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Author Topic: DoMafia I: It Depends on the Kingdom: GAME OVER! FLAWLESS TOWN WIN (sort of)!  (Read 115483 times)

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Re: DoMafia I: It Depends on the Kingdom: (Day 4) PM for Spectator QT
« Reply #1100 on: December 13, 2012, 04:43:13 pm »

(I'm not asking you to claim what card he passed you, if any)
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Re: DoMafia I: It Depends on the Kingdom: (Day 4) PM for Spectator QT
« Reply #1101 on: December 13, 2012, 04:50:30 pm »

Frisk, joth:  if I can prove from the data we've gathered so far that Qvist had to have drafted both Treasure Maps, should I demonstrate it?  Or should we still wait for Young Nick?
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Re: DoMafia I: It Depends on the Kingdom: (Day 4) PM for Spectator QT
« Reply #1102 on: December 13, 2012, 04:50:49 pm »

joth, when Dsell played Masquerade on you during Night 1 and made you "pass" him a card from your hand, did he "pass" you a card from his hand?  Did he select which card was "passed" out of your hand, or did you?

He passed me a card. I can't say whether the card I passed him was his choice or whether it was random, but I can say definitively that I did not get to choose it.
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Re: DoMafia I: It Depends on the Kingdom: (Day 4) PM for Spectator QT
« Reply #1103 on: December 13, 2012, 04:52:48 pm »

Frisk, joth:  if I can prove from the data we've gathered so far that Qvist had to have drafted both Treasure Maps, should I demonstrate it?  Or should we still wait for Young Nick?

I'm pretty sure that Qvist did in fact draft both treasure maps. Lying about it is impossible, because you can be called out on your BS immediately.

I'm pretty sure that YN is scum, but if he wants to keep pretending like he isn't, I'll humor him.
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Re: DoMafia I: It Depends on the Kingdom: (Day 4) PM for Spectator QT
« Reply #1104 on: December 13, 2012, 04:53:12 pm »

Frisk, joth:  if I can prove from the data we've gathered so far that Qvist had to have drafted both Treasure Maps, should I demonstrate it?  Or should we still wait for Young Nick?

I'm pretty sure that Qvist did in fact draft both treasure maps. Lying about it is impossible, because you can be called out on your BS immediately.

I'm pretty sure that YN is scum, but if he wants to keep pretending like he isn't, I'll humor him.

Mainly because I think Voltgloss is scum

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Re: DoMafia I: It Depends on the Kingdom: (Day 4) PM for Spectator QT
« Reply #1105 on: December 13, 2012, 04:55:05 pm »

Mainly because I think Voltgloss is scum

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Re: DoMafia I: It Depends on the Kingdom: (Day 4) PM for Spectator QT
« Reply #1106 on: December 13, 2012, 04:58:32 pm »

Mainly because I think Voltgloss is scum

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Maybe you should read before you sub in.

Once again you lurked through most of the game.  You've also admitted to lying.  If there was any chance that this was bastard mod, I'd vote you in a heartbeat!
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Re: DoMafia I: It Depends on the Kingdom: (Day 4) PM for Spectator QT
« Reply #1107 on: December 13, 2012, 04:59:43 pm »

But really, I'm just always coming up with crazy conspiracy theories.  The answer is that DSell didn't play tactician because it's obvbad for scum.  Ditto for YN.
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Re: DoMafia I: It Depends on the Kingdom: (Day 4) PM for Spectator QT
« Reply #1108 on: December 13, 2012, 05:01:05 pm »

Frisk, joth:  if I can prove from the data we've gathered so far that Qvist had to have drafted both Treasure Maps, should I demonstrate it?  Or should we still wait for Young Nick?

I'm pretty sure that Qvist did in fact draft both treasure maps. Lying about it is impossible, because you can be called out on your BS immediately.

Yeah.  As long as scum aren't sitting next to each other (which thankfully didn't happen here), the only way they can lie about the drafting process is to claim some imaginary card was their "first draft" pick, when in fact that was their scumpromo.  Like Dsell's imaginary Philosopher's Stone.

Of Qvist's claimed hand, the Outpost, Masquerade, and both Treasure Maps went through town players (me and/or Frisk).  So we know they exist and reached Qvist during drafting.  The only "imaginary" card he could claim would be his Navigator.  But Navigator was played.  And no one else saw a copy of Navigator during anywhere else in the drafting process.  So because Navigator did exist, and the only time it could have been drafted was Qvist's first-round pick, that must have been his first-round pick.

This, to me, writes Qvist off the list of scumspects.  "Treasure Map" comment of Dsell's notwithstanding.  (Incidentally, scum knew at least one Treasure Map existed because it was drafted through cayvie.)

That leaves ash and Young Nick, and Young Nick is vastly scummier, so I think he's the right lynch today with ash tomorrow if needed. 
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Re: DoMafia I: It Depends on the Kingdom: (Day 4) PM for Spectator QT
« Reply #1109 on: December 13, 2012, 05:01:37 pm »

But really, I'm just always coming up with crazy conspiracy theories.  The answer is that DSell didn't play tactician because it's obvbad for scum.  Ditto for YN.

Yup.  Ockham's Razor.  It worked for you in M-XV, and I think it works for us here.

I'm thinking of voting.  Gonna go check the count.
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Re: DoMafia I: It Depends on the Kingdom: (Day 4) PM for Spectator QT
« Reply #1110 on: December 13, 2012, 05:02:20 pm »

But really, I'm just always coming up with crazy conspiracy theories.  The answer is that DSell didn't play tactician because it's obvbad for scum.  Ditto for YN.

I mean YN is at L1. As most of you now see that I was in fact not lying, I suggest that somebody hammers him. joth should probably use his vig tonight, maybe Voltgloss.

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Re: DoMafia I: It Depends on the Kingdom: (Day 4) PM for Spectator QT
« Reply #1111 on: December 13, 2012, 05:03:55 pm »

I mean YN is at L1. As most of you now see that I was in fact not lying, I suggest that somebody hammers him. joth should probably use his vig tonight, maybe Voltgloss.

I've made my position clear as to why I think joth should not vig.  Ultimately his call though.
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Re: DoMafia I: It Depends on the Kingdom: (Day 4) PM for Spectator QT
« Reply #1112 on: December 13, 2012, 05:05:59 pm »

I think YN is at L-2.  Qvist and joth's votes.  Mod, can we get a current votecount please?
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Re: DoMafia I: It Depends on the Kingdom: (Day 4) PM for Spectator QT
« Reply #1113 on: December 13, 2012, 05:06:17 pm »

I'm sure you answered this elsewhere - but what did "you" do on N2 Volt?
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Re: DoMafia I: It Depends on the Kingdom: (Day 4) PM for Spectator QT
« Reply #1114 on: December 13, 2012, 05:06:29 pm »

Joth should not vig.
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Re: DoMafia I: It Depends on the Kingdom: (Day 4) PM for Spectator QT
« Reply #1115 on: December 13, 2012, 05:06:50 pm »

I'm sure you answered this elsewhere - but what did "you" do on N2 Volt?

Absolutely nothing.  THAT'S OUR MORGRIM~!
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Re: DoMafia I: It Depends on the Kingdom: (Day 4) PM for Spectator QT
« Reply #1116 on: December 13, 2012, 05:07:24 pm »

We have 7 alive now.  Thats 2 mislynches.

If we vig wrong... then we're down to 4 people alive.  We should still win, but I'd rather have 2 nights to use powers than only 1.
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Re: DoMafia I: It Depends on the Kingdom: (Day 4) PM for Spectator QT
« Reply #1117 on: December 13, 2012, 05:08:11 pm »

Did qvist detail what the treasure maps did?   LIke actually quote ?
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Re: DoMafia I: It Depends on the Kingdom: (Day 4) PM for Spectator QT
« Reply #1118 on: December 13, 2012, 05:08:23 pm »

Potential gamebreaking strategy on Day 2:  All players play their "first-round draft pick" card on Night 1, and then fullclaim their drafting decisions on Day 2. 
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Re: DoMafia I: It Depends on the Kingdom: (Day 4) PM for Spectator QT
« Reply #1119 on: December 13, 2012, 05:09:00 pm »

Did qvist detail what the treasure maps did?   LIke actually quote ?

I don't recall him giving an exact quote.  Qvist, could you oblige us?
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Re: DoMafia I: It Depends on the Kingdom: (Day 4) PM for Spectator QT
« Reply #1120 on: December 13, 2012, 05:09:07 pm »

I mean YN is at L1. As most of you now see that I was in fact not lying, I suggest that somebody hammers him. joth should probably use his vig tonight, maybe Voltgloss.

I've made my position clear as to why I think joth should not vig.  Ultimately his call though.

Sorry, I might have forgotten this. Can you quote what you are refering to?

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Re: DoMafia I: It Depends on the Kingdom: (Day 4) PM for Spectator QT
« Reply #1121 on: December 13, 2012, 05:09:14 pm »

Potential gamebreaking strategy on Day 2:  All players play their "first-round draft pick" card on Night 1, and then fullclaim their drafting decisions on Day 2.

I think full claiming on day 1 would have done it.
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Re: DoMafia I: It Depends on the Kingdom: (Day 4) PM for Spectator QT
« Reply #1122 on: December 13, 2012, 05:09:37 pm »

Qvist - give us the exact text on treasure map please.
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Re: DoMafia I: It Depends on the Kingdom: (Day 4) PM for Spectator QT
« Reply #1123 on: December 13, 2012, 05:10:15 pm »

Did qvist detail what the treasure maps did?   LIke actually quote ?

I don't recall him giving an exact quote.  Qvist, could you oblige us?

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Re: DoMafia I: It Depends on the Kingdom: (Day 4) PM for Spectator QT
« Reply #1124 on: December 13, 2012, 05:11:15 pm »

I mean YN is at L1. As most of you now see that I was in fact not lying, I suggest that somebody hammers him. joth should probably use his vig tonight, maybe Voltgloss.

I've made my position clear as to why I think joth should not vig.  Ultimately his call though.

Sorry, I might have forgotten this. Can you quote what you are refering to?

Frisk just restated it.  With 7 alive, we can afford 2 mislynches.  joth vigging drops us down to being able to afford only 1 mislynch if his vig hits town.  (And scum could be sitting on a redirect power that could manipulate joth's vig.)
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