thats alot of text color changes.
/in
also comparable to WIFOM? I don't fully understand that one.
ah i see... how annoying is it to keep color changing?
Flavor in this game will be based on MLP:FiM. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Little_Pony:_Friendship_Is_Magic)
Flavor in this game will be based on MLP:FiM. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Little_Pony:_Friendship_Is_Magic)
Googling cleared it up, but you do see how using acronyms is not a great idea if you're introducing flavor ?
Not sure about this one. I'll /tag for now.
Edit : Oh, there was a link, never mind.
How similar is this to the setup that you asked me to look at way back?
I assume I'm spectating this one?This isn't the setup you were helping me with, so you can play if you want.
I assume I'm spectating this one?This isn't the setup you were helping me with, so you can play if you want.
The, uhm, problem I have with that one is that I was forced to change it so much that now it's not really anything "special", it's just a bunch of powers on both sides. It doesn't have a soul. But you did basically teach me how to design games in the process.
Honestly, I don't think I should ever host a bastard game. I feel like the main objective is to be funny, and I tend to be the least funny whenever I try really hard.
MLP:FIM themed Mafia?/in
/ininininininin
(http://www.elbakin.net/plume/xmedia/fantasy/news/animation/OMG.jpg)
Oh! MLP = My Little Pony? I don't think I would ever have been able to guess that.
If I play, can I be Rainbow Dash?
Wait, so I have to be a pony now?
... *sigh*
ok, /in
So, basically, you're saying that Rainbow Dash is a nobody.
It's really sad you don't get my reference. :'(
I'm going to say that the artist just threw some imagery of KH on the pony then. :p
Why am I even playing Kingdom Hearts
Oh! MLP = My Little Pony? I don't think I would ever have been able to guess that.
It was a link! Didn't you see how it was all in color and stuck out and ... ... ... uhm, okay, maybe not. But I thought people would instinctively click on it if they don't know what it means.
There's like 1 more?yes
Can I play for two players?no
Vote: silverspawn, he's clearly scum because he was scum in Futuramafia.
Vote: silverspawn, he's clearly scum because he was scum in Futuramafia.
I feel like your going to have to let that go eventually...
Vote: silverspawn, he's clearly scum because he was scum in Futuramafia.
I feel like your going to have to let that go eventually...
As soon as he stops having been scum in Futuramafia!
Also, I'm Twilight Sparkle -- is that the same as the Twilight in the opening?
Wow. That is some impressive flavor!
vote: Ghacob since I've never played with you before. Are we all flavor-claiming now?
Wow. That is some impressive flavor!
vote: Ghacob since I've never played with you before. Are we all flavor-claiming now?
That's probably a bad idea, it gives mafia a good idea of who the PRs are.
Vote: Ghacob.
vote: Ghacob since I've never played with you before. Are we all flavor-claiming now?
Vote: Ghacob.vote: Ghacob since I've never played with you before. Are we all flavor-claiming now?
I feel so welcome! :D
Also, theory talk.
Closed setup. So what do we have to talk about? Flavor. It is indicative of alignment, but scum get fakeclaims. So doesn't really help. So lets not talk about it.
Theory talk done.
And now we can continue on and start lynching scum. Starting with ADK.
Wow. That is some impressive flavor!
vote: Ghacob since I've never played with you before. Are we all flavor-claiming now?
That's probably a bad idea, it gives mafia a good idea of who the PRs are.
Uh, where did you get that idea from? vote: ADK
Mm. I'm actually with e I think. The flavor doesn't especially make me think Twilight Sparkle would necessarily be town, or a PR. Aren't role names independent of alignment? Oh wait, so the OP says flavornames are indicative of alignment (not roles) but that Mafia have fakeclaims.
I somehow missed Mafia have daychat too. That could be kind of important.
I'm going to vote: ADK as well.
If he could tell us how familiar he is with the flavor, that might influence my read on him.
This really isn't giving me a good feeling about Hydrad.
1) Post count inflation. That first "woooo (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=12764.msg486960#msg486960)" post? I mean really. Pure post count inflation
2) Wagon hopping. Starts on EFHW (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=12764.msg486961#msg486961) for no good reason at all. Jumps over to the Awaclus (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=12764.msg487036#msg487036) wagon for a slightly better reason, but still terrible. Then switches to yet a third wagon against e (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=12764.msg487053#msg487053) with an absolutely nonsensical explanation. Clearly just trying to find the first available lynch and latch on.
3) Encourages voting for the mod (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=12764.msg486974#msg486974).
4) Buddying the new player (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=12764.msg487035#msg487035)
5) Makes a comment about theory talk without actually saying anything (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=12764.msg487050#msg487050).
Pretty strong case if you ask me. If I didn't like my ADK case better I would definitely vote for Hydrad.
Like seriously though, you're kidding right?
I always trust Tyler's cases.
Well, we're off to a strong start.
I agree that flavor name claiming is bad. The case on ADK is about as strong as any D1 case I've seen. vote: ADK.
unvote
So I'm a bit confused, should I jump on the wagon or vote for who I think is actually an enemy person?
So I'm a bit confused, should I jump on the wagon or vote for who I think is actually an enemy person?
I won't vote anyone on day1, unless they're at L-1. I need to be the one hammering today.
No, i won't hammer unless either someone else says that he intends to hammer or when i agree that the person at L-1 is a good lynch.I won't vote anyone on day1, unless they're at L-1. I need to be the one hammering today.
How far are you willing to go to ensure you're the one hammering today? i.e. if, say, ADK gets to L-1 now, would you hammer him if you had the chance, just to make sure you won't miss?
I'm apparently bad at reading sarcasm over the internet. Who here is actually serious about their votes?Well, we're off to a strong start.
I agree that flavor name claiming is bad. The case on ADK is about as strong as any D1 case I've seen. vote: ADK.
I mean, the "case" against me is that I made the same statement that you made. So really, you should be voting for yourself.
One of my win conditions is to have a lot of players post Support: faust in thread. It doesn't do anything but help me win. So if you could do that, I'll be grateful and do my best to find the scum.
Okay, so here's the deal: I have a third-party role.
I'm apparently bad at reading sarcasm over the internet. Who here is actually serious about their votes?Well, we're off to a strong start.
I agree that flavor name claiming is bad. The case on ADK is about as strong as any D1 case I've seen. vote: ADK.
I mean, the "case" against me is that I made the same statement that you made. So really, you should be voting for yourself.
I mean, usually when I self-vote I'm just being petulant. It's not like ashersky where an ashersky self-vote is a Town tell :P
If I'm going to be honest, though, I just wanted to see if anybody would shove on it for L-1 so we'd have data for D2 and someone to eyeball D1. Nobody did, so I'll just have to go back to gut voting, and my gut says vote: e I don't like interest rates.
So I'm a bit confused, should I jump on the wagon or vote for who I think is actually an enemy person?
Okay, so here's the deal: I have a third-party role.
Who is your character?
I think there is good reasoning to just push wagons for their own sake sometimes. Putting pressure on people is always good.So I'm a bit confused, should I jump on the wagon or vote for who I think is actually an enemy person?
Always the second one.
I don't think faust is lying about his role. I have a similar role (which I also can't fully disclose) where I get a power if a certain amount of people post encourage: Ichimaru Gin in the thread. The third-party part of his claim is kind of strange though. This is a regular setup, so what faction is he part of then?
I don't think faust is lying about his role. I have a similar role (which I also can't fully disclose) where I get a power if a certain amount of people post encourage: Ichimaru Gin in the thread. The third-party part of his claim is kind of strange though. This is a regular setup, so what faction is he part of then?
Okay, so here's the deal: I have a third-party role.
No killing, I win with anyone (it's a bit more complicated than that actually, but basically this). I'm still a town asset because I can scumhunt for you.
One of my win conditions is to have a lot of players post Support: faust in thread. It doesn't do anything but help me win. So if you could do that, I'll be grateful and do my best to find the scum.
I'm Discord.
I'm Discord.
FWIW, I know nothing about the flavor, and haven't read the flavor (sorry)
I love scummy-sounding townies.
Taking fausts claim at face value:
Scum wants to kill him. As a third party, he is probably more powerful than your average townie. He wins with town. Town wins a majority of games. Therefore, (if I take the claim at face value) I will be treating faust as a town PR and scum will likely want to kill him.
I don't have time to think about implications of his flavor name or the possibilities of faust lying and all that right now. Will think about that later.
FWIW, I know nothing about the flavor, and haven't read the flavor (sorry)Discord is the literal embodiment of Chaos(this game's scum)
I have a similar role (which I also can't fully disclose) where I get a power if a certain amount of people post encourage: Ichimaru Gin in the thread.
I'm Rarity, the Element of Generosity.I have a similar role (which I also can't fully disclose) where I get a power if a certain amount of people post encourage: Ichimaru Gin in the thread.
Can you tell us Your flavor/character name?
faust, is there anything more you'd be willing to reveal about your role? The "big bad" in the opening post's flavor is literally the character you're claiming, so it's... more than a little confusing that you'd be anything but scum (although I could totally believe a SK variant). I guess my confusion (as someone familiar with the flavor) is that on the one hand, I don't think scum!you would outright out yourself by claiming Discord as a flavor claim, but I'm not sure I understand him as a third-party in this role (although flavor does indicate we're at least through S3, so... maybe? Do we have a Fluttershy this game that can convert you or something... but wouldn't that be RMM/Bastard?)
As for claims so far...
I think IG doesn't claim something so similar yo someone else unless it's true, so I believe him.
Encourage: Ichimaru Gin
Pitt, vote for anyone with no votes now, let there be a vote count, then unvote. Then we'll talk about whether we let you dictate wagon structure.
Vote count 1.1:
Ghacob (1): Joseph2302
A Drowned Kernel (4): 2.71828....., ashersky, Ichimaru Gin, chairs
2.71828..... (1): Hydrad
chairs (1): ADK
Not voting (6): Awaclus, EFHW, Ghacob, faust, Pit, Seprix
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends at 8 May, 5 PM Forum Time.
As for claims so far...
I think IG doesn't claim something so similar yo someone else unless it's true, so I believe him.
Encourage: Ichimaru Gin
Pitt, vote for anyone with no votes now, let there be a vote count, then unvote. Then we'll talk about whether we let you dictate wagon structure.
Why do you want him to vote first? I don't see what that achieves.
I don't think faust is lying about his role. I have a similar role (which I also can't fully disclose) where I get a power if a certain amount of people post encourage: Ichimaru Gin in the thread. The third-party part of his claim is kind of strange though. This is a regular setup, so what faction is he part of then?
I don't doubt that "supporting" faust actually does something. I'm not sure if the something is as harmless for town as he describes, though.
And I guess there's some PR involved. I mean, you might have this target on your back now.
Where did ash say he wants votes?And I guess there's some PR involved. I mean, you might have this target on your back now.
It doesn't matter if i'm killed at night. The benefit of me hammering is worth it.
Because ash wants it: Vote: ashersky
I'll write some thoughts about faust and IG's claims later, since i'm on my phome right now.
Where did ash say he wants votes?And I guess there's some PR involved. I mean, you might have this target on your back now.
It doesn't matter if i'm killed at night. The benefit of me hammering is worth it.
Because ash wants it: Vote: ashersky
I'll write some thoughts about faust and IG's claims later, since i'm on my phome right now.
Ah okay. Vote: ash seems kind of reasonable then. You were also scum last time we played.Where did ash say he wants votes?And I guess there's some PR involved. I mean, you might have this target on your back now.
It doesn't matter if i'm killed at night. The benefit of me hammering is worth it.
Because ash wants it: Vote: ashersky
I'll write some thoughts about faust and IG's claims later, since i'm on my phome right now.
He said he wants Pit to vote for someone.
He said he wants Pit to vote for someone.Ah okay. Vote: ash seems kind of reasonable then. You were also scum last time we played.
Can anyone see a problem with compiling a list of character/flavor names?
Another important thing:
My PR doesn't make sense if there is a third party besides Harmony and Chaos -> faust being a third party doesn't make sense.
Another important thing:
My PR doesn't make sense if there is a third party besides Harmony and Chaos -> faust being a third party doesn't make sense.
Another important thing:
My PR doesn't make sense if there is a third party besides Harmony and Chaos -> faust being a third party doesn't make sense.
interesting. So either faust claimed 3rd party and pit as scum was afraid so he did this. Or faust tried to get by as a 3rd party PR and pit caught him.
I can't see the pit being scum a very smart option here. Him getting faust killed and then us killing him the next day doesn't seem like a worthwhile move at all.
Can't get to my pc for at least ~5 more hours but this i realized something extremely important:
The Day1 Start text says Chrysalis is in the game.
Chrysalis is the antagonist of the season 2 finale and feeds on the love of others to gain power. -> If Ichi is Chrysalis and we enourage him we're doomed.
Another important thing:
My PR doesn't make sense if there is a third party besides Harmony and Chaos -> faust being a third party doesn't make sense.
Nope. My PR has different effects depending on whether i hammer harmony or chaos and the exact wording (can't quote because rules...) implies that there is no other option.Another important thing:
My PR doesn't make sense if there is a third party besides Harmony and Chaos -> faust being a third party doesn't make sense.
Huh, can you expand? I mean, it's not like I can win on my own. Whatever happens, this game will still end with either Harmony or Chaos winning (or everyone dies, I guess). Does that migitate your confusion?
I think pit is town here.
Nope. My PR has different effects depending on whether i hammer harmony or chaos and the exact wording (can't quote because rules...) implies that there is no other option.Another important thing:
My PR doesn't make sense if there is a third party besides Harmony and Chaos -> faust being a third party doesn't make sense.
Huh, can you expand? I mean, it's not like I can win on my own. Whatever happens, this game will still end with either Harmony or Chaos winning (or everyone dies, I guess). Does that migitate your confusion?
I think pit is town here.
Nope. My PR has different effects depending on whether i hammer harmony or chaos and the exact wording (can't quote because rules...) implies that there is no other option.Another important thing:
My PR doesn't make sense if there is a third party besides Harmony and Chaos -> faust being a third party doesn't make sense.
Huh, can you expand? I mean, it's not like I can win on my own. Whatever happens, this game will still end with either Harmony or Chaos winning (or everyone dies, I guess). Does that migitate your confusion?
I think pit is town here.
Nope. My PR has different effects depending on whether i hammer harmony or chaos and the exact wording (can't quote because rules...) implies that there is no other option.Another important thing:
My PR doesn't make sense if there is a third party besides Harmony and Chaos -> faust being a third party doesn't make sense.
Huh, can you expand? I mean, it's not like I can win on my own. Whatever happens, this game will still end with either Harmony or Chaos winning (or everyone dies, I guess). Does that migitate your confusion?
I think pit is town here.
If Ironmonger reveals curse, nothing happens. Ironmonger does not refer to Curses, so obviously they must not exist.
unvote
Thought I was on to something there.
silver: Can you confirm that no mod mistake has been made?
If Ironmonger reveals Curse then Chewbacca is a Wookie and you must acquit!
Ok, if there is just missing information in my PM, that could mean that "no false information" and fausts claim are true...
In that case I really want to hammer faust just to see what happens...
Ok, if there is just missing information in my PM, that could mean that "no false information" and fausts claim are true...
In that case I really want to hammer faust just to see what happens...
I'm guessing nothing. Assuming pit is town, the role is probably something like "A good thing happens if you hammer scum, A bad thing happens if you hammer town", and nothing if you hammer neither. And obviously reverse the good bad if pit is scum.Ok, if there is just missing information in my PM, that could mean that "no false information" and fausts claim are true...
In that case I really want to hammer faust just to see what happens...
It would be easier to just ask silver what happens when you hammer a non-Harmony and non-Chaos-aligned player.
.... I'm actually inclined to ubvote for now.
Can't get to my pc for at least ~5 more hours but this i realized something extremely important:
The Day1 Start text says Chrysalis is in the game.
Chrysalis is the antagonist of the season 2 finale and feeds on the love of others to gain power. -> If Ichi is Chrysalis and we enourage him we're doomed.
That's actually wrong. Something bad happens if i hammer scum (considering that it means that i hammered scum it's still good for us) and something good happens if i hammer town (that's why i wanted to hammer on day1 -> day1 has the highest chance to hit town with the hammer, but i'm no longer sure about that)I'm guessing nothing. Assuming pit is town, the role is probably something like "A good thing happens if you hammer scum, A bad thing happens if you hammer town", and nothing if you hammer neither. And obviously reverse the good bad if pit is scum.Ok, if there is just missing information in my PM, that could mean that "no false information" and fausts claim are true...
In that case I really want to hammer faust just to see what happens...
It would be easier to just ask silver what happens when you hammer a non-Harmony and non-Chaos-aligned player.
I asked him in my QT, i'll let you know if he answers.Ok, if there is just missing information in my PM, that could mean that "no false information" and fausts claim are true...
In that case I really want to hammer faust just to see what happens...
It would be easier to just ask silver what happens when you hammer a non-Harmony and non-Chaos-aligned player.
That's actually wrong. Something bad happens if i hammer scum (considering that it means that i hammered scum it's still good for us) and something good happens if i hammer town (that's why i wanted to hammer on day1 -> day1 has the highest chance to hit town with the hammer, but i'm no longer sure about that)I'm guessing nothing. Assuming pit is town, the role is probably something like "A good thing happens if you hammer scum, A bad thing happens if you hammer town", and nothing if you hammer neither. And obviously reverse the good bad if pit is scum.Ok, if there is just missing information in my PM, that could mean that "no false information" and fausts claim are true...
In that case I really want to hammer faust just to see what happens...
It would be easier to just ask silver what happens when you hammer a non-Harmony and non-Chaos-aligned player.
I can't remember an episode that would make Rarity someone who needs encouragement more than other ponies, (It'd be nice if someone could confirm / deny this, since i'm not 100% sure), but could imagine silver being influenced by fanfictions etc.Can't get to my pc for at least ~5 more hours but this i realized something extremely important:
The Day1 Start text says Chrysalis is in the game.
Chrysalis is the antagonist of the season 2 finale and feeds on the love of others to gain power. -> If Ichi is Chrysalis and we enourage him we're doomed.
He says he's Rarity. Does that make sense encouragement-wise?
It's more like the team of the hammered gets a consolation, since i won't hammer someone who wouldn't be hammered otherwise.That's actually wrong. Something bad happens if i hammer scum (considering that it means that i hammered scum it's still good for us) and something good happens if i hammer town (that's why i wanted to hammer on day1 -> day1 has the highest chance to hit town with the hammer, but i'm no longer sure about that)I'm guessing nothing. Assuming pit is town, the role is probably something like "A good thing happens if you hammer scum, A bad thing happens if you hammer town", and nothing if you hammer neither. And obviously reverse the good bad if pit is scum.Ok, if there is just missing information in my PM, that could mean that "no false information" and fausts claim are true...
In that case I really want to hammer faust just to see what happens...
It would be easier to just ask silver what happens when you hammer a non-Harmony and non-Chaos-aligned player.
So your power is actually negative-utility for town, though only slightly.
i won't hammer someone who wouldn't be hammered otherwise.
What i meant was that i won't hammer someone, who wouldn't be hammered if i woudn't have my PR.i won't hammer someone who wouldn't be hammered otherwise.
Shouldn't you hammer someone at L-1 when you think they're scum and they've had the chance to claim, even if you're the only one willing to hammer them?
Just in case people don't see it since it's at the bottom of the last page(for me at least) . I misread my PM somehow and got the wrong word for how I get powered up. I only realized just now because my support count is 0 in my personal qt. It's actually support for me as well.This seems pretty weird, but not really like a scummy thing... I still think it's almost certain that whoever is Chrysalis has a power that works like IG's and faust's claimed powers and i'd rather have no PRs than scum + town PRs (trying to get "support" like that seems more risky for scum than for town, so the possible scum powers are propably stronger)
Faust claims he wins after meeting 4 objectives out of 7, and one of those 7 is surviving.
I think knowing the objectives would be helpful. Like, if there are 4 pro-town objectives, we can just meet them right away and lynch him. He gets his win and town is better off.
That's if he's telling the truth. And if he's telling the truth, he should have no problem with that plan.
Support: IG
Faust claims he wins after meeting 4 objectives out of 7, and one of those 7 is surviving.
I think knowing the objectives would be helpful. Like, if there are 4 pro-town objectives, we can just meet them right away and lynch him. He gets his win and town is better off.
That's if he's telling the truth. And if he's telling the truth, he should have no problem with that plan.
I must have missed that part of the flavor. I'll read it when I get home. It's an interesting mechanic for sure though with deciding who to support since scum might get buffed too.That's an interesting thougt... It would make sense considering the flavor...
I don't know how useful whatever power I'll get is though, but I think a strict "support no one" policy kind of sucks. it makes things kind of boring too. Maybe it was accounted for in the setup as well. what if there's a scum PR that is buffed/activated when no one gets supported?
@faust - why would town want to help you achieve your objectives?
Faust claims he wins after meeting 4 objectives out of 7, and one of those 7 is surviving.
I think knowing the objectives would be helpful. Like, if there are 4 pro-town objectives, we can just meet them right away and lynch him. He gets his win and town is better off.
That's if he's telling the truth. And if he's telling the truth, he should have no problem with that plan.
2. I need 6 people to support me. They don't have to be alive I don't think, I just need 6 different people (I don't count) to support me at some point.
If i get to hammer today, you can have all the remaining hammers (unless there are even more PRs who need to hammer someone).Faust claims he wins after meeting 4 objectives out of 7, and one of those 7 is surviving.
I think knowing the objectives would be helpful. Like, if there are 4 pro-town objectives, we can just meet them right away and lynch him. He gets his win and town is better off.
That's if he's telling the truth. And if he's telling the truth, he should have no problem with that plan.
Okay, here's the objectives:
1) Survive the game.
2) Get 8 players to support me.
3) Survive a day without a single vote (sadly, this is no longer possible today :/ I guess I should have full-claimed right away).
4) Survive the game longer than a certain town PR. This is of course an anti-town objective. I have the name of a town PR in the game, and I must oulive them. The bonus is I can confirm that PR is in the game should it come to claiming.
5) At the start of each day, I may choose a player. If that player gets lynched, I reach this objective. Not sure if I should divulge my choice today, might influence votes in a bad way.
6) Hammer a Chaos-aligned player.
7) This is a bit odd. I chose two players. If exactly one of them is Chaos-aligned, I win win Chaos. Otherwise, I win with Harmony.
So realistically, 2 can be achieved today, 3 can be achieved tomorrow. 5 I can do if I'm good. 6 sadly gets in the way of pit's power. 4 just might happen.
I'm okay with you lynching me once I've reached 3 conditions. Then it's basically 50/50 whether or not condition 7 will be fulfilled, and I guess I can still achieve 5 if I'm dead.
On second thoughts, I don't think it's a good idea to support IG or faust until one of them has flipped, because if one is telling the truth, the other is probably scum and vice versa.
On second thoughts, I don't think it's a good idea to support IG or faust until one of them has flipped, because if one is telling the truth, the other is probably scum and vice versa.
Hmm, why do you think that?
I agree. My MLP knowledge is limited, but it sounds like you're both trying to be the same character. Hence, one of you is probably lying i.e. scum.On second thoughts, I don't think it's a good idea to support IG or faust until one of them has flipped, because if one is telling the truth, the other is probably scum and vice versa.
Hmm, why do you think that?
It sounds like one of you is Chrysalis, but you can't both be Chrysalis.
What's the name of Pit? It's That Crisco Cretin isn't it?Don't know MLP enough to know, pit hasn't claimed a name yet. I need to start learning MLP fast.
What's the name of Pit? It's That Crisco Cretin isn't it?Don't know MLP enough to know, pit hasn't claimed a name yet. I need to start learning MLP fast.
What's the name of Pit? It's That Crisco Cretin isn't it?Don't know MLP enough to know, pit hasn't claimed a name yet. I need to start learning MLP fast.
We're in the same boat. I know Pinkie Pie has bashed someone's head in with a party rock and that Twilight Princess is a secret supporter of bad racist groups, but I don't know if they're considered villains.
That is a bit strange.2. I need 6 people to support me. They don't have to be alive I don't think, I just need 6 different people (I don't count) to support me at some point.
It's weird that our support numbers differ by 1.
Well, I'm not Chrysalis. I'm Discord, and you can know that, because obviously that's not the kind of name you'd get as a fake flavor claim.This is almost comical. I'm town. You're not. It was foolish of me to ever expect you to act like it I guess. Seriously, what the heck? Why are you just ignoring the fact that it's likely there are others with similar requirements for their powers as us? I mean, if there isn't, the only thing to do is vote: faust I guess. Your claim puts you at a disadvantage though. You seriously expect people to lynch me over you? It seems to me that having it framed as faust vs. Ichi is pretty bad for you.
So trusting you for now, I should probably vote: Ichi
What's the name of Pit? It's That Crisco Cretin isn't it?Don't know MLP enough to know, pit hasn't claimed a name yet. I need to start learning MLP fast.
We're in the same boat. I know Pinkie Pie has bashed someone's head in with a party rock and that Twilight Princess is a secret supporter of bad racist groups, but I don't know if they're considered villains.
...what?
I mean. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt before. But it seems your personal prejudices against me--combined with the self-interest from your supposed alignment--makes it impossible for you to play as pro-town here.
I mean. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt before. But it seems your personal prejudices against me--combined with the self-interest from your supposed alignment--makes it impossible for you to play as pro-town here.
Dude, I don't have personal prejudice against you. Your claim doesn't line up with my role. People say your claim makes sense for scum flavorwise. Those are good reasons to vote for anyone early D1.
I mean. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt before. But it seems your personal prejudices against me--combined with the self-interest from your supposed alignment--makes it impossible for you to play as pro-town here.
Dude, I don't have personal prejudice against you. Your claim doesn't line up with my role. People say your claim makes sense for scum flavorwise. Those are good reasons to vote for anyone early D1.
wait I might of missed it. what part of IG's claim doesn't line up? The part of having a different amount of support needed?
Hmm one way I can kinda make sense of that is the fact that in a way both teams want to help you? Maybe that warrants a extra vote?
Oh the lulz. You fullclaimed after me faust. Your amount of votes doesn't match up with mine, not vice versa.
Also I can admit that point I made is kind of a joke. Of course we're each going to view our own number of support as the standard to measure the other person against.Oh the lulz. You fullclaimed after me faust. Your amount of votes doesn't match up with mine, not vice versa.
That's ridiculous. The general rule of thumb is trust the player who claims second, and this applies here. What reason would I have to frame you?
Are we going to talk like this for the rest of the game then?
Yeah. Like how the mod only uses a single color for flavor text :P
I mean, what is this? Are you accusing me of lying about the number of people required to support me for my role?
PPE: I've never understood why that's the case--I honestly would appreciate hearing why. So...you're saying you waited to fullclaim until after me so you could make this argument?
I still think that Chrysalis is hiding. If the guess about the flavor is correct, it doesn't make sense to have Chrysalis + only one other player who are the only ones that require support I think.
EVIL POSSESSED TEXTCould you explain why?
I still like a Pit lynch.
Has anyone considered that Chrysalis is an NPC either?I don't have that much mafia experience, how does an NPC work in games like this?
What's the name of Pit? It's That Crisco Cretin isn't it?I have no idea what this means... If you're asking for my flavor name: I'm Luna
EVIL POSSESSED TEXTCould you explain why?
I still like a Pit lynch.
so apparently Princess Luna was the antagonist of the premiere episode of MLP:FIM, but became good again, and she becomes a joint-ruler with her sister. I love learning about MLP:FIM.If anyone wants to know more:
What kind of information do you want? What exactly my PR does when it activates?EVIL POSSESSED TEXTCould you explain why?
I still like a Pit lynch.
Mainly because I don't have information on you, but I have information on Faust that he provided and was very specific about.
Support: faust or Encourage: faust- whichever one is correct syntax. I trust faust more as the first person to claim supporter.
PPE:1
and stand by my earlier statements that I think Chrysalis hasn't claimed yet.
Seriously? The amount of stupidity going on right now is frustrating. faust is not town. faust cannot be trusted. If you want to use faust's own logic--just looking at roles that require/have some sort of support mechanic, I claimed to have a role that used the support mechanic second--which makes me more likely town.Ok, i can see that I've looked at things from a wrong perspective ("faust vs. Ichi" while not thinking about all the other possible situations). But there is also something I strongly disagree with:
I'm going to vote: pit actually.
His explanation for why he thinks I'm scum is just awful :(
It's rarely a black and white "everything is made up" "nothing is made up" situation. faust is more likely mixing truth with lies--I don't think anyone is positing he invented his entire role with the 7 requirements--that would be like crazy. Pit has worked very hard to frame the situation so that either faust or myself gets lynched. I actually believe faust's claim for the most part--and stand by my earlier statements that I think Chrysalis hasn't claimed yet.
unvote
I'm being far too jumpy. I think I'll just sit in a corner for a while and think about what I've done.
EVIL POSSESSED TEXTCould you explain why?
I still like a Pit lynch.
Mainly because I don't have information on you, but I have information on Faust that he provided and was very specific about.
Okay, if I have everything right, Ichi has a role where if we support him, something good happens for him, which we want to have happen if he's town. I guess support: Ichi, I'll default to believing someone that weird wasn't made up by scum.
Ok. You wanted me to respond to this. I mean, it's possible that faust is Chrysalis than (because I know I'm not). But what happens later when someone else claims an ability that requires support? What if they have a good (fake) reason for why they didn't claim?I still think that Chrysalis is hiding. If the guess about the flavor is correct, it doesn't make sense to have Chrysalis + only one other player who are the only ones that require support I think.
I don't. If you flip not-Chrysalis, and faust flips not-Chrysalis, whoever is the next person to claim a role that requires people's support is pretty much confirmed Chrysalis. Therefore, if Chrysalis is hiding, they're basically choosing to stay hiding forever and never activate their whatever it is that gets activated when they have enough support. That's why I think the real Chrysalis claims here, and hopes to get the other potential Chrysalises lynched first.
It's much more likely that yet another support-requiring town role is hiding. They probably will get the support, too, after one of you two has flipped scum.
Hey Ichi! I'll support you if you support me first.I'm tempted, since I am closer to being fully supported than you are. And supposedly, you receiving your full support just gets you a few steps closer to your own unique wincon.
faust have you already chosen the two players for condition seven?
I'll consider it. I'd be interested to hear what you think of pit right now though
Though it would probably help the game to stop talking about only three players.
Can't read yet, I was just trying to skim through the thread and
VOTE: ALL THE PEOPLE USING COLORS
I will actually read and comment later
VOTE: ALL THE PEOPLE USING COLORS
silverspawn is always scumVOTE: ALL THE PEOPLE USING COLORS
Finally someone sees that silver is clearly scum here!
Yes, had to do so at game start.
Yes, had to do so at game start.
I had a plan, but then I realized it would require you to play in a way that would ensure that you lose, so it probably won't happen. And maybe hinges on me incorrectly understanding certain mechanics.
But if your alignment is dependent on the choice you made at the beginning, then that resolves pit's hammering ambiguity- you count as scum or town based on what you picked. So if you divulge the names of the players you picked, we lynch you today and have pit hammer, he tells us what effect he got, that gives us quite a bit of information on those players' alignments.
All this is contingent on pit not lying, you not lying, and you be willing to lose for the sake of town. So, now that I write it out it's maybe a really crappy plan.
But if your alignment is dependent on the choice you made at the beginning, then that resolves pit's hammering ambiguity- you count as scum or town based on what you picked. So if you divulge the names of the players you picked, we lynch you today and have pit hammer, he tells us what effect he got, that gives us quite a bit of information on those players' alignments.
If Ironmonger reveals Curse then Chewbacca is a Wookie and you must acquit!
I was making a clever Dominion based analogy. I guess I can't drink 17 cups of coffee. Oh well.
Basically, what I was trying to say is that even though it it mentions two different groups, does not mean that there cannot be a third party.
But if your alignment is dependent on the choice you made at the beginning, then that resolves pit's hammering ambiguity- you count as scum or town based on what you picked. So if you divulge the names of the players you picked, we lynch you today and have pit hammer, he tells us what effect he got, that gives us quite a bit of information on those players' alignments.
But it's not my alignment, is it? I can still win when the faction I didn't end up playing with wins.
Oh, and no way I'm making my choices public. That would just be stupid.
Seriously? The amount of stupidity going on right now is frustrating.
I mean. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt before. But it seems your personal prejudices against me--combined with the self-interest from your supposed alignment--makes it impossible for you to play as pro-town here.
Anyway, I totally believe faust. He has absolutely zero upside as scum to claim survivor, and there is like no reason he would claim it as scum. I don't mind keeping him around as a survivor a couple days. See if he gets a couple of his wincons.
I definitely don't think we should agree not to vote for him on a certain day to help him though.
I, for one, could care less about Ichi's 'meta'. Everyone always gives him a hard time because he reacts like a feminist at a porn advertisement whenever anything goes his way.Nice simile bro. Do you mean when things don't go my way I'm assuming?
I, for one, could care less about Ichi's 'meta'. Everyone always gives him a hard time because he reacts like a feminist at a porn advertisement whenever anything goes his way.
Go ahead and support faust--it doesn't bother me. We'll at least get to see what happens then. It is annoying that you aren't supporting both of us--but have we even discussed that? How does it work if we both get completely supported today? Are supports exclusive? I should probably ask some of these questions in my qt.Seriously? The amount of stupidity going on right now is frustrating.
support: faust
Ok, that was probably an overreaction, but I just get really annoyed by Ichi's playstyle sometimes.I'd appreciate some elaboration on this. I started out as a very timid player iirc. Maybe that was partially because my first game I was scum. Over time I don't know...my playstyle has changed. I don't actively work to annoy people though and consider myself a pretty accepting person when it comes to criticism or suggestions.
I, for one, could care less about Ichi's 'meta'. Everyone always gives him a hard time because he reacts like a feminist at a porn advertisement whenever anything goes his way.
I got your Dominion analogy....this one could use some work.
But...but I love porn and meat as well. These are all wrong!
Maybe give it a rest.
I doubt I am able to support both of you at once?
I will try
support: Ichimaru Gin
Support: faust
“When I say win the game, that means destroy your opponents. It is time you make these little hooves of yours dirty. Think about it... it's them or you... and your friends.”
FWIW, I know nothing about the flavor, and haven't read the flavor (sorry)
This setup is closed, so no direct information will be revealed. However, I'll say that the complexity is comparable to WIFOM (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=10639.msg393126#msg393126) with three or four modifications, and that there's a mechanic used in this game which requires it to be closed. Also, Mafia will have Daychat.
Flavor in this game will be based on MLP:FiM. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Little_Pony:_Friendship_Is_Magic) Flavornames will be indicative of alignment; however mafia will be given fake claims. Knowledge of the Flavor is not required no play. Alignment in this game will be referenced as Harmony-Aligned or Chaos-Aligned.
Have fun playing!
I, for one, could care less about Ichi's 'meta'. Everyone always gives him a hard time because he reacts like a feminist at a porn advertisement whenever anything goes his way.
I doubt I am able to support both of you at once?
I will try
support: Ichimaru Gin
Support: faust
FWIW, I know nothing about the flavor, and haven't read the flavor (sorry)
Since Discord is described as a " psychotic killer with nearly omnipotent powers ", and faust didn't read the flavor, I think it is possible that he made the ultimate scumslip in telling us his flavor name. SK is super hard to win so it makes sense that silver would provide an alternate way of winning as well.
Sometimes you don't want to lynch an SK right away, because they also want to lynch scum, and will try to nk scum, too. Risky, though, since D1 and N1 are pretty much shots in the dark.
Thing is, anyone who is town knows this explicitly due to the wording of our wincon. If you think there might be a third alignment, you didn't get the town wincon.
vote: efhw
Tequila.
AMA
Tequila.
AMA
Really. I'm jamming to tunes, drinking lots, coz.
You realise this isn't a drunk mafia game?Tequila.
AMA
Really. I'm jamming to tunes, drinking lots, coz.
vote: Joseph. faust is aggrieved, ashersky likes to "catch" people, but Joseph just hopped on, no comments, just a vote.I agreed with what faust said.
I assume silverspawn deliberately omitted the third faction (assuming it exists) from pit's PM , since adding it would give away it's a 3-faction game.
To be fair, I'm town and didn't remember that the PM used that language until I went back and read it.
Also, why are we jumping on EFHW for "third faction" stuff and not getting on Joseph for the exact same thing?What's wrong with this? There was no public knowledge that a third faction definitely exists, and silverspawn might not have wanted people to realise it was a 3-faction game.I assume silverspawn deliberately omitted the third faction (assuming it exists) from pit's PM , since adding it would give away it's a 3-faction game.
Ok. e's support does count. I only need 2 more supports in order to get my power.
Also, why are we jumping on EFHW for "third faction" stuff and not getting on Joseph for the exact same thing?What's wrong with this? There was no public knowledge that a third faction definitely exists, and silverspawn might not have wanted people to realise it was a 3-faction game.I assume silverspawn deliberately omitted the third faction (assuming it exists) from pit's PM , since adding it would give away it's a 3-faction game.
Fair enough, so there definitely isn't a third faction? I was confused by that.Also, why are we jumping on EFHW for "third faction" stuff and not getting on Joseph for the exact same thing?What's wrong with this? There was no public knowledge that a third faction definitely exists, and silverspawn might not have wanted people to realise it was a 3-faction game.I assume silverspawn deliberately omitted the third faction (assuming it exists) from pit's PM , since adding it would give away it's a 3-faction game.
2.7's point, which is valid, is that you made the same assumption as EFHW: that a third faction could exist.
It can't, based not only on the setup post, but because of how the mod specifically worded the town wincon.
I think that EFHW chose to vote you after coming under this pressure ties you to her a bit more, too. Definitely a possible partner.
I don't know how yours is worded, but mine says that all chaos-aligned players have to be eliminated, which doesn't say anything about the existence of a third party...Also, why are we jumping on EFHW for "third faction" stuff and not getting on Joseph for the exact same thing?What's wrong with this? There was no public knowledge that a third faction definitely exists, and silverspawn might not have wanted people to realise it was a 3-faction game.I assume silverspawn deliberately omitted the third faction (assuming it exists) from pit's PM , since adding it would give away it's a 3-faction game.
2.7's point, which is valid, is that you made the same assumption as EFHW: that a third faction could exist.
It can't, based not only on the setup post, but because of how the mod specifically worded the town wincon.
Mine does too. I only assumed third faction because other people claimed to be part of a third faction.I don't know how yours is worded, but mine says that all chaos-aligned players have to be eliminated, which doesn't say anything about the existence of a third party...Also, why are we jumping on EFHW for "third faction" stuff and not getting on Joseph for the exact same thing?What's wrong with this? There was no public knowledge that a third faction definitely exists, and silverspawn might not have wanted people to realise it was a 3-faction game.I assume silverspawn deliberately omitted the third faction (assuming it exists) from pit's PM , since adding it would give away it's a 3-faction game.
2.7's point, which is valid, is that you made the same assumption as EFHW: that a third faction could exist.
It can't, based not only on the setup post, but because of how the mod specifically worded the town wincon.
Mine does too.Mine does too. I only assumed third faction because other people claimed to be part of a third faction.I don't know how yours is worded, but mine says that all chaos-aligned players have to be eliminated, which doesn't say anything about the existence of a third party...Also, why are we jumping on EFHW for "third faction" stuff and not getting on Joseph for the exact same thing?What's wrong with this? There was no public knowledge that a third faction definitely exists, and silverspawn might not have wanted people to realise it was a 3-faction game.I assume silverspawn deliberately omitted the third faction (assuming it exists) from pit's PM , since adding it would give away it's a 3-faction game.
2.7's point, which is valid, is that you made the same assumption as EFHW: that a third faction could exist.
It can't, based not only on the setup post, but because of how the mod specifically worded the town wincon.
Has silver modded before?
What is the scum wincon when there is an sk? Control town? So could they win without killing the sk?
“When I say win the game, that means destroy your opponents. It is time you make these little hooves of yours dirty. Think about it... it's them or you... and your friends.”
I didn't read a ton of the narrative leading up to this, but "its them or you and your friends" is totally different than "its me and my friends or you and your friends"
what I am saying: survivor totally fits with the flavor name.
Lets move the game in a different direction.
vote: chairs
Lets move the game in a different direction.
vote: chairs
Why chairs?
Lets move the game in a different direction.
vote: chairs
Why chairs?
So chairs being chairs?
(No, I'm not still bitter or anything.)
Pressure vote more than anything. He really hasn't done too much or been very involved.
Lets move the game in a different direction.
vote: chairs
Why chairs?
Pressure vote more than anything. He really hasn't done too much or been very involved.
All town players already knew this. Players arguing for the existence of a third faction, such as an SK, are scum or intentionally lying town.
All town players already knew this. Players arguing for the existence of a third faction, such as an SK, are scum or intentionally lying town.
Or people who (because they don't have nearly as much experience as a moderator and knowledge of setups and stuff) see "survivor" and think "third faction" regardless of their given PM.
Or me. I've never played with Survivor role before.All town players already knew this. Players arguing for the existence of a third faction, such as an SK, are scum or intentionally lying town.
Or people who (because they don't have nearly as much experience as a moderator and knowledge of setups and stuff) see "survivor" and think "third faction" regardless of their given PM.
Sure, newbies like Pitt could fit that.
chairs is usually pretty inactive, nothing particularly scummy about it.Lets move the game in a different direction.
vote: chairs
Why chairs?
Pressure vote more than anything. He really hasn't done too much or been very involved.
All town players already knew this. Players arguing for the existence of a third faction, such as an SK, are scum or intentionally lying town.
Or people who (because they don't have nearly as much experience as a moderator and knowledge of setups and stuff) see "survivor" and think "third faction" regardless of their given PM.
Lets move the game in a different direction.
vote: chairs
I mean, it sucks that scum didn't have access to the town wincon (and I know they didn't, because I didn't)
I mean, it sucks that scum didn't have access to the town wincon (and I know they didn't, because I didn't)
You're kidding, right?
vote: Faust
I mean, it sucks that scum didn't have access to the town wincon (and I know they didn't, because I didn't)
You're kidding, right?
vote: Faust
He just posted that though. He pretty much just admitted here he is scum
No, he's not, and that has been, like, the #1 most discussed thing this game. How did you miss that?
I mean, it sucks that scum didn't have access to the town wincon (and I know they didn't, because I didn't)
You're kidding, right?
vote: Faust
He just posted that though. He pretty much just admitted here he is scum
No, he's not, and that has been, like, the #1 most discussed thing this game. How did you miss that?
Lets move the game in a different direction.
vote: chairs
Why chairs?
Pressure vote more than anything. He really hasn't done too much or been very involved.
Fixed quote:
So chairs being chairs?
(No, I'm not still bitter or anything.)
Though condition seven means he's really more like a traitor who only has a certain chance of actually being scum.
Though condition seven means he's really more like a traitor who only has a certain chance of actually being scum.
It also makes it hard for him to have loyalty to town, though he would like to, b/c he knows who he picked, and as flips happen he will start to get an idea of which side he should support.
faust would you be opposed to telling us the two people you picked? It was before the game started, right? So you were choosing blind?
Though condition seven means he's really more like a traitor who only has a certain chance of actually being scum.
It also makes it hard for him to have loyalty to town, though he would like to, b/c he knows who he picked, and as flips happen he will start to get an idea of which side he should support.
faust would you be opposed to telling us the two people you picked? It was before the game started, right? So you were choosing blind?
Unfortunately, he already said he would not be open to this.
Wouldn't it be to scum's interests as well? They'll know immediately whether he wins with Chaos or Harmony whereas we need to see both flips to be sure. That could be two mislynches just to find out how faust's winds blow.
In fact, I think you're a smart enough player that you ought to have gotten there before I did given that I'm distracted by work. vote: EFHW
Possible benefits of knowing:- This is only if this would be the 4th of his objectives to be secured. If I understand correctly, he needs 4 of his 7 goals met to win, so if he doesn't meet exactly 3 others, this whole conversation is probably moot. On that note, support: faust so we can get one down.
1. If we eventually found out both were town (or both scum), then faust would become unambivalently allied with town.
2. Scum would not want them to both flip no matter what. We might be able to use that for scum-hunting based on how people vote/make cases.- I don't know. If I were scum, I think I'd be okay with seeing them both flip if they were both town. Obviously if they were both scum, or 1/1, I'd be more hesitant. I'll concede there's an argument here about how scum would react to this information.
3. It constrains their nk choices. We don't know if that is good or bad for us re: PR's, but in general fewer choices for scum is good for town.- Is this argument because of point 2? If so, I'll stand by "depends on how scum want to play it", but again, that's a thought I hadn't considered.
4. If we learn there is exactly one scum in the two, then we know to lynch/distrust faust immediately. If scum know faust is allied with town, they might kill him, saving an nk of a townie.- Alternately, we could get sufficient objectives secured for faust that he doesn't have to rely on winning with scum to get his 4th objective.
5. If there are town players in his choices, they can use knowing they are town to help them identify faust's alignment.- I don't think I understand.
Here's a thought problem for you - is there any benefit for a scum player chosen by faust to fakeclaim town, to make town and faust think he is aligned with town when actually he isn't? Being named by faust could put a scum player in a pretty pickle.I don't think a scum player would claim scum except if we were in a situation where faust needs to vote with scum to win (e.g. lylo/mylo) and needs to vote according to the scum player's wishes to secure that objective.
Though condition seven means he's really more like a traitor who only has a certain chance of actually being scum.
It also makes it hard for him to have loyalty to town, though he would like to, b/c he knows who he picked, and as flips happen he will start to get an idea of which side he should support.
faust would you be opposed to telling us the two people you picked? It was before the game started, right? So you were choosing blind?
Though condition seven means he's really more like a traitor who only has a certain chance of actually being scum.
It also makes it hard for him to have loyalty to town, though he would like to, b/c he knows who he picked, and as flips happen he will start to get an idea of which side he should support.
faust would you be opposed to telling us the two people you picked? It was before the game started, right? So you were choosing blind?
Yeah. Well, I kinda chose people that I thought were likely to flip early so that I know what's what.
If Faust claims his two, it is supremely manipulate by scum. Efhw listed some ways. I can think of others.I agree, faust should not claim. The between hammer and flip seems good idea.
Faust should claim each as they are lynched, I think. Like, after hammer but before flip.
vote: stop talking about faust and start scumhunting.
I don't really like the EFHW case, it's just as likely that she didn't read her PM that closely as a legitimate scumslip. I also kind of like vote: chairs, for jumping on a popular wagon and being chairs.
vote: stop talking about faust and start scumhunting.
I don't really like the EFHW case, it's just as likely that she didn't read her PM that closely as a legitimate scumslip. I also kind of like vote: chairs, for jumping on a popular wagon and being chairs.
Yeah, why are people trying to lynch ol' 4-letter? I don't see a reason.
I like Faust much better, he's so scummy he's practically sold his soul to the devil!
Actually, in my experience town chairs will hop on wagons.
vote: Awaclus
I am sure we will find him scummy by D3, might as well lynch him now
Actually, in my experience town chairs will hop on wagons.
vote: Awaclus
I am sure we will find him scummy by D3, might as well lynch him now
But every time you guys find me scummy, I'm actually town.
Actually, in my experience town chairs will hop on wagons.
vote: Awaclus
I am sure we will find him scummy by D3, might as well lynch him now
I still need one more support I think. Is faust fully supported now?
Actually, in my experience town chairs will hop on wagons.
vote: Awaclus
I am sure we will find him scummy by D3, might as well lynch him now
But every time you guys find me scummy, I'm actually town.
have you ever been scum?
vote: stop talking about faust and start scumhunting.
I don't really like the EFHW case, it's just as likely that she didn't read her PM that closely as a legitimate scumslip. I also kind of like vote: chairs, for jumping on a popular wagon and being chairs.
Yeah, why are people trying to lynch ol' 4-letter? I don't see a reason.
I like Faust much better, he's so scummy he's practically sold his soul to the devil!
...are you trying to go for the "so off the wall he can't actually be scum" thing?
I still need one more support I think. Is faust fully supported now?
faust you mentioned your supports weren't going up? Are they still at 0?
Also, I'm certain one of Ichi or faust is lying, I'm just not sure which one.
Also, I'm certain one of Ichi or faust is lying, I'm just not sure which one.
Why are you certain? And lying about what? About having that role or about our alignment?
I really want to lynch Joseph today.Can't believe it took someone so long to suggest this. But that's not a good idea, I'm town.
I really want to lynch Joseph today.Can't believe it took someone so long to suggest this. But that's not a good idea, I'm town.
Also, I'm certain one of Ichi or faust is lying, I'm just not sure which one.
Why are you certain? And lying about what? About having that role or about our alignment?
I think it's very odd that silverspawn is apparently counting Ichi's support votes for him, but not counting yours for you- makes it seem to be like one of you is lying about your role, and thus probably are scum.
I really want to lynch Joseph today.
Yeah, I probably should have mentioned it earlierTotally didn't see this post. I guess that make it seem less like Ichi vs faust (with one of them being scum).
I really believe your claim I think, and I can easily see scum jumping on any not!scum wagon they can in this instance. I don't think it has to be a me vs. you at all here; I never really did. Scum definitely has a vested interest in framing it that way though.
Yes, I'm always the easy lynch, and most of the time I'm not scum.I really want to lynch Joseph today.
http://youtu.be/XCKxN2b1KUg
I don't like it this time around.
Post counts:I did it just by counting, and got 24 for xxpittip.
IG 45
faust 44
seprix 43
Joseph 32
Awaclus 30
ADK 28
EFHW 28
Hydrad 28
e 25
ashersky 24
chairs 20
Ghacob 12
xxpittip ??? (I don't remember how to search without a goko username)
For what it's worth, I've been keeping up with the thread, but have found little to contribute with. Nobody has really addressed me with concerns or anything and none of my thoughts have been significant enough to voice to others.
Yeah. I'd second what faust said. I also agree with Ghacob though. He hasn't really gotten any suspicion or pressure and just blended in so far--yet it doesn't really feel intentional, it's just kind of how things have gone.I third what faust and IG said, posting is usually helpful, unless you're just saying idiotic things like I usually end up doing.
For what it's worth, I've been keeping up with the thread, but have found little to contribute with. Nobody has really addressed me with concerns or anything and none of my thoughts have been significant enough to voice to others.
I'm willing to give newbies a day one pass regardless.But I'm town. Let's hammer scum instead.
People complaining about being lynched makes me want to lynch them, though, so I could probably vote for joseph or awaclus.
I'm willing to give newbies a day one pass regardless.But I'm town. Let's hammer scum instead.
People complaining about being lynched makes me want to lynch them, though, so I could probably vote for joseph or awaclus.
Literally no idea.I'm willing to give newbies a day one pass regardless.But I'm town. Let's hammer scum instead.
People complaining about being lynched makes me want to lynch them, though, so I could probably vote for joseph or awaclus.
Like who?
Literally no idea.I'm willing to give newbies a day one pass regardless.But I'm town. Let's hammer scum instead.
People complaining about being lynched makes me want to lynch them, though, so I could probably vote for joseph or awaclus.
Like who?
For what it's worth, I've been keeping up with the thread, but have found little to contribute with. Nobody has really addressed me with concerns or anything and none of my thoughts have been significant enough to voice to others.
(now 8)gosh darnit. I knew I should have previewed before posting
since joseph really seems to love stats here's a little thing for y'all:
of the 7(now 8) times someone has used the phrase "I'm town", 3 of them have been from joseph
...plus some other sketchy behavior...
I'll buy it.
vote: joseph
((am I stating my opinions enough. is this what you want.))
since joseph really seems to love stats here's a little thing for y'all:
of the 7(now 8) times someone has used the phrase "I'm town", 3 of them have been from joseph
...plus some other sketchy behavior...
I'll buy it.
vote: joseph
((am I stating my opinions enough. is this what you want.))
since joseph really seems to love stats here's a little thing for y'all:
of the 7(now 8) times someone has used the phrase "I'm town", 3 of them have been from joseph
...plus some other sketchy behavior...
I'll buy it.
vote: joseph
((am I stating my opinions enough. is this what you want.))
I like this.
You post literally nothing, and then you tunnel Joseph, who is #1 in Times Magazine for easiest to lynch.
You post literally nothing, and then you tunnel Joseph, who is #1 in Times Magazine for easiest to lynch.
RMM23 - survived to the end (town)
M59 - lynched D2 (town)
M58 - lynched D2 (town)
M56 - lynched D2 (scum)
M55 - lynched D1 (scum)
M53 - survived to the end (town)
I am not going to look back any further. So Joseph has either survived to the end or been lynched by D2. I think "easiest to lynch" is a slight exaggeration.
Hydrad, Ichi, awaclus, EFHW, pit. Uh, pit claimed something townier earlier, I think. awaclus is also kind of scummy with his "I always get lynched and am never scum!" thingie. Null on EFHW and Hydrad, don't remember much there. Ichi I would also have to go back and look at.
faust is a special case, no one knows his alignment, not even him. I think it's fine to keep him alive, I trust that he'll help us find scum for now.
woo its a read list party!
town ghacob/IG/e/asher
null is chairs/Joseph/awaclus/EFHW
scummy is seprix/pit
Vote: Seprix
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends at 8 May, 5 PM Forum Time.
Actually faust do you get anything after we support you or is it only for a wincon?
Newbie passes for Pitt and Ghacob.
Newbie passes for Pitt and Ghacob.
For how long is pit going to get this?
Newbie passes for Pitt and Ghacob.
For how long is pit going to get this?
Isn't this his second game?
Newbie passes for Pitt and Ghacob.
For how long is pit going to get this?
Isn't this his second game?
No. I think his first game was the Fish Mafia and he has played in several games since then.
This is a complete list of my games, by the way. As you can see, I'm a really bad scum player.You post literally nothing, and then you tunnel Joseph, who is #1 in Times Magazine for easiest to lynch.
RMM23 - survived to the end (town)
M59 - lynched D2 (town)
M58 - lynched D2 (town)
M56 - lynched D2 (scum)
M55 - lynched D1 (scum)
M53 - survived to the end (town)
I am not going to look back any further. So Joseph has either survived to the end or been lynched by D2. I think "easiest to lynch" is a slight exaggeration.
I don't actually like a Pit lynch either, but that's not because he's new, that's just because he's not scummy this time.I think Pit is telling the truth about their role, and is probably town.
Agree newbie pass for Ghacob, and Pit as above.
I like the lynchpool of EFHW, Seprix, Joseph right now.
Newbie passes for Pitt and Ghacob.
I guess the case on me is I'm being unhelpful- whilst true, this doesn't make me scum.
woo its a read list party!
town ghacob/IG/e/asher
null is chairs/Joseph/awaclus/EFHW
scummy is seprix/pit
Vote: Seprix
That's because you're so obv!scum, it didn't need saying.woo its a read list party!
town ghacob/IG/e/asher
null is chairs/Joseph/awaclus/EFHW
scummy is seprix/pit
Vote: Seprix
You left me off entirely.
Really not got any clear ideas, maybe Hydrad for voting Seprix without explanation, although I think most people have been pretty null to me. Going to reread later, see if I get some better idea.I guess the case on me is I'm being unhelpful- whilst true, this doesn't make me scum.
What are your lynch candidates?
I need two more people to support me I think. Please?Are you still voting me?
I think Joseph was being tongue-in-cheek.Yes I was, I was joking about ADK being obv!scum.
I need two more people to support me I think. Please?Are you still voting me?
I feel that of Joseph and EFHW, if one's town the other is scum and vice versa, probably 'cause they're voting for each other and stuffWell I voted for EFHW the best part of 5 days ago, for reasons I can't remember, and probably weren't fully-serious. Just haven't got round to switching yet.
I feel that of Joseph and EFHW, if one's town the other is scum and vice versa, probably 'cause they're voting for each other and stuff
I feel that of Joseph and EFHW, if one's town the other is scum and vice versa, probably 'cause they're voting for each other and stuff
Also, I don't understand why so few people are considering an EFHW lynch. EFHW and ash are basically the only players we have real evidence on. Most of this game has been claim talk, so I don't have any strong scum reads. Everyone who doesn't have strong scum reads should default to voting EFHW, because she is more likely scum than any other player (and ash is basically conf!town).
Also, I don't understand why so few people are considering an EFHW lynch. EFHW and ash are basically the only players we have real evidence on. Most of this game has been claim talk, so I don't have any strong scum reads. Everyone who doesn't have strong scum reads should default to voting EFHW, because she is more likely scum than any other player (and ash is basically conf!town).
I don't think the evidence we have on EFHW says anything about her alignment.
What's the case on EFHW? Because she didn't know the town wincon? (Which was why I initially voted for her)Also, I don't understand why so few people are considering an EFHW lynch. EFHW and ash are basically the only players we have real evidence on. Most of this game has been claim talk, so I don't have any strong scum reads. Everyone who doesn't have strong scum reads should default to voting EFHW, because she is more likely scum than any other player (and ash is basically conf!town).
I don't think the evidence we have on EFHW says anything about her alignment.
I guess that does make her slightly more likely.Also, I don't understand why so few people are considering an EFHW lynch. EFHW and ash are basically the only players we have real evidence on. Most of this game has been claim talk, so I don't have any strong scum reads. Everyone who doesn't have strong scum reads should default to voting EFHW, because she is more likely scum than any other player (and ash is basically conf!town).
I don't think the evidence we have on EFHW says anything about her alignment.
For everyone, there are three options, which I randomly assign likelihoods to:
1) They are scum (25%)
2) They are town, and didn't carefully read their PM (60%)
3) They are town, and carefully read their PM (15%)
Now for EFHW, we know that 3 is false, so the conditional probability of her being scum increases to 25/85*100%= 29.4%.
Town wincon is to kill all bad people. Who doesn't know this?Well the town wincon expicitly said you had to kill all Chaos-aligned (i.e. all scum)- it said nothing about third parties. That's where the argument has come from.
Town wincon is to kill all bad people. Who doesn't know this?Well the town wincon expicitly said you had to kill all Chaos-aligned (i.e. all scum)- it said nothing about third parties. That's where the argument has come from.
Also, I don't understand why so few people are considering an EFHW lynch. EFHW and ash are basically the only players we have real evidence on. Most of this game has been claim talk, so I don't have any strong scum reads. Everyone who doesn't have strong scum reads should default to voting EFHW, because she is more likely scum than any other player (and ash is basically conf!town).
I don't think the evidence we have on EFHW says anything about her alignment.
For everyone, there are three options, which I randomly assign likelihoods to:
1) They are scum (25%)
2) They are town, and didn't carefully read their PM (60%)
3) They are town, and carefully read their PM (15%)
Now for EFHW, we know that 3 is false, so the conditional probability of her being scum increases to 25/85*100%= 29.4%.
Ya I can understand EFHW's point here. I could see myself easily making the same mistake.I'm pretty sure I said a similar thing, but EFHW got called scummy and I didn't. Makes not a lot of sense, Unvote: EFHW.
Ya I can understand EFHW's point here. I could see myself easily making the same mistake.I'm pretty sure I said a similar thing, but EFHW got called scummy and I didn't. Makes not a lot of sense, Unvote: EFHW.
Scum should have safe claims, so a scummy flavor name doesn't mean faust is scum — it means either that he's telling the truth and that just unfortunately happens to be his flavor name, or that he's lying and claiming a scummy flavor name on purpose to appear town-with-a-scummy-flavor-y.
Can anyone see a problem with compiling a list of character/flavor names?
Yes. If the flavor names are tied to PRs, scum gets to know who our PRs are, and scum should have safe claims so we don't get to know who scum are.
On second thoughts, I don't think it's a good idea to support IG or faust until one of them has flipped, because if one is telling the truth, the other is probably scum and vice versa.
Hmm, why do you think that?
It sounds like one of you is Chrysalis, but you can't both be Chrysalis.
Also, I don't understand why so few people are considering an EFHW lynch. EFHW and ash are basically the only players we have real evidence on. Most of this game has been claim talk, so I don't have any strong scum reads. Everyone who doesn't have strong scum reads should default to voting EFHW, because she is more likely scum than any other player (and ash is basically conf!town).
I don't think the evidence we have on EFHW says anything about her alignment.
Can't you put a vote down before you go?Sorry. Who is this directed to?
Town wincon is to kill all bad people. Who doesn't know this?Well the town wincon expicitly said you had to kill all Chaos-aligned (i.e. all scum)- it said nothing about third parties. That's where the argument has come from.
Simple. Third Parties are not Chaos aligned. They are not Town either. We don't need to kill them, they don't need to kill us unless it specifically states so in their objectives. There is room for 3rd parties in this game, they win alongside whoever wins as long as it fits what their win conditions are. I see no contradiction. Again, Ironmonger reveals Curse, nothing happens. Curses still exist.
Can't you put a vote down before you go?
Knowing all this (and we all know it intrinsically), accepting the existence of a third faction in this game as possible is tantamount to admitting you did not receive the town's win condition.I agree with this completely. Though I wonder whether she is scum, or simply didn't read her PM very carefully. I haven't played too many games with EFHW though...so is it likely she would have paid close attention to her PM?
Knowing all this (and we all know it intrinsically), accepting the existence of a third faction in this game as possible is tantamount to admitting you did not receive the town's win condition.I agree with this completely. Though I wonder whether she is scum, or simply didn't read her PM very carefully. I haven't played too many games with EFHW though...so is it likely she would have paid close attention to her PM?
Yes I understand- I understood before, but wasn't expressing it well in words here.Town wincon is to kill all bad people. Who doesn't know this?Well the town wincon expicitly said you had to kill all Chaos-aligned (i.e. all scum)- it said nothing about third parties. That's where the argument has come from.
Simple. Third Parties are not Chaos aligned. They are not Town either. We don't need to kill them, they don't need to kill us unless it specifically states so in their objectives. There is room for 3rd parties in this game, they win alongside whoever wins as long as it fits what their win conditions are. I see no contradiction. Again, Ironmonger reveals Curse, nothing happens. Curses still exist.
You are both slightly incorrect and trying to answer an argument that isn't being made. EFHW's statements earlier in the game clearly showed that she felt it was possible for this game to have a player who's alignment was XXXXXXX-aligned, instead of Harmony-aligned or Chaos-aligned. Anyone who received the town's wincon knew that this was an impossibility, given assumptions we have to make (i.e., because this is a normal game).
I've already pointed out that a player could exist with no alignment. That role exists generally in RMM, but at f.ds also in normal games, and is called a "survivor." They have no alignment because they win when any faction meets its win condition before they die. A survivor cannot win unless a faction wins.
Compare that to a serial killer, or a cult. They get a win condition of their own. They are, by definition, a faction.
Imagine a game with a Town, a Mafia team, a Werewolf team (or SK), and a Survivor.
--Town's win condition would read "you win when all threats to town are eliminated."
--Mafia's win condition would read "you win when mafia control the town, or nothing can stop that from happening."
--WW's win condition would read "you win when WW control the town, or nothing can stop that from happening."
--Survivor's win condition would read "you win when any other faction meets its win condition and you are still alive."
Now, imagine the same game. Town/Mafia/WW/Survivor. If town's win condition said "you when when all mafia are eliminated," you've broken the game. Lynch all the mafia and none of the WW and what happens? Town wins but the WWs are still running around, eating everyone?
So, when town's win condition says "you win when all mafia are eliminated," that's the mod telling you that the mafia are the only other faction (i.e., team that can beat you) out there. To put it yet another way: if there are multiple threats to town, they must all be defeated for town to win. If your win condition doesn't tell you about more than one threat, there's only one threat.
Knowing all this (and we all know it intrinsically), accepting the existence of a third faction in this game as possible is tantamount to admitting you did not receive the town's win condition.
Do you understand?
I agree with the second but of this in particular- probably either EFHW is scum or VT, since someone with a complicated town role would probably have checked their PM more carefully.Knowing all this (and we all know it intrinsically), accepting the existence of a third faction in this game as possible is tantamount to admitting you did not receive the town's win condition.I agree with this completely. Though I wonder whether she is scum, or simply didn't read her PM very carefully. I haven't played too many games with EFHW though...so is it likely she would have paid close attention to her PM?
I'd think she usually pays attention... though if you get a VT PM, I can imagine not reading it to the end. At the very least, EFHW has been in games with both SK and Survivor, so she knows how these roles work.
I think it's pretty likely EFHW is a VT regardless of how carefully she read her PM. This is a regular game and a lot of people have claimed PRs already.That's also true.
Town wincon is to kill all bad people. Who doesn't know this?Well the town wincon expicitly said you had to kill all Chaos-aligned (i.e. all scum)- it said nothing about third parties. That's where the argument has come from.
Simple. Third Parties are not Chaos aligned. They are not Town either. We don't need to kill them, they don't need to kill us unless it specifically states so in their objectives. There is room for 3rd parties in this game, they win alongside whoever wins as long as it fits what their win conditions are. I see no contradiction. Again, Ironmonger reveals Curse, nothing happens. Curses still exist.
You are both slightly incorrect and trying to answer an argument that isn't being made. EFHW's statements earlier in the game clearly showed that she felt it was possible for this game to have a player who's alignment was XXXXXXX-aligned, instead of Harmony-aligned or Chaos-aligned. Anyone who received the town's wincon knew that this was an impossibility, given assumptions we have to make (i.e., because this is a normal game).
I've already pointed out that a player could exist with no alignment. That role exists generally in RMM, but at f.ds also in normal games, and is called a "survivor." They have no alignment because they win when any faction meets its win condition before they die. A survivor cannot win unless a faction wins.
Compare that to a serial killer, or a cult. They get a win condition of their own. They are, by definition, a faction.
Imagine a game with a Town, a Mafia team, a Werewolf team (or SK), and a Survivor.
--Town's win condition would read "you win when all threats to town are eliminated."
--Mafia's win condition would read "you win when mafia control the town, or nothing can stop that from happening."
--WW's win condition would read "you win when WW control the town, or nothing can stop that from happening."
--Survivor's win condition would read "you win when any other faction meets its win condition and you are still alive."
Now, imagine the same game. Town/Mafia/WW/Survivor. If town's win condition said "you when when all mafia are eliminated," you've broken the game. Lynch all the mafia and none of the WW and what happens? Town wins but the WWs are still running around, eating everyone?
So, when town's win condition says "you win when all mafia are eliminated," that's the mod telling you that the mafia are the only other faction (i.e., team that can beat you) out there. To put it yet another way: if there are multiple threats to town, they must all be defeated for town to win. If your win condition doesn't tell you about more than one threat, there's only one threat.
Knowing all this (and we all know it intrinsically), accepting the existence of a third faction in this game as possible is tantamount to admitting you did not receive the town's win condition.
Do you understand?
Can't you put a vote down before you go?
2.7 voted for Awaclus, if that was who you were talking to.
What do you think scum are saying in their daychat right now? We don't usually have this mechanic.
I think Hydrad's an okay lynch, I'd prefer it to an EFHW lynch, since I think she's probably VT. If we're wrong, it's likely we'll just hit another VT (as lots of PRs are already claimed). Vote: Hydrad.What do you think scum are saying in their daychat right now? We don't usually have this mechanic.
Probably having a good time, laughing at our posts.
7 hours to deadline. Come on guys, a Hydrad Lynch is a good lynch.
I think Hydrad's an okay lynch, I'd prefer it to an EFHW lynch, since I think she's probably VT. If we're wrong, it's likely we'll just hit another VT (as lots of PRs are already claimed). Vote: Hydrad.What do you think scum are saying in their daychat right now? We don't usually have this mechanic.
Probably having a good time, laughing at our posts.
7 hours to deadline. Come on guys, a Hydrad Lynch is a good lynch.
Yh, nothing Hydrad has done is super-towny, he's voted for people without explanation, and generally not given town any information or help.
Well I think you're VT= probably town. Given the number of claimed PR roles, the chance of Hydrad also being PR is low, and I think it's more likely he's scum.I think Hydrad's an okay lynch, I'd prefer it to an EFHW lynch, since I think she's probably VT. If we're wrong, it's likely we'll just hit another VT (as lots of PRs are already claimed). Vote: Hydrad.What do you think scum are saying in their daychat right now? We don't usually have this mechanic.
Probably having a good time, laughing at our posts.
7 hours to deadline. Come on guys, a Hydrad Lynch is a good lynch.
If you think I'm VT as opposed to a PR (though really no townie should be speculating aloud about that), that makes me a better lynch. Scum would want to lynch a PR, town would hope that a mislynch at least only kills a VT. Or maybe you mean that you like a Hydrad lynch better b/c you think I am town?
True, I could have summarised it as "I agree"Yh, nothing Hydrad has done is super-towny, he's voted for people without explanation, and generally not given town any information or help.
Lol, you're just repeating what everyone else is saying. EFHW just said that above you.
Can't you put a vote down before you go?
2.7 voted for Awaclus, if that was who you were talking to.
I didn't take that seriously - he said he was voting for him b/c he has a scummy-sounding name.
Pits ability is apparently good for us if he hammers town, bad if he hammers scum
Pits ability is apparently good for us if he hammers town, bad if he hammers scumI guess if possible, pit should be allowed to hammer then.
I don't know about that. I'm not particularly inclined to trust pit at this point. His power sounds basically like a balancing effect that reduces the advantage either side gets from lynching the other...which doesn't sound especially pro-town to me.On the other hand, there's presumably a higher chance we'll hit town not scum, so it'll give us a benefit? Unless pit is plain lying of course.
Yeah. It just seems weird, because the goal is to lynch scum. His power really only helps us if we are mistaken (which granted, does happen a fair amount). But is it something we want to bet on? Like:
"Oh yeah, we're probably wrong and are lynching town, so let Pit hammer so it doesn't hurt as much" I don't really like the way that sounds. And then if we do lynch scum and he hammers, what then? Has he given us any specifics as to what will happen in each scenario?
I mean, it sucks that scum didn't have access to the town wincon (and I know they didn't, because I didn't)
You're kidding, right?
vote: Faust
I don't actually like a Pit lynch either, but that's not because he's new, that's just because he's not scummy this time.
Yeah. But without details, we have no idea of knowing what "consolation" each side would get.Yeah. It just seems weird, because the goal is to lynch scum. His power really only helps us if we are mistaken (which granted, does happen a fair amount). But is it something we want to bet on? Like:
"Oh yeah, we're probably wrong and are lynching town, so let Pit hammer so it doesn't hurt as much" I don't really like the way that sounds. And then if we do lynch scum and he hammers, what then? Has he given us any specifics as to what will happen in each scenario?
Well, normally hitting scum early or not hitting scum early makes a huge difference and it's somewhat random because we don't have a lot of information before the first scum flip. Pit's ability just makes it less swingy, since it benefits whichever faction who happened to get worse "luck" with an early lynch.
I'm apparently bad at reading sarcasm over the internet. Who here is actually serious about their votes?Well, we're off to a strong start.
I agree that flavor name claiming is bad. The case on ADK is about as strong as any D1 case I've seen. vote: ADK.
I mean, the "case" against me is that I made the same statement that you made. So really, you should be voting for yourself.
I mean, usually when I self-vote I'm just being petulant. It's not like ashersky where an ashersky self-vote is a Town tell :P
If I'm going to be honest, though, I just wanted to see if anybody would shove on it for L-1 so we'd have data for D2 and someone to eyeball D1. Nobody did, so I'll just have to go back to gut voting, and my gut says vote: e I don't like interest rates.
The fact that you jumped off my wagon for the sake of joke vote doesn't make me feel any better about you.So I'm a bit confused, should I jump on the wagon or vote for who I think is actually an enemy person?
Always the second one.Okay, so here's the deal: I have a third-party role.
Who is your character?
Yeah, this.
Like what I'm seeing from e. And ghacob. And Seprix. All likely town.
Joseph is scummish but I'm not quite sure I buy it yet. chairs is scummish. ash is an IC.
Who else is in this game?
Hydrad, Ichi, awaclus, EFHW, pit. Uh, pit claimed something townier earlier, I think. awaclus is also kind of scummy with his "I always get lynched and am never scum!" thingie. Null on EFHW and Hydrad, don't remember much there. Ichi I would also have to go back and look at.
faust is a special case, no one knows his alignment, not even him. I think it's fine to keep him alive, I trust that he'll help us find scum for now.
Well, normally hitting scum early or not hitting scum early makes a huge difference and it's somewhat random because we don't have a lot of information before the first scum flip.I think this only holds true one way. Hitting scum early is amazing, and often seals scum's defeat. Contrawise, lynching town early is not preferred, but does not especially cripple or harm town unless the lynchee is a strong PR or something--which should really not happen in the first place.
Am I correctly seeing forum time as 4:32 or is that just my time?
For what it's worth, I've been keeping up with the thread, but have found little to contribute with. Nobody has really addressed me with concerns or anything and none of my thoughts have been significant enough to voice to others.
Ya I can understand EFHW's point here. I could see myself easily making the same mistake.
Hydrad, care to share your reasons for the change? Especially after this?Ya I can understand EFHW's point here. I could see myself easily making the same mistake.
I'm here. If I vote EFHW, is that the hammer?
I agree. Intent to hammer in about 2 mins.Hydrad, care to share your reasons for the change? Especially after this?Ya I can understand EFHW's point here. I could see myself easily making the same mistake.
mainly because we are 8 minutes from deadline and a lynch is better then no lynch.
mainly because we are 8 minutes from deadline and a lynch is better then no lynch.Apparently there's no time for thinking now, just need to follow the wagon, unless Pit appears in the next few minutes
I agree. Intent to hammer in about 2 mins.
(I'll do some analysis of all this in a bit, just want to get a few things out there)So 10 people in the game, and 8 of them have voted for exactly 1 of the dead people.
People who have voted for e for any reason this game:
Hydrad
Seprix
chairs
Joseph
me
People who have voted for ADK for any reason this game:e
ashersky
IG
chairs
Interesting.
So, who did e target? Here's his last post (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=12764.msg489749#msg489749) so you can draw your own conclusions, but I think it was probably Joseph — a weak visitor probably wants to target someone who "could very well be town", and Joseph is the only one he specifically mentions so that could be breadcrumbing. Perhaps Seprix too, but if he thought Seprix was scum, targeting him seems a little strange to me.
(I'll do some analysis of all this in a bit, just want to get a few things out there)
People who have voted for e for any reason this game:
Hydrad
Seprix
chairs
Joseph
me
People who have voted for ADK for any reason this game:e
ashersky
IG
chairs
Do we actually know what a "Weak Visitor" does? I guess not, unless I'm missing something.Interesting.
So, who did e target? Here's his last post (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=12764.msg489749#msg489749) so you can draw your own conclusions, but I think it was probably Joseph — a weak visitor probably wants to target someone who "could very well be town", and Joseph is the only one he specifically mentions so that could be breadcrumbing. Perhaps Seprix too, but if he thought Seprix was scum, targeting him seems a little strange to me.
I definitely think 2.7 would breadcrumb to ensure if he died we'd know why. Awaclus is right that the Joseph line is the only breadcrumbish thing there.
Do we actually know what a "Weak Visitor" does? I guess not, unless I'm missing something.Interesting.
So, who did e target? Here's his last post (http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=12764.msg489749#msg489749) so you can draw your own conclusions, but I think it was probably Joseph — a weak visitor probably wants to target someone who "could very well be town", and Joseph is the only one he specifically mentions so that could be breadcrumbing. Perhaps Seprix too, but if he thought Seprix was scum, targeting him seems a little strange to me.
I definitely think 2.7 would breadcrumb to ensure if he died we'd know why. Awaclus is right that the Joseph line is the only breadcrumbish thing there.
e must have read Joseph or Awaclus. I think we need to attack Awaclus right now. He has stated he thinks I am town, Joseph is town, he must have tried to read Awaclus.
e must have read Joseph or Awaclus. I think we need to attack Awaclus right now. He has stated he thinks I am town, Joseph is town, he must have tried to read Awaclus.
I'm not fully following this.
So you think its Joseph or Awaclus. Why those two?
Then when you use the word "He" who are you referring to there?
e must have read Joseph or Awaclus. I think we need to attack Awaclus right now. He has stated he thinks I am town, Joseph is town, he must have tried to read Awaclus.
I'm not fully following this.
So you think its Joseph or Awaclus. Why those two?
Then when you use the word "He" who are you referring to there?
e.
e must have read Joseph or Awaclus. I think we need to attack Awaclus right now. He has stated he thinks I am town, Joseph is town, he must have tried to read Awaclus.
I'm not fully following this.
So you think its Joseph or Awaclus. Why those two?
Then when you use the word "He" who are you referring to there?
e.
To reiterate further, e's last post was some reads, where he talked about me, Joseph, Pit, Awaclus..
I did forget about Pit. But e had no proof about anything, so I think an Awaclus visit is most likely. But e must have known he had a shot at dying. He did vote for Awaclus, and I think he left that there in case he did die.
Hey ashersky, (or really anyone with a lot of experience with forum mafia)
How smart does scum tend to be here at f.ds?
Will they often kill someone that suspects a lot of townees and thinks scum are town in order to through town off their lead the next day?
Will they often avoid voting together in order to avoid arousing suspicion?
What's the meta level around these parts?
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e must have read Joseph or Awaclus. I think we need to attack Awaclus right now. He has stated he thinks I am town, Joseph is town, he must have tried to read Awaclus.
e must have read Joseph or Awaclus. I think we need to attack Awaclus right now. He has stated he thinks I am town, Joseph is town, he must have tried to read Awaclus.
I don't think it's a good idea to target a scum read if you're a weak visitor. It's much more useful to target people who you think are town, because if they are town, you stay alive.
That seems less likely though, as it requires a vig in the game. No-one has considered that e might have tried to visit town, and accidentally hit scum by mistake, this is possible too.e must have read Joseph or Awaclus. I think we need to attack Awaclus right now. He has stated he thinks I am town, Joseph is town, he must have tried to read Awaclus.
I don't think it's a good idea to target a scum read if you're a weak visitor. It's much more useful to target people who you think are town, because if they are town, you stay alive.
It can go both ways. I will consider the possibility that e targeted a town read and got shafted.
That seems less likely though, as it requires a vig in the game. No-one has considered that e might have tried to visit town, and accidentally hit scum by mistake, this is possible too.e must have read Joseph or Awaclus. I think we need to attack Awaclus right now. He has stated he thinks I am town, Joseph is town, he must have tried to read Awaclus.
I don't think it's a good idea to target a scum read if you're a weak visitor. It's much more useful to target people who you think are town, because if they are town, you stay alive.
It can go both ways. I will consider the possibility that e targeted a town read and got shafted.
It's too late now but look at it this way:Yeah. But without details, we have no idea of knowing what "consolation" each side would get.Yeah. It just seems weird, because the goal is to lynch scum. His power really only helps us if we are mistaken (which granted, does happen a fair amount). But is it something we want to bet on? Like:
"Oh yeah, we're probably wrong and are lynching town, so let Pit hammer so it doesn't hurt as much" I don't really like the way that sounds. And then if we do lynch scum and he hammers, what then? Has he given us any specifics as to what will happen in each scenario?
Well, normally hitting scum early or not hitting scum early makes a huge difference and it's somewhat random because we don't have a lot of information before the first scum flip. Pit's ability just makes it less swingy, since it benefits whichever faction who happened to get worse "luck" with an early lynch.
Also, I'm not convinced things being less swingy is a good thing either. Lynching town D1 is par for the course and doesn't really hurt us that much--I don't think we need a consolation for that. Lynching scum D1 puts us in a strong position and is very good--having that mitigated in some way sucks.
Sure. I'll claim. My PR actually kind of sucks; I was actually trying to draw the NK last night...but that didn't end up happening.
I'm a Babysitter. Each night, I get to pick one person and they can't die if I'm babysitting them. What sucks though, is if I get killed, then we both die. I didn't use it last night because I thought it was too risky.
Really? How does this keep me from being lynched? My PR isn't terribly useful. Do you mean like this is an excuse for not getting nightkilled?
Ah. So you mean these types of powers in general seem kind of weird?
Did e drop any hints to you as to who he might target? Did he say anything about maybe having a PR?
Did e drop any hints to you as to who he might target? Did he say anything about maybe having a PR?
No I looked back through the QT and he even posted right before the thread unlocked but I don't see any hints anywhere.
Sure. I'll claim. My PR actually kind of sucks; I was actually trying to draw the NK last night...but that didn't end up happening.
I'm a Babysitter. Each night, I get to pick one person and they can't die if I'm babysitting them. What sucks though, is if I get killed, then we both die. I didn't use it last night because I thought it was too risky.
So has discussion on e's demise and probable target dried up yet?
So has discussion on e's demise and probable target dried up yet?
No? I think it's most likely he targeted a town read. I think others agree with this.
Its too easy for scum to stay voting for a popular wagon. Especially when you are the next currently viable target. I think Joseph could very well be town.
This is where I stand right now
Not lynching: Ashersky, Ghacob, faust, Ichi
Not inclined to lynch: ADK, Joseph, Hydrad, EFHW, chairs
Eh?: Pit, Seprix, Awaclus,
On reflection, Vote: pit seems good to me for now. The power indicates possible scum, and it seems risky for town to use that power now.
As for IG -- I don't know that 2.7 would visit him. I do think 2.7 had a town read on IG.
Another interesting question is, why is ashersky still alive? He's basically an IC and a good player as well, so either 1) scum had a super good reason for wanting ADK dead instead, which I don't really see here, or 2) scum suspected that there's a doctor protecting ashersky. Well, it's potentially worth noting that scum!Hydrad does kill people with good reads (http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/pQYuFahkYPs) and ADK had a scum read on Hydrad, but I think if that's the case, then Hydrad probably isn't the only scum player that ADK predicted correctly.
If scum suspected that there's a doctor, that most likely means they suspected that Ichi might get a doctor power from his support thing, because there are so many PRs in this game already and it's a normal game, so there being another PR who has a doctor power is pretty unlikely. And if that's what happened, it would mean that Ichi is town.
In that light, I like vote: Joseph more than Ichi.
Eh, but if scum suspected that Ichi is a Doc, why not kill him? That line of thought doesn't make a lot of sense.
Vote Count 2.1
Ichimaru Gin (1): faust
Pit (1): Joseph2302
Not Voting (8): Ichimaru Gin, Hydrad, Awaclus, Seprix, chairs, Ghacob, Pit, ashersky
With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.
And please don't give me that me tunneling you crap again.I must have missed your vote and this while catching up. Yeah, fuck that. I'm so tired of this.
1) Survive the game.
2) Get 8 players to support me.
3) Survive a day without a single vote (sadly, this is no longer possible today :/ I guess I should have full-claimed right away).
4) Survive the game longer than a certain town PR. This is of course an anti-town objective. I have the name of a town PR in the game, and I must oulive them. The bonus is I can confirm that PR is in the game should it come to claiming.
5) At the start of each day, I may choose a player. If that player gets lynched, I reach this objective. Not sure if I should divulge my choice today, might influence votes in a bad way.
6) Hammer a Chaos-aligned player.
7) This is a bit odd. I chose two players. If exactly one of them is Chaos-aligned, I win win Chaos. Otherwise, I win with Harmony.
You voted me at the beginning for being newThat wasn't because you were new, this just happened to be your first game. I just always vote the person who I have never played with before.
I think you said some redundant statement like "I'm taking a big risk here guys so make sure to support me!".I don't recall saying anything like that. The sentiment may have been there--but it's the truth! I don't see how that's redundant. People weren't supporting me and needed to be spurred to action.
Yes many people do this, pretty sure I did too (I usually do). It's an f.ds in-joke.You voted me at the beginning for being newThat wasn't because you were new, this just happened to be your first game. I just always vote the person who I have never played with before.
Awaclus has definitely been tunneling Joseph all game. Not sure what that means.
So I'm leaning on the scum side for Joseph, I guess. He's definitely not been helpful, he has a LOT of joke posts, he had a bad case on D1, and his flipflop on Pit is a bit odd. And there's the possible breadcrumb.So, my defence to this:
I think Joseph could very well be town.
Here's the breadcrumb:Well then he was correct.I think Joseph could very well be town.
So I'm leaning on the scum side for Joseph, I guess. He's definitely not been helpful, he has a LOT of joke posts, he had a bad case on D1, and his flipflop on Pit is a bit odd. And there's the possible breadcrumb.So, my defence to this:
Helpful- I admit I haven't been helpful, but I haven't intentionally been unhelpful. There hasn't been a lot going on in general, and I've literally had nothing to go on all game.
Joke posts- I've made a few, but this is because I haven't seen much serious to actually go on.
Bad case D1- what was so bad about it? I implied from interactions that EFHW was VT, and only hammered because hammer was better than no hammer.
Pit- my view on this was that using the power D1 was probably fine, since it's quite likely we'd hit town, and so it would help us. D2 , I think if we hit town, then we're in a super-bad place anyway, so a small benefit won't help much, and if we hit scum then it's bad for town. Therefore pit's power isn't helpful. There was an explanation right near end of D1 where someone said pit could be scum, because the power isn't very pro-town, and I agree, but at the time focused on lynching instead.
Breadcrumb- is there really a breadcrumb on me? I just don't really see it.
Here's the breadcrumb:Well then he was correct.I think Joseph could very well be town.
At the moment, faust has 1 out of 4 out of 7 objectives complete(support). Assuming he survives and lasts a day without a single vote, which it's looking like today so far, he'll have 3/4. Now his fourth could come from winning with town,orit could come from cooperating with scum and forcing one of his other anti-town objectives.
With that in mind I feel like we should at the very least vote faust at least once a day until town is near victory, in an attempt to force his cooperation.
Here's the breadcrumb:I think Joseph could very well be town.
Does this mean you think I'm town? Because you're usually good at reading me.Here's the breadcrumb:I think Joseph could very well be town.
Man, this is not a breadcrumb at all.
I still prefer Ichi to Joseph, as I think Ichi is much more likely the player that e targetted. Now of course Joseph can be scum anyway, but I believe the signs that Ichi is scum are much stronger.
I still prefer Ichi to Joseph, as I think Ichi is much more likely the player that e targetted. Now of course Joseph can be scum anyway, but I believe the signs that Ichi is scum are much stronger.
You need to convince me on IG.
Does this mean you think I'm town? Because you're usually good at reading me.Here's the breadcrumb:I think Joseph could very well be town.
Man, this is not a breadcrumb at all.
Ahahahahaha. Time to claim a few things.I still prefer Ichi to Joseph, as I think Ichi is much more likely the player that e targetted. Now of course Joseph can be scum anyway, but I believe the signs that Ichi is scum are much stronger.
You need to convince me on IG.
- his claim is very convenient.
- he publicly got a power yesterday by doing a risky play. If I had an investigative power, I'd make sure to check if he really is town.
- lastly, I don't like the Joseph wagon, which just seems default with very weak reasoning, while the (imo) much better case on Ichi gets ignored.
You know what? Let me tell you what's what.You wanna talk about convenient? Look at faust's claim here. He waits to claim until there's someone who has already flipped town--and then he picks Ashersky--who is a near consenus townread as his second one. What evidence is there to support this claim? How useful is it for third-party-faust to look like he's somewhat beholden to town now?
The two players I chose at the beginning of the game are A Drowned Kernel and ashersky.
ADK flipped town. ashersky was the first to point out the issue with the town wincon, so he's pretty certainly town. Which means I reach one of my objectives if I win with town. Yay me! Yay town!
There's also something else going on, but I'll keep that hidden for now.
Look, I understand your reasoning here, but I don't like to be forced into cooperation. If you are not working with me, what incentive do I have to work with you?I mean, just look at this. It is obvious that faust is going to play to his individual wincon--whatever that is. It is not normal to let claimed survivors live, because of this very reason: their motivations are in constant flux. Take a look at the Mafiascum wiki entry on them. faust should be forced into cooperation even if he doesn't like it. The fact that he is still alive is solely because of town's merciful decision to spare him. We also decided it was a good reason to power him up with supports too. I guess he's forgotten all that though.
Honestly faust is keeping a lot hidden for someone that's not even town, and has admitted as such.I think it's highly likely that exactly one of faust and Ichi is scum. Busy now, but will read Ichi's stuff properly later. My current inkling is that faust is the scum one.
I'd be willing to take him down now, just so no more of his shenanigans will come up again
joseph still seems scummy though...
vote: faust
I don't think this needs to be turned into ichi vs faust. If it does I'm going to have to vote ichi here because i'm like 90% sure faust is telling the truth.I didn't want it to be this way either. However, faust's actions lead me to the conclusion that he is either scum--or simply cannot be trusted and is not willing to cooperate with town at all. At the least, the positions people take on this matter will (and have been) enlightening.
I don't think this needs to be turned into ichi vs faust. If it does I'm going to have to vote ichi here because i'm like 90% sure faust is telling the truth.Also, he could be completely truthful in everything he has publicly revealed so far--and I would still consider him a fine choice for today's lynch. He is not town and does not share town's wincon (or at least does not exclusively share in town's wincon). He apparently has other options to win without town--and will always be considering those as the game progresses.
Everyone is so scary!
unvote
Ichi is suspisious, faust is just gonna be third party which don't really like but would rather lynch scum instead of him, chairs is suspisious and terrible but not that doesn't necessarily mean he's scum, joseph is suspicious and flip floppy and a joke and
aaaah
faust: Yes his claim is convenient I agree- happened to choose a confirmed town and a very likely town. Obviously I agree that I'm a bad lynch.Ahahahahaha. Time to claim a few things.I still prefer Ichi to Joseph, as I think Ichi is much more likely the player that e targetted. Now of course Joseph can be scum anyway, but I believe the signs that Ichi is scum are much stronger.
You need to convince me on IG.
- his claim is very convenient.
- he publicly got a power yesterday by doing a risky play. If I had an investigative power, I'd make sure to check if he really is town.
- lastly, I don't like the Joseph wagon, which just seems default with very weak reasoning, while the (imo) much better case on Ichi gets ignored.
First of all, faust and I are in a neighborhood together today--similar to how Hydrad, e and myself were in one yesterday. And he's basically chosen to just go no contact with me in that qt for whatever reason. This "case" is bullshit and I am appalled that you would attempt to push something so weak. Your second point is like wtf? That's not even a point against me, that's you giving general advice.
vote: faust. I really have nothing more to say. Except that if this case on me isn't faked on your part, I don't think I'll be playing another game with you.
I believe Faust is what he claims. I'm sure he's holding stuff back, too.So who do you want to lynch then?
I feel like this is town Ichi.
So I don't want to lynch either.
Vote Count 2.2So just over 2.5 days til deadline (and I'm away about half of that). Also, this suggests no-one except faust finds Ichi scummy, which is interesting.
Ichimaru Gin (1): faust
Joseph2302 (2): Awaclus, ashersky
faust (2): Ichimaru Gin, Joseph2302
Not Voting (5): Hydrad, Seprix, chairs, Pit, Ghacob
With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. Day 2 ends at 19 May, 4 PM Forum Time.
I will not be dropping this case until either faust or myself is dead.This is basically why I think it's going to end up as faust vs Ichi today.
I can admit to some hyperbole there. Individual's reactions to this have been somewhat telling.I will not be dropping this case until either faust or myself is dead.This is basically why I think it's going to end up as faust vs Ichi today.
Also, this suggests no-one except faust finds Ichi scummy, which is interesting.
vote: faust. I really have nothing more to say. Except that if this case on me isn't faked on your part, I don't think I'll be playing another game with you.
You wanna talk about convenient? Look at faust's claim here. He waits to claim until there's someone who has already flipped town--and then he picks Ashersky--who is a near consenus townread as his second one. What evidence is there to support this claim? How useful is it for third-party-faust to look like he's somewhat beholden to town now?
Also, faust told me that he knows that name of a town PR--though he failed to share how he gained this knowledge.
He also requested to be put in a neighborhood with Pit because he said he thought he could prove Pit was town if he could talk with him privately.
That's actually his last post in our neighborhood--maybe he did get transferred to a different neighborhood. The old one's still up though...
Look, I understand your reasoning here, but I don't like to be forced into cooperation. If you are not working with me, what incentive do I have to work with you?I mean, just look at this. It is obvious that faust is going to play to his individual wincon--whatever that is. It is not normal to let claimed survivors live, because of this very reason: their motivations are in constant flux. Take a look at the Mafiascum wiki entry on them. faust should be forced into cooperation even if he doesn't like it. The fact that he is still alive is solely because of town's merciful decision to spare him. We also decided it was a good reason to power him up with supports too. I guess he's forgotten all that though.
faust needs to understand that he can't be this survivor free-spirit thing. He can only live as someone indentured to town--he's not even willing to give lip service to that effect though. Seriously, why is this guy still alive? By definition he can never be trusted.
Honestly faust is keeping a lot hidden for someone that's not even town, and has admitted as such.
I'd be willing to take him down now, just so no more of his shenanigans will come up again
joseph still seems scummy though...
vote: faust
Honestly faust is keeping a lot hidden for someone that's not even town, and has admitted as such.I think it's highly likely that exactly one of faust and Ichi is scum. Busy now, but will read Ichi's stuff properly later. My current inkling is that faust is the scum one.
I'd be willing to take him down now, just so no more of his shenanigans will come up again
joseph still seems scummy though...
vote: faust
PPE:1
Everyone is so scary!
unvote
Ichi is suspisious, faust is just gonna be third party which don't really like but would rather lynch scum instead of him, chairs is suspisious and terrible but not that doesn't necessarily mean he's scum, joseph is suspicious and flip floppy and a joke and
aaaah
I will not be dropping this case until either faust or myself is dead.
I can admit to some hyperbole there. Individual's reactions to this have been somewhat telling.I will not be dropping this case until either faust or myself is dead.This is basically why I think it's going to end up as faust vs Ichi today.
I'm very frustrated with faust right now. Some people might not accept that he is strongly biased against me across games, but I believe that to be the case. He's ignoring me in our neighborhood...he makes this strikingly thin, trumped up case against me and acts like its the greatest thing ever like always, and then he bucks against any attempt for town to control his play "You can't tell me what to do!"...it all feels bad.
Also, this suggests no-one except faust finds Ichi scummy, which is interesting.
I find Ichi scummy.
vote: Faust
Bad choice of words, my scum I meant anti-town. Although you could be lying about who you chose, in which case you might be actual scum.Honestly faust is keeping a lot hidden for someone that's not even town, and has admitted as such.I think it's highly likely that exactly one of faust and Ichi is scum. Busy now, but will read Ichi's stuff properly later. My current inkling is that faust is the scum one.
I'd be willing to take him down now, just so no more of his shenanigans will come up again
joseph still seems scummy though...
vote: faust
PPE:1
You think I'm lying about my role? That's jst rubbish. You can believe that my role works differently from how I claimed it, but thinking I'm part of a mafia team makes very little sense.
Bad choice of words, my scum I meant anti-town. Although you could be lying about who you chose, in which case you might be actual scum.Honestly faust is keeping a lot hidden for someone that's not even town, and has admitted as such.I think it's highly likely that exactly one of faust and Ichi is scum. Busy now, but will read Ichi's stuff properly later. My current inkling is that faust is the scum one.
I'd be willing to take him down now, just so no more of his shenanigans will come up again
joseph still seems scummy though...
vote: faust
PPE:1
You think I'm lying about my role? That's jst rubbish. You can believe that my role works differently from how I claimed it, but thinking I'm part of a mafia team makes very little sense.
I think Joseph is our best bet from 2.7's own posts. I don't see a case for Ichi being more likely than him based on 2.7 reads.
So I don't like half of faust's case on Ichi. The other half...well, the claim can be from either alignment, given it was just to get something powered up, but I don't think he was lying, since that would have been super dumb, given Faust claimed it too.
I don't mean to fish here, but does anyone have anything else of note that's worth sharing? I feel like there's a big void of information, as well as posting.
By accident? You mean, reveal the fact that you messed up in who you picked--or you have no idea of the true alignment of your choices. This isn't an angle I'm really interested in pushing--but your excuse/explanation doesn't really make sense to me. The last part of your post is basically what I was saying.You wanna talk about convenient? Look at faust's claim here. He waits to claim until there's someone who has already flipped town--and then he picks Ashersky--who is a near consenus townread as his second one. What evidence is there to support this claim? How useful is it for third-party-faust to look like he's somewhat beholden to town now?
That's just stupid. Of course I wait to disclose this until I know the alignments of the players involved. I wouldn't want to claim that I'm actually playing for the mafia by accident.
I mean, what is your case on me? That I'm actually scum lying about my role? That would be quite the story to make up in a normal game.
Or you can argue the I'm third-party lying about who I picked, which I guess is sensible, but wouldn't you still rather lynch scum instead? Voting me guarantees not hitting scum.
I didn't get transferred or anything, I just didn't see the use in talking to someone who's probably scum.This statement is exceedingly nonsensical. Why wouldn't you engage with me and try to get more information? Seriously, if I thought I was in a neighborhood with scum, I'd be asking them a bunch of questions. I'm a fairly open player--you know this. It's not like you're even town either. Unless you thought you were in danger of revealing something about yourself which you didn't mean to...there's no reason why you wouldn't exploit our neighborhood maybe to see if I'd mess up or something.
Sorry. I can't even answer a simple question.I can admit to some hyperbole there. Individual's reactions to this have been somewhat telling.I will not be dropping this case until either faust or myself is dead.This is basically why I think it's going to end up as faust vs Ichi today.
I'm very frustrated with faust right now. Some people might not accept that he is strongly biased against me across games, but I believe that to be the case. He's ignoring me in our neighborhood...he makes this strikingly thin, trumped up case against me and acts like its the greatest thing ever like always, and then he bucks against any attempt for town to control his play "You can't tell me what to do!"...it all feels bad.
Do you think we should ignore e's death? That's a simple question for you.
Ichi, my case against you has absolutely nothing to do with your play and everything with what you claimed and the fact that e died. If you were anyone else, I'd be pushing that same case. So please stop acting as though I'm on a personal vendetta against you. If anyone is, it's you.You know what man, maybe you're right. Maybe I just disagree with you on a fundamental level about what makes a "good" case--and it just so happens your cases have been made against me a lot in the past. I just can't take you seriously when:
Oh. How anti-town of me. Wait...didn't like Pit already claim to be a PR and basically tell us what his role was. Oh yeah, he did.I think Joseph is our best bet from 2.7's own posts. I don't see a case for Ichi being more likely than him based on 2.7 reads.
So I don't like half of faust's case on Ichi. The other half...well, the claim can be from either alignment, given it was just to get something powered up, but I don't think he was lying, since that would have been super dumb, given Faust claimed it too.
I don't mean to fish here, but does anyone have anything else of note that's worth sharing? I feel like there's a big void of information, as well as posting.
Well, I think e would target the guy with the power... but since Joseph is also relatively scummy, I don't really mind lynching there. What speaks against this is that in Ichi, we keep a potential scum PR alive.
I can say it now, since Ichi spilled the beans anyway: I think pit is the town PR mentioned in my role description. Thus we really shouldn't lynch him.
ash is town, Ghacob doesn't read very scummy to me... who else is there? Right, Seprix. He's been pushing for my lynch all the time, I don't like that (not only because I don't want to be lynched, also because it's easy for scum to push a me case). Other than that (looking up now) we have Hydrad and chairs, oh yeah, and Awaclus.
Prod request on chairs
Other than that, hey, wagon analysis. The EFHW wagon had so much traction with ash/me pushing it that certainly some scum thought they could afford staying off. Who's off-wagon? Ghacob, Ichi, Pit. How about that? That's another strike against Ichi I think.
So my lynch preferences are
Ichi > Joseph >> Hydrad > Ghacob > Seprix > chairs >> Awaclus >> pit >> ashersky
Oh. How anti-town of me. Wait...didn't like Pit already claim to be a PR and basically tell us what his role was. Oh yeah, he did.So what is Pit's role, mister know-it-all?
Yeah. WIFOM. You've got nothing man, and I don't see my lynch happening today regardless. Interestingly, your second choice is now Joseph.My second choice has always been Joseph. Why do you feel the need to put a "now" in that sentence to suggest otherwise?
For real though, we'd be idiots to let someone of your alignment actively run the days or the game. Your being alive is a concession. I'm actually going to unvote for now. We should have just lynched you D1.???
Ichi, my case against you has absolutely nothing to do with your play and everything with what you claimed and the fact that e died. If you were anyone else, I'd be pushing that same case. So please stop acting as though I'm on a personal vendetta against you. If anyone is, it's you.You know what man, maybe you're right. Maybe I just disagree with you on a fundamental level about what makes a "good" case--and it just so happens your cases have been made against me a lot in the past. I just can't take you seriously when:
1. You're not even town.
2. I know for a fact you're wrong about me being scum.
3. Your case on me is objectively weak and virtually no one agrees with you about it or is willing to join you...yet it's the greatest case ever!
Oh. How anti-town of me. Wait...didn't like Pit already claim to be a PR and basically tell us what his role was. Oh yeah, he did.So what is Pit's role, mister know-it-all?
Something bad happens if i hammer scum (considering that it means that i hammered scum it's still good for us) and something good happens if i hammer town
Stop putting words in my mouth! NEVER did I say this is the "greatest case ever". If you cannot take people seriously once they've been wrong once well, I guess you can't take two thirds of us seriously because look, we've all been wrong about EFHW! And stop it with the "objectively". As though you were objective in this. That's just ridiculous.By "greatest case" I mean this must be the most compelling case for you this game--otherwise you'd be voting someone else.
Oh. How anti-town of me. Wait...didn't like Pit already claim to be a PR and basically tell us what his role was. Oh yeah, he did.So what is Pit's role, mister know-it-all?Something bad happens if i hammer scum (considering that it means that i hammered scum it's still good for us) and something good happens if i hammer town
Joseph and Seprix I'm interested in your vote on faust.
Do you think that faust is lying here?
Are you being sarcastic? All that I'm disputing is your claim that me revealing what I did was "anti-town" or actually gave people any more information than what Pit/WW already claimed.
You probably already knew this, but I at least am not particularly trusting of what you have say this game. It's very interesting that you not only got the name of a PR for some reason, but you are certain that it is the name of a town PR? Why did you tell scummiest-player-ever-me this again?Are you being sarcastic? All that I'm disputing is your claim that me revealing what I did was "anti-town" or actually gave people any more information than what Pit/WW already claimed.
Scum could have still made the case that he's lying though, and kept him alive. Now he's one step closer to being conf!town, i.e. one step closer to being dead.
Man, thing is, I just don't buy your scumread on me. It screams fakeness to me.
Your reads are purposefully cryptic. I have no idea why you think anyone is scum/not scum. I think you like it that way.Man, thing is, I just don't buy your scumread on me. It screams fakeness to me.
What about my scum read on you?
Your reads are purposefully cryptic. I have no idea why you think anyone is scum/not scum. I think you like it that way.Man, thing is, I just don't buy your scumread on me. It screams fakeness to me.
What about my scum read on you?
I like the idea of pursuing e's breadcrumbing.. I'm skeptical about Joseph if all he's said is the "maybe town" thing.
I'm less sold on Ichi being his target, though. I think e would play by crumbing, and visiting, his highest scum read. Not sure if this came up, but he'd want to drop the hint as close to the end of the day as possible (when his reads are more finalized), so we should be looking at his later posts.
Prod request on chairs
I like the idea of pursuing e's breadcrumbing.. I'm skeptical about Joseph if all he's said is the "maybe town" thing.
I'm less sold on Ichi being his target, though. I think e would play by crumbing, and visiting, his highest scum read. Not sure if this came up, but he'd want to drop the hint as close to the end of the day as possible (when his reads are more finalized), so we should be looking at his later posts.
Stop putting words in my mouth! NEVER did I say this is the "greatest case ever". If you cannot take people seriously once they've been wrong once well, I guess you can't take two thirds of us seriously because look, we've all been wrong about EFHW! And stop it with the "objectively". As though you were objective in this. That's just ridiculous.By "greatest case" I mean this must be the most compelling case for you this game--otherwise you'd be voting someone else.
Please. If your case was any good, wouldn't at least one other person join you? Isn't that the point in posting such things, is to convince others to vote with you? Just because it's a terrible case and it happens to be made against me doesn't prevent me from seeing that it is so. You being a third party and having a history of finding me scummy nine times out of ten doesn't make you objective about this either.
Why can't you just acknowledge that you are absolutely terrible at reading me?
I like the idea of pursuing e's breadcrumbing.. I'm skeptical about Joseph if all he's said is the "maybe town" thing.
I'm less sold on Ichi being his target, though. I think e would play by crumbing, and visiting, his highest scum read. Not sure if this came up, but he'd want to drop the hint as close to the end of the day as possible (when his reads are more finalized), so we should be looking at his later posts.
Most people here thought it' more likely that he targeted a town read though. Do you disagree with them?
Really though, this is just a colossal waste of time. I'm not getting lynched today--odds are faust isn't getting lynched either. I guess it's asking too much for him to actually do some proper scumhunting though.
I like the idea of pursuing e's breadcrumbing.. I'm skeptical about Joseph if all he's said is the "maybe town" thing.
I'm less sold on Ichi being his target, though. I think e would play by crumbing, and visiting, his highest scum read. Not sure if this came up, but he'd want to drop the hint as close to the end of the day as possible (when his reads are more finalized), so we should be looking at his later posts.
Most people here thought it' more likely that he targeted a town read though. Do you disagree with them?
Oh.. I was thinking he'd only get a "result" if he hits scum. But I guess if he targets town, then nothing happens so they're confirmed to him?
You probably already knew this, but I at least am not particularly trusting of what you have say this game. It's very interesting that you not only got the name of a PR for some reason, but you are certain that it is the name of a town PR? Why did you tell scummiest-player-ever-me this again?
I posted in our neighborhood that I was at least going to claim stuff about our neighborhood. You had ample opportunity to say something. Man, thing is, I just don't buy your scumread on me. It screams fakeness to me.
Yeah, I see. Though I'd actually use it on someone I'm uncertain of. If I had that role, I would in general choose players I considered hard to read or stronger players.. Awaclus, you (to Faust), Ashersky, Seprix and Joseph because they always seem scummy to me.
Actually I would almost certainly target Ashersky.
I can see your point on Ichi. The support thing could just as easily be scum as town, especially since one non-town already claimed that. His premature claim today makes me think he's more likely town, though I think that claim was pretty bad, and even though I don't remember what it was now, I remember thinking when I read it that it wasn't as bad as he made it out to be. I don't see scum!Ichi doing that, though... making it up seems unlikely, and as scum he'd probably think more (and confer with his team!) on how to use his power to their advantage. So town seems more likely there.
I don't think e would want to target a top town read.. I mean I guess sometimes you want to be sure, but I'd rather have one confirmed! read and one strong gut read than a single confirmed read.
Well, Ichi's actions today make me tentatively think he's town, making it less likely that e targeted him.
I remember skimming through the part about win-con wordings or whatever it was. Is it possible Ashersky only deduced this, or asked something in his own QT that would have given him the answer? He's a player likely to ask a lot about setup of the mod.
Yeah, I see. Though I'd actually use it on someone I'm uncertain of. If I had that role, I would in general choose players I considered hard to read or stronger players.. Awaclus, you (to Faust), Ashersky, Seprix and Joseph because they always seem scummy to me.
Actually I would almost certainly target Ashersky.
I can see your point on Ichi. The support thing could just as easily be scum as town, especially since one non-town already claimed that. His premature claim today makes me think he's more likely town, though I think that claim was pretty bad, and even though I don't remember what it was now, I remember thinking when I read it that it wasn't as bad as he made it out to be. I don't see scum!Ichi doing that, though... making it up seems unlikely, and as scum he'd probably think more (and confer with his team!) on how to use his power to their advantage. So town seems more likely there.
I don't think e would want to target a top town read.. I mean I guess sometimes you want to be sure, but I'd rather have one confirmed! read and one strong gut read than a single confirmed read.
Speaking of claims from D1,
Twilight Sparkle is most certainly a power role
What's your power?
Yeah, I see. Though I'd actually use it on someone I'm uncertain of. If I had that role, I would in general choose players I considered hard to read or stronger players.. Awaclus, you (to Faust), Ashersky, Seprix and Joseph because they always seem scummy to me.
Actually I would almost certainly target Ashersky.
I can see your point on Ichi. The support thing could just as easily be scum as town, especially since one non-town already claimed that. His premature claim today makes me think he's more likely town, though I think that claim was pretty bad, and even though I don't remember what it was now, I remember thinking when I read it that it wasn't as bad as he made it out to be. I don't see scum!Ichi doing that, though... making it up seems unlikely, and as scum he'd probably think more (and confer with his team!) on how to use his power to their advantage. So town seems more likely there.
I don't think e would want to target a top town read.. I mean I guess sometimes you want to be sure, but I'd rather have one confirmed! read and one strong gut read than a single confirmed read.
I would have targeted Faust. Doesn't mean anything, though.
Anything you want to clarify on your claim from D1?
Again, my case has very little to do with the way you played (only with your claim, I guess). Who do you think e targetted, if not you? Can't you at least acknowledge that it makes sense for e to target you?Why not you?
I'm not sure how me being a third party makes my case any less good. Why in the world would third-party!me create a fake case?
Again, my case has very little to do with the way you played (only with your claim, I guess). Who do you think e targetted, if not you? Can't you at least acknowledge that it makes sense for e to target you?Why not you?
I'm not sure how me being a third party makes my case any less good. Why in the world would third-party!me create a fake case?
No.
You're wrong. Please stop this insanity. Thank you.
Man, I have no idea what each one of your supposed mini-wincons is. Maybe you have a hit-list of certain people that have to die before you can win. Maybe there's some hidden criteria that I meet wherein me dying gets you something--your PM already explicitly mentions someone else's role it seems? Maybe, since you're a third-party, you don't have the same interests that town would in finding scum. From what I gather, it doesn't matter that the people you supposedly picked are both likely town--you can still win apart from town.
Wouldn't e still die if Faust was third party?Would he? I wouldn't think that would be the case.
Though the same logic (from Ghacob) makes Ashersky a likely protection target, and such a role is likely in RMM.
I assumed it was any non-town. Still, Faust seems the worst possible choice to investigate from e.I disagree. If I had e's power, I almost certainly would have targeted faust. It seems Ash and I agree on this matter.
So, WW, who do you think e targeted then?
I assumed it was any non-town. Still, Faust seems the worst possible choice to investigate from e.I disagree. If I had e's power, I almost certainly would have targeted faust. It seems Ash and I agree on this matter.
Though the same logic (from Ghacob) makes Ashersky a likely protection target, and such a role is likely in RMM.
This is a normal game, not RMM.
Though the same logic (from Ghacob) makes Ashersky a likely protection target, and such a role is likely in RMM.
This is a normal game, not RMM.
Obvious townslip.
I agree, Vote: ghacob.Speaking of claims from D1,
Twilight Sparkle is most certainly a power role
What's your power?
This is called "role fishing" here, and considered a scumtell. People with PRs know best when it's time for them to claim.
I assumed it was any non-town. Still, Faust seems the worst possible choice to investigate from e.Doesn't seem great, since it's pretty likely faust is neither town nor scum.
Why would he do that though? Wouldn't picking a probably town person be better, as you could make them IC the next day. Because picking a maybe scum leads to him dying, and us having less info.So, WW, who do you think e targeted then?
Whomever he had the hardest time reading, I would think. I'm not sure who that would be.
Seriously, we need to lynch Joseph.I disagree of course.
I agree, Vote: ghacob.
What, rather than me?I agree, Vote: ghacob.
Hmm, maybe the third one is Seprix after all.
What, rather than me?I agree, Vote: ghacob.
Hmm, maybe the third one is Seprix after all.
I agree, Vote: ghacob.
Hmm, maybe the third one is Seprix after all.
I have no idea where Awaclus' theories are coming from. We don't even have a single scum flip yet, so this conjecture is kind of pointless right now. I'm much more wary of Hydrad now actually. He has been very low activity and is feeling much more like scum!Hydrad to me in general.I agree, Awaclus makes no sense right now. Hydrad has been standard lurky Hydrad- which isn't necessarily a super-good reason to lynch.
e targeted someone on his pro-town list, but not the top guy.Probably. And according to people at the start of D2, e thought I was scummy (he had breadcrumbed it), therefore he wouldn't have chosen me. QED
We don't even have a single scum flip yet
What, rather than me?I agree, Vote: ghacob.
Hmm, maybe the third one is Seprix after all.
No, rather than Ghacob. Unless you're bussing.
Or maybe Joseph or Ghacob isn't scum. The odds are much higher, and I don't see Joseph bussing.
Anything you want to clarify on your claim from D1?I dunno I guess you could argue one is an invitation to speak, while the other could read as a demand, but when you get down to it, we're both asking for more information on a Power Role thingy from what was stated D1, asher's based on a partial claim, mine based on a flavor name claim.
I agree, Vote: ghacob.
Hmm, maybe the third one is Seprix after all.
Or maybe Joseph or Ghacob isn't scum. The odds are much higher, and I don't see Joseph bussing.
We don't even have a single scum flip yet, so this conjecture is kind of pointless right now.
I agree, Vote: ghacob.
Hmm, maybe the third one is Seprix after all.
Or maybe Joseph or Ghacob isn't scum. The odds are much higher, and I don't see Joseph bussing.
Indeed, Ghacob isn't scum, but you are. That's what I was saying.We don't even have a single scum flip yet, so this conjecture is kind of pointless right now.
True, but we have a weak visitor flip. He targeted someone and died, which means that whoever he targeted must be scum. There's a reason to believe he targeted Joseph who was already scummy to begin with, and there's a reason to believe he targeted you who were also scummy to begin with. It's not impossible that he targeted someone else, but there's no particular reason to believe that. Both you and Joseph should be trying to prove why the other one must be the person e targeted, but instead you two and Seprix have been trying your best to distract from the lynches of each other and pushing a nonsensical case on faust.
Mm. That's actually a pretty good narrative. I agree that faust feels like a red herring. I don't think he is scum; I still think we should have lynched him D1 though. I also feel like he's doing his best to propagate the distraction and force his weak case on me.I agree, Vote: ghacob.
Hmm, maybe the third one is Seprix after all.
Or maybe Joseph or Ghacob isn't scum. The odds are much higher, and I don't see Joseph bussing.
Indeed, Ghacob isn't scum, but you are. That's what I was saying.We don't even have a single scum flip yet, so this conjecture is kind of pointless right now.
True, but we have a weak visitor flip. He targeted someone and died, which means that whoever he targeted must be scum. There's a reason to believe he targeted Joseph who was already scummy to begin with, and there's a reason to believe he targeted you who were also scummy to begin with. It's not impossible that he targeted someone else, but there's no particular reason to believe that. Both you and Joseph should be trying to prove why the other one must be the person e targeted, but instead you two and Seprix have been trying your best to distract from the lynches of each other and pushing a nonsensical case on faust.
vote: Seprix
That makes no sense and is scummy as heck.
How soon is the deadline?
vote: Seprix
That makes no sense and is scummy as heck.
What are you referring to? Both my statements? This is not a useful way of arguing.vote: Seprix
That makes no sense and is scummy as heck.
No it isn't.
What are you referring to? Both my statements? This is not a useful way of arguing.vote: Seprix
That makes no sense and is scummy as heck.
No it isn't.
You say you voted faust out of "pity" for me and it was a "show". I maintain that those are nonsensical statements which do not reflect a town narrative. Where are your personal convictions about people's alignments? I don't need pity, I don't need people to agree with me--I'm used to being on my own.
Now, it just looks like you're throwing me under the bus now that you see your completely unexplained vote on faust looks really bad.
What are you trying to say?
You just gave an excuse as to why you voted faust and gave an explanation for why you did what you did at the time. Now you're saying there was no reason why you voted faust?
Or are you just regretting picking that particular fake reason to try and push responsibility for your vote onto me.
Also, I can acknowledge that this statement was extreme. I apologize for that.vote: faust. I really have nothing more to say. Except that if this case on me isn't faked on your part, I don't think I'll be playing another game with you.
What the fuck, man? Chill.
Why would he do that though? Wouldn't picking a probably town person be better, as you could make them IC the next day. Because picking a maybe scum leads to him dying, and us having less info.So, WW, who do you think e targeted then?
Whomever he had the hardest time reading, I would think. I'm not sure who that would be.
vote: EFHW
...I really don't like this.
Oh, and lets lynch ADK. Because I can't read him.
vote: ADK
And now that I am done mourning other mafia games, lets lynch scum
vote: joseph
Maybe its just me but that felt like a really short night.
e must have read Joseph or Awaclus. I think we need to attack Awaclus right now. He has stated he thinks I am town, Joseph is town, he must have tried to read Awaclus.
Hey ashersky, (or really anyone with a lot of experience with forum mafia)
How smart does scum tend to be here at f.ds?
Will they often kill someone that suspects a lot of townees and thinks scum are town in order to through town off their lead the next day?
Will they often avoid voting together in order to avoid arousing suspicion?
What's the meta level around these parts?
PPE: 1
Tough questions, which really depends on thekingdomplayers.
I will say most all players are at least "smart" people.
I think generally there are two reasons scum kill, right? Either too towny or they suspect a PR (or someone claimed a PR). The thing I don't think scum do is kill based on someone's reads -- that's an overblown theory, in general, to me.
I once advocated voting together on purpose when I was scum in a game awhile ago. So I guess maybe it's a thing?
I'm not sure what the meta level measurement scale is, but I would say that meta plays a big part in people's reads.
Joseph seems like an a-okay lynch to meI don't think so.
vote: joseph
Also, I wish 2.7 had decided to visit chairs and had breadcrumbed like this:
"Just got a new recliner for the house this weekend. Looking forward to just hanging in my new chair tonight."
Yes, plus if e had died, it would have easily shown you to be scum.Also, I wish 2.7 had decided to visit chairs and had breadcrumbed like this:
"Just got a new recliner for the house this weekend. Looking forward to just hanging in my new chair tonight."
This would have been hilarious.
Yes, plus if e had died, it would have easily shown you to be scum.Also, I wish 2.7 had decided to visit chairs and had breadcrumbed like this:
"Just got a new recliner for the house this weekend. Looking forward to just hanging in my new chair tonight."
This would have been hilarious.
I think Joseph > Ghacob. But really, Ichi is best.Can't people see how anti-town this is? My lynch has no chance of happening today. But faust is just going to keep chugging! He hasn't changed his vote either.
I think Joseph > Ghacob. But really, Ichi is best.Can't people see how anti-town this is? My lynch has no chance of happening today. But faust is just going to keep chugging! He hasn't changed his vote either.
How am I just flinging darts. I've already posted my reads, it was a less than serious response to jokey posts.Yes, plus if e had died, it would have easily shown you to be scum.Also, I wish 2.7 had decided to visit chairs and had breadcrumbed like this:
"Just got a new recliner for the house this weekend. Looking forward to just hanging in my new chair tonight."
This would have been hilarious.
Wait a second here. You're just flinging darts, hoping to find something that sticks.
vote: Joseph
Please, try to find a credible argument.
Oh yeah. Cause tunneling one guy who has no chance of being lynched for the entire day is sooooo helpful.I think Joseph > Ghacob. But really, Ichi is best.Can't people see how anti-town this is? My lynch has no chance of happening today. But faust is just going to keep chugging! He hasn't changed his vote either.
It's not antitown at all.
Oh yeah. Cause tunneling one guy who has no chance of being lynched for the entire day is sooooo helpful.I think Joseph > Ghacob. But really, Ichi is best.Can't people see how anti-town this is? My lynch has no chance of happening today. But faust is just going to keep chugging! He hasn't changed his vote either.
It's not antitown at all.
/s
I reread Hydrad some...kinda losing my scumread on him tbh. I just wish there was more time, and I wasn't so busy.
Good luck with that.
You didn't even bother to defend faust's actions, because you know they're completely unhelpful.
I agree with you. It seems there was a misunderstanding between us as to which behavior I was calling anti-town.I believe it's 1835 where faust is.
Which times is faust normally on though? Is he likely to be around between now and the deadline in ~3.5 hours?
I'll be voting before I head out; however, I haven't decided yet.
Ah yes. That sounds correct. Well, it sounds like we can expect him to show up for the deadline then.Probably the only people who aren't around are ash (it's currently around 3-6am in Australia), and WW (declared V/LA). Everyone else is European or American, so should be around.
@WW what makes you want to lynch Joseph over Seprix?
And yeah, I'm not really getting Seprix's accusation against Joseph either. Seeing both Ghacob and Seprix jump on the Joseph wagon lickity-split...I don't know. I might rather lynch one of them instead.This also makes me less happy with Seprix.
Well this is interesting. Out of Ghacob and Joseph--who are the two people with wagons on them right now, I'd rather lynch Ghacob I think. The people on that wagon are far townier than those on the Joseph wagon. I'd also lynch Seprix; however, I'm afraid with his current wagon count there's not enough time for it.Ghacob was on my scumlist, and seems like the only option other than me. So I like my vote there.
vote: Ghacob for now then.
Hmm I though at least one of Joesph or Ichi would try to jump on seprix with me. Guess thats not happening.
And then if we both voted for Seprix "Of course they wouldn't join their scumpartner Ghacob's wagon!"
It's so comforting that every decision faust makes this game is based off of his erroneous beliefs about my alignment.
Oh ok. You started this you know. You're basically alone in trying to push my lynch. I guess you never considered that you could be wrong about me like you have so many times in the past.It's so comforting that every decision faust makes this game is based off of his erroneous beliefs about my alignment.
I'll just stop responding to your posts from now on I think. This is leading nowhere, no matter your alingment.
20 minutes to the deadline. Each of Joseph/Ghacob needs 2 votes.Is no lynch worse than hitting town? I think yes, but not 100% sure.
And faust is still holding out for the miraculous ichi lynch!
Yeah it's definitely worse here. Forfeiting the mostly town controlled kill that is lynching is pretty bad in almost all cases.20 minutes to the deadline. Each of Joseph/Ghacob needs 2 votes.Is no lynch worse than hitting town? I think yes, but not 100% sure.
And faust is still holding out for the miraculous ichi lynch!
Day 2 Final Vote CountJoseph2302 (6): Awaclus, Witherweaver, Ghacob, Seprix, Ichimaru Gin, faust
Ghacob (3): ashersky, chairs, Joseph2302
Seprix (1): Hydrad
With 10 alive, it took 6 to lynch.
I am a 1-shot Sensor, and I used my shot last night. There were 0 scum on Joseph's lynch.
The scum was aware that there was a 1-shot Sensor in the game, and they had the ability to name one town player every night who would show up as scum for me the following night, but this is irrelevant since whoever it was that they chose, obviously wasn't on the lynch either since I detected 0 scum.
As far as I know, there is no way my result can possibly be lower than the real number.Day 2 Final Vote CountJoseph2302 (6): Awaclus, Witherweaver, Ghacob, Seprix, Ichimaru Gin, faust
Ghacob (3): ashersky, chairs, Joseph2302
Seprix (1): Hydrad
With 10 alive, it took 6 to lynch.
Therefore, two out of ashersky, chairs and Hydrad are scum and everyone else is an IC.
So just interpreting from our death counts, Scum decided to kill Seprix (why can be discussed later) which IG was babysitting as top scum suspectI am a 1-shot Sensor, and I used my shot last night. There were 0 scum on Joseph's lynch.
The scum was aware that there was a 1-shot Sensor in the game, and they had the ability to name one town player every night who would show up as scum for me the following night, but this is irrelevant since whoever it was that they chose, obviously wasn't on the lynch either since I detected 0 scum.
As far as I know, there is no way my result can possibly be lower than the real number.Day 2 Final Vote CountJoseph2302 (6): Awaclus, Witherweaver, Ghacob, Seprix, Ichimaru Gin, faust
Ghacob (3): ashersky, chairs, Joseph2302
Seprix (1): Hydrad
With 10 alive, it took 6 to lynch.
Therefore, two out of ashersky, chairs and Hydrad are scum and everyone else is an IC.
This is the best thing I could have heard. We now have concrete information to work with.
...Shouldn't there be three scum players?
Actually I guess it's technically possible that scum didn't choose to invoke a false positive yesterday.
I think it's pretty likely EFHW is a VT regardless of how carefully she read her PM. This is a regular game and a lot of people have claimed PRs already.
Actually I guess it's technically possible that scum didn't choose to invoke a false positive yesterday. In that case, Hydrad, chairs and ashersky are all scum. But I don't see a reason why they would do that.
Well even assuming that we now know exactly who each of the scum are, it's going to be a war of attrition.
As long as no other crazy powers start popping up, one of each of town and scum will die each day and night. I'm looking at day 5 being one town, one scum and faust. This will be fun.
Done thinking. I'll share the result of my thinking, which is actually super interesting, after people have said what they think about faust confirming my claim.
Seems kind of, like, save us from certain doom, right? Kind of Deus ex machina.
Why were there two deaths?
Run me through one more time how we know that there are only two scum?
Based on the setup at least it seems like 3 are happening
Also what's the problem with just starting with someone much more probably scum, chairs/Hydrad?
..ashersky stop saying stuff, you're under suspicion. Stop having a way with words.
...I'm askin' a lot of questions
Well, sorry guys. You should have lynched me while you had the chance.Crap.
Well, sorry guys. You should have lynched me while you had the chance.
I also don't like how you're feigning ignorance over the fact that if you lynch Awaclus and he's town, town loses.
I think it means the scum team is hydrad/chairs/X, with X being another player (like Ghacob)
Well, sorry guys. You should have lynched me while you had the chance.
Vote: Awaclus
Can someone give me the tl;dr?
And why would lynching Awaclus be okay?
No, I meant for town. I guess Awaclus thought there were only two scum?
Why did Ghacob blow it?
Also, doesn't the scum team have to be Ash/Chairs/Hydrad? Is there another option?
Can someone give me the tl;dr?
There are three scum; I win with them if we lynch Awaclus. The scum is probably ash/Hydrad/chairs.
Can someone give me the tl;dr?
There are three scum; I win with them if we lynch Awaclus. The scum is probably ash/Hydrad/chairs.
How do you know that there are three scum?
As SS linked in the second post, this is WIFOM: http://forum.dominionstrategy.com/index.php?topic=10639.msg393126#msg393126
As I was tryin' to say.
And the bottom line is that if there are three scum, we've already lost so we should assume that there are only two because that way we can still win.
And the bottom line is that if there are three scum, we've already lost so we should assume that there are only two because that way we can still win.
Not true.. there can be three scum, three town, and Faust left. Scum doesn't win via endgame because Faust could still choose to vote against Scum.
But the mod can't assume that---and therefore cannot endgame.
Can someone give me the tl;dr?
There are three scum; I win with them if we lynch Awaclus. The scum is probably ash/Hydrad/chairs.
How do you know that there are three scum?
Can someone give me the tl;dr?
There are three scum; I win with them if we lynch Awaclus. The scum is probably ash/Hydrad/chairs.
How do you know that there are three scum?
ashersky told me.
WW, I think you need to be the reasonable voice here. If the situation is as dire as some paint (I don't think it is), the best course of action is for YOU to hammer Awaclus, right?
It seems like Awa/Faust/X is the team. So you can hammer scum. That's good.
If I'm wrong and Awaclus is town, then the situation is worse for us and we need your PR, do hammering town is better.
Either way, then, hammering Awaclus is in town's best interest, right?
Hammering town means I die, so we have to be a bit careful.
It seems like Awa/Faust/X is the team.
Faust did you know Ash was scum back on like Day 2?
Faust did you know Ash was scum back on like Day 2?
No, but my townread on him wasn't quite as strong as I made it out to be.
I visited Hydrad. And didn't leave any clues. Which wasn't helpful
But he wasn't convincing at allllllllllll :'(
I was kicking myself for that so badly...But he wasn't convincing at allllllllllll :'(
Thanks for the tip, by the way.
Here's our QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/yXh3ec8h2jsq
You are a One-Shot Sensor. Once at night, you may trigger your ability. If you do, you will be told how many Chaos-Aligned players were on the lynched player's wagon the previous day. However, the chaos faction is aware of your power, and somehow has found a way to invoke false positives. Each night, they may select one player outside of their faction, who will count as Chaos-Aligned for your ability during the following day. Once in the game, they may change their decision at any point during the day. --- This entire paragraph will be quoted literally to the Chaos-Aligned Faction ---
I was kicking myself for that so badly...But he wasn't convincing at allllllllllll :'(
Thanks for the tip, by the way.
Here's our QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/yXh3ec8h2jsq
This game hurts!
But he wasn't convincing at allllllllllll :'(
Thanks for the tip, by the way.
Here's our QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/yXh3ec8h2jsq
That's like the coolest scumpower I've ever seen.
Why did you let on that you could see us though? Was it a way to build trust I'm assuming?
Was there a speccy?
This game hurts!
I absolutely think Faust did as he should have given his role.
Funnily enough, I felt scum was way underpowered at the beginning.
But the neighborhoods were a great tool. Seeing the whole setup, it was better balanced than I thought.
You could run this as open if you replace Faust with a VT and just make Ichi a babysitter. You'd also just have to make WW a 1-shot RB, I think.
Darn it, Hydrad's 172 in the scum qt is too true.
I'm just...I feel like there's no way to win. I lack credibility so I go along with others--and that's wrong. But any time I try to assert myself and push something no one listens. :(
I agree that faust did exactly as he should have to win. It's what I said all along! And he basically said as much himself multiple times.
I can't believe I almost threw the game. I was going to be so sad if we lost because I didn't jump oh Joseph.
man, you should have just lynched hydrad after day 1. why didn't that happen?
man, you should have just lynched hydrad after day 1. why didn't that happen?Why was that supposed to happen again?
if ashersky is scum we're all dead
Mostly the former
I've really enjoyed the flavor stuff you've done throughout, I really regret not "claiming" D1
I was only barely following, but not lynching faust right away was insanity. There is no scenario where you can't win because you lynched faust, but you could have won if you didn't lynch faust.
There are two scenarios if you don't lynch faust:
1) Lylo is reached, and you lose because faust flips. If you had lynched faust, you would have more time.
2) Lylo is never reached, in which case you won. However, if you had lynched faust, you would have won anyway, though you might have reached lylo.
Sure, faust can help in scumhunting, but well he will not necessarily tell the truth about his reads, and meh.
However, Ichi protecting Faust might have been a good idea. Does not hurt town wincon, plus can clear up any thinking he may be scum.Yeah...interestingly I was more of a fan of the "better to take a risk and maybe hit scum instead of hitting third-party for sure" idea when it came to my using my power like a pseudo-vig. Still, I guessed wrong--and it would have been better to target faust at that point instead of risking Seprix being town.
However, Ichi protecting Faust might have been a good idea. Does not hurt town wincon, plus can clear up any thinking he may be scum.Yeah...interestingly I was more of a fan of the "better to take a risk and maybe hit scum instead of hitting third-party for sure" idea when it came to my using my power like a pseudo-vig. Still, I guessed wrong--and it would have been better to target faust at that point instead of risking Seprix being town.
However, Ichi protecting Faust might have been a good idea. Does not hurt town wincon, plus can clear up any thinking he may be scum.Yeah...interestingly I was more of a fan of the "better to take a risk and maybe hit scum instead of hitting third-party for sure" idea when it came to my using my power like a pseudo-vig. Still, I guessed wrong--and it would have been better to target faust at that point instead of risking Seprix being town.
That makes me sad. I guess I need to learn that just because someone is unlynchable doesn't mean they should be trusted...
Well, even not using your power at all would have been a guaranteed victory for town, but obviously you had no way of knowing that.
Well, even not using your power at all would have been a guaranteed victory for town, but obviously you had no way of knowing that.
It's also not true, if scum kills one fewer town, it's 4/3/1, which isn't any different from 3/3/1; in both cases town needs faust's help in order to reach a majority.
this is why I think it was wrong of scum to even kill Ichi.
Well, even not using your power at all would have been a guaranteed victory for town, but obviously you had no way of knowing that.
It's also not true, if scum kills one fewer town, it's 4/3/1, which isn't any different from 3/3/1; in both cases town needs faust's help in order to reach a majority.
this is why I think it was wrong of scum to even kill Ichi.
If we had killed Ghacob, we entered today at 4 v 3 v 1 with town having caught us. Town could lynch us two of us without Faust, so we lost 100% of the time if we missed the Sensor.
Well, MLP sure got violent.Sorry I babysat you in bad faith so we would both die :D
Well, MLP sure got violent.Sorry I babysat you in bad faith so we would both die :D
But lynching Faust means using a day to get no information.
ashersky, I hope you know that I'm never going to trust you ever again. This was a poor first game with you.
Overall this was a fun time, and I feel like I've learned something. What I've learned, I'm not quite as sure on, but I've sure learned something
However, Ichi protecting Faust might have been a good idea. Does not hurt town wincon, plus can clear up any thinking he may be scum.Yeah...interestingly I was more of a fan of the "better to take a risk and maybe hit scum instead of hitting third-party for sure" idea when it came to my using my power like a pseudo-vig. Still, I guessed wrong--and it would have been better to target faust at that point instead of risking Seprix being town.
yeah, if you had targeted faust, town would have won the game 100%. 4/3 with perfect information
However, Ichi protecting Faust might have been a good idea. Does not hurt town wincon, plus can clear up any thinking he may be scum.Yeah...interestingly I was more of a fan of the "better to take a risk and maybe hit scum instead of hitting third-party for sure" idea when it came to my using my power like a pseudo-vig. Still, I guessed wrong--and it would have been better to target faust at that point instead of risking Seprix being town.
yeah, if you had targeted faust, town would have won the game 100%. 4/3 with perfect information
That's not completely right... I commuted after all.
There are two scenarios if you don't lynch faust:
1) Lylo is reached, and you lose because faust flips. If you had lynched faust, you would have more time.
2) Lylo is never reached, in which case you won. However, if you had lynched faust, you would have won anyway, though you might have reached lylo.
Sure, faust can help in scumhunting, but well he will not necessarily tell the truth about his reads, and meh.