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[yuma]

Well I am going to change my vote tovote: ashersky.

I prefer it over either the eevee or jot lynch at this point.

[TheMunch]

I don't know what the vote count is. Just landed and on my phone.  But while flying with the case on ash growing.  If we mislynch today which we can do without losing.  That leaves us with 4 town and 3 scum.  DO NOT VOTE EARLY IN THE DAY.  I don't want this game to fall to the same fate as blitz 5.  I knew there isn't day chat but I wouldn't run it past scum to set up a system to hammer from L3.

[ashersky]

Also, the lurker lynch thing will continue to discriminate against those of us living outside the majority time zones of everyone else.  I am contributing reads, and votes.  Nothing else I can do in my role here.

Just providing reads and votes isn't enough.

You aren't asking questions. You aren't getting involved in discussion. You aren't probing, quoting and analyzing and trying to flesh out scum. So either you are scum just sitting back and hoping town explodes (it is a good strategy and one that I often employ) or you are town and not quite doing enough.

And I do understand the timezone thing is hard. It most certainly is. I often have a hard time having a back and forth dialogue with people because I am not on at the same time as others and am often not on nearly as much, but still... Just reads and votes isn't enough.

(as an aside, I don't want to make you mad, or make you feel like you have to spend all this time on mafia just to play and be a good player. You don't. But if you are wondering what you can do to be less of a lurker, that is my answer, probe, ask questions even if no one else is around, give opinions on statement, etc.)

Here is my biggest question, really.  Why is Frisk getting such a pass this game?  He's quite a scum player (7 times!!) and knows how to lead his team to win.   He's proposing crazy, crazy, crazy ideas like "let's all just lynch x, y, z, and l in order and win!" and I am the only one calling him on it.

Can I just list some people and suggest we all lynch them?  Will that work for you to believe I am town?  Will someone please look closely at this??

[yuma]

Well the thing is that I have done basically the same thing, but haven't gone outright and said it.

I have town reads on TheMunch, Axxle, Voltgloss and to an extent eevee

so that leaves (Qvist, ashersky, jot, captain frisk) if I can eliminate 1 from this list then there you go.

Directing town isn't necessarily a scumtrait, it can also be a very protown trait, but it is one that is hard to interpret. At least not without relevant flips.

[ashersky]

Well the thing is that I have done basically the same thing, but haven't gone outright and said it.

I have town reads on TheMunch, Axxle, Voltgloss and to an extent eevee

so that leaves (Qvist, ashersky, jot, captain frisk) if I can eliminate 1 from this list then there you go.

Directing town isn't necessarily a scumtrait, it can also be a very protown trait, but it is one that is hard to interpret. At least not without relevant flips.

Frisk's flip would certainly be relevant.

[TheMunch]

Well the thing is that I have done basically the same thing, but haven't gone outright and said it.

I have town reads on TheMunch, Axxle, Voltgloss and to an extent eevee

so that leaves (Qvist, ashersky, jot, captain frisk) if I can eliminate 1 from this list then there you go.

Directing town isn't necessarily a scumtrait, it can also be a very protown trait, but it is one that is hard to interpret. At least not without relevant flips.

Frisk's flip would certainly be relevant.

I'm not sure about frisk specifically but if there is a chance that the person we lynch is town then we better be able to find at least one other scum for sure so scum doesn't hammer from L3.  I would much rather lynch scum today as this would make things much better for town.  Problem is there are so many people that are sure they have found different scum....

[Eevee]

Lets play a game:

@ everyone in this list.
{joth, axxle, eevee, ashersky, voltgloss}

Provide your top 2 scum reads and the 1 person you would bet the game is town inside that set of 5 people.

You chose a set of people with no town reads of mine. Joth and Ash are obviously my top scum reads, could see any of the other three being scum really. Gun to my head I'm picking Volt, but I don't feel good about the reason for that read. And again, I do have town reads, you just didnt include them in that list (except for myself).

[Eevee]

Volt, do you have any particular reason for thinking me vs joth was town on town? You explained your town read on me already, but at I didnt catch what makes you think joth is town.


Everyone, what do you make of the fact I was all but on my way to the lynching block and now all of a sudden everyone is listing me as their top town read of the five Frisk was asking about? To me it sounds like scum saw an opportunity to mislynch me because of my strong stance on yuma didnt appeal to a lot of people, but now is turning around, maybe because I've accused the right people and they don't want my flip validating my reads (hopeful/vain) or maybe because they feel they couldnt get enough townies behind the lynch.

I tried to ask joth if he thinks it's possible I'm town, he didnt answer. ashersky was repeating that he has thought I'm town all the time, which reads slightly scummy to me (like he is now proud of it because it's the read he'd want to have). I don't know if this is getting anywhere, but I strongly feel scum is expressing town reads on me at the moment.

[Insomniac]

Vote Count 2-8

Yuma (1) - TheMunch
Eevee (2) - Jotheonah, QVist
Jotheonah (2) - Eevee, Axxle
Ashersky (2) - Captain_Frisk, Yuma
Captain_Frisk (1) - Ashersky

Not Voting (1) - Voltgloss

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch

Deadline: November 26 2012, Noon PST

[Eevee]

I do acknowledge Frisk could definitely be scum here. I've though about it, usually the scum team has at least one guy who me/everyone thinks is playing really towny, and Frisk is indeed good at taking that role as scum as well. However, I disagree he is our best bet at finding scum today. It's just something we need to remember, he is not obvtown or anything like that despite all that leading.

[jotheonah]

Lets play a game:

@ everyone in this list.
{joth, axxle, eevee, ashersky, voltgloss}

Provide your top 2 scum reads and the 1 person you would bet the game is town inside that set of 5 people.

Still catching up, but SCUM: Eevee, ashersky
Town: Voltgloss

[Qvist]

12. TheMunch - bad theory is unlikely to be scum

This leaves the scum team as 3 out of {joth, axxle, eevee, ashersky, voltgloss}

Munch, you are asking Ash all these questions, why is 'what do you think of eevee vs joth' not one of them?

I can field this one:

TheMunch / Ashersky / Joth scum trio!

Just noticed this. So what? Is TheMunch scum or not?

[jotheonah]

@Eevee.

Of course it's possible. As a town player, I don't know anyone's alignment for certain. But you're certainty reads scummy to me.

And now, back to my family. I'm quite V/LA-y this weekend. On the offchance that I hit L-1, kindly resist the temptation to hammer before I check in.

[TheMunch]

12. TheMunch - bad theory is unlikely to be scum

This leaves the scum team as 3 out of {joth, axxle, eevee, ashersky, voltgloss}

Munch, you are asking Ash all these questions, why is 'what do you think of eevee vs joth' not one of them?

I can field this one:

TheMunch / Ashersky / Joth scum trio!

Just noticed this. So what? Is TheMunch scum or not?

I think CF had just caught my "scumslip" so he was convinced I was scum for a bit.  I paid it no mind.

[Eevee]

I read that as a joke. When someone calls a scum trio without giving any explanations is usually not meant to be taken seriously.

[Voltgloss]

Is that everyone responding to Frisk's "game?"

Frisk, what are your thoughts therefrom?

[Captain_Frisk]

My thoughts are that I haven't read them, but I did enjoy thanksgiving?

[Qvist]

I read that as a joke. When someone calls a scum trio without giving any explanations is usually not meant to be taken seriously.

Really? I mean, does anyone else think so the same? It just seems so weird, like a mistake.

My thoughts are that I haven't read them, but I did enjoy thanksgiving?

? I don't understand that. What haven't you read? And I can't tell you if you did enjoy thanksgiving. I'm confused. i guess this was just Off-Topic.

[Qvist]

Nevermind, you responded to Voltgloss, and you meant with "them" the responses. Alright. Forget it.

[yuma]

Well the thing is that I have done basically the same thing, but haven't gone outright and said it.

I have town reads on TheMunch, Axxle, Voltgloss and to an extent eevee

so that leaves (Qvist, ashersky, jot, captain frisk) if I can eliminate 1 from this list then there you go.

Directing town isn't necessarily a scumtrait, it can also be a very protown trait, but it is one that is hard to interpret. At least not without relevant flips.

Frisk's flip would certainly be relevant.

so would yours, so would mine

[TheMunch]

Well the thing is that I have done basically the same thing, but haven't gone outright and said it.

I have town reads on TheMunch, Axxle, Voltgloss and to an extent eevee

so that leaves (Qvist, ashersky, jot, captain frisk) if I can eliminate 1 from this list then there you go.

Directing town isn't necessarily a scumtrait, it can also be a very protown trait, but it is one that is hard to interpret. At least not without relevant flips.

Frisk's flip would certainly be relevant.

so would yours, so would mine

So would mine?  The more than I think about it, with the situation I posted (the L-3 hammer), we dont need information, we need to be right.  Pushing a lynch for information (something I'm usually 100% behind) is not necessarily something we can afford right now.  It makes the pusher seem more scummy for opportunistically pushing.  I'm going to unvote.  I just realized I'm the only person still on Yuma, not that that matters, but I am feeling less and less confident about my reads as this day continues for forever.

[yuma]

Well the thing is that I have done basically the same thing, but haven't gone outright and said it.

I have town reads on TheMunch, Axxle, Voltgloss and to an extent eevee

so that leaves (Qvist, ashersky, jot, captain frisk) if I can eliminate 1 from this list then there you go.

Directing town isn't necessarily a scumtrait, it can also be a very protown trait, but it is one that is hard to interpret. At least not without relevant flips.

Frisk's flip would certainly be relevant.

so would yours, so would mine

So would mine?  The more than I think about it, with the situation I posted (the L-3 hammer), we dont need information, we need to be right.  Pushing a lynch for information (something I'm usually 100% behind) is not necessarily something we can afford right now.  It makes the pusher seem more scummy for opportunistically pushing.  I'm going to unvote.  I just realized I'm the only person still on Yuma, not that that matters, but I am feeling less and less confident about my reads as this day continues for forever.

exactly. almost any lynch will provide information. It will obviously provide that person's alignment. It will provide interactions between that person and those voting for him, it will provide interactions between that person and those not voting for him. We can see who that person suspected and who that person voted for. So, yes, we will get information from any lynch, but information alone shouldn't be the reason to lynch.

[Qvist]

Yeah, we definitely need to be right with our kill today. But if I'm not mistaken there's no lynch at all at the end of the day if we can't find an agreement.
And that would be pretty bad, right? So we should find consensus.

[TheMunch]

Yeah, we definitely need to be right with our kill today. But if I'm not mistaken there's no lynch at all at the end of the day if we can't find an agreement.
And that would be pretty bad, right? So we should find consensus.

We have till monday.

[Captain_Frisk]

The results of the game... in graphic form.