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[Witherweaver]

My plan is, if there are masons, claim right away.  There are good reasons for this.

I agree. Any other roles that should claim right away?

Mafia Goon
Mafia Strongman
Mafia Roleblocker

[gkrieg13]

My plan is, if there are masons, claim right away.  There are good reasons for this.

What are these reasons?

[yuma]

If I were a Town PR forced to claim I would claim VT. Thus, I am fundamentally opposed.

ok. well if you are fundamentally opposed then I will drop it. I am not going to force anyone. I would like to try to talk people into it. BUT I do want to do it at some point in a mafia game. I think it would 1. be good for town in that game and 2. provide evidence for the future.

If you truly support the notion you would first claim yourself.

I would, but only if we had a town consensus. Me claiming all by my lonesome like you did way back when is not in anyway beneficial and will likely only result in me getting lynched.

[Witherweaver]

If I were a Town PR forced to claim I would claim VT. Thus, I am fundamentally opposed.

ok. well if you are fundamentally opposed then I will drop it. I am not going to force anyone. I would like to try to talk people into it. BUT I do want to do it at some point in a mafia game. I think it would 1. be good for town in that game and 2. provide evidence for the future.

If you truly support the notion you would first claim yourself.

I would, but only if we had a town consensus. Me claiming all by my lonesome like you did way back when is not in anyway beneficial and will likely only result in me getting lynched.

I consent to you claiming, and I represent Town.

[pingpongsam]

WW claimed VT and has not been wagoned yet.

[yuma]

If I were a Town PR forced to claim I would claim VT. Thus, I am fundamentally opposed.

ok. well if you are fundamentally opposed then I will drop it. I am not going to force anyone. I would like to try to talk people into it. BUT I do want to do it at some point in a mafia game. I think it would 1. be good for town in that game and 2. provide evidence for the future.

I doubt the evidence would be that strong.  Otherwise every mafia game ever would just be a mass claim D1 and then seeing if people stick with their roles.

But what I am saying is that we haven't ever really tried it. At least not on this site as far as I can tell. The consensus has always been that it is bad, but based off assumptions rather than empirical evidence to back that up.

[pingpongsam]

So you want us to create empirical evidence that it is, in fact, a bad idea...

[yuma]

Didn't we try the massclaim Day 1 thing recently?

Also, doesn't Yuma propose this like every game?

If f.ds did then I obviously wasnt' around for it. I poked around some of those games, but don't really have a great grasp of them, if that happened send me a link cause I want to see it.

And no. I am/was generally opposed to any plan of any sort. You are thinking of ashersky. But time changes people!

[yuma]

So you want us to create empirical evidence that it is, in fact, a bad idea...

No I want to create empirical evidence that is is, in fact, a bad idea or a good idea depending upon the result! I predict it will have a good result. You predict a bad result. Only one way to find out!

[yuma]

If I were a Town PR forced to claim I would claim VT. Thus, I am fundamentally opposed.

ok. well if you are fundamentally opposed then I will drop it. I am not going to force anyone. I would like to try to talk people into it. BUT I do want to do it at some point in a mafia game. I think it would 1. be good for town in that game and 2. provide evidence for the future.

If you truly support the notion you would first claim yourself.

I would, but only if we had a town consensus. Me claiming all by my lonesome like you did way back when is not in anyway beneficial and will likely only result in me getting lynched.

I consent to you claiming, and I represent Town.

1 down. 10 to go.

[pingpongsam]

Generally, speaking, I like to have an assumption that something is a good idea before I embark upon an effort to obtain empirical evidence that it was, in fact, a good idea. Starting off on the assumption that an idea is bad is not a good reason to try and prove it so.

[yuma]

Generally, speaking, I like to have an assumption that something is a good idea before I embark upon an effort to obtain empirical evidence that it was, in fact, a good idea. Starting off on the assumption that an idea is bad is not a good reason to try and prove it so.

I agree. Except I think it is a good idea. So I was trying to persuade you that it was a good idea. But you disagreed, which is fine, so I am not going to try to persuade you further unless you want me to and leave it there.

[Witherweaver]

Didn't we try the massclaim Day 1 thing recently?

Also, doesn't Yuma propose this like every game?

If f.ds did then I obviously wasnt' around for it. I poked around some of those games, but don't really have a great grasp of them, if that happened send me a link cause I want to see it.

And no. I am/was generally opposed to any plan of any sort. You are thinking of ashersky. But time changes people!

Hmm.. for some reason this scenario feels very, very familiar. 

[Witherweaver]

Generally, speaking, I like to have an assumption that something is a good idea before I embark upon an effort to obtain empirical evidence that it was, in fact, a good idea. Starting off on the assumption that an idea is bad is not a good reason to try and prove it so.

Vote: PPS

Obviously hasn't had time to come up with a proper fake claim.

[pingpongsam]

Voting for PPS is the only reasonable course of action at this point.

[Witherweaver]

Voting for PPS is the only reasonable course of action at this point.

I agree.

Also, we can execute Yuma's plan by just putting everyone to L-1, where they would naturally claim.  Or if Ichi was playing, to L-(L-1).

[faust]

My plan is, if there are masons, claim right away.  There are good reasons for this.

I agree. Any other roles that should claim right away?

Mafia Goon
Mafia Strongman
Mafia Roleblocker

Townslip: forgot Mafia Godfather

[faust]

Hi everyone by the way. Hi yuma in particular, welcome back. It's good to have you back to stop all this silly strechted out RVS.

I like ashersky's plan.

Vote: Jimmmmm

[Witherweaver]

My plan is, if there are masons, claim right away.  There are good reasons for this.

I agree. Any other roles that should claim right away?

Mafia Goon
Mafia Strongman
Mafia Roleblocker

Townslip: forgot Mafia Godfather

Hooray!  Now I'm an IC.

[faust]

Also PPS is not getting lynched today.

[Witherweaver]

Also PPS is not getting lynched today.

Not with that attitude.

[faust]

This is how it works. If you're scum you lie and claim VT. If you're VT you tell the truth and claim VT. If you are a Town PR you hide yourself by claiming VT.

So we all massclaim VT and that is so informative and helpful that Town just wins the game D1.

If you are a town PR why would you hide as claiming VT? that would be silly.

And if all the mafia claimed VT that would be great! We would just lynch VTs and the pool size would be 3 mafia in 9 instead of 3 mafia in 12! Awesome!

Scumslip.

The only people who could have an assumption regarding PR count at this time are scum.

vote: yuma

This is a bad post. chairs is my backup lynch choice.

[Witherweaver]

This is how it works. If you're scum you lie and claim VT. If you're VT you tell the truth and claim VT. If you are a Town PR you hide yourself by claiming VT.

So we all massclaim VT and that is so informative and helpful that Town just wins the game D1.

If you are a town PR why would you hide as claiming VT? that would be silly.

And if all the mafia claimed VT that would be great! We would just lynch VTs and the pool size would be 3 mafia in 9 instead of 3 mafia in 12! Awesome!

Scumslip.

The only people who could have an assumption regarding PR count at this time are scum.

vote: yuma

This is a bad post. chairs is my backup lynch choice.

Backup after... Jimmmmm?

[faust]

Backup after... Jimmmmm?

Obviously.

[chairs]

No it isn't. I am not counting PRs. I am counting mafia, which everyone knows...

How do you know that it becomes 3 mafia out of 9 VTs?

MY POINT EXACTLY.

PPE (everything after this post).