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[Twistedarcher]

Policy vote: yuma for bringing up massclaiming and having all players engage in a discussion where they unwillingly drop hints about their roles.

that's on the other players, not on yuma. and bringing up that people are dropping hints is even worse than what yuma did.

i'm pro massclaim, but it's probably more from the viewpoint of i want to see what happens and its impact on the game than i'm 100% convinced it will happenhelp

[Witherweaver]

Vote: Inceptiongame a la Shahrazad

[ashersky]

Well, we can lynch non-claimants.  That always works out well.

[Twistedarcher]

Policy vote: yuma for bringing up massclaiming and having all players engage in a discussion where they unwillingly drop hints about their roles.

that is their problem... not mine. People should be smart enough to not do that. But really in the end if we mass claim, it doesn't matter!

You know as well as me that people are not smart enough to do that.

PPS has stated he is unwilling to claim, so has Awaclus. This should end the discussion, since a massclaim only works if everyone participates. If anyone else thinks some specific role should claim, they either are that role and go ahead and claim or they shut up.

massclaim doesn't need 100% approval, if it happens people participate, even if they're in the minority.

vote: massclaim

False.

point me to an instance of massclaim happening but a player flat out refusing to participate. if the majority wants it to happen and a player doesn't participate, they should and would be lynched, and so no player would refuse to participate.

[ashersky]

Vote: Inceptiongame a la Shahrazad

It'd be cool, but we'd deadline out here and scum could just kill us off each night.

[Witherweaver]

Vote: Inceptiongame a la Shahrazad

It'd be cool, but we'd deadline out here and scum could just kill us off each night.

It would be Blitz Mafia, obv.

[Twistedarcher]

But you're coming up with argument against massclaim that aren't real without addressing the actual validity of the massclaim itself

[yuma]

Also one more reason that I like claiming... cause I keep coming up with more...

If mafia decide to claim a PR then they run into the Robz problem of claiming a PR early, but some how mysteriously not dying the longer the game goes on. Which generally means that a mafia should claim VT early and not worry about that, but if we just lynch out of the VT pool then we have a higher success rate.

It puts a catch-22 on mafia, which I quite like!

So, like, would you be pro-massclaim in every open setup?

No. And a lot of that would depend on how this one went. It would all be circumstantial. There are going to be setups that favor it, there will be setups that don't. I think this one does for a variety of reasons.

In thinking back there were situations were people claimed early (not mass claim, but individual claims) and it helped. ash claimed 1-shot doc in that ninja game I think where chairs went crazy with the vig. I feel like there was one or two claims in the harry potter game that helped narrow the pool down. So those probably were good setups to claim in. Others will be ones that are certainly not--the Pick your poison or the one that faust ran with giving numbers to get slots for choosing prs for example.

[ashersky]

But you're coming up with argument against massclaim that aren't real without addressing the actual validity of the massclaim itself

He's also doing the thing he complained about happening.

[yuma]

alright, I'll stop talking about claiming unless there is another post about it that prompts me to talk about it. Because I do agree taht claiming needs to be at least 80% of players on board, 100% is preferrable and it is apparent that isnt' going to happen.

is PPS still voting himself?

[ashersky]

Yep.

[ashersky]

I'll join him.  He's pulling an ash.

vote: pps

[yuma]

Yep.

thanks for checking. I am lazy. You should vote for him too!

[yuma]

ha!

[Awaclus]

Policy vote: yuma for bringing up massclaiming and having all players engage in a discussion where they unwillingly drop hints about their roles.

that is their problem... not mine. People should be smart enough to not do that. But really in the end if we mass claim, it doesn't matter!

You know as well as me that people are not smart enough to do that.

PPS has stated he is unwilling to claim, so has Awaclus. This should end the discussion, since a massclaim only works if everyone participates. If anyone else thinks some specific role should claim, they either are that role and go ahead and claim or they shut up.

I wouldn't read that much into my posts, I just don't want a massclaim to happen at all regardless of if I want to participate in it or not.

[faust]

Policy vote: yuma for bringing up massclaiming and having all players engage in a discussion where they unwillingly drop hints about their roles.

that is their problem... not mine. People should be smart enough to not do that. But really in the end if we mass claim, it doesn't matter!

You know as well as me that people are not smart enough to do that.

PPS has stated he is unwilling to claim, so has Awaclus. This should end the discussion, since a massclaim only works if everyone participates. If anyone else thinks some specific role should claim, they either are that role and go ahead and claim or they shut up.

massclaim doesn't need 100% approval, if it happens people participate, even if they're in the minority.

vote: massclaim

False.

point me to an instance of massclaim happening but a player flat out refusing to participate. if the majority wants it to happen and a player doesn't participate, they should and would be lynched, and so no player would refuse to participate.

Not possible because ongoing games.

[faust]

But you're coming up with argument against massclaim that aren't real without addressing the actual validity of the massclaim itself

I know. Smart, right?

[faust]

Policy vote: yuma for bringing up massclaiming and having all players engage in a discussion where they unwillingly drop hints about their roles.

that is their problem... not mine. People should be smart enough to not do that. But really in the end if we mass claim, it doesn't matter!

You know as well as me that people are not smart enough to do that.

PPS has stated he is unwilling to claim, so has Awaclus. This should end the discussion, since a massclaim only works if everyone participates. If anyone else thinks some specific role should claim, they either are that role and go ahead and claim or they shut up.

I wouldn't read that much into my posts, I just don't want a massclaim to happen at all regardless of if I want to participate in it or not.

But I have to read much into your posts. They're so short and sparse!

[faust]

Didn't you listen? No lynching PPS today.

[yuma]

If he doesn't want to be lynched he should stop voting for himself.

[Witherweaver]

If he doesn't want to be lynched he should stop voting for himself.

Who should he vote for?

[Twistedarcher]

Didn't you listen? No lynching PPS today.

why not?

[Witherweaver]

Vote: Faust because it's cool.

[yuma]

If he doesn't want to be lynched he should stop voting for himself.

Who should he vote for?

Dunno. He doesn't have to vote for anyone atm.

[faust]

If he doesn't want to be lynched he should stop voting for himself.

Well, true. But that's no excuse for you voting for him. Or anyone. I don't even know why ashersky thinks PPS is scummy.