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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M141: the coalition (the coalition phase)
« on: August 30, 2024, 11:12:51 am »
I could potentially be convinced to add Jack into a coalition of some sort if we want to try including the less active players

I think Jack is towny too. Swap Jack for Mix?

Why? Jack seems, at best, totally null to me, given no frame of reference. I could also see his sudden participation as something spurred on by a scum partner in daychat.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M141: the coalition (the coalition phase)
« on: August 30, 2024, 11:10:36 am »
Robz/joth are you willing to consider the list that’s currently in the majority?

Ultimately yes. But it’s only in the majority by one vote. I’m more likely to switch to the other competing wagon.

Meaning you think MiX is more likely to be town than I am?

Not really. Maybe marginally. It’s more that I think it’s more interesting to give people equal choices than to contribute to a sort of fait accompli by moving big wagon from 3 to 4.

Let’s do it.

Remove: Eevee, Cuzz
Add: MiX, Awaclus


I think either you are scum or you are just thinking about this game in a way that I really disagree with. The goal of the coalition is to put 5 townies in it and then we win the game, but instead of basing your choices directly on who you think is town you’re doing this weird higher level meta
game stuff.

I still lean town on you because of townie seeming interactions from earlier which is frustrating because I’m tempted to take you off my list but first I’m curious if anyone else has opinions about this.

But like… what are you basing your reads on? There hasn’t been enough posting, play, or interaction for me to trust my reads at all. But what I do know is that scum has a goal here and it’s rather more urgent than town’s goal. If this were a winning coalition, I would expect to see resistance against it and I don’t. Of course I know what follows from that if you haven’t seen my role PM: I am providing that resistance, ergo I’m scum by my own argument. I don’t really know how to get out of that particular intellectual pincer movement. But what I do know is the path of least resistance seems unlikely to succeed.

Which coalition do you think is not a winning coalition because you "would expect to see resistance against it and I don't." Can it really be said that any coalition isn't receiving resistance? So far there's been a consensus to include some combination of the most active players—myself, mcmc, you—and that's about it. I am not seeing some easy coalition automatically materializing.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M141: the coalition (the coalition phase)
« on: August 30, 2024, 11:06:37 am »
Remove: jotheonah
Add: Cuzz

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M141: the coalition (the coalition phase)
« on: August 30, 2024, 11:04:24 am »
Oh, it's Cuzz instead of Joth. I think I'd be fine with that.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M141: the coalition (the coalition phase)
« on: August 30, 2024, 11:03:52 am »
Remove: everyone

Add: Awaclus
Add: mcmc
Add: Robz
Add: Cuzz
Add: MiX


Anyone up for this coalition?

I am fine with this coalition. In fact, isn't this the coalition I'm already supporting?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M141: the coalition (the coalition phase)
« on: August 30, 2024, 10:59:43 am »
Robz/joth are you willing to consider the list that’s currently in the majority?

Yes.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M141: the coalition (the coalition phase)
« on: August 28, 2024, 12:23:03 pm »
Consensus here is good, because it means we will actually get an approved coalition. We should never forget that in these forums, towns ROUTINELY fail to take decisive action up until the last moment, screwing themselves over in the process and ending up with sub-optimal exiles based on whoever is around or not around.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M141: the coalition (the coalition phase)
« on: August 27, 2024, 03:20:08 pm »
I think a list that includes myself, Robz, mcmc, and Cuzz is very likely to contain scum. Because if we’re all town, what exactly is scum doing right now? Sitting back and letting us sort things out? I don’t think that’s 5-dimensional chess, it’s just common sense.

There certainly could be scum in there, but on the other hand, let's say the mafia are scola and Jack Rudd.

Are we supposed to think that's impossible because neither of them have said anything yet? Obviously not.

I tend to agree with mcmc that in general you have active players and lurky players regardless of alignment. I'm sure there are some people who lurk somewhat more as town or scum, but we all know that like, for instance, mcmc is going to be an active day one leader no matter what, I'm generally not going to be lurking hard unless I'm in too many games or get totally overwhelmed at work or something, etc.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M141: the coalition (the coalition phase)
« on: August 27, 2024, 02:28:25 pm »
Robz you posted: Robz, mcmc, joth, eevee, cuzz

I like the : (Robz, mcmc, joth) part and offered to add eevee who I think you can read well you add mix, with the idea I can read Mix well

You respond by saying you agree with my theory and in practice but you cant read mix well.

Then Joth posts: Robz, Joth, Eevee, Mix, Awaclus which is the same as my group but subs out me for awaclus.

And you like that list but sub eevee out for me and post: Robz, Joth, Mcmc, Mix, Awaclus.

So based on that you are now good with including mix but no longer want to include eevee??

Yep. The double ?? suggests incredulity but you accurately described my thought process!

Then could you elaborate. What changed your mind on including Mix and why did you take out eevee?

I took out Eevee because of the daychat thing. I thought that was obvious.

I added Mix because you and Joth want him in the coalition, I don't have a strong feeling for or against, and we'll have to make concessions in order to have five people approve the same coalition. Hemming and hawwing over individual selections will end up being anti-town.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M141: the coalition (the coalition phase)
« on: August 27, 2024, 02:25:54 pm »
I don't have a townread on him, but I added him to my coalition because he's more active and thus possibly easier to read than the somewhat unknown (to me at least) quantities.

Every part of this sentence seems false to me.

Well it's the truth.

The truth is that you don’t have a read on him but you’re including him because he’s easy to read?

I don't have a read on him right now but I can imagine myself having a read on him later more easily than I can imagine having a read on, say scola.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M141: the coalition (the coalition phase)
« on: August 27, 2024, 02:19:35 pm »
I don't have a townread on him, but I added him to my coalition because he's more active and thus possibly easier to read than the somewhat unknown (to me at least) quantities.

Every part of this sentence seems false to me.

Well it's the truth.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M141: the coalition (the coalition phase)
« on: August 27, 2024, 02:18:04 pm »
Robz you posted: Robz, mcmc, joth, eevee, cuzz

I like the : (Robz, mcmc, joth) part and offered to add eevee who I think you can read well you add mix, with the idea I can read Mix well

You respond by saying you agree with my theory and in practice but you cant read mix well.

Then Joth posts: Robz, Joth, Eevee, Mix, Awaclus which is the same as my group but subs out me for awaclus.

And you like that list but sub eevee out for me and post: Robz, Joth, Mcmc, Mix, Awaclus.

So based on that you are now good with including mix but no longer want to include eevee??

Yep. The double ?? suggests incredulity but you accurately described my thought process!

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M141: the coalition (the coalition phase)
« on: August 27, 2024, 02:02:07 pm »
I don't have a townread on him, but I added him to my coalition because he's more active and thus possibly easier to read than the somewhat unknown (to me at least) quantities.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M141: the coalition (the coalition phase)
« on: August 27, 2024, 01:47:58 pm »
Add: Awaclus
Add: MiX


Full list:
Joth
Robz
Eevee
Awaclus
MiX


This is where I’d like to be for now.

I’d like to hear more from Jack and scolapasta.

I mostly am fine with this list, except I would lose Eevee for the time being.

remove: everybody

add: Robz888
add: jotheonah
add: mcmcsalot
add: Awaclus
add: Mix

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M141: the coalition (the coalition phase)
« on: August 27, 2024, 01:42:41 pm »
Robz what did you think about my post for a me, you, joth, eevee, mix coalition?

With your reasoning being that those are easier people to read? I agree in theory and mostly in practice, although I don't personally think I can read Mix any better or worse than the people not on this list.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M141: the coalition (the coalition phase)
« on: August 27, 2024, 01:31:14 pm »
One of these things happened

Option A
I went back to post#1 to re-read the setup and caught day chat in the mafia pm with my eagle eyes

Option B
I've been chatting away with my partner in the mafia thread all this time and decided to bring it up for town cred.

Who thinks A/B?

I mean, both are plausible! But I know I didn't catch it. I'm possibly not the most observant reader of things like this, which is why I wonder about everyone else.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M141: the coalition (the coalition phase)
« on: August 27, 2024, 11:16:15 am »
Man, scum having day chat was NOT advertised very prominently. I thought I had read the setup carefully enough—it's a new setup!—and I didn't notice it.

Did other people notice it? Other than Eevee? I was not scum!reading Eevee at all, but in this specific case it seems like something scum would recognize more readily than town. It's only noted in the mafia PM...

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M141: the coalition (the coalition phase)
« on: August 27, 2024, 11:11:23 am »
I guess 1 in, 1 out is what scum is aiming for, but it doesn't seem THAT important, the biggest thing of course is that they just don't want to lose immediately.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M141: the coalition (the coalition phase)
« on: August 27, 2024, 11:10:09 am »
That's partly why I'm not too bothered about speculating about this out loud. I guarantee scum is having these conversations, so we may as well have them out in the open here so that everyone is equally aware of the game. Also, it's something to talk about.

I strongly agree with this remark in general, but particularly because scum have day chat... and also, we don't have PRs. The number one reason to avoid setup speculation is to avoid outing special townies, or avoid giving scum indication of who has thought about setup ramifications the hardest.

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M141: the coalition (the coalition phase)
« on: August 26, 2024, 06:32:23 pm »
We should not actually do random, but we should admit that the lists are ultimately going to be a little bit random. (Although mine is not!)

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M141: the coalition (the coalition phase)
« on: August 26, 2024, 05:58:26 pm »
I think there's no real reason to be overly cautious, and I've become frustrated with the town not doing anything until literal deadline and then doing something sub optimal because the options at that point are limited.

So...

add: jotheonah
add: Eevee
add: Cuzz
add: mcmcsalot


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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M141: the coalition (the coalition phase)
« on: August 26, 2024, 03:46:29 pm »
Can you vote for yourself for the coalition?
yes.


Uh, okay... add: Robz888

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M141: the coalition (the coalition phase)
« on: August 26, 2024, 03:37:35 pm »
Can you vote for yourself for the coalition? And if so, isn't that something we're all going to do...

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M141: the coalition (the coalition phase)
« on: August 26, 2024, 02:58:33 pm »
Do you have to vote for the same five people IN THE SAME ORDER to successfully get a coalition?

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Mafia Game Threads / Re: M141: the coalition (the coalition phase)
« on: August 26, 2024, 02:57:41 pm »
If we randomly chose a group of five people, like using random.org, which might not be allowed but that's beside the point, we'd expect to win the game one time in six, if I've done the math right. Which it's entirely possible I haven't.

That might be better odds than if we actually try, no joke. I feel like town here at f.ds does worse than expected in setups with very few PRs, or situations where you at least get named townies.

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