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[Captain_Frisk]

Ok, then I can reveal whom I targetted with my second Navigator. It was Robz. I saw that a Spy was played on him, so this makes CF believable too.
And @CF: Like I said. I saw that Dsell was targetted with a Scout. And Robz confirmed that, so I don't understand that why you can't believe that Robz might have 2 Scouts. Also it can be true that he received a Scout as his 5th card and therefore had no other choice.

The only thing we have so far is the joth vs. Dsell thing. I think we should kill Dsell and if he really should be town kill joth tomorrow.
The Morgrim case is strange, but it's hard to get conclusions out of it.

So if outpost does what you say it does, then it is strictly better than throne room?

[Captain_Frisk]

The Morgrim case is strange, but it's hard to get conclusions out of it.

Yeah, this is the nature of morgrim that I was attempting to clear up.

[Qvist]

Ok, then I can reveal whom I targetted with my second Navigator. It was Robz. I saw that a Spy was played on him, so this makes CF believable too.
And @CF: Like I said. I saw that Dsell was targetted with a Scout. And Robz confirmed that, so I don't understand that why you can't believe that Robz might have 2 Scouts. Also it can be true that he received a Scout as his 5th card and therefore had no other choice.

The only thing we have so far is the joth vs. Dsell thing. I think we should kill Dsell and if he really should be town kill joth tomorrow.
The Morgrim case is strange, but it's hard to get conclusions out of it.

So if outpost does what you say it does, then it is strictly better than throne room?

No, it says that I can target two players in the same night, not that I'm able to play a card twice over two turns. That's a difference. So I couldn't target the same player if I wanted to (not that it made sense with Navigator). I think it is a superior card, but not strictly.

[Qvist]

Well, the real secret chamber lets you discard cards for money. Maybe Morgrim ditched all his cards for some kind of benefit.

But it's more likely he was investigation immune.

Either way, that doesn't clear him as town at all.

Why would you play this card as town?

PPS did it.

[Captain_Frisk]

Well, the real secret chamber lets you discard cards for money. Maybe Morgrim ditched all his cards for some kind of benefit.

But it's more likely he was investigation immune.

Either way, that doesn't clear him as town at all.

Why would you play this card as town?

PPS did it.

Only if we assume that secret chamber does what morgrim says it did.  We've already seen some cards cover other cards (sage / rats)

[jotheonah]

If it makes him everything immune (including nightkills), I absolutely would play it as town.

But pps played it and died, so that suddenly seems unlikely. I would say Morgrim looks scummy here. But not as scummy as Dsell.

[jotheonah]

Also, we talked about vigging Morgrim yesterday. I absolutely would have used a self-protection ability if I were him.

[Robz888]

Frisk, I had a hand of 5 cards last night, so I don't know what you're talking about. I only have 4 unique Cards, though.

[Captain_Frisk]

Frisk, I had a hand of 5 cards last night, so I don't know what you're talking about. I only have 4 unique Cards, though.

I am taking the results to indicate the cards remaining in your hand - based on the joth results as well.

I observed you to have 1 scount + 3 other cards.

So we either have to believe that you willingly chose scout twice (and one with your FIRST PICK)

or

Somehow another scout ended up in the discard pile and you're a lying scum who didn't play a card last night.

Neither scenario is especially compelling to me.

[Captain_Frisk]

@DSell, how many cards did RobZ have to pick from when you passed him the scout?

[Robz888]

Frisk, I had a hand of 5 cards last night, so I don't know what you're talking about. I only have 4 unique Cards, though.

I am taking the results to indicate the cards remaining in your hand - based on the joth results as well.

I observed you to have 1 scount + 3 other cards.

So we either have to believe that you willingly chose scout twice (and one with your FIRST PICK)

or

Somehow another scout ended up in the discard pile and you're a lying scum who didn't play a card last night.

Neither scenario is especially compelling to me.

Oh, well Jesus Christ, Frisk. Yes, I have Scout + 3 other Cards. Why on earth is this hard to believe? I did not expect Card strength in this game to correlate to Card strength in real Dominion, really. Did you? I sort of just grabbed willy-nilly, and I thought that MAYBE Scout would be super good, as a sort of ode to my public campaign on the forum to have Scout recognized as the "best" Dominion card.

[Captain_Frisk]

Oh, well Jesus Christ, Frisk. Yes, I have Scout + 3 other Cards. Why on earth is this hard to believe? I did not expect Card strength in this game to correlate to Card strength in real Dominion, really. Did you? I sort of just grabbed willy-nilly, and I thought that MAYBE Scout would be super good, as a sort of ode to my public campaign on the forum to have Scout recognized as the "best" Dominion card.

Language!

One scout, sure.  2?  Especially when you didn't reference having 2 at all when I questioned you.

[Robz888]

Oh, well Jesus Christ, Frisk. Yes, I have Scout + 3 other Cards. Why on earth is this hard to believe? I did not expect Card strength in this game to correlate to Card strength in real Dominion, really. Did you? I sort of just grabbed willy-nilly, and I thought that MAYBE Scout would be super good, as a sort of ode to my public campaign on the forum to have Scout recognized as the "best" Dominion card.

Language!

One scout, sure.  2?  Especially when you didn't reference having 2 at all when I questioned you.

Why not pick two of the Card that everyone thinks is my favorite Card? You should know that roughly 10% of my Isotropic games begin with the other player typing in the chat window: "Sorry, no Scout for you in this game," or "I better watch out, we're playing with Scout!" Shockingly, I'm famous.

[jotheonah]

Frisk, I don't think picking two Scouts is a scum or town tell for Robz. It's null. And I totally believe he did it. I think if he could have drafted a hand of five Scouts, he would have.

[Captain_Frisk]

Frisk, I don't think picking two Scouts is a scum or town tell for Robz. It's null. And I totally believe he did it. I think if he could have drafted a hand of five Scouts, he would have.

I agree, except there's all the other factors. (Targets selected that had already claimed, trying to push for a dsell lynch before we've had a chance to talk, person to his left can only collaborate 1 scout)

[Robz888]

Frisk, I don't think picking two Scouts is a scum or town tell for Robz. It's null. And I totally believe he did it. I think if he could have drafted a hand of five Scouts, he would have.

I agree, except there's all the other factors. (Targets selected that had already claimed, trying to push for a dsell lynch before we've had a chance to talk, person to his left can only collaborate 1 scout)

I also built the shaky case on Dsell yesterday, so for me, it's like all my intuitions are about to be confirmed.

[Captain_Frisk]

Frisk, I don't think picking two Scouts is a scum or town tell for Robz. It's null. And I totally believe he did it. I think if he could have drafted a hand of five Scouts, he would have.

I agree, except there's all the other factors. (Targets selected that had already claimed, trying to push for a dsell lynch before we've had a chance to talk, person to his left can only collaborate 1 scout)

I also built the shaky case on Dsell yesterday, so for me, it's like all my intuitions are about to be confirmed.

I actually think I prefer a DSell lynch today, but I just can't get past this "lets just lynch him and be done with it attitude"

Am I the only one who finds this concerning?

[Robz888]

Frisk, I don't think picking two Scouts is a scum or town tell for Robz. It's null. And I totally believe he did it. I think if he could have drafted a hand of five Scouts, he would have.

I agree, except there's all the other factors. (Targets selected that had already claimed, trying to push for a dsell lynch before we've had a chance to talk, person to his left can only collaborate 1 scout)

I also built the shaky case on Dsell yesterday, so for me, it's like all my intuitions are about to be confirmed.

I actually think I prefer a DSell lynch today, but I just can't get past this "lets just lynch him and be done with it attitude"

Am I the only one who finds this concerning?

What's the point of asking that? Presumably if people shared your concerns, they would voice them. "Can I get away with continuing to make something out of nothing?" is what you're really asking.

[Captain_Frisk]

What's the point of asking that? Presumably if people shared your concerns, they would voice them. "Can I get away with continuing to make something out of nothing?" is what you're really asking.

Why would I want to do that?  I'm just surprised that no-one else is concerned about someone pressuring to lynch in < 24 hours.

I mean - this is so over the top scummy that I can't even believe that you'd do it - and you bussed me Day 1!

[Dsell]

What's the point of asking that? Presumably if people shared your concerns, they would voice them. "Can I get away with continuing to make something out of nothing?" is what you're really asking.

Making something of nothing was the entirety of your case on me yesterday, so the pot calling the kettle black a bit here.

Frisk, Robz had scout and one other choice.

[Captain_Frisk]

@DSell -

Will you claim the order that you drafted your cards in? 

[Dsell]

Yeah, I'm willing if a couple more people think I should.

[Captain_Frisk]

Really, I just want to know if anyone can validate that you have a p-stone in your hand.

Or did you pick it up with your first card?

[Dsell]

It was my first card.

[Captain_Frisk]

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