Right. Let's just let totally scummy behavior get a complete pass and instead. Let's lynch the townies that are actually scum hunting and playing the game. Cause that is totally going to work.
Look at what Jake has done today and yesterday. Answer=nothing. Teproc, are you ok with Jake completely ignoring my questions to him? Is that something you are ok with letting pass?
I don't regulate people's play through lynches, I try to catch scum. I do not think Jake is scum.
Let's try and remember how Jake played in Fleetwood Mac. Oh, exactly in the same way, as town ! I think it's clear that what you're talking about is not alignment-indicative for Jake. Meanwhile, I think the way the end of D1 went (+ the NK) is indicative of both main wagons being town.
I am not regulating Jake's play through a lynch. I legitimately think he is scum. And if he isn't, he is a better lynch than another random townie at this point, but that certainly isn't a significant reason for why I am voting for him.
I disagree with your assessment Jake's play versus other games. I also don't take that into as much consideration as you do, I think, but I'll go ahead and show you what I mean.
Here are some prototypical posts from Jake's game today. Actually let's just do a random sampling. Promise this is random. out of 37 posts, let's pull 5.
21 (actually rolled 21 twice), 36, 29, 15, 13. Now putting them in order:
#13
I'll ask again: Is there a way to quote farther than 15 posts back that doesn't require copy/pasting from a second tab?
OK, TWM just read me like "Green Eggs & Ham", and is 100% correct. If he's not scum, then he's the best reader here from what I can tell. With regards to your eccentric, flamboyant, and excessive, I did post this early on:
if I was scum and reading that, I would think the weird new guy has a mental deficiency (which is probably true honestly).
so no disrespect perceived or taken.
Looking back in retrospect, there are a few ways people could've chosen to read me
a) They are actually Town, think I'm playing very un-townlike, so vote me
b) Town, think I'm playing very un-townlike, but leave me alone since they're not sure and I'm new
c) Scum, realize I'm an easy target, so vote me
d) Scum, realize I'm an easy target, but are incredibly confused by why I'm playing so awfully, so they leave me alone in order to gain townie credit later on after I'm a quick early lynch
I never expected e though: understand me better than I understand myself and give a perfect assessment. When I said I'm a bad liar before, I think I see why I believed (and still do) that to be the case: there's absolutely no way I could talk in the same manner as I am now if I was skum, even if I like to believe I could, and I really do think I would hush up a lot more. For the record, I may type in a way that attracts attention, as TWM points out, but trust me, I really hate attention. But I also hate empty words, which is why you won't see me making a whole lot of short posts, apologies to the impatient people amongst you.
I think the fact that I'm so...unconventional...is the reason why I suspect those whose who I agree with/agree with me, and trust those who suspect me.
And TWM, I can promise you won't be hanging your head in shame. I don't know if I can clear you just yet, a scum would know I'm town and would have an easier time figuring me out, but at the very least, you're getting a voting exemption from me for a while. I also hope I won't have to hang my head in shame.
This reads scummy to me. Vote: Skumpy
#15
Let's unvotefor now at least.
@Jake: How is TWM bein weird and why does that make you think he's town ?
Skumpy: Who do you think is scum ?
PPE: 2
He's null to me this game so far which is slightly wierd because I usually have a very strong read on him one way or another.
#21
regardless of who died at night (assumed it would be you, but didn't know).
Can you expand on that a bit ?
I assumed scum would shoot the IC
Why
#29
Reads so far
Scum
Skumpy
Galzria
X
Town
Teproc
TWM
Possible X's/ null
RR
Chairs
Andrew
Faust
Datswan
Xx
#36
Anyone else feel like Galz and TWM are teamed?
I feel like TWM is town.
I feel like this is pretty representative of Jake. One word answers. When he does talk it is short, simple, and frankly very mild mannered. He is keeping his cool, staying away from arguments, deliberately ignoring things people ask him. Isn't really doing much of anything.
Compare to M103 for your sake.
Taking 5 random posts from first two days. Out of 79 posts. 38, 15, 42, 43, 59
#15
Sometimes, Jake is actually scum.
Joseph is town I think. Who else can I vote for?
Vote: RR how's that?
I don't like this post. His reasons for finding Joseph towny seem forced. I also don't like the amount of content posts to joke posts from faust.
There are no reasons in this post.
Those are all reasons to me.
No I mean there are no reasons in the post from me that you quoted.
There were other posts where you stated your reasons and I didn't like them.
#38
Unvote
Why did Jake just unvote after two people joined the wagon he was on?
Because faust was scummy early but he looks much less scummy now.
#42
We have four things from J Reggie. First, the plan:
Tell us your plan!
Why thank you.
I think we should start off D1 with a mass claim. We have a good chance to catch at least one scum here without losing any key PRs. Here's the catch though: it only works if everyone does it. And I mean everyone.
I'll start. I'm a VT.
Then the Joseph vote
vote: j Reggie for role fishing, trying to out all our PRs.
The setup says we don't have any PRs? 8VT vs 3 mafia vs 2 werewolves
This isn't likely to be warning a partner, since mafia have day chat and werewolves only have one partner. But
I claim TV.
Obv!fakeclaim. Vote: ii
This is unannounced L-2.
vote: Joseph
Then the faust vote
Oh the sheepage. But it's actually a reasonable wagon this time. vote: Faust
and the gkrieg case
Also I just realized that everyone should be scum hunting in this game, which is kinda interesting.
This is the type of post scum makes to make you think they have a town mindset. Like a pseudo-faked-townslip.
He then votes for gkrieg in his next post. And that's really it. Nothing here feels like town!Reggie to me. It feels like J Reggie, when he is active, is doing everything he can to appear townie without actually being townie.
So basically everything he's done is scummy.
#43
We have 3 wagons right now.
faust - would lynch, but really don't prefer to
RR - don't really want to lynch
J Reggie - want to lynch, best option of the three
Or option 4: you Vote: 2.71
#59
Just saying I protest this "apparent" lynch
Again, reading through the actual game. This is pretty representative of Jake. Much more confontational. Votes flying around more. More aggressive and assertive, tone is different. Answers questions put to him. Taking stances.
In posts not listed here, he actually goes after people that were voting for him. OMGUSing and such. Now, I'll will admit that I was wrong about Jake in M103. There I argued that he was "very interested in himself" and he was. I felt that could be a scummy trait. But if it is a Jake-trait. He isn't doing it here.
So. There you go.