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[Joseph2302]

Tequila.

AMA

Really.  I'm jamming to tunes, drinking lots,  coz.

You realise this isn't a drunk mafia game?

[Ichimaru Gin]

Ok. The mod wouldn't answer my question, but I should have an updated support count soon, so I can see if e's double support counts. I'm inclined to think it will, but want to make sure.

[Ichimaru Gin]

Ok. e's support does count. I only need 2 more supports in order to get my power.

[EFHW]

/confused - what don't I get about wincons?  Is SK considered an alignment where Survivor is not?  Can't say I realized that.  Proof again that I shouldn't post after midnight. 

I think you are clever faust, but the flavor explicitly says that Discord is a psychotic killer.  That doesn't describe survivor to me.

[EFHW]

vote: Joseph.  faust is aggrieved, ashersky likes to "catch" people, but Joseph just hopped on, no comments, just a vote.

[Joseph2302]

vote: Joseph.  faust is aggrieved, ashersky likes to "catch" people, but Joseph just hopped on, no comments, just a vote.

I agreed with what faust said.

[A Drowned Kernel]

To be fair, I'm town and didn't remember that the PM used that language until I went back and read it.

[2.71828.....]

I am not a fan of the case against EFHW.  I completely agree with what ADK said

[2.71828.....]

Also, why are we jumping on EFHW for "third faction" stuff and not getting on Joseph for the exact same thing?

I assume silverspawn deliberately omitted the third faction (assuming it exists)  from pit's PM , since adding it would give away it's a 3-faction game.

[Awaclus]

To be fair, I'm town and didn't remember that the PM used that language until I went back and read it.

Same here. I think this means that ashersky has to be town, though.

[Joseph2302]

Also, why are we jumping on EFHW for "third faction" stuff and not getting on Joseph for the exact same thing?

I assume silverspawn deliberately omitted the third faction (assuming it exists)  from pit's PM , since adding it would give away it's a 3-faction game.

What's wrong with this? There was no public knowledge that a third faction definitely exists, and silverspawn might not have wanted people to realise it was a 3-faction game.

[faust]

Ok. e's support does count. I only need 2 more supports in order to get my power.

I would like to announce that I don't get any support counts in my QT. Make of that what you will.

[ashersky]

Also, why are we jumping on EFHW for "third faction" stuff and not getting on Joseph for the exact same thing?

I assume silverspawn deliberately omitted the third faction (assuming it exists)  from pit's PM , since adding it would give away it's a 3-faction game.

What's wrong with this? There was no public knowledge that a third faction definitely exists, and silverspawn might not have wanted people to realise it was a 3-faction game.

2.7's point, which is valid, is that you made the same assumption as EFHW: that a third faction could exist.

It can't, based not only on the setup post, but because of how the mod specifically worded the town wincon. 

I think that EFHW chose to vote you after coming under this pressure ties you to her a bit more, too.  Definitely a possible partner.

[Joseph2302]

Also, why are we jumping on EFHW for "third faction" stuff and not getting on Joseph for the exact same thing?

I assume silverspawn deliberately omitted the third faction (assuming it exists)  from pit's PM , since adding it would give away it's a 3-faction game.

What's wrong with this? There was no public knowledge that a third faction definitely exists, and silverspawn might not have wanted people to realise it was a 3-faction game.

2.7's point, which is valid, is that you made the same assumption as EFHW: that a third faction could exist.

It can't, based not only on the setup post, but because of how the mod specifically worded the town wincon. 

I think that EFHW chose to vote you after coming under this pressure ties you to her a bit more, too.  Definitely a possible partner.

Fair enough, so there definitely isn't a third faction? I was confused by that.

[xxpittip]

Also, why are we jumping on EFHW for "third faction" stuff and not getting on Joseph for the exact same thing?

I assume silverspawn deliberately omitted the third faction (assuming it exists)  from pit's PM , since adding it would give away it's a 3-faction game.

What's wrong with this? There was no public knowledge that a third faction definitely exists, and silverspawn might not have wanted people to realise it was a 3-faction game.

2.7's point, which is valid, is that you made the same assumption as EFHW: that a third faction could exist.

It can't, based not only on the setup post, but because of how the mod specifically worded the town wincon. 

I don't know how yours is worded, but mine says that all chaos-aligned players have to be eliminated, which doesn't say anything about the existence of a third party...

[Joseph2302]

Also, why are we jumping on EFHW for "third faction" stuff and not getting on Joseph for the exact same thing?

I assume silverspawn deliberately omitted the third faction (assuming it exists)  from pit's PM , since adding it would give away it's a 3-faction game.

What's wrong with this? There was no public knowledge that a third faction definitely exists, and silverspawn might not have wanted people to realise it was a 3-faction game.

2.7's point, which is valid, is that you made the same assumption as EFHW: that a third faction could exist.

It can't, based not only on the setup post, but because of how the mod specifically worded the town wincon. 

I don't know how yours is worded, but mine says that all chaos-aligned players have to be eliminated, which doesn't say anything about the existence of a third party...

Mine does too. I only assumed third faction because other people claimed to be part of a third faction.

[Ghacob]

Also, why are we jumping on EFHW for "third faction" stuff and not getting on Joseph for the exact same thing?

I assume silverspawn deliberately omitted the third faction (assuming it exists)  from pit's PM , since adding it would give away it's a 3-faction game.

What's wrong with this? There was no public knowledge that a third faction definitely exists, and silverspawn might not have wanted people to realise it was a 3-faction game.

2.7's point, which is valid, is that you made the same assumption as EFHW: that a third faction could exist.

It can't, based not only on the setup post, but because of how the mod specifically worded the town wincon. 

I don't know how yours is worded, but mine says that all chaos-aligned players have to be eliminated, which doesn't say anything about the existence of a third party...

Mine does too. I only assumed third faction because other people claimed to be part of a third faction.

Mine does too.

What's the deal, ashersky?

[A Drowned Kernel]

If there was a possibility of a third party that won one on its own, i.e. Serial Killer, then town's win condition would be something like "you win when all threats to town have been eliminated" or something. faust appears to have a "third party" role that wins with either town or scum, i.e. survivor (and he's already pigeonholed into winning with one or the other, he just doesn't know which one yet).

[EFHW]

I don't think I paid much attention to the wincon part.  I guess ash is saying that it would have said "all threats" instead of "chaos aligned"?  This wincon could mean that town wins even if an sk is still alive, but that would be unusual.   Has silver modded before?

What is the scum wincon when there is an sk?  Control town? So could they win without killing the sk?

[EFHW]

I see adk has anticipated some of my questions!

[Awaclus]

Has silver modded before?

Yeah, he modded the Blarnia Mafia.

[A Drowned Kernel]

What is the scum wincon when there is an sk?  Control town? So could they win without killing the sk?

Usually "have a majority or nothing can prevent that", so if scum outnumbers all living townies+the SK, they win.

[EFHW]

“When I say win the game, that means destroy your opponents. It is time you make these little hooves of yours dirty. Think about it... it's them or you... and your friends.”

I didn't read a ton of the narrative leading up to this, but "its them or you and your friends" is totally different than "its me and my friends or you and your friends"

what I am saying: survivor totally fits with the flavor name.

So Discord gets his psychotic killer kicks by making us kill each other.  I can buy that.

[EFHW]

People who volunteered having a town PM, in order: ashersky, ADK, Awaclus, pit, Joseph. Ghacob.  e implied it  after ADK's post, but without stating it outright, by agreeing with ADK.  I don't know if this will be helpful scum-hunting-wise, but it's another lens to use on the situation.  I think at least one scum would be tempted to post as though they had a town PM.  But now that I count them, it's more than half of town.  I guess not so helpful.

Also, Support: IG.  I am leaning town on him.

IG - did you request support counts, or did you get them without asking?

[Ichimaru Gin]

I got the first one without asking and was told I could request additional counts at any time.