That early in the game you were soooo confident to declare multiple times that we weren't allowed to lynch PPS?
For clarity at this point there had been 150 (-43 from pre-game) posts in the game and the game had been going on for about 5 hours.
And you actually first declare that PPS wouldn't be lynched today even earlier than that (76 posts into the game, again -43 from pre-game).
Can you tell me which of these posts made you so sure that he was town so quickly?
In that time here are the posts from PPS:
Vote: pingpongsam, no way that guy isn't scum.
but I still have thing about self voting
I know, right? That's why I voted for him too.
I refuse to claim.
I refuse to claim.
BUT WHY? It will be fun!
Seriously. Have we ever had a game where we just mass claimed out of the gates. Conventional thinking has always been that it is bad. But do we have any empirical data to back this up or just theoretics?
Because the last time I claimed VT on day 1 they mislynched me.
This is how it works. If you're scum you lie and claim VT. If you're VT you tell the truth and claim VT. If you are a Town PR you hide yourself by claiming VT.
So we all massclaim VT and that is so informative and helpful that Town just wins the game D1.
This is how it works. If you're scum you lie and claim VT. If you're VT you tell the truth and claim VT. If you are a Town PR you hide yourself by claiming VT.
So we all massclaim VT and that is so informative and helpful that Town just wins the game D1.
If you are a town PR why would you hide as claiming VT? that would be silly.
And if all the mafia claimed VT that would be great! We would just lynch VTs and the pool size would be 3 mafia in 9 instead of 3 mafia in 12! Awesome!
Okay, so clearly scum is going to claim PR (at least 1 of them), so the strategy has to become lynch claimed PRs since the pool from which there are obvious liars to hit is likely much smaller. Meanwhile the scum who claimed VT know which PR to kill when it is most beneficial to do so otherwise hitting VTs until the time is right.
This is how it works. If you're scum you lie and claim VT. If you're VT you tell the truth and claim VT. If you are a Town PR you hide yourself by claiming VT.
So we all massclaim VT and that is so informative and helpful that Town just wins the game D1.
If you are a town PR why would you hide as claiming VT? that would be silly.
And if all the mafia claimed VT that would be great! We would just lynch VTs and the pool size would be 3 mafia in 9 instead of 3 mafia in 12! Awesome!
Scumslip.
The only people who could have an assumption regarding PR count at this time are scum.
vote: yuma
See, I don't even know how to tell if this is true or not.
This idea is either slightly (but statistically insignificant) better than No Lynch which is a terrible idea without question.
chairs isn't lurking. when chairs lurks you don't see him hardly at all ever. This is highly active chairs.
The only sane vote on chairs at this moment is for playing outside his meta.
This idea is either slightly (but statistically insignificant) better than No Lynch which is a terrible idea without question.
I disagree and unless you show me how I will continue. But that is ok. I think it would be fun and potentially beneficial to mass claim. It hasnt' been done before so I don't know why people (including me of the past) are so sure that it is terrible.
Honestly I think the risk is relatively small and the reward is also relatively small (but potentially really big because it puts the onus on mafia to not make a critical mistake).
The issue is, in a matter of minutes between just the two of us we contrived 3 wholly different outcomes for this which means that there isn't any way to determine what the actual outcome is even within a suitable subset of possible outcomes. Thus, it is dis-informative and by the time the actuality of the course of action begins to pan out it will be too late for the duped Townies.
No it isn't. I am not counting PRs. I am counting mafia, which everyone knows...
How do you know that it becomes 3 mafia out of 9 VTs?
Because in the scenario described all persons claimed VT.
If I were a Town PR forced to claim I would claim VT. Thus, I am fundamentally opposed.
If I were a Town PR forced to claim I would claim VT. Thus, I am fundamentally opposed.
ok. well if you are fundamentally opposed then I will drop it. I am not going to force anyone. I would like to try to talk people into it. BUT I do want to do it at some point in a mafia game. I think it would 1. be good for town in that game and 2. provide evidence for the future.
If you truly support the notion you would first claim yourself.
WW claimed VT and has not been wagoned yet.
So you want us to create empirical evidence that it is, in fact, a bad idea...
Generally, speaking, I like to have an assumption that something is a good idea before I embark upon an effort to obtain empirical evidence that it was, in fact, a good idea. Starting off on the assumption that an idea is bad is not a good reason to try and prove it so.
Voting for PPS is the only reasonable course of action at this point.
A quick, cursory glance shows posts that up to the point that you made your strong declaration were 1. self voting 2. arguing with me about theory 3. once defending chairs about lurking 4.
It isn't that I don't think you can have a town read from that, it is that I don't think you can have really any read from that (and this isn't a criticism of PPS's posts) let alone a strong read to say multiple times that we shouldn't be lynching him.