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[The_Wine_Merchant]

Actually I consciously didn't do this in my last scum game. Also I wasn't hating, just pointing out that Jake didn't actually answer the question. It's fine if he doesn't want to talk about it, but he shouldn't pretend that he does then.

I don't see town faust saying this.

Let me tell you two things that would be useful to me.

1. snip long quotes. We don't need to see the whole thread of the conversation, just the relevant parts.
2. tell me why you don't see faust saying this, and other times when you point it out. I don't always do this, but the times that I do are better and it is something that you rarely do. I think it would help others.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

Sometimes, Jake is actually scum.

Joseph is town I think. Who else can I vote for?

Vote: RR how's that?

I don't like this post. His reasons for finding Joseph towny seem forced. I also don't like the amount of content posts to joke posts from faust.

Scum don't have to force town reads. Those can come naturally, there are plenty of town to read that way. Unless they are partners scum shouldn't feel compelled to force townreads.

[iguanaiguana]

Scum don't have to force town reads. Those can come naturally, there are plenty of town to read that way. Unless they are partners scum shouldn't feel compelled to force townreads.

Unless they want to state a town read without convincing anyone else that person is town.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

Scum don't have to force town reads. Those can come naturally, there are plenty of town to read that way. Unless they are partners scum shouldn't feel compelled to force townreads.

Unless they want to state a town read without convincing anyone else that person is town.

To what point?

[ashersky]

Caught a possible town slip by TWM, off the lynch table for today.

[iguanaiguana]

Scum don't have to force town reads. Those can come naturally, there are plenty of town to read that way. Unless they are partners scum shouldn't feel compelled to force townreads.

Unless they want to state a town read without convincing anyone else that person is town.

To what point?

Convincing everyone that every town is in fact town is directly the opposite of your wincon as scum.  Thought the purpose was self evident.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

Caught a possible town slip by TWM, off the lynch table for today.

[Teproc]

Caught a possible town slip by TWM, off the lynch table for today.

Mind sharing what it is ? Given your standards for ICness, I somehow doubt I will agree.

[The_Wine_Merchant]

Caught a possible town slip by TWM, off the lynch table for today.

Mind sharing what it is ? Given your standards for ICness, I somehow doubt I will agree.

No! Don't question it!

[Teproc]

Anyway, Jake is making no sense (the post saying faust is scummy for his reasons to find Joseph townie being forced, quoting a post in which faust says "I think Joseph is town" with no reason given is a pretty flabbergasting one), but I guess that's alignment-neutral ? What's not alignment-neutral is only participating when prodded.

On that subject, Robz ? We get it, you're conforming to your town meta of inactivity because your Survivor game, while townie, motivated you because you were not actually town. Now that you've established that, can you do something relevant to the game ?

[iguanaiguana]

Participating only when prodded may be the defining feature of Jake's meta.

[Robz888]

Anyway, Jake is making no sense (the post saying faust is scummy for his reasons to find Joseph townie being forced, quoting a post in which faust says "I think Joseph is town" with no reason given is a pretty flabbergasting one), but I guess that's alignment-neutral ? What's not alignment-neutral is only participating when prodded.

On that subject, Robz ? We get it, you're conforming to your town meta of inactivity because your Survivor game, while townie, motivated you because you were not actually town. Now that you've established that, can you do something relevant to the game ?

Yeah, sorry, a bit busy these past few days, I'll get back into this soon I promise.

[Teproc]

Let's do some Voltaire-style premature PoEing.

iguanaiguana: Towniest player, easily. Off the table.
RR: Sure. Didn't really respond to prods as much as I think town!RR does. Could lynch.
e: Nonchalant, which is town!e, but not overwhelmingly so... enough for day 1 though, I think. Tentatively off the table.
TWM: Vaguely scummy, but I'm not sure why. Could lynch.
Joseph: No idea, as he just always seems scummy to me. Would lynch over no lynch.
Robz: See above, conforming to his town!meta when it's not that profitable because he recently had a strong town-ish performance, off the table.
Eevee: Eh. I always think he's scum, but really I have no idea. Would lynch over no lynch.
gkrieg13: No clue. Don't remember his meta well either. Don't find the votes against him particularly convincing. Would lynch over no lynch.
J Reggie: Scummy. Would lynch.
Jake: Scum. Lynch !
faust: town!faust annoys me a lot more than scum!faust, so... off the table.
ashersky. Kinda scummy actually, because he has done nothing I remember aside from a half-hearted fakehammer. Would lynch.

Well, that was unhelpful. Turns out Voltaire-style PoE only works if you have a bunch of town reads.

PPE: It is ? Ugh. The impression I got from reading... M90 I think it was ? was of an active townie who didn't think too much about what he posts, not a lurker.

[iguanaiguana]

PPE: It is ? Ugh. The impression I got from reading... M90 I think it was ? was of an active townie who didn't think too much about what he posts, not a lurker.

I am primarily thinking of the last couple games I played with him. The finished one was RMM41 Gravity Falls.

[Robz888]

I 100% disagree with that characterization of Jake's meta.

Jake is an active player, a bit vengeful toward people who vote him, regardless of town or scum.

[ashersky]

Caught a possible town slip by TWM, off the lynch table for today.

Mind sharing what it is ? Given your standards for ICness, I somehow doubt I will agree.

Not saying he's an IC, just made a townie post that I think shows he's thinking from a town mindset.

[Eevee]

Couldn't you tell us what the post was, so we could analyze it for ourselves?

[Joseph2302]

I 100% disagree with that characterization of Jake's meta.

Jake is an active player, a bit vengeful toward people who vote him, regardless of town or scum.

Apart from Jake just being Jake (which always seems to attract votes), what has he actually done that's scummy?

[faust]

Sometimes, Jake is actually scum.

Joseph is town I think. Who else can I vote for?

Vote: RR how's that?

I don't like this post. His reasons for finding Joseph towny seem forced. I also don't like the amount of content posts to joke posts from faust.

There are no reasons in this post.

[faust]

Well, that was unhelpful. Turns out Voltaire-style PoE only works if you have a bunch of town reads.

Actually, Voltaire himself usually took people out for reasons that have nothing to do with alignment, like activity level. I think that's part of what made his lists useful.

[faust]

I 100% disagree with that characterization of Jake's meta.

Jake is an active player, a bit vengeful toward people who vote him, regardless of town or scum.

Apart from Jake just being Jake (which always seems to attract votes), what has he actually done that's scummy?

He's voting for me even though I never ever voted for him. Pretty well outside his town meta if you ask me.

[faust]

PPE: It is ? Ugh. The impression I got from reading... M90 I think it was ? was of an active townie who didn't think too much about what he posts, not a lurker.

I am primarily thinking of the last couple games I played with him. The finished one was RMM41 Gravity Falls.

Yeah, his meta changed significantly since M90.

[J Reggie]

Also I just realized that everyone should be scum hunting in this game, which is kinda interesting.

This is the type of post scum makes to make you think they have a town mindset. Like a pseudo-faked-townslip.

[faust]

Also I just realized that everyone should be scum hunting in this game, which is kinda interesting.

This is the type of post scum makes to make you think they have a town mindset. Like a pseudo-faked-townslip.

If it's pseudo-faked, does the mean it's real again?

[faust]

Post count!

iguana: 45
Roadrunner: 18
e: 13
TWM: 36
Jospeph: 21
Robz: 21
Eevee: 17
gkrieg: 19
Teproc: 39
J Reggie: 15
Jake: 11
faust: 49
ashersky: 10

Quite balanced actually. 4 active people and the rest is all around the same number. That is not too helpful.