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[Captain_Frisk]

There was one on PAGE 16 (and since all that has happened is eevee voting)

I'm very needy.

[Qvist]

I just don't know what to say and I really don't want to change my vote because beside of CF I only got no read or weak reads so far.
So let's post my reads so far:

CF - Mafia
ashersky, eevee, TheMunch - a little bit scummy
Voltgloss, jtotheonah, Axxle - no read
yuma - probably town

So I definitely won't vote for yuma.

[Eevee]

So Qvist, do you think I would be taking such controversial positions regarding town-yuma if I was scum?

[Axxle]

I see you are on, Axxle.  Any further thoughts since your reread last night?

I'll do more reading this afternoon.  I ended up with other obligations last night.

[Insomniac]

Vote Count 2-3

Captain_Frisk (1) - QVist
Jotheonah (1) - Axxle, Eevee
Ashersky (1) - yuma
yuma (3) - Voltgloss, jotheonah, TheMunch
Eevee (1) - Captain_Frisk


Not Voting (1) - ashersky

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch

[TheMunch]

Insom: It would be nice if you also posted days to lynch in your vote count posts.

On topic, nothing anyone has done has changed any of my reads.  I would love a yuma lynch but if an eevee wagon would pick up speed, he has done enough scummy things that are independent of his relationship/defense of yuma that I would be comfortable lynching him too.  I would love both lynches.  Will kill the one that more people are on which right now is Yuma.

[ashersky]

Nothing overnight has changed my reads anywhere. 

Vote: Yuma

That's L-1.

[yuma]

Nothing overnight has changed my reads anywhere. 

Vote: Yuma

That's L-1.

well I guess it is going to come down to C_Frisk then... Qvist, Eevee, Axxle have expressed that they think I am town (correctly). I am not going to vote for myself, obviously. So unless one of the above changes their mind, it will depend on what Frisk thinks.

And you do realize that the discussion that was supposed to happen when you unvoted me hasn't yet happened... I think volt is still wanting to hear more from Axxle. But whatever....

[ashersky]

And you do realize that the discussion that was supposed to happen when you unvoted me hasn't yet happened... I think volt is still wanting to hear more from Axxle. But whatever....

unvote

You are right about this.  I'm tempted to vote Axxle for lurking at this point.  Ugh.  At least scum didn't quickhammer.

[Voltgloss]

Correct.  I want to hear everyone's thoughts on the case against yuma, and everyone has weighed in on the case so far except Axxle.

[yuma]

Correct.  I want to hear everyone's thoughts on the case against yuma, and everyone has weighed in on the case so far except Axxle.

I am also curious to hear, your specifically thoughts on other players beside just me. If you want to wait until after Axxle posts his thoughts on me, that is fine, but if I am to be lynched, I would like to hear it before then... as a last dying wish

[Captain_Frisk]

Ok - time to kickstart this mother

The Galzwagon
Captain_Frisk, eHunt, Galzria, Jotheonah, TheMunch, Yuma

Off the wagon
QVist, Axxle, Eevee, Voltgloss, ashersky

We have 3 scum - so 4 permutations

A: 3 on the wagon (lynch on the wagon would hit scum with 75%, lynch off the wagon would hit with 0%)
B: 2 on the wagon, 1 off (50%, 20%)
C: 1 on the wagon, 2 off (25%, 40%)
D: 3 off the wagon, (0%, 60%)

My gut says that the night kill of eHunt indicates that more scum were off the wagon than on it, since you're inherently scummier for attempting to lynch non-mafia, so I suspect permutation C or D.

Thus, I'm taking a harder look at:
QVist, Axxle, Eevee, Voltgloss, ashersky

QVist
22 posts thus far.  Day 1 he random voted for a bunch of folks (i think 5), but not eHunt or Galz.  He's been tunnelling on me day 2.  His control of English seems much stronger on day 2.  Townread because I don't see new scum being so free with votes on day 1 and risk pissing people off.

Axxle
23 posts thus far.  #141 reads like picking on ashersky to me, which I consider to be akin to morgrim hunting.
#180, #181 pick on me for good reason (not seeing that ensuring that the SK knew optimal strategy made sense - but I just mistakenly assumed that random flipping was obv. best strategy for SK).  His post count is average, but his content is very weak.  Many of his posts are one liners with no content.  (See 197, 198, or #163 - my favorite).  If it were deadline and I had the hammer, i'd hit it.

Eevee
Now i can talk about how Eevee is my former scum buddy (see RMM3), so I've seen firsthand his scumplay, and I've been in games where he's been town.

#94 - Defending galz from rvs attack
votes joth for no reason - claims it isn't rvs
#142 - defending ehunt despite no pressure (#149)
#268 - posts WTF after thread lock

Did not participate in theory talk on day 1.  When he posts, it was primarily to defend people (aka making friends - one with confirmed townie).  I'm thinking: Scumeevee.

Day 2: #288 - starts buddying me.  #298 - buddies yuma
#324/325 - Telling us to slow down.  0 town points for this, because its obvious protown.  I've done the same thing (as scum)

#354: no suspects... light fos on joth and qvist

#386 - starts fighting with the munch - who thinks he's found a scum trio
#389 - thinks munch is town - wants to lynch him anyway

#402 - says we should look @ joth / qvist / axxle / asher.  Makes sense because he's already cleared half the players (me, yuma, munch, himself)  the only person not mentioned here is voltgloss.

Voltgloss / Grujah
Grujah said nothing meaningful.  Volt has pushed hard for a yuma lynch.  Has been active scumhunting.

Ashersky
#189 accuses me of deflecting to Galz - which is straight up false (since I had already been pushing on Galz since RVS)
#272 - drops a way late vote well past thread lock
#287 - tries to start up my wagon
yuma calls him out on this craziness in #296
#314 - gives up on my wagon - joins yuma's

If I had to pick a scumteam here, it would be eevee + ashersky, probably with a joth kicker - but picking scumteams is stupid.

I'm happy with my vote.  Go reread eevee from the perspective of scum trying not to ruffle feathers and suck up to town.

[ashersky]

Ok - time to kickstart this mother

The Galzwagon
Captain_Frisk, eHunt, Galzria, Jotheonah, TheMunch, Yuma

Off the wagon
QVist, Axxle, Eevee, Voltgloss, ashersky

We have 3 scum - so 4 permutations

A: 3 on the wagon (lynch on the wagon would hit scum with 75%, lynch off the wagon would hit with 0%)
B: 2 on the wagon, 1 off (50%, 20%)
C: 1 on the wagon, 2 off (25%, 40%)
D: 3 off the wagon, (0%, 60%)

My gut says that the night kill of eHunt indicates that more scum were off the wagon than on it, since you're inherently scummier for attempting to lynch non-mafia, so I suspect permutation C or D.

Thus, I'm taking a harder look at:
QVist, Axxle, Eevee, Voltgloss, ashersky

QVist
22 posts thus far.  Day 1 he random voted for a bunch of folks (i think 5), but not eHunt or Galz.  He's been tunnelling on me day 2.  His control of English seems much stronger on day 2.  Townread because I don't see new scum being so free with votes on day 1 and risk pissing people off.

Axxle
23 posts thus far.  #141 reads like picking on ashersky to me, which I consider to be akin to morgrim hunting.
#180, #181 pick on me for good reason (not seeing that ensuring that the SK knew optimal strategy made sense - but I just mistakenly assumed that random flipping was obv. best strategy for SK).  His post count is average, but his content is very weak.  Many of his posts are one liners with no content.  (See 197, 198, or #163 - my favorite).  If it were deadline and I had the hammer, i'd hit it.

Eevee
Now i can talk about how Eevee is my former scum buddy (see RMM3), so I've seen firsthand his scumplay, and I've been in games where he's been town.

#94 - Defending galz from rvs attack
votes joth for no reason - claims it isn't rvs
#142 - defending ehunt despite no pressure (#149)
#268 - posts WTF after thread lock

Did not participate in theory talk on day 1.  When he posts, it was primarily to defend people (aka making friends - one with confirmed townie).  I'm thinking: Scumeevee.

Day 2: #288 - starts buddying me.  #298 - buddies yuma
#324/325 - Telling us to slow down.  0 town points for this, because its obvious protown.  I've done the same thing (as scum)

#354: no suspects... light fos on joth and qvist

#386 - starts fighting with the munch - who thinks he's found a scum trio
#389 - thinks munch is town - wants to lynch him anyway

#402 - says we should look @ joth / qvist / axxle / asher.  Makes sense because he's already cleared half the players (me, yuma, munch, himself)  the only person not mentioned here is voltgloss.

Voltgloss / Grujah
Grujah said nothing meaningful.  Volt has pushed hard for a yuma lynch.  Has been active scumhunting.

Ashersky
#189 accuses me of deflecting to Galz - which is straight up false (since I had already been pushing on Galz since RVS)
#272 - drops a way late vote well past thread lock
#287 - tries to start up my wagon
yuma calls him out on this craziness in #296
#314 - gives up on my wagon - joins yuma's

If I had to pick a scumteam here, it would be eevee + ashersky, probably with a joth kicker - but picking scumteams is stupid.

I'm happy with my vote.  Go reread eevee from the perspective of scum trying not to ruffle feathers and suck up to town.

Why are Munch and yuma clear?  Why is joth mafia?

[Axxle]

Reading... reading... lalalalalala...

Side note: I am really really really really really really really really really really really really.... *gasp* really really really really really really really really really really really really surprised I haven't been targeted that much yet.  Are our classic "lynch all lurker" players not in this game?  I don't remember who they are off the top of my head. I'm thinking if we have anyone that do that as town and they aren't doing so now, I think that would be a nice place to find mafia.  They're probably too scared to go for the "easy lynch".

[Captain_Frisk]

ash, did you even read my post?

[ashersky]

ash, did you even read my post?

Yes, you decided option 3 or 4 made the most sense, so at most only 1 scum on the wagon.  So you focused off-wagon, which is fine.  BUT!  You decided of the on-wagon folks, joth was the likely scum.  No reasoning for that, or why it wouldn't be Munch or Yuma.

So yes, I read it, and the answer to my questions weren't there.

[Eevee]

I feel like whatever I say or do is twisted to it pointing at me being mafia. Galzria was talking about this elsewhere, I guess that's how it is after you flip scum the first time.

Frisk, your entire case against me can be explained away with one simple sentence: I'm always like that as town too.

And I certainly don't want to lynch Munch if he is town, I was just pointing out he needs to not be boneheaded and stubborn for town to have a chance in this game.

This is really frustrating, I'm taking comfort in the fact that some of you guys aren't being unfair but rather are mafia and see me as an easy mislynch.

[Captain_Frisk]

Eevee. You are currently at l-4. Do you want to claim?

[Eevee]

Eevee. You are currently at l-4. Do you want to claim?

Lol. Not particularly.Why do you ask?

[Captain_Frisk]

Eevee. You are currently at l-4. Do you want to claim?

Lol. Not particularly.Why do you ask?

Because your acting like everyone thinks you are scum and citing for you m, when it's really just crazy old frisk

[Captain_Frisk]

Citing equals voting.

[Eevee]

Eevee. You are currently at l-4. Do you want to claim?

Lol. Not particularly.Why do you ask?

Because your acting like everyone thinks you are scum and citing for you m, when it's really just crazy old frisk

And Munch and no other cases are being presented. Maybe I'm paranoid but I feel everyone else is silently agreeing with your case, and really it's not a nice feeling to have all the lynch alternatives being ones I really don't like.

[TheMunch]

I feel like whatever I say or do is twisted to it pointing at me being mafia. Galzria was talking about this elsewhere, I guess that's how it is after you flip scum the first time.

Frisk, your entire case against me can be explained away with one simple sentence: I'm always like that as town too.

And I certainly don't want to lynch Munch if he is town, I was just pointing out he needs to not be boneheaded and stubborn for town to have a chance in this game.

This is really frustrating, I'm taking comfort in the fact that some of you guys aren't being unfair but rather are mafia and see me as an easy mislynch.

As I analyze my own cases on all of you, yuma, and Qvist, I cant help but feel they are all CHALK FULL of confirmation bias.  I keep reassuring myself that some of things you've done are actually scummy and I have the right of things.  But confirmation bias is a thing and I am wary of it.  Vote stays on Yuma.

[Eevee]

Munch has said he likes the case against me just as much, but is voting yuma because that lynch is more viable at the moment (paraphrasing).

[TheMunch]

Eevee. You are currently at l-4. Do you want to claim?

Lol. Not particularly.Why do you ask?

Because your acting like everyone thinks you are scum and citing for you m, when it's really just crazy old frisk

And Munch and no other cases are being presented. Maybe I'm paranoid but I feel everyone else is silently agreeing with your case, and really it's not a nice feeling to have all the lynch alternatives being ones I really don't like.

I know the feeling.  See Me vs Ehal in XI.  I def felt like cause Ehal was convince he found mafia in me and he was so vocal about it, with no one else saying anything everyone had to agree with him and think I was mafia too.  I drove me to be overly defensive and in my opinion was most of the reason I got to the point where I was in danger of getting lynched.  Unfortunately I think that this defensiveness and perception of "everyone silently agreeing" is a scum trait.  Or at least a power role, but I'm leaning towards overly defensive paranoia being scummy.

PPE: Eevee has the right of it.  There are a bunch of things that I find scummy on both eevee and Yuma but yeah I'm def putting my vote on which every has the most traction.  As I type this I realize it might be a terrible idea because then if I am wrong about either yuma or eevee then mafia can basically count e as a free vote on whichever is the myslynch... I'm gonna go think about this some more.  Keeping vote on Yuma.