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Re: Newbie Mafia 7: Fish Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #500 on: November 17, 2014, 12:53:29 am »

Actually I thought about this in the tub and unvote
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Re: Newbie Mafia 7: Fish Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #501 on: November 17, 2014, 12:54:36 am »

vote: awaclus

Now it goes like Scummy: awaclus>hugo>qvist>hydrad>andrew>silverspawn
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Re: Newbie Mafia 7: Fish Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #502 on: November 17, 2014, 12:59:39 am »

Vote Count 2.5:

Qvist (2): AndrewisFTTW, silverspawn
Hugovj (1): Awaclus
Awaclus (1): ADK

Not voting (3): Qvist, Hugovj, Hydrad

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Day 2 will end at 4:00 p.m. on November 19, 2014.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 7: Fish Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #503 on: November 17, 2014, 07:14:41 am »

Awaclus gives a non-committal post on the experienced vs. newbie issue, then votes Hydrad for being the first poster. This post looks a little scummy to me.

Another super-hedgey post from Awaclus, and another jokey vote. More scum points.

And he pre-emptively gives himself and excuse to make bad arguments. Ugh.

This is so hedgey it has leaves growing on it.

You're the hedge-enomy. You're a hedge-case. That's one way to get ahedge.

Well, I can see how pre-emptively giving myself an excuse to make bad arguments would be a scum thing to do, but the thing is, it wasn't an excuse to make bad arguments, it's actually true. But the other posts you linked, what about them in particular makes them look scummy to you?

I remember having to ask this question about Hydrad too. You seem to have a habit of accusing people of being hedgey, nervous or whatever without explaining the reasons why you think that way, and I find it pretty annoying, because then I can't really explain why I disagree with your reasoning. Well, even if your reasoning is actually good and something that I could agree with (doesn't apply here for obvious reasons), I can't do that unless I know what it is.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 7: Fish Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #504 on: November 17, 2014, 08:20:32 am »

Your point about vets is interesting. just to be clear, which players do you consider vets? Hugo probably has played more games than I have.

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Re: Newbie Mafia 7: Fish Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #505 on: November 17, 2014, 10:18:17 am »

vote: awaclus

Now it goes like Scummy: awaclus>hugo>qvist>hydrad>andrew>silverspawn

Why the sudden change?
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Re: Newbie Mafia 7: Fish Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #506 on: November 17, 2014, 10:25:55 am »

vote: awaclus

Now it goes like Scummy: awaclus>hugo>qvist>hydrad>andrew>silverspawn

Why the sudden change?

Reasons.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 7: Fish Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #507 on: November 17, 2014, 10:30:35 am »

explaining yourself is scummy after all

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Re: Newbie Mafia 7: Fish Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #508 on: November 17, 2014, 10:33:18 am »

Your point about vets is interesting. just to be clear, which players do you consider vets? Hugo probably has played more games than I have.

I'd consider you, me, andrew, Hydrad, and possibly Qvist "vets". Hugo's played Werewolf but there's a big, big difference between playing this game face-to-face and playing it online.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 7: Fish Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #509 on: November 17, 2014, 10:34:32 am »

I thought about things and think that Andrew's probably town. I think there's likely one scum between awaclus and Hugo. That's where I'm at.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 7: Fish Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #510 on: November 17, 2014, 04:49:02 pm »

I'm very, very sorry for my absence the last week. Tomorrow I'll make a good post. Promise.

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Re: Newbie Mafia 7: Fish Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #511 on: November 18, 2014, 03:22:06 am »

I quickly went again over some of the past pages. My conclusions:
silverspawn and Andrew are currently my town reads. Hydrad is still likely town.
So, I would be tempted to vote for anyone else.

Hugo: The only town cred he has is his "town slip" which could totally be staged which is not that unlikely at that point in time.
Awaclus: His still is a little bit scummy to me for the reasons I already mentioned. He dropped just some weird lines.
ADK: This is more of a gut feeling than anything else. He is just playing so "passive", maybe I was just expecting something else.

My top vote is currently Vote: Hugovj

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Re: Newbie Mafia 7: Fish Mafia (Day 1)
« Reply #512 on: November 18, 2014, 03:24:24 am »

Vote Count 2.6:

Qvist (2): AndrewisFTTW, silverspawn
Hugovj (2): Awaclus, Qvist
Awaclus (1): ADK

Not voting (2): Hugovj, Hydrad

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Day 2 will end at 4:00 p.m. on November 19, 2014.

That's in 36 hours or so.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 7: Fish Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #513 on: November 18, 2014, 03:58:00 am »

Why the sudden change?

Reasons.

I must have missed this. Wow, really? You're not even trying, are you?

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Re: Newbie Mafia 7: Fish Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #514 on: November 18, 2014, 07:12:59 am »

Hmm ADK brought up some good points. I think my top 2 to lynch right now would be hugo/qvist. awaclus is moving up there in my scum reads but I like the others more then him. Right now I like qvist the most still.

Vote: Qvist This is L-1.
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Re: Newbie Mafia 7: Fish Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #515 on: November 18, 2014, 07:21:52 am »

well I'm not gonna hammer.

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Re: Newbie Mafia 7: Fish Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #516 on: November 18, 2014, 07:22:38 am »

... yet.

though actually, the deadline is tomorrow. huh. this day feels short.

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Re: Newbie Mafia 7: Fish Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #517 on: November 18, 2014, 10:03:14 am »

... yet.

though actually, the deadline is tomorrow. huh. this day feels short.
To me too. No idea why.

So, I'm going to reread Qvist's posts to see whether he deserves to be on L-1 (and whether I should hammer or not)
So, the beginning. First post:
As no one really died in the first night, it's hard to draw conclusions right now. We can now only random vote and wait until somebody slips.
And then he random votes for Hydrad

This is a pretty weird post to me. I really feel like this is a post to discourage too much discussion and just vote, especially because we are playing Newbie Mafia, so maybe someone is gullible and listens to this advice.

This is definitely to early to risk a hammer on Hydrad. Unvote

I agree with Andrew that all the talk about lynching someone who is a veteran player might be strategically reasonable is nonsense. We should just focus in finding out who is mafia and lynch him.

I'm interested in seeing what happens though, so vote: Hydrad and now it's L-2 unless I'm mistaken.

Why should we already test out what happens? Not everybody has even posted here yet. We should wait.
Firstly, and I've said this before, this is a rather strange unvote. Hydrad was a L-2, so no really big deal yet, and this seems really like Qvist is a bit shocked about the votes on Hydrad, and does not want to look scummy.
Besides, again Qvist tries to reduce the discussion and insists on waiting. This is particularly scummy to me, because the scum might be a bit scared of a slip.

Qvist makes a post mainly reacting to others.
Also, he says ADK may be right about me being town.

Then he is in a discussion with Awaclus about Awaclus saying he trusts Qvist. That's towny to me.

After that he is back with his vote on Hydrad.
Vote: Hydrad again because I think we all agreed that we still have enough time to analyze the behaviour and wait for slips, but now he puts (or believe he had put) Andrew at L-1. That's totally unreasonable.
Funnily he seems to have lost his fear of L-2 at this stage, but yeah, that's not really relevant I think.

He then proceeds to attack Hydrad.

He then mentions his reads so far. He suspects Hydrad and Awaclus, and has a town read on all the others.
Also, he says it's day one and he doesn't know very well what to talk about. This is post #298. There has been quite some discussion before this point. Surely there was something to talk about..

He wants to hear a full claim. Can't blame him for that, as I did the same. Still scummy though.

And now comes something quite strange. This post:
Regarding the town slip of Hugo: ADK was pointing it out, twice!

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This quote is his second time, bold added. It could very well be that ADK and Hugo are a scum team and ADK is indeed the vet who coached Hugo to fake a town slip just to point it out by himself.
Huh? But before you said I was probably town, thanks to ADK pointing this out. I really do not understand where this change came from, or why it has to be made so late on a day. Nobody said this before him. He didn't do a full reread. So where did this come from?

His new conclusion, includes Awaclus and ADK as weak scum reads. That's pretty reasonable.

He has only said something 'today' about being suspicious not voting. Not really interesting.

This all together adds up to a scum read for Qvist from me. But, that's not the most important thing to be said for a Qvist-is-scum-case. It is the way he posts. He often posts one sentence accompanied with a quote. Maybe two. He selects tiny bits of discussion and reacts to them. This is an ideal scum strategy I think. You are saying 'I'm active, look, I've read this post', but at the same time, you're not adding much to the discussion.

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Re: Newbie Mafia 7: Fish Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #518 on: November 18, 2014, 10:06:53 am »

Oh, very sorry, Qvist hás posted 'today'. Now I'm his most likely scum read? I wasn't even featured on his previous analysis? While, everything he is accusing me of has happened before 'today', so I totally should have been on that analysis. This is very, very weird.

By the way, he isn't on L-1, right? I think he's on L-2. Let me check that.

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Re: Newbie Mafia 7: Fish Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #519 on: November 18, 2014, 10:11:27 am »

Yep, he is. Well, he is now.

Vote: Qvist

This is the L-1.

And ADK, I've played werewolf online before. Like... About 100 games? So, yeah. I'm new to you guys and to the style of voting and tactics behind that, but not new to the evil vs. good concept.

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Re: Newbie Mafia 7: Fish Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #520 on: November 18, 2014, 10:19:22 am »

JIKES! I think you just derphammered Qvist

Quote from: last votecount
Qvist (2): AndrewisFTTW, silverspawn

then Hydrad voted
Then you voted

2+2 =  4

we need 4 for a lynch.

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Re: Newbie Mafia 7: Fish Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #521 on: November 18, 2014, 10:20:06 am »

I guess this is my fault also because I didn't even realize my vote was still on him. But I did state the intention not to hammer.

unvote anyway, but I think it's too late

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Re: Newbie Mafia 7: Fish Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #522 on: November 18, 2014, 10:21:46 am »

I take it this was not intentional?

Also Qvist (and anyone else), any last words? I have no idea how long Twilight will last. probably until a mod comes back.

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Re: Newbie Mafia 7: Fish Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #523 on: November 18, 2014, 10:24:14 am »

sigh well this is surely not the worst lynch, and we may have ended up doing it anyway, but still, derphammering like that is not good.

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Re: Newbie Mafia 7: Fish Mafia (Day 2)
« Reply #524 on: November 18, 2014, 10:25:34 am »

Oh dear. Yes, I did. I can't count. I was counting to five, not four. I wanted Qvist to be able to defend himself...
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