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[shraeye]

Doing a full 512 tournament would be pretty big.  But if interest is high enough that the 240+16 spots fill up fast, perhaps some out of the original 256 could also be reserved as qualifier spots.  One could take 20-40 spots and hold a 1 round qualifier for the 40-80 people with the lowest rankings.  The qualifiers could be extended to mroe rounds, but it seems like there's a lot of rounds going on already.

[zporiri]

here's an idea that doesn't have anything to do with how the tournament is going to run. perhaps have the kingdom design winner have their kingdom played in the final match of the tournament)? this would be in addition to whatever prize they might win for being a winner of the kingdom design contest. i can totally understand if people don't think this is a good idea to have a non-randomly selected kingdom, especially in the final match. in dominion, sometimes you just get a boring kingdom, and that's the way it is. i guess the pro's would be more incentive to enter the kingdom design challenge, a guaranteed interesting kingdom in the finals as well as expert level analysis of a kingdom with multiple ways to play it, and then the world gets to see what strategy wins out. like i said before, i understand why people might not like this idea but i think it is worth considering.

What we did last year, and what we will do this year, is that we pick 7 finalists and those 7 get to be in the final.  Then we vote on which one is the winner.

oops, i dont think i was clear enough on what i was suggesting. what i was trying to say, was that the winning kingdom of the Kingdom Design Contest is used in one of the games in the final round of the 2012 Dominion Strategy Championships. refer back to my previous post for my thoughts on this idea

[theory]

here's an idea that doesn't have anything to do with how the tournament is going to run. perhaps have the kingdom design winner have their kingdom played in the final match of the tournament)? this would be in addition to whatever prize they might win for being a winner of the kingdom design contest. i can totally understand if people don't think this is a good idea to have a non-randomly selected kingdom, especially in the final match. in dominion, sometimes you just get a boring kingdom, and that's the way it is. i guess the pro's would be more incentive to enter the kingdom design challenge, a guaranteed interesting kingdom in the finals as well as expert level analysis of a kingdom with multiple ways to play it, and then the world gets to see what strategy wins out. like i said before, i understand why people might not like this idea but i think it is worth considering.

What we did last year, and what we will do this year, is that we pick 7 finalists and those 7 get to be in the final.  Then we vote on which one is the winner.

oops, i dont think i was clear enough on what i was suggesting. what i was trying to say, was that the winning kingdom of the Kingdom Design Contest is used in one of the games in the final round of the 2012 Dominion Strategy Championships. refer back to my previous post for my thoughts on this idea

I think we are talking past each other.  The KDC gets narrowed down to 7 by me (maybe rrenaud, maybe other volunteers), and then those 7 are played in the DSC, and THEN we choose the KDC winner. Which is even more than what you're suggesting, and I'd rather have the whole finals be KDC finalists instead of one random game being a KDC winner.

[greatexpectations]

you can see the winners from last year here and you can find them on the wiki here.

[shark_bait]

The KDC was a great addition to the final.  It gave us lobby spectators an interesting set to discuss rather than "hmmm, Mountebank it is."  And it also ensured high-skill kingdoms that did a fantastic job on determining the winner.  I would love to see this implemented again.

[zporiri]

here's an idea that doesn't have anything to do with how the tournament is going to run. perhaps have the kingdom design winner have their kingdom played in the final match of the tournament)? this would be in addition to whatever prize they might win for being a winner of the kingdom design contest. i can totally understand if people don't think this is a good idea to have a non-randomly selected kingdom, especially in the final match. in dominion, sometimes you just get a boring kingdom, and that's the way it is. i guess the pro's would be more incentive to enter the kingdom design challenge, a guaranteed interesting kingdom in the finals as well as expert level analysis of a kingdom with multiple ways to play it, and then the world gets to see what strategy wins out. like i said before, i understand why people might not like this idea but i think it is worth considering.

What we did last year, and what we will do this year, is that we pick 7 finalists and those 7 get to be in the final.  Then we vote on which one is the winner.

oops, i dont think i was clear enough on what i was suggesting. what i was trying to say, was that the winning kingdom of the Kingdom Design Contest is used in one of the games in the final round of the 2012 Dominion Strategy Championships. refer back to my previous post for my thoughts on this idea

I think we are talking past each other.  The KDC gets narrowed down to 7 by me (maybe rrenaud, maybe other volunteers), and then those 7 are played in the DSC, and THEN we choose the KDC winner. Which is even more than what you're suggesting, and I'd rather have the whole finals be KDC finalists instead of one random game being a KDC winner.

oh my bad, I understand now. I wasn't in the tourney last year so I didn't know that was already implemented. that's awesome to know that all 7 kingdoms will be used!

[Insomniac]

So if Goko launches (taking Iso down) during this tourney we either have to have a plan to finish, speed it way up (probably unreasonable) or move to goko?

[jsh357]

I hate to bring this pink elephant in the room up, but the point counter debate should probably be had sooner rather than later too.  We all know how that's ended up in the past.

[greatexpectations]

So if Goko launches (taking Iso down) during this tourney we either have to have a plan to finish, speed it way up (probably unreasonable) or move to goko?

i already messaged goko about it, so we might be able to get some insight. changes to the tournament would likely depend on when the launch/shut down occurs. speeding up or moving are more feasible in the last round or three, much less so early on.

I hate to bring this pink elephant in the room up, but the point counter debate should probably be had sooner rather than later too.  We all know how that's ended up in the past.

we have the benefit this time of being able to have an explicit ruling on this issue up front. we can of course try to be as flexible as possible with it, but if people take issue they can just pass on playing. there were not many people who were too hardcore in their views either way, and i don't see us having any trouble at all filling 256 spots should some people choose to sit out.

[shark_bait]

Lets greatexpectations and jonts decide the rules and if you want to play in the tourney, you must follow their decree.  IMO, that is the simplest way.  If you don't agree, you don't have to play.  I have my own personal opinion, but to make this process the easiest and least painful it would be best if everyone went with what the admins decide.  Regardless of what they choose, some people will not be happy.  If they want to make a poll to see the popular option, I'm fine with that.  I just think that a firm stance must be made that all must adhere to it.

[greatexpectations]

Lets greatexpectations and jonts decide the rules and if you want to play in the tourney, you must follow their decree.  IMO, that is the simplest way.  If you don't agree, you don't have to play.  I have my own personal opinion, but to make this process the easiest and least painful it would be best if everyone went with what the admins decide.  Regardless of what they choose, some people will not be happy.  If they want to make a poll to see the popular option, I'm fine with that.  I just think that a firm stance must be made that all must adhere to it.

yup, i mentioned earlier that we would go to the community and make a poll on any decision that could be divisive. i don't think that me or jonts26 have any agenda here, and what we make up is going to get passed by theory anyway.

but we can always just echo the rules from last year and allow whatever variations people like if both sides consent, regardless what the official default rules are.

[pingpongsam]

Prizes will be in gokoins.

[Qvist]

Prizes will be in gokoins.

Haha, actually the winner will be offered a job as lead developer of Goko.

[Davio]

I hate to bring this pink elephant in the room up, but the point counter debate should probably be had sooner rather than later too.  We all know how that's ended up in the past.

Let me just say this: Banning it is pretty meaningless.

You can edit the source code and have it not print any output to the chat.
That way you could never tell if someone was using the Chrome PCE.

[ftl]

Do you really have such a low opinion of the f.ds community that even when told "Don't do this, it's against the rules of this tournament" people will do it anyway? And go through the difficulty of modifying source code of an extension to cheat?

[DStu]

Do you really have such a low opinion of the f.ds community that even when told "Don't do this, it's against the rules of this tournament" people will do it anyway? And go through the difficulty of modifying source code of an extension to cheat?

*cough* *cough* *cough* *cough*

[Davio]

Do you really have such a low opinion of the f.ds community that even when told "Don't do this, it's against the rules of this tournament" people will do it anyway? And go through the difficulty of modifying source code of an extension to cheat?

I don't actually, I'm just saying, it's possible and it's undetectable.
As undetectable as a person using pen and paper.
Are you going to say to him: Don't use pen and paper, it's evil!

But I've stated my opinion on the matter over and over in the other topic, so I won't keep repeating it here.

All I'm saying is: Banning the PCE outright creates a false sense of security.
When the PCE is banned and people respect this ban and don't use it, it doesn't mean people won't use something else to get an advantage.

At least the cat is out of the bag now and we all know PCE tracks deck contents as well as just points.

[greatexpectations]

Do you really have such a low opinion of the f.ds community that even when told "Don't do this, it's against the rules of this tournament" people will do it anyway? And go through the difficulty of modifying source code of an extension to cheat?

there will always be a couple bad apples out there. and you also need to remember that this tournament will likely attract a number of people who aren't quite forum regulars. we can't make any real statements about their expected behavior.

the reality is that we are going to get a couple unhappy people making sarcastic comments no matter what gets decided.

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[Tables]

I think limiting the number of signups isn't really necessary. Just let it go to whatever it wants to be, and then once it reaches deadline, fill in gaps with a number of byes (who essentially are the lowest seeded players), then call the first round a preliminary, if you want.

[Axxle]

I think byes would be fine.

[HiveMindEmulator]

I think limiting the number of signups isn't really necessary. Just let it go to whatever it wants to be, and then once it reaches deadline, fill in gaps with a number of byes (who essentially are the lowest seeded players), then call the first round a preliminary, if you want.

The only reason to limit it is for the sake of tournament length.

[Kirian]

I think limiting the number of signups isn't really necessary. Just let it go to whatever it wants to be, and then once it reaches deadline, fill in gaps with a number of byes (who essentially are the lowest seeded players), then call the first round a preliminary, if you want.

The only reason to limit it is for the sake of tournament length.

Eh.  Each doubling adds one week tops.  I don't think we'll make it to 1024.  But at some point it's not just time, it's logistics for the people setting up the brackets.

[Beyond Awesome]

I think limiting the number of signups isn't really necessary. Just let it go to whatever it wants to be, and then once it reaches deadline, fill in gaps with a number of byes (who essentially are the lowest seeded players), then call the first round a preliminary, if you want.

The only reason to limit it is for the sake of tournament length.

Eh.  Each doubling adds one week tops.  I don't think we'll make it to 1024.  But at some point it's not just time, it's logistics for the people setting up the brackets.

That is a lot of work.

[RisingJaguar]

I'd be very much interested in this again, even if I have been rather busy as of late. 

I stumbled upon this by accident.  I think this post should be moved (or duplicated?) to general discussions to garner more attention for the time being.  I would think there would be a lot more discussion/activity for a topic which wants to have a couple hundred entrants.