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[AdamH]

Might I ask what the discussion for the very first mission is supposed to look like?

Leader: "So who should I put on the mission? Myself and who else?"

Everybody: "Me! I'm [looks up theme word] Loyal! Pick me!"

Leader: "Well that didn't help. Does anyone out there want to admit they're not?"

*crickets*

Leader: "Uhhh... OK, I'll just put myself and one random person on it."

*Everybody votes no*

We repeat this four times and then everybody finally caves and votes yes for the fifth [looks up theme word] Quest.

That way, if we see a stray "yes" vote, we can all speculate whether or not it's Merlin trying to tell us we're doing something right, or a Minion trying to pretend to be Merlin telling us we're doing something right, but we really aren't. Or maybe a Loyal trying to pretend to be Merlin and we don't really know anything!

[pingpongsam]

All we need are 3 stupid missions to win, right? If we vote down every mission we lose, right? Without a passing or failing mission we don't have any information, right?

So, in order to win we need A) to complete missions and B) to obtain information to insure the completion of future missions.
Right?

So, I vote yes because, well, I like the idea of winning.

[jotheonah]

Jo should know better than to propose a mission without talking first, obv vote no.

Might I ask what the discussion for the very first mission is supposed to look like?

Leader: "So who should I put on the mission? Myself and who else?"

Everybody: "Me! I'm [looks up theme word] Loyal! Pick me!"

Leader: "Well that didn't help. Does anyone out there want to admit they're not?"

*crickets*

Leader: "Uhhh... OK, I'll just put myself and one random person on it."

*Everybody votes no*

We repeat this four times and then everybody finally caves and votes yes for the fifth [looks up theme word] Quest.

That way, if we see a stray "yes" vote, we can all speculate whether or not it's Merlin trying to tell us we're doing something right, or a Minion trying to pretend to be Merlin telling us we're doing something right, but we really aren't. Or maybe a Loyal trying to pretend to be Merlin and we don't really know anything!

I wasn't sure if I would have a chance to get online at all today, so I thought it was better to propose out of the blue then hold up the game forever. So sue me.

Proposing missions without discussing first is a fina and useful tool for town.

[Tables]

Sorry about that. But excited to play. I propose Myself and bozzball.

Everyone has 48 hours from this quoted post to submit their votes for the quest. Minions on the quest may submit an order to succeed or fail the quest if it is voted to go ahead, but are not obliged to. Loyal Servants on the quest always succeed the quest, so do not need to submit such orders.

[Tables]

Mission 1.1 proposed by: jotheonah:
Team Proposed: jotheonah, bozzball
Voting YES: jotheonah, pingpongsam, bozzball
Voting NO: Insomniac, Robz888, Qvist, AdamH
Result: Yes - 3, No - 4
Proposal Fails

Leadership passes on to pingpongsam.

[pingpongsam]

Who wants to go on a mission? I intend to send 2 people not including myself so that we may all observe.

[AdamH]

Buy my vote!

[pingpongsam]

I take that to mean you do not wish to be included in this mission, then?

Buy my vote!

[Insomniac]

I'd like to be on the quest

[AdamH]

I'll be voting no for any mission that I'm not on, until some things happen (at least one failed quest, probably more)

[Robz888]

Who wants to go on a mission? I intend to send 2 people not including myself so that we may all observe.

Weird. I'm going to vote against it unless you include me.

[pingpongsam]

Very well, I propose a mission consisting of:

## Mission 1.2 Insomniac and Robz888

[Insomniac]

As you may expect I will be voting yes on this mission.

[Robz888]

Oh great, yay!

[bozzball]

I'm a no.

[jotheonah]

I'll vote yes, actually.

When a third party person nominates two, there's a chance he's a loyal servant and he randomly picked two minions, which could be great if they both fail it. That's like best case scenario for town. A little worse if they both pass it, but still pretty ok for Team Camelot.

[bozzball]

"there's a chance"

Not a very likely chance. As I am a loyal servant, I know that the probability that pps is a loyal servant is 3/6. Given that he is, the probability that ins is a minion is 3/5. Given that he is, the probability that rob is a minion is 2/4. This gives a probability of the scenario you described of 15%.

Now, let's suppose they both flip a fair coin to decide whether to fail the mission. Then the chance of the scenario you described, with them both failing the mission is about 4%.

Not convinced at all.

[AdamH]

As a good-guy, if you suggest two random people that aren't you for a mission, there's a 60% chance that you've put exactly one bad-guy on the mission, which is the worst thing possible. Especially considering that I can't think of a reason a bad-guy would ever pass a quest, since we have three of them and no plot cards.

There's a 20% chance you found two good-guys.

There's a 20% chance you found two bad-guys, which is kind of nice, but exactly one fail is still possible; so this is not a 20% chance of success.

Also, you give up any opportunity you had as leader to learn something from the outcome of the mission by being on it.

If you suggest yourself and someone else for a mission, you have a 50% chance of a guaranteed pass, and that other 50% is way better. Either we get a pass in, or you yourself know who one of the bad-guys is.

This not-so-bad 50% chance is way better than the much-worse (>60%) chance. More than likely, PPS knows this and has some knowledge the rest of us don't, which might make this a much better move than it appears, at least for his team.

HOWEVER

If you are not on this mission, and you are a good-guy, it seems pretty obvious that the odds of anything good happening on this mission are slim. If people not on this mission vote yes for it, I can only assume cast suspicion on them for doing so. Especially if the mission ends up failing.

(sort of ninja'd, but oh well)

[Qvist]

Yeah, the chances are pretty low that all 3 are loyal Servants. So, I think this isn't a good choice. And I don't think one of the spies would propose a team with two loyal Servants in it. Also we want more information, right. So, I'll vote no.

[jotheonah]

you've all convinced me to switch my vote.

[pingpongsam]

So, it is better to let a quest leader directly engineer a team either through foreknowledge or being swayed by public opinion than to place a random team together for observation purposes?

I follow this paradigm for later quests, but for Quest 1 it seems appropriate.

[Tables]

Mission 1.2 proposed by: pingpongsam:
Team Proposed: Insomniac, Robz888
Voting YES: pingpongsam, Insomniac, Robz888
Voting NO: jotheonah, bozzball, Qvist, AdamH
Result: Yes - 3, No - 4
Proposal Fails

Leadership passes to bozzball.

[bozzball]

My instinct is to go with myself and the next person in line. That way if the mission fails, I'll know the next person is a spy, and will get information from his proposal.

Any reason I shouldn't do that?

(See, I'm learning - no proposing without discussing first)

[bozzball]

Propose: bozzball and insomniac

[Qvist]

Oh, I somehow forgot about that game.

My instinct is to go with myself and the next person in line. That way if the mission fails, I'll know the next person is a spy, and will get information from his proposal.

As we're playing without plot cards, this might be a good idea. I tend to voting yes. Any other comments?