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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M61: It's a Beautiful World (Day 1)

« on: May 11, 2015, 12:07:33 pm »

Yeah. It just seems weird, because the goal is to lynch scum. His power really only helps us if we are mistaken (which granted, does happen a fair amount). But is it something we want to bet on? Like:
"Oh yeah, we're probably wrong and are lynching town, so let Pit hammer so it doesn't hurt as much" I don't really like the way that sounds. And then if we do lynch scum and he hammers, what then? Has he given us any specifics as to what will happen in each scenario?

Well, normally hitting scum early or not hitting scum early makes a huge difference and it's somewhat random because we don't have a lot of information before the first scum flip. Pit's ability just makes it less swingy, since it benefits whichever faction who happened to get worse "luck" with an early lynch.

Yeah. But without details, we have no idea of knowing what "consolation" each side would get.

Also, I'm not convinced things being less swingy is a good thing either. Lynching town D1 is par for the course and doesn't really hurt us that much--I don't think we need a consolation for that. Lynching scum D1 puts us in a strong position and is very good--having that mitigated in some way sucks.

It's too late now but look at it this way:
You said "lynching town D1 is par" -> if i would've hammered our situation would be better than par
                                               -> if i would've hammered scum it would still be better than par
I don't want to say anything more about my PR before i get to hammer someone.
I can't really say anything about the lynch since everything is pretty obvious after knowing the flip, but there is another possible (i don't think it's likely, but worth mentioning) cause of e's death:
Faust / IG got a vig shot / secondary NK from the supports.
IG can you tell us what your PR does? Scum already knows you have some kind of power anyway, which is normally the reason not to tell anyone about your powers...

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M61: It's a Beautiful World (Day 2)

« on: May 11, 2015, 01:05:28 am »

Sorry for not posting so long. I had some stupid rl trouble, but everything is back to normal now. I'll read everything that happened the last couple of days and post my thoughts when i get back home (~ 9h).

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM 24 - Dominion: Adventures Mafia (Day 2)

« on: May 04, 2015, 05:04:51 am »

<enjoys his steak and lobster in the meantime>

So... now that I've had my meal, I'll confess I only claimed mafia for the food. I'm really town.

Vote: Library
We can still NoLynch later, there is no reason to keep a claimed scum player alive.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M61: It's a Beautiful World (Day 1)

« on: May 03, 2015, 10:12:09 am »

Also, why are we jumping on EFHW for "third faction" stuff and not getting on Joseph for the exact same thing?

I assume silverspawn deliberately omitted the third faction (assuming it exists)  from pit's PM , since adding it would give away it's a 3-faction game.

What's wrong with this? There was no public knowledge that a third faction definitely exists, and silverspawn might not have wanted people to realise it was a 3-faction game.

2.7's point, which is valid, is that you made the same assumption as EFHW: that a third faction could exist.

It can't, based not only on the setup post, but because of how the mod specifically worded the town wincon. 

I don't know how yours is worded, but mine says that all chaos-aligned players have to be eliminated, which doesn't say anything about the existence of a third party...

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM 24 - Dominion: Adventures Mafia (Day 2)

« on: May 01, 2015, 05:23:00 pm »

Does Pit want to claim?

I think i have to claim at this point: I'm a VT, but i got Swamp Hag.

If you don't believe me, you can still lynch me tomorrow, without losing much (slightly less information for the lynch today compared to the one that would happen tomorrow + me possibly being a scum PR with a night activated power), while gaining the no-kill / hated for scum.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M61: It's a Beautiful World (Day 1)

« on: May 01, 2015, 05:05:09 pm »

I think i won't be able to write anything in the next ~16 hours, since my laptop is running low on battery and i forgot my charger at home -.-

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M61: It's a Beautiful World (Day 1)

« on: May 01, 2015, 05:02:24 pm »

Seriously? The amount of stupidity going on right now is frustrating. faust is not town. faust cannot be trusted. If you want to use faust's own logic--just looking at roles that require/have some sort of support mechanic, I claimed to have a role that used the support mechanic second--which makes me more likely town.

I'm going to vote: pit actually.
His explanation for why he thinks I'm scum is just awful 
It's rarely a black and white "everything is made up" "nothing is made up" situation. faust is more likely mixing truth with lies--I don't think anyone is positing he invented his entire role with the 7 requirements--that would be like crazy. Pit has worked very hard to frame the situation so that either faust or myself gets lynched. I actually believe faust's claim for the most part--and stand by my earlier statements that I think Chrysalis hasn't claimed yet.

Ok, i can see that I've looked at things from a wrong perspective ("faust vs. Ichi" while not thinking about all the other possible situations). But there is also something I strongly disagree with:
" I claimed to have a role that used the support mechanic second--which makes me more likely town."
I think both town and scum are likely to claim after seeing fausts claim, since it makes their claim look natural and trustworthy. The part where i'm sceptical is that i can't really see a strong reason for town not to claim in the first place.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M61: It's a Beautiful World (Day 1)

« on: May 01, 2015, 03:29:39 pm »

EVIL POSSESSED TEXT

I still like a Pit lynch.

Could you explain why?

Mainly because I don't have information on you, but I have information on Faust that he provided and was very specific about.

What kind of information do you want? What exactly my PR does when it activates?
I don't really want to tell everyone, but if it's necessary i could at least tell you what happens if i hammer scum.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M61: It's a Beautiful World (Day 1)

« on: May 01, 2015, 03:27:43 pm »

so apparently Princess Luna was the antagonist of the premiere episode of MLP:FIM, but became good again, and she becomes a joint-ruler with her sister. I love learning about MLP:FIM.

If anyone wants to know more:
Luna (princess of night / moon) went evil because she envied her sister celestia (princess of day / sun) because everyone seemed to like days and just wasted the nights sleeping -> She tried to make nights last forever -> Celestia sent her to the moon for 1000 years -> Episode 1 is set on the day when the 1000 years end and luna is extremely mad about being banished for such a long time -> she realizes that what she did 1k years ago was wrong -> she becomes good again and has some short appearances in later episodes

(this is what i remember from the show, if anything is wrong / missing please correct me)

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M61: It's a Beautiful World (Day 1)

« on: May 01, 2015, 03:05:46 pm »

EVIL POSSESSED TEXT

I still like a Pit lynch.

Could you explain why?

Has anyone considered that Chrysalis is an NPC either?

I don't have that much mafia experience, how does an NPC work in games like this?

What's the name of Pit? It's That Crisco Cretin isn't it?

I have no idea what this means... If you're asking for my flavor name: I'm Luna


I think IG is much more likely to be scum here than faust. Faust is someone who could come up with crazy plans, but i can't imagine that he made all that stuff up.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M61: It's a Beautiful World (Day 1)

« on: May 01, 2015, 04:54:39 am »

Faust claims he wins after meeting 4 objectives out of 7, and one of those 7 is surviving.

I think knowing the objectives would be helpful.  Like, if there are 4 pro-town objectives, we can just meet them right away and lynch him.  He gets his win and town is better off.

That's if he's telling the truth.  And if he's telling the truth, he should have no problem with that plan.

Okay, here's the objectives:

1) Survive the game.
2) Get 8 players to support me.
3) Survive a day without a single vote (sadly, this is no longer possible today :/ I guess I should have full-claimed right away).
4) Survive the game longer than a certain town PR. This is of course an anti-town objective. I have the name of a town PR in the game, and I must oulive them. The bonus is I can confirm that PR is in the game should it come to claiming.
5) At the start of each day, I may choose a player. If that player gets lynched, I reach this objective. Not sure if I should divulge my choice today, might influence votes in a bad way.
6) Hammer a Chaos-aligned player.
7) This is a bit odd. I chose two players. If exactly one of them is Chaos-aligned, I win win Chaos. Otherwise, I win with Harmony.

So realistically, 2 can be achieved today, 3 can be achieved tomorrow. 5 I can do if I'm good. 6 sadly gets in the way of pit's power. 4 just might happen.

I'm okay with you lynching me once I've reached 3 conditions. Then it's basically 50/50 whether or not condition 7 will be fulfilled, and I guess I can still achieve 5 if I'm dead.

If i get to hammer today, you can have all the remaining hammers (unless there are even more PRs who need to hammer someone).

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M61: It's a Beautiful World (Day 1)

« on: May 01, 2015, 02:35:23 am »

I must have missed that part of the flavor. I'll read it when I get home.  It's an interesting mechanic for sure though with deciding who to support since scum might get buffed too.

I don't know how useful whatever power I'll get is though, but I think a strict "support no one"  policy kind of sucks. it makes things kind of boring too.  Maybe it was accounted for in the setup as well. what if there's a scum PR that is buffed/activated when no one gets supported?

That's an interesting thougt... It would make sense considering the flavor...
Can you explain how your PR works? How many supports do you need to get your power? Are there multiple stages of your power depending on how many supports you get?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M61: It's a Beautiful World (Day 1)

« on: April 30, 2015, 06:26:18 pm »

If faust is actually a third party nothing happens when i hammer him (but i won't be able to use my PR a second time). So i don't want to hammer faust (voting him is no problem), since the chance that he is town is pretty much 0 and there is nothing to be gained for me.

Just in case people don't see it since it's at the bottom of the last page(for me at least) . I misread my PM somehow and got the wrong word for how I get powered up. I only realized just now because my support count is 0 in my personal qt. It's actually support for me as well.

This seems pretty weird, but not really like a scummy thing... I still think it's almost certain that whoever is Chrysalis has a power that works like IG's and faust's claimed powers and i'd rather have no PRs than scum + town PRs (trying to get "support" like that seems more risky for scum than for town, so the possible scum powers are propably stronger)

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M61: It's a Beautiful World (Day 1)

« on: April 30, 2015, 05:43:17 pm »

i won't hammer someone who wouldn't be hammered otherwise.

Shouldn't you hammer someone at L-1 when you think they're scum and they've had the chance to claim, even if you're the only one willing to hammer them?

What i meant was that i won't hammer someone, who wouldn't be hammered if i woudn't have my PR.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: RMM 24 - Dominion: Adventures Mafia (Day 2)

« on: April 30, 2015, 05:40:37 pm »

Completely forgot about this game, sorry. I agree with faust, a single lynch actualy seems better than the double lynch.

I mean swamp hag is okay and all, but you'll never figure out who is hated at 4:3

Why not? Even if it takes 24h per player, that's still enough time. + We can surely find a time where 4 (or more) of us have 15 minutes time to coordinate 7 votes each...

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M61: It's a Beautiful World (Day 1)

« on: April 30, 2015, 05:30:53 pm »

Ok, if there is just missing information in my PM, that could mean that "no false information" and fausts claim are true...
In that case I really want to hammer faust just to see what happens...

It would be easier to just ask silver what happens when you hammer a non-Harmony and non-Chaos-aligned player.

I'm guessing nothing. Assuming pit is town, the role is probably something like "A good thing happens if you hammer scum, A bad thing happens if you hammer town", and nothing if you hammer neither. And obviously reverse the good bad if pit is scum.

That's actually wrong. Something bad happens if i hammer scum (considering that it means that i hammered scum it's still good for us) and something good happens if i hammer town (that's why i wanted to hammer on day1 -> day1 has the highest chance to hit town with the hammer, but i'm no longer sure about that)

So your power is actually negative-utility for town, though only slightly.

It's more like the team of the hammered gets a consolation, since i won't hammer someone who wouldn't be hammered otherwise.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M61: It's a Beautiful World (Day 1)

« on: April 30, 2015, 05:27:18 pm »

Can't get to my pc for at least ~5 more hours but this i realized something extremely important:
The Day1 Start text says Chrysalis is in the game.
Chrysalis is the antagonist of the season 2 finale and feeds on the love of others to gain power. -> If Ichi is Chrysalis and we enourage him we're doomed.

He says he's Rarity.  Does that make sense encouragement-wise?

I can't remember an episode that would make Rarity someone who needs encouragement more than other ponies, (It'd be nice if someone could confirm / deny this, since i'm not 100% sure), but could imagine silver being influenced by fanfictions etc.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M61: It's a Beautiful World (Day 1)

« on: April 30, 2015, 05:20:24 pm »

Ok, if there is just missing information in my PM, that could mean that "no false information" and fausts claim are true...
In that case I really want to hammer faust just to see what happens...

It would be easier to just ask silver what happens when you hammer a non-Harmony and non-Chaos-aligned player.

I'm guessing nothing. Assuming pit is town, the role is probably something like "A good thing happens if you hammer scum, A bad thing happens if you hammer town", and nothing if you hammer neither. And obviously reverse the good bad if pit is scum.

That's actually wrong. Something bad happens if i hammer scum (considering that it means that i hammered scum it's still good for us) and something good happens if i hammer town (that's why i wanted to hammer on day1 -> day1 has the highest chance to hit town with the hammer, but i'm no longer sure about that)

Ok, if there is just missing information in my PM, that could mean that "no false information" and fausts claim are true...
In that case I really want to hammer faust just to see what happens...

It would be easier to just ask silver what happens when you hammer a non-Harmony and non-Chaos-aligned player.

I asked him in my QT, i'll let you know if he answers.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M61: It's a Beautiful World (Day 1)

« on: April 30, 2015, 12:51:11 pm »

Ok, if there is just missing information in my PM, that could mean that "no false information" and fausts claim are true...
In that case I really want to hammer faust just to see what happens...

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M61: It's a Beautiful World (Day 1)

« on: April 30, 2015, 12:17:38 pm »

Another important thing:
My PR doesn't make sense if there is a third party besides Harmony and Chaos -> faust being a third party doesn't make sense.

Huh, can you expand? I mean, it's not like I can win on my own. Whatever happens, this game will still end with either Harmony or Chaos winning (or everyone dies, I guess). Does that migitate your confusion?

I think pit is town here.

Nope. My PR has different effects depending on whether i hammer harmony or chaos and the exact wording (can't quote because rules...) implies that there is no other option.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M61: It's a Beautiful World (Day 1)

« on: April 30, 2015, 10:54:46 am »

Another important thing:
My PR doesn't make sense if there is a third party besides Harmony and Chaos -> faust being a third party doesn't make sense.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M61: It's a Beautiful World (Day 1)

« on: April 30, 2015, 10:45:24 am »

Can't get to my pc for at least ~5 more hours but this i realized something extremely important:
The Day1 Start text says Chrysalis is in the game.
Chrysalis is the antagonist of the season 2 finale and feeds on the love of others to gain power. -> If Ichi is Chrysalis and we enourage him we're doomed.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M61: It's a Beautiful World (Day 1)

« on: April 30, 2015, 04:24:32 am »

And I guess there's some PR involved. I mean, you might have this target on your back now.

It doesn't matter if i'm killed at night. The benefit of me hammering is worth it.
Because ash wants it: Vote: ashersky

I'll write some thoughts about faust and IG's claims later, since i'm on my phome right now.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M61: It's a Beautiful World (Day 1)

« on: April 29, 2015, 09:13:01 am »

I won't vote anyone on day1, unless they're at L-1. I need to be the one hammering today.

How far are you willing to go to ensure you're the one hammering today? i.e. if, say, ADK gets to L-1 now, would you hammer him if you had the chance, just to make sure you won't miss?

No, i won't hammer unless either someone else says that he intends to hammer or when i agree that the person at L-1 is a good lynch.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M61: It's a Beautiful World (Day 1)

« on: April 29, 2015, 08:50:36 am »

So I'm a bit confused, should I jump on the wagon or vote for who I think is actually an enemy person?

The latter sounds good.

I won't vote anyone on day1, unless they're at L-1. I need to be the one hammering today.