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[Davio]

Hope I don't stir an instant patch, but.....

The 12 chosen cards are Armory, Black Market, Cache, City, Lookout, Oasis, Oracle, Procession, Stash, Torturer, Woodcutter, and Young Witch.

Our bane: Storeroom!

[RTT]

bias auto-match selection towards: alchemy base cornucopia dark-ages hinterlands intrigue promo prosperity seaside

[Davio]

My main question of course: Is it a feature or a bug?

I always thought DA was kept exclusively for Goko, otherwise it would have even less reason to exist...

[RTT]

i just played with shelters and bandit camp but bandit camp did not have a picture just a big ? so maybe its a bug but spoil has a picture.

[RTT]

Maybe its the beginning of the end of isotropic. just like : we give you a taste of dark ages but in 2 weeks you will have to buy it on goko if you want to play dominion . and isotropic goes down ... 

[Davio]

Maybe its the beginning of the end of isotropic. just like : we give you a taste of dark ages but in 2 weeks you will have to buy it on goko if you want to play dominion . and isotropic goes down ... 

Riiiight! Drug dealers always give free samples too! 

Oh and I just had my first "Johnny" experience: Scrying Pools + 2 Bandit Camps + 2 Fortresses + 1 Mercenary. Play 2 BC's for 2 Spoils, trash Fortresses with Mercenary, draw stuff back, $8 again!

[Jimmmmm]

OMG what? Is this good news or bad news? What the hell are Shelters doing on iso??

[Lekkit]

Didn't even notice it until my opponent pointed out that he hadn't played wiht Counterfeit before.

[Awaclus]

OMFG are you fucking kidding me? I saw a dream two days ago that Isotropic had Dark Ages in it.

I'm a Fortune Teller.

[ashersky]

Craziness!  I feel like a noob again!

[Lekkit]

Would be fun if it was just temporary and that when the americans wake up, they are gone.

[Jimmmmm]

OMFG are you fucking kidding me? I saw a dream two days ago that Isotropic had Dark Ages in it.

I'm a Fortune Teller.

I think this is still that dream actually. Yep. We're all in Awaclus' dream. You're going to wake up in the morning super excited because that fancy new expansion Intrigue is coming out.

[ashersky]

I just keep buying Pillage.  Is that good?

[Jimmmmm]

I just keep buying Pillage.  Is that good?

No idea but it's definitely fun!

[Lekkit]

I just keep buying Pillage.  Is that good?

No idea but it's definitely fun!

I disagree. I tend to be on the recieving end, though.

[Jimmmmm]

But it's frikken Dark Ages. On iso. What's not fun about that??

[Lekkit]

I thought we were talking about lots of Pillages...

[Jimmmmm]

Which are in Dark Ages. On iso!!

[ashersky]

Which are in Dark Ages. On iso!!

I just won a game with Vagrant!  I don't know what that means!

[Jimmmmm]

It means you just gave Vagrant an amazing boost on CR.

[Jimmmmm]

Play a Rats game with me!

[Lekkit]

RATS ONLY! FINAL DESTINATION!

[ashersky]

Play a Rats game with me!

Ok!

[Jimmmmm]

You can play too if you hurry. Plenty of Ratses to go round.

[Jimmmmm]

Oh that's awkward we just quit our game so you could play Lekkit, but you started a different game...

[kn1tt3r]

Seems to be isotropic's swan song, sort of a farewell present to the users. Can't think of any other reason. But yeah, nice.

[Davio]

Seems to be isotropic's swan song, sort of a farewell present to the users. Can't think of any other reason. But yeah, nice.

That's quite a logical explanation.

Hmm, can we choose to rollback with preservation of Iso? 

[Squidd]

Maybe the idea is that we'll (temporarily) stop asking for Guilds spoilers (as much).

[Lekkit]

Oh that's awkward we just quit our game so you could play Lekkit, but you started a different game...

Sorry about that. But I need something to do at work.

[Lekkit]

I'm up for a quickie now, though. If anyone is interested. 2/3 player preferably.

[Jimmmmm]

I'm up for it.

[Davio]

I am impressed.

When Sir Martin becomes the top card of the Knights pile it actually switches to the $4 column from the $5 column (in Text mode). When he is bought, it switches back!

For a second I thought the pile was drained and therefore had disappeared, but after looking closely I saw it had moved!

[dougz]

Nothing like checking email in the morning and having an "oh sh*t" moment.  Rollback coming soon to a server near you...

[DStu]

Nothing like checking email in the morning and having an "oh sh*t" moment.  Rollback coming soon to a server near you...

No hurry, take your time...

[Kirian]

Nothing like checking email in the morning and having an "oh sh*t" moment.  Rollback coming soon to a server near you...

Heh.  I thought that might be the case.

[Orange]

Reboot at 14:00 US Eastern time.  Looks like we have 3+ hours with them. 

[Kahryl]

I like how Isotropic is so smoothly programmed that you can *accidentally* release expansions into the public with no hitch.

[dougz]

If only it were that easy.  What happened is that I checked in the change to publish Dark Ages back in August, in hopes that I'd be able to add it, and then of course I wasn't.  The public server hasn't been updated since, like, July or so -- it's been restarted occasionally when I reboot my computer or something, but I haven't pushed new code to it until last night.  I fixed a little JS bug and pushed the tip-of-tree...

[Orange]

How much do we have to pay Doug to take a little internet vacation?  I need more than a few hours of games like this:

The game is over! (Silk Roads, Urchins, and Ruins are all gone.)
Orange has 40 points (8 Silk Roads [16 victory cards], 6 Estates, and a Farmland) and took 29 turns.
Hoam has 39 points (6 Provinces, a Farmland, and an Estate) and took 28 turns.

[Fabian]

Oh what could have been Too late to even get into for me now that it's been like 8 months and it's only available for a few hours. Whatevs.

[Orange]

Looks like the reboot has been rescheduled for 20 minutes from now.   

[Kahryl]

Too bad I'm at work. My first and probably forever only taste of Dark Ages was using one Counterfit, once, on a silver, and ending up using the extra +buy to buy a silver 

[LastFootnote]

This thread really hammers home how many players still refuse to play on Goko. The way you guys are talking, it's like Dark Ages was just released!

I'm not trying to criticize, it's just a little jarring. It's like I've been thrown several months back in time.

[ipofanes]

So the expansion will be drawn from Iso before we have a new Pope.

[Orange]

So the expansion will be drawn from Iso before we have a new Pope.

Ha I'd like to see some black smoke for Goko and some white smoke for isotropic!

[Destierro]

Noooooo.

Nothing like KC KC poor house x 6 with a sir bailey for + buy

[Kahryl]

This thread really hammers home how many players still refuse to play on Goko. The way you guys are talking, it's like Dark Ages was just released!

I'm not trying to criticize, it's just a little jarring. It's like I've been thrown several months back in time.

Yeah, I think for a lot of people the end of Iso will be the end of Dominion for them. The physical game is too cumbersome for my tastes, and Goko has a way too Zynga vibe and I wouldn't be able to play it at work anyway.

[SCSN]

I'm not trying to criticize, it's just a little jarring. It's like I've been thrown several months back in time.

It felt more like several hundred years to me. And they've past already, time flies when you're having fun

[pst]

This thread really hammers home how many players still refuse to play on Goko. The way you guys are talking, it's like Dark Ages was just released!

I'm not trying to criticize, it's just a little jarring. It's like I've been thrown several months back in time.

Playing with Dark Ages for a little while today was like being thrown back to when I started playing here, when there were so many strange cards and everything (except Base) was new. Very refreshing! (Yes, I do have DA cards and have played with them, but not all of them, and only a few times.)

Now I only wish I hadn't wasted some of this precious time by working. :-)

[Fabian]

This thread really hammers home how many players still refuse to play on Goko. The way you guys are talking, it's like Dark Ages was just released!

I'm not trying to criticize, it's just a little jarring. It's like I've been thrown several months back in time.

Yeah, I think for a lot of people the end of Iso will be the end of Dominion for them. The physical game is too cumbersome for my tastes, and Goko has a way too Zynga vibe and I wouldn't be able to play it at work anyway.

No Dark Ages on isotropic has already meant the end of Dominion for me, since several months back. I imagine I'm not alone there, and I'm sure I won't be alone once isotropic goes down.

[DaiVrath]

*sigh* I came in just before the server was reset, so I got nothing :-(

I actually tried Goko for a little while, but I'm not going to pay them to play Dominion when there's an amazing site like Isotropic where I can play easily and quickly.  I play for the game itself, not graphics, goko needs to realize that.  I'd actually be willing to play on their site if it didn't crash and freeze on me, and if it was free.  I'd even be willing to watch an ad between games if that's what it takes to make it free.

[Kirian]

I actually tried Goko for a little while, but I'm not going to pay them to play Dominion when there's an amazing site like Isotropic where I can play easily and quickly.

Isotropic will be disappearing reasonably soon.  Well, Dominion will; Innovation will still be there.

I'd actually be willing to play on their site if it didn't crash and freeze on me, and if it was free.

/sigh

[ackack]

Yeah, I think for a lot of people the end of Iso will be the end of Dominion for them. The physical game is too cumbersome for my tastes, and Goko has a way too Zynga vibe and I wouldn't be able to play it at work anyway.

Yep.

Donald has certainly commented before that people are complaining because they were given something free and then it was taken away from them. That's certainly true, but that leaves out a pretty big aspect of the issue: Donald gets something out of it too. The only reason I know of Dominion and have spent any money on it at all is because of isotropic.

Seen as a purely strategic issue, it's really not clear to me what the best course of action is. Dark Ages exclusivity certainly seems to have drawn some people to Goko; on the other hand, I suspect there are a fair number of people like me who have a sour view of the whole thing that turns them off. Eons ago rspeer made the analogy to Scrabble and Hasbro, which seemed pretty apt, then and now. I guess since so many of the best board and card games are "public domain" (chess, go, backgammon, poker, etc.) that I'm really unused to thinking about board games from an intellectual property perspective and (without any commentary on the correctness of this attitude) it's a pretty big buzzkill when somebody insists on framing it that way.

[thespaceinvader]

Well, it was fun whilst it lasted.

I'd pay for that.  I wouldn't play Goko for free.

[Jestai]

This probably has been asked somewhere else, but why dougz hasn't bought the rights himself, with the help of the community if needed?
I mean, isotropic being free and all is obviously very nice, but I'd be totally willing to pay $50 if it's what it takes to keep this boat afloat and I'm pretty sure I'm not alone.

Anyway, looks like it's too late now. Thanks a lot for the ride!

[Fabian]

Well, it was fun whilst it lasted.

I'd pay for that.  I wouldn't play Goko for free.

Yeah this is what has been stated by a lot of people a lot of times, and it's no different now than it was this time last year or in August when it launched, etc.

[Robz888]

"Millions for Dark Ages on Isotropic, but not one cent for Goko!" - Robert Goodloe Harper, 1798

[ackack]

This probably has been asked somewhere else, but why dougz hasn't bought the rights himself, with the help of the community if needed?

Yes, it has been. dougz is not interested in running a Dominion business, and I believe it was also viewed as important to have the official version look nicer.

[LastFootnote]

This probably has been asked somewhere else, but why dougz hasn't bought the rights himself, with the help of the community if needed?
I mean, isotropic being free and all is obviously very nice, but I'd be totally willing to pay $50 if it's what it takes to keep this boat afloat and I'm pretty sure I'm not alone.

Anyway, looks like it's too late now. Thanks a lot for the ride!

DougZ was offered the job of making the official version and turne it down, IIRC.

[Drab Emordnilap]

Dougz, if you work your black magic to become an official Dominion digital retailer, I will come to your house and Make it Rain(tm) across your body with american paper currency.

[sparky5856]

What I learned from this incident: Procession is a REALLY fun card.

[Davio]

What I learned is that the Dark Ages implementation on Iso is actually pretty darn smooth - considering all the weird new cards - and I'm sad that it's never going to see the light of day (again).

Like I mentioned the Knights pile switches over to $4 once Sir Martin is on top (whether that's good or not I don't care, it's great that it was thought about) and it even says plainly "Knights" once the pile is empty. Hermit and Squire and every other weird interaction I came across worked great and very intuitively.

I didn't know the cards very well, but I could play with them pretty smoothly through the intuitive UI.

[ipofanes]

Procession + Feast = Good Times

[blueblimp]

Darn. So sad I missed likely the only chance ever to play Dark Ages on Iso.

[Drab Emordnilap]

So, did anyone manage to empty the supply on turn 4?

[Axxle]

Would be fun if it was just temporary and that when the americans wake up, they are gone.

I woke up

[Robz888]

Now dougz has killed the dream... I dreamed...

[ehunt]

i saw this thread and was just so happy... and too late. dang.

[greatexpectations]

What I learned is that the Dark Ages implementation on Iso is actually pretty darn smooth - considering all the weird new cards - and I'm sad that it's never going to see the light of day (again).

i find this very impressive and a testament to doug's coding abilities, especially when contrasted with goko. based off of comments made regarding hinterlands (specifically tunnel) doug did not have working knowledge of all of the eventual dominion cards when he created his implementation of dominion. his code was flexible enough to adapt on the fly. it is quite disappointing to me that goko was not able to fully take advantage of having a working knowledge of all cards (at the very least through dark ages it seems) to create a smoother version of the game. as onigame put it, "the original code made assumptions that caused problems later, and at this point it is generally easier to write things that use the existing design rather than redo everything from scratch."

[Axxle]

What I learned is that the Dark Ages implementation on Iso is actually pretty darn smooth - considering all the weird new cards - and I'm sad that it's never going to see the light of day (again).

i find this very impressive and a testament to doug's coding abilities, especially when contrasted with goko. based off of comments made regarding hinterlands (specifically tunnel) doug did not have working knowledge of all of the eventual dominion cards when he created his implementation of dominion. his code was flexible enough to adapt on the fly. it is quite disappointing to me that goko was not able to fully take advantage of having a working knowledge of all cards (at the very least through dark ages it seems) to create a smoother version of the game. as onigame put it, "the original code made assumptions that caused problems later, and at this point it is generally easier to write things that use the existing design rather than redo everything from scratch."

Read a little further on, he basically had shelved changes that he accidentally checked in.

[GendoIkari]

Would be fun if it was just temporary and that when the americans wake up, they are gone.

I woke up

I've never been so sad to be an American.   

[greatexpectations]

Read a little further on, he basically had shelved changes that he accidentally checked in.

i'm not sure what you mean. are you referring to doug or onigame? onigame's comment that i cited was in reference to the goko coders, who apparently made some design errors which came back to bite them. whatever you meant, my comment was just general praise to doug for creating a great working version of the game with less knowledge to work with up front.

[Axxle]

Read a little further on, he basically had shelved changes that he accidentally checked in.

i'm not sure what you mean. are you referring to doug or onigame? onigame's comment that i cited was in reference to the goko coders, who apparently made some design errors which came back to bite them. whatever you meant, my comment was just general praise to doug for creating a great working version of the game with less knowledge to work with up front.

Yeah, I mixed up posts in my head.  Dougz did an excellent job!

[werothegreat]

Did anyone screencap any of the iso icons for Dark Ages cards?  I'd be interested to see.

[Qvist]

The best is Madman. It's the Scream from Edward Munch.

[Robz888]

Yeah, could dougz just like release those images? Would love to see those.

[Lekkit]

That Urchin will give you nightmares...

[Warrior]

I wonder how many forum users will still be active after isotropic shuts down. Thank you dougz for the great time on iso. It would have been smarter to take isotropic and have people pay for it instead of making a totally new interface that "aint got notin' on iso."

Warrior

[dondon151]

Well, crap.

[Drab Emordnilap]

I wonder how many forum users will still be active after isotropic shuts down. Thank you dougz for the great time on iso. It would have been smarter to take isotropic and have people pay for it instead of making a totally new interface that "aint got notin' on iso."

Warrior

dougz was offered the chance to do the official implementation and declined.

[greatexpectations]

dougz was offered the chance to do the official implementation and declined.

sources on this and a bunch of other information is available to those interested on the Isotropic wiki page.

[Morgrim7]

:O

[Morgrim7]

Its gone. And I missed it.

[dougz]

Yeah, could dougz just like release those images? Would love to see those.

Well, I don't see the harm in that.

[Dsell]

Is this going to make those councilroom logs weird?

[Davio]

At least my win rate with some of these cards is 100%!

[Morgrim7]

At least my win rate with some of these cards is 100%!

You're lucky you actually got to play with them.

[Davio]

At least my win rate with some of these cards is 100%!

You're lucky you actually got to play with them.

Yeah, I'm glad the server reset was scheduled for noon in Europe.
Nothing like playing some Dark Ages on Iso during lunch break.
[/elitist]

[IanP]

Humpph

Missed it!

When ISO goes, aw, I so hope not, what am I going to do with all my hours?
I held off buying Dark Agesint he hope that purchasing the cards would allow me to play online... This is not the case, and I'm not going to pay twice - and now I think, I won't be paying once.

[ipofanes]

At least my win rate with some of these cards is 100%!

Not recorded on Councilroom 

[RTT]

Humpph

Missed it!

When ISO goes, aw, I so hope not, what am I going to do with all my hours?
I held off buying Dark Agesint he hope that purchasing the cards would allow me to play online... This is not the case, and I'm not going to pay twice - and now I think, I won't be paying once.

You can also wait for a special offer to get DA for maybe 10$ less and then invest the 7$ for DA cards in goko