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[ashersky]

The best part is that, even IF you folks err by lynching me today, we still win. 
Lynch Qvist tomorrow.  Lynch Axxle the day after that. 

Case closed.

Part of this I definitely agree with.  If we mislynch the real cop, we have the right lynch tomorrow.

Is there any sense in not risking it and lynching the likely third?

[Captain_Frisk]

The best part is that, even IF you folks err by lynching me today, we still win. 
Lynch Qvist tomorrow.  Lynch Axxle the day after that. 

Case closed.

Are you confident enough on this to self vote?

[ashersky]

The best part is that, even IF you folks err by lynching me today, we still win. 
Lynch Qvist tomorrow.  Lynch Axxle the day after that. 

Case closed.

Are you confident enough on this to self vote?

IF he self-votes, I will absolutely vote for him.  That's be hugely anti-town if he's the real cop.

[TheMunch]

Vote: Qvist

This will tell a lot.

[Qvist]

You know that I'm not a native speaker right? I start a sentence and then have to rewrite it because it sound wrong. Try to join German Mafia.
I said ~20 minutes and it was 13 minutes, so it's fine isn't it. I started with commenting way before I read the claim. I already said that.
And you know how "currently viewing" works. I can my computer on the whole day and ... I don't know why I have to write this ... before I got to the bathroom and such, I checked for new messages and already opened the threads in tabs I wanted to read. I went to bad with my netbook and clicked on "Replay", so this was ~20 minutes before the post. So, it's fine. Believe me or not.

[Captain_Frisk]

Also, the attached picture shows when Qvist started reading the thread.  Not 7:15.  6:56.  He'd been working on his fakeclaim for over 45 minutes.

I don't know, man.  Scum!Frisk loves the user checker thingy.  I very often leave pages open when I tab to other program, walk away from my desk, etc.

Just feels wrong to play forum mafia that way.

Also, that fake claim sucks for 45-minutes of prep.  You're feeling worse and worse to me VG.  I don't know what to do.



PPE -- on a bigger note, screenshots of things, especially timing stuff, probably need to be discussed on a f.ds scale for games...

When did scum frisk love the user checker?

[Captain_Frisk]

Vote: Qvist

This will tell a lot.

Stop it

[Axxle]

PPE -- on a bigger note, screenshots of things, especially timing stuff, probably need to be discussed on a f.ds scale for games...

I am not a fan of this.  Its a complete null tell usually.

also:

Man, I don't know exactly. I was doing a quick read in a few minutes until I got to your math. I was checking if the math is correct, that was ~10 minutes. Then my wife came in and said good night. And then I found your claim and responded, I don't know ~20 minutes.

I investigated Robz, CF, CF on the 3 nights. Robz was random and CF looked scummy to me as you all know.
Why shouldn't I claim to investigate CF? I had to claim Cop because you fakeclaimed. Then I can also claim what I know, or not?

He was distracted.

[ashersky]

Is that L-1 for Q and L-2 for V?

Leaves me and Frisk not voting (for the "cops").  Where are you leaning?

[Voltgloss]

The best part is that, even IF you folks err by lynching me today, we still win. 
Lynch Qvist tomorrow.  Lynch Axxle the day after that. 

Case closed.

Are you confident enough on this to self vote?

I'm 95% confident.  That doesn't mean I want to lynch myself today.

The best course is for town to lynch Qvist.  Then the cop protects me, I investigate Axxle, and on the 5% chance he's ridiculously deluded we instead lynch the remaining suspects.  We should be able to win 100% with one mislynch available.

[Captain_Frisk]

Try to join German Mafia. .

Scum or town, we need to make this happen.

[ashersky]

Also, the attached picture shows when Qvist started reading the thread.  Not 7:15.  6:56.  He'd been working on his fakeclaim for over 45 minutes.

I don't know, man.  Scum!Frisk loves the user checker thingy.  I very often leave pages open when I tab to other program, walk away from my desk, etc.

Just feels wrong to play forum mafia that way.

Also, that fake claim sucks for 45-minutes of prep.  You're feeling worse and worse to me VG.  I don't know what to do.



PPE -- on a bigger note, screenshots of things, especially timing stuff, probably need to be discussed on a f.ds scale for games...

When did scum frisk love the user checker?

Didn't you use it to great effect in ZMV?

[TheMunch]

Vote: Qvist

This will tell a lot.

Stop it

okay...

unvote

[Captain_Frisk]

Is that L-1 for Q and L-2 for V?

Leaves me and Frisk not voting (for the "cops").  Where are you leaning?

I am leaning on not voting.  We have a week right.??

[ashersky]

The best part is that, even IF you folks err by lynching me today, we still win. 
Lynch Qvist tomorrow.  Lynch Axxle the day after that. 

Case closed.

Part of this I definitely agree with.  If we mislynch the real cop, we have the right lynch tomorrow.

Is there any sense in not risking it and lynching the likely third?

Any thoughts of my question?  I think we probably definitely need to lynch one of the two cops, but don't know if there's some theory work out there that makes sense to leave them both alive?

[Insomniac]

Vote Count 3-4

Qvist (2) - yuma, Voltgloss {L-2}
Voltgloss (2) - Qvist, Axxle {L-2}
Axxle (1) - Ashersky

Not Voting (2) - Captain_Frisk, TheMunch

With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch

Deadline: December 12 2012, 8:20am PST (11:20am forum time)

[Captain_Frisk]

We are not ending the day while I'm giving my son a bath

[ashersky]

unvote

[Insomniac]

Vote Count 3-5

Qvist (2) - yuma, Voltgloss {L-2}
Voltgloss (2) - Qvist, Axxle {L-2}

Not Voting (3) - Captain_Frisk, TheMunch, Ashersky

With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch

Deadline: December 12 2012, 8:20am PST (11:20am forum time)

[ashersky]

Alright, as mentioned, I'm away from a computer for next the next couple hours.  Please don't end the day prematurely!

[Captain_Frisk]

Qvist - who do you think is volts partner?

[Voltgloss]

Remember Qvist's response to my massclaim proposal.

On top of all of that, notice how Qvist completely ignored weighing in on my massclaim proposal. 

Sorry, I didn't ignore it. I just don't know if this is a good idea. And I tried to evaluate that, but had a hard time. But I think you brought up a valid point, it might work, but is really risky.

Would you expect a Town Cop to give such a lukewarm no-response response?

This is part of WHY I wanted to have discussion of massclaim.  So that if scum fakeclaimed me, they would have already gone on record in a way that undermines their fakeclaim.

[Qvist]

So, it's 2.30 am now, I really have to go to sleep. And I'm not sure when or if I'm able to post tomorrow because I have a meeting at work and an appointment in the evening.

[Axxle]

Remember Qvist's response to my massclaim proposal.

On top of all of that, notice how Qvist completely ignored weighing in on my massclaim proposal. 

Sorry, I didn't ignore it. I just don't know if this is a good idea. And I tried to evaluate that, but had a hard time. But I think you brought up a valid point, it might work, but is really risky.

Would you expect a Town Cop to give such a lukewarm no-response response?

This is part of WHY I wanted to have discussion of massclaim.  So that if scum fakeclaimed me, they would have already gone on record in a way that undermines their fakeclaim.

I would expect a NEW PLAYER to do that.  He doesn't know if it will work or not.

[Voltgloss]

Here is my second post of the topic, regarding my knowing that CF is town.

Basically now that we've known Joth flipped scum, it is becoming increasingly evident to me that Frisk is Joth's Scumbuddy.  Frisk wanted Joth to claim, he votes to put pressure on Joth, then I hammer before he can unvote after the claim.  Also I would like everyone to note these posts after I hammered:

Did you just hammer a town PR?

Without even waiting for a counterclaim?

This sounds very much like the plan was to use joth to fish out a counterclaim and they are both very upset that their plan didn't work.  They didn't get to figure out who the real doctor is and this ruined their plan.  I honestly think Frisk thought he could keep Joth alive with a quick unvote but it was not coordinated enough.

Munch, the posts of CF's you cite are actually the key evidence that, in my mind, paints CF as town.  If CF were really joth's scumbuddy, do you think he'd "reveal" their plan in this way AFTER you'd dropped the hammer and there was nothing anyone could have done to prevent it?

I think you v. CF is town v. town, with scum lurking on the sidelines deciding which of you to "support" against the other.

May I instead suggest Qvist.  He ALSO "wanted Joth to claim"; he "threatened" to hammer Joth to put "pressure" on him; and then immediately withdrew that threat once Joth fakeclaimed (but BEFORE you hammered).  And then was utterly silent after the hammer fell.

THAT rings my scumalarms.  Not CF. 

CF:  could you explain again your reasoning for excluding Qvist from your "scummy 5" theory?  Does Qvist's behavior after you announced that theory cause you to question that read?