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The Dominion Cards Lists 2017 Edition
« on: December 07, 2017, 02:48:02 am »
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Five years have already passed since the first Dominion Card Lists were compiled, the skill level of all players raised and a lot of new knowledge is gained. Again a new expansion was released and also the second Edition came out, so everyone is eager to learn how the new cards rank. That means it's time for the 2017 edition of the Dominion Card Lists.

What do you have to do?
If you like to contribute, go to http://www.qvist.de/dommesh for the best cards list, http://www.qvist.de/dommesh_fav for your favourite cards and http://www.qvist.de/dommesh_art for the best card art.
This video from last year walks you basically through how the web app works or just read on:


I'm not the best web designer to make it look nice, but it works. You have 3 options to submit your list. You can 1.) compare two cards at a time or 2.) order the cards all at once in a big list or 3.) rate them with numerical values. If you do the first option, the app will tell you when you're done and no new "card duel" is available anymore. Internally option 1 and 2 is stored in one list and option 3 in a separate list. There are 2 links for exporting one list to another, so you can for example first give each card a numerical value for a rough estimate and then copy the list and fine tune it by either ordering them or do the remaining comparisms. I didn't include a registration or anything like that for this simple app. You can just login by your ShuffleIT name and any password you like. The next time you login you just have to remember the password you've set on your first login. I expect that nobody will trick me by using a user name of anyone else. If you have no ShuffleIT account, just use a user name of your choice. If you don't know an expansion very well you can choose to leave it out. But be sure that if you want to include a card of a specific expansion, you have to rank all cards of the expansion. There are no restriction with Promo cards, so if you don't know e.g. Summon very well, you can leave it out.

To clarify as there is much confusion apparently: You can vote in any of the 3 methods. Therefore a S, A, B, C, D, E, F voting works as long as you convert that to a 7 to 1 rating in the "Rate" method. Also: Don't forget to mark your lists as finished when you are.

Cards are only counted if they are kingdom cards. If you want to look up the card texts and also the last year's lists, just go to our wiki. http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com
If you submit your list, you also agree that I may give this to third party, like theory or rrenaud. If you don't agree send me a PM.

If you've submitted last year, I will not take your last submission into account.

I included extra lists for Prizes, individual Knights, Ruins, Events, Landmarks, Boons and Hexes. These are optional, you don't have to rank them if you don't want.
For Hexes, the "best" one is the one that is the most harmful.
You can also if you want rank all the kingdom cards in one big list. This is also optional as this takes a lot of time.
Dismantle is not included yet as most are unfamiliar with it.

Usual disclaimer: This list should cause discussion not hassle. Of course it's difficult to compare some of the cards because pretty much every card has some situations where it shines and situations where it doesn't. This isn't a scientific list, just a compiled list of the community's opinion of the best cards.

What else?
Submission deadline is the 31st of Dececember 11:59pm UTC.
Each card will get a percentage value based on the rank. So your best card gets 100% and your worst gets 0%. This will result in a compiled list of all of your lists.
As I don't have much time this year, results will get presented by a group of people with the upside of the results being presented in a much shorter time frame. Thanks for all the volunteers.
If you encounter some bugs, just send me a PM and I'll fix them ASAP.

Let's see how many submissions we get this time. The more we get the better the rankings will be. I can't wait to get your submissions. If you have any questions, ask them here.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2017 Edition
« Reply #1 on: December 08, 2017, 09:48:46 am »
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2017 Edition
« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2017, 12:36:16 am »
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Don't use the copy feature for now. It seems that the web hoster can't handle the load that happen when doing that.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2017 Edition
« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2017, 01:19:30 pm »
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I was doing the best art list, and I got scout vs harem.  I'm still stuck on it.  I can't decide which one looks worse. 

They both scare me. A lot.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2017 Edition
« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2017, 02:34:39 pm »
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I was doing the best art list, and I got scout vs harem.  I'm still stuck on it.  I can't decide which one looks worse. 

They both scare me. A lot.

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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2017 Edition
« Reply #5 on: December 13, 2017, 01:50:14 pm »
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I did not even bother with the art list this time around.  Takes too much time.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2017 Edition
« Reply #6 on: December 13, 2017, 01:57:37 pm »
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I was doing the best art list, and I got scout vs harem.  I'm still stuck on it.  I can't decide which one looks worse. 

They both scare me. A lot.

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What's wrong with Zombie Apprentice?
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2017 Edition
« Reply #7 on: December 13, 2017, 02:46:42 pm »
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I was doing the best art list, and I got scout vs harem.  I'm still stuck on it.  I can't decide which one looks worse. 

They both scare me. A lot.

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What's wrong with Zombie Apprentice?

There's a lot of discussion on it from the Preview thread, but I think this one sums it up really well:

I think I know what irks me with the art. Several things are really muddy, but other things look highly realistic. It appears as if the creator had just copied pictures together and painted over them, which also explains the off perspective, eg. for Celine's  Apprentice's foot and Mason's wall. It looks a lot like the images in those dreadful object searching apps.

This particular comparison was difficult for me because I dislike them both for very different reasons.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2017 Edition
« Reply #8 on: December 13, 2017, 03:32:52 pm »
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I did not even bother with the art list this time around.  Takes too much time.

Conversely, the art list is probably the only one I will be doing, due to my lack of experience.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2017 Edition
« Reply #9 on: December 13, 2017, 03:42:23 pm »
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There's a lot of discussion on it from the Preview thread, but I think this one sums it up really well:

I think I know what irks me with the art. Several things are really muddy, but other things look highly realistic. It appears as if the creator had just copied pictures together and painted over them, which also explains the off perspective, eg. for Celine's  Apprentice's foot and Mason's wall. It looks a lot like the images in those dreadful object searching apps.

This particular comparison was difficult for me because I dislike them both for very different reasons.

I think it looks pretty good.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2017 Edition
« Reply #10 on: December 14, 2017, 03:29:23 pm »
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My approach this year is to divide Dominion cards into categories (e.g. splitters, terminal draw, non-terminal draw, trashers), and then quicksort each category.  Sorting cards within each category is easier, and also the most important part to get right in the rankings.  Later I will merge the categories.  A bunch of cards are in multiple categories, which will help with merging a bit.

I'm skipping the art and fav rankings this year because I just don't have the time.
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2017 Edition
« Reply #11 on: Today at 07:48:30 am »
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Didn't we already do this? Or has 2017 just been a really fast year?
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2017 Edition
« Reply #12 on: Today at 08:49:29 am »
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Seeing all those removed cards made me feel nostalgic.  :'(
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Re: The Dominion Cards Lists 2017 Edition
« Reply #13 on: Today at 11:25:47 am »
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Didn't we already do this? Or has 2017 just been a really fast year?

For various reasons, the 2016 list reveal stretched well into 2017. Mostly the immense workload it placed on Qvist made it hard to keep releasing in a regular fashion. But it has been about an entire year since we ranked cards.
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