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The Dominion Cards Lists 2015 Edition: $4 cards
« on: November 11, 2015, 08:08:33 am »
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The Best Cards - Part 1/6

60+ votes for Adventures cards, 86+ votes for the rest.

#66 =0 Scout (Intrigue) Weighted Average: 3.6% ▼0.9pp / Unweighted Average: 5.7% / Median: 0% =0pp / Standard Deviation: 14.3%

Scout is the worst $4 card again. It hasn't the lowest deviation anymore, but is still clearly last. It was voted last 54 times, more than half the voters. It was voted twice above average, even on the first rank once.
#65 =0 Thief (Base) Weighted Average: 6.0% ▼2.8pp / Unweighted Average: 7.0% / Median: 3.5% ▼0.1pp / Standard Deviation: 9.4%

Thief is also on the same rank with a worse average value. It has the lowest deviation in this list. It was voted last 10 times and once above average.
#64 ▼3 Navigator (Seaside) Weighted Average: 11.8% ▼5.7pp / Unweighted Average: 12.9% / Median: 9.5% ▼4.8pp / Standard Deviation: 12.3%

We're making a jump of almost 6pp and we're finding Navigator which lost 3 ranks. It has the second lowest deviation in this list. It was voted 4 times last and 4 times above average.
#63 ▲1 Feast (Base) Weighted Average: 12.2% ▼0.9pp / Unweighted Average: 13.6% / Median: 9.2% ▼1.5pp / Standard Deviation: 14.6%

After losing quite a lot last year, Feast is one rank higher this time although it is slightly worse than last year. It was voted last 3 times and 3 times above average as well.
#62 =0 Treasure Map (Seaside) Weighted Average: 13.8% ▼2.4pp / Unweighted Average: 15.5% / Median: 12.3% ▼2.0pp / Standard Deviation: 12.8%

Treasure Map stayed where it was, but it is slightly weaker than last year. It has the fourth lowest deviation in this list. It was voted last 3 times and above average twice.
#61 ▼3 Pirate Ship (Seaside) Weighted Average: 14.3% ▼5.0pp / Unweighted Average: 17.1% / Median: 9.8% ▼6.3pp / Standard Deviation: 20.5%

Pirate Ship is 3 ranks and 5pp worse. It has a pretty high deviation for such a low ranked card. It would be one rank higher in the unweighted ranking. It was voted 5 times last and 7 times above average.
#60 ▼1 Bureaucrat (Base) Weighted Average: 15.8% ▼2.0pp / Unweighted Average: 17.5% / Median: 14.3% ▼5.3pp / Standard Deviation: 12.5%

Bureaucrat is one rank and 2pp worse than last year. It has the third lowest deviation in this list. It would be one rank higher in the unweighted list. It was voted last once and 3 times above average.
#59 ▲4 Coppersmith (Intrigue) Weighted Average: 15.9% ▲0.6pp / Unweighted Average: 17.6% / Median: 13.1% ▲0.6pp / Standard Deviation: 14.1%

Coppersmith is 4 ranks better while having only a slightly better average value. It has only a small lead of 0.04pp over Bureaucrat and would be one rank higher in the unweighted list. It was voted 3 times above average.
#58 ▲2 Spy (Base) Weighted Average: 16.4% ▼1.1pp / Unweighted Average: 16.7% / Median: 12.5% ▼1.8pp / Standard Deviation: 14.0%

Spy is 2 ranks better although it is slightly worse in average. It would be 3 ranks worse in the unweighted ranking. It has one last rank and 5 votes above 50%.   
#57 ▼3 Taxman (Guilds) Weighted Average: 20.8% ▼7.2pp / Unweighted Average: 24.3% / Median: 19.6% ▼7.2pp / Standard Deviation: 16.4%

We're making a jump of over 4pp. Taxman is over 7pp and 3 ranks worse. It was voted 8 times above average.
#56 ▲1 Talisman (Prosperity) Weighted Average: 23.6% ▲2.3pp / Unweighted Average: 26.0% / Median: 21.9% ▲4.0pp / Standard Deviation: 17.2%

Talisman is one rank higher than last year. It would be 2 ranks higher in the unweighted ranking. It was voted last once and 12 times above average.

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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2015 Edition: $4 cards
« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2015, 08:08:44 am »
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The Best Cards - Part 2/6

#55 ▲1 Rats (Dark Ages) Weighted Average: 23.9% ▲0.5pp / Unweighted Average: 24.9% / Median: 20.0% ▲0.4pp / Standard Deviation: 19.5%

Rats has basically the same average value, but is one rank higher. It was voted last once and 7 times above average.
#54 ▼1 Noble Brigand (Hinterlands) Weighted Average: 24.0% ▼2.1pp / Unweighted Average: 26.5% / Median: 23.2% ▼5.4pp / Standard Deviation: 17.1%

Noble Brigand lost a little bit and also one rank. It would be one rank higher in the unweighted ranking. It has only a small lead of 0.07pp over Rats. It was voted last once and 10 times above 50%.
#53 ▲2 Nomad Camp (Hinterlands) Weighted Average: 25.0% ▼3.0pp / Unweighted Average: 24.9% / Median: 21.4% =0pp / Standard Deviation: 16.8%

Nomad Camp has a worse average value, but is still 2 ranks higher than before. It would be 3 ranks lower in the unweighted ranking. It has a pretty low deviation. It was voted last once and 8 times above average.
#52 ▼1 Feodum (Dark Ages) Weighted Average: 27.0% ▼4.9pp / Unweighted Average: 27.8% / Median: 23.1% ▼6.9pp / Standard Deviation: 18.9%

Feodum is nearly 5pp and one rank worse. It was voted 13 times above average.
#51 Messenger (Adventures) Weighted Average: 30.4% / Unweighted Average: 32.5% / Median: 27.7% / Standard Deviation: 20.0%

Messenger is the worst new card in this list. It was voted 13 times above average.
#50 ▼2 Death Cart (Dark Ages) Weighted Average: 33.2% ▼2.8pp / Unweighted Average: 37.1% / Median: 30.8% ▼4.9pp / Standard Deviation: 21.9%

Death Cart has a worse average value and is also 2 ranks worse than last year. It would be 4 ranks higher in the unweighted ranking. It has the highest deviation in this list so far. It was voted 20 times above average.
#49 ▼3 Trader (Hinterlands) Weighted Average: 34.8% ▼7.6pp / Unweighted Average: 36.9% / Median: 33.9% ▼7.2pp / Standard Deviation: 17.2%

Trader is over 7pp and 3 ranks worse. It would be one rank higher in the unweighted ranking. It was voted last once and 4 times above 70%.
#48 ▲3 Walled Village (Promo) Weighted Average: 35.8% ▲5.4pp / Unweighted Average: 36.1% / Median: 33.9% ▲5.3pp / Standard Deviation: 17.9%

Walled Village is the worst of the 8 $4 villages. It's over 5pp and 3 ranks better than last year. It would be one rank lower in the unweighted ranking. It was voted last once and 6 times above 70%.
#47 ▼2 Island (Seaside) Weighted Average: 36.6% ▼5.9pp / Unweighted Average: 39.0% / Median: 37.5% ▼7.1pp / Standard Deviation: 18.7%

Island is nearly 6pp and 2 ranks worse than last year. It would be 2 ranks higher in the unweighted ranking. It was voted last once and 7 times above 70%.
#46 ▲3 Armory (Dark Ages) Weighted Average: 36.9% ▲3.2pp / Unweighted Average: 35.1% / Median: 33.9% ▲3.6pp / Standard Deviation: 19.3%

Armory is 3 ranks higher than last year. It would be 4 ranks lower in the unweighted ranking though. It was voted last once and 5 times above 70%.
#45 ▼1 Baron (Intrigue) Weighted Average: 38.0% ▼5.1pp / Unweighted Average: 37.1% / Median: 36.9% ▼4.2pp / Standard Deviation: 19.5%

Baron lost over 5pp, but only one rank. It would be even 2 more ranks lower in the unweighted ranking. It was voted last once and 5 times above 70%.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2015 Edition: $4 cards
« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2015, 08:08:50 am »
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The Best Cards - Part 3/6

#44 ▼5 Silk Road (Hinterlands) Weighted Average: 38.4% ▼14.3pp / Unweighted Average: 39.2% / Median: 33.9% ▼17.9pp / Standard Deviation: 21.5%

After losing 13 ranks last year, Silk Road loses again over 14pp and 5 ranks. It would be one rank higher in the unweighted ranking. It was voted 10 times above 70%.
#43 Miser (Adventures) Weighted Average: 38.5% / Unweighted Average: 39.1% / Median: 36.5% / Standard Deviation: 21.2%

Miser is the second worst new Adventures card in this list. It has a small lead over Silk Road of 0.12pp and would be below it in the unweighted ranking. It was voted 8 times above 70%.
#42 Pilgrimage (Adventures) Weighted Average: 43.8% / Unweighted Average: 42.3% / Median: 40.0% / Standard Deviation: 24.6%

We're making a big jump of 5.3pp and Pilgrimage is the first new event in this list. It has the third highest deviation in this list. It was voted last once and 12 times above 70%.
#41 ▼6 Gardens (Base) Weighted Average: 46.1% ▼7.1pp / Unweighted Average: 49.2% / Median: 44.6% ▼9.0pp / Standard Deviation: 23.2%

Just like Silk Road, Gardens lost quite a bit, 6 ranks just like last year. It would be still 5 ranks higher in the unweighted list. It has the fourth highest deviation in this list with 22 votes above 70%.
#40 ▼2 Cutpurse (Seaside) Weighted Average: 46.7% ▼3.5pp / Unweighted Average: 46.2% / Median: 44.6% ▼3.6pp / Standard Deviation: 20.4%

Cutpurse lost 3.5pp and 2 ranks. It was voted 12 times above 70%.
#39 ▲1 Remodel (Base) Weighted Average: 47.8% ▲1.7pp / Unweighted Average: 49.0% / Median: 46.2% ▲1.6pp / Standard Deviation: 18.9%

Remodel is slightly better and one rank higher. It would be 2 ranks higher in the unweighted ranking. It was voted 12 times above 70%.
#38 ▲1 Mining Village (Intrigue) Weighted Average: 48.2% ▼0.3pp / Unweighted Average: 48.9% / Median: 48.4% ▲0.2pp / Standard Deviation: 18.0%

Mining Village is the 7th out of 8 villages. It has basically the same average value, but is one rank higher. It was voted 11 times above 70%.
#37 ▼6 Scavenger (Dark Ages) Weighted Average: 48.9% ▼5.0pp / Unweighted Average: 48.1% / Median: 49.2% ▼0.8pp / Standard Deviation: 19.6%

After being 10 ranks higher the last time, Scavenger is 6 ranks and 5pp worse this time. It would be even 2 more ranks lower in the unweighted ranking. It was voted 12 times above 70%.
#36 Mission (Adventures) Weighted Average: 50.3% / Unweighted Average: 46.0% / Median: 43.1% / Standard Deviation: 26.3%

We're now above 50% and we have Mission, the better one out of the two Event cards. It would be 5 ranks lower in the unweighted ranking. It has the highest deviation in this list. It was voted 17 times below 30%.
#35 ▼2 Farming Village (Cornucopia) Weighted Average: 50.4% ▼2.9pp / Unweighted Average: 51.6% / Median: 52.3% ▼1.3pp / Standard Deviation: 20.5%

Farming Village is the 6th out of 8 villages and is only 0.03pp better than Mission. It would be one rank higher in the unweighted ranking. It was voted first once and 13 times below 30%.
#34 Ranger (Adventures) Weighted Average: 52.3% / Unweighted Average: 51.2% / Median: 50.8% / Standard Deviation: 23.2%

Ranger is the next new card. It has the fifth highest deviation in this list. It was voted first once and 11 times below 30%.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2015 Edition: $4 cards
« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2015, 08:08:57 am »
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The Best Cards - Part 4/6

#33 ▼5 Horse Traders (Cornucopia) Weighted Average: 53.4% ▼2.2pp / Unweighted Average: 53.2% / Median: 50.0% ▼7.1pp / Standard Deviation: 17.0%

Horse Traders is slightly worse, but 5 ranks lower than last year. It would be one rank higher in the unweighted ranking. It has a pretty low deviation. It was voted 7 times below 30%.
#32 ▲12 Advisor (Guilds) Weighted Average: 53.9% ▲15.4pp / Unweighted Average: 53.1% / Median: 53.9% ▲18.2pp / Standard Deviation: 21.5%

Advisor is a big winner this year, it's over 15pp and 12 ranks better. It would be one rank lower in the unweighted list. It was voted 14 times below 30%.
#31 ▲3 Fortress (Dark Ages) Weighted Average: 54.8% ▲2.1pp / Unweighted Average: 56.3% / Median: 55.4% ▲1.8pp / Standard Deviation: 19.0%

Fortress is the 5th out of 8 villages. It's 3 ranks higher than last year and would be even 2 more ranks higher in the unweighted list. It was voted first 3 times and 7 times below 30%.
#30 ▼4 Ironworks (Intrigue) Weighted Average: 55.3% ▼1.5pp / Unweighted Average: 54.2% / Median: 56.3% ▲2.7pp / Standard Deviation: 20.8%

After being 17 ranks better last year, Ironworks lost 4 ranks this year again. It was voted 16 times below 30%.
#29 ▲1 Moneylender (Base) Weighted Average: 55.6% ▲2.0pp / Unweighted Average: 53.9% / Median: 53.2% ▼0.4pp / Standard Deviation: 19.7%

Moneylender has a better average and is also one rank better. It would be 2 ranks lower in the unweighted list. It was voted last once and 10 times below 30%.   
#28 Transmogrify (Adventures) Weighted Average: 57.4% / Unweighted Average: 60.0% / Median: 63.5% / Standard Deviation: 20.9%

Transmogrify is the fourth best Adventures card in this list. It would be 3 ranks higher in the unweighted list. It was voted 8 times below 30%.
#27 Duplicate (Adventures) Weighted Average: 57.9% / Unweighted Average: 59.7% / Median: 60.0% / Standard Deviation: 19.4%

Duplicate is the second Adventures card in a row and the third best in this list. It would be one rank higher in the unweighted list. It was voted 6 times below 30%.
#26 ▲3 Envoy (Promo) Weighted Average: 58.5% ▲5.0pp / Unweighted Average: 60.1% / Median: 63.1% ▲7.7pp / Standard Deviation: 22.1%

Envoy is 3 ranks and 5pp better than last year. It would be 2 ranks higher in the unweighted list. It was voted first and last once each and 10 times below 30%.
#25 ▲12 Procession (Dark Ages) Weighted Average: 59.1% ▲14.6pp / Unweighted Average: 57.0% / Median: 57.1% ▲17.8pp / Standard Deviation: 26.2%

After losing 8 ranks last year Procession is 12 ranks higher this year - just like Advisor. It would be 3 ranks lower in the unweighted list. It has the second highest deviation with 21 votes below 30% and one vote on the first rank.
#24 ▼1 Salvager (Seaside) Weighted Average: 59.6% ▼4.2pp / Unweighted Average: 59.6% / Median: 61.5% ▼4.6pp / Standard Deviation: 18.5%

Salvager loses over 4pp and one rank. It would be even 3 more ranks lower in the unweighted ranking. It was voted 7 times below 30%.
#23 ▲2 Quarry (Prosperity) Weighted Average: 62.8% ▲6.6pp / Unweighted Average: 62.5% / Median: 63.9% ▲12.1pp / Standard Deviation: 22.3%

Quarry is 2 ranks and 6pp better than last year. It would be one rank higher in the unweighted ranking. It was voted first twice and 11 times below 30%.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2015 Edition: $4 cards
« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2015, 08:09:03 am »
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The Best Cards - Part 5/6

#22 =0 Conspirator (Intrigue) Weighted Average: 64.5% ▼0.2pp / Unweighted Average: 64.3% / Median: 67.3% ▲3.0pp / Standard Deviation: 19.6%

Conspirator stayed basically where it was. It would be one rank higher in the unweighted ranking. It was voted first once and 5 times below 30%.
#21 ▼3 Plaza (Guilds) Weighted Average: 65.6% ▼0.7pp / Unweighted Average: 62.5% / Median: 61.1% ▼6.8pp / Standard Deviation: 17.5%

Plaza is the 4th out of 8 villages. It has a similar average, but is still 3 ranks lower than last year. It would be 2 ranks lower in the unweighted list. It has a pretty low deviation as it was voted only 3 times below 30%.
#20 ▼4 Worker's Village (Prosperity) Weighted Average: 66.9% ▼2.2pp / Unweighted Average: 65.6% / Median: 68.5% ▼1.1pp / Standard Deviation: 19.7%

Worker's Village is the 3rd out of 8 villages. It is a little bit worse than last year and also 4 ranks lower. It was voted first once and 16 times below 50%.
#19 Port (Adventures) Weighted Average: 67.5% / Unweighted Average: 67.1% / Median: 68.3% / Standard Deviation: 21.8%

Port is the 2nd out of 8 villages, the third village in a row and the second best Adventures card in this list. It would be one rank higher in the unweighted list. It was voted 4 times first and 15 times below average.
#18 ▲2 Smithy (Base) Weighted Average: 67.8% ▲2.7pp / Unweighted Average: 65.9% / Median: 69.6% ▲7.1pp / Standard Deviation: 18.1%

Smithy is a little bit better than last year and 2 ranks higher as well. It would be one rank lower in the unweighted list. It was voted first once and 14 times below average.
#17 ▼5 Bishop (Prosperity) Weighted Average: 68.2% ▼4.7pp / Unweighted Average: 69.6% / Median: 70.8% ▼6.0pp / Standard Deviation: 19.3%

Bishop is nearly 5pp and 5 ranks worse than last year. It would be still 2 ranks higher in the unweighted ranking. It was voted first once and 15 times below average.
#16 ▼3 Caravan (Seaside) Weighted Average: 68.7% ▼3.2pp / Unweighted Average: 68.0% / Median: 73.9% ▼1.1pp / Standard Deviation: 19.0%

Caravan is over 3pp and 3 ranks worse than last year. It was voted first once and 17 times below average.
#15 ▼6 Monument (Prosperity) Weighted Average: 69.5% ▼7.2pp / Unweighted Average: 67.7% / Median: 70.8% ▼7.8pp / Standard Deviation: 19.8%

Monument is over 7pp worse and 6 ranks lower. It would be even 2 more ranks lower in the unweighted ranking. It was voted first once and 13 times below average.
#14 =0 Marauder (Dark Ages) Weighted Average: 71.5% ▼0.1pp / Unweighted Average: 70.5% / Median: 75.4% ▼3.2pp / Standard Deviation: 20.2%

Marauder basically didn't change at all. It was voted last once and 18 times below average.
#13 ▲3 Spice Merchant (Hinterlands) Weighted Average: 72.0% ▲5.2pp / Unweighted Average: 71.2% / Median: 75.8% ▲9.1pp / Standard Deviation: 17.6%

Spice Merchant is over 5pp better and 3 ranks higher. It was voted first once and 9 times below 50%.
#12 ▲6 Throne Room (Base) Weighted Average: 73.1% ▲7.4pp / Unweighted Average: 73.1% / Median: 78.1% ▲10.2pp / Standard Deviation: 18.5%

Throne Room is over 7pp better and 6 ranks higher. It was voted on the first rank once and 12 times below average.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2015 Edition: $4 cards
« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2015, 08:09:12 am »
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The Best Cards - Part 6/6

#11 ▼1 Militia (Base) Weighted Average: 74.1% ▼2.5pp / Unweighted Average: 75.1% / Median: 80.0% ▼0.4pp / Standard Deviation: 17.5%

Militia lost slightly in its average value and also lost a rank. It would be still one rank higher in the unweighted ranking. It was voted first once and 10 times below average.
#10 ▼3 Young Witch (Cornucopia) Weighted Average: 75.5% ▼2.6pp / Unweighted Average: 73.4% / Median: 79.0% ▼4.9pp / Standard Deviation: 20.2%

Young Witch lost about the same as Militia, but is 3 ranks lower instead of one. It would be below Militia in the unweighted ranking. It was voted 11 times below average.
#9 ▼7 Sea Hag (Seaside) Weighted Average: 77.8% ▼10.7pp / Unweighted Average: 78.9% / Median: 83.9% ▼10.7pp / Standard Deviation: 19.4%

Sea Hag isn't on #1 anymore. It even lost over 10pp and 7 ranks. It would be one rank higher in the unweighted ranking. It was still voted 8 times on the first rank and 9 times below average.
#8 ▲3 Bridge (Intrigue) Weighted Average: 81.2% ▲4.8pp / Unweighted Average: 80.8% / Median: 85.9% ▲7.3pp / Standard Deviation: 14.6%

Bridge is nearly 5pp and 3 ranks better. It would be 2 ranks higher in the unweighted ranking. It has a really low deviation as it was voted below average only 4 times.
#7 ▲12 Herald (Guilds) Weighted Average: 81.8% ▲16.5pp / Unweighted Average: 75.7% / Median: 83.1% ▲15.2pp / Standard Deviation: 21.8%

Just like Advisor and Procession, Herald is 12 ranks higher than last year with an over 16pp better average. It would be 2 ranks lower in the unweighted list. It was voted twice on the first rank and 13 times below average.
#6 ▲2 Wandering Minstrel (Dark Ages) Weighted Average: 85.1% ▲8.0pp / Unweighted Average: 80.3% / Median: 86.2% ▲5.8pp / Standard Deviation: 16.3%

After being 21 ranks better last year Wandering Minstrel is again 8pp and 2 ranks better, being still clearly the best village in this list. It would be one rank lower in the unweighted list. It was voted first once and 5 times below average.
#5 Magpie (Adventures) Weighted Average: 85.4% / Unweighted Average: 80.9% / Median: 91.1% / Standard Deviation: 21.9%

Magpie is the best Adventures card in this list. It was once voted last, 4 times on the first rank and 7 times below average.
#4 =0 Jack of all Trades (Hinterlands) Weighted Average: 85.4% ▼2.0pp / Unweighted Average: 84.1% / Median: 93.0% ▲0.1pp / Standard Deviation: 19.5%

Jack of all Trades - a former #1 - stays on the fourth rank while being slightly worse. It has a tiny lead over Magpie of 0.02pp. It was voted 10 times on the first rank and 5 times below average.
#3 ▲2 Ironmonger (Dark Ages) Weighted Average: 87.2% ▲5.8pp / Unweighted Average: 85.2% / Median: 89.2% ▲5.3pp / Standard Deviation: 15.3%

Ironmonger is nearly 6pp better and 2 ranks higher than before. It has a pretty low deviation. It was voted first 3 times, but below average also only 3 times.
#2 =0 Tournament (Cornucopia) Weighted Average: 90.3% ▲1.8pp / Unweighted Average: 88.7% / Median: 96.4% ▲5.3pp / Standard Deviation: 17.3%

Tournament stays on the second rank while being slightly better. In the unweighted ranking it would be #1. It was voted first 23 times and 3 times below average.
#1 ▲2 Remake (Cornucopia) Weighted Average: 92.5% ▲5.0pp / Unweighted Average: 87.9% / Median: 96.4% ▲3.5pp / Standard Deviation: 19.4%

Remake is the new #1. It climbed 2 ranks and is 5pp better. It would be one rank lower in the unweighted ranking. It was voted first 20 times (less often than Tournament) and 7 times below average.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2015 Edition: $4 cards
« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2015, 08:11:40 am »
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I DIDN'T PUT SCOUT ON THE FIRST RANK!

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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2015 Edition: $4 cards
« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2015, 08:13:24 am »
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Talisman should be higher: it gives you all the pile control.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2015 Edition: $4 cards
« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2015, 08:56:16 am »
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Talisman should be higher: it gives you all the pile control.

Not with Victory piles, which is its problem.

Navigator is surely better than Feast, though. :/
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2015 Edition: $4 cards
« Reply #9 on: November 11, 2015, 09:16:01 am »
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I think Miser belongs in the bottom tier.  I've played with Miser a half dozen times now, and I've never seen it pay off.  Every time someone gets one, they end up regretting it.  It's just too slow.  Removing one Copper from your deck with a terminal action is almost always a net downside (Moneylender provides +3 coin and is still merely average).  So you need to use the second ability enough times to make up for the lost value early.  If Miser is worth +3 coins, you'll certainly get a few uses of it, but terminal gold is meh.  You can't get 4 coins from Miser until you've played it at least five times!  And Miser doesn't help to cycle your deck much.  Now, you could dream of buying and using multiple Misers to speed this up, but it's terminal and you need a source of +buy to take advantage of it.  Too much work, not enough upside.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2015 Edition: $4 cards
« Reply #10 on: November 11, 2015, 09:34:26 am »
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I think Miser belongs in the bottom tier.  I've played with Miser a half dozen times now, and I've never seen it pay off.  Every time someone gets one, they end up regretting it.  It's just too slow.  Removing one Copper from your deck with a terminal action is almost always a net downside (Moneylender provides +3 coin and is still merely average).  So you need to use the second ability enough times to make up for the lost value early.  If Miser is worth +3 coins, you'll certainly get a few uses of it, but terminal gold is meh.  You can't get 4 coins from Miser until you've played it at least five times!  And Miser doesn't help to cycle your deck much.  Now, you could dream of buying and using multiple Misers to speed this up, but it's terminal and you need a source of +buy to take advantage of it.  Too much work, not enough upside.
I agree it's terrible (particularly in isolation), but I've seen it work (usually in combination with some kind of Throne variant).  Awful, but not bottom ten material, quite.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2015 Edition: $4 cards
« Reply #11 on: November 11, 2015, 09:43:31 am »
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Question about ranks gained/lost... I'm guessing that if a card was #5 before, but then an Adventures card is in the top 5 now, that the card would be #6 and thus show as having lost a rank, even if everything else were the same? If this is correct, then as a whole we should see 30 more ranks lost than ranks gained. Just an interesting note; it means that a card losing ranks doesn't mean it's now considered worse than last year.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2015 Edition: $4 cards
« Reply #12 on: November 11, 2015, 09:47:25 am »
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Question about ranks gained/lost... I'm guessing that if a card was #5 before, but then an Adventures card is in the top 5 now, that the card would be #6 and thus show as having lost a rank, even if everything else were the same? If this is correct, then as a whole we should see 30 more ranks lost than ranks gained. Just an interesting note; it means that a card losing ranks doesn't mean it's now considered worse than last year.

I think Qvist is comparing the list that you get when removing all the Adventures cards to the old lists. Otherwise, if Scout was last rank last time and is last rank now, it couldn't be =0.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2015 Edition: $4 cards
« Reply #13 on: November 11, 2015, 09:50:24 am »
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I think Miser belongs in the bottom tier.  I've played with Miser a half dozen times now, and I've never seen it pay off.  Every time someone gets one, they end up regretting it.  It's just too slow.  Removing one Copper from your deck with a terminal action is almost always a net downside (Moneylender provides +3 coin and is still merely average).  So you need to use the second ability enough times to make up for the lost value early.  If Miser is worth +3 coins, you'll certainly get a few uses of it, but terminal gold is meh.  You can't get 4 coins from Miser until you've played it at least five times!  And Miser doesn't help to cycle your deck much.  Now, you could dream of buying and using multiple Misers to speed this up, but it's terminal and you need a source of +buy to take advantage of it.  Too much work, not enough upside.

I do think it's one of the worst cards from the new expansion, but I don't think it should be in the bottom 10. Personally, I have it at #46 which is probably quite a bit overrated (I made it work once, so I still like the card :) )

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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2015 Edition: $4 cards
« Reply #14 on: November 11, 2015, 10:03:23 am »
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I think Miser belongs in the bottom tier.  I've played with Miser a half dozen times now, and I've never seen it pay off.  Every time someone gets one, they end up regretting it.  It's just too slow.  Removing one Copper from your deck with a terminal action is almost always a net downside (Moneylender provides +3 coin and is still merely average).  So you need to use the second ability enough times to make up for the lost value early.  If Miser is worth +3 coins, you'll certainly get a few uses of it, but terminal gold is meh.  You can't get 4 coins from Miser until you've played it at least five times!  And Miser doesn't help to cycle your deck much.  Now, you could dream of buying and using multiple Misers to speed this up, but it's terminal and you need a source of +buy to take advantage of it.  Too much work, not enough upside.

Miser is basically a Pirate Ship that works on yourself. They should really be around the same rank. At least Pirate Ship might hit a good opponents treasure someday, but Miser is a terminal that trashes a Copper and might be a terminal Gold after four shuffles. It's really not that good. I'm more likely to play Taxman or even Treasure Map.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2015 Edition: $4 cards
« Reply #15 on: November 11, 2015, 10:08:15 am »
+1

Question about ranks gained/lost... I'm guessing that if a card was #5 before, but then an Adventures card is in the top 5 now, that the card would be #6 and thus show as having lost a rank, even if everything else were the same? If this is correct, then as a whole we should see 30 more ranks lost than ranks gained. Just an interesting note; it means that a card losing ranks doesn't mean it's now considered worse than last year.

I think Qvist is comparing the list that you get when removing all the Adventures cards to the old lists. Otherwise, if Scout was last rank last time and is last rank now, it couldn't be =0.

faust is correct. Otherwise it would be silly to compare ranks as most of the cards are ranked worse than last year.

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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2015 Edition: $4 cards
« Reply #16 on: November 11, 2015, 10:54:22 am »
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 Scout ... even on the first rank once.

Fortune Teller .... even once on the first rank.


Duchess ... except one who voted it first!

Ruined Village .... Everyone voted it last except one person who voted it first.

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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2015 Edition: $4 cards
« Reply #17 on: November 11, 2015, 10:57:26 am »
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Like Taxman is fine, it's usually not that good, but on a board where it's the only terminal it's usually worth opening. Talisman on the other hand is ok when there's literally no other way to gain extra cards and there are power 4s and.....
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2015 Edition: $4 cards
« Reply #18 on: November 11, 2015, 11:17:08 am »
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Rats is already way too high, it's a deck-destroying trap card on more than 9 out of 10 boards. Should definitely be bottom tier. I voted it second-to-last myself, just above Scout.

Taxman is slightly underrated imo. It may be a terminal without direct benefit to yourself, but it's still a pretty cool Mine/Cutpurse mash-up that really shines on some boards. I have it on #42.

I agree Miser doesn't belong down here, it's really awesome if you can play it often. I Princed a Miser once which is absolutely crazy. It was basically +$6 every turn at some point.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2015 Edition: $4 cards
« Reply #19 on: November 11, 2015, 12:18:33 pm »
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 Scout ... even on the first rank once.

Fortune Teller .... even once on the first rank.


Duchess ... except one who voted it first!

Ruined Village .... Everyone voted it last except one person who voted it first.

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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2015 Edition: $4 cards
« Reply #20 on: November 11, 2015, 12:51:30 pm »
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Navigator is surely better than Feast, though. :/

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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2015 Edition: $4 cards
« Reply #21 on: November 11, 2015, 12:56:30 pm »
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Rats is already way too high, it's a deck-destroying trap card on more than 9 out of 10 boards. Should definitely be bottom tier. I voted it second-to-last myself, just above Scout.

I don't think how good a card is when you randomly add it to a deck is a good measure of the goodness of a card. You buy Rats when you shouldn't and you definitely play the card from your hand too often. Doesn't make Rats worse than Thief and Spy. Rats has its place, Thief just really doesn't.

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I agree Miser doesn't belong down here, it's really awesome if you can play it often. I Princed a Miser once which is absolutely crazy. It was basically +$6 every turn at some point.

Okay, but you really don't get to Prince it every game. Cards being crazy good with Prince doesn't make them like, ever good in general... you could say the exact same thing about Pirate Ship and there's a pretty clear consensus on that card.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2015 Edition: $4 cards
« Reply #22 on: November 11, 2015, 01:31:15 pm »
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Had the same bottom 11, except Miser switched with Bureaucrat.  I probably overrated Bureaucrat, but it has its uses in the right situations.  And I'm sure Miser is coming up in the next section.

Taxman should be ahead of Talisman, but we're looking at some pretty fringe-use cards here and splitting hairs.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2015 Edition: $4 cards
« Reply #23 on: November 11, 2015, 01:43:52 pm »
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Rats is already way too high, it's a deck-destroying trap card on more than 9 out of 10 boards. Should definitely be bottom tier. I voted it second-to-last myself, just above Scout.

I don't think how good a card is when you randomly add it to a deck is a good measure of the goodness of a card. You buy Rats when you shouldn't and you definitely play the card from your hand too often. Doesn't make Rats worse than Thief and Spy. Rats has its place, Thief just really doesn't.

Every card has its place. Thief is good in some games with strong trashing but no virtual money. I think Rats is more situational than Thief, it is generally weaker and shines on a smaller amount of boards. I don't think I've actually bought Rats more than a couple of times in my life, and I don't think I've EVER been glad about buying it, nor have I regretted not buying it (then again, of course I didn't play Dark Ages half as much as Base...).

Before people come out and show me games where they dominated with Rats: I know they exist, I just acknowledged every card has its place, I'm just saying that Rats is worse than almost all other cards in general.

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Okay, but you really don't get to Prince it every game. Cards being crazy good with Prince doesn't make them like, ever good in general... you could say the exact same thing about Pirate Ship and there's a pretty clear consensus on that card.

But Pirate Ship actually helps your opponents a lot of the time, while Miser clears out your own copper. Of course, Moneylender and Spice Merchant do it better, as they provide you immediate benefit, but imo Miser is clearly better than Pirate Ship. Miser is not just good with Prince, it also works nicely with Throne Room variants and strong engines in general. If nothing else, it's an acceptable pseudo-trasher, if you want to build an engine but lack actual trashing.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2015 Edition: $4 cards
« Reply #24 on: November 11, 2015, 01:49:08 pm »
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Here is some useful data compiled by a forum user (not me) on gain rates of cards based on the top 20 players on Iso (as of one snapshot). I can't recall what the time range of the games played.

For example, Rats is gained by top 20 players in 33% of games (sample size: 615 games with Rats, of which it was gained 204 times).

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