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Variants and Fan Cards / Re: Merchant's Wagon
« on: December 13, 2012, 04:55:10 pm »
Wouldn't this + watchtower let you deplete the Ironworks deck?

Probably needs to be discarded. Or maybe "When you place a card on top of your deck, you may swap it with this card"

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Solo Challenges / Re: Solo challenge: 1,000 victory points!
« on: December 12, 2012, 03:05:25 pm »
Looking over CC's solution, shouldn't it be possible to throw a copy of Rats/Fortress in the BM deck so you can get 19 more action cards? Might be hard to generate enough draws (as with only one in your hand/deck at once, the rats will give you a draw, then get top decked but now you need to draw the new rats. There are enough other cards letting you draw that if you spaced it out it seems like it should be possible.
But if optimized correctly, that would make Vineyards worth 6 more and gardens 1 more for +7. 

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Variants and Fan Cards / Re: An idea inspired by a post in general
« on: December 11, 2012, 06:56:38 pm »
Tunnels could be circumvented by simply phrasing "set aside" and then "put the set aside cards in your discard pile"

I still agree it might be too good of a curse counter. With Chancellor, getting it at the start of a deck cycle isn't that much different towards getting it at the end. I mean, its still just +2 if you get it when you don't have a deck, but other than that its usefulness depends more on your deck structure.

With this card, its amazing if you get it your first hand after a shuffle. Bam, no more curses for a while. Oh look, I got two of them? Guess no more coppers as well. Should be some fun turns ahead.

Maybe "Name a card. Reveal cards from your draw pile until you reveal a copy of your named card, setting cards aside as you do so. Put all the set aside cards into your discard pile" would work. That is still superior to the Chancellor but is far less swingy.

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Dominion General Discussion / Re: Pronunciations and plurals
« on: December 11, 2012, 06:33:01 pm »
... not sure how I never realized there wasn't a t. Still see them referred to as Duchies more often than Duchys and wasn't sure if that's because people use the 'wrong' name, because cards themselves aren't proper, or because your Grammys example was silly and not actually relevant.  :)
It's fine if you want to say that Grammys as an example wasn't relevant to you personally. It seemed to me like it might help someone out there come to terms with the rules for pluralizing proper nouns, but man it's the internet, maybe I am just screaming at the void here.

I understand the rules for pluralizing proper nouns. The question I'm sure on is what kind of noun the card names are. The impression I get is that all the card names are technically singular proper nouns. In that case (by your Grammys example) Duchys, Laboratorys, and Embassys are all correct (in the same sense that "Ratses" is correct) unless there is another aspect I'm missing. (please don't give another snarky response. or do, I don't actually really care. I'm just done trying to get this point across)

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17: ironworks (boo)
19: followers
23: royal seal

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Dominion General Discussion / Re: Pronunciations and plurals
« on: December 11, 2012, 05:16:30 pm »
One last moment of pedantry and then I'll stop annoying you. Using the Grammy example, it would be correct to say that the game has 12 Dutchys, right?
No, the game doesn't have any cards at all called Dutchy.

... not sure how I never realized there wasn't a t. Still see them referred to as Duchies more often than Duchys and wasn't sure if that's because people use the 'wrong' name, because cards themselves aren't proper, or because your Grammys example was silly and not actually relevant.  :)

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Dominion General Discussion / Re: Pronunciations and plurals
« on: December 11, 2012, 04:50:09 pm »
If Ruinses is proper, then Ruins must be singular as well.
Somehow I feel the need to explain this stuff even after saying how pointless that would be. That is what the internet does to a man.

In the sentence "Ruined Village is a Ruins," "Ruins" is singular. You can tell from the "a!" Note despite being a former computer programmer that I put the exclamation point inside the quotes. If you then wanted to say what Ruined Village and Abandoned Mine collectively are, that would be "Ruinses." As usual despite being pretty sure of this I used the internet to verify it before using the word in the preview. If you aren't reading this from a print-out then this power is available to you as well.

If you see the movie Holes, did you see two movies? When you say "I saw Holes," that's shorthand for "I saw the movie named Holes." It's one movie; Holes in this context is singular. The fact that the movie's name is also a plural English word doesn't change that. If the director made another movie very similar to Holes, and then a third, then you might say, "man, I wish he would stop making so many Holeses."

The entire point to me saying Ruinses in the first place, in the preview and wherever afterwards, was because, it's funny. It's funny that the plural is Ruinses, because no-one would actually say Ruinses, and they would sound like Gollum (a character created by a linguist) if they did. Death Cart doesn't say Ruinses, because it would look weird; we don't have someone forcing us to adhere to a particular style guide, although Jay decided to go light on contractions (I disagree there) and to say "he" for indeterminate gender (I prefer "they" like a normal person).

It has not been so common to pluralize proper nouns in the past, but it comes up a lot with card games with named cards. You have this name, it's some ordinary real thing, but it's a name, it's proper, and the style guides say your Magic deck has four City of Brasses and four Llanowar Elveses, not four Cities of Brass and four Llanowar Elves. Normal people say Cities and Elves and that may well be the wave of the future. If you see a newspaper article telling you how many times Madonna won a Grammy though, they will call them Grammys, not Grammies; once it's proper they just add -s or -es.

Sorry, I wasn't trying to state that "Ruins" shouldn't be singular. Just pointing out that the -es is added because its singular. All being proper does is help standardize the pluralization so we know its "Ruinses" and not something weird like "Ruini".

One last moment of pedantry and then I'll stop annoying you. Using the Grammy example, it would be correct to say that the game has 12 Dutchys, right?

If you have one virus and then it breeds you get viruses.
Virus is a funny example, because it's a Latin word that we don't know the proper Latin plural for. It's a rare word that has some odd declension forms, so we're not sure if it's second or fourth declension, or just flat-out irregular. Theories for the proper plural include viri, virii, virui, virus, and virus (with a different-sounding u). Some people have advocated using various of these as the "proper" English plural as well, but since they're all historically suspect I recommend the English plural.

Its not just virus though. John considered the pluses and minuses of putting lenses in his glasses. Yeah there are examples of -s words not getting the -es (fungi) but the -es is probably the most common.

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Dominion General Discussion / Re: Pronunciations and plurals
« on: December 10, 2012, 05:17:10 pm »
The fact that Donald views Ratses and Ruinses as the correct plurals just means he's not getting into what little theme there is when he plays (or he's secretly role playing as Gollum and Dominion is really set in Middle Earth).
You're spouting nonsense.

The fact that I view Ruinses as "correct" means I know what style guides tell you to do when pluralizing proper nouns. If you find this suspicious, consider the expression, "keeping up with the Joneses."

Outside of edited material, whatever people do is "correct" - no-one is the arbiter of correct English.

So does that mean its proper to say "Ruins isa type of basic cards in Dark Ages. They are weak and undesirable Action cards costing 0 that are typically added to a player's deck as a penalty or attack" (as opposed to are)? I'm not sure what proper nouns have to do with it. If you have one virus and then it breeds you get viruses. "Jones" is singular, ("Jones isn't feeling well so you need to work late"), so if Jones has a family, you have a bunch of Joneses. If Ruinses is proper, then Ruins must be singular as well.

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Dominion General Discussion / Re: When is silver bad?
« on: December 10, 2012, 05:00:13 pm »
Hi Ho! - $1
Action

Gain a Silver.

Or a Cherry-O token

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Variants and Fan Cards / Re: Using size of supply piles
« on: December 06, 2012, 08:50:57 pm »
Cards with dwindling usefulness are inherently going to be swingy. Also I think it creates more turn order issues. First player is more likely to have more of the cards in the supply during their turn and so they are more useful to them. Furthermore, at the end they become completely unfavorable to buy as they make your current hand worse. The only point is to put a bad card into your hand only to make your opponents hand even worse which doesn't seem very fun.

Maybe something like a green card that gives you points equal to the number of cards left in the stack. But that I feel like almost all of them will get bought because if i'm down 4-2, buying one gives me -1 point and you -4 points so its still a dutchy. But at least that way whoever gets the first one doesn't jump out to a huge lead.

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Variants and Fan Cards / Re: Town Commons (another shared resource card)
« on: December 06, 2012, 08:31:08 pm »
Maybe make it half a Salvager? So "Place three cards from your hand face up on the Town Commons mat. +$ Equal to the total cost of all the cards you placed, divided by two." That doesn't encourage picking up the bad stuff, but it might be worth it to take the curse if someone dumped it alongside their more expensive card.

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Variants and Fan Cards / Re: Some Treasure - Duration cards
« on: December 05, 2012, 02:22:40 pm »
A twist on the Investment idea:

Savings: $2
Treasure - Duration

Worth 1 or set this card aside and return it to your hand at the start of your next turn

So its a Haven that can only be used for copper (reduces hand size by one and leaves action total the same), but it can be used multiple turns in a row so you can stack a pile of them up (which really only gets in the way of Watchtower/Library and Menagerie) and is a treasure so I think its different enough. Given all the times I get stuck one coin short, I think it could have its uses.

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Dominion General Discussion / Re: Pet tricks you haven't tried yet
« on: November 30, 2012, 07:47:55 pm »
I look forward to playing Workshop (or similar) + Fortress + Watchtower. Or, for that matter, any gainer + Watchtower + on-trasher.

The one I want to try is Rats + Rats + Watchtower + Fortress.

Completely useless (expect maybe in a gardens deck) but would be amusing enough just to see the other guys reaction when I get all the remaining rats in one turn.



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