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[Swowl]

I guess it is a perspective thing. Last game I knew I was skum so in my head I was not playing straightforward.
But I see your point. If there is something you find that you would like justified or explained please just let me know. Best way to create a dialog to reference for later skum hunting is to post in the actual thread among one and other.

[SpaceAnemone]

You gonna vote?

I thought about it but no.

Who did you think about voting for?

SA and Qvist crossed my mind, but there's no point.

Hey, picking a fellow VLA person to park a vote on might not be your best plan.

In other news, I'm back in the UK now! Let's see how far I get with a re-read before being too sleepy..

[2.71828.....]

So.... what's going on?

[SpaceAnemone]

Or 2 others could have bid on the same number purposefully or wait. They could just claim the same number even. As long as we don't have order numbers.
Also claiming bids before orders seems just wrong as the others can just lie.
If we claim, we have to do it the other way around as this at least assures that people don't lie. Unless I am missing something.
But not sure I like any claim at the moment.

Yes, please lie lots, scums. We will not at all use your claimed bids to catch you out in those lies. Like, no chance! :-)

(You're missing that the fact we have a check-and-balance system with the order and the secret numbers we each bid to end up in that order means that we can easily catch scum out in a lie. It worked beautifully in M100!)

[Qvist]

What did I miss SpaceAnemone? Is that not exactly what I said?

[Witherweaver]

I'd be willing to do e's claim plan.

[Roadrunner7671]

Datswan's vote for me right after I voted for him is skummy and I don't like it.

[Swowl]

Datswan's vote for me right after I voted for him is skummy and I don't like it.

RoadRunner's vote for me with no reason is skummy and I don't like it

[Roadrunner7671]

Datswan's vote for me right after I voted for him is skummy and I don't like it.

RoadRunner's vote for me with no reason is skummy and I don't like it

So you react by OMGUSing me? Seems...sub optimal.

And why would you assume there's no reason behind my vote?

[Swowl]

Datswan's vote for me right after I voted for him is skummy and I don't like it.

RoadRunner's vote for me with no reason is skummy and I don't like it

So you react by OMGUSing me? Seems...sub optimal.

And why would you assume there's no reason behind my vote?

Yes. I thought there was no reason because.... you didn't give one. In my limited previous history with you, you contributed very little through the game and blank voted quite a few times. In that game you were skum. It seems similar to that game, so currently my vote sits on you.

Hope that helps clarify whatever in the world an OMGUS is

[Roadrunner7671]

It's where you voted for me because I voted for you, and you seem to be trying to justify it. Call it confirmation bias, but I got my eye on you DatSwan!

[Galzria]

Vote: DatSwan

Because you gave so very much reason yourself. Obviously he should've deduced your great and phenomenal reasoning from such a detailed post.

[Galzria]

And why would you assume there's no reason behind my vote?

[Roadrunner7671]

Vote: DatSwan

Because you gave so very much reason yourself. Obviously he should've deduced your great and phenomenal reasoning from such a detailed post.

just because someone doesn't give reasons doesn't mean there's no reasons. Why would I vote for someone if it was based on nothing?

[Swowl]

Thanks for that (no sarcasm, didn't know).

And I don't think it is fair to say I am "justifying". You said something I did seemed skummy, so I responded to it. Also, I did vote for you because you voted for me....kinda....It just happened to be that the reason I thought to vote for you was the blank vote you cast. It just so happened the blank vote was for me. You could of done it for anyone at this point in the game, my action would not of changed.

[Galzria]

Vote: DatSwan

Because you gave so very much reason yourself. Obviously he should've deduced your great and phenomenal reasoning from such a detailed post.

just because someone doesn't give reasons doesn't mean there's no reasons. Why would I vote for someone if it was based on nothing?

Alright, let's take a look at RR's last few games

M107, town: First vote at #67, his second post of the game. Votes again in his second burst of posts, and then again in his third.

M105, scum: Two votes in the whole day 1, the first RVS, the second literal minutes before deadline.

M103: Plenty of voting... I'd say town!RR's vote/post ratio is among the highest on f.ds here.

Don't feel like doing more work, I stand by my assertion.

vote: RR

[Roadrunner7671]

Right now I feel like I don't have like a solid skum lead on anyone, so I am not going to cast a vote right this moment. If we still have no movement by tomorrow evening I will force out a chum2skum list and cast for the skummiest.

I voted for you because of this. Mafia knows who the other mafia are, so it's hard to vote and make reads n all that jazz.
PPE-Ugh I bet Galz is chewing me out

[Swowl]

Right now I feel like I don't have like a solid skum lead on anyone, so I am not going to cast a vote right this moment. If we still have no movement by tomorrow evening I will force out a chum2skum list and cast for the skummiest.

I voted for you because of this. Mafia knows who the other mafia are, so it's hard to vote and make reads n all that jazz.
PPE-Ugh I bet Galz is chewing me out

Well I appreciate you making it easier on me

[Galzria]

To be fair - yes, you don't need to post a reason when you vote. I had one for Eevee but didn't post it. That's not scummy. It's the timing and the way you handled it. You intentionally did NOT vote immediately after being called out by Teproc, but did so in your first post upon returning. Like you didn't want to be obvious about it but realized he had called out an accurate scum meta for you.

[Roadrunner7671]

To be fair - yes, you don't need to post a reason when you vote. I had one for Eevee but didn't post it. That's not scummy. It's the timing and the way you handled it. You intentionally did NOT vote immediately after being called out by Teproc, but did so in your first post upon returning. Like you didn't want to be obvious about it but realized he had called out an accurate scum meta for you.

Oh my gosh stoppppppppp I'm not scum

[Roadrunner7671]

Like I get that all yall are masterminds and stuff but if I start playing with a town meta than I need to take a break or change my mindset because there's no way I even want to be town read.

[Roadrunner7671]

Being obviously town isn't that fun. I was an IC once, once was enough. VT might even be my favorite role (not true), or at least a PR that isn't confirmable. If people could always read you and be like "oh, x y and z are town tells for RR and a b and c are scum tells" that's no fun. I guess the point of the game is to convince people you're town but I don't want to do that based on past games and meta and all those things. I'd much rather enter each game fresh and play it differently based on the setup, the people and what everyone's saying. So in short, whether or not you town read me doesn't even really matter. I care if you town read me, but you can make your own opinions based on whatever you want. They might be less accurate than they should be though.

[Witherweaver]

To be fair - yes, you don't need to post a reason when you vote. I had one for Eevee but didn't post it. That's not scummy. It's the timing and the way you handled it. You intentionally did NOT vote immediately after being called out by Teproc, but did so in your first post upon returning. Like you didn't want to be obvious about it but realized he had called out an accurate scum meta for you.

I like this post.

[Roadrunner7671]

I think it's pretty obvious that I'm having a major communication crisis, so we'll just see who calls it flailing.


We'll also see who points out that I do weird stuff similar to that whenever I'm town.

I don't think flailing as town should be a town tell for town RR.

Now we'll see who points out that I just 'denied' towncred and that a scum RR tell.

I don't think that should be a scum tell for RR.

Then we come back to this voting issue about how scum RR never votes. Clearly this isn't true but it'll always haunt me and lead to people mistrusting me ta LyLo so I'll accidentally lose the game because of how I've played as scum. Wouldn't that be what scum RR wants? Of course, I won't make it to LyLo because I'll do something else that gets chalked up as scummy and get lynched at some point or another. What a cycle.

[Roadrunner7671]

Okay, give me one more shot to try to explain what I’m thinking. So people scum read based on what has happened in past games. I understand this, it should work, it does work. The problem, though, is that I work against it in a way. I play each game differently, but people still try to analyze patterns in my play. Of course there are patterns in how I play, it’s impossible to do something completely different every time after you’ve done it for dozens of times. But the problem is that I try to change up, so I guess I don’t think past game analysis works very well with me?

Then there’s another part where I don’t want to care how people read me and I sort of just want to do my own thing, but I can’t win that way. Playing like that will, at some point, end with my lynch. It’s pretty much inevitable. Even if I just become a default lynch because of it. I cannot survive until the end of the game if I don’t care how people read me.

But then another issue is that RR wagons always spring up in like 6 hours, so by the time I can defend myself there’s already a wagon on me, so we’ll always remember that time 4 townies were voting for RR on D1, and this is basically a death sentence closer to LyLo.

But you can’t defend yourself before a wagon springs up, that’s being too worried and is seen as scummy. So what can I do? I can’t get read accurately but people still try, and I have to worry about what people think about me, but I can’t worry about it before I get voted for, so by the time I defend myself I’ve gotten a target for a lynch put on me for the rest of the game. So I can’t do anything.