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Re: Previews #3: Blessed Village, Idol, Druid
« Reply #50 on: October 25, 2017, 09:39:04 am »
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Hmm. Druid looks awesome, but am I the only person wary that the mechanic of receiving random Boons adds a hefty dose of extra randomness and luck to a game that currently has about the right amount in most respects, maybe sometimes a little too much?

So this site is Dominion strategy; how on earth does one incorporate Boons into a strategy?

Well, Druid gives everybody the same 3 so it's not luck. Fool gives you 3 so it evens out the luck a bit, it's less likely to get 3 awful ones then it is to get 1. You can also do some Boon deck tracking to help. Blessed Village lets you choose the time you get it so it's not always useless. The worst is probably Idol as many of the effects are bad in the Buy Phase. Getting +1 Card or +1 Action is annoying.

Also, none of the boons are really good so getting unlucky once probably won't make you lose.
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Re: Previews #3: Blessed Village, Idol, Druid
« Reply #51 on: October 25, 2017, 09:50:23 am »
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In an IRL game, are you allowed to look through the Boon discard pile?

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Re: Previews #3: Blessed Village, Idol, Druid
« Reply #52 on: October 25, 2017, 10:07:10 am »
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Did anyone else read the thread title as "Blessed Village Idiot"?

"Oh man, I can't believe Donald used that name for a card!"
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Re: Previews #3: Blessed Village, Idol, Druid
« Reply #53 on: October 25, 2017, 10:13:03 am »
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Nope, he made Idiot into its own card.
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Re: Previews #3: Blessed Village, Idol, Druid
« Reply #54 on: October 25, 2017, 10:50:52 am »
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Yes Blessed Village has you move the Boon to where you can keep an eye on it until you receive it, and "receive a Boon" means it goes to the Boons discard pile (shuffled as needed). Except 3 Boons which say they stay in play until clean-up, those stay in play until clean-up.

I guess you don't literally mean "in play", right? They don't count for things like Horn of Plenty?

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Re: Previews #3: Blessed Village, Idol, Druid
« Reply #55 on: October 25, 2017, 10:59:00 am »
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Yes Blessed Village has you move the Boon to where you can keep an eye on it until you receive it, and "receive a Boon" means it goes to the Boons discard pile (shuffled as needed). Except 3 Boons which say they stay in play until clean-up, those stay in play until clean-up.

I guess you don't literally mean "in play", right? They don't count for things like Horn of Plenty?

They don't count for HoP, but they can literally be "in play" and it wouldn't matter for HoP because they aren't "cards".
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Re: Previews #3: Blessed Village, Idol, Druid
« Reply #56 on: October 25, 2017, 11:01:18 am »
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because they aren't "cards"

oh gosh not this again
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Re: Previews #3: Blessed Village, Idol, Druid
« Reply #57 on: October 25, 2017, 11:01:38 am »
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Boons are not at all like what I expected.  I feel initially skeptical.

On the other hand, I look forward to the newest category in the Qvist rankings!  Swamp's Gift OP.
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Re: Previews #3: Blessed Village, Idol, Druid
« Reply #58 on: October 25, 2017, 11:05:22 am »
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The relevant Boons just say "keep this until Clean-up" and don't mention anything about "play".
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Re: Previews #3: Blessed Village, Idol, Druid
« Reply #59 on: October 25, 2017, 11:10:04 am »
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As someone who hates the randomness of Black Market, and to a certain extent Knights, I'm pretty skeptical about Boons too. Wisp seems pretty great to me. In a game without trashing, weak trashing, heavy junking, or even before you trash that much, Wisps can be pretty close to Labs. The others are more situational, but most of them seem a lot weaker.

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Re: Previews #3: Blessed Village, Idol, Druid
« Reply #60 on: October 25, 2017, 11:11:11 am »
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You know that phenomenon where a word suddenly starts to sound funny and foreign?

That's 'boon' to me right now.


Boon?


Boooooon.

Boon.
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Re: Previews #3: Blessed Village, Idol, Druid
« Reply #61 on: October 25, 2017, 11:18:40 am »
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I was saying boo-urns.
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Re: Previews #3: Blessed Village, Idol, Druid
« Reply #62 on: October 25, 2017, 11:24:25 am »
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I assume Cursed Village is the same as Blessed Village, but it dishes out hexes instead of boons. If so, games with both blessed villages and cursed villages are going to be great.
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Re: Previews #3: Blessed Village, Idol, Druid
« Reply #63 on: October 25, 2017, 11:34:28 am »
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Well, Druid gives everybody the same 3 so it's not luck.
Agreed. That's why I said:
Hmm. Druid looks awesome, but...

You can also do some Boon deck tracking to help.
That's not necessarily a mitigation. Suppose you're playing a game in which everyone would really like a Will-'o-the-wisp. Nine Boons get pulled from the deck without the Gift of the Swamp turning up. Now you've not only failed to get your Wisp, but the next person also knows they've got a 1 in 3 chance. Your failure improves someone else's chance of success.
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Re: Previews #3: Blessed Village, Idol, Druid
« Reply #64 on: October 25, 2017, 12:04:42 pm »
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Druid is awesome.  +buy is critical to most engines.
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Re: Previews #3: Blessed Village, Idol, Druid
« Reply #65 on: October 25, 2017, 12:42:16 pm »
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Looking at the other 9 boons, we have:

4 that gain (Swamp, Earth, Mountain, Sky)
3 that sift (Sun, Moon, Wind)
3 that draw (Sea, River, Wind)
2 that give money (Forest, Field)
1 that gives an action (Field)
1 that gives a buy (Forest)
1 that trashes (Flame)
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Re: Previews #3: Blessed Village, Idol, Druid
« Reply #66 on: October 25, 2017, 12:50:52 pm »
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I ran into a "negative boon" scenario in my first online game with them.

I had all my cards either in play or in my hand when I received the boon that has you draw two cards and discard two cards.  Since donate was on the board, I had no garbage.  I hadn't started greening yet, so I had to discard two silvers.

On the plus side, I finally gained a Ghost in that game.  It was pretty fun.
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Re: Previews #3: Blessed Village, Idol, Druid
« Reply #67 on: October 25, 2017, 01:12:04 pm »
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So with the Idol are all treasures played at once, but you don't ahve to play all of them?

so if i have 4 Idols do i just play them at the same time and everyone else gets a curse, or do i play them one after another so it's boon curse boon curse?
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Re: Previews #3: Blessed Village, Idol, Druid
« Reply #68 on: October 25, 2017, 01:13:48 pm »
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So with the Idol are all treasures played at once, but you don't ahve to play all of them?

so if i have 4 Idols do i just play them at the same time and everyone else gets a curse, or do i play them one after another so it's boon curse boon curse?

All Treasures are played one at a time, resolving all of the card's effects, before moving on to playing the next treasure. Idol is no exception.
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Re: Previews #3: Blessed Village, Idol, Druid
« Reply #69 on: October 25, 2017, 01:25:03 pm »
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So with the Idol are all treasures played at once, but you don't ahve to play all of them?

so if i have 4 Idols do i just play them at the same time and everyone else gets a curse, or do i play them one after another so it's boon curse boon curse?

The latter. You basically always play treasures one at a time. It just didn't matter prior to Prosperity's kingdom treasures.
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Re: Previews #3: Blessed Village, Idol, Druid
« Reply #70 on: October 25, 2017, 02:29:24 pm »
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I guess the Boons that say "keep this" do so because, instead of giving an immediate, no-need-for-tracking benefit, they do something that matters for later (coins, actions, buys, and delayed draw) and keeping them around acts as a way of tracking what you got.
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Re: Previews #3: Blessed Village, Idol, Druid
« Reply #71 on: October 25, 2017, 02:45:03 pm »
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As someone who hates the randomness of Black Market, and to a certain extent Knights, I'm pretty skeptical about Boons too. Wisp seems pretty great to me. In a game without trashing, weak trashing, heavy junking, or even before you trash that much, Wisps can be pretty close to Labs. The others are more situational, but most of them seem a lot weaker.

True except that Lab is pretty weak in that phase. Unless you have good 2s to draw.

Viewing in vacuum I am pretty meh on this mechanic. Some extra randomness trying to make something interesting but in the end, I don't know, does it worth the extra setup and is there that much extra fun after all?

But I liked the discussion on blessed village. Indeed on gain boon can somewhat change early game.
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Re: Previews #3: Blessed Village, Idol, Druid
« Reply #72 on: October 25, 2017, 02:47:06 pm »
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Here's what the rest of the Boons do:

Mountain’s gift: Gain a silver
Sky’s gift: You may discard 3 cards to gain a gold
Field’s gift: +1 action +$1 (Keep this until cleanup.)
Moon’s gift: Look through your discard pile. You may put a card from it onto your deck.
River’s gift: +1 Card at the end of this turn. (Keep this until cleanup.)
Wind’s gift: +2 Cards Discard 2 cards.
Flame’s gift: You may trash a card from your hand.
Forest’s gift: +1 Buy +$1 (Keep this until cleanup.)
Earth’s gift: You may discard a treasure to gain a card costing up to $4.


Fishing Village produces a Field's Gift???
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Re: Previews #3: Blessed Village, Idol, Druid
« Reply #73 on: October 25, 2017, 04:24:48 pm »
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I suppose a lot of people are trying out the cards online, but I only play IRL so all I can do is speculate.  So here's my serious speculation about the strategy around boons.

Aside from Druid, you can't choose what boons to receive.  So it doesn't seem like Fate cards play any sort of clear role.  You want a trasher, best get a trasher instead of banking on a Fate card that is equally likely to gain you a silver.  You want a gainer, best get a gainer instead of a card that might instead sift.  If there's no other available gainer/trasher/buy, then you're SOL because the Fate card isn't likely to give you the one gift you want.

So when do you want boons?  I'm guessing you want them early on, because most of the effects help you as you build.  But it probably depends on the Fate card (e.g. you want an Idol whenever you want Silver+).

I think there are some Boons you will be happier to see than others.  Flame, Swamp, and Earth seem like the best ones overall.  I think you will rarely be happy to see Sky.
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Re: Previews #3: Blessed Village, Idol, Druid
« Reply #74 on: October 25, 2017, 04:31:20 pm »
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So when do you want boons?

You want Boons when you want the card that hands them out for other reasons.
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