76.4% ▼4.3pp / Unweighted Average: 76.3% / Median: 81.0% ▼4.7pp / Standard Deviation: 18.9%

Hamlet lost this year one rank again. But it would be even 3 ranks higher in the unweighted ranking. It was voted only 7 times below 50%.
#6 ▼2 Fool's Gold (Hinterlands) Weighted Average: 76.5% ▼6.6pp / Unweighted Average: 76.0% / Median: 84.% ▼1.3pp / Standard Deviation: 20.8%

Fool's Gold is a big loser, it lost over 6pp and 2 ranks and it's only 0.05pp better than Hamlet, so it was very close. It would be one rank higher in the unweighted ranking. It was voted 11 times below average and 3 times on the first rank.
#5 =0 Courtyard (Intrigue) Weighted Average: 76.7% ▼4.2pp / Unweighted Average: 74.2% / Median: 80.1% ▼5.6pp / Standard Deviation: 21.1%

Courtyard lost a bit, but is still on the same rank, although it's only 0.25pp better than Fool's Gold and 0.3pp better than Hamlet. It would be 2 ranks lower in the unweighted ranking. It was voted 12 times below average and 3 times on the first rank.
#4 ▲6 Stonemason (Guilds) Weighted Average: 79.7% ▲15.4pp / Unweighted Average: 74.5% / Median: 81.3% ▲9.9pp / Standard Deviation: 22.8%

Stonemason is the big winner in this year's list. It's over 15pp and 6 ranks better, wow! In the unweighted ranking it would be 2 ranks lower. It was 14 times below 50% with 2 ranks. On the other side it was voted 3 times on the first rank.
#3 Peasant (Adventures) Weighted Average: 82.2% / Unweighted Average: 77.0% / Median: 87.5% / Standard Deviation: 25.0%

Peasant is the second best new Adventures card. It has also the second highest deviation in this list with 9 votes below average with one last rank on one side and 7 first ranks on the other side.
#2 Page (Adventures) Weighted Average: 87.6% / Unweighted Average: 82.1% / Median: 90.6% / Standard Deviation: 21.2%

Page is the best Adventures card in this list which means that both Travellers are in the Top 3. It has 8 votes below average and 4 first ranks.
#1 =0 Chapel (Base) Weighted Average: 97.6% ▲1.5pp / Unweighted Average: 95.4% / Median: 100% =0pp / Standard Deviation: 12.0%

Chapel is without a doubt still #1 with a lead of exactly 10pp and the lowest deviation in this list. It was only voted below average twice and was voted first 76 times!
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2015 Edition: $0-$2 cards
« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2015, 09:03:47 am »
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#5 =0 Ruined Village (Dark Ages)

Everyone voted it last except one person who voted it first.

#33 ▼1 Duchess (Hinterlands)

It has 26 last votes and no votes above 50% except one who voted it first!

Someone has submitted his ranking upside down.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2015 Edition: $0-$2 cards
« Reply #4 on: November 04, 2015, 09:08:21 am »
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Apparently I am vastly underestimating the power of Raze... it sits near the bottom for me and is no where to be found in the bottom third. 
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2015 Edition: $0-$2 cards
« Reply #5 on: November 04, 2015, 09:09:53 am »
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No develop in the bottom third?!  Craziness!  Although I do agree with it.

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« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2015, 09:10:18 am »
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Apparently I am vastly underestimating the power of Raze... it sits near the bottom for me and is no where to be found in the bottom third.
Non terminal trashing is best kind. That's why lookout is the best card in the game. ;)
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2015 Edition: $0-$2 cards
« Reply #7 on: November 04, 2015, 09:17:06 am »
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So, yesterday I adjusted the color levels of all the cards I had scanned personally, and reuploaded them.  Basically everything except Base, Cornucopia, Dark Ages, and Envoy.  I think now the card images are a lot more consistent with each other - before there was an awkward range of darkness and washed-out-ness.  How does everyone else think they're looking?  I still need to do the Events.  Should I scan in Base, Cornucopia and Envoy?  And I can just take the already scanned Dark Ages images and adjust their color levels, as they're fairly high quality (if lower resolution) already.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2015 Edition: $0-$2 cards
« Reply #8 on: November 04, 2015, 10:09:45 am »
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Quest isn't THAT bad, guys. It's a nice way to speed up games where you're full of junk, and it gives Sea Hag a reason to exist after the Curses are gone (though Quest itself drives you away from Curse). I certainly like it better than Moat.
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« Reply #9 on: November 04, 2015, 10:18:06 am »
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I think we are under rating scouting party. It is often a good buy to cycle, especially with these new travellers.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2015 Edition: $0-$2 cards
« Reply #10 on: November 04, 2015, 10:21:46 am »
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I think we are under rating scouting party. It is often a good buy to cycle, especially with these new travellers.

Let's be real, the word "Scout" is a mental block that many won't ever get past.

Scouting Party really isn't very good, but I buy it more than most of these other 2s just for the cycling or for clearing top of deck junk.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2015 Edition: $0-$2 cards
« Reply #11 on: November 04, 2015, 10:23:15 am »
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I think we are under rating scouting party. It is often a good buy to cycle, especially with these new travellers.

I dislike that the discarding is mandatory.  But if it isn't mandatory, then sometimes you'd just look at the top 5 and reorder them.  For .  When the only card that can possibly care about that order is Outpost.  So.  Eh.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2015 Edition: $0-$2 cards
« Reply #12 on: November 04, 2015, 10:25:31 am »
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I dislike that the discarding is mandatory.  But if it isn't mandatory, then sometimes you'd just look at the top 5 and reorder them.  For .  When the only card that can possibly care about that order is Outpost.  So.  Eh.

Alchemist, Scheme, Watchtower, Nomad Camp, Treasury, Herbalist and probably others care as well.

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« Reply #13 on: November 04, 2015, 10:29:32 am »
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Well, only one card outside of my bottom 11 made it into this list, and it was at #21.  I had Haven down there, which while not a bad card, is generally inconsequential in my opinion.  Beggar might be weak a lot of the time, but has a lot of value in certain strategies (especially with some Alt VP).  I guess it comes down to what people think is the better card: one that's not often good but can be really strong, or one that is never great but can often provide some small value.
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« Reply #14 on: November 04, 2015, 10:29:57 am »
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Scouting party-tunnel is way way fast
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« Reply #15 on: November 04, 2015, 11:14:46 am »
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the systematic and soul-crushing community bias against Duchess continues .
not that it's a good card, but I mean Secret Chamber, that's like, bad card de chez bad card.
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« Reply #16 on: November 04, 2015, 11:22:58 am »
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the systematic and soul-crushing community bias against Duchess continues .
not that it's a good card, but I mean Secret Chamber, that's like, bad card de chez bad card.
Duchess is free! You're too good for a free duchess?? take a Duchess.
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« Reply #17 on: November 04, 2015, 12:07:33 pm »
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Duchess is hard to rank... I'm guessing one of the main ways in which people ranked cards was by thinking "If I had to spend, what would I buy? And in this situation, the fact that you can get Duchess for free actually works against Duchess, even though it's an ability that makes Duchess better, not worse.

One can also ask "If I could have any in my hand to play right now, what do I wish that card were? And again, the ability to get Duchess for free isn't accounted for there either.
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« Reply #18 on: November 04, 2015, 12:07:57 pm »
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Once again...it wasn't me who put Duchess on the top!
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« Reply #19 on: November 04, 2015, 12:13:40 pm »
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Once again...it wasn't me who put Duchess on the top!

So you like to be on top instead?
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« Reply #20 on: November 04, 2015, 12:19:09 pm »
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Once again...it wasn't me who put Duchess on the top!

So you like to be on top instead?
Dude...I'm like half your age.
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« Reply #21 on: November 04, 2015, 12:23:09 pm »
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Once again...it wasn't me who put Duchess on the top!

So you like to be on top instead?
Dude...I'm like half your age.

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« Reply #22 on: November 04, 2015, 12:29:40 pm »
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Once again...it wasn't me who put Duchess on the top!

So you like to be on top instead?
Dude...I'm like half your age.

Hey, I'm not that old.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2015 Edition: $0-$2 cards
« Reply #23 on: November 04, 2015, 12:37:17 pm »
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Duchess is a terminal silver with a big benefit for your opponent.  One might think that terminal silver for $2 is good, but both Duchess and Embargo are near the bottom.

Secret Chamber is usually quite bad, but the reaction can be very helpful in top-deck inspection attacks (esp Knights, Swindler) or to help line up a village with draw.  Also, when it is possible to discard a bunch of stuff for cash and re-draw it, SC becomes bonkers. It also can't directly help your opponent without your direct consent, such as top-decking a province to get swindled into Prince/Peddler or something like that.  The "bonkers" potential is likely what gets it the nod over Duchess.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2015 Edition: $0-$2 cards
« Reply #24 on: November 04, 2015, 12:47:38 pm »
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To add to that, I also think the top-deck inspection is a bit better for the enemy than it is for oneself. If I ever play with a duchess, I'll play it at the end of my turn where I get to inspect one of my 5starting cards for the next turn (usually) while my opponent can inspect which card he's going to draw next. I do find it rarely better than Silver besides on Pool boards maybe.

Secret Chamber is usually pretty bad, but there are atleast situaitions where it's close to decent.

I for one, am interested where the rest of the events ended up, I put them pretty far down except one of them. (As in 17-22).
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