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The Dominion Cards Lists 2015 Edition: Prizes
« on: November 17, 2015, 11:30:50 am »
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The Best Prizes

68 votes in this list.

#5 =0 Bag of Gold Weighted Average: 8.8% ▼3.1pp / Unweighted Average: 11.8% / Median: 0% / Standard Deviation: 15.1%

Bag of Gold is the worst prize again while being 3pp worse. It has the lowest deviation in this list. It was voted last 40 times and never above #3.
#4 =0 Diadem Weighted Average: 17.2% ▲3.1pp / Unweighted Average: 16.5% / Median: 25.0% / Standard Deviation: 15.8%

Diadem stays on the same rank as well but it is 3pp better. It was voted 26 times last and only on #4 and #5 except once where it was voted first.
#3 =0 Princess Weighted Average: 56.1% ▲0.6pp / Unweighted Average: 55.5% / Median: 50.0% / Standard Deviation: 16.5%

We're making the biggest jump in this list: Princess stays as well where it was and has also basically the same average value. It was voted last once and 4 times first.
#2 =0 Trusty Steed Weighted Average: 78.2% ▲5.0pp / Unweighted Average: 77.6% / Median: 75.0% / Standard Deviation: 16.7%

Trusty Steed made the biggest jump in this list: it's 5pp better, but still on the same rank. It was voted first 18 times, never last and once on #4.
#1 =0 Followers Weighted Average: 89.8% ▼5.7pp / Unweighted Average: 88.6% / Median: 100% / Standard Deviation: 18.9%

Followers is still #1, but lost the most in this list, nearly 6pp. It is also the card with the highest deviation in this list. It was voted first 45 times and always between #1 and #3 except once where it was voted last.

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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2015 Edition: Prizes
« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2015, 12:01:21 pm »
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This is probably the least contentious list.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2015 Edition: Prizes
« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2015, 12:05:07 pm »
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Well, Princess should be higher, but other than that, there isn't much to disagree with.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2015 Edition: Prizes
« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2015, 12:08:57 pm »
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I'm pleased to see the Estate gainer outranking both the Silver and the Gold gainers.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2015 Edition: Prizes
« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2015, 12:15:52 pm »
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.oO(I'm wondering if Adam will even read this topic ;-P)

it's close between Trusty Steed and Followers, usually one of these 2 is picked up first, right ?
I like the Steed a little bit better, but often enough i get followers first if i've the chance, only because i don't want an opponent to have it :-D
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2015 Edition: Prizes
« Reply #5 on: November 17, 2015, 12:19:59 pm »
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Steed's better.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2015 Edition: Prizes
« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2015, 12:26:48 pm »
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Followers or Steed first is board and deck dependent. If you have a thin enough deck that you can win another tournament the same turn, obviously you go full Steed ahead, or if you're playing a board with other curse or discard attacks etc.

The biggest shock to me here is that the guy who filled his list out backward thought Diadem and another card were worse than Bag of Gold.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2015 Edition: Prizes
« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2015, 12:48:31 pm »
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Followers is less useful in the presence of other Attacks, particularly other cursers.  In that case, I'd probably snag Steed first.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2015 Edition: Prizes
« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2015, 12:50:54 pm »
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Steed is a nice consolation prize if you don't get the card that you actually want (usually Princess, sometimes Followers). It's hardly ever the reason why you buy a Tournament.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2015 Edition: Prizes
« Reply #9 on: November 17, 2015, 12:51:08 pm »
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No love for Duchy? You can take it as your prize, and I often do if my choice is Bag of Gold or a Diadem masquerading as a Silver.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2015 Edition: Prizes
« Reply #10 on: November 17, 2015, 01:22:04 pm »
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Followers on average is the strongest choice. It draws, attacks, and runs out two piles at once. Preventing your opponent from hitting $8 lets your Tourneys proceed unimpeded and keeps their hands off the rest of the prizes.

Trusty Steed is okay, only really important if it's the only village.

Princess has the most potential out of all the prizes. It can supercharge an already good engine. Even without an engine it's rarely worse than terminal +$4.

Diadem is a big shiny Treasure and that's it - unless King's Court gets involved, then it's craaaazy.

Bag of Gold is usually junk. Get it if you're really money-starved and all the other prizes are gone.

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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2015 Edition: Prizes
« Reply #11 on: November 17, 2015, 01:26:34 pm »
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I feel for Bag of Gold. Nobody wants it  :-[
Would Bag of Gold not be junk if it put the gold into your hand? Or gave two golds?

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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2015 Edition: Prizes
« Reply #12 on: November 17, 2015, 01:41:03 pm »
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I think the Gold in hand would be great, but gaining two Golds would not change anything about the card.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2015 Edition: Prizes
« Reply #13 on: November 17, 2015, 03:03:41 pm »
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I feel for Bag of Gold. Nobody wants it  :-[
Would Bag of Gold not be junk if it put the gold into your hand? Or gave two golds?

The reason it's worse than Diadem for me is that Diadem going to your hand sometimes lets you spike a Province that turn, but Bag of Gold really doesn't. By the time you would get it, the Duchy is more valuable almost all the time.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2015 Edition: Prizes
« Reply #14 on: November 17, 2015, 04:05:25 pm »
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princess not in the top 2 is ridic, think i had it #1? prob wrong but steed is EZ #3

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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2015 Edition: Prizes
« Reply #15 on: November 17, 2015, 04:13:39 pm »
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I still agree with Followers > Steed > Princess. There are games where any one of those 3 is the correct first prize to take. I value the flexibility of Trusty Steed a lot.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2015 Edition: Prizes
« Reply #16 on: November 17, 2015, 04:16:54 pm »
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The list seems good to me.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2015 Edition: Prizes
« Reply #17 on: November 17, 2015, 04:33:07 pm »
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I think that bag o' gold needs to become something that is good even if it's only situationally good. No one is ever going to get tournament to get bag of gold.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2015 Edition: Prizes
« Reply #18 on: November 17, 2015, 04:36:47 pm »
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At the start of your turn until the end of the game +

That's just a Treasury.

And Bag of Gold is situationally good if you have Apprentice.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2015 Edition: Prizes
« Reply #19 on: November 17, 2015, 04:37:54 pm »
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For example:
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At the start of your turn until the end of the game +

That's just a Treasury.

Correction! It's a Treasury that doesn't go away when you buy a Victory card, but also doesn't do anything on the first turn you play it. But yeah, it's still weak for a Prize. Bump it up to +$2 and we can talk.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2015 Edition: Prizes
« Reply #20 on: November 17, 2015, 05:03:51 pm »
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I think having it gain to hand is enough to make it more attractive while keeping the spirit of the original (that is, being the best money gainer ever and still failing to be a power card). It would at least be able to try and compete with Princess and Diadem as payload.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2015 Edition: Prizes
« Reply #21 on: November 17, 2015, 05:09:27 pm »
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I think having it gain to hand is enough to make it more attractive while keeping the spirit of the original (that is, being the best money gainer ever and still failing to be a power card). It would at least be able to try and compete with Princess and Diadem as payload.

No, it really wouldn't be even close to competing with Princess as payload. It would just be slightly better at giving your Apprentice $6 cards to trash.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2015 Edition: Prizes
« Reply #22 on: November 17, 2015, 05:18:07 pm »
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I think having it gain to hand is enough to make it more attractive while keeping the spirit of the original (that is, being the best money gainer ever and still failing to be a power card). It would at least be able to try and compete with Princess and Diadem as payload.

No, it really wouldn't be even close to competing with Princess as payload. It would just be slightly better at giving your Apprentice $6 cards to trash.

I agree, Princess is oh so much better. But well, if I have a hand of 5 coins right now, I might take the Bag of Gold.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2015 Edition: Prizes
« Reply #23 on: November 17, 2015, 05:23:00 pm »
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It would make it about a non-terminal explorer. But hey, they can't all be the best prize ever.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2015 Edition: Prizes
« Reply #24 on: November 17, 2015, 05:55:11 pm »
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Think of all the times your opponent has won the first tournament and while waiting, you've frantically whispered to yourself "dont-take-followers-dont-take-followers-dont-take-followers." Now think of all the times you've said "dont-take-princess-dont-take-princess-dont-take-princess." That will tell you which card is better.
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