Caught up!
First, Frisk's vote on me for "defending my lurking":
Bull****.
Second, Frisk's vote on me for "Not dying":
Actually, I don't have a good answer for you. Ask scum. I would suspect it has to do with another ongoing game that I can't talk about though. I'm in a bit of a lull since being wiped out of M-XI.
Third, Frisk's accusation that I would've killed Robz:
Holy smokes are you tunneling Frisk. But this is ridiculous. I'm the person who, in M-II, made the call to kill Bozzball, a serial lurker who was quite honestly not even playing at that point. Why? Because as scum I'm MUCH better at applying WIFOM to "Scum Galz would've killed the strong players". Basically, if I were scum, I would be focused on the weak, quiet players, while keeping the strong talkative ones alive so that I could blend in. My meta says that I post. A lot. Do you really think scum Galz wants a crowd of quiet people around him? I would draw so much effing attention to myself it's ridiculous.
Moving on...:
I absolutely 100% agree with eHunt that we shouldn't be talking theory here. Our PR's are going to do what they can, but what that is exactly is dictated by scum. The last thing we want to do is solve the switch problem for scum. Unfortunately, this thread and this community isn't filled with idiots. Simply saying "There's relevant theory" is enough to make people think, and if they're thinking, they'll figure it out - scum OR town.
My suspicion then is that the damage is done. However, if it's NOT, there's no reason to keep blabbing. Town can't change anything. They've no input and no impact. So there is no optimal town strategy, only optimal scum strategy.
With that all said, I don't find the back and forth between Frisk and eHunt all that scummy. Frisk is a bit strong headed at times (See: Him tunneling me above), and once he gets something in his head he keeps pushing it. Sometimes he's right (See: BMMMMM, where his sixth sense knew I was scum and on which night to track both ftl and myself), but often he's wrong. In this case, I don't think it's a matter of being right OR wrong, it's just him not liking being told what he can or cannot do. And a threat of a policy vote is only going to push Frisk's buttons more.
I *generally* get a townie vibe from Frisk so far, for mainly two reasons. The first is the above discussion. The second is the lack of lurking and stronger involvement. As far back as I can really recall, this has been a definition of Frisk's meta's. While he's capable of lurking as town, I don't KNOW that he's capable of NOT lurking as scum.
eHunt I'm kinda neutral on. I don't give town cred for basically starting the theory talk then trying to back away. That's certainly something somebody from either faction is capable of. I DO get an ever-so-slight scum vibe like he's trying to keep the talk relevant while trying to appear as being against it... But I don't know. That's a weird gut read and nothing substantial.
Joth stands out to me a bit, especially his "I'll respect eHunt's request to not talk about theory" - AFTER having pushed it a little bit, and AFTER seeing the consequences and heat that it's drawn CF. It felt a bit like... "Oh, looks like I should stay out of this" kind of reaction. A little bit forced and disingenuous. Still, early D1, it's not exactly a strong read.
On the flip side, Axxle's (GO UPDATE THE COSMIC THREADS <3) very quick backing of eHunt also stood out in that... I don't know. It just felt like he had some inside information already, knew what eHunt was on about, and felt he could snag some town cred by being all pro-town and backing eHunt's "let's not give scum more information" statement.
I need to reread some other players, but that's all that stuck out to me. I really want to OMGUS vote Frisk, but I honestly get a slight town read, even through his massive tunneling. Plus, you know, he has a wagon that I don't really feel like climbing aboard.
Going to update other threads. Will reread more here later.
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