Big re-read on Paco, since I didn't actually post a comprehensive one earlier.
Will you explain 89% thing?
Eventually, yes, but first I would like to know who I am playing with (hence my newbie question). It helps understand everybody's reactions. I am particularly wary of experienced players that I've never played with before.
-- having opened with an 89% serious vote on Ash, he gets quite criptic about his reasons, and never does go back and explain quite what he was up to.
No way. I see this is scum all the time. To wit, silverspawn's most recent Mafia world championship game he opened something similar and I immediately guessed him to be scum which is exactly how he turned out.
Well, silverspawn and I are different people, I think? Otherwise I wouldn't be able to play this game. Because I would also be modding it. And I would know everybody's alignment. And that would be cheating.
-- does this read like it could be a set-up conversation between scum partners, before they got into the adversarial stuff?
Paco omgusing me doesn't really sway me off the idea.
So I wanted to get back to you about my bad feeling.
See, what I normally see about other players, when they get invested in a game as you are, is that half their cases or reads seem to come out of nowhere. Half the time they won't ever explain them. And the other half, even after they explain them, there's a good 40% the reasons will seem weird to me! Best case scenario, they just OMGUS people and bend themselves backwards to find a reason to find them scummy. This is only more true in your case, since your thought process and mine are very different, from what I remember playing with you or reading your games.
But here, you've jumped on the "hard claim town" and "overly helpful" cliche arguments for finding someone scummy (I was aware that opening with a town claim is considered scummy in this forum, I wanted to see who would jump on it). Super safe, super forgettable reasons and votes. I am wary of that.
-- this one just makes me uneasy because he's clearly playing a complicated game whatever level you read it on: he's saying he's town opening scummily, but saying it to someone we now know to be scum, but he could easily also
be scum himself saying it to cover any minor scummy stuff he does while trying to cover up his motives.
We've still got what 5 days till the end of the day, so we don't need to rush for a lynch quite yet. Before I reread again, PPS or Zigaton would be ok lynches, so would be McGarnacle and Lalight, and I am promoting J Reggie to lynchable by virtue of me not remembering if h's done anything memorable yet. RR and McG would be the main targets of a reread, I think.
-- I distinctly remember in one of the other games people complaining about anyone who tries to convince town that we've got plenty of time left, because the risk of missing a deadline and not getting a lynch is bad. PPS reiterates the same point 11 posts later!
After the last vote is cast, you are guaranteed to die, and you get to speak until the mod sees that last vote and closes the thread.
I haven't been following the game super closely the last two days, can someone remind me why we think McG is scum?
-- Is asking other people to make cases that he can then jump on a scum tactic? Especially when at that point he's voting for PPS.
There's a whole section around J Reggie's fakehammer that I just don't know how to handle, because it's quite a long conversation in which PPS and Paco are the main players. Hard to work out what's townie and what's not even with one of them conf!scum in retrospect.
No, it looks like it wasn't.
I am fairly busy, and need time to mull over the recent developments, but please don't go lynching people without taking the time to think things through?
-- One of Paco's posts urging things to slow down when the PPS lynch was in progress.
I think PPS is just bad at reading setups. He might still be scum, but let's calm down.
Mafia either have a roleblocker or an investigation inmune scum, so McG wouldn't have given us any new info other than telling us which setup we have, which is 100% irrelevant now. So whatevs.
-- and the "let's calm down" part that ended up making me unvote, which he then managed to scumread me for later on.
Heh. Sure. I mean, this will be the third time you are 100% convinced I am scum ("If I claim daycop, will you lynch him?", remember that one?), and yet I turn out to be town, so I think even you trust yourself too blindly.
Anyway, doesn't look like you want to be useful, so we'll have to wait for the new day and see.
Scumslip bolded for emphasis. Assuming a new day means you know I'm town.
-- This is one useful piece of particularly useful evidence that Ash left us with.
Argh, I was hoping it would be Lalight, now I need to reread SA... I mean, I don't expect to find them scummier than J Reggie, but well they were considered IC by everybody so they shouldn't have survived until now and now I am paranoid.
-- This could easily be a WIFOM thing with the NK if Paco is scum, especially since LL and I were both townread, and LL was the one voting for JR yesterday. I think it's safe to say that it's usually possible to make a scum case on anyone if you're feeling paranoid, because I feel like I can believe either JR or Paco can come off as scummy based on my re-reads to date.
It's hard to reconcile my most-of-the-game scumread on JR with the Ash-evidence and scumslip Paco, especially because even coming into D4 I thought Paco was town, but then a bunch of the stuff above doesn't look great.
I'm also worried because JR hasn't posted any actual re-read on either me or Paco.. presumably scum have a harder time reading people if they know they're town? He did post on PPS, but then that's a known scum already, so presumably easier to deal with. I think that's my biggest doubt left at this stage.
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