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[Jimmmmm]

I like this post.  Just honest run-through on the wagon.  2 lurker votes, good vote from iguana, self-preservation from Jimmmmm.  Feels like frustrated town (maybe frustrated isn't the right word, but something along those lines). My reread leaves me much townier on math.

35 minutes after this post you said you were happy with your math vote. What are you seeing now that you didn't see then?

[2.71828.....]

I like this post.  Just honest run-through on the wagon.  2 lurker votes, good vote from iguana, self-preservation from Jimmmmm.  Feels like frustrated town (maybe frustrated isn't the right word, but something along those lines). My reread leaves me much townier on math.

35 minutes after this post you said you were happy with your math vote. What are you seeing now that you didn't see then?

I was looking at wagons then and doing math vs jimmmm

I also hadn't read the thread very well. I would still probably vote math before I vote jimmmm, but now prefer to vote somewhere else entirely

[2.71828.....]

Or math vs joth.

[faust]

Vote: faust

When you look for scum and can't find them, it's because Faust is scum.

Or gkrieg.

Interested in hearing more about your faust vote. Seems very....random? I mean, you vote faust then just completely ignore both before and after.  By my count, you have 4 posts interacting with faust prior to your vote and a single post after your "when you can't find scum its faust" post. Did you even look at faust or just felt like you could get some traction on faust because no one will take the time to reread everything he posted and you can build a wagon of people who start getting antsy when faust stays alive too long (thinking of the whole "If Robz is alive D4 he is scum" line of thinking, which I know faust has experienced as well)?

I don't know, your vote just doesn't sit well with me. 

vote: iguana

I feel like iguana has done me a great service with this vote. It's like a repellant for other votes.

[faust]

Doubly good becuase now this is no longer OMGUS:

Vote: 2.71828.....

[iguanaiguana]

Just wait until I take my crack and do you like I did Galzria 

[faust]

Just wait until I take my crack and do you like I did Galzria 

In my experience, such grandiose announcements are followed by unvotes, so I'm not too worried.

[iguanaiguana]

iguana: Can you confirm of deny that you saw EFHW's vote before D1 ended?

Looking at Faust again. I realize I missed this question from him when he asked it.

Yes. I did see EFHW's vote, but it wasn't immediately clear that switching to Joth was the way to go and at that point I still preferred Math. My intention was to switch if necessary 5m to deadline and I failed to be there at that time.

[2.71828.....]

Doubly good becuase now this is no longer OMGUS:

Vote: 2.71828.....

Triply good since now you can paint me as even scummier since my vote will now be OMGUS.

Vote: faust

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Looking at Faust again.

The anticipation is killing me

[iguanaiguana]

Looking at Faust again.

The anticipation is killing me

Don't wait up. I'm not finishing until I get some sleep

[MiX]

Iguana:

"1. When the Traitor PM went out, that player was informed who the Mafia was."

Your argument doesn't hold water.

[iguanaiguana]

Iguana:

"1. When the Traitor PM went out, that player was informed who the Mafia was."

Your argument doesn't hold water.

Blah, so why did he say that at the end?

[MiX]

Iguana:

"1. When the Traitor PM went out, that player was informed who the Mafia was."

Your argument doesn't hold water.

Blah, so why did he say that at the end?

Because scum didn't know him.

[Jimmmmm]

I would like to hear more from gkrieg about EFHW (and in general of course).

[faust]

Doubly good becuase now this is no longer OMGUS:

Vote: 2.71828.....

Triply good since now you can paint me as even scummier since my vote will now be OMGUS.

Vote: faust

Oh my god everyone, look at this OMGUS vote and how scummy it is!

[MiX]

Doubly good becuase now this is no longer OMGUS:

Vote: 2.71828.....

Triply good since now you can paint me as even scummier since my vote will now be OMGUS.

Vote: faust

Oh my god everyone, look at this OMGUS vote and how scummy it is!

Oh my! Most scummy!

[faust]

But also,

Vote: gkrieg

Will you join me, iguana?

[WestCoastDidds]

I will join you fausty!

Vote: gkrieg

[jotheonah]

Actually, I think Joth is town. And that's because... his scum record is truly abysmal. And I read his scum game... the one he told me was the best example of him as scum... and he was just bad scum in that game.

And he does not seem bad in this game. Therefore he's town. Good enough for D1.

That's my general impression.

Read this game.

So, I was reading this game, and I was like, holy crap, Joth is playing so good here. I knew he was scum, did not know his partners (except McMc, who flipped D1), did not know his role. Then... this:

I found the traitor role to be very freeing. My reads were fake, but my interactions were genuine, which made the game like 50% easier, if that makes sense.

See, I think I get Joth. He has a really hard time with scum because he thrives on uncertainty. Knowing his partners takes the uncertainty out of the game and replaces it with duplicity, and I think he has a really hard time with that.

As a result, in the one example of a mafia game where he really played his heart out and fooled people, he was a traitor. The uncertainty was very much alive because he didn't know his partners.

So I guess if I am reading Joth correctly here, then that's because we are cut from the same cloth in that way. Both of us really struggle with being mafia. So as someone else who tends to lurk as scum and overplay as town, I guess I am seeing similar things from Joth's record and his current game. So he's actually one of the people I'm more confident in. The fact that he was traitor in that game really seals it.

I think Joth is town.

I feel very seen.

[jotheonah]

Maybe the lesson is that it's not my interaction with partners that gives me away when I'm scum, but my partners' interactions with me.

[faust]

Actually, I think Joth is town. And that's because... his scum record is truly abysmal. And I read his scum game... the one he told me was the best example of him as scum... and he was just bad scum in that game.

And he does not seem bad in this game. Therefore he's town. Good enough for D1.

That's my general impression.

Read this game.

So, I was reading this game, and I was like, holy crap, Joth is playing so good here. I knew he was scum, did not know his partners (except McMc, who flipped D1), did not know his role. Then... this:

I found the traitor role to be very freeing. My reads were fake, but my interactions were genuine, which made the game like 50% easier, if that makes sense.

See, I think I get Joth. He has a really hard time with scum because he thrives on uncertainty. Knowing his partners takes the uncertainty out of the game and replaces it with duplicity, and I think he has a really hard time with that.

As a result, in the one example of a mafia game where he really played his heart out and fooled people, he was a traitor. The uncertainty was very much alive because he didn't know his partners.

So I guess if I am reading Joth correctly here, then that's because we are cut from the same cloth in that way. Both of us really struggle with being mafia. So as someone else who tends to lurk as scum and overplay as town, I guess I am seeing similar things from Joth's record and his current game. So he's actually one of the people I'm more confident in. The fact that he was traitor in that game really seals it.

I think Joth is town.

I feel very seen.

You seem to agree with this even though it has been proven factually wrong. Why?

[MiX]

But also,

Vote: gkrieg

Will you join me, iguana?

Do you scumread gkrieg?

Would you answer the question "why are you voting gkrieg" meaningfully if I asked it now? Do you think I would consider the answer meaningful?

Why are you voting gkrieg?

[jotheonah]

You seem to agree with this even though it has been proven factually wrong. Why?

Even though it was wrong, it did capture my general feelings about the town role vs the scum role. I enjoy them both, but lying all the time is so much more work and more exhausting.

It's not so much the uncertainty I enjoy as that I find genuine interactions very freeing. And in the traitor role my interactions were genuine -- I basically played the game like I was town and tried to forget who my partners were as much as possible. And that was totally up to me because I didn't have to worry about them giving me away. In fact, I did too good a job because they tried to kill me when it would have been way better to try to kill town!

I didn't really even notice the inaccuracy until it was pointed out because the overall idea still felt right to me. But, yeah, it was actually not really right.

Idk, I'd love to sit here and talk theory all day but idk that it's a very productive street.

[faust]

Idk, I'd love to sit here and talk theory all day but idk that it's a very productive street.

Well, you are free to do with your time as you wish. It is your choice to not interact with anything in the game that doesn't directly relate to you.