Okay so Gkrieg
First post:
Well there is no WW to vote for so I guess
vote: e. Clear partner interactions there
Come on people.
Actually, I don't particularly remember joke-cracking Gkrieg. Noted.
Some comment on RR meta, says he likes Teproc, says ADK is making sense. More meta:
Vote: Roadrunner7671
I'm sort of feeling that, but from his meta it seems like a bad idea.
I agree with this here. He seems very well within his meta here.
I do not like this. RR's meta is to be weird for quite a while until things become more apparent later on. This is to early to town read RR. Elaborates:
Vote: Roadrunner7671
I'm sort of feeling that, but from his meta it seems like a bad idea.
I agree with this here. He seems very well within his meta here.
Was Roadrunner7671 "well within" his town meta in the below post? (you appeared slightly perturbed):
I misread ADK's post but I'm not gonna unvote.
Wait what?
He hates voting so him leaving his RVS vote is well within his town meta. We have mislynched him way too many times recently
Hyperbolizing. Rereads Seprix:
Seprix reread:
RVS vote
makes some jokes then asks Awaclus to explain his vote
more jokes, and throws some dominion stuff in there
says that asking Awaclus was worth a shot, and that he doesn't want to put more energy into it
attempts three times to vote for Melis because of his early reads list
says that for WIFOM reasons Melis might open this way as scum
warns about Awaclus
says that he doesn't like the forced reads to get out of RVS
says he wants to vote for Melis twice
says once again that he really doesn't like the reads list of Melis. I kinda agree with him here that the reads list could have been taken as serious and actually gave him a lot of towncred regardless of whether it was real or not for some reason.
gives some setup talk where he says we are either multiball, or a 4-person scum team. I think Mistborn Mafia was this size and it had a 5-person mafia team, but we kept thinking it was multiball. I wouldn't discount a large mafia team until we see otherwise.
says he thinks RVS is over
claims an ADK/Melis scum team but then doesn't want to express a case
Has a post where he says that he townreads Melis because he is too scummy to be scum. There is also some other great content in this post
unvotes Melis and gives him a D1 pass
votes ADK because ADK says that there is a scum motivation for making someone defensive. I agree with Seprix here. I don't think there is a scum motivation for attacking someone. Usually you want to hide in the shadows while two other townies fight. Especially in a game this large where you will have townies fight.
points out the inconsistency with ADK's logic
Overall I don't get why people are voting for Seprix. I think he is honestly looking for scum. He is rereading when appropriate, trying to make valid cases on people, and his responses have obviously been genuine.
Plays a bit of soft defense. I'm mostly bothered that everything so far is reactive instead of proactive. ADK reread follows:
ADK reread:
first post is voting for Seprix for trying to keep us in RVS
says he doesn't think Melis's reads were contrived
votes Teproc because of his townread on him
says it isn't risky to vote someone who looks like they have reads early
says again that he is suspicious of townreads on him from others early on
when asked which of the reads didn't look contrived, he responded "I mostly like that you were voting for Awaclus"
Says that is because of Awa's meta
wants the Seprix/Melis fight to continue
Says there is scum motivation for what Seprix did in trying to stop people from having reads. I don't agree (as I stated in the Seprix reread) that scum really tries to do this. Maybe in a 9-person game, but much less here.
says his reaction to Seprix's post was honest. I agree that his tone did seem genuine
says that his reasons for voting Seprix seemed fine at the time
says he has changed his read on Seprix and becomes very defensive about it
says that he doesn't agree with the votes on Seprix after all the backlash he got for scum reading him early. This looks like one of two things: a natural progression of a read on someone who had a lot of posts, or scum trying to make it look like a natural progression of a read. I would say it looks more like the former
Overall he seems genuine. I feel like scum!ADK is usually easy to spot later on in the game. I think he is trying to move the gane along so he comes out on the townie side of null. I definitely understand the votes on him though.
Seems hedgey. Some more talk on not-particularly-relevant-to-this-game-stuff (meta, theory). Has he voted for anyone yet? I think it was only the RVS vote on e.
In general I think RRR is one of the easiest players to recognize as town. So if we mislynch him we're dumb, as Teproc said.
However, I do on fact lean town on RRR right now, though not very high confidence yet. Reads post incoming somewhat soon with explanations...
I think RR has become one of the hardest people for me to read now because he has stopped doing a lot of the newbie things that he started out doing.
But he's well within his town meta!
Posts about not being in the game yet, promises to go on the offensive eventually.
vote: Seprix
Starting my reread and this stuck out to me. It seems very late to the party when the momentum for the wagon had already left. Also e tends to be more verbose and giving out town reads. I want to vote e, but I already think I am.
Finds a reason to make his RVS vote on e a kind of real one. I don't like this.
By the way : Melisandre, could you get a signature, or personal text, or something ? As has been pointed out, we have no special feature for specifically looking at one player's post, and there's nothing I can Ctrl+F to isolate your posts right now (because "pawn" is in "silverspawn" and "posts: 1" also triggers Hydrad, e etc.).
Amended.
Thanks !
So, you're opening the game with a huge reads list, and accusing people voting for you of trying too hard to be towny ? You do see the irony there right ? More importantly, I'm curious how your games usually start : people taking strong stances on small things is the essence of day 1 mafia.
"accusing people" - only Seprix. But we got to the bottom of his scum-read. Please read Post #301. I could not see the forced-reads/bad-scum angle on Page 1-RVS. If I'd presented the same hollow/unsupported/naked readslist on this page - I think Seprix may have had an argument.
Obviously I read it, I see it as Seprix exaggerating his instinctual read (that your post was scummy) to move the game along, which is townie in my book. What I find amusing/hypocritical is the whole "LAMIS" thing, because that term completely applies to your first few posts.
ADK is obvtown already, this is going great.
What's your take on the ADK-hate since making this early comment?
Do you think the scum-case/suspicion on ADK is reachy/tangible/weak/healthy-paranoia?
Of those, I'll got with "healthy-paranoia". More precisely, "early active player syndrome". Anyone who is active early willreceive suspicion because that's how the game gets started : you can only find people scummy if they post, and moreso if they post things of substance (I'm talking early game here). I don't agree with those people, but their votes seem fine, except for j-reggie, which gets us to...
When silver and ADK were voting for me he criticized that and threw suspicion on both, though he focused more on ADK.
Just re-reading that passage now...
Is this what you meant: 'Scum-J Reggie jumped on the town-players scum-reading town-you'? (Motivation: town-cred?)
Close. While I think ADK is town, I try to avoid arguments that are contingent on multiple alignments. It's more that I think J-Reggie saw a succession of two votes on someone, and did the apparently reasonable thing (I guess you'd call it LAMIST) of siding against them. It's just that his reaction to those votes felt forced : he had to do something because he was here, so he did that.
I like this case from teproc
(I added what I think is the correct quoting and finished the truncated sentence.) This is interesting; Teproc kind of criticizing Meli for the same thing that I just brought up. I'm finding myself agreeing with Teproc a lot... I swear I hadn't seen this before. On the Gkrieg side, more reaction and not proaction.
Following posts: doesn't like Haddock's poor reason for townreading Meli, which is fair. Continues to scumread (well, he says 'bad') e for e not posting meaningful stuff (also fair, but also consistent). Says a post by Jan feels off. I don't know why he says this:
Melisandre/Seprix reads good and involved.
fonti being a copycat is kinda boring.
Her pointing out the rolehunting and the adk thing read towny.
i need some sort of reason for the liopoil thing, because that guy is not towny in my book.
i will do one better :
Vote: liopoil
I think silver involvement and him trying to guide with helping with metareads is kind of towny?!
I can see him faking this as scum, because if he doesn't do it someone else will, but in the end the people who don't have meta infos might look scummy for pushing on people who look scummy but are well in their town meta.
I also have a few rolereads if people are interested.
I don't know why but there just seems like there is something off in this post, but I can't quite put my finger on it
Post seems okay to me. Some mis-posting but ultimately wants to say he doesn't like Lio voting for Teproc (thanks <3), also questions Lio. Doesn't change votes, though.
this reread seems scummy to me
This is apparently a Silverspawn post. I don't feel up to reading it.
Says he likes Teproc (<3) and Haddock, comments that Ichi hasn't done anything memorable. Says Awaclus is classic Awaclus. First time he's mentioned Awaclus I think.. I think there are a number of players he hasn't said much at all on at this point. Maybe only one or two posts (the Silver thing was the first about Silver, I think). A little low on activity for Gkrieg.
First vote change:
I haven't had enough time recently for this game with moving and stuff. Of the two larger wagons, I would rather go liopoil based on what I remember from this game. Neither of lio and Jan stuck out as super townie/don't want to lynch, and more of my town reads are on the lio wagon.
Busyness should decrease by the start of the next day
vote: liopoil
Is gone for a bit, comes back and says he'd be okay with Seprix, but prefers Lio. Doesn't try to bring up e again.
Hydrad seems like a no information lynch
This looks bad, given that Hydraguana was scum. Leaves vote on Lio, Awaclus ends up getting lynched.
Brings us to the end of Day 1. Gkreig was gone/VLA for some of the day, which could be why he seems less present. Overall, things I found scummy:
1) Does early 'rereads' of Seprix and ADK while they are getting a good deal of attention from anyone, but no others. Feels a little like a reaction from the need to have an opinion on what's going on, but he doesn't, so he reads to formulate one.
2) Pretty consistent with reads. RVS voted e lasted almost the entire day, became a 'real vote' by him pointing out something scummy e did. Called Lio scummy mid way through the day, moved his vote to Lio wIhen lynch was possible. Only ever voted twice, I think, one RVS and one Lio. Town reads were pretty consistent as well. Overall it doesn't feel like a lot of critical thinking from someone trying to figure out who scum is.
3) More reactive than proactive.
4) Pretty strong townreads early (e.g., RR)
I would have suggested lynching Day 1.
Day 2:
Says Teproc was town from D1 (<3). Rereads end of D1 because he was gone in
this postMore townie on RR. Calls Lio scummy, calls JReggie scummy, analyzes Lio wagon. I suppose the idea here is did scum deflect from partner!Lio to get a different lynch? Fair enough. Or maybe that's not his idea.. I'm not sure what the conclusion from the analysis is.
Talks about his vote on Lio towards the end of D1, gives reasoning in response to Meli questioning.
Votes Lio in the following post. Considers Seprix/Lio scum team, shows some evidence of going back and forth on it, goes town on Meli, stays town on RR, says IG kill was weird. Also summarizes his reads for people on the Awaclus wagon, which is quesitoned and explained:
Awaclus (9): Seprix, silverspawn, liopoil, Haddock, A Drowned Kernel, Roadrunner7671, fontisian, Ichimaru Gin, Jan. That's the final Awaclus wagon. so if I color it, I get Awaclus (9): Seprix, silverspawn, liopoil, Haddock, A Drowned Kernel, Roadrunner7671, fontisian, Ichimaru Gin, Jan, which looks about right for the wagon.
What is that based on?
Also idk if I'm that good of a scum player. I got lynched pretty easily in Fruit Ninja Mafia which is my most recent scum game.
Well most of them are pretty obvious. Seprix and lio are scum, IG was town and I have a town read on ADK and RR. You and fonti look like possible partners for the lio/Seprix team and Jan is null and Haddock is slight town
Moves on to reread from D2:
Likes Teproc post (heart etc.), JReggie post scummy, says Iguana is hard to read (Iguana just subbed in) but his initial reaction is townie, questions J Reggie for voting Teproc, says a Seprix post is strange, criticizes Seprix case on Teproc.
More rereading:
Says e post is mega scummy, finds a post from e that looks less scummy, questions Haddock, wants to lynch Seprix (still voting Lio though I think).
Reads list:
So reads list:
Town:
Melisandre
Roadrunner7671
Slight Town
Teproc
A Drowned Kernel
Null
iguanaiguana
Jan
Slight Scum
fontisian
silverspawn
J Reggie
Haddock
Scum:
liopoil
Seprix
2.71828.....
So I think rereads should probably start with Teproc and ADK to see if I can put them in a stronger town category.
Then go to the slight scums
Then to the scums to make cases.
Well this could have been made by three-IRL-days-into-Day-1!Gkrieg. And he seems to intend to go reread with confirmation bias. I don't particularly like this, but I'm not sure scum actually wants to go out and say this. Funny that I remember looking at his subsequent rereads in the speccy and thinking they had a lot of confirmation bias, without having read this post.
So rereads Teproc and ADK, and strengthens town read as expected. Rereads Iguana
here, says he is slightly townie.
Rereads e, ends up being less scummy on e than before, but still thinks he's scum.
I'm going to go ahead and post this now because of continued risk of losing everything.
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