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[jotheonah]

363 gave me a gut scum read. Bunch of reasons.

1. He intro'd the post with this big "I haven't posted yet so I gotta get into the game" sentiment that felt like posting just to be seen.

2. Then he sort of scolds everyone for voting (at all), which seems like a bid for town cred.

3. And then the last bit has a hint of the bad kind of fishing.

And that's sort of all he does in the whole post.

[Morgrim7]

Sorry guys, I've been gone for a while. Thanksgiving...yeah. Only able to get on for like 5 minutes to say my BM7 was on thanksgiving break, just not enough time.

Anyway...
Ok, whats up with all this card claiming? How could it possibly help us find scum? I don't think I want to claim until somebody gives me a good reason. (now, don't take this as being anti-town, I honestly cant find the reason to claim. Maybe I just stayed up too late and woke up too early.)

And I'm surprised that we are in fact voting. I thought we agreed in not lynching someone tonight.

If we did, I wasn't here. We established in M6 that no lynch is a BAD IDEA.

Dsell, what Eevee said was a typo. Get over it.

After all this, I think I still want to see some more posting before I actually vote.
Scummy:
Qvist, Dsell

[Eevee]

Qvist, it should be pretty clear most of the town did not agree on not lynching.

[Qvist]

Qvist, it should be pretty clear most of the town did not agree on not lynching.

Where did you read that? I base my observation from the conversation around #227-#231.

Qvist quoting me as supporting No Lynch, which I did, but that was before I noticed the Dsell stuff. When I realized I suspected Dsell, I voted for him immediately.

Oh.  Unvote.

The way those quotes were made it look bad.

How? I just quoted.
Of course it was before he "noticed" that. And constructing a case after confirming a No Lynch looks suspicious to me, nothing more.

363 gave me a gut scum read. Bunch of reasons.

1. He intro'd the post with this big "I haven't posted yet so I gotta get into the game" sentiment that felt like posting just to be seen.

Because it is true. I haven't posted much so far, I was busy with several stuff.

3. And then the last bit has a hint of the bad kind of fishing.

I'm not sure if I understood this right, but I have not a lot of experience with Mafia so far and this is the first RM game for me. So I was just asking if it might be good idea to coordinate our night actions!? I didn't propose something specificly. If someone could tell me, it's no good idea because of X or Y, then I'm fine with it. Just curiousity.

And that's sort of all he does in the whole post.

Ok, what do you expect me to do? And you know that there's a second post from me after the Vote Count?

[Captain_Frisk]

After all this, I think I still want to see some more posting before I actually vote.
Scummy:
Qvist, Dsell

I don't understand why we should all be giving you more posting when you aren't present.

[Eevee]

Qvist, it should be pretty clear most of the town did not agree on not lynching.

Where did you read that? I base my observation from the conversation around #227-#231.

Four people (Robz, PPS, ashersky and joth) express their support to no lynch. There are 12 players total, so even if you add yourself to the list and assume no one has changed their mind, it's still less than half of the players. Not everyone has weighed in on this, but I don't see how you can blame someone for wanting a lynch happen. We don't always wind up lynching the first guy to get any votes on either. I still think Morgrim lynch > no lynch.

[Archetype]

Vote Count 1.7:

Qvist (1) -- jotheonah
Dsell (2) -- Robz888, cayvie,
cayvie (1) -- pingpongsam
Morgrim7 (4) -- Galzria, Eevee, Dsell, Captain_Frisk {L-3}

No Lynch (2) -- Young Nick, Qvist

Not Voting (2) -- Morgrim7, ashersky

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 lynch deadline is Saturday, November 24th, at 1:00 AM forum time. (1 Day)

[Robz888]

I guess I'm forgetting about lynch all lurkers, so Vote: Morgrim7

His post makes it clear that he has no idea what is going on (like, a bunch of reasons have been given for why we might No Lynch).

Yeah, voting for Morgrim really isn't much different from voting for No Lynch, because it's not informational whatsoever (no one is exactly on the hook for lynching, or not-lynching, Morgrim). But I guess there's that itty bitty chance he is scum.

Whatever. I would rather lynch Dsell, but I don't think that's happening.

Disclaimer: I'm mostly V/LA until Monday.

[Eevee]

If the chance of morgrim flipping scum is "itty bitty" and the lynch has no informational value, why are you contributing in it Robz?

[Young Nick]

If the chance of morgrim flipping scum is "itty bitty" and the lynch has no informational value, why are you contributing in it Robz?

Because lurking Morgrim is going to suck for town as long as he lives. Regardless of his alignment, we will always be suspicious of him and his inevitable lynch will not provide us with much information, so we might as well get it out of the way.

[Young Nick]

Vote: Morgrim7

[Eevee]

Why are we thinking the chance of him flipping scum is "itty bitty"?

[Captain_Frisk]

unvote

Vote: no lynch


Huge fos robz

[ashersky]

Vote: No Lynch

Agree no town killing tonight, investigate if you have a good scumread on someone, otherwise protect or roleblock if you can.

[ashersky]

Vote: Morgrim7

This put him at L-1 and stinks of scum seeing an easy town lynch and jumping on it.  A no-info town lynch is a dream for mafia.  I'd be willing to vote YN for this if people see what I see.

[Galzria]

I'll vote No Lynch as well. I proposed the idea, it's the least I can do to follow through.

Although, outside of Robz' statement about "itty bitty" chance of Morgrim flipping scum, I would still be willing to discuss his lynch.

[Galzria]

unvote

Vote: no lynch


Huge fos robz

Also: Go Boast.

[Young Nick]

I mean you know I'd be down for a NL. That's where my vote was. It's just that what I said about Morgrim holds true. I would rather do it sooner rather than later.

Having said that, this is no standard game, RM means if he is town we have lost someone whose night actions could help town a lot. For now, vote still stands.

[ashersky]

That's 4 for NL, 3 for Morgrim.

[Archetype]

Vote Count 1.8:

Qvist (1) -- jotheonah
Dsell (1) -- cayvie,
cayvie (1) -- pingpongsam
Morgrim7 (4) --  Eevee, Dsell, Robz888, Young Nick {L-3}

No Lynch (4) -- Qvist, Captain_Frisk, ashersky, Galzria {L-3}

Not Voting (1) -- Morgrim7

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 lynch deadline is Saturday, November 24th, at 1:00 AM forum time. (17 2! hours)

[Dsell]

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 lynch deadline is Saturday, November 24th, at 1:00 AM forum time. (17 hours)

I think that should be 1 PM forum time? Otherwise it's like 2 hours, not 17...

Anyway I agree with Y_N that a Morgrim lynch will not yield information so it's better to do it now rather than when we really really need an informational lynch. I realize it's role madness so there may be a chance for people to get an investigation on him but I wonder if that investigation is better used elsewhere. Maybe not. I believe it's better than no lynch but I'm not gonna be too distraught if no lynch happens.

[Archetype]

With 12 alive it takes 7 to lynch. Day 1 lynch deadline is Saturday, November 24th, at 1:00 AM forum time. (17 hours)

I think that should be 1 PM forum time? Otherwise it's like 2 hours, not 17...

You're right! Was thinking PM...

2 Hours left!

[jotheonah]

Vote: No Lynch

We could always vig Morgrim tonight.

[Dsell]

Vote: No Lynch

We could always vig Morgrim tonight.

Are you being serious? Because you were the strongest advocate of absolutely not vigging no matter what.

[jotheonah]

I'm not sure that's accurate. I do think the situation YN described re: Morgrim is one of the best situations to use a vig power in, though. But perhaps not tonight. (Phone posting, so less verbose than usual.)