Topic: The Dominion Cards Lists 2016 Edition: $4 Cards (Read 81227 times)

Qvist · « **on:** December 22, 2016, 01:58:36 pm »

The Best Cards - Part 1/7

40+ votes for Empires cards, ~53 votes for the rest.

	#73 =0 Scout (Intrigue) Weighted Average: 2.1% ▼1.5pp / Unweighted Average: 1.8% / Median: 0% =0pp / Standard Deviation: 3.1% Scout continues to stay last since the second edition. It has by far the lowest deviation as its highest vote was 14%. It was voted last 29 times.
	#72 =0 Thief (Base) Weighted Average: 4.3% ▼1.7pp / Unweighted Average: 4.7% / Median: 1.4% ▼2.2pp / Standard Deviation: 8.5% Thief also didn't change much and has the second lowest deviation. It was voted last 14 times.
	#71 ▼1 Feast (Base) Weighted Average: 10.8% ▼1.4pp / Unweighted Average: 11.9% / Median: 6.9% ▼2.3pp / Standard Deviation: 14.2% Feast has a big lead over Thief of about 6.5pp, but lost one rank and is third to last just like 2 years ago. It was voted last once.
	#70 ▼2 Pirate Ship (Seaside) Weighted Average: 11.5% ▼2.8pp / Unweighted Average: 12.8% / Median: 11.1% ▲1.3pp / Standard Deviation: 9.5% Pirate Ship lost 2 ranks and has a low deviation. It's ranked worse than ever before. It's the first card with no vote on last and is 2 ranks higher in the unweighted ranking.
	#69 ▼2 Bureaucrat (Base) Weighted Average: 12.3% ▼3.5pp / Unweighted Average: 12.9% / Median: 9.7% ▼4.6pp / Standard Deviation: 9.3% Just like Pirate Ship, Bureaucrat lost 2 ranks. It's 5th last just like in the first edition. It was voted last once and has a low deviation as well. It is 2 ranks higher in the unweighted ranking.
	#68 ▲3 Navigator (Seaside) Weighted Average: 12.5% ▲0.7pp / Unweighted Average: 12.6% / Median: 8.8% ▼0.7pp / Standard Deviation: 10.5% Navigator won the 3 ranks it lost last year, but its average basically didn't change. It was voted last once. It is one rank lower in the unweighted ranking.
	#67 ▼1 Coppersmith (Intrigue) Weighted Average: 12.6% ▼3.3pp / Unweighted Average: 11.9% / Median: 10.8% ▼2.3pp / Standard Deviation: 9.1% Ranks #67-#69 are only 0.3pp apart. Coppersmith lost one rank after rising 4 ranks last year. It has the third lowest deviation in this list and is 3 ranks lower in the unweighted ranking.
	#66 Rocks (Empires) Weighted Average: 13.6% / Unweighted Average: 17.4% / Median: 11.1% / Standard Deviation: 16.8% Rocks is the first Empires card in this list. It has therefore a pretty high deviation for such a low ranked card with 4 votes on last. It is 2 ranks higher in the unweighted ranking.
	#65 ▲3 Treasure Map (Seaside) Weighted Average: 13.8% =0pp / Unweighted Average: 14.8% / Median: 12.5% ▲0.2pp / Standard Deviation: 9.1% Treasure Map is 3 ranks better, but has the same average. It has a low deviation.
	#64 =0 Spy (Base) Weighted Average: 15.6% ▼0.8pp / Unweighted Average: 14.6% / Median: 11.1% ▼1.4pp / Standard Deviation: 11.7% Spy stays on the same rank, but is 2 ranks worse in the unweighted ranking. It was voted last once.
	#63 ▼3 Noble Brigand (Hinterlands) Weighted Average: 17.7% ▼6.3pp / Unweighted Average: 20.3% / Median: 18.1% ▼5.1pp / Standard Deviation: 13.6% Noble Brigand lost quite a lot, 3 ranks and over 6pp and is now in the bottom tier. It was voted last once.

Qvist · « **Reply #1 on:** December 22, 2016, 01:58:44 pm »

The Best Cards - Part 2/7

	#62 =0 Talisman (Prosperity) Weighted Average: 20.2% ▼3.4pp / Unweighted Average: 20.9% / Median: 18.1% ▼3.8pp / Standard Deviation: 13.0% After rising at least a little bit the last few years, this year Talisman stays the same, but even loses over 3pp in its average.
	#61 ▲2 Taxman (Guilds) Weighted Average: 21.3% ▲0.5pp / Unweighted Average: 23.2% / Median: 18.1% ▼1.5pp / Standard Deviation: 18.7% Taxman lost 3 ranks last year, now it's 2 ranks back up with basically the same average value.
	#60 ▲1 Rats (Dark Ages) Weighted Average: 22.0% ▼1.9pp / Unweighted Average: 23.4% / Median: 19.4% ▼0.6pp / Standard Deviation: 17.1% Rats continues to slowly gain ranks, this year one rank as well. But it even lost 2pp on the other side. It is one rank higher in the unweighted ranking.
	#59 =0 Nomad Camp (Hinterlands) Weighted Average: 22.0% ▼3.0pp / Unweighted Average: 23.3% / Median: 21.1% ▼0.3pp / Standard Deviation: 12.4% Nomad Camp has a small lead over Rats of 0.05pp. It stays on the same rank, but loses 3pp. It is one rank lower in the unweighted ranking.
	#58 ▼2 Death Cart (Dark Ages) Weighted Average: 22.8% ▼10.4pp / Unweighted Average: 27.9% / Median: 22.2% ▼8.6pp / Standard Deviation: 19.8% Death Cart is 2 ranks, but more importantly over 10pp worse and therefore continues its falling trend.
	#57 ▲1 Feodum (Dark Ages) Weighted Average: 25.5% ▼1.5pp / Unweighted Average: 29.8% / Median: 26.2% ▲3.1pp / Standard Deviation: 18.7% This is the first year in which Feodum won ranks, only if it's just one, but it still lost a bit in its average. It's even one rank higher in the unweighted ranking.
	#56 ▲1 Messenger (Adventures) Weighted Average: 28.0% ▼2.4pp / Unweighted Average: 28.7% / Median: 27.8% ▲0.1pp / Standard Deviation: 12.9% Messenger won one rank, but lost in its average. It's one rank lower in the unweighted ranking.
	#55 ▼2 Island (Seaside) Weighted Average: 32.9% ▼3.7pp / Unweighted Average: 36.1% / Median: 30.4% ▼7.1pp / Standard Deviation: 18.3% After a gap of nearly 6pp we're leaving the bottom tier cards and entering the next tier. Island continues to lose ranks, it lost 2 ranks just like last year. It's 2 ranks higher in the unweighted ranking.
	#54 ▲1 Trader (Hinterlands) Weighted Average: 33.1% ▼1.7pp / Unweighted Average: 35.1% / Median: 31.8% ▼2.1pp / Standard Deviation: 17.4% For the first time ever, Trader won one rank, but it still has a lower average.
	#53 ▼4 Miser (Adventures) Weighted Average: 34.6% ▼3.9pp / Unweighted Average: 36.3% / Median: 31.9% ▼4.6pp / Standard Deviation: 17.5% Miser lost 4 ranks and also 4pp. It's one rank higher in the unweighted ranking.
	#52 =0 Armory (Dark Ages) Weighted Average: 34.9% ▼2.0pp / Unweighted Average: 32.3% / Median: 31.9% ▼2.0pp / Standard Deviation: 15.0% Armory stays where it was after going up year after year. It still lost 2pp and would be even 3 ranks lower in the unweighted ranking, so it's not as appreciated by newer players.

Qvist · « **Reply #2 on:** December 22, 2016, 01:58:50 pm »

The Best Cards - Part 3/7

	#51 ▼1 Silk Road (Hinterlands) Weighted Average: 36.9% ▼1.5pp / Unweighted Average: 39.2% / Median: 34.7% ▲0.8pp / Standard Deviation: 21.1% After losing quite a lot the last 2 years, Silk Road lost one more rank this time. It's 2 ranks higher in the unweighted ranking.
	#50 Ritual (Empires) Weighted Average: 37.9% / Unweighted Average: 38.3% / Median: 37.5% / Standard Deviation: 21.6% The second new Empires card is exactly on rank #50. It has the highest deviation in this list of the cards we've seen so far. It's one rank lower in the unweighted ranking.
	#49 ▼3 Gardens (Base) Weighted Average: 38.6% ▼7.5pp / Unweighted Average: 41.2% / Median: 38.9% ▼5.7pp / Standard Deviation: 19.5% Gardens lost consistently at least 5 ranks the last 3 years, this year it still lost 3. It's 3 ranks higher in the unweighted ranking, so it gets overrated by newer players.
	#48 ▼1 Pilgrimage (Adventures) Weighted Average: 39.7% ▼4.1pp / Unweighted Average: 40.3% / Median: 37.5% ▼2.5pp / Standard Deviation: 20.1% Pilgrimage loses over 4pp and one rank. It's still one rank higher in the unweighted ranking.
	#47 ▲3 Baron (Intrigue) Weighted Average: 40.5% ▲2.5pp / Unweighted Average: 39.0% / Median: 37.5% ▲0.6pp / Standard Deviation: 14.8% Baron is 3 ranks back up, but would be those 3 ranks worse in the unweighted ranking. It has a pretty low deviation for a card ranked near the middle.
	#46 Engineer (Empires) Weighted Average: 43.3% / Unweighted Average: 44.1% / Median: 40.3% / Standard Deviation: 18.4% Engineer is the third Empires card in this list and the first debt card we've seen. It's 3 ranks higher in the unweighted ranking.
	#45 ▼1 Cutpurse (Seaside) Weighted Average: 43.6% ▼3.1pp / Unweighted Average: 42.1% / Median: 38.9% ▼5.7pp / Standard Deviation: 17.2% Cutpurse lost one rank and 3pp.
	#44 ▲8 Walled Village (Promo) Weighted Average: 44.1% ▲8.3pp / Unweighted Average: 39.5% / Median: 38.9% ▲5.0pp / Standard Deviation: 17.2% Walled Village is one of the big winners this year. It's 8 ranks and over 8pp better. But it's still 4 ranks lower in the unweighted ranking, so unexperienced players didn't notice the change that much.
	#43 ▼6 Horse Traders (Cornucopia) Weighted Average: 45.0% ▼8.4pp / Unweighted Average: 47.6% / Median: 45.8% ▼4.2pp / Standard Deviation: 17.0% Horse Traders is nearly opposite to Walled Village. It lost as much as Walled Village won in their average and also nearly in ranks. It's 2 ranks higher in the unweighted ranking.
	#42 ▼1 Scavenger (Dark Ages) Weighted Average: 45.7% ▼3.2pp / Unweighted Average: 44.4% / Median: 44.4% ▼4.8pp / Standard Deviation: 15.3% Scavenger's rating fluctuated quite a bit, but now it stayed constant, it only lost one rank.
	#41 ▼1 Mission (Adventures) Weighted Average: 46.9% ▼3.4pp / Unweighted Average: 42.2% / Median: 36.1% ▼7.0pp / Standard Deviation: 27.3% Mission lost one rank and has by far the highest deviation in this list, a lot of disagreement here. It's 3 ranks lower in the unweighted ranking.

Qvist · « **Reply #3 on:** December 22, 2016, 01:58:56 pm »

The Best Cards - Part 4/7

	#40 ▲3 Remodel (Base) Weighted Average: 47.8% =0pp / Unweighted Average: 48.3% / Median: 45.8% ▼0.4pp / Standard Deviation: 16.2% Remodel continues to go up, this year 3 ranks, but has still the same average.
	#39 ▼8 Duplicate (Adventures) Weighted Average: 50.8% ▼7.1pp / Unweighted Average: 52.7% / Median: 50.0% ▼10.0pp / Standard Deviation: 15.6% Duplicate crosses the 50% mark, even though we didn't reach the middle yet. It lost quite a lot: 8 ranks and over 7pp. It's 2 ranks higher in the unweighted ranking.
	#38 ▼2 Advisor (Guilds) Weighted Average: 51.0% ▼2.9pp / Unweighted Average: 49.6% / Median: 47.7% ▼6.2pp / Standard Deviation: 17.6% After being 12 ranks better last year, Advisor lost 2 ranks again. It is one rank lower in the unweighted ranking.
	#37 ▲5 Mining Village (Intrigue) Weighted Average: 53.8% ▲5.6pp / Unweighted Average: 51.9% / Median: 48.6% ▲0.2pp / Standard Deviation: 15.3% Mining Village is the middle ranked card in this list and the second village which got a big boost, here 5 ranks and over 5pp. It is one rank lower in the unweighted ranking.
	#36 ▲3 Farming Village (Cornucopia) Weighted Average: 54.2% ▲3.8pp / Unweighted Average: 53.3% / Median: 50.0% ▼2.3pp / Standard Deviation: 19.0% And here's the second village in a row, the third worst in this list. It is also better than last year, but only 3 ranks and nearly 4pp.
	#35 ▲3 Ranger (Adventures) Weighted Average: 55.0% ▲2.7pp / Unweighted Average: 54.2% / Median: 55.6% ▲4.8pp / Standard Deviation: 18.7% Just like Farming Village, Ranger is 3 ranks better as well.
	#34 ▼1 Moneylender (Base) Weighted Average: 56.1% ▲0.5pp / Unweighted Average: 55.8% / Median: 54.2% ▲1.0pp / Standard Deviation: 18.5% Beside its rank in the first edition, Moneylender continues to stay in the middle of the field, it basically didn't change all that much. It is one rank higher in the unweighted ranking.
	#33 Salt the Earth (Empires) Weighted Average: 58.0% / Unweighted Average: 55.7% / Median: 57.1% / Standard Deviation: 26.1% Salt the Earth is the next new entry in this list. And it has the second highest deviation in this list, a lot of disagreement here.
	#32 ▼5 Salvager (Seaside) Weighted Average: 59.5% ▼0.1pp / Unweighted Average: 61.0% / Median: 62.5% ▲1.0pp / Standard Deviation: 15.0% Salvager continues to lose ranks, this year quite a bit, 5 ranks even though its average didn't change. It's still 4 ranks higher in the unweighted ranking.
	#31 ▼11 Bishop (Prosperity) Weighted Average: 59.7% ▼8.5pp / Unweighted Average: 64.3% / Median: 58.6% ▼12.2pp / Standard Deviation: 19.6% Bishop is the big loser this year. It's 11 ranks and over 8pp worse. It was 6th once, but continued to fall year after year, this year the big drop. And weaker players way overestimate it still, as it is 7 ranks higher in the unweighted ranking.

Qvist · « **Reply #4 on:** December 22, 2016, 01:59:04 pm »

The Best Cards - Part 5/7

	#30 ▼1 Envoy (Promo) Weighted Average: 59.9% ▲1.4pp / Unweighted Average: 58.7% / Median: 62.5% ▼0.6pp / Standard Deviation: 21.3% Envoy has a slightly better average, but still lost one rank. It has a high deviation. It is 2 ranks lower in the unweighted ranking.
	#29 ▲2 Transmogrify (Adventures) Weighted Average: 60.1% ▲2.7pp / Unweighted Average: 60.5% / Median: 62.5% ▼1.0pp / Standard Deviation: 19.9% Transmogrify is slightly better, 2 ranks and over 2pp. It is one rank lower in the unweighted ranking.
	#28 =0 Procession (Dark Ages) Weighted Average: 60.3% ▲1.2pp / Unweighted Average: 60.5% / Median: 59.7% ▲2.6pp / Standard Deviation: 19.6% After climbing 12 ranks last year, Procession stayed pretty much constant. It is one rank lower in the unweighted ranking.
	#27 ▲6 Ironworks (Intrigue) Weighted Average: 61.0% ▲5.7pp / Unweighted Average: 58.8% / Median: 59.7% ▲3.4pp / Standard Deviation: 19.0% Ironworks made a huge jump two years ago, then lost a bit last year. This year it recovered, going 6 ranks back up again. It is 4 ranks lower in the unweighted ranking.
	#26 ▼7 Caravan (Seaside) Weighted Average: 62.1% ▼6.6pp / Unweighted Average: 65.3% / Median: 62.5% ▼11.4pp / Standard Deviation: 16.2% Caravan continues to fall like in the last 2 years, this year even more 7 ranks and even over 11pp in its median. It's still 5 ranks higher in the unweighted ranking.
	#25 Sacrifice (Empires) Weighted Average: 62.5% / Unweighted Average: 64.2% / Median: 68.1% / Standard Deviation: 22.4% This is the third best Empires card in this list and has of course a high deviation.
	#24 ▼7 Monument (Prosperity) Weighted Average: 62.6% ▼6.9pp / Unweighted Average: 61.3% / Median: 64.6% ▼6.2pp / Standard Deviation: 19.7% Just like Caravan, Monument lost 7 ranks as well even though it was ranked first once. It has a small lead over Sacrifice of 0.11pp. It is 3 ranks lower in the unweighted ranking.
	#23 ▲10 Fortress (Dark Ages) Weighted Average: 64.0% ▲9.2pp / Unweighted Average: 63.2% / Median: 62.5% ▲7.1pp / Standard Deviation: 14.6% Fortress is the next village, the 6th out of 9 and it also won ranks, quite a lot, 10 ranks and also nearly 10pp. It has a pretty low deviation. It is 3 ranks lower in the unweighted ranking.
	#22 ▼6 Marauder (Dark Ages) Weighted Average: 66.1% ▼5.4pp / Unweighted Average: 66.7% / Median: 75.0% ▼0.4pp / Standard Deviation: 22.2% Marauder lost 6 ranks. Its median is way higher than its average, staying at around the same value. It has a high deviation. It is still 3 ranks higher in the unweighted ranking.
	#21 ▲2 Plaza (Guilds) Weighted Average: 66.1% ▲0.5pp / Unweighted Average: 65.2% / Median: 64.3% ▲3.2pp / Standard Deviation: 15.1% Plaza is the 5th out of 9 villages, so the middle one. It also is a little bit higher, though only 2 ranks. It has a small lead over Marauder of 0.08pp. It is one rank lower in the unweighted ranking.

Qvist · « **Reply #5 on:** December 22, 2016, 01:59:12 pm »

The Best Cards - Part 6/7

	#20 Temple (Empires) Weighted Average: 68.0% / Unweighted Average: 66.5% / Median: 69.4% / Standard Deviation: 20.3% Temple is the second best Empires card in this list.
	#19 ▲4 Conspirator (Intrigue) Weighted Average: 68.2% ▲3.7pp / Unweighted Average: 68.1% / Median: 68.1% ▲0.8pp / Standard Deviation: 15.2% Conspirator went 4 ranks back up and is in the Top 20 again. It is one rank higher in the unweighted ranking. It was voted first once.
	#18 ▲6 Quarry (Prosperity) Weighted Average: 69.9% ▲7.1pp / Unweighted Average: 64.4% / Median: 69.4% ▲5.5pp / Standard Deviation: 21.4% Quarry made a significant jump: 6 ranks and over 7pp better, not quite as big of a change as 2 years ago, but still... It is 5 ranks lower in the unweighted ranking, so really underappreciated by newer players. It was voted first once.
	#17 ▲4 Worker's Village (Prosperity) Weighted Average: 71.8% ▲4.9pp / Unweighted Average: 70.2% / Median: 71.4% ▲2.9pp / Standard Deviation: 12.9% Worker's Village is the 4th out of 9 villages and continues the trend of villages going up, 4 ranks and nearly 5pp. It has a pretty low deviation.
	#16 ▼4 Militia (Base) Weighted Average: 72.5% ▼1.6pp / Unweighted Average: 71.1% / Median: 75.0% ▼5.0pp / Standard Deviation: 17.8% Militia lost 4 ranks and is lower than ever before.
	#15 ▲4 Smithy (Base) Weighted Average: 74.6% ▲6.8pp / Unweighted Average: 73.7% / Median: 73.9% ▲4.3pp / Standard Deviation: 14.2% Smithy won 4 ranks and is now on #15, just as high as 4 years ago, but with way less cards.
	#14 =0 Spice Merchant (Hinterlands) Weighted Average: 75.8% ▲3.8pp / Unweighted Average: 75.3% / Median: 79.0% ▲3.2pp / Standard Deviation: 12.2% Spice Merchant stays on the same rank, but is still nearly 4pp better. It is one rank higher in the unweighted ranking. It has a low deviation.
	#13 ▼3 Sea Hag (Seaside) Weighted Average: 75.9% ▼1.9pp / Unweighted Average: 79.4% / Median: 87.5% ▲3.6pp Standard Deviation: 20.6% After dropping significantly from #1 last year, Sea Hag still falls a bit. It was voted first 3 times and is still 2 ranks higher in the unweighted ranking. And its median is quite high in comparism to its average. And it has only a lead of 0.06pp over Spice Merchant.
	#12 ▲8 Port (Adventures) Weighted Average: 76.2% ▲8.7pp / Unweighted Average: 74.5% / Median: 77.8% ▲9.5pp / Standard Deviation: 17.6% Port is the 3rd out of 9 villages and it got a huge boost as well: 8 ranks and nearly 9pp. It was voted first once and is 2 ranks lower in the unweighted ranking.
	#11 =0 Young Witch (Cornucopia) Weighted Average: 78.2% ▲2.7pp / Unweighted Average: 77.5% / Median: 83.3% ▲4.3pp / Standard Deviation: 19.4% Young Witch stays on the same rank basically but isn't in the Top 10 anymore. It still won a bit in its average. It is one rank lower in the unweighted ranking.

Qvist · « **Reply #6 on:** December 22, 2016, 01:59:18 pm »

The Best Cards - Part 7/7

	#10 Villa (Empires) Weighted Average: 81.3% / Unweighted Average: 81.2% / Median: 83.3% / Standard Deviation: 16.6% Villa is the best Empires card in this list and the second best village in this list. The top 10 consists of all the cards with more than 80%. It was voted first 3 times.
	#9 ▲3 Throne Room (Base) Weighted Average: 82.2% ▲9.1pp / Unweighted Average: 82.4% / Median: 84.7% ▲6.6pp / Standard Deviation: 12.5% Throne Room is 3 ranks better and higher than ever before, now in the Top 10. It nearly has a by 10pp better average. It is 2 ranks higher in the unweighted ranking.
	#8 =0 Bridge (Intrigue) Weighted Average: 82.6% ▲1.4pp / Unweighted Average: 81.7% / Median: 86.1% ▲0.2pp / Standard Deviation: 14.6% Bridge is on the same rank and has a slightly better average. It was voted first once.
	#7 ▼2 Magpie (Adventures) Weighted Average: 83.2% ▼2.2pp / Unweighted Average: 81.5% / Median: 87.5% ▼3.6pp / Standard Deviation: 17.6% Magpie lost 2 ranks after its start in the Top 5. It is even 2 more ranks lower in the unweighted ranking. It was voted first once.
	#6 ▼2 Jack of all Trades (Hinterlands) Weighted Average: 86.8% ▲1.4pp / Unweighted Average: 87.0% / Median: 90.3% ▼2.7pp / Standard Deviation: 10.7% Jack of all Trades is the second former #1 in this list, not in the Top 5 anymore as well. It lost 2 ranks, but has still a slightly better average. It was voted first 4 times and has a low deviation. It's still 2 ranks higher in the unweighted ranking.
	#5 ▲2 Herald (Guilds) Weighted Average: 87.8% ▲6.0pp / Unweighted Average: 84.9% / Median: 88.9% ▲5.8pp / Standard Deviation: 13.6% After climbing a lot of ranks last year, Herald is now even 2 more ranks better and now in the Top 5. Also 6pp is quite a significant boost. It is one rank lower in the unweighted ranking. It was voted first 3 times.
	#4 ▼1 Ironmonger (Dark Ages) Weighted Average: 88.4% ▲1.2pp / Unweighted Average: 87.6% / Median: 90.1% ▲0.9pp / Standard Deviation: 9.2% Ironmonger lost one rank, but still has a slightly better average. It's the only card in the Top 8 which has no vote on #1, but is one rank higher in the unweighted ranking. It has a really low deviation.
	#3 ▲3 Wandering Minstrel (Dark Ages) Weighted Average: 89.1% ▲4.0pp / Unweighted Average: 85.1% / Median: 89.2% ▲3.0pp / Standard Deviation: 13.9% Wandering Minstrel is 3 ranks better and still the best out of the 9 villages, beating even Throne Room, Herald and Ironmonger which sometimes give you +2 Actions. It was voted first twice and is 2 ranks lower in the unweighted ranking.
	#2 =0 Tournament (Cornucopia) Weighted Average: 92.8% ▲2.5pp / Unweighted Average: 92.4% / Median: 95.8% ▼0.6pp / Standard Deviation: 12.5% Tournament is still on rank #2, but improved in its average. It was voted first 10 times.
	#1 =0 Remake (Cornucopia) Weighted Average: 94.3% ▲1.8pp / Unweighted Average: 92.8% / Median: 98.5% ▲2.1pp / Standard Deviation: 11.0% Remake stays #1, improving its average as well with amazing 21 votes on #1.

ThetaSigma12 · « **Reply #7 on:** December 22, 2016, 02:20:52 pm »

*Reports Qvist for septuple posting*

traces Around · « **Reply #8 on:** December 22, 2016, 03:13:36 pm »

Feodum should have been seen by now.

Harley_Beckett · « **Reply #9 on:** December 22, 2016, 04:09:21 pm »

Quote from: traces Around on December 22, 2016, 03:13:36 pm

Feodum should have been seen by now.

I respectfully disagree. Feodum can be a game-winning card if it appears with a good silver-gainer or with trash-for benefit.

Are any of these cards in the bottom rank ever game-winners? Counting House if combined with Travelling Fair, sure, but that's a very specific circumstance. I guess Pirate Ship in 3-4 player, but who plays 3-4 player?

Limetime · « **Reply #10 on:** December 22, 2016, 04:10:31 pm »

begger gardens

Amac · « **Reply #11 on:** December 22, 2016, 05:45:50 pm »

Quote from: Harley_Beckett on December 22, 2016, 04:09:21 pm

Quote from: traces Around on December 22, 2016, 03:13:36 pm
Feodum should have been seen by now.

I respectfully disagree. Feodum can be a game-winning card if it appears with a good silver-gainer or with trash-for benefit.

Are any of these cards in the bottom rank ever game-winners? Counting House if combined with Travelling Fair, sure, but that's a very specific circumstance. I guess Pirate Ship in 3-4 player, but who plays 3-4 player?

Coppersmith can be pretty game-changing if it is a terminal yielding 7, although nowhere near the state of a serious brutal combo. Apart from Coppersmith though, I can't see any of these cards being a game-changer.

There is Counting House, but that is a 5. You at least expect a 5 to have some serious qualities. Although there is Harvest..

Jacob marley · « **Reply #12 on:** December 22, 2016, 06:25:07 pm »

Quote from: Harley_Beckett on December 22, 2016, 04:09:21 pm

Quote from: traces Around on December 22, 2016, 03:13:36 pm
Feodum should have been seen by now.

I respectfully disagree. Feodum can be a game-winning card if it appears with a good silver-gainer or with trash-for benefit.

Are any of these cards in the bottom rank ever game-winners? Counting House if combined with Travelling Fair, sure, but that's a very specific circumstance. I guess Pirate Ship in 3-4 player, but who plays 3-4 player?

Lots of people play 3-4 player, they just don't come here to talk about it.

trivialknot · « **Reply #13 on:** December 22, 2016, 06:33:26 pm »

It's a shame that Rocks comes up in so few games, requiring multiple people to go for Catapults, or one person to go all in. For that reason, I don't put much stock in the current ranking of Rocks, and am willing to substitute my personal opinion.

Rocks is underrated by at least 10 ranks. Considering that you only get it when there are five catapults floating around, Rocks is basically a curser/militia. Definitely not the strongest junker, but still much more consistent than say, Embargo, so it's hard to justify it being so low.

tailred · « **Reply #14 on:** December 22, 2016, 06:38:19 pm »

Quote from: trivialknot on December 22, 2016, 06:33:26 pm

It's a shame that Rocks comes up in so few games, requiring multiple people to go for Catapults, or one person to go all in. For that reason, I don't put much stock in the current ranking of Rocks, and am willing to substitute my personal opinion.

Rocks is underrated by at least 10 ranks. Considering that you only get it when there are five catapults floating around, Rocks is basically a curser/militia. Definitely not the strongest junker, but still much more consistent than say, Embargo, so it's hard to justify it being so low.

Rocks is not a curser militia, it's a oneshot curser militia if you want to look at it that way. This is even before considering the need to collide, etc. Big difference.

LastFootnote · « **Reply #15 on:** December 22, 2016, 07:03:14 pm »

Most of Rocks' power is gaining a Silver to hand, not just on-trash, but on-gain too. It's a great combo with most Workshop variants.

schadd · « **Reply #16 on:** December 22, 2016, 07:25:30 pm »

rocks ++
pirate ship +
spy -
feodum -

markusin · « **Reply #17 on:** December 22, 2016, 11:19:01 pm »

Quote from: tailred on December 22, 2016, 06:38:19 pm

Quote from: trivialknot on December 22, 2016, 06:33:26 pm
It's a shame that Rocks comes up in so few games, requiring multiple people to go for Catapults, or one person to go all in. For that reason, I don't put much stock in the current ranking of Rocks, and am willing to substitute my personal opinion.

Rocks is underrated by at least 10 ranks. Considering that you only get it when there are five catapults floating around, Rocks is basically a curser/militia. Definitely not the strongest junker, but still much more consistent than say, Embargo, so it's hard to justify it being so low.
Rocks is not a curser militia, it's a oneshot curser militia if you want to look at it that way. This is even before considering the need to collide, etc. Big difference.

Well two-shot if you count being able to trash the Silver received from trashing Rocks with Catapult at a later time, but you won't get +$2 from trashing Silver like you do from trashing Rocks and getting a Silver in hand to replace it.

Limetime · « **Reply #18 on:** December 22, 2016, 11:34:12 pm »

P-ship>Brigand.

werothegreat · « **Reply #19 on:** December 23, 2016, 08:33:59 am »

Quote from: schadd on December 22, 2016, 07:25:30 pm

rocks ++
pirate ship +
spy -
feodum -

Rocks is merrhh. Not really sure where to place it yet, but it's certainly not top 10 material.
PIRATE SHIP IS BETTAR THAN YARRRR ARRLLL ARRRR MAKING IT AARRRRTT TER BEEEEEEEEE
Fuck Spy
All Feodum needs is a way to gain Silver modestly quickly and BAM it's better than Province. Let us count the ways:
-MASTERPIECE
-Trader
-Jack
-Amulet
-Raid
-Talisman
-Bureaucrat? probably not, too slow
-Treasure Hunter
-Trusty Steed (if you can get it), probably still too slow
-Delve
-Salt the Earth (with Feodum), surprisingly
-Squire maybe?

Aleimon Thimble · « **Reply #20 on:** December 23, 2016, 08:52:37 am »

It depends on the rest of the kingdom, of course, but on boards with a fairly weak engine Squire/Feodum and Bureaucrat/Feodum are certainly a thing.

On an unrelated note: no redemption for Coppersmith, unfortunately.

Chris is me · « **Reply #21 on:** December 23, 2016, 10:43:07 am »

I don't know how you guys are all playing Catapult games where you run out of real junk to trash and can move on to Rocks and Silver. Do you guys just skip past trashing most of the Coppers and Estates?

Rocks is kinda good though because of how you can use it to throw Silver into your current hand with gainers or trashers, that's handy. I like it more than Catapult. It's still probably bottom 10 though.

Feodum kind of sucks

Limetime · « **Reply #22 on:** December 23, 2016, 10:44:51 am »

Quote from: Chris is me on December 23, 2016, 10:43:07 am

I don't know how you guys are all playing Catapult games where you run out of real junk to trash and can move on to Rocks and Silver. Do you guys just skip past trashing most of the Coppers and Estates?

Rocks is kinda good though because of how you can use it to throw Silver into your current hand with gainers or trashers, that's handy. I like it more than Catapult. It's still probably bottom 10 though.

Feodum kind of sucks

There are other thrashers. Also trashing silver is probably better than trashing copper depending how many coins you need that turn.

Beyond Awesome · « **Reply #23 on:** December 23, 2016, 11:14:21 am »

Rocks is bad. It never comes up, and for it to come up, you would need to buy more Catapults than you need, and even if it does come up, I mean, come on.

I'm surprised that Ritual wasn't in the bottom ten. I almost never find a use for it.

trivialknot · « **Reply #24 on:** December 23, 2016, 12:08:38 pm »

Quote from: tailred on December 22, 2016, 06:38:19 pm

Quote from: trivialknot on December 22, 2016, 06:33:26 pm
It's a shame that Rocks comes up in so few games, requiring multiple people to go for Catapults, or one person to go all in. For that reason, I don't put much stock in the current ranking of Rocks, and am willing to substitute my personal opinion.

Rocks is underrated by at least 10 ranks. Considering that you only get it when there are five catapults floating around, Rocks is basically a curser/militia. Definitely not the strongest junker, but still much more consistent than say, Embargo, so it's hard to justify it being so low.
Rocks is not a curser militia, it's a oneshot curser militia if you want to look at it that way. This is even before considering the need to collide, etc. Big difference.

A oneshot? You're thinking of silver. Rocks plus two silver is a three-shot, with multiple chances to collide. And the first shot could be in the very same shuffle you buy Rocks.

Yeah, buying a card just to be oneshot Catapult food sucks, which is why Catapult isn't a very effective curser on its own. You need a silver-gainer like Rocks.

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