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[Ichimaru Gin]

Yeah. I'm not sure what to make of this. This doesn't seem like the brightest scum plan ever, and I'm not really seeing scum!faust taking this risk this early D1. At the same time, Survivor's are generally considered anti-town. Also, it'd be kind of stupid to think he wouldn't screw town over later if it meant he would win.

Either way, faust is somewhat of a liability. He is a strong player though--and assuming he is what he says he is, I think he would help town at least as long as it was useful to him.

[Seprix]

What a bluff. I'm calling it. Isn't Discord a bad guy?

Vote: Faust

[chairs]

I'm Discord.

...literally the guy who started the whole thing according to the opening post?

I AM VERY CONFUSED.

[Ichimaru Gin]

Is this for real? Why would scum do this? I don't especially care for the way that he waits to tell us his flavor name--but I'm sure he expected this backlash. I've been in a position as town before (I know he's supposedly third-party here) with a somewhat scummy role name and power. It happens.

From my understanding of the show (definitely somewhat thin), Discord is not completely foregone as evil. I mean, it says right there in the OP that flavornames are indicative of alignment. So why the hell would scum!faust do this, knowing it would be such a tough sell? There's virtually no upside to doing this as scum that I can see.

[Ichimaru Gin]

It is of note that the OP only mentions Harmony-Aligned and Chaos-Aligned though. It's a closed setup, but why list only some of the possible alignments?

[Awaclus]

Scum should have safe claims, so a scummy flavor name doesn't mean faust is scum — it means either that he's telling the truth and that just unfortunately happens to be his flavor name, or that he's lying and claiming a scummy flavor name on purpose to appear town-with-a-scummy-flavor-y.

[A Drowned Kernel]

I don't know. I'm pretty sure I have to policy vote a claimed survivor (or whatever faust is claiming), especially one that's going to hold their willingness to act pro-town hostage. And that makes zero sense flavor wise.

vote: faust

[Ichimaru Gin]

Stop voting people!
Why is no one stopping to think about this?

This is way too simple. That doesn't mean that faust is telling the truth about everything or we shouldn't lynch him today. It does mean there should be more discussion before faust gets quicklynched.

[faust]

FWIW, I know nothing about the flavor, and haven't read the flavor (sorry)

[silverspawn]

Vote count 1.2:

Ghacob (1): Joseph2302
A Drowned Kernel (3): e, ashersky, Ichimaru Gin
e (2): Hydrad, chairs
Seprix (1): Awaclus
faust (3): Ghacob, Seprix, ADK

Not voting (3): EFHW, faust, Pit,

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends at 8 May, 5 PM Forum Time.

[Joseph2302]

FWIW, I know nothing about the flavor, and haven't read the flavor (sorry)

Like seriously, why would faust do this so early in Day 1 as scum? Makes no sense to me.

[2.71828.....]

I love scummy-sounding townies. 

Taking fausts claim at face value:
Scum wants to kill him.  As a third party, he is probably more powerful than your average townie.  He wins with town.  Town wins a majority of games.  Therefore, (if I take the claim at face value) I will be treating faust as a town PR and scum will likely want to kill him. 

I don't have time to think about implications of his flavor name or the possibilities of faust lying and all that right now.  Will think about that later.

[Hydrad]

Well this is interesting. I think I believe faust.

Also yay a way to get out of RVS!

[Hydrad]

I love scummy-sounding townies. 

Taking fausts claim at face value:
Scum wants to kill him.  As a third party, he is probably more powerful than your average townie.  He wins with town.  Town wins a majority of games.  Therefore, (if I take the claim at face value) I will be treating faust as a town PR and scum will likely want to kill him. 

I don't have time to think about implications of his flavor name or the possibilities of faust lying and all that right now.  Will think about that later.

But does scum really want to kill him? at lylo he would instantly be willing to switch and side with scum.

[Ghacob]

FWIW, I know nothing about the flavor, and haven't read the flavor (sorry)

Discord is the literal embodiment of Chaos(this game's scum)
It would make flavor sense for him to be considered a third party as Discord would love to watch two sides duel it out, however, that makes him very untrustworthy as an ally. (Also go read the flavor thing)

I have a similar role (which I also can't fully disclose) where I get a power if a certain amount of people post encourage: Ichimaru Gin in the thread.

Can you tell us Your flavor/character name?

[chairs]

faust, is there anything more you'd be willing to reveal about your role? The "big bad" in the opening post's flavor is literally the character you're claiming, so it's... more than a little confusing that you'd be anything but scum (although I could totally believe a SK variant). I guess my confusion (as someone familiar with the flavor) is that on the one hand, I don't think scum!you would outright out yourself by claiming Discord as a flavor claim, but I'm not sure I understand him as a third-party in this role (although flavor does indicate we're at least through S3, so... maybe? Do we have a Fluttershy this game that can convert you or something... but wouldn't that be RMM/Bastard?)

[Ichimaru Gin]

I have a similar role (which I also can't fully disclose) where I get a power if a certain amount of people post encourage: Ichimaru Gin in the thread.

Can you tell us Your flavor/character name?

I'm Rarity, the Element of Generosity.

[faust]

faust, is there anything more you'd be willing to reveal about your role? The "big bad" in the opening post's flavor is literally the character you're claiming, so it's... more than a little confusing that you'd be anything but scum (although I could totally believe a SK variant). I guess my confusion (as someone familiar with the flavor) is that on the one hand, I don't think scum!you would outright out yourself by claiming Discord as a flavor claim, but I'm not sure I understand him as a third-party in this role (although flavor does indicate we're at least through S3, so... maybe? Do we have a Fluttershy this game that can convert you or something... but wouldn't that be RMM/Bastard?)

I can write stuff up tomorrow, then I can share more details.

[ashersky]

Thoughts:

Survivors are generally anti-town.  A third party who can't kill and wins with anyone?  That's a survivor.  We've had three survivor wins on f.ds: M31 and LotR2 with scum and Dune 2 with town.

I'd note that all three games were mine.

While a Survivor will play as town nominally, it's goal is survival.  So, not too tinny to be NKed, not too scummy to be lynched.  Remember, he only cares about majority.  If scum gets close to lylo, a survivor will always go with scum.

So, generally, always lynch the survivor.

[ashersky]

As for claims so far...

I think IG doesn't claim something so similar yo someone else unless it's true, so I believe him.

Encourage: Ichimaru Gin

Pitt, vote for anyone with no votes now, let there be a vote count, then unvote.  Then we'll talk about whether we let you dictate wagon structure.

[Hydrad]

As for claims so far...

I think IG doesn't claim something so similar yo someone else unless it's true, so I believe him.

Encourage: Ichimaru Gin

Pitt, vote for anyone with no votes now, let there be a vote count, then unvote.  Then we'll talk about whether we let you dictate wagon structure.

Why do you want him to vote first? I don't see what that achieves.

[EFHW]

Sorry everyone,  I've been sick and forgot about this.  I  haven't read anything yet,  but I'll get started now.

[EFHW]

Vote count 1.1:

Ghacob (1): Joseph2302
A Drowned Kernel (4): 2.71828....., ashersky, Ichimaru Gin, chairs
2.71828..... (1): Hydrad
chairs (1): ADK

Not voting (6): Awaclus, EFHW, Ghacob, faust, Pit, Seprix

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 ends at 8 May, 5 PM Forum Time.

I think there are actually 14 players, right?

[EFHW]

Nvm, obviously still sick and should not post until I  am better.

[ashersky]

As for claims so far...

I think IG doesn't claim something so similar yo someone else unless it's true, so I believe him.

Encourage: Ichimaru Gin

Pitt, vote for anyone with no votes now, let there be a vote count, then unvote.  Then we'll talk about whether we let you dictate wagon structure.

Why do you want him to vote first? I don't see what that achieves.

I'd like to confirm some aspects of his role.