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[Qvist]

yuma, I think your hypothesis is very sensible, and the opposite some people are proposing is at least as convoluted if not more.


Frisk, how? I haven't seen qvist's tunneling on you as a towny thing, how does that make everything we agree on completely null?


Everyone, I'd like to hear your take on ashersky. Would you vote for him and why?

Can you start with an explanation of why you're voting for ashersky?

Because he is scummy. Lurking, not taking positions. Basically, I think he is scum waiting on town to mislynch yuma. In a situation like this, I would expect scum to stay in the sidelines.

I don't like the whole "Lynch all lurkers" thing. But what you said, actually makes sense.
ashersky, I really like to hear your point of view.

[Eevee]

I liked when this was going to me or jotheonah. I don't it like being derailed back to yuma or now to axxle. Ash lynch is fine I guess, But really guys, jotheonah please!

[Captain_Frisk]

I liked when this was going to me or jotheonah. I don't it like being derailed back to yuma or now to axxle. Ash lynch is fine I guess, But really guys, jotheonah please!

Why would you like it if it was going to you?

[Qvist]

All right folks

1. Captain_Frisk - I'm town.
2. jotheonah
4. Eevee
5. Voltgloss
6. Axxle
8. yuma - I'm going to gamble that he is town.  I would have claimed a PR as scum.
10. ashersky
11. QVist - aggressive tunnelling on me is unlikely as a new scum player
12. TheMunch - bad theory is unlikely to be scum

This leaves the scum team as 3 out of {joth, axxle, eevee, ashersky, voltgloss}

If we can just eliminate one person out of that set, we can lynch the rest in order and win the game, because we have 1 mislynch.

Vote: ashersky then?

I like your like of thinking Frisk, and basically only disagree on Qvist.

I don't get how you got from CF's post to voting for ashersky. He hasn't said anything in his analysis about him, just that he's one of his 5 suspects.
Why no vote Voltgloss, vote jotheonah, especially as jotheonah is one of your scum favourites?

I think an ashersky lurker lynch would acceptable to me in and of itself. But the fact that it's been pushed heavily by my top two scumspects, yuma and Eevee, means that it's either a bad idea or I've been way off-base all along. (Which I admit is more than possible).

Interesting. Sounds plausible.

Jot: 276 scummy vibe out of Qvist's post.
jot: 280 suspsicious of frisk for a mass claim suggestion
jot 284 votes Grujah/volt for lurking
jot 312 votes yuma following volt's case
jot 394 expresses suspicion of eevee
jot 454 expresses scum read on eevee, again? I think.
jot 516 has no opinion on ashersky
666 jot; torn on yuma read
693 jot: ash is an acceptable lynch, but worried that it is lead by eevee, yuma
710 jot: will vote elsewhere if yuma isn't lynched when he comes back

Still want to lynch this guy.

ash 288 votes frisk for a "whoops I didn't know setup" mistake
ash 313 votes yuma see above, still suspicious of frisk
ash 431 votes yuma because nothing has changed since he last unvoted and unvotes in 433
559 ash votes yuma to put him back to L-1
619 ash says he is willing to vote for frisk and themunch but not eevee or voltgloss

Still also fine with ashersky.

Also worth noting, Volt has said surprisingly litter after his yuma case that's now dying down.

What's this post about? You cite Volt's summary (thanks for this BTW) and pick two of the players just to say I want to lynch them without a real reason.

Eevee, can you please summarize the case on joth?

Exactly what I meant. I don't get it.

First of all, most of these things can be explained otherwise as well. Remember I know I'm town and consider yuma to be town as well. Also have lighter town reads on Munch and then Voltgloss, and give Axxle some credit for the things yuma just mentioned. So approaching these from the point of view I arrived in with process of elimination:

Jot: 276 scummy vibe out of Qvist's post. - I still also suspect Qvist, saying he got a "scummy vibe" could be a handy way of getting interactions with your scum buddy. He never follows up on qvist as far as i can tell.
jot: 280 suspsicious of frisk for a mass claim suggestion - I dont think this warrants any suspicion, wishywashy
jot 284 votes Grujah/volt for lurking - I dont remember how excessive said lurking was, but wouldnt be the first time mafia tries to buld a wagon on a townie when they give (more or less) legit reasons for it.
jot 312 votes yuma following volt's case - Same here, happy to wagon on someone I think is town.
jot 394 expresses suspicion of eevee - I was defending yuma heavily, some people like munch seemed interest in killing me.
jot 454 expresses scum read on eevee, again? I think.
jot 516 has no opinion on ashersky - wouldnt want to get his scumbuddy lynched
666 jot; torn on yuma read
693 jot: ash is an acceptable lynch, but worried that it is lead by eevee, yuma - again, consider this from my view point. I'm town and I think yuma is town (and I think joth and asher are scum together with a good probability)
710 jot: will vote elsewhere if yuma isn't lynched when he comes back


Okay, writing that post felt kind of stupid, because it looks like I'm saying joth is scum because I think he is scum. Process of elimination and the fact he plays like I'd expect scum to play and isn't giving me any town vibes + the fact that his positions regarding other players seem scummy to me (is suspecting guys I think are town, is suspecting guys I think are mafia but not following up on it or not suspecting them at all) is the reason for my suspicion in a nutshell.

Vote: jotheonah

After Voltgloss pushed you to explain it, you switch to jotheonah and even admit that you have no real reason for it.

I liked when this was going to me or jotheonah. I don't it like being derailed back to yuma or now to axxle. Ash lynch is fine I guess, But really guys, jotheonah please!

It gets more and more pushy. I switch back and Vote: Eevee

[Qvist]

Some more comments:

I'm here now, and will be around most of the day, although that's night for most of you.

I see I get the lynch the lurker treatment yet again.  *sigh*

Sorry, I've just been mislynched a bunch lately.

Anyway, I've given reads, although they are a good number of pages back now.  I was on Frisk D1, continued on D2, and would still vote for him.  Throughout this latest yuma or alternates talk, I think he's been trying to lead town, especially with his "let's just lynch everyone on this list until we win" idea, which sounds an awful lot like something scum!Frisk would come up with to just auto-win for his scum team.  Imagine if we went with it...he just chose who he wanted.

My vote's still on yuma, and I think he's a good lynch for today.  There's been plenty of discussion, which people always required so they don't complain about derphammers (see hydras, where we continue to disagree).  When he flips scum, it'll tell us a lot, especially about those who bussed hard and/or tried to save him.  If he flips town, again, plenty of information, but I don't think this is the most likely scenario (probably 30%).

I had a town read on Eevee from before, but I see some folks have made some cases on him since.  I'm not convinced yet, and don't think he's the right lynch for today.  I continue to support my VG town read, and would put him right behind me on the towniness scale.

Qvist and TheMunch are both hard to read, because they're a bit forward in their style, Q is new, and I don't have a lot of games with Munch to really go off of.

Is it just me or did you basically said nothing? Just a lot of "I don't know"s and "it can or can't be"s.

[Captain_Frisk]

QVist's reaction to post count is very interesting.

[Insomniac]

Vote Count 2-7

Qvist (1) - Yuma
Yuma (2) - TheMunch, Ashersky
Eevee (2) - Jotheonah, QVist
Jotheonah (2) - Eevee, Axxle
Ashersky (1) - Captain_Frisk

Not Voting (1) - Voltgloss

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch

Deadline: November 26 2012, Noon PST

[Voltgloss]

1. Captain_Frisk - 97
2. jotheonah - 71
4. Eevee - 88
5. Grujah - Voltgloss Replaced - 60
6. Axxle - 64
8. yuma -103
10. ashersky - 42
11. QVist - 38
12. TheMunch - 80

Frisk, do you think this post count fairly reflects Axxle's level of lurkiness?

[Qvist]

QVist's reaction to post count is very interesting.

I don't know what you find interesting, but I had no time to post since yesterday because I have a lot of work to do. Don't forget the time difference. I'm now done with work and go home. I just want to leave some comments before I do. Yesterday I did the same thing, look at the timestamp.

[Captain_Frisk]

1. Captain_Frisk - 97
2. jotheonah - 71
4. Eevee - 88
5. Grujah - Voltgloss Replaced - 60
6. Axxle - 64
8. yuma -103
10. ashersky - 42
11. QVist - 38
12. TheMunch - 80

Frisk, do you think this post count fairly reflects Axxle's level of lurkiness?

You're thinking about that mega post in the middle?

[Voltgloss]

1. Captain_Frisk - 97
2. jotheonah - 71
4. Eevee - 88
5. Grujah - Voltgloss Replaced - 60
6. Axxle - 64
8. yuma -103
10. ashersky - 42
11. QVist - 38
12. TheMunch - 80

Frisk, do you think this post count fairly reflects Axxle's level of lurkiness?

You're thinking about that mega post in the middle?

Yep.

[Captain_Frisk]

1. Captain_Frisk - 97
2. jotheonah - 71
4. Eevee - 88
5. Grujah - Voltgloss Replaced - 60
6. Axxle - 64
8. yuma -103
10. ashersky - 42
11. QVist - 38
12. TheMunch - 80

Frisk, do you think this post count fairly reflects Axxle's level of lurkiness?

You're thinking about that mega post in the middle?

Do you feel that he's been more lurky than Asher?

Yep.

[Captain_Frisk]

1. Captain_Frisk - 97
2. jotheonah - 71
4. Eevee - 88
5. Grujah - Voltgloss Replaced - 60
6. Axxle - 64
8. yuma -103
10. ashersky - 42
11. QVist - 38
12. TheMunch - 80

Frisk, do you think this post count fairly reflects Axxle's level of lurkiness?

You're thinking about that mega post in the middle?

Yep.

Do you feel that he's been more lurky than asher?

[TheMunch]

Munch, you are asking Ash all these questions, why is 'what do you think of eevee vs joth' not one of them?

Not intentionally missed.  I mean the heart of my post was I would rather lynch ashersky for a reason not lurking and that was the point of the questions; to make ashersky produce content that can be analyzed.  This question can be added to my list.

[Eevee]

I liked when this was going to me or jotheonah. I don't it like being derailed back to yuma or now to axxle. Ash lynch is fine I guess, But really guys, jotheonah please!

Why would you like it if it was going to you?

Maybe you'll listen to me after I flipped town. No, seriously it's that I'm SO confident about joth and feel at least the town aligned among us would see how my case is stronger and pick the right guy.

[Captain_Frisk]

I liked when this was going to me or jotheonah. I don't it like being derailed back to yuma or now to axxle. Ash lynch is fine I guess, But really guys, jotheonah please!

Why would you like it if it was going to you?

Maybe you'll listen to me after I flipped town. No, seriously it's that I'm SO confident about joth and feel at least the town aligned among us would see how my case is stronger and pick the right guy.

Go back, read joth, and if you think he is scum, would you also assume that Asher is one of his buddies?

This is one of the things that lead me to vote Asher.

[Captain_Frisk]

Well, my lunch break is over and I need to get off F.DS so I can write this stupid story. (Last day before Thanksgiving break = complete lack of work ethic).

If a yuma hammer isn't dropped when I get back (and I highly doubt it will be, for whatever reason) then I'll change my vote next time I come online. Either to Eevee or ashersky.

[Voltgloss]

On further read, I see Frisk's "raw" postcount data combines Days 1 and 2, as well as pre-game.  Let's break those out.

Day 1 raw postcount:

Captain_Frisk - 36
jotheonah - 26
Eevee - 11
Grujah/Voltgloss - 3
Axxle - 18
yuma - 7
ashersky - 9
Qvist - 8
TheMunch - 10

Day 2 raw postcount:

Captain_Frisk - 64
jotheonah - 41
Eevee - 73
Grujah/Voltgloss - 60
Axxle - 45
yuma - 90
ashersky - 30
Qvist - 32
TheMunch - 70

The evening of November 14, Axxle made 22 posts in a row (interrupted by one post of ashersky's).  If that series of mini-posts was considered one mega-post, he'd have 24 posts total Day 2.  If each mini-post was considered half of a post, he'd have 34 posts total Day 2.

So Frisk, to answer your question:  I think Axxle, ash, and Qvist are all lurking roughly equally on Day 2.  With joth coming next.

[Eevee]

I'd said this quite a few times now.
Joth and Ash are my two biggest scum reads, and their interactions (that is not the only time joth has raised suspicion on him without following up on it) lead me to believe it's very possible they are in fact scum buddies. I also wouldn't be surprised if their third member was someone I don't suspect at all. Kinda don't see Qvist defending them like that (by attacking me) if the team was exactly joth Ash Qvist.

[Eevee]

I'd said this quite a few times now.
Joth and Ash are my two biggest scum reads, and their interactions (that is not the only time joth has raised suspicion on him without following up on it) lead me to believe it's very possible they are in fact scum buddies. I also wouldn't be surprised if their third member was someone I don't suspect at all. Kinda don't see Qvist defending them like that (by attacking me) if the team was exactly joth Ash Qvist.

[Captain_Frisk]

I'd said this quite a few times now.
Joth and Ash are my two biggest scum reads, and their interactions (that is not the only time joth has raised suspicion on him without following up on it) lead me to believe it's very possible they are in fact scum buddies. I also wouldn't be surprised if their third member was someone I don't suspect at all. Kinda don't see Qvist defending them like that (by attacking me) if the team was exactly joth Ash Qvist.

So important that you needed to post it twice over 2 minutes apart?

[Captain_Frisk]

I'd said this quite a few times now.
Joth and Ash are my two biggest scum reads, and their interactions (that is not the only time joth has raised suspicion on him without following up on it) lead me to believe it's very possible they are in fact scum buddies. I also wouldn't be surprised if their third member was someone I don't suspect at all. Kinda don't see Qvist defending them like that (by attacking me) if the team was exactly joth Ash Qvist.

So important that you needed to post it twice over 2 minutes apart?

Especially strange given:

only mobile access for the next 30 hours, basically no access at all for the next 15 hours.

[Eevee]

on train, bad internet. didnt realize it came through the first time, sorry. just arrived here, VLA starts now except for possible post-party drunkposting.

[Captain_Frisk]

Lets play a game:

@ everyone in this list.
{joth, axxle, eevee, ashersky, voltgloss}

Provide your top 2 scum reads and the 1 person you would bet the game is town inside that set of 5 people.

[Voltgloss]

Lets play a game:

@ everyone in this list.
{joth, axxle, eevee, ashersky, voltgloss}

Provide your top 2 scum reads and the 1 person you would bet the game is town inside that set of 5 people.

Do you want people to answer in a particular order?