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The Dominion Cards 2017 Edition: Boons
« on: January 22, 2018, 08:26:41 am »
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It's the list you've all been waiting for. Boons. The thing you get when you play Fate cards, or as I like to call them, Boonies. This list wasn't too surprising, and a lot of the Boons can be moved around without too much complaint.

My current list for the Boons, in order from best to worst: Swamp, Flame, Earth, Forest, River, Mountain, Sun, Wind, Field, Sea, Sky, Moon.


The Boons

#1 Flame's Gift Weighted Average: 94.75% / Unweighted Average: 89.39% / Median: 90.91% / Standard Deviation: 17.93%

Widely considered to be the overall top Boon by the community, Flameís Gift gives a free trash upon reveal. The inconsistency and randomness of the trashing effect leads me to conclude that it is overrated, although not by much. Flameís Gift will probably retain itís status as the top Boon in the future due to the communityís love for trashing, and frankly there isnít much wrong with that.

#2 Swampís Gift Weighted Average: 83.92% / Unweighted Average: 80.68% / Median: 81.82% / Standard Deviation: 18.43%

My personal pick for best Boon, Swampís Gift gives out a Will-O-Wisp, which is a slightly worse Magpie (only because you cannot spam gain it usually). Also like Magpie, if you get a ton of them into your deck (hint: Druid) you will quickly be put into a great position to win. Wisps draw themselves, and the more you have the better. Without Druid, Wisp is more of an early game Lab which accelerates the deck and is a harmless cantrip with a scouting effect in the late game.

#3 Earthís Gift Weighted Average: 73.87% / Unweighted Average: 72.73% / Median: 81.82% / Standard Deviation: 26.11%

While this Boon only has one guaranteed good target in Blessed Village and one great enabler in Pixie, there is usually some good gaining to do in the Kingdom. At the virtual cost of $1 it is a very potent Boon. It is less consistent than Flameís Gift, so #3 is the probable perfect spot. From here on out, the Boon strength drops off considerably.

#4 Riverís Gift Weighted Average: 68.3% / Unweighted Average: 67.8% / Median: 72.73% / Standard Deviation: 15.96%

Riverís Gift is a guaranteed non-dead draw, albeit delayed until the start of the next turn. Riverís Gift is nice consistency and is virtually never bad to get. Itís not spectacular, but it gets the job done. I am happy to see it with every Boonie, a good sign.

#5 Forestís Gift Weighted Average: 62.5% / Unweighted Average: 60.98% / Median: 63.64% / Standard Deviation: 17.7%

Even with a no +buy board, it is hard to line up Forestís Gift in an engine without the astute help of many Pixies. (The moral of the story seems to be get Pixies whenever you are able, they are very good and flexible) That being said, landing this Boon at the right time just adds a nice potential advantage. Come on, itís +Buy. You fought for Ruined Markets, youíll fight for these too.

#6 Fieldís Gift Weighted Average: 57.91% / Unweighted Average: 57.58% / Median: 54.55% / Standard Deviation: 18.86%

Starting to notice a trend? Generally the further down this list, the more situational the Boon. Fieldís Gift is probably over ranked at #6. Itís only very nice with Druid and Pixie. The randomness lends itself to somewhat suck with the rest of the Boonies due to lack of control. Sometimes a Pixie can be popped for a village effect and sometimes it lets you play a second terminal, but usually it never does more than give a free +coin. Sometimes that is all you really want.

#7 Sunís Gift Weighted Average: 44.01% / Unweighted Average: 45.83% / Median: 45.45% / Standard Deviation: 20.74%

Sunís Gift is a solid Boon to get, increasing consistency with the top of the deck manipulation. I am never really sad to see it (unless it triggers a bad shuffle), but usually doesnít do a whole lot either. You probably wouldnít pop a Pixie for this without a very good reason, but otherwise itís mostly fine.

#8 Seaís Gift Weighted Average: 33.58% / Unweighted Average: 35.23% / Median: 36.36% / Standard Deviation: 22.01%

Could be ranked lower. Seaís Gift is just a second Riverís Gift with Blessed Village, a potential 2 Labs with Pixie, and meh with everything else besides Idol. Sea's Gift is not a bad Boon, but within the context of the Boonies it is really not that good at all. Seaís Gift is mostly mediocre for the same reason that Ruined Library is mediocre, only youíre usually spending your Action on a terminal Boonie instead.

#9 Windís Gift Weighted Average: 32.91% / Unweighted Average: 35.23% / Median: 36.36% / Standard Deviation: 21.53%

Could be a little higher. Ignore all the times you played a Boonie at the end of a shuffle and landed this. It can happen. Itís usually a bit awkward in the same manner that Seaís Gift is, but it also lets you see more cards so itís just better overall.

#10 Skyís Gift Weighted Average: 24.05% / Unweighted Average: 25.76% / Median: 18.18% / Standard Deviation: 19.58%

Probably the second worst Boon, and third worst isnít much better for Skyís Gift. Discarding three cards for a singular Gold is a giant ask, and the sporadic uncontrollable nature of Boons makes it even harder to land at the right time. And the reward is.. a Gold. At least Mountainís Gift just outright gives you a Silver. Skyís Gift is usually and rightly ignored.

#11 Mountainís Gift Weighted Average: 12.81% / Unweighted Average: 12.5% / Median: 9.09% / Standard Deviation: 12.81%

Probably the most criminal under ranking on this list, Mountainís Gift is actually one of the better Boons in the game (I have it at #6). I will fight you on this. Silver hate has gotten out of control. New rule: Buying Silver is bad, but getting free ones is usually fine. It generally gets worse the later the game goes on, but arenít all of the Boons situational? And early game extra economy for free? Yes please. Stop with the Silver hate. Silver isnít Curse+. Mountainís Gift is not the second worst Boon, and I expect itís position to rise in the coming year.

(pssst, popping a Pixie on Mountain's Gift is actually really good, give it a try)

#12 Moonís Gift Weighted Average: 16.29% / Unweighted Average: 12.06% / Median: 9.09% / Standard Deviation: 23.17%

While there is a nice combo with Moonís Gift and Blessed Village, otherwise you are usually sad to reveal this Boon. Remember how inconsequential Harbinger is the majority of the time it is played? Donít expect anything better from Moonís Gift. Dream about all of the times youíll top deck a Goons in a thick deck, Boons just donít work like that with their sporadic nature.
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Re: The Dominion Cards 2017 Edition: Boons
« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2018, 09:22:37 am »
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I'd swap sun and wind, but the rest seems reasonable. Maybe swap swamp and earth too. And the treasure gainers are almost certainly better than sea.
I don't think I've managed to have a consequential Moon yet. Maybe if it gave the full Scavenger experience it would have been useful more often.
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Re: The Dominion Cards 2017 Edition: Boons
« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2018, 09:43:47 am »
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I don't get why River's Gift is above Sun's Gift here. Sun's Gift at the end of the turn is basically duration draw when it discards green cards, and it can discard Coppers too. Sun's Gift does a much better job at preventing dud turns than River's Gift. River's gift is only going to be better when your next hand was already pretty perfect or if you got it at the start of your turn when your top of deck had no junk. That or you spam River's Gift with King's Court on Druid. You're more likely to lose a game due to a dud turn than not having your perfect hand be more perfect.

Edit: Well, River's Gift also has the edge when your next hand is all cantrips or something, to be fair.
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Re: The Dominion Cards 2017 Edition: Boons
« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2018, 09:57:25 am »
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Treasure gainers are a little low, but that was always going to happen.

An early Sky's Gift, or a Sky's Gift in a money game is incredible. It's also a really nice thing to do with a Druid to add some payload to an engine. It's also nice with Sacred Grove because your opponent is probably not going to discard 3 cards. You're too harsh in the write up.

It might be worth mentioning in the write up that the +$1 Boons are great with Sacred Grove?

I'd give Field the edge over Forest because it's so much better with Druid.

I think it's pretty hard to actually rank the Boons though, because they vary depending on which card is giving you the Boon. 

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Re: The Dominion Cards 2017 Edition: Boons
« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2018, 10:11:44 am »
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I don't get why River's Gift is above Sun's Gift here. Sun's Gift at the end of the turn is basically duration draw when it discards green cards, and it can discard Coppers too. Sun's Gift does a much better job at preventing dud turns than River's Gift. River's gift is only going to be better when your next hand was already pretty perfect or if you got it at the start of your turn when your top of deck had no junk. That or you spam River's Gift with King's Court on Druid. You're more likely to lose a game due to a dud turn than not having your perfect hand be more perfect.

Edit: Well, River's Gift also has the edge when your next hand is all cantrips or something, to be fair.

River Gift is much much better when you are drawing your deck, which is big.
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Re: The Dominion Cards 2017 Edition: Boons
« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2018, 10:30:04 am »
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I don't get why River's Gift is above Sun's Gift here. Sun's Gift at the end of the turn is basically duration draw when it discards green cards, and it can discard Coppers too. Sun's Gift does a much better job at preventing dud turns than River's Gift. River's gift is only going to be better when your next hand was already pretty perfect or if you got it at the start of your turn when your top of deck had no junk. That or you spam River's Gift with King's Court on Druid. You're more likely to lose a game due to a dud turn than not having your perfect hand be more perfect.

Edit: Well, River's Gift also has the edge when your next hand is all cantrips or something, to be fair.

River Gift is much much better when you are drawing your deck, which is big.

This is true, but Sun's Gift is a lot more relevant when you get it before you actually get to the point where you're drawing your deck, possibly speeding you up by a turn with its combined cycling and ability to help reach higher price points more easily. Bard, Tracker, Blessed Village, and Idol are all often seen in the early game where you still have a sizeable deck. Maybe Pixie is an exception where you don't want to trash it for Sun's Gift. Sun's Gift can also make up for the lack of draw compared to River's Gift later in the turn if received when you're trying to kick off, say after playing a Village.

Weighing the Boons solely in the context of massive engines seems like it doesn't give a complete picture of what these Boons are truly capable of.
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Re: The Dominion Cards 2017 Edition: Boons
« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2018, 10:50:59 am »
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The writeup for Swamp's gift talks about how Will-o-wisp is great if you get a bunch of them. That will never happen if you get them via Boons. Thus, for me Earth's gift should be second place.

I'd also rank Wind's Gift lower due to its massive suckiness when you've drawn your deck.
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Re: The Dominion Cards 2017 Edition: Boons
« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2018, 10:52:29 am »
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The writeup for Swamp's gift talks about how Will-o-wisp is great if you get a bunch of them. That will never happen if you get them via Boons.

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Re: The Dominion Cards 2017 Edition: Boons
« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2018, 11:44:13 am »
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Sun's Gift and Wind's Gift are not useless in deck-drawing engines.  You can play Bard/etc. midturn to increase the chance of your deck kicking off.  Of course if your deck is already really reliable, they don't help much.

I ranked Flame's Gift a lot lower.  Trashing is great but the reason we think that is because we deliberately get it early on.  That's not possible with Flame's Gift, outside of Druid.  After a few shuffles, Flame's Gift whiffs a lot and just isn't worth that much.  I put Swamp's Gift lower too for the same reason.
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Re: The Dominion Cards 2017 Edition: Boons
« Reply #9 on: January 22, 2018, 01:02:35 pm »
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Why is Mountain's Gift not #12 even though it has the lowest rated weighted average?
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Re: The Dominion Cards 2017 Edition: Boons
« Reply #10 on: January 22, 2018, 01:05:22 pm »
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I'd put the Forestís Gift and Fieldís Gift slightly higher, perhaps #2 and #3 respectively. +buy is the rarest of +vanilla effects, so Fieldís Gift is most often the only source of the + of the vanilla-effect Boons, and this even more important if you're the only player to get access to it (similar reason why Ruined Market is the best Ruins). And the +action is nice when the Boons are terminal, allowing the only way to play multiple terminals. And the +action seems to make Druid really good.

I'd put Sunís Gift and Wind's Gift lower - they've seemed to more often than not cause an unwanted shuffle.
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Re: The Dominion Cards 2017 Edition: Boons
« Reply #11 on: January 22, 2018, 01:09:41 pm »
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I'd put the Forestís Gift and Fieldís Gift slightly higher, perhaps #2 and #3 respectively. +buy is the rarest of +vanilla effects, so Fieldís Gift is most often the only source of the + of the vanilla-effect Boons, and this even more important if you're the only player to get access to it (similar reason why Ruined Market is the best Ruins). And the +action is nice when the Boons are terminal, allowing the only way to play multiple terminals. And the +action seems to make Druid really good.
+buy once every 12 plays of a card is pretty bad.
Which is why getting it is good
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Re: The Dominion Cards 2017 Edition: Boons
« Reply #12 on: January 22, 2018, 01:37:43 pm »
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I'd put the Forestís Gift and Fieldís Gift slightly higher, perhaps #2 and #3 respectively. +buy is the rarest of +vanilla effects, so Fieldís Gift is most often the only source of the + of the vanilla-effect Boons, and this even more important if you're the only player to get access to it (similar reason why Ruined Market is the best Ruins). And the +action is nice when the Boons are terminal, allowing the only way to play multiple terminals. And the +action seems to make Druid really good.
+buy once every 12 plays of a card is pretty bad.
Which is why getting it is good
1 extra buy on 1 or two turns is not a very big difference maker. It is also true that +buy isnt a very big deal early which is where things have a bigger out come of the game.
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« Reply #13 on: January 22, 2018, 02:10:34 pm »
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Why is Mountain's Gift not #12 even though it has the lowest rated average?

Seems as though Seprix accidentally sorted by unweighted average, as the rest of the list would be unaffected by this mistake.
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« Reply #14 on: January 23, 2018, 05:34:26 am »
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I don't get why River's Gift is above Sun's Gift here. Sun's Gift at the end of the turn is basically duration draw when it discards green cards, and it can discard Coppers too. Sun's Gift does a much better job at preventing dud turns than River's Gift. River's gift is only going to be better when your next hand was already pretty perfect or if you got it at the start of your turn when your top of deck had no junk. That or you spam River's Gift with King's Court on Druid. You're more likely to lose a game due to a dud turn than not having your perfect hand be more perfect.

Edit: Well, River's Gift also has the edge when your next hand is all cantrips or something, to be fair.

River Gift is much much better when you are drawing your deck, which is big.

This is true, but Sun's Gift is a lot more relevant when you get it before you actually get to the point where you're drawing your deck, possibly speeding you up by a turn with its combined cycling and ability to help reach higher price points more easily. Bard, Tracker, Blessed Village, and Idol are all often seen in the early game where you still have a sizeable deck. Maybe Pixie is an exception where you don't want to trash it for Sun's Gift. Sun's Gift can also make up for the lack of draw compared to River's Gift later in the turn if received when you're trying to kick off, say after playing a Village.

Weighing the Boons solely in the context of massive engines seems like it doesn't give a complete picture of what these Boons are truly capable of.

See it this way: the ceiling for Sun is higher (discarding 4 bad cards, or doing some turn-saving reordering), but it's much less reliable. River helps you every single time, no matter what deck you're building (edge cases: very small deck, minion).
Most Boons are situational, but River is a sure thing.
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Re: The Dominion Cards 2017 Edition: Boons
« Reply #15 on: January 23, 2018, 08:09:52 am »
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I don't get why River's Gift is above Sun's Gift here. Sun's Gift at the end of the turn is basically duration draw when it discards green cards, and it can discard Coppers too. Sun's Gift does a much better job at preventing dud turns than River's Gift. River's gift is only going to be better when your next hand was already pretty perfect or if you got it at the start of your turn when your top of deck had no junk. That or you spam River's Gift with King's Court on Druid. You're more likely to lose a game due to a dud turn than not having your perfect hand be more perfect.

Edit: Well, River's Gift also has the edge when your next hand is all cantrips or something, to be fair.

River Gift is much much better when you are drawing your deck, which is big.

This is true, but Sun's Gift is a lot more relevant when you get it before you actually get to the point where you're drawing your deck, possibly speeding you up by a turn with its combined cycling and ability to help reach higher price points more easily. Bard, Tracker, Blessed Village, and Idol are all often seen in the early game where you still have a sizeable deck. Maybe Pixie is an exception where you don't want to trash it for Sun's Gift. Sun's Gift can also make up for the lack of draw compared to River's Gift later in the turn if received when you're trying to kick off, say after playing a Village.

Weighing the Boons solely in the context of massive engines seems like it doesn't give a complete picture of what these Boons are truly capable of.

See it this way: the ceiling for Sun is higher (discarding 4 bad cards, or doing some turn-saving reordering), but it's much less reliable. River helps you every single time, no matter what deck you're building (edge cases: very small deck, minion).
Most Boons are situational, but River is a sure thing.

I get this perspective, but I'm imagining Druid and can't help but think I am way more likely to use Druid for Sun's Gift and River's Gift in most situations, though neither would be the main reason to get Druid.
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« Reply #16 on: January 23, 2018, 08:34:32 am »
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I agree, but druid is an exception, because it's both predictable and it lets you choose boon. In all other cases the boons are random, and often come up at awkward times. In that setting River is more often better, I think.
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« Reply #17 on: January 23, 2018, 02:25:19 pm »
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Boons are very hard to rank, because their strength varies greatly depending on what is their source. Like the only two fate cards that would have a similar looking Boons rank are Bard and Tracker, for all the other ones the list would be greatly different one from the other.

So I kind of feel like there might have been wildly different ratings criteria from different voters. I, for example, tried to use Bard and Tracker as my guides when evaluating, but now I think that doing some sort of mental average between the lists to be a more reasonable approach. 


Hexes are less problematic, because, I feel that considering them as attacks is somewhat of a natural approach (which means, that for example, I don't think the militia hex should get a worse position because it will almost always miss if you get it from Cursed Village).
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« Reply #18 on: January 23, 2018, 05:02:35 pm »
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Boons are very hard to rank, because their strength varies greatly depending on what is their source. Like the only two fate cards that would have a similar looking Boons rank are Bard and Tracker, for all the other ones the list would be greatly different one from the other.

So I kind of feel like there might have been wildly different ratings criteria from different voters. I, for example, tried to use Bard and Tracker as my guides when evaluating, but now I think that doing some sort of mental average between the lists to be a more reasonable approach. 

This is true, in the end I decided to go the other way and ranked them more in line with Druid and to a lesser extent Pixie. I think that makes more sense because for the other Fates cards you're kind of just evaluating the average strength of the Boons rather than the strength of individual Boons like you do when deciding whether to buy a Druid or cash in a Pixie. I took the other cards into account more just for tiebreaker purposes.
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« Reply #19 on: January 24, 2018, 05:01:47 pm »
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Maybe we could get these 2017 Boons results added to the wiki page for "List of Cards by Qvist Rankings"?
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« Reply #20 on: January 24, 2018, 06:15:05 pm »
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« Reply #21 on: January 26, 2018, 09:56:53 pm »
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I have added the 2017 Boons results to the Wiki site for List of Cards by Qvist Rankings.
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« Reply #22 on: January 27, 2018, 05:13:32 am »
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Sky's Gift I would've ranked higher.  3 cards for a Gold seems pretty average.
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« Reply #23 on: January 27, 2018, 07:59:59 am »
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The Flameís Gift is totally overrated. You often draw that Boon mid-game where trashing is not as important as in the opening. Sometimes trashing may be even bad. Trashing Copper, for example, means also -$1, which can be crucial later, if you want to hit $6 or $8.

Trade Route, Forager and Moneylender are usually the superior cheap Copper trashers in comparsion with Bard, Druid and Tracker.
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« Reply #24 on: January 27, 2018, 08:45:06 am »
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The Flameís Gift is totally overrated. You often draw that Boon mid-game where trashing is not as important as in the opening. Sometimes trashing may be even bad. Trashing Copper, for example, means also -$1, which can be crucial later, if you want to hit $6 or $8.

Trade Route, Forager and Moneylender are usually the superior cheap Copper trashers in comparsion with Bard, Druid and Tracker.

Druid and Tracker don't really thin your deck in the long run because the cycle of 12 Boons includes the forced Silver gain from Mountain's Gift (that doesn't even get drawn by Will o' Wisp normally).
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